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The Key To Good Health That No One Is Talking About: Money
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I recently saw a billboard for an employment service that said, "If you think cigarette smoking is bad for your health, try a dead-end job." This warning may not just be an advertising quip: public health research now tells us that lower socio-economic status may be more harmful to health than risky personal habits, such as smoking or eating junk food.
In 1967, British epidemiologist Michael Marmot began to study the relationship between poverty and health. He showed that each step up or down the socio-economic ladder correlates with increasing or decreasing health.
Over time, research linking health and wealth became more nuanced. It turns out that "what matters in determining mortality and health in a society is less the overall wealth of that society and more how evenly wealth is distributed. The more equally wealth is distributed, the better the health of that society," according to the editors of the April 20, 1996 issue of the British Medical Journal. In that issue, American epidemiologist George Kaplan and his colleagues showed that the disparity of income in each of the individual U.S. states, rather than the average income per state, predicted the death rate.
"The People's Epidemiologists," an article in the March/April 2006 issue of Harvard Magazine, takes the analysis a step further. Fundamental social forces such as "poverty, discrimination, stressful jobs, marketing-driven global food companies, substandard housing, dangerous neighborhoods and so on" actually cause individuals to become ill, according to the studies cited in the article. Nancy Krieger, the epidemiologist featured in the article, has shown that poverty and other social determinants are as formidable as hostile microbes or personal habits when it comes to making us sick. This may seem obvious, but it is a revolutionary idea: the public generally believes that poor lifestyle choices, faulty genes, infectious agents, and poisons are the major factors that give rise to illness.
Krieger is one of many prominent researchers making connections between health and inequality. Michael Marmot recently explained in his book, The Status Syndrome, that the experience of inequality impacts health, making the perception of our place in the social hierarchy an important factor. According to Harvard's Ichiro Kawachi, the distribution of wealth in the United States has become an "important public health problem." The claims of Kawachi and his colleagues move public health firmly into the political arena, where some people don't think it belongs. But the links between socio-economic status and health are so compelling that public health researchers are beginning to suggest economic and political remedies.
Richard Wilkinson, an epidemiologist at the University of Nottingham, points out that we are not fated to live in stressful dominance hierarchies that make us sick -- we can choose to create more egalitarian societies. In his book, The Impact of Inequality, Wilkinson suggests that employee ownership may provide a path toward greater equality and consequently better health. The University of Washington's Stephen Bezruchka, another leading researcher on status and health, also reminds us that we can choose. He encourages us to participate in our democracy to effect change. In a 2003 lecture he said that "working together and organizing is our hope."
It is always true that we have choices, but some conditions embolden us to create the future while others invite powerlessness. When it comes to health care these days, Americans are reluctant to act because we are full of fear. We are afraid: afraid because we have no health care insurance, afraid of losing our health care insurance if we have it, or afraid that the insurance we have will not cover our health care expenses. But in the shadow of those fears is an even greater fear -- the fear of poverty -- which can either cause or be caused by illness.
In the United States we have all the resources we need to create a new picture: an abundance of talent, ideas, intelligence, and material wealth. We can decide to create a society that not only includes guaranteed health care but also replaces our crushing climate of fear with a creative culture of care. As Wilkinson and Bezruchka suggest, we can choose to work for better health by working for greater equality.
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Posted by: Katja on Jul 25, 2007 2:02 AM
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 25, 2007 3:02 AM
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It's probably hard to isolate stress from other health factors when you're poor, because you're probably exposed to more toxins at work and where you live, which probably causes you more stress.
I shop at the no-name, BYO-bags grocery store. The fresh vegetables are pretty cheap, but a lot of carts are filled with manufactured crap.
I've had a few burger-flipping and ditch-digging jobs. Breaks are for eating, smoking, and reading the paper, so people tend to eat and smoke.
