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What If Being Fat Is Not Your Fault? America's Obesity Epidemic May Be Fueled by Chemicals in Everyday Products

Chemicals called 'obesogens' are in our food, cars and homes, according to recent scientific studies -- and they may be making us fat.
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It's hard to escape the image of Americans as slothful and overweight. But what if being fat weren't totally our fault?

The narrative we pound into our heads everyday is that we live in a country where fast food rules, where morning coffee drinks can provide nearly one-quarter of your daily calories before you even get to breakfast, and where you can have pizza topped with Oreos.

And there's the issue that less than a quarter of us exercise regularly, and on average we spend 142 hours a month lounging on our couches, our eyes glued to a TV.

So it's no wonder that the Centers for Disease Control report that more than a staggering 60 percent of adults and 16 percent of children are obese. In the last three decades, obesity has doubled among adults and tripled among children. And experts say there are a range of issues that contribute to it -- the most obvious is of course diet and exercise.

But there is also sleep deprivation (we're sleeping less these days), drugs such as anti-depressants and anti-diabetics, as well as genes, metabolism, culture and socioeconomic status (and I would add advertising, although that hasn't made it to any CDC list).

And there is another factor that has only started gaining attention lately, but may be a hugely important factor, especially in helping to explain why some people who exercise and eat well still can't keep off the pounds. It has to do with chemicals in our environment, particularly in many of the products we come in contact with each day -- from our food to our floors.

There is a lot of emphasis on personal responsibility when it comes to weight, but the prevalence of something scientists are now calling "obesogens" may put a crinkle in that posturing.

Sharon Begley of Newsweek reported:

Evidence has been steadily accumulating that certain hormone-mimicking pollutants, ubiquitous in the food chain, have two previously unsuspected effects. They act on genes in the developing fetus and newborn to turn more precursor cells into fat cells, which stay with you for life. And they may alter metabolic rate, so that the body hoards calories rather than burning them, like a physiological Scrooge.

In addition to the plague of Big Macs, we now also have to figure exposure to chemical pollutants as a contributor to the obesity epidemic.

How Did We Get So Big?

Since studying obesity in adults is tricky due to the high number of factors, the most compelling research on the subject has come from a study from the Harvard School of Public Health in 2006 that looked at medical records of more that 120,000 kids over a 22-year period.

What the researchers found was that "the prevalence of overweight children less than 6 years old jumped 59 percent, from 6.3 to 10 percent." And even more shocking, "The results show surprising increases in the number of overweight children up to 6 months old. From 1980 to 2001, the increase in overweight infants ballooned 74 percent."

This is bad news for these kids later in life because "accelerated weight gain in the first few months after birth is associated with obesity later in life," said Matthew Gillman, an associate professor at Harvard Medical School and one of the study's authors.

So what's the connection between chubby babies, the obesity epidemic and chemical pollutants? Actually, significantly more research. (Warning: A lot of mice were harmed to write this story.)

In 2002, an unknown Scottish academic published a paper about the link between obesity and synthetic chemicals, the Newsweek article explains. This eventually triggered some interest from others in the field.

Already in Japan, scientists were finding that bisphenol A (a chemical compound used to make plastic drinking bottles and baby bottles, among other things) pushed certain cells to become fat cells in experiments performed in the lab and also acelerated the growth of existing fat cells. If their results held true outside the lab in people, it would mean that BPA, and potentially other synthetic chemicals, were in fact contributing to obesity.

So researchers kept plugging away.

The next break came from a study done in the U.S on mice that were given low doses of estrogen-micking chemicals, and they were found to gain weight even when given the same amount of food and exercise as other mice.

Then in 2006, Bruce Bloomberg at the University of California, Irvine exposed pregnant mice to a chemical called tributyltin, which is found in marine paints and plastics and often ends up in people through drinking water. Begley writes that he found that, "The offspring were born with more fat already stored, more fat cells, and became 5 to 20 percent fatter by adulthood."

She explained:

The tributyltin activated a receptor called PPAR gamma, which acts like a switch for cells' fate: in one position it allows cells to remain fibroblasts, in another it guides them to become fat cells. (It is because the diabetes drugs Actos and Avandia activate PPAR gamma that one of their major side effects is obesity.) The effect was so strong and so reliable that Blumberg thought compounds that reprogram cells' fate like this deserved a name of their own: obesogens.

As later tests would show, tributyltin is not the only obesogen that acts on the PPAR pathway, leading to more fat cells. So do some phthalates (used to make vinyl plastics, such as those used in shower curtains and, until the 1990s, plastic food wrap), bisphenol A and perfluoroalkyl compounds (used in stain repellents and nonstick-cooking surfaces).

And more studies confirm the affect on actual people. Begley again:

In 2005, scientists in Spain reported that the more pesticides children were exposed to as fetuses, the greater their risk of being overweight as toddlers. And last January, scientists in Belgium found that children exposed to higher levels of PCBs and DDE (the breakdown product of the pesticide DDT) before birth were fatter than those exposed to lower levels.

Neither study proves causation, but they "support the findings in experimental animals," says [Retha Newbold of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences in North Carolina]. They "show a link between exposure to environmental chemicals ... and the development of obesity."

Since then, the research from other areas has been trickling in as well, such as a recent study in Michigan that found prenatal exposure to DDT may be contributing to obesity in women.

It's Not You, It's Everything Around You

Certainly this research doesn't mean that all cases of obesity are the result of chemicals and that factors like diet and exercise aren't important. They still are. But especially for younger kids who are growing up in an increasingly more toxic environment, these chemicals may be all around them (and their moms during pregnancy).

Let's take a look at some of these chemicals.

The "plasticizer" phthalates for instance, are so ubiqutous that an estimated 1 billion pounds are produced each year worldwide. The Environmental Working Group reports that phthalates are found in "toys, food packaging, hoses, raincoats, shower curtains, vinyl flooring, wall coverings, lubricants, adhesives, detergents, nail polish, hair spray and shampoo."

PCBs were used as coolants and lubricants in electric equipment and have also been added to plastics, inks, adhesives, paints, and flame retardants. PCBs are not only into the products we buy but is in the air and water, and many people are exposed to them through eating certain kinds of fish -- especially the ones highest on the food chain.

Bisphenol A (or BPA) is often found in hard plastics, including baby bottles, food-storage containers, water coolers, dental fillings, the lining inside canned goods, sports equipment, CDs, sunglasses ... the list goes on.

