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There Is a Way to Help Avoid Heart Disease and Diabetes: You Are What You Eat!
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"If the truth be known coronary artery disease is a toothless paper tiger that need never, ever exist and if it does exist it need never, ever progress."
So says Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, who was a researcher and clinician at the Cleveland Clinic for over 35 years. In 1991, Dr. Esselstyn served as the president of the American Association of Endocrine Surgeons, and organized the 1st National Conference on the Elimination and Prevention of Heart Disease. In 2005, he became the 1st recipient of the Benjamin Spock Award for Compassion in Medicine. Dr. Esselstyn is also an Olympic gold medalist in rowing, and he was awarded the Bronze Star as an army surgeon in Vietnam.
In this series of interviews I've conducted with extraordinary nutritional researchers and medical doctors, I've sought to understand the link between diet and the most common and dreaded diseases that are prevalent in our culture. What I'm hearing over and over is that a plant-based diet is both preventative and healing, whereas a diet high in animal protein is destructive to our health - this is the case with cancer, type 2 diabetes, and heart disease.
The great news is that there is very real hope in shifting the course of our health. What is becoming very apparent through various peer reviewed studies is that by changing our diet - eliminating that which causes havoc in the body (animal protein) and adding in plant based proteins and eating lots of vegetables, legumes, beans, and whole grains, we can not only prevent disease, but also heal from it once it is already in motion. Following is a fascinating conversation I had on diet and heart health.
KF: What exactly is coronary heart disease?
CE: Coronary heart disease is the leading killer of women and men in western civilization. It is predicted to become the #1 global disease burden by 2020.
It consists of an inflammatory buildup of blockages in arteries to the heart muscle. These blockages are made of fat, cholesterol, calcium, and inflammatory cells. Blockages can become severe enough to cause symptoms such as shortness of breath or chest pain (angina). When blockages suddenly become complete, the portion of heart muscle fed by that blocked artery is now deprived of oxygen and nutrients, thus it is injured or now dies. This is a heart attack. The patient may survive or succumb if the event is accompanied by a fatal heart rhythm.
KF: Who develops heart disease?
CE: Everyone eating the typical western diet. In autopsy studies of our GI's who died in the Vietnam and Korean wars almost 80% at an average age of 20 years, had disease that could be seen without a microscope. Forty years later in 1999, a study of young persons between the ages of 16-34 years who have died of accidents, homicides and suicides, finds the disease is now ubiquitous.
KF: What is the cause of the disease?
CE: It is the typical western diet of processed oils, dairy, and meat which destroys the lifejacket of our blood vessels known as our endothelial cells. This cell layer is a one cell thick lining of all of our blood vessels. Endothelial cells manufacture a magical protective molecule of gas called nitric oxide, which protects our blood vessels. It keeps our blood flowing smoothly, it is the strongest dilator (widener), of our blood vessels, it inhibits the formation of blockages (plaques), and it inhibits inflammation.
KF: With such natural protection, why do we ever develop heart disease?
CE: Every western meal of processed vegetable oils, dairy products, and meat (including chicken and fish) injures these endothelial cells. As individuals consume theses damaging products throughout their lives, they have fewer functioning endothelial cells remaining and thus less of the protective nitric oxide. Without enough nitric oxide the plaque blockages build up and grow creating eventually heart disease and strokes.
KF: Can it be stopped or even reversed?
CE: Yes. First we must look at the lessons learned from cultures where there is a virtual absence of coronary artery heart disease such as rural China, the Papua Highlands of New Guinea, Central Africa, and the Tarahumara Indians of Northern Mexico. Their nutrition is plant based without oil.
Beginning in 1985 I initiated a study of seriously ill coronary artery disease patients. Their nutrition became plant based without oil. Their cholesterol levels plummeted. Their angina disappeared. Their weight dropped. I have reported this study at 5 years, 12 years, and 16 years, in the peer reviewed scientific literature and again beyond 20 years in my book Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease. In some of the patients we had follow up angiograms (x-rays) of previously blocked arteries demonstrating striking disease reversal, which is a testament to my often quoted statement "The truth be known coronary artery disease is a toothless paper tiger that need never exist and if it does exist it need never progress." The greatest gift to these patients is the increasing recognition that they are the locus of control for their disease - not some pill or procedure. They have made themselves heart attack proof and lose the greatest fear of all heart patients and their families - when will the next heart attack occur?
KF: What about drugs, stents, and heart bypass surgery?
CE: Admittedly in the midst of a heart attack a stent or bypass may be live saving, however, for the remaining 90% studies confirm that they do not prevent future heart attacks or prolong life. They are associated with significant complications such as hemorrhage, heart attack, stroke, cognitive decline, depression, and death. The benefits erode with the passage of time as the stents and bypasses may themselves develop blockage.
Some drugs may decrease blood pressure and the heart workload. Others interfere with clotting which helps a stent remain open. Statin drugs lower cholesterol. None of these drugs or interventions addresses the basic causation of disease and not surprisingly the disease progresses with the need for more drugs, stents, and repeat bypasses.
KF: Why aren't physicians using nutrition therapy?
CE: Most physicians have no training or understanding of the power of nutrition. In a busy practice they would not have the time for it. It is my belief that physicians must accord the plant based lifestyle transition its due. Every patient with cardiovascular disease should be referred to a physician or nurse practitioner with the knowledge and expertise in these counseling skills.
KF: But I understand physicians don't believe patients will make this transition. How come?
CE: Nutrition counseling is a skill which physicians don't possess. Of all the encounters a patient with cardiovascular disease experiences, perhaps the least time and lowest priority is nutritional counseling. I see many patients with heart disease who recount that nutrition was never even mentioned. It is therefore unlikely that the patient feels that nutrition is important.
