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The Raw Milk Revolution: Behind America's Emerging Battle Over Food Rights

Because of its health benefits, many more people are turning to raw milk. But there's one hitch: Raw milk is illegal.
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DG: Sure. Pasteurization allows milk to be safely transported regionally, and still remain on store shelves for a week or more without spoilage. Increasingly, milk is being transported ever longer distances -- for example, milk from the West, where there tend to be surpluses, is often transported to the East, where there are shortages. As milk is increasingly transported long distances, standard pasteurization has been supplemented by ultra-high temperature pasteurization, which involves heating milk to 275 degrees for a few seconds. The effect is to kill off even more organisms, and thereby allow the milk to last for up to six to nine months without refrigeration. Because organic milk must often be transported the longest distances, it tends to be subjected to ultra-high temperature pasteurization more often than conventional milk.

MG: Why is the raw milk revolution similar to the organic vs. conventional food debate?

DG: For a long time, organic veggies and fruits were seen as marginal products, produced by just a few local growers. A fringe group of consumers proclaimed their benefits. Eventually, organic food was produced in ever-larger quantities, with large agricultural growers becoming involved. It has become mainstream. Today, raw milk is similarly a marginal product, produced generally by a few local dairies. It's not clear, though, that it will follow the same trajectory as organic food, since even among raw milk advocates, there is a preference for obtaining it locally from small dairies. And among these advocates, there is doubt large feedlot type dairies could produce raw milk that would be consistently safe.

MG: What does the divide between traditional and factory farming have to do with raw milk?

DG: Advocates of raw milk have consistently argued that they wouldn't want milk from factory farms sold unpasteurized, since the crowding of cows makes sanitation sometimes questionable. Indeed, there have been studies of the unpasteurized milk at factory farms (before it is sent for pasteurization), which show significant contamination by pathogens. A 2004 study published in the Journal of Dairy Science found that in milk samples taken from 861 bulk tanks in 21 states around the country, 2.6 percent contained salmonella and 6.5 percent tested positive for listeria monocytogenes. Pasteurization, of course, kills off these pathogens.

Instead, raw milk advocates seek out smaller traditional farms, which encourage pasture feeding of cows and diligent sanitation.

MG: Why is there a crackdown on small farms who produce raw milk (even if they have devoted, happy customers)?

DG: The FDA is adamantly against consumption of raw milk, even if customers are happy. The head of its dairy division has been quoted on numerous occasions as saying that consuming raw milk "is like playing Russian roulette with your health." The FDA's warnings have done little to slow consumption of raw milk, however -- quite the contrary. So as raw milk has grown in popularity, the FDA, beginning in 2005 and 2006, has joined with state agriculture agencies in trying to instead cut the supply of raw milk. It has focused its efforts heavily on such large dairy-producing states as New York, California, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. In these states, there have been varying actions against producers of raw milk -- "sting" operations, shutdowns for contamination even when no one has become ill, and legal proceedings and fines.

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MG: When it comes to food, how much freedom should people have to choose their own--­regardless of the "risk"?

DG: This is a controversial issue. I think individuals should be free to assess the risks associated with foods, and make the final choices. All foods can be contaminated, and some, like deli meats and raw seafood, involve more serious risks than raw milk. Opponents argue that in certain situations, like with milk, which are heavily consumed by children, consumers shouldn't have free choice, since children can't make an informed choice.


For more information on The Raw Milk Revolution, watch this video with David Gumpert, or order his book here.


Makenna Goodman is Community Outreach Coordinator for Chelsea Green Publishing, the publisher of The Raw Milk Revolution, by David Gumpert, whom she interviewed for this guest post. She is also a guest blogger at Planet Green.
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The article states that better
Posted by: cdlepthien on Nov 7, 2009 4:00 AM   
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sanitation and refrigeration have helped eliminate the danger of pathogens such as typhoid and tuberculosis in raw milk. This is not entirely true. Cows can carry bovine tuberculosis and it can cause tuberculosis in humans. This was the main reason that pasteurization was instituted in the first place. In areas of the world where milk is not pasteurized, bovine tuberculosis is still a significant cause of tuberculosis in humans. Better sanitation and refrigeration will not stop you from getting tuberculosis from raw milk from a cow with tuberculosis.

