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The Dark Side of Soy
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As someone who is conscious of her health, I spent 13 years cultivating a vegetarian diet. I took time to plan and balance meals that included products such as soy milk, soy yogurt, tofu, and Chick'n patties. I pored over labels looking for words I couldn't pronounce -- occasionally one or two would pop up. Soy protein isolate? Great! They've isolated the protein from the soybean to make it more concentrated. Hydrolyzed soy protein? I never successfully rationalized that one, but I wasn't too worried. After all, in 1999 the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved labeling I found on nearly every soy product I purchased: "Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams of soy protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease." Soy ingredients weren't only safe -- they were beneficial.
After years of consuming various forms of soy nearly every day, I felt reasonably fit, but somewhere along the line I'd stopped menstruating. I couldn't figure out why my stomach became so upset after I ate edamame or why I was often moody and bloated. It didn't occur to me at the time to question soy, heart protector and miracle food.
When I began studying holistic health and nutrition, I kept running across risks associated with eating soy. Endocrine disruption? Check. Digestive problems? Check. I researched soy's deleterious effects on thyroid, fertility, hormones, sex drive, digestion, and even its potential to contribute to certain cancers. For every study that proved a connection between soy and reduced disease risk another cropped up to challenge the claims. What was going on?
"Studies showing the dark side of soy date back 100 years," says clinical nutritionist Kaayla Daniel, author of The Whole Soy Story (New Trends, 2005). "The 1999 FDA-approved health claim pleased big business, despite massive evidence showing risks associated with soy, and against the protest of the FDA's own top scientists. Soy is a $4 billion [U.S.] industry that's taken these health claims to the bank." Besides promoting heart health, the industry says, soy can alleviate symptoms associated with menopause, reduce the risk of certain cancers, and lower levels of LDL, the "bad" cholesterol.
Epidemiological studies have shown that Asians, particularly in Japan and China, have a lower incidence of breast and prostate cancer than people in the United States, and many of these studies credit a traditional diet that includes soy. But Asian diets include small amounts -- about nine grams a day -- of primarily fermented soy products, such as miso, natto, and tempeh, and some tofu. Fermenting soy creates health-promoting probiotics, the good bacteria our bodies need to maintain digestive and overall wellness. By contrast, in the United States, processed soy food snacks or shakes can contain over 20 grams of nonfermented soy protein in one serving.
"There is important information on the cancer-protective values of soy," says clinical nutritionist Ed Bauman, head of Bauman Clinic in Sebastopol, California, and director of Bauman College. Bauman cautions against painting the bean with a broad brush. "As with any food, it can have benefits in one system and detriments in another. [An individual who is sensitive to it] may have an adverse response to soy. And not all soy is alike," he adds, referring to processing methods and quality.
"Soy is not a food that is native to North America or Europe, and you have issues when you move food from one part of the world to another," Bauman says. "We fare better when we eat according to our ethnicity. Soy is a viable food, but we need to look at how it's used."
Once considered a small-scale poverty food, soy exploded onto the American market. Studies -- some funded by the industry -- promoted soy's ability to lower disease risk while absolving guilt associated with eating meat. "The soy industry has come a long way from when hippies were boiling up the beans," says Daniel.
These days the industry has discovered ways to use every part of the bean for profit. Soy oil has become the base for most vegetable oils; soy lecithin, the waste product left over after the soybean is processed, is used as an emulsifier; soy flour appears in baked and packaged goods; different forms of processed soy protein are added to everything from animal feed to muscle-building protein powders. "Soy protein isolate was invented for use in cardboard," Daniel says. "It hasn't actually been approved as a food ingredient."
Soy is everywhere in our food supply, as the star in cereals and health-promoting foods and hidden in processed foods. Even if you read every label and avoid cardboard boxes, you are likely to find soy in your supplements and vitamins (look out for vitamin E derived from soy oil), in foods such as canned tuna, soups, sauces, breads, meats (injected under poultry skin), and chocolate, and in pet food and body-care products. It hides in tofu dogs under aliases such as textured vegetable protein, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, and lecithin -- which is troubling, since the processing required to hydrolyze soy protein into vegetable protein produces excitotoxins such as glutamate (think MSG) and aspartate (a component of aspartame), which cause brain-cell death.
Soy also is one of the foods -- in addition to wheat, corn, eggs, milk, nuts, and shellfish -- most likely to cause allergic reactions. Most people equate food allergies with anaphylaxis, or a severe emergency immune response, but it is possible to have a subclinical sensitivity, which can lead to health problems over time (and is exacerbated by the lack of variety common in today's American diet).
"People can do an empirical food sensitivity test by eliminating the food for a period of time and reintroducing it to see if there's an immune response, but most don't do this," says Bauman. "Genetically modified (GM) soy is the most problematic, and that's probably what most people are eating if they're not paying attention. People can develop sensitivity to a food that has antigens or bacteria not originally in the food chain, as is the case with GM foods."