All of these are among the much-maligned class of chemicals known as "endocrine disruptors," which responsible for other such feats in nature as sex-changing fish. In humans, we are learning that they are a frightening menace. Joan Melcher of Miller-McCune reports:

In June, the Endocrine Society, a nearly century-old international association of endocrinologists, issued a statement in which its position was clear. In a 50-page paper, the first scientific statement issued by the society, authors wrote: "We present evidence that endocrine disruptors have effects on male and female reproduction, breast development and cancer, prostate cancer, neuroendocrinology, thyroid, metabolism and obesity and cardiovascular endocrinology. Results from animal models, human clinical observations and epidemiology studies converge to implicate EDCs as a significant concern to public health.

Not only are these chemicals everywhere, but are contributing to much more than obesity, as well.

A Public Health Issue

It turns out that being overweight is costly. The CDC reports that in 2000, obesity related health care costs came to $117 billion. And there has been a surge in spending as we are getting more obese and health care costs are skyrocketing.

Begley reports that health care costs are higher for those who are overweight or obese compared to other adults -- about $1,470 more annually.

"If those outsize costs inspire greater efforts to prevent and treat obesity, fine. But if they lead to demonizing the obese -- caricaturing them as indolent pigs raising insurance premiums for the rest of us -- that's a problem, and not only for ethical reasons: It threatens to obscure that one potent cause of weight gain may be largely beyond an individual's control."

And these chemicals that are contributing to obesity are the nexus of environmental and health concerns. The more dangerous chemicals are allowed to proliferate in our air, water, food and the products around our homes, the greater the threat to our own health, and the more of a burden it places on a health care system teetering at the edge of catastrophe.

So what do we do?

"Part of the hesitation to discuss the issue publicly has been rooted in the omnipresence of these chemicals and the dumbfounded response that society would have if pressed to eliminate literally all, or even a majority of, the streams through which they are delivered to us," wrote Rachel Cernansky for Planet Green. "It's a problem that is truly not easy to solve. But the effects of chemicals on human health are becoming clearer by the day, and we just might be close to a tipping point. Obesogens will, for the first time, be a major focus at a government-sponsored meeting this fall."

As scientists and regulators learn more about the links between obesity and endocrine disruptors, you can play it safe by finding ways to detox your home from some of these chemicals and help ban others, such as BPA.

Tara Lohan is a senior editor at AlterNet. You can follow her on Twitter @TaraLohan.
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RE: Why doesn’t anyone ever mention the correlation between Feminism and obesity?
Posted by: Lily H. on Oct 3, 2009 12:36 AM   
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Guess that means fatboy Rush Limbaugh's mother must have taken home too many hoagies and extra-large pizzas. Speaking of "Mommy Dearest", isn't it about time you got around to that "traditional minded" Russian mail order bride you've been meaning to but keep putting off? By the way, you never did answer my question of why you pay your maid in foreign currency you referred to in the Alternet article about housework?

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RE: Why doesn’t anyone ever mention the correlation between Feminism and obesity?
Posted by: Annarisse on Oct 3, 2009 3:53 AM   
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Seems to me there's still plenty of people about to guilt-trip moms. No one ever asks why the dads don't stay home.

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RE: Why doesn’t anyone ever mention the correlation between Feminism and obesity?
Posted by: Mbell on Oct 3, 2009 7:23 AM   
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Because correlation does not equal causation, troll.

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maybe YOUR Mommie Dearest didn't
Posted by: paulaH on Oct 3, 2009 10:11 AM   
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I worked 50+ hours per week, drove an hour to get home, then cooked a well balanced meal for my family. Now I go to school and do it. I cook almost every night, making sure we have veggies and fruit. Most of my female--and yes, tending towards feminist--friends are the same.

Of course, in our economy, very few women can be stay at home Moms and cook nightly. I can't blame women who don't cook balanced meals every night. When men get home, their day is done. When a woman gets home, her second job has just started.

A lot of women I know want to work; more that I know would prefer to stay home but can't. Why don't YOU go home and cook a balanced meal every night.

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Oh, don't mind Anty
Posted by: BlueTigress on Oct 4, 2009 10:49 AM   
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He's still smarting over that one time while he was still in grad school and his mother, who works a sixty-hour week in addition to taking care of his spoiled ass, got an opportunity to go and do something fun and told him he would have to make his own dinner for once.

It didn't come out very well so now he thinks that every woman on the planet owes him a blowjob and a hot meal in that order.

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Learn to cook then,mysogynist!
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Oct 4, 2009 10:58 AM   
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Both of my parents cooked and I learned to cook as well. Cooking shouldn't be something only women do,idiot.

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I remain somewhat sceptical
Posted by: akai ringo on Oct 3, 2009 2:07 AM   
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I agree unreservedly with the latter part of this piece, which points out that health care costs increase in line with obesity. Diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, cerebral infarction, etc., etc., are all more prevalent among the obese. But I am somewhat sceptical about the extent of the link between obesity and the chemicals found in platic bottles and the like. Unless there are clear and identifiable differnces between the manufacturing process of plastic bottles, shampoos, etc., in Japan, where I live, and the U.S. why is it that here in Japan, where platic bottles and the like are ubiquitous, in my journeyings around Tokyo and elsewhere, in urban and rural districts, I only very rarely see someone I would describe as obese? On the other hand, if I think of some of the formative factors in education and daily life, for example that at least before and through the compulsory education process, a great deal of attention is paid to ensuring that children eat healthily, that local governments across the whole country put a lot of emphasis on encouraging people to exercise, to eat nutritiously, to walk or cycle instead of using the car, and so on, my personal view is that these traditional factors are still much more significant than obesogenic chemicals. It would not surprise me, however, to read in the not too distant future of the marketing of a range of new, anti-obesogenic drugs.

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Fault
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 3, 2009 3:02 AM   
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So the trace chemicals in our shower curtains and drinking water have secretly been making us fat, while we've been sitting here innocently watching sports and reality shows, eating our Big Macs, cheese steaks, and Doritos?

It makes you long for simpler times when we had more wholesome and natural excuses like having big bones and retaining water.

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I doubt chemicals are the whole story...
Posted by: Vinkenoog on Oct 3, 2009 3:25 AM   
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but I'm sure they play a part. Add in the lack of exercise most people get, crappy diets and high-fructose corn syrup in everything and it's no wonder so many people in America are so very fat. Just another nail in our collective coffin.

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We Cannot Afford To Chase Down Minimal Factors
Posted by: drricklippin on Oct 3, 2009 5:26 AM   
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All diseases/disorders are multifactoral.Genes,health habits,socioconomic status (SES),environment are contributory.