As you may notice, I don't have a clear opinion on this today, but this article is good because it makes you think about freedom, determinism, and the useless "health tips" they feed you on the evening news.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 25, 2007 3:35 AM
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Competition is made to seem natural because social predators have been writing the rules to benefit themselves. In so-called "primative" societies, a social predator would probably be disposed of as a threat to the group.
We, on the other hand, allow social predators to reward themselves and their allies. Time to do away with professional politicians? We would be far better off picking our representatives out of telephone directories.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Jul 25, 2007 5:17 AM
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Stress is the root of almost all illnesses so it's no surprise that economic status weighs in with respect to that!
But while no doubt the results of economic status is a factor, there is also a strong case for those "wealthy" individuals, living to the max to "keep up", and stressing where the next Mercedes payment is coming from suffers from the same stress related illnesses.
The poor do get the shaft as their environment is more harmful and their knowledge of how to work within the healthcare system, essential to get any kind of proper care, is limited.
We don't only need a revamped healthcare system that covers everyone, we need one that gurantees timely and quality care, where the good docs dont work outside the system, as they do now - that is a big problem.
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Posted by: Shakti on Jul 25, 2007 5:34 AM
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My own view of the link between SES and health is that it is both obvious stuff, such as access to healthcare and information, AND the stress associated with being on the lower rungs of a society dominated by principles of social Darwinism. The kind of dog-eat-dog, devil-take-the-hindmost mentality that characterizes the rat race, especially in the U.S., is very, very harmful to people's sense of belonging and security in the world. We evolved to live in tribes and clans, with an extended network of relatives and friends there to help us every single day. Our central nervous systems were not designed for isolated living and individual competition. The social structure we have created differs radically from the ones in which we evolved.
See what you've done? You got me started on my dissertation topic. Healing the Social Body: A Holistic Approach to Public Health Policy. Available on Amazon (but expensive.)
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Posted by: janvdb on Jul 25, 2007 9:35 AM
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Most of what makes Americans unhealthy is not our health care system or neighbor envy, but our farm system.
Europe's CAP is grossly expensive and damages the Third World, but at least it shells out money to preserve the land and to put high-quality, full-vitamin, small-portion, somewhat pricey, healthy food in front of the consumer. Our farm policy is grossly expensive and damages the Third World, too, but then it places mountains of cheap, corn-syrup-laced, low-vitamin, bleached-out, starchy, hydrogenated-vegetable-oil-laden, fatty factory food in front of the consumer.
Consumers are pretty stupid. They will eat what the government makes available and cheap.
Our farm policy is making us sick.
Of course, inequality of income is associated with job insecurity, overwork (which leads to eating fast foods), lack of health insurance and bad bosses who treat employees like the desperate wageslaves they are. And all those things make us sick.
I acknowledge that simple inequality of income can create health problems, but a lot of our health problems are also due to our misguided farm policies, which reward bulk, corporate production of corn syrup, etc and penalize local organic farmers and other high-end producers.
Americans eat bad food because our government rewards bad food. Farm policy is just as important as health care in making us sick.
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jul 25, 2007 9:57 AM
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Poor people have more stress. By creating a less stressed society, and there are many ways to do that: tax incentives to promote tele-commuting from home rather than facing daily traffic; guaranteed day care for parents; guaranteed health care; stress management classes in work, school, healthcare . . . and most importantly changing a system where everyone works harder and harder so that the top 1% of the nation can get richer and richer.
Stress is at the core of almost all health problems. By dealing collectively to lower EVERYONE's stress, not just our own stress . . . we'll all see the benefits.
In the early 1990's the Transcendental Meditation Foundation in collaboration with universities and the Washington DC Police Dept., brought in high level meditators from around the country to gather in DC one summer . . . to meditate.
They predicted it would shift the consciousness of the city and lower violent crime by 20% based on data from smaller scale studies. The DC police Chief said, yeah right, if a blizzard hits DC this summer.
Guess what. Not only did they meet their prediction but surpassed it. The more meditators they brought in, the lower the Homicide, Rape, and Assault rate went.
