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Can Diet Help Stop Depression and Violence?

New research suggests that certain supplements and foods can help curb prison violence and increase academic performance in troubled students. Yet the effect of nutrition on psychological health and behavior is still controversial.
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The best way to curb aggression in prisons? Longer jail terms, maybe, or stricter security measures? How about more sports and exercise? Try fish oil. How can children enhance their learning abilities at school? A well-balanced diet and safe, stimulating classrooms are essential, but fish oil can provide an important extra boost. Is there a simple, natural way to improve mood and ward off depression? Yoga and meditation are great, but -- you guessed it -- fish oil can also help do the trick.

A diet rich in vitamins, minerals and fatty acids like omega-3 is the basis for physical well-being. Everybody knows that. But research increasingly suggests that these same ingredients are crucial to psychological health too. And that's a fact a lot of people seem to find hard to swallow.

The relationship between nutrition and aggression is a case in point. In 2002, Bernard Gesch, a physiologist at Oxford University, investigated the effects of nutritional supplements on inmates in British prisons. Working with 231 detainees for four months, Gesch gave half the group of men, ages 18 to 21, multivitamin, mineral and fatty-acid supplements with meals. The other half received placebos.

During the study, Gesch observed that minor infractions of prison rules fell by 26 percent among men given the supplements, while rule-breaking behaviour in the placebo group barely budged. The research showed more dramatic results for aggressive behaviour. Incidents of violence among the group taking supplements dropped 37 percent, while the behaviour of the other prisoners did not change.

Gesch's findings were recently replicated in the Netherlands, where researchers at Radboud University in Nijmegen conducted a similar study for the Dutch National Agency of Correctional Institutions. Of the 221 inmates, ages 18 to 25, who participated in the Dutch study, 116 were given daily supplements containing vitamins, minerals and omega-3 for one to three months. The other 105 received placebos. Reports of violence and aggression declined by 34 percent among the group given supplements; at the s;ame time, such reports among the placebo group rose 13 percent.

Gesch is quick to emphasize that nutritional supplements are not magic bullets against aggression, and that these studies are just "promising evidence" of the link between nutrition and behaviour. "It is not suggested that nutrition is the only explanation of antisocial behaviour," he says, "only that it might form a significant part."

But Gesch is just as quick to emphasize that there is no down side to better nutrition, and in prisons in particular, the cost of an improved diet would be a fraction of the cost of other ways of addressing the problem of violence among inmates.

Still, the menu in British prisons hasn't changed in the five years since Gesch published his results, even though the former chief inspector of prisons in the UK, Lord Ramsbotham, told the British newspaper The Guardian last year that he is now "absolutely convinced that there is a direct link between diet and antisocial behaviour, both that bad diet causes bad behaviour and that good diet prevents it."

Yet the effect of nutrition on psychological health and behaviour is still controversial, at least in part because it is so hard to study. Our moods, emotions and actions are influenced by so many factors: everything from our genes to our communities to our personal relationships. How can the role of diet be isolated among all these competing influences? That's exactly why Gesch conducted his study in prisons. In a prison, there are far fewer variables, since all detainees have the same routine. Do the results of the inmate trials reach beyond the prison walls? Gesch thinks so: "If it works in prisons, it should work in the community and the society at large. If it works in the UK and in the Netherlands, it should work in the rest of the world."

Another place improved nutrition seems to be working is in the city of Durham in northeastern England. There, Alex Richardson, a physiologist at Oxford University, conducted a study at 12 local primary schools. The research examined 117 children ages 5 to 12, all of whom were of average ability but were underachieving.

Instructors suspected dyspraxia, a condition that interferes with co-ordination and motor skills and is thought to affect at least 5 percent of British children. Possible signs of dyspraxia may include having trouble tying shoelaces or maintaining balance, for example. The condition frequently overlaps with dyslexia and attention deficit hyperactive disorder (ADHD), and is part of a range of conditions that include autistic-spectrum disorders.

Half the group of children in Richardson's study was given an omega-3 supplement for three months; the other half received an olive oil placebo. The results: Children given the omega-3 supplements did substantially better at school than those in the control group. When it came to spelling, for example, the omega-3 group performed twice as well as expected, whereas the control group continued to fall behind.

Richardson came to the study of nutrition through neurology. Her interest was sparked by the rapid rise of conditions like ADHD, autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. The incidence of these disorders has increased fourfold in the past 15 to 20 years. "These disorders overlap considerably," she says, "but a real solution is rarely offered. A dyslexic child is assigned a special teacher. A kid with dyspraxia is sent to a physical therapist. One with ADHD is prescribed Ritalin. And you've got to learn to live with autism."

But as Richardson writes in They Are What You Feed Them: "There is always something that can be done. Don't ever believe it if anyone tells you otherwise." One of the things that can be done, according to Richardson, is to boost your child's intake of omega-3.

Of course, Omega-3 is not the only answer to ADHD, autism, dyslexia, dyspraxia or other psychological or behavioural disorders, which also include Alzheimer's disease. Studies like Richardson's suggest, however, that it may play an important role in stimulating the brain, keeping it healthy and helping it ward off debilitating conditions.

And it looks like we need all the help we can get. Behavioural dysfuntions like ADHD are currently the fastest-growing type of disorder worldwide. Twenty years ago, no one had even heard of ADHD. Today, everyone knows a kid who is taking Ritalin.

The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the number of people with psychological disorders will double by 2020 -- and that around that time, depression will surpass heart and vascular disease as the No. 1 most preventable cause of death. The WHO adds that psychological disorders account for four of the 10 most common causes of disability and that a quarter of the general population will be affected by them at some point in their lives.

Diet could well play a central role in all this. The quality -- and quantity -- of the food we eat has increased dramatically over the past century or so. But we are eating more and more processed foods, which contain less and less of the essential minerals, vitamins and fatty acids that appear to be so crucial for mental health. Tomato juice, for example, contains 64 percent less vitamin C, 49 percent less carotene and 17 percent less niacin than a fresh tomato.

Gesch says we "seem to have made unprecedented changes to human diets in recent years with little or no systematic evaluation of the effects on our brain or behaviour." He wants to reverse "high-calorie malnutrition" by encouraging nutritionists, physicians and educators to concentrate not just on calorie intake but on the consumption of nutritional components like vitamins, minerals and fatty acids as well.

In our distant evolutionary past, we all had much more varied diets. Research among native tribes in remote areas suggests that our hunter-gatherer forebears consumed between 100 and 150 different types of plants during the course of a year.

Nowadays, our grain consumption is heavily dominated by wheat. Soy oil accounts for more than 80 percent of the fat Americans consume. Health authorities recommend a minimum of 400 grams (14 ounces) of vegetables and fruit each day, but lots of people don't even come close to that. And even those who do eat lots of fruit and vegetables often don't get the full nutritional benefit because intensive farming has depleted the soil of key minerals.

So what's a consumer to do? Eat fish. Working with the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), American physician and psychiatrist Joseph Hibbeln compared data on fish consumption with figures on depression and murder in a large number of countries around the world. Fish are a rich and ready source of omega-3. In countries in which fish consumption is low, Hibbeln found the likelihood of suffering from depression was up to 50 times greater than in countries where it is high.