Bovine tuberculosis is contained by destroying cows that test positive for it. However, cows carrying it are often asymptomatic for years. States try to be vigilant enough to get tuberculosis-free status, but there are wild reservoirs of bovine tuberculosis in deer in Michigan and the Northeast. Cows have been infected by contact with the deer.

Cows can also carry human tuberculosis.

I find it astonishing that none of this was mentioned in an article on raw milk.

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We need to quit pasteurizing milk...
Posted by: buzzsaw on Nov 7, 2009 5:28 AM   
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We need to irradiate it instead.

Irradiation is so effective at sterilizing milk, that irradiated milk will keep for years-unrefrigerated. Of course, my fear is that both pasteurization and irradiation are likely to be used as substitutes for good sanitation practices, instead of insurance policies.

When disease among herds is, or would be, rampant without the heavy use of antibiotics and other drugs, we really need to re-evaluate our farming methods. It is interesting that organic milk keeps considerably longer that factory-farm produced milk, probably because it has a lower bacterial load to begin with. It also tastes like milk used to taste when I was a child.

Humans: The only species on Earth that 1) drinks significant quantities of milk after infancy, 2) gets this milk mainly from other species.

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no milk today
Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 7, 2009 5:40 AM   
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Regarding vegetarianism vs. veganism, man is the only species that drinks the milk of another species. All other species drink the milk of the mothers of their own species until they are weaned. Cow's milk is the perfect food-if you're a baby calf!

To mass produce cow's milk on a large scale via factory farming, cows have to be kept continually pregnant, giving birth, and lactating. The cows are genetically bred to produce excess cow's milk for humans. Male cows (bulls) are useless to the dairy industry, so they become veal. By supporting the dairy industry, one indirectly supports cow killing.

Vegetarians do cause far less animal cruelty than meat-eaters, but a nonviolent philosophy would carry greater weight from vegans than from vegetarians.

The meat-eaters, especially, exactly, are ready to find fault with us in this regard: do we love all animals, or only some animals (e.g., cows) and not others? And if we really do love the cows, why do we contribute to their death and suffering just to drink their milk?

Can children be raised without cow's milk? YES! Half the world's population (blacks and Asians in particular) are lactose intolerant, and can't digest milk after infancy. Dr. Michael Klaper has written books on vegan nutrition, pregnancy, and childbirth.

One of the first books I read on the subject of vegetarianism while in college was A Vegetarian Sourcebook by Keith Akers (1983). Describing the environmental damage caused by raising animals for food: topsoil erosion, deforestization, loss of groundwater, etc. as well as the economic inefficiency and waste of energy and resources in raising animals for food in an age of exploding human population growth, Keith Akers foreshadowed John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987), which was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.

In A Vegetarian Sourcebook, Keith Akers writes:

"Using grasslands for livestock agriculture creates great environmental problems, which greatly limit its usefulness. Grazing systems require ten times more land than feedlot agriculture, in which animals are simply given feed grown on cropland. Grazing systems have to be extensive in order to avoid the catastrophic consequences of overgrazing—which renders a piece of land unsuitable for any purpose.

"Overgrazing and the consequent soil erosion are extremely serious problems worldwide. By the most conservative estimates, 60% of all U.S. rangelands are overgrazed, with billions of tons of soil lost each year. Overgrazing has also been the greatest cause of man-made deserts.

"Even if we grant grazing a role in a resource-efficient, ecologically stable agriculture, milk should be the end result, not beef. Milk provides over 50% of the protein and nearly four times the calories of beef, per unit of forage resources from grazing.

"'When only forage is available, then egg, broiler and pork production are eliminated and only milk, beef, and lamb production are viable systems,' state David and Marcia Pimentel, scientists and authors of Food, Energy and Society. "Of these three, milk production is the most efficient.'

