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MS Sufferer Montel Williams Makes the Case for Medical Pot
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Dear Governor Rell,
I'm writing you today to ask for your support for HB 6715, the Compassionate Use Act. This is an important piece of legislation that should become law.
Outside my work as a talk-show host, I have for several years spoken out about my use of medical marijuana for the pain caused by multiple sclerosis. That surprised a few people, but recent research has proven that I was right -- right about marijuana's medical benefits and right about how urgent it is for states such as Connecticut to change their laws so that sick people aren't treated as criminals.
Back in March, I came to Hartford to participate in a press conference with patients, legislators and caregivers, and all of us shared powerful personal stories about what this legislation really means. It was a powerful experience. The bipartisan support for this legislation is extraordinary, and is indicative of the moral urgency behind this issue.
If you see me on television, I look healthy. What you don't see is the mind-numbing pain searing through my legs like hot pokers.
My doctors wrote me prescriptions for some of the strongest painkillers available. I took Percocet, Vicodin and OxyContin on a regular basis -- knowingly risking overdose just trying to make the pain bearable. But these powerful, expensive drugs brought me no relief. I couldn't sleep. I was agitated, my legs kicked involuntarily in bed, and the pain was so bad I found myself crying in the middle of the night.
All these heavy-duty narcotics made me almost incoherent. I couldn't take them when I had to work, because they turned me into a zombie. Worse, all of these drugs are highly addictive, and one thing I knew was that I didn't want to become a junkie. When someone suggested I try marijuana, I was skeptical -- but desperate. To my amazement, it worked when these other legal drugs failed. Three puffs and within minutes the excruciating pain in my legs subsided. I had my first restful sleep in months.
I am not alone. A new study from the University of California, published Feb. 13 in the highly regarded medical journal Neurology, leaves no doubt about that. You see, people with MS suffer from a particular type of pain called neuropathic pain -- pain caused by damage to the nerves. It's common in MS, but also in many other illnesses, including diabetes and HIV/AIDS. It's typically a burning or stabbing sensation, and conventional pain drugs don't help much, whatever the specific illness.
The new study, conducted by Dr. Donald Abrams, looked at neuropathic pain in HIV/AIDS patients. About one-third of people with HIV eventually suffer this kind of pain, and there are no FDA-approved treatments. For some, it gets so bad that they can't walk. This was what is known as a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, the "gold standard" of medical research. And marijuana worked.
The very first marijuana cigarette reduced the pain by an average of 72 percent, without serious side effects. What makes this even more impressive is that U.S. researchers studying marijuana are required to use marijuana supplied by the federal government -- marijuana that is famous for being weak and of poor quality. So there is every reason to believe that studies such as this one underestimate the potential relief that high-quality marijuana could provide.
Medical marijuana has allowed me to live a productive, fruitful life despite having multiple sclerosis. Many thousands of others all over this country -- less well-known than me but whose stories are just as real -- have experienced the same thing.
The U.S. government knows marijuana works as a medicine. Our government actually provides medical marijuana each month to five patients in a program that started about 25 years ago but was closed to new patients in 1992. One of the patients in that program, Florida stockbroker Irvin Rosenfeld, was a guest on my show two years ago.
But 38 states -- including Connecticut -- still subject patients with illnesses such as MS, cancer or HIV/AIDS to arrest and jail for using medical marijuana, even if their doctor has recommended it. It's long past time for that to change.
Here in Connecticut, a bipartisan group of legislators has introduced a bill to protect patients like me from arrest and jail for using medical marijuana when it's recommended by a doctor.
Similar laws are working well in 12 states right now, with New Mexico passing its law just a few months ago. These laws work, Governor. And public safety has not been an issue --according to professor Mitch Earlywine at the State University of New York, states with medical marijuana laws have actually seen a decrease in marijuana use by adolescents.
Governor, this bill deserves your support. Sick people shouldn't be treated as criminals.
Sincerely yours,
Montel Williams
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Posted by: dustinblythe on Jun 13, 2007 4:44 AM
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In a somewhat related vein, we should also allow farmers and natural food companies to grow, harvest and market hemp products in the U.S. Hemp has been shown to have some of the best, most complete protein for a plant based source and is also very high in Omega 3 fatty acids. All this without having THC, the hallucinogenic active ingredient in it's close cousin marijuana. Both of these products, medical marijuana and hemp, should be allowed in the U.S. Medical marijuana should be made available to patients by their doctors with strict oversight and hemp should be allowed provided there is strict testing and oversight which is something the hemp industry already does.