Some 6.5 percent of New Zealanders suffers from severe depression; these citizens also eat very little fish. In Japan, where fish consumption is high, 0.1 percent of the population suffers from depression. Manic depression (bipolar disorder) is rare in Iceland, which has the highest per capita fish consumption in the world, but is quite common in Brazil and Germany, where people don't eat as much fish. Hibbeln also found that, on average, the risk of being murdered is 30 times greater in countries where fish consumption is low compared to countries where it is high.

Cultural and other factors certainly influence these statistics, but the comparisons are nevertheless illustrative. Overall, in subsequent trials, Hibbeln found that depressive and aggressive feelings diminished by about 50 percent after taking fish-oil capsules for two to four weeks.

Based on this and other research, the WHO concluded in a report last year: "Certain dietary choices, including fish consumption, balanced intake of micronutrients and a good nutritional status overall, also have been associated with reduced rates of violent behaviour."

How can something like omega-3 have such an impact on behaviour and psychological health? Communication between the nerve cells in the brain depends on the circulation of neurotransmitters, such as serotonin and dopamine. Low serotonin levels are associated with an increased risk of suicide, depression and violent behaviour.

Omega-3, a long, flexible molecule, appears to facilitate the circulation of neurotransmitters like serotonin in the brain, thus boosting communication among nerve cells. And nerve cells that talk a lot with each other make new connections in the brain, a process crucial for learning. Less flexible fatty acids than omega-3, though, do not as efficiently support the chatter.

Hibbeln's work has shown that the brain tissue of Americans is different from that of the Japanese. American cell membranes contain much higher levels of the less flexible omega-6 fatty acids; Japanese cell membranes are significantly richer in omega-3. Processed foods happen to be rich in omega-6, and Americans eat a lot of them. These omega-6 fatty acids seem to have displaced the omega-3 fatty acids found so abundantly in fish, of which the Japanese are so fond.

Other studies have found that depressed patients and children with ADHD and autism are deficient in omega-3. So some scientists speculate that this change in the fatty acids contained within our brains could be causing the modern rise in psychological disorders.

Although more and more research underlines the importance of nutrition for psychological wellness, these findings have not been widely translated into action. "Politicians, policymakers and business leaders keep asking for more research involving thousands of people, like the trials done for every new drug," Richardson complains. "But I say, We have done the uncontrolled experiments now [in the general population] for quite some time." Pharmaceutical firms have few incentives to organize their own studies, since omega-3 is derived primarily from fish oil -- and you can't patent fish.

This frustrates many scientists in the field. "Do we want to wait for more studies that confirm these findings, or do we want to do something today about the level of crime and aggression in our societies?" asks Stephen Schoenthaler, a sociologist at California State University at Stanislaus, in Turlock, California, who has studied the link between food and behaviour for the past 25 years and led several studies among prisoners and schoolchildren showing the social benefits of a healthier diet.

It's not all good news, though. Consumers should watch out for manufacturers that make exaggerated claims about these nutritional supplements. "Never use supplements as a substitute for a good diet," counsels Richardson. "The key thing that most people seem to have forgotten is that food is not just fuel, it is nourishment. Food is not just a source of energy that one can consume on the run. A healthy diet needs to provide a minimum of essential nutrients in a dosage recommended for daily use."

A multivitamin and mineral supplement is a good "insurance policy," Richardson says, and 500 mg of omega-3 every day is not a bad idea either. But buyer beware: Not all supplements are good supplements, so seek the advice of a qualified professional before deciding which supplement, if any, is right for you.

It almost sounds too good to be true, but research is beginning to confirm that vitamins, minerals and fatty acids can reduce aggression and improve psychological well-being. That could be a simple recipe for a more peaceful world.
Jurriaan Kamp is a the co-founder and editor of Ode magazine.
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The use of nutrition to treat delinquincy goes back decades
Posted by: brianct on Aug 28, 2007 12:12 AM   
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'New research suggests that certain supplements and foods can help curb prison violence and increase academic performance in troubled students. Yet the effect of nutrition on psychological health and behavior is still controversial. '

why is this controversial? When it was discovered decades ago by people like Ben Feingold and Alexander Schauss? Because Nutrition to treat illness is seen as quackery by the wretched medical profession, which would prefer to have us all on prescription drugs from Big Pharma.
http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/attention_deficit.htm
http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/articles/webach.shtml

Just google on Schauss or Feingold and delinquency

So long as the agnostics are in charge, so will this notion that diet affects behavior need to be rediscovered again and again.

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Controversial only according to the drug companies and their paid puppies...
Posted by: jparsons on Aug 28, 2007 12:45 AM   
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As well as the previous poster's references, check out http://drmcdougall.com/med_depression.html

Anyone interested in diet's profound impact on health should have a serious look both at Dr McDougall and Dr T Colin Campbell. (http://www.vegsource.com/event/campbell.htm)

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Fish for all!!!
Posted by: polyquat50 on Aug 28, 2007 12:56 AM   
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Where is it to come from? Fish stocks are already depleted in many of the world's fisheries. There are environmental problems associated with fish farms in open water, even though there have been large improvements in recent years. There simply isn't enough fish to go round if we all start eating it regularly, not that all of us can afford it anyway.

The link between nutrition and health should be obvious. The link between food and violence is a little more difficult - but just ask my kids what I'm like when I drink tea!

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What about...
Posted by: chomsky on Aug 28, 2007 1:49 AM   
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What about the the origin of these "Depression and Violence"?
Giving a nice meal to a slave won't change the fact that he feels like a slave.
I am personaly depressed by what I see hapening everyday in the world. And my life is far better than a lot of people.
So, nutrition won't change anything.
Ignoring all these events and putting your head in the sand won't either.
People can pretend to be happy in this crazy world; I can't and don't want to.
So, to get rid of depression; you can either lie to yourself or wait/act for a better world.

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Tried it
Posted by: emgscot51 on Aug 28, 2007 3:40 AM   
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Since conventional anti-depressants don't work or make me worse, I tried the food approach to ending depression. High carb with no alcohol, caffeine, dairy, red meat or gluten. All that happened is that I got fat which made me unhappy as well as depressed. If it works for you, though, good luck to you.

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But, where have all the fish gone
Posted by: ddmffood on Aug 28, 2007 4:27 AM   
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Eat more fish. Well, from a nutritional standpoint, that's probably a great idea. However, the fish stock in the ocean is being rapidly depleated and polutants are helping to provide fish that are not only rich in omega-3 but also mercury. It's a catch22. What shall we do. Well, first, THERE ARE TOO MANY OF US. Zero population growth would help us to provide more food of better quality for everyone.

And, by the way, my son, who is bi-polar with aggressive tendencies, is on a vitamin and mineral regimen, and I believe it is helping.

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Guards Need it Too
Posted by: Urstrly on Aug 28, 2007 4:42 AM   
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I've seen meals in a couple of county jails, and they were like food on a really cheap airline. On a good day, they might get fast food from McDonald's. Or a scrambled egg sandwich. Or premade pancakes. Or beans and sausage. So it comes as no surprise to me that diet might contribute to bad behavior. I dare say many people in our prisons have never had a decent diet, not to mention the guards who watch them. Any program to improve the diet of prisoners should extend to everyone in the correctional system. Too bad we can't enforce it in state legislatures; that's where those punitive budgets get dreamed up in the first place.

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Depression and violence...
Posted by: Smartcookie on Aug 28, 2007 5:01 AM   
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... come more from a lack of fulfilling life and stress.