KF: What is that you do differently?
CE: In an intensive 5 hour counseling session for a group of heart patients, my first priority is to eliminate the mystery of what causes their disease. It has not been stress, or genes. It is their western diet of processed oil, dairy, and meat. Hypertension, diabetes, and smoking must be controlled but food trumps all. I spend at least an hour defining the protective role of endothelial cells and nitric oxide functioning as the ultimate guardians of our blood vessels. They quickly understand that their lifetime of ingesting these harmful products has totally overwhelmed and destroyed their endothelium to an extent where it is unable to protect them. They fully grasp that they must forever eliminate ingesting foods that will further destroy their already compromised endothelium. They understand heart disease is a food borne illness.
KF: Where is the good news?
CE: The patients understand that they can halt their disease. They are presented with my scientific articles demonstrating reversal of disease. They learn that anginal chest pain may diminish or disappear within 10-14 days in some patients while others may take longer. We share our data confirming reversal of carotid artery disease to the brain, coronary artery disease of the heart, peripheral vascular disease in the extremities, and the reversal of erectile dysfunction. They are made to appreciate how rapidly and powerfully the endothelial function may be restored. The most significant message in our counseling is patient awareness that they are empowered to be the locus of control of their disease.
KF: What is your take on the present management of heart disease through drug stents and bypass surgery?
CE: It is expensive, dangerous, and ineffective. None of these approaches addresses the factors that cause the disease. A doctor would never treat poison ivy without advising the patient to avoid exposure to poison ivy plants. Sadly the usual treatment of cardiovascular disease almost never includes hours of patient counseling so they may completely eliminate the foods which are injuring their endothelium. Stents may block, bypass veins shut down, drug doses increase, and blood vessel disease worsens. The present cost of this non-treatment of heart disease is unsustainable even in our wealthy nation.
KF: Dr. Esselstyn, are you a threat to the stenting and bypass industry?
CE: Not really. Stents and bypass surgery in an emergency setting are absolutely lifesaving. However, for non-emergency situations an intensive lifestyle trial of 3-6 months would eliminate the need for most interventions. It is of interest that when physicians and some interventional cardiologists themselves develop the disease they come knocking at my door.
KF: Why do you think this information on diet and heart disease is not more widely known? Is someone or something blocking your message?
CE: The government, drug industry, and some of my own profession. The USDA every five years produces a food triangle which promotes the very foods which guarantee that millions of Americans will perish.
The drug industry has a $21 billion dollar income from statin drugs alone. The stent manufacturers make billions more. Neither of these industries would want this epidemic resolved.
Physicians who perform stents and bypass surgery earn millions and are hardly clamoring for fewer patients.
KF: Any final thoughts?
CE: When people learn to eat plant based to eliminate heart disease it could inaugurate a seismic revolution in health. Other diseases that resolve include obesity, hypertension, stroke, heart attacks, gall stones, diverticulitis, asthma, osteoporosis, allergies, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus, and a marked decrease in the common western cancers of breast, prostate, colon, endometrial, ovarian, and pancreatic.
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Posted by: wisegalah on Oct 31, 2009 4:15 AM
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And advise anybody you know to avoid giving any business to these maggots.
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Posted by: CathyP on Oct 31, 2009 3:26 AM
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When carefully managed vegetarian diets are compared to carefully managed diets which include animal and fish products the animal/fish diets are healthier. For example, meat and fish supply taurine, DHA, carnosine, CoEnzyme Q10 and vitamin B12 which are difficult to obtain in a vegetarian diet.
For more see http://tinyurl.com/yaernqv
On a side note is AlterNet pushing a vegetarian diet for health or for political purposes as in feeding the millions of starving poor? If it is to feed the poor I'd enjoy seeing a strong push for population control. The important message such populations around the world need to hear is not that others need to become vegetarian in order to feed them. Rather these populations need to stop reproducing to the point of starvation.
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» All nutrients easily obtained from vegetarian choices
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» Here's your homework, from a famous vegetarian. "Top Five Nutrients Vegetarians lack"
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» Doctors don't follow it because almost no one follows it. It seems to be the world's biggest scam
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» Yeah, what was supposed to be the benefit to diabetics?
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» The food cure for diabetes
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» Good to hear, not the case for the vast majority though
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 31, 2009 6:32 AM
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
---Albert Einstein
"Each year, the meat industrial complex abuses and butchers nearly 9 billion cows, pigs, sheep, turkeys, chickens, and other innocent, feeling animals just for the enjoyment of consumers. Each year, nearly 1.5 million of these consumers are crippled and killed prematurely by heart failure, cancer, stroke, and other chronic diseases that have been linked conclusively with the consumption of these animals. Each year, millions of other animals are abused and sacrificed in a vain search for a 'magic pill' that would vanquish these largely self-inflicted diseases."
---Alex Hershaft, PhD, president, Farm Animal Reform Movement
When analyzing 8,300 deaths in the United States, United Kingdom, and Germany among 76,000 men and women in five different, large studies, researchers concluded that vegetarians have a 24 percent reduction in death from heart disease.
Similarly, in the famous Oxford Vegetarian Study, where 6,000 vegetarians were compared with 5,000 meat-eaters over nearly two decades, scientists found that the rate of death from heart disease was 28 percent lower in vegetarians than in meat-eaters.
One study analyzed eighty scientific studies in leading medical journals. The analysis found that vegetarians had lower blood pressure, and were less likely to suffer from stroke, heart attack, and kidney failure.