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 13, 2007 5:35 AM
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Personally I've never used pot, though at the last concert I went to there were plenty of people lighting up around me. Despite conflicting studies on both sides saying either pot is or is not damaging I have simply observed people in my own life and noticed that I can usually pick out a "pot head" with little difficulty. Not to mention the people I've known who have let their life go down the toilet and medicated themselves with pot which seemingly prevented them from giving a shit.
That leads me to believe that pot does indeed have long term effects on the brain and body. Once I spotted a former meth user as well and he was none too pleased.
Drugs have permanent side effects/impact on the brain and body.
Anyway, none of that matters if:
you're terminally ill
you don't care about yourself
you're retired and/or wealthy enough to support yourself
The reason drugs are illegal (for poor people) is because they negatively impact your ability to be exploited by your social betters for profit. Society believes it has a right to maximize its profit from your labor.
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» I'm not comparing the two, I'm saying I can spot habitual drug users in social settings
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» And how do you know you are right? Do you actually ask? Or do you just assume youa re right?
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» Yes I do, sometimes
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» Spotted a former meth user?? Uhm, idiot.. meth actually DOES change the way people look and behave.
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Posted by: OneAcre2012 on Jun 13, 2007 5:36 AM
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They might be sick...but i don't think jail is gonna heal them...'i'm glad they caught me...what was i doing, ruining my life with that marijuana...i'd like to thank bubba, my rehabilitator...' -Bill Hicks
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Posted by: dannrusso on Jun 13, 2007 5:50 AM
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I have very good friends who see pot as a lesser evil than alcohol and maybe after dinner or while chilling out on the deck on a nice afternoon in the summer will blaze up. This should NOT be illegal. Of course, any drug when used to excess will lead to damage - just look at tobacco and alcohol and the groups that have been set up to help addicts. Alcoholics are sent by judges to church basements, not jail, and that's not right. That's not justice at all.
If you want to take the other view, I am also a teacher, and every year, there are kids whose parents get them on ritalin to "help them concentrate." Whatever happened to "you can't go out/play on the computer/talk on the phone until you finish your homework"?
And there is one MORE view. Look at the cost and taxes the government makes on cigarettes. Just extraoplate that not even just to people who are ill, but people who could very easily be regular users. The financial gain for the government is enormous.
So, on many many levels and in many different ways of thinking, legalizing pot is not only correct, but it's morally right.
And then companies can get rid of those stupid pee-in-a-cup tests (which pretty much is an invasion of privacy) on job interviews.
peace.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 13, 2007 6:11 AM
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After the initial shock wore off, the first thing I thought about was buying marijuana to offset nausea from the anticipated chemo. Fortunately, I'm okay -- for now.
If I do get cancer someday, I would like that option, numbing nausea with pot. But noooooooo! Big Brother says it would be bad for me -- as if getting stoned is worse than puking my guts and losing 75 pounds like my father did before he died from lung cancer at age 83.
If President Bush ever got cancer, Air Force One would fly in Acapulco Gold from Mexico, assuming that hasn't happened already. It's all about manipulation -- power-tripping politicians controlling our bodies instead of us, the owners.
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Posted by: stitchwitched on Jun 13, 2007 7:04 AM
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 13, 2007 7:13 AM
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On one side, reactionary fearmongers, religious nuts and lazy narcotics cops. On the other, the rehab industry.
Why would these groups want legalized marijuana? If pot were legal, these guys would have to find real jobs.
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Posted by: richholland on Jun 13, 2007 7:32 AM
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if you use it for pleasure you can buy in coffeeshops which lose their permission if they sell also alcohol or other hard drugs.
if a doctor prescribes it you go to a drugstore and the health insurance(everybody in the country has one) refunds it.
the only problem is;
1. many small dealers are forced to normal work to obtain an income.
2. the sale of hard drugs is lower then before.
3. some people drink less alcohol or smoke less tobacco.