But the likelyhood/level of synthetic chemicals to contributing to obesity is very likely miniscule.

We really need to keep our eyes on the most likely risks.(diet,excercise,SES) and allocate our limited resources toward those risks

I might had that the issue of "self blame" or "sin" has no place in contemporary medicine.

Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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It's too easy
Posted by: andrushka on Oct 3, 2009 5:55 AM   
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to blame outside sources like plastics etc..for some of the causes of obesity. The more plausible sources are more plebeian, like junk-food, eating constantly rather than 3 times a day. Oversize portions of food such as
pizzas the size of a cycle wheel. potato-couch eating, etc......

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This is a no-brainer: trans fatty acids likely cause of obesity
Posted by: brianct on Oct 3, 2009 5:58 AM   
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Modern obesity had its beginnings in the 1980s...go back before then, and its less common...how many obese people do you see in 1950s photos films etc?
This tells us that something has changed in modern cultures where obesity is common..Something new was added last century..If you go to philippines, you will see little in the way of obesity. Ditto with japan...etc.Reason? their diets are still fairly traditional.
NOW our foods have been fiddled with for varius scientific and commercial reasons: greed by food companies eager to have us digest their product (eg soy flour in bread, where it neednt be at all); GM canola in many canned and bottled goods,,,and of course, trans-fatty acids predominate, created by those who had us afraid of saturated fats...

Ths clue to the obesity epidemic lies here.. in hydrogenation of unsaturated fats...this is something new in human diets...

'Passwater: Dr. Enig, a lot of people are interested in "trans" fats now. You have been researching them since 1977. How are trans fats harmful to us?

Enig: More than a decade of research at the University of Maryland, as well as research that was being done at other institutions, showed that consumption of trans fatty acids from partially hydrogenated (a process that adds hydrogen to solidify or harden) vegetable fats and oils had many adverse effects in health areas such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, immunity, reproduction and lactation, and obesity. It is rather easy today to come up with a long list of these adverse effects from the published research done by many scientists around the world, as well as the researchers at the University of Maryland.'

transfatty acids cause abdominal fat

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Oh, Pul-eese
Posted by: Ka-bird on Oct 3, 2009 6:06 AM   
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I live in Belgium, which uses as much or more plastic than the US and obesity is still rare. There are multiple factors, of course, but the basic fact remains the same: our calorie intake does not exceed our calorie output. We eat less meat (but more cheese and wine) but don't live in our cars. We walk to places. We bike to places. We eat less fast food. Our children walk and bike -- like US kids used to do.

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Mitochondrial DNA is inherited
Posted by: bthespoon on Oct 3, 2009 6:07 AM   
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...and has a lot to do with how efficiently one's body is able to burn energy.

Then there are all sorts of hormones from grelin and leptin (that determine a body's ability or inability to feel hungry or satiated) to adrenal stress hormones that can make a huge difference too. A cascade of bad-for-you health effects (weight gain) awaits anyone who develops trouble sleeping for any reason. Many women who were never overwieght previously become overweight after menopause without changing their diet.

Of course diet and exercise are important, but still Oprah Winfrey has to work ten times harder to never be able to look as good as Halle Berry does naturally.

After we gain more information and public awareness, I believe someday we as a nation will be ashamed at how we discriminate against overweight people.

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It's simple
Posted by: len2 on Oct 3, 2009 6:20 AM   
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America being overweight is Big Business, for the BigFood and BigFarm corps that meticulously engineer salt/fat/sweet in their industrial food-like substances to sucker sheeple into buying and eating their high-calorie-density junk.

BigBusiness for health providers who pocket $200B/year on overweight and related diseases.

As always, follow the money.

One can always counter the never-ending, always expanding toxic fog of medicalizing BS (like this article) about fat (aka "It ain't my fault I'm fat."), the simple truth is that Americans overeat, and eat lots of dead crap.

If you want to lose weight, maintain leanness, eat less. This is the key, NOT exercise.

If you want to be fit, exercise.

Trying to exercise away your overeating is risible stupidity.

If man made it, don't put in your mouth.

If man didn't eat it 10,000 years ago, don't eat it now.

If it doesn't rot, don't eat it.
("It's dead, Jim")

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These chemicals are only part of it...
Posted by: cortez on Oct 3, 2009 6:30 AM   
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The chemicals that are all around us could easily be causing the higher rates of cancer,asthma, parkinsons, ms, and yes, obesity, too.

It is amazing how otherwise intelligent people insist on fertilizing their lawns and having pesticides sprayed only to play with their kids and pets on the lawns hours later. Do they think their health problems (many)are unrelated and that the chemicals are not tracked back into the house? In most neighborhoods not dumping chemicals on your lawn makes you a renegade (guilty as charged). There is a mindset at work here that is not only environmentally unfriendly it is also unhealthy.

Added to the chemicals in the house there are those we put in our bodies. High fructose corn syrup is everywhere as is Splenda and all those other artificial sweeteners, which are chemicals that change your sense of taste, among other things, so you get used to intense sweet flavors, which makes you crave more (super-sized drinks and 1500 calorie burgers did not exist in the 1950s), which leads to eating more...

Then add into the mix the trans fats in fast food and the fact that in this country people tend to eat and run, or even eat and drive or eat and email/text. Enjoying food with family and friends at a leisurely pace could also be part of the answer as stress affects the body as do social factors (eating alone in the car while running errands is not the same as having a long lunch with colleagues or family).

A lack of sleep, lack of vacation time, and most certainly a lack of economic security (jobs, health insurance)also play their parts in the obesity puzzle.

The article was interesting but only the tip of the obesity iceberg, methinks.

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Geographical Obesity: A Possible Cause
Posted by: Triton on Oct 3, 2009 6:42 AM   
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The suspect chemicals are distributed world wide yet this so called chemically induced obesity appears to be centered in the United States. Perhaps the cause of obesity in this country is more related to the actions of corrupt politicians who support the needs of Big Agra rather than the health of the citizens.

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Is fat the new gay or what?
Posted by: hagwind on Oct 3, 2009 7:15 AM   
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This progression from "it's a sin" to "it's a health issue" to "they can't help it" is beginning to look real familiar. In fact, a run through the lyrics of "Gee, Officer Krupke," from West Side Story, reminds me that other kinds of "deviance" have gone through a similar progression.