"An ecologically stable, resource-efficient system of grazing animals for human food could not be anything faintly resembling today's livestock agriculture," concludes Akers. "It would be a smaller, decentralized, less intensive system of animal husbandry devoted to milk production."

This is what the Vedas say as well: an acre of land, a cow and a bull, and you're all set! The Vedas also warn that when a population is sinful, their land becomes a desert...and overgrazing does lead to topsoil erosion, which in turn leads to desertification. So it may be possible to have animal agriculture (devoted solely to milk production) on a small scale—like the Amish.

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Libertarian principles
Posted by: rational_moderate on Nov 7, 2009 6:23 AM   
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This is a situation where libertarian principles probably should be applied. In other words, when in doubt, keep the government out.
Or how about a licensing process for consumers? Once they somehow prove that they're really knowledgeable about the risks and willing to make the trade-off, they get a license to buy raw milk.

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The form of Milk Doesn't Matter
Posted by: dcande01 on Nov 7, 2009 7:43 AM   
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It's ALL bad for the cows, goats, etc. kept pregnant and lactating. Then, there are the poor little boys who are born to have their throats slit at 16 weeks.
I, for one, don't care whether dairy milk drinkers get sick. Let them. They've brought it on themselves. AND, whether pasteurized or not, they will get sick from their abuse of other animals.

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There are ways to get around this
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Nov 7, 2009 9:27 AM   
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I did not want to drink or use regular milk once dairies started adding bovine growth hormone. Since our cowardly government won't let milk be labeled re BGH, I went to an acquaintance who had a few dairy cows. She also only used raw milk and so I went to her place every few weeks and bought, under the table, a little bit of raw milk plus butter made from raw milk. I never had a problem consuming it and neither did her family. If I could get it legally, I'd be more than happy to sign a waiver or any documentation in an effort to get natural food instead of the crap sold in stores.

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Probably because pasteurized keeps longer...
Posted by: Cooltruth on Nov 7, 2009 9:56 AM   
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Raw milk doesn't last as long in the grocery's dairy case. You have to drink it within a few days of when the cow produced it or it will go bad & will make you sick if you can stand to drink it.

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Good article. Dig Deeper. Keep going.
Posted by: wrusssr on Nov 7, 2009 2:04 PM   
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First balanced article I've read in a long time about the obfuscated and fuzzy cap and trade scam. You are an environmentalist, but you placed your bias into the context of the greater and more important BigAgra, BigPharma, elite effort to takeover the globe’s food, water, and land for profit and control of humanity. Their end game is own it all and reduce the population by four-fifths. Stay honest with your writing. Dig deeper. Keep going. There's a sterilization connection between their GM seeds/foods and "swine flu vaccines." Recommend a dry academic book for insight into the minds of the type of people perpetrating these crimes on the globe. The ms originated in Poland. Was destroyed twice according to people associated with its publication as well as its author (Now dead. See his excellent on line comments below). That wonderful humanitarian, Zbigniew Brzezinski, tried to sqaush its publication in the U.S. because it told the world what the psychopathic mind was capable of on an organized [read political] basis. The late author talks about that on line. The book, "Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes," was finally published by Red Pill Press in Canada.
Political Ponerology: Andrew M. Lobaczewski

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MLK
Posted by: goldengrain on Nov 7, 2009 3:14 PM   
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I was born on a farm and consumed a great deal of untreated milk. I was ill for a great part of my childhood.
After moving to the city and drinking whatever dairy was sold locally for years I became desperate, going from one doctor to the next. Finally, I landed in the Atkins clinic, which diagnosed a really bad milk sensitivity. Often when a person becomes sensitive to one food and continues abusing it, other food reactions start to occur.
After not having ANY dairy, even cakes, for years I can finally have occasional cream in coffee and iced cream, etc.