A large German study of nearly 2,000 vegetarians found that deaths from heart disease were reduced by over one-third, and that heart disease itself was far less than that of the general population.
Another large study examined the coronary artery disease risk of young adults ages 18 to 30 and vegetarians were found to have much higher levels of cardiovascular fitness and a greatly reduced risk of heart disease.
"The process of gradual blocking of the coronary arteries begins not in adulthood but in childhood...and the main cause of this arteriosclerosis is the steadily increasing amount of fat in the American diet, particularly saturated animal fats such as those found in meat, chicken, milk and cheeses. If there was another disease that caused half a million deaths a year, you can be sure that the public would be acutely aware of the danger, and that the cure or prevention would be universally practiced."
---Dr. Benjamin Spock, author, child expert
"I don't understand why asking people to eat a well-balanced vegetarian diet is considered drastic, while it is medically conservative to cut people open and put them on powerful cholesterol-lowering drugs for the rest of their lives."
---Dr. Dean Ornish, author, Reversing Heart Disease
Stroke is the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer. Vegetarians have a 20 to 30 percent reduced risk of having a stroke. Stroke, like heart disease, is associated with diets high in saturated fats, and the vegetarian diet is naturally low in these fats.
The Oxford Vegetarian Study found cancer mortality to be 39 percent lower among vegetarians when compared with meat-eaters. The European Prospective Investigation of Cancer found vegetarians suffer 40 percent fewer cancers than the general population.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 31, 2009 6:33 AM
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Ovarian, uterine, and endometrial cancers have all been shown to be strongly correlated to the amount of animal fat in one's diet, and vegetarian women have significantly lower rates of these cancers.
"The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all the natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined."
---Dr. Neal Barnard, Executive Director, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
"Vegetarians have the best diet. They have the lowest rate of coronary disease of any group in the country. They have a fraction of our heart attack rate and they have only 40 percent of our cancer rate."
---William Castelli, MD, Director, Framingham Heart Study
"Human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."
---Dr. William Roberts, editor-in-chief, American Journal of Cardiology
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Posted by: Beck on Oct 31, 2009 7:00 AM
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I have a hybrid and will sell personal offsets to anyone with a really big SUV. And there is a British website that sells cheating offsets: if you cheat on your spouse, you can buy offsets from a faithful spouse, and sleep easily.
I will have the website up and running soon, but then it's all up to you. You have to admit it makes as much sense as Meatless Mondays.
Speaking of which, a reminder:
Tuesdays are Too-Much Tuesdays. No buying excess. Get rid of excess. The world can't live as we do.
Wednesdays are Why Fly Wednesdays. If the whole world starts flying as much as Americans do, we're toast.
Saturdays and Sundays are Stay-Home, well, you know. Americans love to get away and go out on the weekends. The world can't accomodate everyone adopting our love of this. In a similar vein, Fridays are now Friendless Fridays. You can have friends if they are very nearby, otherwise, join the movement and save the planet.
Thursday is a day to make up for all the other days. Wait, every day can be a day to make up for all the other days. Dang.
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 31, 2009 8:26 AM
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The thing that I find most unappealing about veganism is its cultishness. Vegans on this forum, and elsewhere, will impart their revealed wisdom with the fervor of an evangelical, twice-born Christian or whatever passes for the same among Muslims.
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» human anatomy shows we're frugivorous (part 1)
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Just one point to keep health habit of eating.
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Also be aware:
methanol content of wine or aspartame becomes formaldehyde and then formic acid in humans -- co-factors for "morning after" hangovers -- folic acid protects most people: Rich Murray 2009.10.31
There is the same level of methanol from the 11% methanol part of the aspartame molecule in 2 L [ 6 cans ] aspartame beverages, as in 1 L dark wine or liquors.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/579335
Dermatitis. 2008; 19(3): E10-E11.
© 2008 American Contact Dermatitis Society
Formaldehyde, Aspartame, and Migraines: A Possible Connection
Sharon E. Jacob; Sarah Stechschulte
Published: 09/17/2008
Abstract
Aspartame is a widely used artificial sweetener
that has been linked to pediatric and adolescent migraines.
Upon ingestion, aspartame is broken, converted, and oxidized into formaldehyde in various tissues.
We present the first case series of aspartame-associated migraines related to clinically relevant positive reactions to formaldehyde on patch testing.
formaldehyde, aspartame, and migraines, the first case series, Sharon E Jacob-Soo, Sarah A Stechschulte, UCSD, Dermatitis 2008 May: Rich Murray 2008.07.18
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.htm
Friday, July 18, 2008
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1553
consider co-factors (methanol, formaldehyde, and protective folic acid), re UK FSA test of aspartame in candy bars on 50 reactors, Stephen L Atkin, Hull York Medical School: Rich Murray 2009.09.29
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.htm
Tuesday, September 29, 2009
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1587
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages
four Murray AspartameNM reviews in SE Jacob & SA Stechschulte debate with EG Abegaz & RG Bursey of Ajinomoto re migraines from formaldehyde from aspartame, Dermatitis 2009 May: TE Hugli -- folic acid with V-C protects: Rich Murray 2009.08.12
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.htm
Wednesday, August 12, 2009
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 31, 2009 11:37 PM
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It’s healthier to be a vegetarian. During the period of October 1917 to October 1918, war rationing forced the Danish government to put its citizens on a vegetarian diet. This was a “mass experiment in vegetarianism,” with over three million subjects. The results were astonishing. The mortality rate dropped by 34 percent. The very same phenomenon was observed in occupied Norway during the Second World War. After the war, heavy consumption of meat resumed, and the mortality rate shot up again.