Yet avoiding GM soy doesn't mean all is well, Daniel says: "One question I get all the time is, 'What if I only eat organic soy?' The assumption is that GM soy is problematic and organic is fine. Certainly, organic is better, but the bottom line is that soybeans naturally contain plant estrogens, toxins, and antinutrients, and you can't remove those."
The highest risk is for infants who are fed soy formula. "It's the only thing they're eating, they're very small, and they're at a key stage developmentally," says Daniel. "The estrogens in soy will affect the hormonal development of these children, and it will certainly affect their growing brains, reproductive systems, and thyroids." Soy formula also contains large amounts of manganese, which has been linked to attention deficit disorder and neurotoxicity in infants. The Israeli health ministry recently issued an advisory stating that infants should avoid soy formula altogether.
Antinutrients in soy block enzymes needed for digestion, and naturally occur-ring phytates block absorption of essential minerals. This is most worrisome for vegans and vegetarians who eat soy as their main source of protein, and for women in menopause who up their soy intake through supplements.
Soy contains phytochemicals -- plant nutrients with disease-fighting activity -- called isoflavones. Studies claim isoflavones can mimic the body's own estrogens, raising a woman's estrogen levels, which fall after menopause, causing hot flashes and other symptoms. On the other hand, isoflavones may also block the body's estrogens, which can help reduce high estrogen levels, therefore reducing risk for breast cancer or uterine cancer before menopause. (High estrogen levels have been linked to cancers of the reproductive system in women.)
Although soy's isoflavones may have an adaptogenic effect (contributing to an estrogen-boosting or -blocking effect where needed), they also have the potential to promote hormone-sensitive cancers in some people. Studies on the effects of isoflavones on human estrogen levels are conflicting, and it's possible that they affect people differently. In men, soy has been shown to lower testosterone levels and sex drive, according to Daniel.
Bauman believes processed soy foods are problematic but maintains that soy has beneficial hormone-mediating effects. "People are largely convenience-driven," he says. "We're looking at this whole processed-food convenience market and we're making generalizations about a plant. Is soy the problem, or is it the handling and packaging and processing of the plant that's the problem?
"Primary sources of food are a good thing. Once there was a bean, but then it got cooked and squeezed and the pulp was separated out, and it was heated and processed for better shelf life and mouth feel. Soy milk is second or third level in terms of processing."
Bauman's eating-for-health approach calls for a variety of natural and seasonal unprocessed whole foods, including soy in moderation, tailored to individual biochemistry and sensitivities. "Using soy as part of a diet can bring relief for perimenopause, for example," he says. "Throw out the soy and you throw out the isoflavones." (It is possible to obtain plant estrogens to a lesser extent from other foods, such as lima beans or flax.) "The literature is extensive on the benefits of soy, and that should always be stated, just as the hazards should be. That's science. These studies are not ridiculous or contrived, but take a look at them. Who's funding them?" asks Bauman.
"There are a lot of problems with these studies," Daniel says, adding that the 1999 heart health claim was an industry-funded initiative. "Even if there is positive information, and even if these studies are well designed, we need to weigh that against the fact that we've also got really good studies showing the dangers. Better safe than sorry is the precautionary principle. Possible bene-fits are far outweighed by proven risks."
Daniel and Bauman agree on the benefits of variety. "My experience as a clinical nutritionist is that people who have a varied diet tend not to get into trouble," says Daniel.
"We like to demonize certain foods in this society," says Bauman. "If you want to find a fault, you'll find it. The bottom line is: What is a healthy diet?"
Reprinted from Terrain (Spring 2007), published by Berkeley's Ecology Center. Dedicated to fine feature writing about environmental issues, Terrain is distributed free throughout Northern California. Subscriptions: $15/yr. (3 issues) from 2530 San Pablo Ave., Berkeley, CA 94702.
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Posted by: jparsons on Jul 9, 2007 12:45 AM
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Having said that, the foods that processed soy replaces have a much scarier list of diseases associated - heart disease, cancer, strokes, etc. Enjoy soy!
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Jul 9, 2007 1:16 AM
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Posted by: ateo on Jul 9, 2007 2:26 AM
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I actually decided to add a bit of soy in the form of soy burgers to my diet recently. I probably only eat one every 2 or 3 days. Other than soy sauce that's the only soy in my diet so I'm probably fine with that amount.
This really makes soy sound like a bad deal for men though. "Reduces brain size", "lowers testosterone levels", "reduced sex drive." Horrible.
I don't eat a varied diet because it is simply too difficult to stock that many foods in the home in small quantities.
Try to eat healthy and then they tell you peanut butter causes cancer. What's the world coming to?