4. The american government complaint that the dutch authorities got 19% turnover tax and income tax.
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Posted by: Roverton on Jun 13, 2007 8:03 AM
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Someone's going to lose a fortune when it does see it's legal day in the sun. It helps too many people now.
Too late to stop it. The Christian Right fears it because those in the congregation who use it might have an actual chat with God. The Demono-Cons can't afford to have them find out who they've actually been working for down here these days.
The one who doesn't love God's children.
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 13, 2007 8:51 AM
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Researchers are also, not surprisingly, finding an anti-inflammatory effect from cannabinoids (pain, after all, is an immune response like inflammation).
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Posted by: picket on Jun 13, 2007 9:15 AM
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Let us qualify the term "Narcotic" in describing Cannabis. I do not believe it is a narcotic in the true sense of the term. It is not physically addictive like opium as an example.
I wrote down a quote from Bridget Brenner, NYC Special Narcotic Prosecutor since 1998, when she was discussing the Rockefeller Drug Laws. ........"today we handle 4,000 felony narcotic cases every year....when I say 'narcotics' I mean cocaine and heroin, marijuana is not a narcotic drug".
The above quote is from a 3/27/06 article. BTW New York State is about to vote on medical MJ...Gov Spitzer will likely sign the bill. The news articles I've read Spitzer refers to Cannabis as a narcotic. I think we need a clarification.
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Posted by: Ottosu on Jun 13, 2007 12:06 PM
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That said, Kombucha is a fermented drink made with green tea and sugar. It forms a skin that looks like a mushroom which you use for the next batch. It's quite tasty, and after the second ferment it has a nice fizz to it. We add a small piece of pineapple to add a little flavor, but by itself it's similar to champagne . . . but not quite that good. I've read that Kombucha (which cured Ronnie Ray-Gun of cancer) also ameliorated some people of MS. I've read the testimoney of someone who hadn't taken his meds for MS in a year, and was looking forward to life. He was 84. :) I've read testimoney about people being cured, at least relieved, of Parkinsons and a whole host of other maladies from the mushroom tea.
You can google tons of information on Kombucha. Google's cook serves a hundred glasses of kombucha a day for the employees. You can buy it, but homemade is best. There's a number of recipes on the web on how to make it, and a few sites that sell the starter.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 13, 2007 12:29 PM
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Don Kennedy 4 May 2007 Science Mag
"...The reason to give marijuana some attention here is a legal case that has wedged open an important chapter in the relationship between law and science. It pits some health activists against a law in the United States called the Data Quality Act (DQA). The turnaround is that DQA has usually helped industry fight off regulation. Not this time; here's the background."
"Many basic scientists would be uneasy if their primary data--not what's in their publications, but what's in the lab notebooks--would be available for others to fiddle around with and then publish a different conclusion. But in another scientific culture, that's routine. In the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, where science has regulatory outcomes, inspectors go regularly into labs to look at the books."
"Well, these cultures occasionally merge to generate political action. Back in the '90s when the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency was revising the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for ozone and small particles, its staff used the Six Cities Study, a Harvard School of Public Health analysis demonstrating a correlation between particulate concentrations and mortality. Recognizing that Six Cities could escalate the risk of particulate regulation, industry demanded the primary data tapes so that they could reanalyze them. Harvard said no, but soon Congress took over."
"First, Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL) introduced an Amendment to the 1999 Omnibus Appropriation Bill charging the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to guarantee access, under the Freedom of Information Act, to data produced with the use of federally funded research..."
"....DQA's legislative history is sparse, because like the Shelby Amendment, it was tacked onto an appropriations bill in the dark. Its real author was an industry lobbyist named Jim Tozzi, who had also worked on the Shelby Amendment. Thus, the DQA is often called "Son of Shelby."
"It should not surprise us that the DQA has seen heavy use. The ink on the OMB regulation had scarcely dried when the Center for Regulatory Effectiveness, headed by none other than Jim Tozzi, urged its constituents to use DQA to challenge the "junk science" offered to support health and environmental regulation...."
"Now, back to marijuana. Americans for Safe Access (ASA), a group advocating marijuana availability for severely ill patients needing pain or nausea relief, petitioned the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) under the DQA in 2004. They alleged that HHS made false statements in its publications and its Web site, in particular that marijuana "has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States." ASA cited an Institute of Medicine study that acknowledged benefits from the use of marijuana and cannabinoid derivatives and referenced double-blind clinical trials demonstrating relief from pain and vomiting. HHS delayed a response for months beyond its own deadline, rejected the petition, and then rejected the appeal."