Studies done at Yale University by Professor Irving Fisher demonstrated that flesh-eaters have less endurance than vegetarians. A similar study done by Dr. J. Ioteyko of the Academie de Medicine in Paris found that vegetarians have two to three times more stamina than flesh-eaters and they take only one-fifth the time to recover from exhaustion.
In recent years, there has been widespread concern about osteoporosis, which is epidemic in America, especially among older women. The popular myth has been to solve the problem by consuming more calcium. Yet this doesn’t attack the root of the problem.
Osteoporosis is caused by excess consumption of protein. Americans overdose on protein, getting 1.5 to 2 times more protein than their bodies can handle. The body can’t store excess protein, so the kidneys are forced to excrete it. In doing so, they must draw upon calcium from the bloodstream. This negative calcium balance in the blood is compensated for by calcium loss from the bones: osteoporosis. The calcium lost in the bones of flesh-eaters is 5 to 6 times greater than that lost in the bones of vegetarians.
Excessive protein intake also taxes the kidneys; in America, it is not uncommon to find many over 45 with kidney problems. A strong correlation between excessive protein intake and cancer of the breast, prostate, pancreas and colon has even been observed.
It must be pointed out that meat, fish, and eggs are the most acidic forming foods; heavy consumption of these foods will cause the body to draw upon calcium to restore its pH balance. The calcium lost from the bones gets into one’s urine and often crystallizes into kidney stones, which are found in far greater frequency among flesh-eaters than among vegetarians. Studies have found that vegetarians in the United States have less than half the kidney stones of the general population.
The high consumption of saturated fats and cholesterol leads to artherosclerosis—more popularly known as “hardening of the arteries.” Plant foods contain zero cholesterol and only palm oil, coconuts and chocolate contain saturated fats. Lowering the cholesterol and fat intake in one’s diet lowers the risk of heart disease—America’s biggest killer.
As far back as 1961, the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that “A vegetarian diet can prevent 97% of our coronary occlusions.” Much has been said about the advantage of polyunsaturated fats as a means of lowering cholesterol in the blood. Unfortunately, this also has the adverse side effect of driving the cholesterol out of the blood and into the colon; contributing to colon cancer. The best way to prevent heart disease is to avoid foods high in fat and cholesterol.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 31, 2009 11:37 PM
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It’s important to note that unprocessed plant foods are high in fiber and carbohydrates, while animal flesh has none. The highest incidence of breast cancer occurs among flesh-eating populations; meat eating women have a four times greater risk of developing breast cancer than do vegetarian women. There is also a greater risk of cervical, uterine, and ovarian cancer—all linked to diets high in fat. Men who consume large quantities of animal fat also have a 3.6 times greater risk of getting prostate cancer.
Diabetes is known to be treatable on a low fat, high fiber diet. Incidence of diabetes balloons among populations eating a rich, meat-based diet. Hypoglycemia is caused by the excessive consumption of meats, sugar and fat. Multiple Sclerosis is also treatable on a low-fat diet. MS is prevalent among populations where consumption of animal fats is high and is least common where such consumption is low. A brain tissue analysis of people with MS found a high saturated fat content.
Ulcers occur most frequently in diets which are acid forming, low in fiber and high in fats. Meat, fish, and eggs are the most acid forming of all foods, and animal flesh has no fiber and excess fat. Low fiber, high-fat diets are the principle cause of hemorrhoids and also diverticulosis—which affects 75 percent of Americans over the age of 75. Similarly, 35 percent of Americans are afflicted with some form of arthritis by the age of 35. Over 85 percent of all Americans over age 70 have arthritis, yet it is treatable on a fat free diet.
Excess cholesterol forms gallstones. Gallstones, as well as gallbladder disease and gallbladder cancer are usually found in people with low-fiber, high cholesterol, high fat diets. Hypertension is virtually unknown in countries where the intake of salt, fat and cholesterol is low. At the University Hospital in Linkoping, Sweden, even severe asthma patients were found to be treatable on a vegetarian diet. Flesh foods in America are also contaminated with coliform bacteria and salmonella. Much healthier alternatives exist.
William S. Collens and Gerald B. Dobkens conclude: “Examination of the dental structure of modern man reveals that he possesses all the features of a strictly herbivorous animal. While designed to subsist on vegetarian foods, he has perverted his dietary habits to accept food of the carnivore. It is postulated that man cannot handle carnivorous foods like the carnivore. Herein may lie the basis for the high incidence of arteriosclerotic disease.”
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 1, 2009 2:17 AM
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daily meat has no good influence.
in hunters cultures you eat meat a several time a week.
The hill tribes in northern thailand eat red meat(Pigs) at chinese newyear
But americans have to eat meat and chemics everyday.
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Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 1, 2009 6:03 AM
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Would any of you flesh-eaters eat a human, I wonder. There is no difference.
The greed and complete lack of critical-thinking and empathy in eating animals whose life is not yours to take confounds reason.
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Posted by: GPFrank on Nov 1, 2009 6:21 AM
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Being without gall bladder eating too much meat is immediately noticeable. Becomes much harder to keep clean.
A factor in spiking of morbidity associated with meat is hereditary cholestemia and triglyceride disease. Statins without changes in exercise, stress and diet do not help.
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Posted by: donotworry on Nov 1, 2009 7:53 AM
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I believe that no one do not want a health body!
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Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 1, 2009 12:30 PM
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Emotion is a human trait. You have no right to tell me NOT to be human.
Of course, emotion is involved. I would not confine and torture and kill a human for food any more than I would confine, torture and kill an animal. There is no difference.
It is simple, mindless, greed that people like you use to justify your behavior and actions.