When the subject of fat comes up, even AlterNet journalists lose whatever critical faculties they've got. This article, like so many others, never distinguishes between "fat," "overweight," and "obese." Like obscenity, I guess, we're supposed to know it when we see it. And it's irresponsible for a supposedly progressive website to intone stuff like "CDC reports that in 2000, obesity related health care costs came to $117 billion" without at least alluding to the other factors involved, like poverty and depression.

And while we're at it, could you give the word "epidemic" a rest? That way I'd at least have the illusion that you're not parroting the same script as the mainstream media.

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Well, it's certainly a relief to know...
Posted by: wildbill on Oct 3, 2009 7:29 AM   
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...that I didn't get fat just because I eat too much of all the wrong things and live a sedentary lifestyle, sitting here at my computer, responding to blogs like this!

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Many of you don't have endocrine issues now...
Posted by: clvngodess on Oct 3, 2009 7:46 AM   
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But you may. I do, and I'm active, vegetarian, don't eat super size of any kind. And have had issues with my weight bouncing up and down, no matter what I did to maintain a healthy weight.

Turns out, I have a disease that is now affecting more and more people, specifically women. Hashimoto's Disease. It's an autoimmune affliction that essentially inflames and destroys the thyroid. So I'm now a middle aged menopausal woman who is an uncomfortable 30 pounds over weight. The meds don't help to burn off the gain.

Sadly, flouride is a contributor. Soy is a contributor. Gluten is a contributor. Drinking tea, or any alcohol contributes. MSG contributes. Canola oil contributes. Corn contributes. And according to my physician the combination of various hormones in dairy and other products along with chemicals such as endocrine disruptors are all contributors to why my thyroid is now not functioning.

Add to that, that this condition may show up with "normal" readings in blood work, but have other symptoms; hair loss, increased sleeping/fatigue, brittle skin and nails, anemia, depression and other symtoms....

I'm not fat because I'm lazy and super size while watching football, things I do not do. I'm fat because my body cannot handle what was hidden in my food which then contributed to the destruction response to my thyroid. And I probably had this disease my whole life and no one bothered to check.

There are a lot of hidden poisons in our foods disguised as spices, natural flavors, hydrogenated fats, high fructose corn sweeteners, modified food starch or soy proteins, all of which have an accumulative effect on the body. What you end up with all depends on how your body manages to utilize the crap we eat.

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Shopping tips
Posted by: 2dogarage on Oct 3, 2009 7:48 AM   
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With few exceptions there are only two sections in most supermarkets that are worth visiting, the meat section and the fresh produce section. Realizing this simple fact has not only made my diet healthier but has simplified my shopping drastically. Anything that comes in a box is likely loaded with chemicals, I personally avoid the entire middle part of the store except for things like toilet paper and tea.

A good way to avoid pthalates is to filter your own tap water, download into glass bottles (I use Synergy Kombucha bottles)and store in the refrigerator for travel.

I also choose to live in the mountains where the air is clean(er) and there is no toxic industry nearby.

Some people bemoan what big business is doing to our air, water and food and yet choose to have children in areas that are obviously highly polluted.

Perhaps if each individual were to weigh the pros and cons of their own actions and instead of blaming the agents of entropy that lurk without insist on a world that fosters health and not death things would change.

In the meantime it's fairly simple for a conscious person to avoid the near occasion of obesity and ill-health by industrial predation.

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HELLO!
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 3, 2009 7:59 AM   
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Excellent article. It is about time we started to realize obesity is far more complex than lifestyles. The blame the individual came from when society, grappling with unprecedented change, needed a prejudice it could live with. Since the perception (never backed by real science) was that fat people caused their own condition, they were the perfect deviant. This was greatly exploited by Pharma's marketing department, as most of the anti-obesity hysteria now comes from Pharma's PR department.

One thing that sticks in my beautiful, HEALTHY ample derriere though is that they keep using stats from the CDC as to how fat we are. The CDC is in the back pocket of special interests. Weight standards were lowered against good science to sell more pills. The CDC is to Pharma what the Federal Reserve is to bankers.

Thanks to Alternet for their courage in printing this. As for all those who remain skeptical, maybe it is time for you to look inside and ask yourself why. Maybe fat hatred serves a psychological function for you. Maybe you are projecting your own resistance to grow emotionally on fat people. You can only see us as refusing to change our bodies because at some level you refuse to open your minds.

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The devil made me do it
Posted by: mrxls on Oct 3, 2009 8:03 AM   
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When you eat more than you use your body stores the difference. Oh some foods get stored more "efficiently" and some metabolisms do a better job of retaining those extra calories but the bottom line is unless you achieve caloric balance in and out you'll gain weight.

When I see an obese person I think impulsiveness, sloth, ignorance and suffering. I also think they're probably having a lot of fun eating and are happy to avoid the pain of physical activity. I don't need some reason to absolve friends and family members who are obese of responsibility for their condition in order to love and cherish them. Obesity is not someone's essence but it is a reflection on how they are choosing to go through life.

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There is a Solution - but you're not allowed to have it!
Posted by: stellabloo on Oct 3, 2009 8:09 AM   
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There is a perfect food that can easily be added to breads and cereals, actually, pretty much anything. It can't be grown in Amerika because it is ILLEGAL.

History of Hemp Hearts

"... I was certainly not the first to discover that the “heart” of the hemp seed could be used to change diets and reverse serious health conditions. The Latin name for the hemp plant, cannabis sativa, means most perfect food, but for at least seven thousand years before the plant was given its Latin name, human history was frequently linked to the use of hemp seeds for health and energy.

"The most comprehensive and amazing scientific study ever performed on the effect of the “heart” of the hemp seed on human health was undertaken by Dr. Jan Kabelik, director of The Institute of Hygiene and Epidemiology at Palacky University, Dr. F. Santavy, director of the Institute of Medical Chemistry at Palacky University and Dr. Josef Sirek, Chairman of the Tuberculosis Hospital at Jince, Czechoslovakia.

"For over thirty years, when modern drugs were not available, these doctors and their many colleagues used the dissolved “hearts” of hemp seeds ... to cure tuberculosis in all of the individuals treated--mostly children. Their records of their procedures and results are meticulous ... The doctors credited their success to the unique protein composition of hemp seeds. "

Open Secrets: Lobbying Spending Database

The top lobbyists of all time include the American Medical Association, the American Hospitals Association and Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing. In short, sickness is Big Business. In other words, the System is not interested in fixing the Problem.