Stress is at the core of not only personal health problems, but also of many social and international problems. Highly stressed people are more volitale whether they live next door or in another country.
Its in our global best interest to create a less stressed more equitable world. It'll not only make life better, it'll save tremendous amounts of police, court, military, and health care spending. Which will free up more money to solve more problems. It becomes a spiral of wonderful things that just gets out of control. I could use more of that, and I think you could too.
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Posted by: shanaza on Jul 25, 2007 10:42 AM
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Some stress is good - the type that motivates you; other stress (esp. chronic) is bad - the type over which you have little or no control. I know my incidents of illness dropped once I left corporate life and started my own business.
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Posted by: helgerry on Jul 25, 2007 11:16 AM
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In America, the term "egalitarian society" is automatically associated with socialism... Let's not even talk about the fact that it would certainly mean higher taxes for the rich. Oh no!! In that regard, the scandinavian countries could serve as a model of society for America, but the elites here wouldn't let it happen.
But we can take it even further and say that there is most likely a link between the overall consciousness level of a population and its general wealth distribution. The higher the consciousness level the more egalitarian the society... And it has nothing to do with socialism or communism since it cannot be an imposed or forced egalitarianism (so Cuba is out!): the members of such a society must see for themselves that it's in their best interests that the country's wealth is well distributed among the population...
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jul 25, 2007 1:06 PM
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The only exception to that rule is when a culture values things that don't cost money. Obviously that's not the US, which I think is a big part of the reason why poor people in the US are less healthy than poor people in other 1st world nations. We're too materialistic, and we all know that doesn't have anything to do with happiness. It is no surprise to me that the most materialistic nation in the world is also the one that consumes the most anti-depressants. And of course the author doesn't really talk about any of that.
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Posted by: anothername on Jul 25, 2007 1:06 PM
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I'm rambling now. My point, though, is that we need solid infrastructure investment to make our daily lives eaiser and healthier, whether we have the money to hire cleaning crews, to have a nanny, to go to a gym, or heck, even the option to put out recycling. (Try recycling in some apartment buildings, even when single-family homes do it easily. That builds up stress quickly, or the renter stops carring and buys into the stereotype that only homeowners care about neighborhoods, which then leads the renter to be ignored in local politics, which then leads to more stress, which then leads the tenent to care even less...)
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 25, 2007 1:38 PM
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2. Stop eating out more often.
3. Stop relying on "fast food", band-aid, aggressive "solutions" to everything
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Posted by: Annarisse on Jul 25, 2007 4:26 PM
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I have no doubt there is a correlation between low SES and ill health. That much has been proved conclusively. I'm not sure, however, that these studies have proved causation. Some of the factors that lead to a low socio-economic level are also contributing factors in general ill health. For example, a lower level of education often leads to reduced earning power and therefore poverty. It also contributes to the inability to take good care of oneself. A lack of critical thinking skills and access to information about health are both contributing factors to making poor lifestyle choices.
I doubt stress can account for the entire picture, or even most of it. Poor people certainly do have a lot of stress, but so do those higher up the income ladder - yet those higher up have longer life expectancies and better health overall.
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"Firebaugh argues that, in evaluating their own incomes, individuals compare themselves to their peers of the same age. Therefore a person's reported level of happiness depends on how his or her income compares to others in the same age group. Using comparison groups on the basis of age, the researchers find evidence of both relative and absolute effects, but relative income is more important than absolute income in determining the happiness of individuals in the United States."
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Posted by: mjabele on Jul 25, 2007 9:05 PM
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The majority of patients I see in my own practice are poor, and certainly stress is a rampant factor in their lives. Most of this relates to insecurity of some kind - lack of a job, or the threat of losing a job and being unable to find a new one, or inadequate income (even if employed) to pay rent / heat / food bills, or losing health insurance coverage. Depression screens are positive in more than half the patients we see on any given day, and many of these folks are under psychiatric care. The influence of stress is even "contaminating" to some degree, in the sense that even relatively "well-equilibrated" individuals can become stressed as a result of seeing their spouses or children engage in behaviors like drug abuse or crime. Entire families can become disrupted this way in my experience.