"ASA finally brought its case to federal court, asking it to substitute for the agency's false statement one that says, "Adequate and well-recognized studies show the efficacy of marijuana in the treatment of nausea, loss of appetite, pain and spasticity." Will the judge make HHS change, giving ASA the injunctive relief it seeks? We'll have to wait to see whether this case turns the tables on DQA, but it's already clear that HHS has violated its own DQA guidelines--going, you might say, one toke over the line."
There you have it. The US govenment won't allow private citizens to look at government data on health effects of cannabis.
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Posted by: garry minor on Jun 13, 2007 12:58 PM
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The cannabis seed is the single most nutritious thing you can eat yet our Government keeps it from the people. Hempseed is classified and stored as a strategic food source by executive order 12919, but denied to us citizens for food today. Hempseed could also be used to feed livestock, which would eliminate the need for hormones and remnants in our feed resulting in the spread of BSE in our beef. BSE causes deposits to build in the bloodstream which result in mental deterioration. American beef is banned in Europe because of these additives.
Cannabis was also the main ingredient in the oil God instructed Moses to make in Exodus 30:23. In the original Hebrew of the Old Testament God instructed Moses to make an oil containing 250 shekels, 9-12 lbs, of Kaneh bosm to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations, including Jesus. The title Christ means literally "anointed". Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah, 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. The Greeks translated the word kaneh bosm as calamus or fragrant cane when they rendered the Books in the 3rd century BC. There are 141 references to anointing and 145 for burning incense in your Bible. Cannabis has alway's been used in society for medicine, not until the great deceptive prohibition of our times has the most useful plant on the planet been demonized throughout the world.
The Greeks made one hell of a mistranslation long ago, but yet it had to happen. Read the Book now that you know the Word and the Truth. For further reading I suggest the Nag Hammadi library online. The mystical Chrism is revealed!
1 John 2:18-29 Psalm 133
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Posted by: robert eggleton on Jun 13, 2007 3:54 PM
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The phenomena of self-medicating with pot has been so prevalent that I included a character in my debut novel to illustrate. Here's the most recent of five book reviews:
“Give yourself a treat with something different next time you're ready to read. Try Rarity from the Hollow. It is one of the most unusual novels I've read in a great while. Look in on a dysfunctional family, poverty, child abuse, and the thought processes of a young girl turning the corner from childhood to adolescence, then put them all together in a surreal setting that looks at our society from a distinctly different viewpoint. You'll enjoy the ride with Lacy Dawn and friends and family, but don't expect the ride to be without bumps and enough food for thought to last you a long time.”
Darrell Bain -- 2005 Fictionwise eBook Author of the Year
Double Eppie Award winner 2007
May 8, 2007
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Posted by: macktan on Jun 13, 2007 10:12 PM
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Legalizing it would help people who need it get it. Instead of finding a dealer, they could purchase it through a medical facility. Instead of watching people suffer because they are afraid to break the law, we can authorize comfort and continued functioning.
I'm increasingly upset with all the news I read everyday, learning of all the idiotic things that go on here in this country. I am beginning to think that Amsterdam might be a more civilized place to live.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Jun 14, 2007 7:22 AM
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In my experience, the only pot users who are zombies are those who also abuse alcohol. I admit that my experience is relatively limited, but I've lived in several different locations in two states, and my friends reside in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, New York, California, Florida, and other states, so I've got a pretty broad base from which to draw.
There are far more intelligent, productive people who either currently use or have used marijuana in the past than one would think from reading the news or listening to the pundits who decry the use of this relatively harmless - and often very beneficial drug.
Canada did a study a few years ago in which the report stated that the original premise of the study was to prove once and for all that marijuana is a dangerous drug. However, the results were just the opposite. The Canadians found that marijuana is most definitely not a "gateway" drug, does not lead to crime, and is not a cause of injury or death. It even went so far as to say that there is indication that it causes drivers to be cautious and drive slowly, so it does not seem to be a real cause of traffic accidents. (Because there has been so little research on this subject, it may be that this point is premature - I'm just reporting on what the study said.) But the US government, of course, was very upset about the study and resisted changes in Canadian law as well as US law.