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 9, 2007 5:59 AM
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Usually, the western visitor finds it quite disgusting.
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Posted by: DrSuess on Jul 9, 2007 6:54 AM
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Soy is the most processed and modified food that exists. We don't have Asian soy in this country - it is all hybrid or genetically modified. Because of my soy alllergy, I have become aware of how food is modified, and made artificial. This is probably a good thing- because it makes me much more aware of the food that I eat.
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Posted by: MaryShomon on Jul 9, 2007 7:00 AM
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In the typical American tradition, they believe that if a little soy is good, well, huge amounts must be that much better.
And then they develop a thyroid condition. Or their thyroid condition, once manageable, worsens.
It's a matter of balance, and degree. Ultimately, unless you have a soy allergy, a small amount of soy -- using fermented forms as a food condiment in small amounts like the Asians do -- is usually not a problem.
But when you go soy-crazy, like some Americans do, thinking soy will cure everything from obesity to high cholesterol to menopausal hot flashes, then you move from eating soy as a food, to medicating yourself with high-quantities of soy as a hormone-like drug.
Right now, an estimated 59 million Americans have a thyroid condition. And that number is on the rise. Some experts believe that the growing use of soy, as a filler ingredient, and that soy-crazy overconsumption (as well as a generation of soy formula babies coming to adulthood), may be a key factor helping drive this increase in thyroid conditions.
My recommendation: stay away from all the soy powders, pills, and potions...stick with fermented soy foods, in small quantities. BUT, be on the lookout for signs that you're sensitive or allergic to soy in general. AND, if you're a soy consumer and you notice any potential thyroid symptoms, reconsider your use of soy (and see your doctor for evaluation.)
(Keep in mind that the Asians also have a fair amount of iodine in their diet, and there is some evidence that iodine may help modulate some negative effects that soy may have on the thyroid. So, toss a little bit of seaweed into that miso soup! )
Mary Shomon
Thyroid-Info.com / Thyroid.About.com
Author: The Thyroid Diet, Thyroid Hormone Breakthrough., Living Well With Hypothyroidism and others...
P.S. An excellent source of information on soy is the Soy Online Service
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jul 9, 2007 7:29 AM
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I'm suspicious of any "miracle food" (soy, broccoli, wheatgrass) that promises increased health benefits in relation to how much you consume. Oat bran is not arterial Drano, but that's how we approach health maintenance: pour a lot of it down the hatch, see how it does.
Next thing you know, it'll be pomegranate juice that will be exposed as having detriments, as it seems to be the current miracle substance on which one can purportedly, practically, subsist indefinitely and have Total Health.
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Posted by: vision on Jul 9, 2007 7:44 AM
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However, when I read stuff like "glutamate . . . which cause(s) brain-cell death," I wonder if I can trust anything in the article. Glutamate is the brain's primary excitatory neurotransmitter. I wouldn't doubt that too much of it could cause neurotoxicity, but then drinking too much water can kill you via hyponatremia.
When I find lines like this in an article, I come to the conclusion that either, A) the author is pulling every string to try to prove a point, even if dishonestly, or B) the background research was spotty, and certain facts were taken way out of context.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 9, 2007 8:22 AM
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Hemp Vs. Soy
We may sound biased when we say that the major difference is that hemp is everything soy isn't, but it is true. Ok, ok, soy does have more overall protein, but hemp has the most digestible protein. Ok, it is true that soy beans expand when you add water to them, allowing for less expensive products, but that just shows how much power is packed into a tiny little hemp seed, it doesn't need to expand. Soy contains some EFAs nothing to compare to the incredible EFA content of hemp seeds. A major problem with soy are oligosaccharides. What are those you ask? They are a short chain sugar molecule found in soy, and mixed with the proteins in soy, they give you gas, sometimes extreme gas. Hemp boosts immune response, soy makes you fart.
Many of the products currently made with soy can be made with hemp. Hemp seed would make them more nutritious, better tasting and would provide farmers with an excellent crop over the genetically modified nastyness of soy.
P.S.: Now when will Alternet start calling for abolishing the DEA and FDA?
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Posted by: PeterW on Jul 9, 2007 8:28 AM
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The soil that industrial corn and soy grow on has been devastated. The nutrients have long since disappeared. Fertilizing only adds potassium, nitrogen and phosphorus. This does not come close to replace the nutrients in healthy soil. And guess what? If the plant doesn't get the proper nutrition, either does the person eating the plant.
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Posted by: Lady X on Jul 9, 2007 8:47 AM
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The Joy of Soy and The Disinformation Campaign
www.soytoy.com/soyvey
www.youngagain.org
Soy Isoflavones Are Very Beneficial
www.animalliberationfront.com
What About Soy? John Robbins
www.puresoy.com
The industries/corporations that have the most to lose while in competition with soy are:
The Dairy industry
The Meat industry
The Pharmaceutical Industry: Premarin (syntheic hormones
cancer causing) Thyroid medications, any thing related to
hormones that can be prescribed as drugs.