I'd add that many of these people have few outlets for their stress - overeating, smoking, risky sexual behavior, and drug use are often the cheapest and most readily accessible options. Before criticizing them for this, one should think how one would react oneself if placed into a similar situation. I didn't smoke till I was 33 years old - at which point the US Army abruptly deposited me for 12 uninterrupted months on a hilltop in the Balkans without access to family, girlfriend, phone, computer, TV, or alcohol, with an essentially 7-day-a-week job with every third or fourth night on call. There was literally nothing to do, except run in mindless 2-mile circles on the hilltop for exercise. I lasted about 4 months before the cigarettes had me in their lethal grasp.
I wish I could do more to relieve my patients' stress, but I refer most of their problems to our social workers - who, I suspect, must have pretty stressful jobs themselves. I write letters to try to help some of my patients with their bills, give them medication samples when their health insurance runs out or won't cover, and sometimes prescribe an antidepressant or short-term anxiolytic medication. Not much, in other words. Obviously the real solutions lie elsewhere, in the economic and political spheres.
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Posted by: ressless on Jul 30, 2007 6:20 PM
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But wait, one thing that poor people have to look forward to, if they live long enough, is being dependent on Medicare -- health insurance for the elderly that doesn't cover long-term care, dentures, eyeglasses or hearing aids -- coverage for prescriptions only recently went from nonexistant to woefully inadequate.
Maybe being poor isn't a crime in this country, but it makes a pretty good imitation of one.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 25, 2007 3:02 AM
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It's probably hard to isolate stress from other health factors when you're poor, because you're probably exposed to more toxins at work and where you live, which probably causes you more stress.
I shop at the no-name, BYO-bags grocery store. The fresh vegetables are pretty cheap, but a lot of carts are filled with manufactured crap.
I've had a few burger-flipping and ditch-digging jobs. Breaks are for eating, smoking, and reading the paper, so people tend to eat and smoke.
As you may notice, I don't have a clear opinion on this today, but this article is good because it makes you think about freedom, determinism, and the useless "health tips" they feed you on the evening news.
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Competition is made to seem natural because social predators have been writing the rules to benefit themselves. In so-called "primative" societies, a social predator would probably be disposed of as a threat to the group.
We, on the other hand, allow social predators to reward themselves and their allies. Time to do away with professional politicians? We would be far better off picking our representatives out of telephone directories.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Jul 25, 2007 5:17 AM
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Stress is the root of almost all illnesses so it's no surprise that economic status weighs in with respect to that!
But while no doubt the results of economic status is a factor, there is also a strong case for those "wealthy" individuals, living to the max to "keep up", and stressing where the next Mercedes payment is coming from suffers from the same stress related illnesses.
The poor do get the shaft as their environment is more harmful and their knowledge of how to work within the healthcare system, essential to get any kind of proper care, is limited.
We don't only need a revamped healthcare system that covers everyone, we need one that gurantees timely and quality care, where the good docs dont work outside the system, as they do now - that is a big problem.
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Posted by: Shakti on Jul 25, 2007 5:34 AM
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My own view of the link between SES and health is that it is both obvious stuff, such as access to healthcare and information, AND the stress associated with being on the lower rungs of a society dominated by principles of social Darwinism. The kind of dog-eat-dog, devil-take-the-hindmost mentality that characterizes the rat race, especially in the U.S., is very, very harmful to people's sense of belonging and security in the world. We evolved to live in tribes and clans, with an extended network of relatives and friends there to help us every single day. Our central nervous systems were not designed for isolated living and individual competition. The social structure we have created differs radically from the ones in which we evolved.
See what you've done? You got me started on my dissertation topic. Healing the Social Body: A Holistic Approach to Public Health Policy. Available on Amazon (but expensive.)