The unemployment rate is close to 10%? Once 10% of amerikans are eliminated either by going to prison or into a hospital, then the economic crisis will be "officially" over. You don't think so? Ask yourself (or better yet, your government representative) why something as innocuous and beneficial as industrial hemp is STILL illegal in the Land of the "Free".

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IF STUDY IS CORRECT
Posted by: Birdland on Oct 3, 2009 8:15 AM   
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We should all be fat. Few of us eat fresh foods only. My doctor looked at me last week and told me I looked underweight. I looked back at him and told him I have been the same weight for all my life...decades. I eat as much as I want and don't gain because I am active. I sit for a short time on this addictive computer, but not too long. There's a world out there calling me. Since I eat all things in moderation, including a little junk food now and then, those chemicals don't seem to influence my weight. But a co-worker who is a compulsive eater, 300lbs, diabetic, and eats enough junk food for three people, probably is the fatty my doctor compared me to for being too thin. Even clothes manufacturers think we're all fat. They make the legs on pants big enough for elephants. Being 5'4" and 117lbs is the new underweight for my doctor. Still we should get all toxins out of our foods. Our government would never protect us from corporations that line their pockets. I wish you all good health...keep trying to eat well and educated on food issues. Now I have to stack and split some more firewood...getting chilly in the Rockies.

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Turn off the TV and grow some food locally and buy local produce.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 3, 2009 9:02 AM   
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That should reduce the obesity epidemic some.

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Then the gulags are actually health camps.
Posted by: billwald on Oct 3, 2009 9:10 AM   
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One never sees pictures of fat people leaving prison camps. Calories in less calories burned equals fat production.

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BPA IN INFANT PACIFIERS
Posted by: Grandma on Oct 3, 2009 9:28 AM   
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many years ago I contacted the FDA regarding the BPA in infant pacifiers.I was informed that they had acted upon the problem 1. the manufacturers of pacifiers containing BPA could sell off their remainng stock and 2. it was left up to the manufacturers discretion to make any necessary changes. I am told that pacifiers are now labled if the do not contain BPA and the consumer has a choice. Whenever you see toddlers, even the recent tv picture of Tiger woods' little daughter, the plastic pacifier was used. How can the ordinary consumer be made aware of the danger. When I did my research it was pointed out that the infant's saliva released the toxins in the pacifier. How many parents know about BPA and what companies have volunteered to remove BPA totally from infant pacifiers and how much does labeling really protect an uninformed public about something that should not be available.

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Yes and a big NO
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Oct 3, 2009 9:35 AM   
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I'm sure these chemicals contribute to the predisposition to overweight but when compared to the contribution of processed foods, junk foods and portion size the contribution is probably quite limited. Makes for an interesting story and we definitely should be concerned about chemical exposure - but perhaps we should start being concrned about ALL processed food and what is done to it and to us as our primary path to weight loss.

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Factual error needs to be edited in the fourth paragraph
Posted by: Sagan on Oct 3, 2009 9:43 AM   
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"So it's no wonder that the Centers for Disease Control report that more than a staggering 60 percent of adults and 16 percent of children are obese."

Nope, sorry, you misinterpreted the CDC's report or your math is wrong.

NCHS and CDC Data Brief:
"More than one-third of U.S. adults were obese in 2005–2006. This includes 33.3% of men and 35.3% of women."

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BPA inInfant pacifiers
Posted by: Grandma on Oct 3, 2009 10:15 AM   
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The purpose of providing information on infant pacifiers is certainly not to underestimate all the toxic factors in our food and environment but merely to show just another example of the lack of ethics existing in those who should be protecting us--protecting especially the most vulnerable as well as the uninformed

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waterman
Posted by: happybear on Oct 3, 2009 10:23 AM   
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This article is wonderful! I now have a reason that I am fat that shows that it's not my fault! I was lucky when I killed that older couple with my car with no brakes (because I was out of work and couldn't afford to fix them), even though I was drunk (not my fault, I had taken some sleeping pills and they effect my ability to tolerate the couple, maybe a few drinks that I had to have because I was depressed about my being out of work). But because the road was slippery, even my driving the speed limit (or a little bit more because the cops always allow at least 10mph faster), I couldn't control my car because of the low tire caused by hitting the curb on the way into the parking lot where the couple was walking to their car from the restaurant ( I'll bet they were drinking with their dinner, but we'll never know because they DIED and won't talk to us). Well, I was hurt, too. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt because the car manufacturer doesn't make them comfortable enough and I hit the dashboard. I would have hit the steering wheel except that I ducked out of the way when I realized that I was going to hit the people that walked out in front of me.
Boy! This world is just out to get me.....

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My Wife Eats Like a Horse But Is Pretty Slim
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 12:28 PM   
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I was going to say she burns it off by her sexual energy, and Yoga and all the other forms of exercise she does...

But the truth is that her body is always muscularly active - even when she is asleep...

Her fingers and toes are always moving

She is alive

Whereas I who eat much less than she does, get fat if she doesn't drag me out with her cycling and walking and dancing and stuff.

My body is not naturally active all the time. Like if I just sit there my fingers and toes are not twitching continuously - unless I am listening to some really good music.

Tony

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msg leads to mitochondia dysfunction listed as "flavour"
Posted by: sandy55 on Oct 3, 2009 1:15 PM   
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The job of mitochondria is to supply energy in the form of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This is the universal currency of energy. It can be used for all sorts of biochemical jobs from muscle contraction to hormone production. When mitochondria fail, this results in poor supply of ATP, so cells go slow because they do not have the energy supply to function at a normal speed. This means that all bodily functions go slow.
basic info above to understand the rest:
The job of mitochondria is to supply energy in the form of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This is the universal currency of energy. It can be used for all sorts of biochemical jobs from muscle contraction to hormone production. When mitochondria fail, this results in poor supply of ATP, so cells go slow because they do not have the energy supply to function at a normal speed. This means that all bodily functions go slow.The job of mitochondria is to supply energy in the form of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This is the universal currency of energy. It can be used for all sorts of biochemical jobs from muscle contraction to hormone production. When mitochondria fail, this results in poor supply of ATP, so cells go slow because they do not have the energy supply to function at a normal speed. This means that all bodily functions go slow.

MSG flow chart on this link very interesting:

http://www.msgtruth.org/

MSG in baby formula yep look it up as the link will not work.

A search on drugs that cause mitochodrial dysfunction may save you a lot of pain as that link will not work either. Especially dangerous are antidepressants but the list is long.
All these things that can damage the mitochondria can make you fat and if fat is alll you get you are one of the lucky ones.