I am not a member of the ethnic groups that are known to have reactions to dairy, but have discovered that even in the remaining population - those with no observable problem with dairy - they are not digesting calcium and other nutrients from the milk that they do drink.
Advertising aside, dairy is a very bad delivery system for adult nutrients. I drink unwsweetened soy milk and now love it more than I once did dairy.

I agree with the comment on tuberculosis. I remember that being the main reason for treating milk. That was an excellent post and made very much sense to me.

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drank it a lot as a child
Posted by: kiel on Nov 7, 2009 5:45 PM   
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And got the runs about once every five times. Better than bovine TB, but still very unpleasant.

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Cows’ milk is for baby cows not humans.
Posted by: ronniejw on Nov 7, 2009 9:18 PM   
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Cows’ milk is for baby cows not humans. Every time I read these articles on milk I can emigine you people sucking on some cows’ teat and I just have to laugh.

But I guess it’s not so funny for the poor cows that are raped to get them pregnant only to have their baby’s taken away and forced into slavery or murdered. And then their poor little babies’ milk is stolen from them to be given to people that can’t tell the difference between a cow and a human.

Seems a bit crazy to me.

Ronnie Wright
World Change Cafe

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It's Not Illegal Everywhere
Posted by: akarr1953 on Nov 7, 2009 9:50 PM   
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My home state of South Carolina regulates, but does not prohibit the sale of raw milk. I know of two dairies that distribute raw cow milk in Columbia and one goat dairy in Anderson, SC that does not pasteurize.

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Fair and Balanced?
Posted by: PeaceLove on Nov 7, 2009 11:28 PM   
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When I lived in Chicago we got around the raw milk ban by "leasing" a cow from a wonderful organic, biodynamic farm in Wisconsin. Every week, one of the 10 or 12 members of our group would drive up to the farm and return with 12 gallons of raw, organic milk. As a vegan I hardly ever partook, but my wife and son were both fans.

In California, raw milk is still available at Whole Foods in the Bay Area, at least.

However, the article is hardly balanced, being an interview with a raw milk proponent. They say about 50 people a year get sick from raw milk. Is this a small number? Or, considering the extremely limited availability of raw milk, is that actually kind of high? If raw milk were more widely available, would those numbers go way up?

Gumpert also makes some serious health claims for raw milk. How many of those patients would be improved even more if they eliminated dairy from their diets entirely?

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My Favorite part of the artice lol
Posted by: dstauff on Nov 8, 2009 3:39 AM   
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"MG: What are the health benefits from drinking raw milk?

DG: There was a time during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries when raw milk was pushed by some in the medical profession as nearly a cure-all for conditions ranging from arthritis to diabetes to gout. Today, there are extensive anecdotal tales of improved health from raw milk, such as relief from lactose intolerance. There is also research from Europe in the last few years indicating that children who drink raw milk have reduced rates of asthma and allergies.
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TRANSLATION: There is no hard evidence of any health benefits of Raw Milk vs. Pasturized Milk. Just this Anecdotal Shit that I should be too embarased to even tell you...lololol

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If you want raw milk
Posted by: thedevil666 on Nov 8, 2009 5:34 AM   
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you can find it in the mountains of Peru. The markets of the small towns in the mountains almost always have it. In central plaza of Guatemala City, I remember seeing a man with a female goat and some cups. I forget how much he was charging but he would milk the goat right there in front of the customer.

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Air Yeezy shoes
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bill n
Posted by: bill n on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 AM   
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RAW MILK IS NOT ILLEGAL IN COLORADO and several other states. Here, raw milk dairies are regulated with cleanliness protocols and rigorous pathogen testing. We have to drive to the dairy and pick it up ourselves though. Check out the WESTIN PRICE FOUNDATION for excellent info on ageless nutritional knowledge.

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Raw vs. Pasteurization
Posted by: JCampbell on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 AM   
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There's a pretty good raw vs. Pasteurized article here:

Pasteurized vs. Raw Milk: Which One Is Healthier for You & Your Family?