You are profiting off the forced-breeding, confinement and torture of animals.
This is the worst kind of way I can imagine to make money.
Do you have no skills other than torturing and killing animals?
You DO NOT have any more moral right to take the life of an animal than you do the life of a human being.
Sorry, but I do not need to defend my emotion.
This is exactly what is lacking in this "society" today and the root cause of the decline of our civilization - mindless greed and lack of empathy.
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 1, 2009 7:14 PM
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Welcome to equality.
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Posted by: wwittman on Nov 1, 2009 8:05 PM
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why can't YOU just eat what you like and not worry about it?
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 1, 2009 9:43 PM
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But eating veggieburgers, fastfoodsalads etc. isnt any better.
James Oliver a fams english chef recommends no eat daily meat, and if you do quality meat.
Once a year red meat is enough to obtain B12.
I think the problem is the chemics in fast food.
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Posted by: sounddy on Nov 1, 2009 11:52 PM
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Because I am vkery health in eep my body health.
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Posted by: PillarKY on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 PM
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still, you have to respect everyone's right to raise and sell animal products.
local animal products can be much more sustainable, and less cruel, than globalized, packaged veg. based products. i'd eat a grass fed burger from my neighbor, who feeds no outside grains to his cows and treats his land with complete on-farm fertility and seed stocks, before i'd eat a tofu burger from soy grown somewhere far away, on bare lands, where carbon is released thru intensive tillage and "natural" chemicals and animal factory waste "organic fertilizers" are used by factory "organic" farms, and where fuels ship the stuff across the country, package it in plastic, and advertise in magazines printed on paper made from redwoods.
point is: there's no recipe for sustainability or cruelty-free diets. you just have to know your farmer, understand the land and your food system, and be aware, ok, and intimately involved with of the source of your nutrition.
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Posted by: dseilhan on Nov 4, 2009 9:58 AM
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1. We don't get enough sleep and when we do sleep, it's not dark enough in the room. This causes melatonin production to be shorted which leads to a cascade effect in screwing up the production of several neurotransmitters and hormones, including insulin. Lowered melatonin production also slows or stops the production of leptin which helps with fat-burning, and causes issues with the adrenal glands (thanks to stress) which further knocks things out of whack.
2. We produce too much insulin, which DOES screw with the endothelium in arteries.
3. Why do we produce too much insulin? Because we consume too much of what triggers insulin production: carbohydrate, especially sugars and starches. More so the sugars than the starches, actually, and...
4. ...Especially fructose. We eat such prodigiously high amounts of fructose now, it's scary. If the only sources of fructose we had were fruits and veggies, even with the modern plant foods we've bred to have more sugar in them, we'd get scant amounts of fructose yearly. We don't limit fructose intake to those things. We eat pounds and pounds of the stuff and it's very destructive to our livers, which also screws with insulin production and response. Until recently diabetics had an especially bad problem with this because fructose was recommended for them as a sugar substitute.
5. The other thing is we eat the wrong kinds of fats. Because of the campaign against saturated fat which was NOT based on science but on flawed studies and flawed conclusions to good studies... the composition of the fat we eat has, on average, changed drastically. Saturated fat intake has gone way down; polyunsaturated oil intake has gone way up. The problem is that we need saturated fat to build our cell membranes, and there is also a large amount of saturated fat and cholesterol in both the brain and the cardiac tissue, regardless of how we eat. It's there naturally as an energy source and support for those structures. We also use fat to make hormones so if we're not getting the right kind, our hormones go out of whack. If our bodies don't get saturated fat through diet, we make it from carbohydrate, which causes excess insulin release. So between the wrong fats messing up our hormones which also messes up our insulin, and our excess carb intake messing up our insulin... our artery linings don't stand a chance.
Nobody wants to look at the elephant in the living room. The Standard American Diet is not meat-based, it is grain- and soy-based. Nobody wants to admit this is bad for us. How did our ancestors, even as recently as a hundred years ago, get by without heart attacks from eating tallow and lard? Sugar was a lot more expensive back then, and they were getting the building blocks they needed for healthy bodies. It is not a matter of calories or fat storage. Food is also a source of NUTRIENTS. Eat the wrong ones and your body gets built and renewed with the wrong materials... presto, chronic disease.
Just because this guy has letters after his name and lots of honors doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. A lot of American dietary policy has been a case of the blind leading the blind. We're all intelligent enough here to do our own research outside the auspices of PETA and their ilk. Maybe it's time we started.
P.S. You're darn right I am what I eat. I'm an animal, not a corn stalk. Thanks for playing, though.
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Posted by: wisegalah on Oct 31, 2009 4:15 AM
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And advise anybody you know to avoid giving any business to these maggots.
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Posted by: CathyP on Oct 31, 2009 3:26 AM
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When carefully managed vegetarian diets are compared to carefully managed diets which include animal and fish products the animal/fish diets are healthier. For example, meat and fish supply taurine, DHA, carnosine, CoEnzyme Q10 and vitamin B12 which are difficult to obtain in a vegetarian diet.
For more see http://tinyurl.com/yaernqv
On a side note is AlterNet pushing a vegetarian diet for health or for political purposes as in feeding the millions of starving poor? If it is to feed the poor I'd enjoy seeing a strong push for population control. The important message such populations around the world need to hear is not that others need to become vegetarian in order to feed them. Rather these populations need to stop reproducing to the point of starvation.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 31, 2009 6:32 AM
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
---Albert Einstein
"Each year, the meat industrial complex abuses and butchers nearly 9 billion cows, pigs, sheep, turkeys, chickens, and other innocent, feeling animals just for the enjoyment of consumers. Each year, nearly 1.5 million of these consumers are crippled and killed prematurely by heart failure, cancer, stroke, and other chronic diseases that have been linked conclusively with the consumption of these animals. Each year, millions of other animals are abused and sacrificed in a vain search for a 'magic pill' that would vanquish these largely self-inflicted diseases."