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Posted by: janvdb on Jul 25, 2007 9:35 AM
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Most of what makes Americans unhealthy is not our health care system or neighbor envy, but our farm system.
Europe's CAP is grossly expensive and damages the Third World, but at least it shells out money to preserve the land and to put high-quality, full-vitamin, small-portion, somewhat pricey, healthy food in front of the consumer. Our farm policy is grossly expensive and damages the Third World, too, but then it places mountains of cheap, corn-syrup-laced, low-vitamin, bleached-out, starchy, hydrogenated-vegetable-oil-laden, fatty factory food in front of the consumer.
Consumers are pretty stupid. They will eat what the government makes available and cheap.
Our farm policy is making us sick.
Of course, inequality of income is associated with job insecurity, overwork (which leads to eating fast foods), lack of health insurance and bad bosses who treat employees like the desperate wageslaves they are. And all those things make us sick.
I acknowledge that simple inequality of income can create health problems, but a lot of our health problems are also due to our misguided farm policies, which reward bulk, corporate production of corn syrup, etc and penalize local organic farmers and other high-end producers.
Americans eat bad food because our government rewards bad food. Farm policy is just as important as health care in making us sick.
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Posted by: BillDouglas on Jul 25, 2007 9:57 AM
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Poor people have more stress. By creating a less stressed society, and there are many ways to do that: tax incentives to promote tele-commuting from home rather than facing daily traffic; guaranteed day care for parents; guaranteed health care; stress management classes in work, school, healthcare . . . and most importantly changing a system where everyone works harder and harder so that the top 1% of the nation can get richer and richer.
Stress is at the core of almost all health problems. By dealing collectively to lower EVERYONE's stress, not just our own stress . . . we'll all see the benefits.
In the early 1990's the Transcendental Meditation Foundation in collaboration with universities and the Washington DC Police Dept., brought in high level meditators from around the country to gather in DC one summer . . . to meditate.
They predicted it would shift the consciousness of the city and lower violent crime by 20% based on data from smaller scale studies. The DC police Chief said, yeah right, if a blizzard hits DC this summer.
Guess what. Not only did they meet their prediction but surpassed it. The more meditators they brought in, the lower the Homicide, Rape, and Assault rate went.
Stress is at the core of not only personal health problems, but also of many social and international problems. Highly stressed people are more volitale whether they live next door or in another country.
Its in our global best interest to create a less stressed more equitable world. It'll not only make life better, it'll save tremendous amounts of police, court, military, and health care spending. Which will free up more money to solve more problems. It becomes a spiral of wonderful things that just gets out of control. I could use more of that, and I think you could too.
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Posted by: shanaza on Jul 25, 2007 10:42 AM
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Some stress is good - the type that motivates you; other stress (esp. chronic) is bad - the type over which you have little or no control. I know my incidents of illness dropped once I left corporate life and started my own business.
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Posted by: helgerry on Jul 25, 2007 11:16 AM
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In America, the term "egalitarian society" is automatically associated with socialism... Let's not even talk about the fact that it would certainly mean higher taxes for the rich. Oh no!! In that regard, the scandinavian countries could serve as a model of society for America, but the elites here wouldn't let it happen.
But we can take it even further and say that there is most likely a link between the overall consciousness level of a population and its general wealth distribution. The higher the consciousness level the more egalitarian the society... And it has nothing to do with socialism or communism since it cannot be an imposed or forced egalitarianism (so Cuba is out!): the members of such a society must see for themselves that it's in their best interests that the country's wealth is well distributed among the population...
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jul 25, 2007 1:06 PM
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The only exception to that rule is when a culture values things that don't cost money. Obviously that's not the US, which I think is a big part of the reason why poor people in the US are less healthy than poor people in other 1st world nations. We're too materialistic, and we all know that doesn't have anything to do with happiness. It is no surprise to me that the most materialistic nation in the world is also the one that consumes the most anti-depressants. And of course the author doesn't really talk about any of that.