The truth is modern society is a cage for us. We put our kids into school straight away with other kids and only 1 teacher available per class of 30+, and they are essentially raised by their peers.

Big reasons:

1. Traumatic home life (religious parents, abuse, academic pressure, poor familial relations, generation gaps)
2. Shitty school life (Bullying, academic pressure, poor social relations)
3. Job/Higher education/life stress that comes with the inability to resist stress because of what happened with the first two.

Diet may play some part in mood regulation but it's more about human needs. Getting regular sex, love, companionship, having a good social circle and social skills to buffer against lifes hardships.

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What is prison for?
Posted by: drmflorida on Aug 28, 2007 5:40 AM   
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> Still, the menu in British prisons hasn't
> changed in the five years since Gesch
> published his results, even though the
> former chief inspector of prisons in the
> UK, Lord Ramsbotham, told the British
> newspaper The Guardian last year that
> he is now "absolutely convinced that
> there is a direct link between diet and
> antisocial behaviour, both that bad
> diet causes bad behaviour and that
> good diet prevents it."

Of course! Why would he want to stop the gladiator games he is in charge of? Next thing you know we'll expect him to discourage the endemic rape so deliciously encouraged in our enlightened 'justice' systems.

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Nutrition isn't a "miracle drug"
Posted by: hagwind on Aug 28, 2007 6:11 AM   
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The main question here isn't whether nutrition and food intake affect mood, health, and energy level -- sure they do, though they don't affect all individuals in the same way, and their effects are powerfully influenced by the circumstances of our lives. The more important question is about using nutrition as a panacea, and with test subjects whose control over their lives is minimal. Food faddery is so out of control in this society that I'm skeptical whenever some medico or research team "discovers" a new cure-all and then gets funding or a book contract to promote it. Over the years I've come to believe that eating "good" foods A, B, and C and giving up "bad" foods X, Y, and Z is less important than listening to your body and learning what works best for you -- which includes not only what you eat but when. (Me, if I don't eat a solid breakfast I'm ravenous by midday, and if I eat a big sit-down meal at conventional suppertime I'm usually lethargic in the morning. This schedule wouldn't work at all for some of my friends.) So do these prisoners get any choice about what they eat and at what time of day? And are the researchers taking into account that perhaps depression and violence are, at least in part, a totally human, "natural" response to incarceration?

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The Completely Nutrition less Diet!
Posted by: williameon on Aug 28, 2007 6:31 AM   
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In this fake society.
Where we let a Cor‘pirates’ ruin everything
They have ruined our diet also.
For
Greed!
There is no accountability
They know that poor diet, pollutants and stress causes disease.
What is, is.
That’s the way
That’s the way
On Ha!
They like it.
Sick people make them happy and rich.
Raking in huge profits for the
AMA
Pharmaceuticals
And
Faux Food Companies.
It’s so easy to make and completely nutrition less also!
The Nutrition less diet!
Boxes filled with fullers and poison,
Never meant to be eaten by man!

Read the label!
In this situation less is more.
The shorter the list of ingredients
The better it is!
In fact fresh fruits, vegetables and foods without any labels are best of all!
Extra Virgin Olive Oil
Flax Seed Oil.
Brown rice.
Stone Ground Flour
Whole Grains
Rolled oats.
Dried fruits and nuts.
These are all Manna.
Food of the Gods!

The Corpirates want sick ignorant peons.
To pillage and plunder.

Where’s the Information?
Where’s the BEEF?
That:
Hydrogenated oils
High Fructose Corn syrup
And
Overly refined White flour
Are
POISON.
Clogging the minds, bodies and arteries of our friends.

Nobody seems to know why our country
Is being over run with
FAT people.
Child hood diabetes is epidemic!
Kindergartens are Fat farms!
People are literally eating themselves to death
Looking for the Nutrients,
For a healthy life.
Inside every fat person is a skinny person,
Starving to death.
Eating garbage!

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Vegetarianism and Nonviolence
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 28, 2007 6:40 AM   
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Linnaeus, who introduced binomial nomenclature (naming plants and animals according to their physical structure) wrote: "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of other animals shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food."

The myth that humans are naturally a predator species remains popular: "The beast of prey is the highest form of active life," wrote Nazi philosopher Oswald Spengler in 1931. "It represents a mode of living which requires the extreme degree of the necessity of fighting, conquering, annihilating, and self-assertion. The human race ranks highly because it belongs to the class of beasts of prey. Therefore we find in man the tactics of life proper to a bold, cunning beast of prey. He lives engaged in aggression, killing, and annihilation. He wants to be master in as much as he exists."

That predators exist in the wild does not imply man must imitate them. Cannibalism and rape also occur in nature. Robert Louis Stevenson, in his book In the South Seas, found no difference between the "civilized" Europeans and the "savages" of the Cannibal Islands:

"We consume the carcasses of creatures with like appetites, passions, and organs as our own. We feed on babes, though not our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear."

Studies indicate flesh-eaters have less endurance than vegetarians, while vegetarians have 2 to 3 times more stamina and recover 5 times more quickly from exhaustion. Most kinds of cancer, as well as heart disease, osteoporosis, kidney disease, diabetes, hemorrhoids, arthritis, gallstones and gallbladder disease are all preventable and/or treatable on a vegetarian diet.

The ill effects of alcohol, nicotine, etc. are known. The FBI reports 60 to 75 percent of all violent crime is alcohol-related. Might there not be a similar relationship between diet and aggression?

In a letter to a friend on the subject of vegetarianism, Albert Einstein wrote, "besides agreeing with your aims for aesthetic and moral reasons, it is my view that a vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind."

U Nu, former Prime Minister of Burma, similarly observed: "World peace, or any other kind of peace, depends greatly on the attitude of the mind. Vegetarianism can bring about the right mental attitude for peace...it holds forth a better way of life, which, if practiced universally, can lead to a better, more just, and more peaceful community of nations."

"Who loves this terrible thing called war?" asked Isadora Duncan. "Probably the meat-eaters, having killed, feel the need to kill...The butcher with his bloody apron incites bloodshed, murder. Why not? From cutting the throat of a young calf to cutting the throats of our brothers and sisters is but a step. While we ourselves are living graves of murdered animals, how can we expect any ideal conditions on the earth?"

"I personally believe," wrote Isaac Bashevis Singer, "that as long as human beings will go on shedding the blood of animals, there will never be any peace. There is only one little step from killing animals to creating gas chambers a' la Hitler and concentration camps a' la Stalin--all such deeds are done in the name of 'social justice.' There will be no justice as long as man will stand with a knife or with a gun and destroy those who are weaker than he is."

The way we treat animals indicates how we treat our fellow humans. One Soviet study, published in Ogonyok, found that over 87% of a group of violent criminals had, as children, burned, hanged, or stabbed domestic animals. In our own country, a study by Dr. Stephen Kellert of Yale found that children who abuse animals have a much higher likelihood of becoming violent criminals.

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Where do fish get their Omega-3?
Posted by: ecofriendlynet on Aug 28, 2007 8:00 AM   
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Dan Piraro, of Bizarro.com and the cartoon panel, recently wrote an article for VegNews. In this article, a Q&A of sorts, he made a snappy (but accurate) point regarding essential fatty acids:

Question: Fish have essential Omega-3 fatty acids. You can't live without those, can you?