---Alex Hershaft, PhD, president, Farm Animal Reform Movement
When analyzing 8,300 deaths in the United States, United Kingdom, and Germany among 76,000 men and women in five different, large studies, researchers concluded that vegetarians have a 24 percent reduction in death from heart disease.
Similarly, in the famous Oxford Vegetarian Study, where 6,000 vegetarians were compared with 5,000 meat-eaters over nearly two decades, scientists found that the rate of death from heart disease was 28 percent lower in vegetarians than in meat-eaters.
One study analyzed eighty scientific studies in leading medical journals. The analysis found that vegetarians had lower blood pressure, and were less likely to suffer from stroke, heart attack, and kidney failure.
A large German study of nearly 2,000 vegetarians found that deaths from heart disease were reduced by over one-third, and that heart disease itself was far less than that of the general population.
Another large study examined the coronary artery disease risk of young adults ages 18 to 30 and vegetarians were found to have much higher levels of cardiovascular fitness and a greatly reduced risk of heart disease.
"The process of gradual blocking of the coronary arteries begins not in adulthood but in childhood...and the main cause of this arteriosclerosis is the steadily increasing amount of fat in the American diet, particularly saturated animal fats such as those found in meat, chicken, milk and cheeses. If there was another disease that caused half a million deaths a year, you can be sure that the public would be acutely aware of the danger, and that the cure or prevention would be universally practiced."
---Dr. Benjamin Spock, author, child expert
"I don't understand why asking people to eat a well-balanced vegetarian diet is considered drastic, while it is medically conservative to cut people open and put them on powerful cholesterol-lowering drugs for the rest of their lives."
---Dr. Dean Ornish, author, Reversing Heart Disease
Stroke is the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer. Vegetarians have a 20 to 30 percent reduced risk of having a stroke. Stroke, like heart disease, is associated with diets high in saturated fats, and the vegetarian diet is naturally low in these fats.
The Oxford Vegetarian Study found cancer mortality to be 39 percent lower among vegetarians when compared with meat-eaters. The European Prospective Investigation of Cancer found vegetarians suffer 40 percent fewer cancers than the general population.
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Ovarian, uterine, and endometrial cancers have all been shown to be strongly correlated to the amount of animal fat in one's diet, and vegetarian women have significantly lower rates of these cancers.
"The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all the natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined."
---Dr. Neal Barnard, Executive Director, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
"Vegetarians have the best diet. They have the lowest rate of coronary disease of any group in the country. They have a fraction of our heart attack rate and they have only 40 percent of our cancer rate."
---William Castelli, MD, Director, Framingham Heart Study
"Human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."
---Dr. William Roberts, editor-in-chief, American Journal of Cardiology
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Posted by: Beck on Oct 31, 2009 7:00 AM
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I have a hybrid and will sell personal offsets to anyone with a really big SUV. And there is a British website that sells cheating offsets: if you cheat on your spouse, you can buy offsets from a faithful spouse, and sleep easily.
I will have the website up and running soon, but then it's all up to you. You have to admit it makes as much sense as Meatless Mondays.
Speaking of which, a reminder:
Tuesdays are Too-Much Tuesdays. No buying excess. Get rid of excess. The world can't live as we do.
Wednesdays are Why Fly Wednesdays. If the whole world starts flying as much as Americans do, we're toast.
Saturdays and Sundays are Stay-Home, well, you know. Americans love to get away and go out on the weekends. The world can't accomodate everyone adopting our love of this. In a similar vein, Fridays are now Friendless Fridays. You can have friends if they are very nearby, otherwise, join the movement and save the planet.
Thursday is a day to make up for all the other days. Wait, every day can be a day to make up for all the other days. Dang.
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 31, 2009 8:26 AM
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The thing that I find most unappealing about veganism is its cultishness. Vegans on this forum, and elsewhere, will impart their revealed wisdom with the fervor of an evangelical, twice-born Christian or whatever passes for the same among Muslims.
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Just one point to keep health habit of eating.
But one simple thing is difficult for some of us.MTS Video Converter
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Also be aware:
methanol content of wine or aspartame becomes formaldehyde and then formic acid in humans -- co-factors for "morning after" hangovers -- folic acid protects most people: Rich Murray 2009.10.31
There is the same level of methanol from the 11% methanol part of the aspartame molecule in 2 L [ 6 cans ] aspartame beverages, as in 1 L dark wine or liquors.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/579335
Dermatitis. 2008; 19(3): E10-E11.
© 2008 American Contact Dermatitis Society
Formaldehyde, Aspartame, and Migraines: A Possible Connection
Sharon E. Jacob; Sarah Stechschulte
Published: 09/17/2008
Abstract
Aspartame is a widely used artificial sweetener
that has been linked to pediatric and adolescent migraines.
Upon ingestion, aspartame is broken, converted, and oxidized into formaldehyde in various tissues.