One of the posters here mentioned that perhaps one of the barriers to legalization is that marijuana is not native to the US. I have read that marijuana is native to every continent in the world except for the arctics. Does anyone know more about this? I really don't know if this is true or not.
In any case, marijuana is the leading money crop in a lot of places. It is not as dangerous as alcohol, cigarettes, many prescription drugs, or a lot of other substances we encounter daily. It would appear to a rational thinker that making it legal and taxing it would be a real boon to the economy. There must be many, often unrelated reasons why it is still illegal, but they probably have nothing to do with ill effects on its users.
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Posted by: fixitt on Jun 14, 2007 3:39 PM
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http://www.electricemperor.com/
Another resource is http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/
Won't hurt ya to check them out. I am also a patient with terminal neuropathic pain from nerve root damage. My perceptions of this pain in my own body for the last 10+ years (and subsequent relief for 7 years from cannabis use) echo those of Montel's.
I am a responsible citizen, father, driver, taxpayer, and minister - and consume about a fourth of a pound of low to medium grade organically grown herbal cannabis in various venues. I'm trying to get away from smoking it, and have seen recent research on vaporization, and how it is much safer than burning.
My kids are fine: honor roll, all three. One has been caught with possession of a joint before - but was not from any of my stock, its locked in a safe with the pharms and alcohol. My doctor fully supports me, and is glad that something has finally worked after the failed years of opiates and standard medical treatments that just made me worse. I don't live in a MMJ state, because its legislature gutted the two voter initiatives. I guess Arizonans are such children, and we didn't know what we were doing when we PASSED IT TWICE.
All of prohibition is a lie. God gifted us with all the herbs, and called Kaneh, or cannabis the plant of renown in the chapter of Revelations. For you thumpers, read 1Timothy chapter 4 about the doctrine of devils.
And will you who support peace PLEASE turn the peace symbol back around the way it is supposed to be, and put that sword in the dirt! It is the symbol of the Tree of Life. Duh.
Rev. Don
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Posted by: dustinblythe on Jun 13, 2007 4:44 AM
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In a somewhat related vein, we should also allow farmers and natural food companies to grow, harvest and market hemp products in the U.S. Hemp has been shown to have some of the best, most complete protein for a plant based source and is also very high in Omega 3 fatty acids. All this without having THC, the hallucinogenic active ingredient in it's close cousin marijuana. Both of these products, medical marijuana and hemp, should be allowed in the U.S. Medical marijuana should be made available to patients by their doctors with strict oversight and hemp should be allowed provided there is strict testing and oversight which is something the hemp industry already does.
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 13, 2007 5:35 AM
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Personally I've never used pot, though at the last concert I went to there were plenty of people lighting up around me. Despite conflicting studies on both sides saying either pot is or is not damaging I have simply observed people in my own life and noticed that I can usually pick out a "pot head" with little difficulty. Not to mention the people I've known who have let their life go down the toilet and medicated themselves with pot which seemingly prevented them from giving a shit.
That leads me to believe that pot does indeed have long term effects on the brain and body. Once I spotted a former meth user as well and he was none too pleased.
Drugs have permanent side effects/impact on the brain and body.
Anyway, none of that matters if:
you're terminally ill
you don't care about yourself
you're retired and/or wealthy enough to support yourself
The reason drugs are illegal (for poor people) is because they negatively impact your ability to be exploited by your social betters for profit. Society believes it has a right to maximize its profit from your labor.
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» Spotted a former meth user?? Uhm, idiot.. meth actually DOES change the way people look and behave.
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Posted by: OneAcre2012 on Jun 13, 2007 5:36 AM
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They might be sick...but i don't think jail is gonna heal them...'i'm glad they caught me...what was i doing, ruining my life with that marijuana...i'd like to thank bubba, my rehabilitator...' -Bill Hicks
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Posted by: dannrusso on Jun 13, 2007 5:50 AM
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I have very good friends who see pot as a lesser evil than alcohol and maybe after dinner or while chilling out on the deck on a nice afternoon in the summer will blaze up. This should NOT be illegal. Of course, any drug when used to excess will lead to damage - just look at tobacco and alcohol and the groups that have been set up to help addicts. Alcoholics are sent by judges to church basements, not jail, and that's not right. That's not justice at all.