This is a well orchestratd spin campaign against soy that has been going on since the late 90's or earlier.
Bogus science is not proof of anything other than corruption within huge corporations with agendas.
Follow thte money. We are woth more to them sick than healthy.
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Posted by: epskionline on Jul 9, 2007 9:48 AM
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I do think it's sensible to keep soy protein consumption down to about 9g a day, but Americans eat too much protein anyway, and they forget how much protein is in common foods, like other beans and, of course, grains.
The running theme through most of the scientific literature I've been examining over the past few years is that we should be eating predominantly plant-based foods in their most whole, most bio-available form for optimal health. We should be eating less at each meal, more often.
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Posted by: Brucewxx on Jul 9, 2007 11:25 AM
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I found most of the diet problem lays in our culture of "black or white" which means to search for all of extremes in order to get a QUICK fix on a complicated problem. No single food or diet can solve your health problem and everyone will die someday. Even excersize is bad if you do it too much as it will worn prematurely. Just enjoy all of the good food and be moderate about the amound you copnsume. Eat less processed food and have some excercise. Be happy and enjoy your life.
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Posted by: Gisele on Jul 9, 2007 12:56 PM
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I've been to a number of specialists for work-ups and advice, and I'm currently taking part in a genetic study of breast cancer. The one thing in common with all specialists and my guru at the local health food store has been - NO soy products if estrogen related cancers are part of your family history.
Soy and Aspartame have about the same rank with me - the only thing that's really healthy about either one of them is the bank accounts of their respective corporations.
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Posted by: BazookaTooth on Jul 9, 2007 1:50 PM
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I'm a mix of Hungarian, Russian, Scottish, English, Irish, Timucuan (Native Floridian, a tribe that was wiped out shortly after Florida was colonized), Seminole (another Floridian tribe), and perhaps West African. Guess that means I can eat anything, except perhaps the panak paneer and samosas I was anticipating tonight.
Seriously, can't it be said that soy is just one healthy food among many and should be eaten in moderation without resorting to scare tactics? Sheesh!
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Posted by: DeAnander on Jul 9, 2007 3:22 PM
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this led us to the idea that food could be understood by chemical analysis and that if it contained a certain quota of measurable discrete components -- protein, vitamins, minerals -- that were "the same as" another food, then the two foods were equivalent. so white flour that was artificially "enriched" with synthesised vitamins, etc. should be functionally equivalent to whole grain flour or sprouted grains, and just as good for you. we should note that a big driver for this attitude to food was the military requirement for soldier's rations; the military wanted to quantify the discrete nutrition components necessary to keep a soldier functional in the field, and prove to its own satisfaction that these requirements could be met by meals packaged for long term storage and transport. the MDR chart grew out of this wartime effort to standardise and quantify food needs.
this same attitude led us to the "soil sciences" of C19 and C20 which modelled soil as a sterile growing medium enriched with specific chemicals and minerals, each of which would benefit plant growtth in a particular, isolated, measurable way. and that led us to chemical agriculture.
what this reductionist approach ignores, in its effort to analyse by isolation, is (1) interaction -- the complex interplay of compounds of minerals, chemicals, etc., (2) nonlinear effcts -- i.e. more is not linearly better or worse than less, there are large effects from small changes and vice versa, knee functions all over the place, living systems are in fragile equilibrium and constantly adjusting and reacting, and perhaps most importantly (3) the difference between living and non-living foods, soils. etc.
the reductionist approach insists that an irradiated food is the same as (can be reduced to the same chemical analysis with our current granularity of analytical tools) the same food raw or fresh. the problem is that the tools of reductionist chemical analysis that we thought were so sophisticated and kewl in C19 are actually incredibly crude compared to the complexity of life processes. the phusics of *life* -- the difference between alive and dead -- is occupying some of the finest brains in quantum physics working at subatomic levels of granularity.
if we applied the current mindset of "food science" and industrial agriculture to human bodies, we would say that I am exactly the same dead as alive because my freshly-dead body contains the same chemical and mineral compounds in the same proportions as my recently-alove body. what the C19 reductionists have been unable to grapple with -- due to their domination/dissection oriented ideologies and the crudeness of their mental and physival toolkits -- is the complexity of living systems.
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Posted by: DeAnander on Jul 9, 2007 3:22 PM
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both the cry that "soy is good for you" and the cry that "soy is bad for you" in this article come from the reductionist tradition that pretends a food (soy beans) can be understood by isolating its chemical components and assessing their effects in concentrated doses, i.e. regarding the food as merely an inefficiently-packaged form of vitamin pills. this is a fundamentally wrong way to look at life and at food, and it's literally killing us and the biotic infrastructure on which our livesj depend.