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Posted by: anothername on Jul 25, 2007 1:06 PM
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I'm rambling now. My point, though, is that we need solid infrastructure investment to make our daily lives eaiser and healthier, whether we have the money to hire cleaning crews, to have a nanny, to go to a gym, or heck, even the option to put out recycling. (Try recycling in some apartment buildings, even when single-family homes do it easily. That builds up stress quickly, or the renter stops carring and buys into the stereotype that only homeowners care about neighborhoods, which then leads the renter to be ignored in local politics, which then leads to more stress, which then leads the tenent to care even less...)
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 25, 2007 1:38 PM
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2. Stop eating out more often.
3. Stop relying on "fast food", band-aid, aggressive "solutions" to everything
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Posted by: Annarisse on Jul 25, 2007 4:26 PM
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I have no doubt there is a correlation between low SES and ill health. That much has been proved conclusively. I'm not sure, however, that these studies have proved causation. Some of the factors that lead to a low socio-economic level are also contributing factors in general ill health. For example, a lower level of education often leads to reduced earning power and therefore poverty. It also contributes to the inability to take good care of oneself. A lack of critical thinking skills and access to information about health are both contributing factors to making poor lifestyle choices.
I doubt stress can account for the entire picture, or even most of it. Poor people certainly do have a lot of stress, but so do those higher up the income ladder - yet those higher up have longer life expectancies and better health overall.
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"Firebaugh argues that, in evaluating their own incomes, individuals compare themselves to their peers of the same age. Therefore a person's reported level of happiness depends on how his or her income compares to others in the same age group. Using comparison groups on the basis of age, the researchers find evidence of both relative and absolute effects, but relative income is more important than absolute income in determining the happiness of individuals in the United States."
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Posted by: mjabele on Jul 25, 2007 9:05 PM
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The majority of patients I see in my own practice are poor, and certainly stress is a rampant factor in their lives. Most of this relates to insecurity of some kind - lack of a job, or the threat of losing a job and being unable to find a new one, or inadequate income (even if employed) to pay rent / heat / food bills, or losing health insurance coverage. Depression screens are positive in more than half the patients we see on any given day, and many of these folks are under psychiatric care. The influence of stress is even "contaminating" to some degree, in the sense that even relatively "well-equilibrated" individuals can become stressed as a result of seeing their spouses or children engage in behaviors like drug abuse or crime. Entire families can become disrupted this way in my experience.
I'd add that many of these people have few outlets for their stress - overeating, smoking, risky sexual behavior, and drug use are often the cheapest and most readily accessible options. Before criticizing them for this, one should think how one would react oneself if placed into a similar situation. I didn't smoke till I was 33 years old - at which point the US Army abruptly deposited me for 12 uninterrupted months on a hilltop in the Balkans without access to family, girlfriend, phone, computer, TV, or alcohol, with an essentially 7-day-a-week job with every third or fourth night on call. There was literally nothing to do, except run in mindless 2-mile circles on the hilltop for exercise. I lasted about 4 months before the cigarettes had me in their lethal grasp.
I wish I could do more to relieve my patients' stress, but I refer most of their problems to our social workers - who, I suspect, must have pretty stressful jobs themselves. I write letters to try to help some of my patients with their bills, give them medication samples when their health insurance runs out or won't cover, and sometimes prescribe an antidepressant or short-term anxiolytic medication. Not much, in other words. Obviously the real solutions lie elsewhere, in the economic and political spheres.
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Posted by: ressless on Jul 30, 2007 6:20 PM
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But wait, one thing that poor people have to look forward to, if they live long enough, is being dependent on Medicare -- health insurance for the elderly that doesn't cover long-term care, dentures, eyeglasses or hearing aids -- coverage for prescriptions only recently went from nonexistant to woefully inadequate.
Maybe being poor isn't a crime in this country, but it makes a pretty good imitation of one.
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