If you want to take the other view, I am also a teacher, and every year, there are kids whose parents get them on ritalin to "help them concentrate." Whatever happened to "you can't go out/play on the computer/talk on the phone until you finish your homework"?
And there is one MORE view. Look at the cost and taxes the government makes on cigarettes. Just extraoplate that not even just to people who are ill, but people who could very easily be regular users. The financial gain for the government is enormous.
So, on many many levels and in many different ways of thinking, legalizing pot is not only correct, but it's morally right.
And then companies can get rid of those stupid pee-in-a-cup tests (which pretty much is an invasion of privacy) on job interviews.
peace.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 13, 2007 6:11 AM
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After the initial shock wore off, the first thing I thought about was buying marijuana to offset nausea from the anticipated chemo. Fortunately, I'm okay -- for now.
If I do get cancer someday, I would like that option, numbing nausea with pot. But noooooooo! Big Brother says it would be bad for me -- as if getting stoned is worse than puking my guts and losing 75 pounds like my father did before he died from lung cancer at age 83.
If President Bush ever got cancer, Air Force One would fly in Acapulco Gold from Mexico, assuming that hasn't happened already. It's all about manipulation -- power-tripping politicians controlling our bodies instead of us, the owners.
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On one side, reactionary fearmongers, religious nuts and lazy narcotics cops. On the other, the rehab industry.
Why would these groups want legalized marijuana? If pot were legal, these guys would have to find real jobs.
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Posted by: richholland on Jun 13, 2007 7:32 AM
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if you use it for pleasure you can buy in coffeeshops which lose their permission if they sell also alcohol or other hard drugs.
if a doctor prescribes it you go to a drugstore and the health insurance(everybody in the country has one) refunds it.
the only problem is;
1. many small dealers are forced to normal work to obtain an income.
2. the sale of hard drugs is lower then before.
3. some people drink less alcohol or smoke less tobacco.
4. The american government complaint that the dutch authorities got 19% turnover tax and income tax.
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Posted by: Roverton on Jun 13, 2007 8:03 AM
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Someone's going to lose a fortune when it does see it's legal day in the sun. It helps too many people now.
Too late to stop it. The Christian Right fears it because those in the congregation who use it might have an actual chat with God. The Demono-Cons can't afford to have them find out who they've actually been working for down here these days.
The one who doesn't love God's children.
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 13, 2007 8:51 AM
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Researchers are also, not surprisingly, finding an anti-inflammatory effect from cannabinoids (pain, after all, is an immune response like inflammation).
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Posted by: picket on Jun 13, 2007 9:15 AM
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Let us qualify the term "Narcotic" in describing Cannabis. I do not believe it is a narcotic in the true sense of the term. It is not physically addictive like opium as an example.
I wrote down a quote from Bridget Brenner, NYC Special Narcotic Prosecutor since 1998, when she was discussing the Rockefeller Drug Laws. ........"today we handle 4,000 felony narcotic cases every year....when I say 'narcotics' I mean cocaine and heroin, marijuana is not a narcotic drug".
The above quote is from a 3/27/06 article. BTW New York State is about to vote on medical MJ...Gov Spitzer will likely sign the bill. The news articles I've read Spitzer refers to Cannabis as a narcotic. I think we need a clarification.
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Posted by: Ottosu on Jun 13, 2007 12:06 PM
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That said, Kombucha is a fermented drink made with green tea and sugar. It forms a skin that looks like a mushroom which you use for the next batch. It's quite tasty, and after the second ferment it has a nice fizz to it. We add a small piece of pineapple to add a little flavor, but by itself it's similar to champagne . . . but not quite that good. I've read that Kombucha (which cured Ronnie Ray-Gun of cancer) also ameliorated some people of MS. I've read the testimoney of someone who hadn't taken his meds for MS in a year, and was looking forward to life. He was 84. :) I've read testimoney about people being cured, at least relieved, of Parkinsons and a whole host of other maladies from the mushroom tea.
You can google tons of information on Kombucha. Google's cook serves a hundred glasses of kombucha a day for the employees. You can buy it, but homemade is best. There's a number of recipes on the web on how to make it, and a few sites that sell the starter.