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Posted by: CyberBrook on Jul 9, 2007 7:43 PM
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Here's the soy section from my Eco-Eating web site at http:www.brook.com/veg :
• 17. Soy:
Soy is a great substitution for meat and other animal products. Consuming soy—e.g., miso, soy beans (edamame), soy flour, soy “meat substitutes”, soy milk, soy nuts, soy yogurt, tempeh, tofu, TVP, etc.—provides all 9 essential amino acids as well as ample isoflavones, which have special protective properties against various forms of cancer, high cholesterol, and heart disease, and can help with kidney and bone health, the symptoms of menopause, and cognitive ability.
Soy also takes a lot less land (6-17 times), water (4.4-26 times), oil and other fossil fuels (6-20 times), biocides (6 times), and other resources to produce nutritious soy than it does to produce an equivalent amount of unhealthy and eco-destructive meat. Unfortunately, much of the soy crop is fed to animals raised for meat. Meat loses to soy in every category.
“Many soy products should be beneficial to cardiovascular and overall health because of their high content of polyunsaturated fats, fiber, vitamins, and minerals—and low content of saturated fat.”
F.M. Sacks et al., “Soy Protein, Isoflavones, and Cardiovascular Health”, Circulation, 1/17/06
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Jul 9, 2007 8:14 PM
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Grow a garden. Free organic veggies, free exercise.
Get some chickens. Organic eggs, free bug control.
Grind your own wheat and make your own bread.
Grow an apple tree. (or two or three-)
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Posted by: Phenix on Jul 10, 2007 9:39 AM
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I was starting to go towards a vegetarian diet again but this time I was going to eat beans and nuts as my regular source of protein and whey as my after work out drink mixed with 3 servings of various fruit. For awhile it all worked out but I do like my chicken and I really do not like kidney beans. I'll try again soon but I'll never go overboard with soy. I don't know why people are not aware of soy's hormonal properties but I was also amazed that people thought that Hussein was responsible for 9-11. America is truly home of the most ignorant people on Earth.
Soy is only good in moderation and should never be used as a meal substitute. If you need to eat beans try pinto or black beans. Both are versatile and healthy. Another great bean is the Chick Pea. I love all three but you need to include other nuts if you want to be healthy.
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Posted by: theo on Jul 11, 2007 7:29 AM
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Those are all true! I cannot dispute that.
What I find funny is that you could take those same statements and apply them to the meat & dairy industry.
Cows are given hormones so they producemore milk.
Meat and/or dairy products are (hidden) in so many processed foods it's ridiculous. Gelatin, whey, Vitamin D3...the list goes on. A vegan cannot buy a loaf of bread or a box of cereal without reading all the ingredients first (which I would recommend everyone do anyway).
Meat, chicken, dairy, none of this is natural. There are tons of antibiotics and hormones and whatever else, "science" to which these animals have been subjected.
A vegetarian who eats soy sausage for breakfast, tofu dogs at lunch, soy burger for dinner, is not eating well. Just like an omnivore who eats bacon for breakfast, baloney for lunch, and ham for dinner is not eating well.
As others have said, use some common sense! Don't claim vegetarianism made you sick when you didn't eat a healthy diet. "Chips and soda are vegetarian, why do I feel sick?"
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Posted by: richholland on Jul 11, 2007 8:21 AM
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2 make a soya plantation
3. find greenos who eat the stuff, sell to McDonalds to feed their crazy cows
My late granmother died 95 years old, she was never sick,
eating peasoup, rye bread with butter and bacon.
Overweighted but moving, cleaning the house raising children and taking care of the grandchildren.
Her moment of Glory wasnt to be president of he USA but to be on the party was the children and the grandchildren and the grandgrandchildren
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Posted by: jparsons on Jul 9, 2007 12:45 AM
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Having said that, the foods that processed soy replaces have a much scarier list of diseases associated - heart disease, cancer, strokes, etc. Enjoy soy!
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Posted by: ateo on Jul 9, 2007 2:26 AM
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I actually decided to add a bit of soy in the form of soy burgers to my diet recently. I probably only eat one every 2 or 3 days. Other than soy sauce that's the only soy in my diet so I'm probably fine with that amount.
This really makes soy sound like a bad deal for men though. "Reduces brain size", "lowers testosterone levels", "reduced sex drive." Horrible.
I don't eat a varied diet because it is simply too difficult to stock that many foods in the home in small quantities.
Try to eat healthy and then they tell you peanut butter causes cancer. What's the world coming to?
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 9, 2007 5:59 AM
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Usually, the western visitor finds it quite disgusting.