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For raw milk, find a reliable farmer and buy a "share" in a healthy cow.
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 PM   
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When living in Ohio, I found an Amish farmer who allowed me to buy a "share" in a cow for a very reasonable price. Since the cow was "mine," I could drink her milk. I made weekly "contributions" to pay for her food and medical care, in exchange for the farmer bringing her milk to me at the local farmer's market.

It is ESSENTIAL that you find a farmer you can trust. Ensure that the cow is tested at least every six months for pathogens (such as tuberculosis).

Remember that the reason raw milk is illegal is that it is DANGEROUS when mass porduced. Pasteurization is a major reason that the TB epidemic of the last century was brought under control! This is not right-wing propaganda.

I was raised on raw milk on a family farm in Arkansas. I am now sliding into middle-age, and have bones like Gibralter. No osteoporosis in my family (the "iron" well water may have helped, too).

Raw milk is great for lots of reasons, but you REALLY better know your supplier. For this reason, I'm deeply skeptical about commercial production of raw milk -- even on organic farms.

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raw milk
Posted by: betsy99 on Nov 9, 2009 12:42 PM   
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I was raised on a dairy farm and drank raw milk until I was about 16, and then I decided it was disgusting and started buying store milk for myself. I helped with the milking and saw that it was impossible to have "clean" raw milk. Think about it.

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mILK IS OK IF IT'S SOY
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 10, 2009 5:45 AM   
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RE: very time someone like you whips their top
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 AM
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topless bars would not make any money exploiting you, Even topless dancers and all nude bars would struggle imagine that a gift from god and where charged for just the thought of you no wonder money is always hungry and men look at themselves' It seems they have to be charged
because the anti Christ law won't let you take off your clothing when it's even hot. No wonder people are fat and obese there just hiding who they are' With the way they wished they where with topless bars would not make any money exploiting you, Even topless dancers and all nude bars would struggle imagine that a gift from god and where charged for just the thought of you no wonder money is always hungry and men look at themselves' It seems they have to be charged
because the anti Christ law won't let you take off your clothing when it's even hot. No wonder people are fat and obese' There just hiding who they are' With the way they wished they where with clothes.

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The article states that better
Posted by: cdlepthien on Nov 7, 2009 4:00 AM   
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sanitation and refrigeration have helped eliminate the danger of pathogens such as typhoid and tuberculosis in raw milk. This is not entirely true. Cows can carry bovine tuberculosis and it can cause tuberculosis in humans. This was the main reason that pasteurization was instituted in the first place. In areas of the world where milk is not pasteurized, bovine tuberculosis is still a significant cause of tuberculosis in humans. Better sanitation and refrigeration will not stop you from getting tuberculosis from raw milk from a cow with tuberculosis.

Bovine tuberculosis is contained by destroying cows that test positive for it. However, cows carrying it are often asymptomatic for years. States try to be vigilant enough to get tuberculosis-free status, but there are wild reservoirs of bovine tuberculosis in deer in Michigan and the Northeast. Cows have been infected by contact with the deer.

Cows can also carry human tuberculosis.

I find it astonishing that none of this was mentioned in an article on raw milk.

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We need to quit pasteurizing milk...
Posted by: buzzsaw on Nov 7, 2009 5:28 AM   
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We need to irradiate it instead.

Irradiation is so effective at sterilizing milk, that irradiated milk will keep for years-unrefrigerated. Of course, my fear is that both pasteurization and irradiation are likely to be used as substitutes for good sanitation practices, instead of insurance policies.

When disease among herds is, or would be, rampant without the heavy use of antibiotics and other drugs, we really need to re-evaluate our farming methods. It is interesting that organic milk keeps considerably longer that factory-farm produced milk, probably because it has a lower bacterial load to begin with. It also tastes like milk used to taste when I was a child.

Humans: The only species on Earth that 1) drinks significant quantities of milk after infancy, 2) gets this milk mainly from other species.

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no milk today
Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 7, 2009 5:40 AM   
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Regarding vegetarianism vs. veganism, man is the only species that drinks the milk of another species. All other species drink the milk of the mothers of their own species until they are weaned. Cow's milk is the perfect food-if you're a baby calf!