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Don Kennedy 4 May 2007 Science Mag
"...The reason to give marijuana some attention here is a legal case that has wedged open an important chapter in the relationship between law and science. It pits some health activists against a law in the United States called the Data Quality Act (DQA). The turnaround is that DQA has usually helped industry fight off regulation. Not this time; here's the background."
"Many basic scientists would be uneasy if their primary data--not what's in their publications, but what's in the lab notebooks--would be available for others to fiddle around with and then publish a different conclusion. But in another scientific culture, that's routine. In the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, where science has regulatory outcomes, inspectors go regularly into labs to look at the books."
"Well, these cultures occasionally merge to generate political action. Back in the '90s when the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency was revising the National Ambient Air Quality Standards for ozone and small particles, its staff used the Six Cities Study, a Harvard School of Public Health analysis demonstrating a correlation between particulate concentrations and mortality. Recognizing that Six Cities could escalate the risk of particulate regulation, industry demanded the primary data tapes so that they could reanalyze them. Harvard said no, but soon Congress took over."
"First, Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL) introduced an Amendment to the 1999 Omnibus Appropriation Bill charging the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to guarantee access, under the Freedom of Information Act, to data produced with the use of federally funded research..."
"....DQA's legislative history is sparse, because like the Shelby Amendment, it was tacked onto an appropriations bill in the dark. Its real author was an industry lobbyist named Jim Tozzi, who had also worked on the Shelby Amendment. Thus, the DQA is often called "Son of Shelby."
"It should not surprise us that the DQA has seen heavy use. The ink on the OMB regulation had scarcely dried when the Center for Regulatory Effectiveness, headed by none other than Jim Tozzi, urged its constituents to use DQA to challenge the "junk science" offered to support health and environmental regulation...."
"Now, back to marijuana. Americans for Safe Access (ASA), a group advocating marijuana availability for severely ill patients needing pain or nausea relief, petitioned the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) under the DQA in 2004. They alleged that HHS made false statements in its publications and its Web site, in particular that marijuana "has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States." ASA cited an Institute of Medicine study that acknowledged benefits from the use of marijuana and cannabinoid derivatives and referenced double-blind clinical trials demonstrating relief from pain and vomiting. HHS delayed a response for months beyond its own deadline, rejected the petition, and then rejected the appeal."
"ASA finally brought its case to federal court, asking it to substitute for the agency's false statement one that says, "Adequate and well-recognized studies show the efficacy of marijuana in the treatment of nausea, loss of appetite, pain and spasticity." Will the judge make HHS change, giving ASA the injunctive relief it seeks? We'll have to wait to see whether this case turns the tables on DQA, but it's already clear that HHS has violated its own DQA guidelines--going, you might say, one toke over the line."
There you have it. The US govenment won't allow private citizens to look at government data on health effects of cannabis.
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Posted by: garry minor on Jun 13, 2007 12:58 PM
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The cannabis seed is the single most nutritious thing you can eat yet our Government keeps it from the people. Hempseed is classified and stored as a strategic food source by executive order 12919, but denied to us citizens for food today. Hempseed could also be used to feed livestock, which would eliminate the need for hormones and remnants in our feed resulting in the spread of BSE in our beef. BSE causes deposits to build in the bloodstream which result in mental deterioration. American beef is banned in Europe because of these additives.
Cannabis was also the main ingredient in the oil God instructed Moses to make in Exodus 30:23. In the original Hebrew of the Old Testament God instructed Moses to make an oil containing 250 shekels, 9-12 lbs, of Kaneh bosm to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations, including Jesus. The title Christ means literally "anointed". Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah, 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. The Greeks translated the word kaneh bosm as calamus or fragrant cane when they rendered the Books in the 3rd century BC. There are 141 references to anointing and 145 for burning incense in your Bible. Cannabis has alway's been used in society for medicine, not until the great deceptive prohibition of our times has the most useful plant on the planet been demonized throughout the world.
The Greeks made one hell of a mistranslation long ago, but yet it had to happen. Read the Book now that you know the Word and the Truth. For further reading I suggest the Nag Hammadi library online. The mystical Chrism is revealed!