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Don't forget the "fluoride"
Posted by: harpy on Oct 3, 2009 2:07 PM   
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in the water, which is really a waste product of the fertilizer industry. It will cause hypothyroidism (fluoride poisoning symptoms are the same as hypothyroidism)kidney problems, hip fractures, dental fluorisis,and many other physical problems. linked text The Sierra Club organized a sign-on petition to EPA to deny a permit on the basis that sulfuryl fluoride has 4,780 times the global warming impact of carbon dioxide.
Go to the Fluoride Action Network and see all the problems that fluoride causes, and it will not prevent tooth decay when you drink it. It's only approved for topical use. That's why the hygienist tells you NOT to swallow, and your toothpaste tube tells you to go to the poison control center if you swallow it.

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Where are the obesogenes in Paris?
Posted by: tekinette on Oct 3, 2009 2:29 PM   
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It's 'La Nuit Blanche' in Paris tonight, an all-night event of outdoor happenings throughout the city. Took the bus home and at one stop 30 teenagers got on, filling the bus with mirth and laughter. Now here's the point: Not one of them was obese, all were slim and healthy. Might be worthwhile to send some of your researchers here to find out why.

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Possible Link Does not Mean Pobable Nor Major Contributor
Posted by: bluecap on Oct 3, 2009 3:20 PM   
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While these studies "may indicate" a link the research as presented is not compelling; is this like the research on saccharin where they fed mice the equivalent of people eating 20 pounds of the substance a day to induce cancer formulation?

Sorry, the FACTS are that Americans eat like pigs in both quality and quantity; PERIOD. If the toxic chemicals in our environment are a contributing factor then all the more reason to apply self-discipline in not only what we eat but in what we define as acceptable in our "disposable plastic world".

Stop trying to place the blame 100% on external influences and take personal responsibility for not only your own actions but for the detrimental actions that WE ALLOW corporate America to shove down our throats.

Quit making EXCUSES and start taking ACTION.

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When and where did pacifier use start? (Oral fixationers?)
Posted by: plantland on Oct 3, 2009 3:27 PM   
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Thanks for acting on BPA.

Mentioning pacifiers made me wonder when the phenomenon started. (You don't see them in Dorothea's Lange's photos of the Depression.)

I wonder whether there is any chance that pacifiers predispose one to compulsive eating.

Whether or not, frequency, and duration of pacifier use really belongs in oral histories
of children. Some pediatricians may have made such notes.

Sugar free gum, courtesy of Donald Rumsfeld's pushing that through the FDA, could also predispose some to eat compulsively.

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The Scent of Trolls
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 3, 2009 4:47 PM   
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I posted a comment earlier, but I feel a need to say something else. After reading these comments, I can only conclude that either many Alternet readers are moral hypocrites (they would never tolerate such closed minds towards any other group and who would give a 5 to a concentration camp comment???) or there are professional trolls doing alot of PR here. I think the later is the better explanation. If this theory is true, it would be very costly to correct. So the chemical industry will pull out all the stops to make sure we don't accept it. Funny, but one group called the Council on Science and Health actively promoted weight and lifestyle as the causes we should be concerned about for disease prevention. They claim it is foolish to look at other explanations. Low and behold their major funders are the chemical companies!!! There is just a little too much spin in these comments.

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How Studies Work
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 3, 2009 4:58 PM   
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As an educator trained in research methodology I must respond to one theme in above posts that the conclusion of these studies can't be true because not everyone is getting fat. No study works that way. They look at different groups and examine the degree of the difference. With chemicals, they compare groups who have and have not been exposed to chemicals. They found MORE fat people in the group with chemical exposure, not that every single person is fat. No one doubts smoking causes lung cancer. Does every smoker get it? Or course not. Funny, but the same people doubting these results have no problems buying the theory that obesity causes heart disease and diabetes. Yet not all fat people get these diseases; one large study found one half of fat people do not have high blood pressure, high blood sugar or high cholesterol. Our ignorance about how the scientific process works is a problem it and of itself.

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Exercise less, lose weight
Posted by: RRTX on Oct 3, 2009 5:41 PM   
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I commented in the earlier pu leeze thread but did not say this.

Exercise the arm, elbow, hands and mouth less and I guarantee you will lose weight.

Plus, to pig out they way a huge number of Americans do and then think you will lose weight with exercise is whistling Dixie. Is not going to happen.

Cut the calories a lot. Lose weight.

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Chems make pigs fatter, people eat pigs, people get fat...
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 3, 2009 6:26 PM   
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Certain hormones fed to pigs, cattle,... are called fattening agents. The fattening agents are stored in the animal's meat and fat. People eat the meat. People get fat. Any cause and effect?

This American generation has gotten fat explosively fast. 20 years ago there was no such thing as 30% obesity throughout the southern states. Boy are we dead!

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I spotted the team immediately
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 6:29 PM   
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It was completely obvious

Five Blokes of all ages with The Godfather watching everything

And their really pretty Girls

Now I Don't Mind Giving Your Pretty Daughter a Pound

But Don't Steal My Pint of Beer Again

Or I am Likely To Get Annoyed

They think I Don't Know Their History...

But about 8 years ago, they stole my fucking car...

And had a bonfire with it

OK my car was fucked and only worth about £400

But it still went - even if it was a bit jumpy

And I was pretty skint at the time

And I couldn't fucking believe it

I was about to go and pick up my daughter from her evening class...

I had the keys in my hand

But where is the car?

The car had gone

So you have stolen my car - and you steal my beer - and I do not want to shag your daughter...what's the deal?



People Are Hurting - Even Here and Now - In Our Country ENGLAND

And Are Stealing So They Can Eat

Tony

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Just Like Americans To Always Look For Something or Someone To Blame
Posted by: Priam1 on Oct 3, 2009 6:44 PM   
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I think this derives from the 60's in which Feminism as we know it today got its start. We've become so effeminate that we cannot even see our need to blame someone or something for our lack of competance or control. By doing this, we feel less guilty. Who but Americans would be arrogant enough to make the bizarre claim that chemicals intoduced into our system is making us fat when all the statistical evidence points to our more sedentary livestyle and a penchant for fast foods. And, we can compare society with the Europeans and the Asians to reinforce the fact that we are greater consumers of fatty foods. Let's put responsibility where it belongs--in the hands of the person that sticks the food into his or her mouth.

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The Irish Have Wanked Out
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 6:54 PM   
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They think I Don't Know Their History...

But about 8 years ago, they stole my fucking car...