Answer: I was worried about that too, until I read a tell-all expose by a fish, which divulged the age-old trade secret of where they get their Omega-3s. From eating sea plants.

By the way flax seeds and oil as well as hemp seeds and oil work too. Walnuts too!

Flax seeds and walnuts are not your only choices, of course! One cup's worth of soybeans, navy beans, or kidney beans provides between 200 and 1,000 milligrams of omega 3s (0.2 to 1.0 grams). A four-ounce serving of tofu will provide about 0.4 grams of omega 3s. Therefore, these foods provide between 10% and 50% of the National Institutes of Health recommendation, and a substantial step up from the average U.S. adult intake. (whfoods.org)

Veg sources give the "finger" to commercial fishing, which has destroyed about 40-70% of the ocean life and is screwing the environment. So stick it to the "Man" and go veg!

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The fly in the fish oil
Posted by: sausage on Aug 28, 2007 8:53 AM   
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Most omega-3 fish oil consumed in North America comes from a little known though important fish, the menhaden. The menhaden is , or was, common along North America's of many Atlantic Coast from Nova Scotia to Florida, and was the favorite food many fish species humans consider more palatable.

That's not to say the menhaden didn't play a role in the nation's history. Native Americans used menhaden as a fertilizer for their crops and this knowledge was passed on, or stolen, to European colonists. And that was about all the menhaden was ever used for until Malcolm Glazer discovered the health benefits of omega-3 fatty acids.

Glazer, best known as the owner of the NFL Tampa Bay Bucanneers and the UK's pro-soccer Manchester United teams, is the major stockholder of Omega Protein which is the major manufacturer of fish oil-based omega-3. Glazer controls Omega Protein through another of his holdings which may sound familiar to Alternet readers: Zapata Oil.

The menhaden fishery is in collapse up and down the Eastern Seaboard. Writes H. Bruce Franklin, John Cotton Dana Professor of English and American Studies at Rutgers University in Newark and author of The Most Important Fish in the Sea: Menhaden and America:"..[F]rom 1993 until 2004, no significant schools of adult menhaden were observed north of Cape Cod. As awareness grew of menhaden’s importance to the dwindling stocks of Atlantic food and game fish, state after state banned the reduction fishery from its waters. Today the only Atlantic states that still allow it are North Carolina and Virginia."

Long story short, omega-3 derived from the menhaden is leading to ecological disaster and the loss of fisheries important for both the sport fisherman and the commercial fishery.

I have personally stopped taking fish-oil derived omega-3 suppliments and have switched to flaxseed oil omega-3 suppliments.

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Food is a political issue-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 28, 2007 8:56 AM   
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Good healthy food. A profit based system like ours-makes money selling UNhealthy food.

Prisons are full of political prisoners. Would good food help calm violent behavior? It could. But it can not treat the cause.

For example-- Most child abusers were themselves abused as children. While improved nutrition may very well help--Prevention-- to cure the disease of abuse- is what is really necessary. That means placing We The People -and our health and education and environment and good food -and a fair and just system-ahead of profits.

EAT THE RICH

What this country needs is Revolution.

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What about...
Posted by: mountainmama on Aug 28, 2007 9:15 AM   
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Your comments clearly show your state of mind and thinking. As a person who has suffered depression a good portion of my life, I can tell you what I have learned...that getting your mind in a better state, like using Fish Oil, can allow you to direct your thoughts and actions in a more positive direction. It's not about denying the existance of all the world's problems, which are endless, it's about how to deal with them in every day life. Being in the state of mind you currently are, you cannot do as much to help make changes. When you are able to get into a better state of mind, you are more able to help make those changes in a positive way. It truely IS how you allow yourself or choose to think of things. I've learned this myself and it has changed my life for the better....inspite of the shitty world situation...which I do not hide from!

Wallowing never allows you to get much of anywhere.

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the menu hasn't changed
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 28, 2007 9:48 AM   
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the menu hasn't changed because violence is what's on the menu! They want prisoners to fight each other. They want their arses locked away for as long as possible. Because that means they make more money...

Nutrition, on the other hand, well, that costs more money! So why would they want to spend more money just to reduce their income? Only when you think in terms of the corporate bottom line does the prison system make any sense.

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See the movie supersize if you want proof of diet and depression
Posted by: jgdewey on Aug 28, 2007 10:15 AM   
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This happy, healthy guy ate only at MacDonalds for a month. He was almost dead by the end. Addicted to the food, depressed, liver shot, overweight and yes again very depressed.
In the movie they also commented on a group of juvenile troublemakers put on a diet of veggies and fruits and protein. They pretty much all became calmer and more focused and could concentrate. They were happier.
Of course it isn't a cure all, nothing is, but it's a good start. Clean out the body with periodic fasting, eat lots and lots of fruits and veggies, high fiber, and exercise. It'll help. Add to that prayer and meditiation and you're on your way to feeling better about most things. Why, cause what's going on in the world the craziness, the overwhelming stupidity, doesn't have to keep you from finding happiness. It's inside you, not outside. Not matter what's going on, there is a place inside where joy and peace can be found, and a healthy body is the icing on the cake.

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Give some fish oil to Michael Vick!
Posted by: jimidee on Aug 28, 2007 10:58 AM   
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It may mello his ass out some while he is in the joint. He is one mean mo'fo'.

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Interesting!
Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 28, 2007 11:18 AM   
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I have read that weight loss, especially rapid weight loss, can cause depression. The Spartans were a society that hated fat and kept their population lean through group meals and ridicule. While bellicose, they were also culturally backward. All they really were good at was making war. Hmmmm! Maybe that is why our government has become an obnoxious weight nag! Better to conquer the world for Bushco!!!!!

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Rev.Dr.Jude Arnold
Posted by: drjudearnold on Aug 28, 2007 12:11 PM   
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Food for Thought - a book report by Dr. Jude Arnold

http://users.ritternet.com/jarnold/fft2.html

Food for Thought - A New Look at Food and Behavior written by Dr.'s of Psychology, Saul and Joanne Miller published in 1979 by Prentice-Hall, New Jersey.

How the right foods can help you reduce stress, increase strength, prevent disease, achieve sexual satisfaction and feel centered in mind and body.

The food we eat affects what we think, say and do.

FOOD = ENERGY = BEHAVIOR

4 major factors influencing behavior: (1-3 affect 4)

1. constitution - inherited
2. conditioning - learned
3. external environment - confronting situation and demands
4. internal environment - electrochemical impulses

Nothing has greater control over our biochemistry than food.

www.drjudearnold.com

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EFAs
Posted by: cpesprit on Aug 28, 2007 12:39 PM   
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..I have been taking these for years.
Thye also keep me looking younger - I KNOW, since I stopped one Summer..

ALSO - this reminds me of when my friend from Paris came to visit.
We went to the Grocery store & he looked at the Ingredients and said "CHEMICALS"!!!!
TRUE!

I had no food Sensitivities when visiting France!

Now - US Corporations are trying to FORCE the EU into Genetically Modified food productiuon/consumption (a la Monsanto!) - I am sure that the GM foods here (60% of what we grow- UNLABELLED) are causing allergies, not to mention the PAINS they are causing the non-factory farmers GLOBALLY! ..Yes, Monsanto is patenting their GM seeds, which Naturally spread into other farmers fields.....!!!!! The SUeING (?) Framers when their seeds show the GM genes..

The Japanes say "we will watch the US children for 10 years, then decide whether to implement GM crops"!!!!