To mass produce cow's milk on a large scale via factory farming, cows have to be kept continually pregnant, giving birth, and lactating. The cows are genetically bred to produce excess cow's milk for humans. Male cows (bulls) are useless to the dairy industry, so they become veal. By supporting the dairy industry, one indirectly supports cow killing.

Vegetarians do cause far less animal cruelty than meat-eaters, but a nonviolent philosophy would carry greater weight from vegans than from vegetarians.

The meat-eaters, especially, exactly, are ready to find fault with us in this regard: do we love all animals, or only some animals (e.g., cows) and not others? And if we really do love the cows, why do we contribute to their death and suffering just to drink their milk?

Can children be raised without cow's milk? YES! Half the world's population (blacks and Asians in particular) are lactose intolerant, and can't digest milk after infancy. Dr. Michael Klaper has written books on vegan nutrition, pregnancy, and childbirth.

One of the first books I read on the subject of vegetarianism while in college was A Vegetarian Sourcebook by Keith Akers (1983). Describing the environmental damage caused by raising animals for food: topsoil erosion, deforestization, loss of groundwater, etc. as well as the economic inefficiency and waste of energy and resources in raising animals for food in an age of exploding human population growth, Keith Akers foreshadowed John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987), which was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.

In A Vegetarian Sourcebook, Keith Akers writes:

"Using grasslands for livestock agriculture creates great environmental problems, which greatly limit its usefulness. Grazing systems require ten times more land than feedlot agriculture, in which animals are simply given feed grown on cropland. Grazing systems have to be extensive in order to avoid the catastrophic consequences of overgrazing—which renders a piece of land unsuitable for any purpose.

"Overgrazing and the consequent soil erosion are extremely serious problems worldwide. By the most conservative estimates, 60% of all U.S. rangelands are overgrazed, with billions of tons of soil lost each year. Overgrazing has also been the greatest cause of man-made deserts.

"Even if we grant grazing a role in a resource-efficient, ecologically stable agriculture, milk should be the end result, not beef. Milk provides over 50% of the protein and nearly four times the calories of beef, per unit of forage resources from grazing.

"'When only forage is available, then egg, broiler and pork production are eliminated and only milk, beef, and lamb production are viable systems,' state David and Marcia Pimentel, scientists and authors of Food, Energy and Society. "Of these three, milk production is the most efficient.'

"An ecologically stable, resource-efficient system of grazing animals for human food could not be anything faintly resembling today's livestock agriculture," concludes Akers. "It would be a smaller, decentralized, less intensive system of animal husbandry devoted to milk production."

This is what the Vedas say as well: an acre of land, a cow and a bull, and you're all set! The Vedas also warn that when a population is sinful, their land becomes a desert...and overgrazing does lead to topsoil erosion, which in turn leads to desertification. So it may be possible to have animal agriculture (devoted solely to milk production) on a small scale—like the Amish.

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Libertarian principles
Posted by: rational_moderate on Nov 7, 2009 6:23 AM   
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This is a situation where libertarian principles probably should be applied. In other words, when in doubt, keep the government out.
Or how about a licensing process for consumers? Once they somehow prove that they're really knowledgeable about the risks and willing to make the trade-off, they get a license to buy raw milk.

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The form of Milk Doesn't Matter
Posted by: dcande01 on Nov 7, 2009 7:43 AM   
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It's ALL bad for the cows, goats, etc. kept pregnant and lactating. Then, there are the poor little boys who are born to have their throats slit at 16 weeks.
I, for one, don't care whether dairy milk drinkers get sick. Let them. They've brought it on themselves. AND, whether pasteurized or not, they will get sick from their abuse of other animals.