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Posted by: DrSuess on Jul 9, 2007 6:54 AM
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Soy is the most processed and modified food that exists. We don't have Asian soy in this country - it is all hybrid or genetically modified. Because of my soy alllergy, I have become aware of how food is modified, and made artificial. This is probably a good thing- because it makes me much more aware of the food that I eat.
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Posted by: MaryShomon on Jul 9, 2007 7:00 AM
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In the typical American tradition, they believe that if a little soy is good, well, huge amounts must be that much better.
And then they develop a thyroid condition. Or their thyroid condition, once manageable, worsens.
It's a matter of balance, and degree. Ultimately, unless you have a soy allergy, a small amount of soy -- using fermented forms as a food condiment in small amounts like the Asians do -- is usually not a problem.
But when you go soy-crazy, like some Americans do, thinking soy will cure everything from obesity to high cholesterol to menopausal hot flashes, then you move from eating soy as a food, to medicating yourself with high-quantities of soy as a hormone-like drug.
Right now, an estimated 59 million Americans have a thyroid condition. And that number is on the rise. Some experts believe that the growing use of soy, as a filler ingredient, and that soy-crazy overconsumption (as well as a generation of soy formula babies coming to adulthood), may be a key factor helping drive this increase in thyroid conditions.
My recommendation: stay away from all the soy powders, pills, and potions...stick with fermented soy foods, in small quantities. BUT, be on the lookout for signs that you're sensitive or allergic to soy in general. AND, if you're a soy consumer and you notice any potential thyroid symptoms, reconsider your use of soy (and see your doctor for evaluation.)
(Keep in mind that the Asians also have a fair amount of iodine in their diet, and there is some evidence that iodine may help modulate some negative effects that soy may have on the thyroid. So, toss a little bit of seaweed into that miso soup! )
Mary Shomon
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Author: The Thyroid Diet, Thyroid Hormone Breakthrough., Living Well With Hypothyroidism and others...
P.S. An excellent source of information on soy is the Soy Online Service
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jul 9, 2007 7:29 AM
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I'm suspicious of any "miracle food" (soy, broccoli, wheatgrass) that promises increased health benefits in relation to how much you consume. Oat bran is not arterial Drano, but that's how we approach health maintenance: pour a lot of it down the hatch, see how it does.
Next thing you know, it'll be pomegranate juice that will be exposed as having detriments, as it seems to be the current miracle substance on which one can purportedly, practically, subsist indefinitely and have Total Health.
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Posted by: vision on Jul 9, 2007 7:44 AM
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However, when I read stuff like "glutamate . . . which cause(s) brain-cell death," I wonder if I can trust anything in the article. Glutamate is the brain's primary excitatory neurotransmitter. I wouldn't doubt that too much of it could cause neurotoxicity, but then drinking too much water can kill you via hyponatremia.
When I find lines like this in an article, I come to the conclusion that either, A) the author is pulling every string to try to prove a point, even if dishonestly, or B) the background research was spotty, and certain facts were taken way out of context.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 9, 2007 8:22 AM
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Hemp Vs. Soy
We may sound biased when we say that the major difference is that hemp is everything soy isn't, but it is true. Ok, ok, soy does have more overall protein, but hemp has the most digestible protein. Ok, it is true that soy beans expand when you add water to them, allowing for less expensive products, but that just shows how much power is packed into a tiny little hemp seed, it doesn't need to expand. Soy contains some EFAs nothing to compare to the incredible EFA content of hemp seeds. A major problem with soy are oligosaccharides. What are those you ask? They are a short chain sugar molecule found in soy, and mixed with the proteins in soy, they give you gas, sometimes extreme gas. Hemp boosts immune response, soy makes you fart.
Many of the products currently made with soy can be made with hemp. Hemp seed would make them more nutritious, better tasting and would provide farmers with an excellent crop over the genetically modified nastyness of soy.
P.S.: Now when will Alternet start calling for abolishing the DEA and FDA?
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Posted by: PeterW on Jul 9, 2007 8:28 AM
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The soil that industrial corn and soy grow on has been devastated. The nutrients have long since disappeared. Fertilizing only adds potassium, nitrogen and phosphorus. This does not come close to replace the nutrients in healthy soil. And guess what? If the plant doesn't get the proper nutrition, either does the person eating the plant.
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Posted by: Lady X on Jul 9, 2007 8:47 AM
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The Joy of Soy and The Disinformation Campaign
www.soytoy.com/soyvey
www.youngagain.org
Soy Isoflavones Are Very Beneficial
www.animalliberationfront.com
What About Soy? John Robbins
www.puresoy.com
The industries/corporations that have the most to lose while in competition with soy are:
The Dairy industry
The Meat industry
The Pharmaceutical Industry: Premarin (syntheic hormones
cancer causing) Thyroid medications, any thing related to
hormones that can be prescribed as drugs.