And had a bonfire with it

OK my car was fucked and only worth about £400

But it still went - even if it was a bit jumpy

And I was pretty skint at the time

And I couldn't fucking believe it

I was about to go and pick up my daughter from her evening class...

I had the keys in my hand

But where is the car?

The car had gone

So you have stolen my car - and you steal my beer - and I do not want to shag your daughter...what's the deal?


People Are Hurting - Even Here and Now - In Our Country ENGLAND

And Are Stealing So They Can Eat


The IRISH Have Wanked Out

If You Think Us ENGLISH Were Cunts

And We Were

You Do Not Realise What It Will Be Like To Have A NAZI Cunt Up Your ARSE

Tony

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It's not your fault after all. How nice!
Posted by: dkm on Oct 3, 2009 7:36 PM   
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This article makes a lot of unsupported correlations. To get a better idea of what is happening, let's go to cultures where some of the things mentioned do not occur and see what the results have been. China is having its own obesity problem and it is found among those groups that have changed to an American fast food diet. They are not being exposed to nearly as many environmental chemicals as we are. They ARE being exposed to as many environmental chemicals as their normal brethren who have NOT adopted a western life-style.

Europeans have less exposure to these environmental chemicals because they require corporations to prove that their chemicals are safe, not the situation in the US where someone else has to prove that the chemicals are harmful. Despite that, the Brits are now fast approaching the US in their girth size, and other countries that have adopted US life styles are close behind.

The other way of blowing this thesis out of the water is to look at the distribution of obesity in the US and lo and behold, you find that it follows diets heavy in fat and life styles low in exercise, not chemicals in the environment.

This is NOT to say that these chemicals are harmless, just that you can't blame them for the obesity epidemic. They need to be removed and a European legal philosophy that the manufacturer first has to prove no harm before foisting their product on the public should be instituted. But the nice thing about this article is that it takes the onus off the person responsible for their body condition and puts the onus on someone else. Now obese people don't have to try to get healthy. Is the author actually trying to institute a population control mechanism by killing off people as fast as possible? Sort of like the Cheney/Bush program of killing off people of reproductive age in wars of choice.

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Correlation between feminism and obesity...
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 3, 2009 7:43 PM   
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is one of the dumbest analogies I've ever read. Do you mean feminists are obese? 55% of Americans are overweight; a lesser % are obese or morbidly obese. I don't know any obese feminists. Are you obese and anti-feminist? If you're female, how can you be anti-feminist? Feminists will take you in, care for you, help you lose weight--if you need to--but your analogy is just ignorant!

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11% methanol part of aspartame becomes formaldehyde in humans
Posted by: rmforall on Oct 3, 2009 7:49 PM   
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11% methanol part of aspartame becomes formaldehyde in humans: Rich Murray 2009.10.03

Over 100 mg methanol impurity per liter wine becomes formaldehyde and then formic acid in humans -- co-factors for "morning after" hangovers -- folic acid protects most people.

There is the same level of methanol from the 11% methanol part of the aspartame molecule in 2 L [ 6 cans ] aspartame beverages.

Obesity is commonly involved.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/579335

Dermatitis. 2008; 19(3): E10-E11.
© 2008 American Contact Dermatitis Society
Formaldehyde, Aspartame, and Migraines: A Possible Connection
Sharon E. Jacob; Sarah Stechschulte
Published: 09/17/2008

Abstract

Aspartame is a widely used artificial sweetener that has been linked to pediatric and adolescent migraines.
Upon ingestion, aspartame is broken, converted, and oxidized into
formaldehyde in various tissues.
We present the first case series of aspartame-associated migraines related to clinically relevant positive reactions to formaldehyde
on patch testing.

formaldehyde, aspartame, and migraines, the first case series, Sharon E Jacob-Soo, Sarah A Stechschulte, UCSD, Dermatitis 2008 May:
Rich Murray 2008.07.18
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.htm
Friday, July 18, 2008
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1553

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Live Music
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 8:03 PM   
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In England there are pubs that serve Great Beer and Do The Most Wonderful Food...

And there are some pubs that also serve up musicians...

And so all our friends communicate with each other and we go to the pubs who serve up

Great Musicians

Usually within walking distance or a bus ride away

Tony

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Who gives a fuck about your car...
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 3, 2009 8:05 PM   
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when your post is total nonsense, full of "sound and fury," saying nothing!

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I Tell People I Have Retired - And They Say So All You Have Got To Look Forward To Is Death
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 8:26 PM   
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And I Try And Explain

But They Don't Get It.....

No I do not have to get up at 6:30 am and work through till 11pm

And get home by midnight and have a bit of sleep and get up at 6:30 am and do it again

EVERY DAY

cOS THE WORK IS SO INTERESTING AND IMPORTANT

I am now Retired

And don't have to do that every day

But I would if the end result was that Tony Blair was in The International Court of Human Rights on The Charge Of War Crimes Against Humanity...

How come I have so much energy and passion - whilst maybe you are just a lawyer and couldn't give a fuck about innocence or guilt - so long as you get paid??

Tony

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It's the space between your lower and upper teeth....
Posted by: peterjkraus on Oct 3, 2009 8:36 PM   
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....that does it. Tip: eliminate the space between your lower and your upper teeth for a week or so and you will lose weight. Guaranteed.

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The article tells part of the story
Posted by: drbryanwalsh on Oct 3, 2009 8:36 PM   
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Toxic chemicals do play a role in obesity, but they only play part of the picture. There are studies showing exposure to certain chemicals increases body mass of mice, even on a lower calorie diet than the control group.

But there are MANY other factors beyond simply diet and exercise.

Thyroid function, hormonal balance, neurotransmitter balance, gastrointestinal function, liver function, blood sugar management, and even basic mitochondrial function on a cellular level all play a critical role in fat loss.

This article gets it partly right, but there is much more to the fat loss picture.

Be well,
Dr. Bryan Walsh

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Skeptical??
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 3, 2009 8:43 PM   
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This article is another bullshit study similar to the ones years ago which said peanut butter was bad since it had charcoal/carcinogens in it, and now it's touted in small amts. as reducing high cholesterol. Remember ketchup which Ronald Reagan declared as a vegetable on school kids lunches when it has high fat and sugar content.

It's the study of the day. Fat people, obese people, and I'm not talking about people of a certain age who have a few pounds--even drs. allow that--simply need to stop eating SO MUCH.

How many of us have ever been in restaurants seeing fat and obese people stuffing themselves with bread and butter and potatoes and desserts without thinking, ooh, why do they do this?