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There are ways to get around this
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Nov 7, 2009 9:27 AM   
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I did not want to drink or use regular milk once dairies started adding bovine growth hormone. Since our cowardly government won't let milk be labeled re BGH, I went to an acquaintance who had a few dairy cows. She also only used raw milk and so I went to her place every few weeks and bought, under the table, a little bit of raw milk plus butter made from raw milk. I never had a problem consuming it and neither did her family. If I could get it legally, I'd be more than happy to sign a waiver or any documentation in an effort to get natural food instead of the crap sold in stores.

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Probably because pasteurized keeps longer...
Posted by: Cooltruth on Nov 7, 2009 9:56 AM   
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Raw milk doesn't last as long in the grocery's dairy case. You have to drink it within a few days of when the cow produced it or it will go bad & will make you sick if you can stand to drink it.

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» I was raised on a dairy farm... Posted by: Cooltruth

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Good article. Dig Deeper. Keep going.
Posted by: wrusssr on Nov 7, 2009 2:04 PM   
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First balanced article I've read in a long time about the obfuscated and fuzzy cap and trade scam. You are an environmentalist, but you placed your bias into the context of the greater and more important BigAgra, BigPharma, elite effort to takeover the globe’s food, water, and land for profit and control of humanity. Their end game is own it all and reduce the population by four-fifths. Stay honest with your writing. Dig deeper. Keep going. There's a sterilization connection between their GM seeds/foods and "swine flu vaccines." Recommend a dry academic book for insight into the minds of the type of people perpetrating these crimes on the globe. The ms originated in Poland. Was destroyed twice according to people associated with its publication as well as its author (Now dead. See his excellent on line comments below). That wonderful humanitarian, Zbigniew Brzezinski, tried to sqaush its publication in the U.S. because it told the world what the psychopathic mind was capable of on an organized [read political] basis. The late author talks about that on line. The book, "Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes," was finally published by Red Pill Press in Canada.
Political Ponerology: Andrew M. Lobaczewski

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MLK
Posted by: goldengrain on Nov 7, 2009 3:14 PM   
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I was born on a farm and consumed a great deal of untreated milk. I was ill for a great part of my childhood.
After moving to the city and drinking whatever dairy was sold locally for years I became desperate, going from one doctor to the next. Finally, I landed in the Atkins clinic, which diagnosed a really bad milk sensitivity. Often when a person becomes sensitive to one food and continues abusing it, other food reactions start to occur.
After not having ANY dairy, even cakes, for years I can finally have occasional cream in coffee and iced cream, etc.

I am not a member of the ethnic groups that are known to have reactions to dairy, but have discovered that even in the remaining population - those with no observable problem with dairy - they are not digesting calcium and other nutrients from the milk that they do drink.
Advertising aside, dairy is a very bad delivery system for adult nutrients. I drink unwsweetened soy milk and now love it more than I once did dairy.

I agree with the comment on tuberculosis. I remember that being the main reason for treating milk. That was an excellent post and made very much sense to me.

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drank it a lot as a child
Posted by: kiel on Nov 7, 2009 5:45 PM   
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And got the runs about once every five times. Better than bovine TB, but still very unpleasant.

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Cows’ milk is for baby cows not humans.
Posted by: ronniejw on Nov 7, 2009 9:18 PM   
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Cows’ milk is for baby cows not humans. Every time I read these articles on milk I can emigine you people sucking on some cows’ teat and I just have to laugh.

But I guess it’s not so funny for the poor cows that are raped to get them pregnant only to have their baby’s taken away and forced into slavery or murdered. And then their poor little babies’ milk is stolen from them to be given to people that can’t tell the difference between a cow and a human.

Seems a bit crazy to me.

Ronnie Wright
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It's Not Illegal Everywhere
Posted by: akarr1953 on Nov 7, 2009 9:50 PM   
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My home state of South Carolina regulates, but does not prohibit the sale of raw milk. I know of two dairies that distribute raw cow milk in Columbia and one goat dairy in Anderson, SC that does not pasteurize.