This is a well orchestratd spin campaign against soy that has been going on since the late 90's or earlier.
Bogus science is not proof of anything other than corruption within huge corporations with agendas.
Follow thte money. We are woth more to them sick than healthy.
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Posted by: epskionline on Jul 9, 2007 9:48 AM
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I do think it's sensible to keep soy protein consumption down to about 9g a day, but Americans eat too much protein anyway, and they forget how much protein is in common foods, like other beans and, of course, grains.
The running theme through most of the scientific literature I've been examining over the past few years is that we should be eating predominantly plant-based foods in their most whole, most bio-available form for optimal health. We should be eating less at each meal, more often.
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I found most of the diet problem lays in our culture of "black or white" which means to search for all of extremes in order to get a QUICK fix on a complicated problem. No single food or diet can solve your health problem and everyone will die someday. Even excersize is bad if you do it too much as it will worn prematurely. Just enjoy all of the good food and be moderate about the amound you copnsume. Eat less processed food and have some excercise. Be happy and enjoy your life.
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I've been to a number of specialists for work-ups and advice, and I'm currently taking part in a genetic study of breast cancer. The one thing in common with all specialists and my guru at the local health food store has been - NO soy products if estrogen related cancers are part of your family history.
Soy and Aspartame have about the same rank with me - the only thing that's really healthy about either one of them is the bank accounts of their respective corporations.
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Posted by: BazookaTooth on Jul 9, 2007 1:50 PM
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I'm a mix of Hungarian, Russian, Scottish, English, Irish, Timucuan (Native Floridian, a tribe that was wiped out shortly after Florida was colonized), Seminole (another Floridian tribe), and perhaps West African. Guess that means I can eat anything, except perhaps the panak paneer and samosas I was anticipating tonight.
Seriously, can't it be said that soy is just one healthy food among many and should be eaten in moderation without resorting to scare tactics? Sheesh!
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Posted by: DeAnander on Jul 9, 2007 3:22 PM
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this led us to the idea that food could be understood by chemical analysis and that if it contained a certain quota of measurable discrete components -- protein, vitamins, minerals -- that were "the same as" another food, then the two foods were equivalent. so white flour that was artificially "enriched" with synthesised vitamins, etc. should be functionally equivalent to whole grain flour or sprouted grains, and just as good for you. we should note that a big driver for this attitude to food was the military requirement for soldier's rations; the military wanted to quantify the discrete nutrition components necessary to keep a soldier functional in the field, and prove to its own satisfaction that these requirements could be met by meals packaged for long term storage and transport. the MDR chart grew out of this wartime effort to standardise and quantify food needs.
this same attitude led us to the "soil sciences" of C19 and C20 which modelled soil as a sterile growing medium enriched with specific chemicals and minerals, each of which would benefit plant growtth in a particular, isolated, measurable way. and that led us to chemical agriculture.
what this reductionist approach ignores, in its effort to analyse by isolation, is (1) interaction -- the complex interplay of compounds of minerals, chemicals, etc., (2) nonlinear effcts -- i.e. more is not linearly better or worse than less, there are large effects from small changes and vice versa, knee functions all over the place, living systems are in fragile equilibrium and constantly adjusting and reacting, and perhaps most importantly (3) the difference between living and non-living foods, soils. etc.
the reductionist approach insists that an irradiated food is the same as (can be reduced to the same chemical analysis with our current granularity of analytical tools) the same food raw or fresh. the problem is that the tools of reductionist chemical analysis that we thought were so sophisticated and kewl in C19 are actually incredibly crude compared to the complexity of life processes. the phusics of *life* -- the difference between alive and dead -- is occupying some of the finest brains in quantum physics working at subatomic levels of granularity.
if we applied the current mindset of "food science" and industrial agriculture to human bodies, we would say that I am exactly the same dead as alive because my freshly-dead body contains the same chemical and mineral compounds in the same proportions as my recently-alove body. what the C19 reductionists have been unable to grapple with -- due to their domination/dissection oriented ideologies and the crudeness of their mental and physival toolkits -- is the complexity of living systems.
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Posted by: DeAnander on Jul 9, 2007 3:22 PM
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both the cry that "soy is good for you" and the cry that "soy is bad for you" in this article come from the reductionist tradition that pretends a food (soy beans) can be understood by isolating its chemical components and assessing their effects in concentrated doses, i.e. regarding the food as merely an inefficiently-packaged form of vitamin pills. this is a fundamentally wrong way to look at life and at food, and it's literally killing us and the biotic infrastructure on which our livesj depend.