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flax, hemp, and primrose!
Posted by: lewru7 on Aug 28, 2007 1:18 PM   
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I really, really wish the author had mentioned the environmental problems inherent in recommending mass fish oil use. Flax, hemp, and primrose oils also contain the omegas (3 and 6) and provide a much more sustainable solution.

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Why is everything about what we eat?
Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Aug 28, 2007 2:29 PM   
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I cannot fathom our culture's obsession with diet. Sure, America is the only place in the world where you can witness, an obese baby or child, but I'm not trying to ridicule the parents. But while we are the fattest nation in the world, I'd also say we are the laziest. We would rather drive the two blocks from our manicured lawns and picket fenced McMansions in our gas guzzling SUV's to go to the corner store than to walk. Instant coffee, instant food are just a couple of products that have surfaced over the years claiming that they will give us that immediate gratification our culture has grown to expect as normal in our society of excess.

That has unfortunately spilled over to the pharmaceutical companies who develop and market these antidepressants (among other drugs). They market their miracle pills even though certain medications have been linked to teen suicide. Not only is this bad from a humanitarian standpoint, but it also reflects a much larger problem in our over-medicated culture.

Sure, diet may help curb depression, but the best way is to get moving. Aerobic exercise has been cited in numerous studies to reduce the symptoms of depression in mild to severe cases, as well as manic-depression. Google "depression" and "aerobic exercise" and I'm sure that you will also run into a plethora of information concerning the subject, but if you want to be lazy (j/k), I have provided some links to studies and information below:

Aerobic Exercise Lifts Depression in Treatment-Resistant Patients
Exercise for Depression and Bipolar Disorder
Connection of antidepressants and family annihilation

Unfortunately for our society, the misconception seems to be that the body, and mind work independently of one another, so we continue to shovel junk into our bodies, as well as the bodies of our children. The really unfortunate thing is that when we do develop some health problem, that we are also quick to shovel some miracle drug down our throats. While the FDA should be keeping us safe from the harmful nature of some of these drugs, the sad reality is that the agency has fallen victim to politics and the bureaucracy that it is a part of.

Just run a quick Google search for the news surrounding the lawsuits pending about the painkiller Oxycontin, whose makers alleged that it was less addictive than morphine. Apparantly, there is a story about other deadly pharmaceuticals in the Health and Wellness section of this website as well.
The FDA wants you dead

Here's my philosophy on their pills.
Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source. And know that no medication is without side-effects.

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Leads and Beads
Posted by: talkville on Aug 29, 2007 1:52 AM   
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The lead to this article 'promised' information about depression (first) and violence (second) - a series. The 1st page dealt with aggression and efforts to study and research its manifestations and possible ways to cure it. Praise-worthy goals -- especially in a political-economy which places strong positive value on aggressive behavior in social relations -- Wall Street and Sports and Washington D.C. are presented to us essentially as 'blood-sports'; the 'strongest' win (and survive) and the 'weakest' exist and die.

The question regarding 'depression' is a bit more complicated. What precisely are the objectives of so much interest and research into that condition called 'depression'? Why must it 'be stopped' and to what purposes? I only put this question in this manner because it has been in my opinion become urgent to consider carefully and much more deeply the questions about why this "abnormal", "terrible", "negative", "un-wanted", "undesirable" condition which bears the name "depression" is an object of obsessive interest, particularly in our own specific circumstances. What really happens to an individual when he or she devotes (look up the verb, it's thinkable!) un-ceasing energy (another great word!) to effort, 'working hard', 'success', 'perfection', 'purity' and any number of other "positive" (exclusively positive) pursuits?

After the marathon, both the 'winners' and 'the losers' will collapse (in one form or another) in either exhaustion, fatigue, or (indeed!) in most of the other descriptions found about "Depression" in Psychologist, Psychiatrist, Biological, Physiologist, Neurologist, etc. manuals. That would be depression and it would be natural and expected. The word "marathon" has very many levels of reference. So whence the surprise?

So, once again, why exactly are we interested in pumping drugs, additives, ideas, etc into our bodies to prevent this condition? It's a natural response to capitalism and the 'values' it represents. Well, this post has 'burned me out' -- i'll leave whoever reads it to their own concerns.

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Are we looking for a "magic pill?"
Posted by: ld7440 on Aug 29, 2007 9:44 AM   
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It's a no-brainer that we are what we eat, and that poor nutrition can impact behavior. This is nothing new. It's also not new that scientists think that they can find a "magic pill" that can "cure" depression and violent behavior. These two conditions are both different and too complex to be solved by the addition of a single ingredient. Although I'm all for improving nutrition in the U.S. by eliminating processed foods, eating whole grains and vegetables, and using food supplements where needed, this will clearly not happen any time soon unless there's a more level playing field (e.g. good jobs, good health care and an available healthy food supply). And eating fish is not the only option. Flax seed oil is a wonderful supply for fatty acids; overfishing is already threatening our fish supply.

There are no "magic pills" - certainly not anything that Big Pharma can patent. God knows our prison population could use a better diet, but so could everyone else - our children, our seniors - everyone. And I don't see any solutions being made for how we're going to do that.

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Keep Your Eye on The Ball-Nutritionional Theories Divert Our Attention
Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 30, 2007 5:14 PM   
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I found these dietary hypotheses interesting but they should not divert us from the root causes of criminal behaviors which can be found in dysfuntional families, poverty, joblessness,fear of joblessness, and hopelessness.

Medicalizing social problems is a huge mistake

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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The use of nutrition to treat delinquincy goes back decades
Posted by: brianct on Aug 28, 2007 12:12 AM   
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'New research suggests that certain supplements and foods can help curb prison violence and increase academic performance in troubled students. Yet the effect of nutrition on psychological health and behavior is still controversial. '

why is this controversial? When it was discovered decades ago by people like Ben Feingold and Alexander Schauss? Because Nutrition to treat illness is seen as quackery by the wretched medical profession, which would prefer to have us all on prescription drugs from Big Pharma.
http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/attention_deficit.htm
http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/articles/webach.shtml

Just google on Schauss or Feingold and delinquency

So long as the agnostics are in charge, so will this notion that diet affects behavior need to be rediscovered again and again.

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Controversial only according to the drug companies and their paid puppies...
Posted by: jparsons on Aug 28, 2007 12:45 AM   
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As well as the previous poster's references, check out http://drmcdougall.com/med_depression.html

Anyone interested in diet's profound impact on health should have a serious look both at Dr McDougall and Dr T Colin Campbell. (http://www.vegsource.com/event/campbell.htm)

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Fish for all!!!
Posted by: polyquat50 on Aug 28, 2007 12:56 AM   
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Where is it to come from? Fish stocks are already depleted in many of the world's fisheries. There are environmental problems associated with fish farms in open water, even though there have been large improvements in recent years. There simply isn't enough fish to go round if we all start eating it regularly, not that all of us can afford it anyway.

The link between nutrition and health should be obvious. The link between food and violence is a little more difficult - but just ask my kids what I'm like when I drink tea!

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What about...
Posted by: chomsky on Aug 28, 2007 1:49 AM   
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What about the the origin of these "Depression and Violence"?
Giving a nice meal to a slave won't change the fact that he feels like a slave.
I am personaly depressed by what I see hapening everyday in the world. And my life is far better than a lot of people.
So, nutrition won't change anything.
Ignoring all these events and putting your head in the sand won't either.
People can pretend to be happy in this crazy world; I can't and don't want to.
So, to get rid of depression; you can either lie to yourself or wait/act for a better world.