We present the first case series of aspartame-associated migraines related to clinically relevant positive reactions to formaldehyde on patch testing.
formaldehyde, aspartame, and migraines, the first case series, Sharon E Jacob-Soo, Sarah A Stechschulte, UCSD, Dermatitis 2008 May: Rich Murray 2008.07.18
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.htm
Friday, July 18, 2008
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consider co-factors (methanol, formaldehyde, and protective folic acid), re UK FSA test of aspartame in candy bars on 50 reactors, Stephen L Atkin, Hull York Medical School: Rich Murray 2009.09.29
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages
four Murray AspartameNM reviews in SE Jacob & SA Stechschulte debate with EG Abegaz & RG Bursey of Ajinomoto re migraines from formaldehyde from aspartame, Dermatitis 2009 May: TE Hugli -- folic acid with V-C protects: Rich Murray 2009.08.12
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.htm
Wednesday, August 12, 2009
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It’s healthier to be a vegetarian. During the period of October 1917 to October 1918, war rationing forced the Danish government to put its citizens on a vegetarian diet. This was a “mass experiment in vegetarianism,” with over three million subjects. The results were astonishing. The mortality rate dropped by 34 percent. The very same phenomenon was observed in occupied Norway during the Second World War. After the war, heavy consumption of meat resumed, and the mortality rate shot up again.
Studies done at Yale University by Professor Irving Fisher demonstrated that flesh-eaters have less endurance than vegetarians. A similar study done by Dr. J. Ioteyko of the Academie de Medicine in Paris found that vegetarians have two to three times more stamina than flesh-eaters and they take only one-fifth the time to recover from exhaustion.
In recent years, there has been widespread concern about osteoporosis, which is epidemic in America, especially among older women. The popular myth has been to solve the problem by consuming more calcium. Yet this doesn’t attack the root of the problem.
Osteoporosis is caused by excess consumption of protein. Americans overdose on protein, getting 1.5 to 2 times more protein than their bodies can handle. The body can’t store excess protein, so the kidneys are forced to excrete it. In doing so, they must draw upon calcium from the bloodstream. This negative calcium balance in the blood is compensated for by calcium loss from the bones: osteoporosis. The calcium lost in the bones of flesh-eaters is 5 to 6 times greater than that lost in the bones of vegetarians.
Excessive protein intake also taxes the kidneys; in America, it is not uncommon to find many over 45 with kidney problems. A strong correlation between excessive protein intake and cancer of the breast, prostate, pancreas and colon has even been observed.
It must be pointed out that meat, fish, and eggs are the most acidic forming foods; heavy consumption of these foods will cause the body to draw upon calcium to restore its pH balance. The calcium lost from the bones gets into one’s urine and often crystallizes into kidney stones, which are found in far greater frequency among flesh-eaters than among vegetarians. Studies have found that vegetarians in the United States have less than half the kidney stones of the general population.
The high consumption of saturated fats and cholesterol leads to artherosclerosis—more popularly known as “hardening of the arteries.” Plant foods contain zero cholesterol and only palm oil, coconuts and chocolate contain saturated fats. Lowering the cholesterol and fat intake in one’s diet lowers the risk of heart disease—America’s biggest killer.
As far back as 1961, the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that “A vegetarian diet can prevent 97% of our coronary occlusions.” Much has been said about the advantage of polyunsaturated fats as a means of lowering cholesterol in the blood. Unfortunately, this also has the adverse side effect of driving the cholesterol out of the blood and into the colon; contributing to colon cancer. The best way to prevent heart disease is to avoid foods high in fat and cholesterol.
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It’s important to note that unprocessed plant foods are high in fiber and carbohydrates, while animal flesh has none. The highest incidence of breast cancer occurs among flesh-eating populations; meat eating women have a four times greater risk of developing breast cancer than do vegetarian women. There is also a greater risk of cervical, uterine, and ovarian cancer—all linked to diets high in fat. Men who consume large quantities of animal fat also have a 3.6 times greater risk of getting prostate cancer.
Diabetes is known to be treatable on a low fat, high fiber diet. Incidence of diabetes balloons among populations eating a rich, meat-based diet. Hypoglycemia is caused by the excessive consumption of meats, sugar and fat. Multiple Sclerosis is also treatable on a low-fat diet. MS is prevalent among populations where consumption of animal fats is high and is least common where such consumption is low. A brain tissue analysis of people with MS found a high saturated fat content.
Ulcers occur most frequently in diets which are acid forming, low in fiber and high in fats. Meat, fish, and eggs are the most acid forming of all foods, and animal flesh has no fiber and excess fat. Low fiber, high-fat diets are the principle cause of hemorrhoids and also diverticulosis—which affects 75 percent of Americans over the age of 75. Similarly, 35 percent of Americans are afflicted with some form of arthritis by the age of 35. Over 85 percent of all Americans over age 70 have arthritis, yet it is treatable on a fat free diet.
Excess cholesterol forms gallstones. Gallstones, as well as gallbladder disease and gallbladder cancer are usually found in people with low-fiber, high cholesterol, high fat diets. Hypertension is virtually unknown in countries where the intake of salt, fat and cholesterol is low. At the University Hospital in Linkoping, Sweden, even severe asthma patients were found to be treatable on a vegetarian diet. Flesh foods in America are also contaminated with coliform bacteria and salmonella. Much healthier alternatives exist.
William S. Collens and Gerald B. Dobkens conclude: “Examination of the dental structure of modern man reveals that he possesses all the features of a strictly herbivorous animal. While designed to subsist on vegetarian foods, he has perverted his dietary habits to accept food of the carnivore. It is postulated that man cannot handle carnivorous foods like the carnivore. Herein may lie the basis for the high incidence of arteriosclerotic disease.”
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 1, 2009 2:17 AM
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daily meat has no good influence.
in hunters cultures you eat meat a several time a week.
The hill tribes in northern thailand eat red meat(Pigs) at chinese newyear
But americans have to eat meat and chemics everyday.
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Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 1, 2009 6:03 AM
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Would any of you flesh-eaters eat a human, I wonder. There is no difference.