1 John 2:18-29 Psalm 133
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Posted by: robert eggleton on Jun 13, 2007 3:54 PM
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The phenomena of self-medicating with pot has been so prevalent that I included a character in my debut novel to illustrate. Here's the most recent of five book reviews:
“Give yourself a treat with something different next time you're ready to read. Try Rarity from the Hollow. It is one of the most unusual novels I've read in a great while. Look in on a dysfunctional family, poverty, child abuse, and the thought processes of a young girl turning the corner from childhood to adolescence, then put them all together in a surreal setting that looks at our society from a distinctly different viewpoint. You'll enjoy the ride with Lacy Dawn and friends and family, but don't expect the ride to be without bumps and enough food for thought to last you a long time.”
Darrell Bain -- 2005 Fictionwise eBook Author of the Year
Double Eppie Award winner 2007
May 8, 2007
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Posted by: macktan on Jun 13, 2007 10:12 PM
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Legalizing it would help people who need it get it. Instead of finding a dealer, they could purchase it through a medical facility. Instead of watching people suffer because they are afraid to break the law, we can authorize comfort and continued functioning.
I'm increasingly upset with all the news I read everyday, learning of all the idiotic things that go on here in this country. I am beginning to think that Amsterdam might be a more civilized place to live.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Jun 14, 2007 7:22 AM
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In my experience, the only pot users who are zombies are those who also abuse alcohol. I admit that my experience is relatively limited, but I've lived in several different locations in two states, and my friends reside in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, New York, California, Florida, and other states, so I've got a pretty broad base from which to draw.
There are far more intelligent, productive people who either currently use or have used marijuana in the past than one would think from reading the news or listening to the pundits who decry the use of this relatively harmless - and often very beneficial drug.
Canada did a study a few years ago in which the report stated that the original premise of the study was to prove once and for all that marijuana is a dangerous drug. However, the results were just the opposite. The Canadians found that marijuana is most definitely not a "gateway" drug, does not lead to crime, and is not a cause of injury or death. It even went so far as to say that there is indication that it causes drivers to be cautious and drive slowly, so it does not seem to be a real cause of traffic accidents. (Because there has been so little research on this subject, it may be that this point is premature - I'm just reporting on what the study said.) But the US government, of course, was very upset about the study and resisted changes in Canadian law as well as US law.
One of the posters here mentioned that perhaps one of the barriers to legalization is that marijuana is not native to the US. I have read that marijuana is native to every continent in the world except for the arctics. Does anyone know more about this? I really don't know if this is true or not.
In any case, marijuana is the leading money crop in a lot of places. It is not as dangerous as alcohol, cigarettes, many prescription drugs, or a lot of other substances we encounter daily. It would appear to a rational thinker that making it legal and taxing it would be a real boon to the economy. There must be many, often unrelated reasons why it is still illegal, but they probably have nothing to do with ill effects on its users.
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Posted by: fixitt on Jun 14, 2007 3:39 PM
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http://www.electricemperor.com/
Another resource is http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/
Won't hurt ya to check them out. I am also a patient with terminal neuropathic pain from nerve root damage. My perceptions of this pain in my own body for the last 10+ years (and subsequent relief for 7 years from cannabis use) echo those of Montel's.
I am a responsible citizen, father, driver, taxpayer, and minister - and consume about a fourth of a pound of low to medium grade organically grown herbal cannabis in various venues. I'm trying to get away from smoking it, and have seen recent research on vaporization, and how it is much safer than burning.
My kids are fine: honor roll, all three. One has been caught with possession of a joint before - but was not from any of my stock, its locked in a safe with the pharms and alcohol. My doctor fully supports me, and is glad that something has finally worked after the failed years of opiates and standard medical treatments that just made me worse. I don't live in a MMJ state, because its legislature gutted the two voter initiatives. I guess Arizonans are such children, and we didn't know what we were doing when we PASSED IT TWICE.
All of prohibition is a lie. God gifted us with all the herbs, and called Kaneh, or cannabis the plant of renown in the chapter of Revelations. For you thumpers, read 1Timothy chapter 4 about the doctrine of devils.
And will you who support peace PLEASE turn the peace symbol back around the way it is supposed to be, and put that sword in the dirt! It is the symbol of the Tree of Life. Duh.
Rev. Don
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