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Tried it
Posted by: emgscot51 on Aug 28, 2007 3:40 AM   
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Since conventional anti-depressants don't work or make me worse, I tried the food approach to ending depression. High carb with no alcohol, caffeine, dairy, red meat or gluten. All that happened is that I got fat which made me unhappy as well as depressed. If it works for you, though, good luck to you.

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But, where have all the fish gone
Posted by: ddmffood on Aug 28, 2007 4:27 AM   
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Eat more fish. Well, from a nutritional standpoint, that's probably a great idea. However, the fish stock in the ocean is being rapidly depleated and polutants are helping to provide fish that are not only rich in omega-3 but also mercury. It's a catch22. What shall we do. Well, first, THERE ARE TOO MANY OF US. Zero population growth would help us to provide more food of better quality for everyone.

And, by the way, my son, who is bi-polar with aggressive tendencies, is on a vitamin and mineral regimen, and I believe it is helping.

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Guards Need it Too
Posted by: Urstrly on Aug 28, 2007 4:42 AM   
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I've seen meals in a couple of county jails, and they were like food on a really cheap airline. On a good day, they might get fast food from McDonald's. Or a scrambled egg sandwich. Or premade pancakes. Or beans and sausage. So it comes as no surprise to me that diet might contribute to bad behavior. I dare say many people in our prisons have never had a decent diet, not to mention the guards who watch them. Any program to improve the diet of prisoners should extend to everyone in the correctional system. Too bad we can't enforce it in state legislatures; that's where those punitive budgets get dreamed up in the first place.

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Depression and violence...
Posted by: Smartcookie on Aug 28, 2007 5:01 AM   
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... come more from a lack of fulfilling life and stress.

The truth is modern society is a cage for us. We put our kids into school straight away with other kids and only 1 teacher available per class of 30+, and they are essentially raised by their peers.

Big reasons:

1. Traumatic home life (religious parents, abuse, academic pressure, poor familial relations, generation gaps)
2. Shitty school life (Bullying, academic pressure, poor social relations)
3. Job/Higher education/life stress that comes with the inability to resist stress because of what happened with the first two.

Diet may play some part in mood regulation but it's more about human needs. Getting regular sex, love, companionship, having a good social circle and social skills to buffer against lifes hardships.

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What is prison for?
Posted by: drmflorida on Aug 28, 2007 5:40 AM   
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> Still, the menu in British prisons hasn't
> changed in the five years since Gesch
> published his results, even though the
> former chief inspector of prisons in the
> UK, Lord Ramsbotham, told the British
> newspaper The Guardian last year that
> he is now "absolutely convinced that
> there is a direct link between diet and
> antisocial behaviour, both that bad
> diet causes bad behaviour and that
> good diet prevents it."

Of course! Why would he want to stop the gladiator games he is in charge of? Next thing you know we'll expect him to discourage the endemic rape so deliciously encouraged in our enlightened 'justice' systems.

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Nutrition isn't a "miracle drug"
Posted by: hagwind on Aug 28, 2007 6:11 AM   
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The main question here isn't whether nutrition and food intake affect mood, health, and energy level -- sure they do, though they don't affect all individuals in the same way, and their effects are powerfully influenced by the circumstances of our lives. The more important question is about using nutrition as a panacea, and with test subjects whose control over their lives is minimal. Food faddery is so out of control in this society that I'm skeptical whenever some medico or research team "discovers" a new cure-all and then gets funding or a book contract to promote it. Over the years I've come to believe that eating "good" foods A, B, and C and giving up "bad" foods X, Y, and Z is less important than listening to your body and learning what works best for you -- which includes not only what you eat but when. (Me, if I don't eat a solid breakfast I'm ravenous by midday, and if I eat a big sit-down meal at conventional suppertime I'm usually lethargic in the morning. This schedule wouldn't work at all for some of my friends.) So do these prisoners get any choice about what they eat and at what time of day? And are the researchers taking into account that perhaps depression and violence are, at least in part, a totally human, "natural" response to incarceration?

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The Completely Nutrition less Diet!
Posted by: williameon on Aug 28, 2007 6:31 AM   
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In this fake society.
Where we let a Cor‘pirates’ ruin everything
They have ruined our diet also.
For
Greed!
There is no accountability
They know that poor diet, pollutants and stress causes disease.
What is, is.
That’s the way
That’s the way
On Ha!
They like it.
Sick people make them happy and rich.
Raking in huge profits for the
AMA
Pharmaceuticals
And
Faux Food Companies.
It’s so easy to make and completely nutrition less also!
The Nutrition less diet!
Boxes filled with fullers and poison,
Never meant to be eaten by man!

Read the label!
In this situation less is more.
The shorter the list of ingredients
The better it is!
In fact fresh fruits, vegetables and foods without any labels are best of all!
Extra Virgin Olive Oil
Flax Seed Oil.
Brown rice.
Stone Ground Flour
Whole Grains
Rolled oats.
Dried fruits and nuts.
These are all Manna.
Food of the Gods!

The Corpirates want sick ignorant peons.
To pillage and plunder.

Where’s the Information?
Where’s the BEEF?
That:
Hydrogenated oils
High Fructose Corn syrup
And
Overly refined White flour
Are
POISON.
Clogging the minds, bodies and arteries of our friends.

Nobody seems to know why our country
Is being over run with
FAT people.
Child hood diabetes is epidemic!
Kindergartens are Fat farms!
People are literally eating themselves to death
Looking for the Nutrients,
For a healthy life.
Inside every fat person is a skinny person,
Starving to death.
Eating garbage!

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Vegetarianism and Nonviolence
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 28, 2007 6:40 AM   
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Linnaeus, who introduced binomial nomenclature (naming plants and animals according to their physical structure) wrote: "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of other animals shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food."

The myth that humans are naturally a predator species remains popular: "The beast of prey is the highest form of active life," wrote Nazi philosopher Oswald Spengler in 1931. "It represents a mode of living which requires the extreme degree of the necessity of fighting, conquering, annihilating, and self-assertion. The human race ranks highly because it belongs to the class of beasts of prey. Therefore we find in man the tactics of life proper to a bold, cunning beast of prey. He lives engaged in aggression, killing, and annihilation. He wants to be master in as much as he exists."

That predators exist in the wild does not imply man must imitate them. Cannibalism and rape also occur in nature. Robert Louis Stevenson, in his book In the South Seas, found no difference between the "civilized" Europeans and the "savages" of the Cannibal Islands:

"We consume the carcasses of creatures with like appetites, passions, and organs as our own. We feed on babes, though not our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear."

Studies indicate flesh-eaters have less endurance than vegetarians, while vegetarians have 2 to 3 times more stamina and recover 5 times more quickly from exhaustion. Most kinds of cancer, as well as heart disease, osteoporosis, kidney disease, diabetes, hemorrhoids, arthritis, gallstones and gallbladder disease are all preventable and/or treatable on a vegetarian diet.

The ill effects of alcohol, nicotine, etc. are known. The FBI reports 60 to 75 percent of all violent crime is alcohol-related. Might there not be a similar relationship between diet and aggression?