The greed and complete lack of critical-thinking and empathy in eating animals whose life is not yours to take confounds reason.
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» WHY SHOULD "EMOTION BE LEFT OUT OF IT"? ARE YOU INHUMAN WITHOUT EMOTIONS?
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» Yes, but you've completely dropped rational thought.
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Posted by: GPFrank on Nov 1, 2009 6:21 AM
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Being without gall bladder eating too much meat is immediately noticeable. Becomes much harder to keep clean.
A factor in spiking of morbidity associated with meat is hereditary cholestemia and triglyceride disease. Statins without changes in exercise, stress and diet do not help.
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Posted by: donotworry on Nov 1, 2009 7:53 AM
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I believe that no one do not want a health body!
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Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 1, 2009 12:30 PM
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Emotion is a human trait. You have no right to tell me NOT to be human.
Of course, emotion is involved. I would not confine and torture and kill a human for food any more than I would confine, torture and kill an animal. There is no difference.
It is simple, mindless, greed that people like you use to justify your behavior and actions.
You are profiting off the forced-breeding, confinement and torture of animals.
This is the worst kind of way I can imagine to make money.
Do you have no skills other than torturing and killing animals?
You DO NOT have any more moral right to take the life of an animal than you do the life of a human being.
Sorry, but I do not need to defend my emotion.
This is exactly what is lacking in this "society" today and the root cause of the decline of our civilization - mindless greed and lack of empathy.
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 1, 2009 7:14 PM
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Welcome to equality.
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Posted by: wwittman on Nov 1, 2009 8:05 PM
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why can't YOU just eat what you like and not worry about it?
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 1, 2009 9:43 PM
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But eating veggieburgers, fastfoodsalads etc. isnt any better.
James Oliver a fams english chef recommends no eat daily meat, and if you do quality meat.
Once a year red meat is enough to obtain B12.
I think the problem is the chemics in fast food.
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Posted by: sounddy on Nov 1, 2009 11:52 PM
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Because I am vkery health in eep my body health.
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Posted by: PillarKY on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 PM
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still, you have to respect everyone's right to raise and sell animal products.
local animal products can be much more sustainable, and less cruel, than globalized, packaged veg. based products. i'd eat a grass fed burger from my neighbor, who feeds no outside grains to his cows and treats his land with complete on-farm fertility and seed stocks, before i'd eat a tofu burger from soy grown somewhere far away, on bare lands, where carbon is released thru intensive tillage and "natural" chemicals and animal factory waste "organic fertilizers" are used by factory "organic" farms, and where fuels ship the stuff across the country, package it in plastic, and advertise in magazines printed on paper made from redwoods.
point is: there's no recipe for sustainability or cruelty-free diets. you just have to know your farmer, understand the land and your food system, and be aware, ok, and intimately involved with of the source of your nutrition.
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Posted by: dseilhan on Nov 4, 2009 9:58 AM
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1. We don't get enough sleep and when we do sleep, it's not dark enough in the room. This causes melatonin production to be shorted which leads to a cascade effect in screwing up the production of several neurotransmitters and hormones, including insulin. Lowered melatonin production also slows or stops the production of leptin which helps with fat-burning, and causes issues with the adrenal glands (thanks to stress) which further knocks things out of whack.
2. We produce too much insulin, which DOES screw with the endothelium in arteries.
3. Why do we produce too much insulin? Because we consume too much of what triggers insulin production: carbohydrate, especially sugars and starches. More so the sugars than the starches, actually, and...
4. ...Especially fructose. We eat such prodigiously high amounts of fructose now, it's scary. If the only sources of fructose we had were fruits and veggies, even with the modern plant foods we've bred to have more sugar in them, we'd get scant amounts of fructose yearly. We don't limit fructose intake to those things. We eat pounds and pounds of the stuff and it's very destructive to our livers, which also screws with insulin production and response. Until recently diabetics had an especially bad problem with this because fructose was recommended for them as a sugar substitute.
5. The other thing is we eat the wrong kinds of fats. Because of the campaign against saturated fat which was NOT based on science but on flawed studies and flawed conclusions to good studies... the composition of the fat we eat has, on average, changed drastically. Saturated fat intake has gone way down; polyunsaturated oil intake has gone way up. The problem is that we need saturated fat to build our cell membranes, and there is also a large amount of saturated fat and cholesterol in both the brain and the cardiac tissue, regardless of how we eat. It's there naturally as an energy source and support for those structures. We also use fat to make hormones so if we're not getting the right kind, our hormones go out of whack. If our bodies don't get saturated fat through diet, we make it from carbohydrate, which causes excess insulin release. So between the wrong fats messing up our hormones which also messes up our insulin, and our excess carb intake messing up our insulin... our artery linings don't stand a chance.
Nobody wants to look at the elephant in the living room. The Standard American Diet is not meat-based, it is grain- and soy-based. Nobody wants to admit this is bad for us. How did our ancestors, even as recently as a hundred years ago, get by without heart attacks from eating tallow and lard? Sugar was a lot more expensive back then, and they were getting the building blocks they needed for healthy bodies. It is not a matter of calories or fat storage. Food is also a source of NUTRIENTS. Eat the wrong ones and your body gets built and renewed with the wrong materials... presto, chronic disease.
Just because this guy has letters after his name and lots of honors doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. A lot of American dietary policy has been a case of the blind leading the blind. We're all intelligent enough here to do our own research outside the auspices of PETA and their ilk. Maybe it's time we started.
P.S. You're darn right I am what I eat. I'm an animal, not a corn stalk. Thanks for playing, though.
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Posted by: donotworry on Nov 13, 2009 5:14 AM
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