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recommended reading: Mae Wan Ho, The Rainbow and the Worm; K Barad, Meeting the Universe Half Way
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Posted by: ld7440 on Jul 9, 2007 7:23 PM
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Posted by: CyberBrook on Jul 9, 2007 7:43 PM
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Here's the soy section from my Eco-Eating web site at http:www.brook.com/veg :
• 17. Soy:
Soy is a great substitution for meat and other animal products. Consuming soy—e.g., miso, soy beans (edamame), soy flour, soy “meat substitutes”, soy milk, soy nuts, soy yogurt, tempeh, tofu, TVP, etc.—provides all 9 essential amino acids as well as ample isoflavones, which have special protective properties against various forms of cancer, high cholesterol, and heart disease, and can help with kidney and bone health, the symptoms of menopause, and cognitive ability.
Soy also takes a lot less land (6-17 times), water (4.4-26 times), oil and other fossil fuels (6-20 times), biocides (6 times), and other resources to produce nutritious soy than it does to produce an equivalent amount of unhealthy and eco-destructive meat. Unfortunately, much of the soy crop is fed to animals raised for meat. Meat loses to soy in every category.
“Many soy products should be beneficial to cardiovascular and overall health because of their high content of polyunsaturated fats, fiber, vitamins, and minerals—and low content of saturated fat.”
F.M. Sacks et al., “Soy Protein, Isoflavones, and Cardiovascular Health”, Circulation, 1/17/06
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Jul 9, 2007 8:14 PM
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Grow a garden. Free organic veggies, free exercise.
Get some chickens. Organic eggs, free bug control.
Grind your own wheat and make your own bread.
Grow an apple tree. (or two or three-)
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Posted by: jontan88 on Jul 10, 2007 9:33 AM
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Posted by: Phenix on Jul 10, 2007 9:39 AM
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I was starting to go towards a vegetarian diet again but this time I was going to eat beans and nuts as my regular source of protein and whey as my after work out drink mixed with 3 servings of various fruit. For awhile it all worked out but I do like my chicken and I really do not like kidney beans. I'll try again soon but I'll never go overboard with soy. I don't know why people are not aware of soy's hormonal properties but I was also amazed that people thought that Hussein was responsible for 9-11. America is truly home of the most ignorant people on Earth.
Soy is only good in moderation and should never be used as a meal substitute. If you need to eat beans try pinto or black beans. Both are versatile and healthy. Another great bean is the Chick Pea. I love all three but you need to include other nuts if you want to be healthy.
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Posted by: theo on Jul 11, 2007 7:29 AM
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Those are all true! I cannot dispute that.
What I find funny is that you could take those same statements and apply them to the meat & dairy industry.
Cows are given hormones so they producemore milk.
Meat and/or dairy products are (hidden) in so many processed foods it's ridiculous. Gelatin, whey, Vitamin D3...the list goes on. A vegan cannot buy a loaf of bread or a box of cereal without reading all the ingredients first (which I would recommend everyone do anyway).
Meat, chicken, dairy, none of this is natural. There are tons of antibiotics and hormones and whatever else, "science" to which these animals have been subjected.
A vegetarian who eats soy sausage for breakfast, tofu dogs at lunch, soy burger for dinner, is not eating well. Just like an omnivore who eats bacon for breakfast, baloney for lunch, and ham for dinner is not eating well.
As others have said, use some common sense! Don't claim vegetarianism made you sick when you didn't eat a healthy diet. "Chips and soda are vegetarian, why do I feel sick?"
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Posted by: richholland on Jul 11, 2007 8:21 AM
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2 make a soya plantation
3. find greenos who eat the stuff, sell to McDonalds to feed their crazy cows
My late granmother died 95 years old, she was never sick,
eating peasoup, rye bread with butter and bacon.
Overweighted but moving, cleaning the house raising children and taking care of the grandchildren.
Her moment of Glory wasnt to be president of he USA but to be on the party was the children and the grandchildren and the grandgrandchildren
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office is taking calls voting for Impeachment of Bush/Cheney at 202-225-0100. PLEASE CALL TODAY. At the toll free capitol switchboard #s below, you can also call your particular district’s congressional representative to insist that they support impeachment for Cheney. E.g., for Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s H Res 333 for Cheney; please say:
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LANIC requests that Americans call today…Not tomorrow or next week. Every call adds to the extraordinary grasswoots and nationwide movement’s pressures on House Speaker Pelosi to act now .before further innocent lives are lost in Iraq and elsewhere. Last week 28 Americans lost their lives. Over the July 4, 2007 weekend over 400 Iraqis lost their lives…
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Please send her a pro-impeachment email and a specific call to endorse H Res 333. Note: On Saturdays/Sundays, Pelosi’s office has a comment line at which you can leave a voicemail. Your message will be transcribed and relayed to her. Please do encourage your family/friends to contact the same number. Refer them to www.bcimpeach.com for the actual telephone #s & contact info.
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