In a letter to a friend on the subject of vegetarianism, Albert Einstein wrote, "besides agreeing with your aims for aesthetic and moral reasons, it is my view that a vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind."

U Nu, former Prime Minister of Burma, similarly observed: "World peace, or any other kind of peace, depends greatly on the attitude of the mind. Vegetarianism can bring about the right mental attitude for peace...it holds forth a better way of life, which, if practiced universally, can lead to a better, more just, and more peaceful community of nations."

"Who loves this terrible thing called war?" asked Isadora Duncan. "Probably the meat-eaters, having killed, feel the need to kill...The butcher with his bloody apron incites bloodshed, murder. Why not? From cutting the throat of a young calf to cutting the throats of our brothers and sisters is but a step. While we ourselves are living graves of murdered animals, how can we expect any ideal conditions on the earth?"

"I personally believe," wrote Isaac Bashevis Singer, "that as long as human beings will go on shedding the blood of animals, there will never be any peace. There is only one little step from killing animals to creating gas chambers a' la Hitler and concentration camps a' la Stalin--all such deeds are done in the name of 'social justice.' There will be no justice as long as man will stand with a knife or with a gun and destroy those who are weaker than he is."

The way we treat animals indicates how we treat our fellow humans. One Soviet study, published in Ogonyok, found that over 87% of a group of violent criminals had, as children, burned, hanged, or stabbed domestic animals. In our own country, a study by Dr. Stephen Kellert of Yale found that children who abuse animals have a much higher likelihood of becoming violent criminals.

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Where do fish get their Omega-3?
Posted by: ecofriendlynet on Aug 28, 2007 8:00 AM   
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Dan Piraro, of Bizarro.com and the cartoon panel, recently wrote an article for VegNews. In this article, a Q&A of sorts, he made a snappy (but accurate) point regarding essential fatty acids:

Question: Fish have essential Omega-3 fatty acids. You can't live without those, can you?

Answer: I was worried about that too, until I read a tell-all expose by a fish, which divulged the age-old trade secret of where they get their Omega-3s. From eating sea plants.

By the way flax seeds and oil as well as hemp seeds and oil work too. Walnuts too!

Flax seeds and walnuts are not your only choices, of course! One cup's worth of soybeans, navy beans, or kidney beans provides between 200 and 1,000 milligrams of omega 3s (0.2 to 1.0 grams). A four-ounce serving of tofu will provide about 0.4 grams of omega 3s. Therefore, these foods provide between 10% and 50% of the National Institutes of Health recommendation, and a substantial step up from the average U.S. adult intake. (whfoods.org)

Veg sources give the "finger" to commercial fishing, which has destroyed about 40-70% of the ocean life and is screwing the environment. So stick it to the "Man" and go veg!

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The fly in the fish oil
Posted by: sausage on Aug 28, 2007 8:53 AM   
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Most omega-3 fish oil consumed in North America comes from a little known though important fish, the menhaden. The menhaden is , or was, common along North America's of many Atlantic Coast from Nova Scotia to Florida, and was the favorite food many fish species humans consider more palatable.

That's not to say the menhaden didn't play a role in the nation's history. Native Americans used menhaden as a fertilizer for their crops and this knowledge was passed on, or stolen, to European colonists. And that was about all the menhaden was ever used for until Malcolm Glazer discovered the health benefits of omega-3 fatty acids.

Glazer, best known as the owner of the NFL Tampa Bay Bucanneers and the UK's pro-soccer Manchester United teams, is the major stockholder of Omega Protein which is the major manufacturer of fish oil-based omega-3. Glazer controls Omega Protein through another of his holdings which may sound familiar to Alternet readers: Zapata Oil.

The menhaden fishery is in collapse up and down the Eastern Seaboard. Writes H. Bruce Franklin, John Cotton Dana Professor of English and American Studies at Rutgers University in Newark and author of The Most Important Fish in the Sea: Menhaden and America:"..[F]rom 1993 until 2004, no significant schools of adult menhaden were observed north of Cape Cod. As awareness grew of menhaden’s importance to the dwindling stocks of Atlantic food and game fish, state after state banned the reduction fishery from its waters. Today the only Atlantic states that still allow it are North Carolina and Virginia."

Long story short, omega-3 derived from the menhaden is leading to ecological disaster and the loss of fisheries important for both the sport fisherman and the commercial fishery.

I have personally stopped taking fish-oil derived omega-3 suppliments and have switched to flaxseed oil omega-3 suppliments.

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Food is a political issue-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 28, 2007 8:56 AM   
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Good healthy food. A profit based system like ours-makes money selling UNhealthy food.

Prisons are full of political prisoners. Would good food help calm violent behavior? It could. But it can not treat the cause.

For example-- Most child abusers were themselves abused as children. While improved nutrition may very well help--Prevention-- to cure the disease of abuse- is what is really necessary. That means placing We The People -and our health and education and environment and good food -and a fair and just system-ahead of profits.

EAT THE RICH

What this country needs is Revolution.

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What about...
Posted by: mountainmama on Aug 28, 2007 9:15 AM   
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Your comments clearly show your state of mind and thinking. As a person who has suffered depression a good portion of my life, I can tell you what I have learned...that getting your mind in a better state, like using Fish Oil, can allow you to direct your thoughts and actions in a more positive direction. It's not about denying the existance of all the world's problems, which are endless, it's about how to deal with them in every day life. Being in the state of mind you currently are, you cannot do as much to help make changes. When you are able to get into a better state of mind, you are more able to help make those changes in a positive way. It truely IS how you allow yourself or choose to think of things. I've learned this myself and it has changed my life for the better....inspite of the shitty world situation...which I do not hide from!

Wallowing never allows you to get much of anywhere.

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the menu hasn't changed
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Aug 28, 2007 9:48 AM   
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the menu hasn't changed because violence is what's on the menu! They want prisoners to fight each other. They want their arses locked away for as long as possible. Because that means they make more money...

Nutrition, on the other hand, well, that costs more money! So why would they want to spend more money just to reduce their income? Only when you think in terms of the corporate bottom line does the prison system make any sense.

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See the movie supersize if you want proof of diet and depression
Posted by: jgdewey on Aug 28, 2007 10:15 AM   
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This happy, healthy guy ate only at MacDonalds for a month. He was almost dead by the end. Addicted to the food, depressed, liver shot, overweight and yes again very depressed.
In the movie they also commented on a group of juvenile troublemakers put on a diet of veggies and fruits and protein. They pretty much all became calmer and more focused and could concentrate. They were happier.
Of course it isn't a cure all, nothing is, but it's a good start. Clean out the body with periodic fasting, eat lots and lots of fruits and veggies, high fiber, and exercise. It'll help. Add to that prayer and meditiation and you're on your way to feeling better about most things. Why, cause what's going on in the world the craziness, the overwhelming stupidity, doesn't have to keep you from finding happiness. It's inside you, not outside. Not matter what's going on, there is a place inside where joy and peace can be found, and a healthy body is the icing on the cake.

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Give some fish oil to Michael Vick!
Posted by: jimidee on Aug 28, 2007 10:58 AM   
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It may mello his ass out some while he is in the joint. He is one mean mo'fo'.

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Interesting!
Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 28, 2007 11:18 AM   
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I have read that weight loss, especially rapid weight loss, can cause depression. The Spartans were a society that hated fat and kept their population lean through group meals and ridicule. While bellicose, they were also culturally backward. All they really were good at was making war. Hmmmm! Maybe that is why our government has become an obnoxious weight nag! Better to conquer the world for Bushco!!!!!