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Fair and Balanced?
Posted by: PeaceLove on Nov 7, 2009 11:28 PM   
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When I lived in Chicago we got around the raw milk ban by "leasing" a cow from a wonderful organic, biodynamic farm in Wisconsin. Every week, one of the 10 or 12 members of our group would drive up to the farm and return with 12 gallons of raw, organic milk. As a vegan I hardly ever partook, but my wife and son were both fans.

In California, raw milk is still available at Whole Foods in the Bay Area, at least.

However, the article is hardly balanced, being an interview with a raw milk proponent. They say about 50 people a year get sick from raw milk. Is this a small number? Or, considering the extremely limited availability of raw milk, is that actually kind of high? If raw milk were more widely available, would those numbers go way up?

Gumpert also makes some serious health claims for raw milk. How many of those patients would be improved even more if they eliminated dairy from their diets entirely?

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My Favorite part of the artice lol
Posted by: dstauff on Nov 8, 2009 3:39 AM   
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"MG: What are the health benefits from drinking raw milk?

DG: There was a time during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries when raw milk was pushed by some in the medical profession as nearly a cure-all for conditions ranging from arthritis to diabetes to gout. Today, there are extensive anecdotal tales of improved health from raw milk, such as relief from lactose intolerance. There is also research from Europe in the last few years indicating that children who drink raw milk have reduced rates of asthma and allergies.
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TRANSLATION: There is no hard evidence of any health benefits of Raw Milk vs. Pasturized Milk. Just this Anecdotal Shit that I should be too embarased to even tell you...lololol

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If you want raw milk
Posted by: thedevil666 on Nov 8, 2009 5:34 AM   
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you can find it in the mountains of Peru. The markets of the small towns in the mountains almost always have it. In central plaza of Guatemala City, I remember seeing a man with a female goat and some cups. I forget how much he was charging but he would milk the goat right there in front of the customer.

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bill n
Posted by: bill n on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 AM   
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RAW MILK IS NOT ILLEGAL IN COLORADO and several other states. Here, raw milk dairies are regulated with cleanliness protocols and rigorous pathogen testing. We have to drive to the dairy and pick it up ourselves though. Check out the WESTIN PRICE FOUNDATION for excellent info on ageless nutritional knowledge.

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Raw vs. Pasteurization
Posted by: JCampbell on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 AM   
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There's a pretty good raw vs. Pasteurized article here:

Pasteurized vs. Raw Milk: Which One Is Healthier for You & Your Family?

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For raw milk, find a reliable farmer and buy a "share" in a healthy cow.
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 PM   
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When living in Ohio, I found an Amish farmer who allowed me to buy a "share" in a cow for a very reasonable price. Since the cow was "mine," I could drink her milk. I made weekly "contributions" to pay for her food and medical care, in exchange for the farmer bringing her milk to me at the local farmer's market.

It is ESSENTIAL that you find a farmer you can trust. Ensure that the cow is tested at least every six months for pathogens (such as tuberculosis).

Remember that the reason raw milk is illegal is that it is DANGEROUS when mass porduced. Pasteurization is a major reason that the TB epidemic of the last century was brought under control! This is not right-wing propaganda.

I was raised on raw milk on a family farm in Arkansas. I am now sliding into middle-age, and have bones like Gibralter. No osteoporosis in my family (the "iron" well water may have helped, too).

Raw milk is great for lots of reasons, but you REALLY better know your supplier. For this reason, I'm deeply skeptical about commercial production of raw milk -- even on organic farms.

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raw milk
Posted by: betsy99 on Nov 9, 2009 12:42 PM   
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I was raised on a dairy farm and drank raw milk until I was about 16, and then I decided it was disgusting and started buying store milk for myself. I helped with the milking and saw that it was impossible to have "clean" raw milk. Think about it.

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mILK IS OK IF IT'S SOY
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 10, 2009 5:45 AM   
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RE: very time someone like you whips their top
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 AM
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topless bars would not make any money exploiting you, Even topless dancers and all nude bars would struggle imagine that a gift from god and where charged for just the thought of you no wonder money is always hungry and men look at themselves' It seems they have to be charged
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