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Rev.Dr.Jude Arnold
Posted by: drjudearnold on Aug 28, 2007 12:11 PM   
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Food for Thought - a book report by Dr. Jude Arnold

http://users.ritternet.com/jarnold/fft2.html

Food for Thought - A New Look at Food and Behavior written by Dr.'s of Psychology, Saul and Joanne Miller published in 1979 by Prentice-Hall, New Jersey.

How the right foods can help you reduce stress, increase strength, prevent disease, achieve sexual satisfaction and feel centered in mind and body.

The food we eat affects what we think, say and do.

FOOD = ENERGY = BEHAVIOR

4 major factors influencing behavior: (1-3 affect 4)

1. constitution - inherited
2. conditioning - learned
3. external environment - confronting situation and demands
4. internal environment - electrochemical impulses

Nothing has greater control over our biochemistry than food.

www.drjudearnold.com

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EFAs
Posted by: cpesprit on Aug 28, 2007 12:39 PM   
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..I have been taking these for years.
Thye also keep me looking younger - I KNOW, since I stopped one Summer..

ALSO - this reminds me of when my friend from Paris came to visit.
We went to the Grocery store & he looked at the Ingredients and said "CHEMICALS"!!!!
TRUE!

I had no food Sensitivities when visiting France!

Now - US Corporations are trying to FORCE the EU into Genetically Modified food productiuon/consumption (a la Monsanto!) - I am sure that the GM foods here (60% of what we grow- UNLABELLED) are causing allergies, not to mention the PAINS they are causing the non-factory farmers GLOBALLY! ..Yes, Monsanto is patenting their GM seeds, which Naturally spread into other farmers fields.....!!!!! The SUeING (?) Framers when their seeds show the GM genes..

The Japanes say "we will watch the US children for 10 years, then decide whether to implement GM crops"!!!!

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flax, hemp, and primrose!
Posted by: lewru7 on Aug 28, 2007 1:18 PM   
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I really, really wish the author had mentioned the environmental problems inherent in recommending mass fish oil use. Flax, hemp, and primrose oils also contain the omegas (3 and 6) and provide a much more sustainable solution.

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Why is everything about what we eat?
Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Aug 28, 2007 2:29 PM   
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I cannot fathom our culture's obsession with diet. Sure, America is the only place in the world where you can witness, an obese baby or child, but I'm not trying to ridicule the parents. But while we are the fattest nation in the world, I'd also say we are the laziest. We would rather drive the two blocks from our manicured lawns and picket fenced McMansions in our gas guzzling SUV's to go to the corner store than to walk. Instant coffee, instant food are just a couple of products that have surfaced over the years claiming that they will give us that immediate gratification our culture has grown to expect as normal in our society of excess.

That has unfortunately spilled over to the pharmaceutical companies who develop and market these antidepressants (among other drugs). They market their miracle pills even though certain medications have been linked to teen suicide. Not only is this bad from a humanitarian standpoint, but it also reflects a much larger problem in our over-medicated culture.

Sure, diet may help curb depression, but the best way is to get moving. Aerobic exercise has been cited in numerous studies to reduce the symptoms of depression in mild to severe cases, as well as manic-depression. Google "depression" and "aerobic exercise" and I'm sure that you will also run into a plethora of information concerning the subject, but if you want to be lazy (j/k), I have provided some links to studies and information below:

Aerobic Exercise Lifts Depression in Treatment-Resistant Patients
Exercise for Depression and Bipolar Disorder
Connection of antidepressants and family annihilation

Unfortunately for our society, the misconception seems to be that the body, and mind work independently of one another, so we continue to shovel junk into our bodies, as well as the bodies of our children. The really unfortunate thing is that when we do develop some health problem, that we are also quick to shovel some miracle drug down our throats. While the FDA should be keeping us safe from the harmful nature of some of these drugs, the sad reality is that the agency has fallen victim to politics and the bureaucracy that it is a part of.

Just run a quick Google search for the news surrounding the lawsuits pending about the painkiller Oxycontin, whose makers alleged that it was less addictive than morphine. Apparantly, there is a story about other deadly pharmaceuticals in the Health and Wellness section of this website as well.
The FDA wants you dead

Here's my philosophy on their pills.
Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source. And know that no medication is without side-effects.

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Leads and Beads
Posted by: talkville on Aug 29, 2007 1:52 AM   
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The lead to this article 'promised' information about depression (first) and violence (second) - a series. The 1st page dealt with aggression and efforts to study and research its manifestations and possible ways to cure it. Praise-worthy goals -- especially in a political-economy which places strong positive value on aggressive behavior in social relations -- Wall Street and Sports and Washington D.C. are presented to us essentially as 'blood-sports'; the 'strongest' win (and survive) and the 'weakest' exist and die.

The question regarding 'depression' is a bit more complicated. What precisely are the objectives of so much interest and research into that condition called 'depression'? Why must it 'be stopped' and to what purposes? I only put this question in this manner because it has been in my opinion become urgent to consider carefully and much more deeply the questions about why this "abnormal", "terrible", "negative", "un-wanted", "undesirable" condition which bears the name "depression" is an object of obsessive interest, particularly in our own specific circumstances. What really happens to an individual when he or she devotes (look up the verb, it's thinkable!) un-ceasing energy (another great word!) to effort, 'working hard', 'success', 'perfection', 'purity' and any number of other "positive" (exclusively positive) pursuits?

After the marathon, both the 'winners' and 'the losers' will collapse (in one form or another) in either exhaustion, fatigue, or (indeed!) in most of the other descriptions found about "Depression" in Psychologist, Psychiatrist, Biological, Physiologist, Neurologist, etc. manuals. That would be depression and it would be natural and expected. The word "marathon" has very many levels of reference. So whence the surprise?

So, once again, why exactly are we interested in pumping drugs, additives, ideas, etc into our bodies to prevent this condition? It's a natural response to capitalism and the 'values' it represents. Well, this post has 'burned me out' -- i'll leave whoever reads it to their own concerns.

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Are we looking for a "magic pill?"
Posted by: ld7440 on Aug 29, 2007 9:44 AM   
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It's a no-brainer that we are what we eat, and that poor nutrition can impact behavior. This is nothing new. It's also not new that scientists think that they can find a "magic pill" that can "cure" depression and violent behavior. These two conditions are both different and too complex to be solved by the addition of a single ingredient. Although I'm all for improving nutrition in the U.S. by eliminating processed foods, eating whole grains and vegetables, and using food supplements where needed, this will clearly not happen any time soon unless there's a more level playing field (e.g. good jobs, good health care and an available healthy food supply). And eating fish is not the only option. Flax seed oil is a wonderful supply for fatty acids; overfishing is already threatening our fish supply.

There are no "magic pills" - certainly not anything that Big Pharma can patent. God knows our prison population could use a better diet, but so could everyone else - our children, our seniors - everyone. And I don't see any solutions being made for how we're going to do that.

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Keep Your Eye on The Ball-Nutritionional Theories Divert Our Attention
Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 30, 2007 5:14 PM   
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I found these dietary hypotheses interesting but they should not divert us from the root causes of criminal behaviors which can be found in dysfuntional families, poverty, joblessness,fear of joblessness, and hopelessness.

Medicalizing social problems is a huge mistake

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
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