On a related topic, smoking, I tell you facts which have a correlation regarding health care and smoking. You might not know smokers pay $26,000,000,000 dollars in taxes, yes, billion, for their health care in excess taxes which not only pays for their health care, but for a myriad of health and non-related services for non-smokers, who DO NOT pay these "sin taxes," many of whom are obese.

So if we're going after the smokers in excessive taxes which covers any disease they get, unrelated to smoking, and which pays for diseases of non-smokers, let's levy taxes on food, e.g., bacon, potato chips and other non-nutritional snacks, soft drinks of all kinds, sugar-filled cookies and cereal, high fat milk and cheese, potatoes, corn, carrots, fast food of most kinds, etc.

Levying higher taxes will not stop smokers from smoking; higher taxes on unhealthy foodstuffs will not keep fat or obese people from eating them; in our democracy, we have choices. Some of us pay for them; some benefit because the rest of us do.

Regardless of all studies I've read for fifty years, people get fat because they eat too much, period. I don't buy this article's premise that it's in the air or the chemicals or anything else. Anyone who truly wants to lose weight can. It's a choice.

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Go away, Tony
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 3, 2009 8:48 PM   
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You are off-topic here. No one is talking about Tony Blair. Perhaps you're on the wrong website?

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This is
Posted by: hughesrg on Oct 3, 2009 10:25 PM   
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Utter Bullshit! Take responsibility, make better choices, put down the remote, stop eating like shit and go to the gym! Simple as that...

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Oh, goody! Something else we can use as an excuse for not changing our unhealthy lifestyles ...
Posted by: harryf200 on Oct 3, 2009 10:45 PM   
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Our FAT is our fault
Posted by: the director on Oct 4, 2009 8:04 AM   
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Being fat is our fault. We spend the money.
Preservatives prevent biological cellular metabolism, that’s why they are called preservatives.
In 1202 those who added fillers or preservatives to their bread or beer were hanged.
Should we start hanging chemists?
What chemists fail to remember is we are all downstream.
Back to fat, if you don’t exercise and eat too much especially foods with preservatives YOU are going to get fat and its your fault. You bought it and you ate it.

We are what we eat.
Since before the formation of the FDA our government has been allowing more and more chemicals to be added to our food, water and air. Our bodies are incapable of metabolizing synthetic compounds. Aspirin? or White Willow Bark? Both will address a headache but aspirin can kill you when the Bark of the Willow will not.

We want to blame someone for our fat,? Sorry the buck stops where you belly covers your belt buckle. Our health is our responsibility.
We can be heard by our State and National governments by remembering WE SPEND THE MONEY.

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Fatty, fatty, two-by-four...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Oct 4, 2009 8:20 AM   
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Exercise, shop the perimeter of the grocery store, don't buy anything in a can or jar, eat organic as much as possible and use supplements to make up for the depletion of nutrients in the soil. Drink good chemical free water and stay away from fruit juices. Don't eat anything white until you have lost the weight you want to lose.

I read that 75% of high school graduates in Oklahoma couldn't name the first president of the United States. I doubt very seriously if they know how to eat healthy or cook, either. America is raising up a new generation of chronicly ill, fat, ignorant people....the real 'Pepsi Generation.'

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Laughing in the Grocery Store Aisle
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Oct 4, 2009 8:27 AM   
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Marketing and a seriously undereducated American consumer are the two most important factors at work here. Nothing else even comes close as to reasons for this issue.

Obesogens? Totally false. Totally made up. Trace chemicals? Sure. But all you have to do is look at other countries to see that they use the same type of products we do and they're not obese like us.

Marketing is big business, just like pharmas are HUGE business here. Clever marketing that pushes garbage food onto the public, and the fact that Americans are **willfully ignorant** (about most things), are the two main reasons why we have an obese population.

That's all you need to know.

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Scary
Posted by: wzsteen on Oct 4, 2009 8:32 AM   
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Well, that plus the fact there is a fast food joint on literally every corner in America!

RT
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THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION REPORTS THAT OBESITY FOLLOWS
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 4, 2009 11:06 AM   
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income. The wealthy are seldom obese. Yes weight often follows genetics. Outside of the genetic limitations it follows income.

In the United States statistics show that the poor are more frequently obese. I would reccommend that you read a British book. It is "The Spirit Level" by Wilkinson and Prichett. Amazon UK has it. Amazon US will have it in December. When you finish with it you will decide that the above article is only 'messing' with one corner of the problem. It's not wrong. It is just not right enough.

It is a difficult problem. It is multifaceted. I am personally assured that there are facets that we have yet to even guess at.

Having said that I can take you to people that were stocky in build, but after heavy steroid usage ended up obese. My first wife got sick at 53 and died at 58. She never weighed over 115. It was genetic. My new gal is badly overweight. She eats like a bird. She has had heavy duty steroid treatment to bounce her out of pneumonia. This has happened as often as three times a year. I don't think she will ever be well.

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A body-type thing
Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 4, 2009 11:09 AM   
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I'm sure the American diet, fostered by big business and lotsa chemicals, is behind our burgeoning national hugeness. But I also believe the key factor is body type.

My viewpoint comes from the fact that I'm a thin person who is always unsuccessfully trying to gain weight.

This is strange. Since eating is a pleasure, and fatteinng foods are the yummiest, gaining weight should be as easy as losing weight is hard. Just let yourself go and have seconds of everything...

But of course, it just ain't so. This convinces me that we shouldn't give big people a hard time, even if they couldn't squish us like bugs. Their bodies are set on being big, just as mine is set on being small. It's probably God having a good laugh on us.

I'm certainly not a model of self-control or spiritual mastery because I have stayed svelte for my whole life, though you're welcome to think so.

On the contrary, if anyone is a glutton, it's us skinny guys, who are always making our big friends faint with the things we scarf down.

So--even though my problem is the opposite of the national one--my experience suggests weight is fundamentally a body-type thing, though the American lifestyle will kill anyone. I recommend yoga and its sister science, ayurveda, for humans of all sizes.

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WHEN NON MEDICAL TYPES WEIGH IN ON WHAT IS TRULY A MEDICAL PROBLEM
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 4, 2009 11:58 AM   
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the arguments do wander off. Lets try something. The Brits see medical causality differently than we do. Lets try it from their view.

The Brits have done this. They placed a fresh cadaver in a body bag. They left it to "mature" at room temperature. They then did as complete an anayalsis as they were able. The body would contain almost every know disease. Interestingly they almost always found bubonic plague. The cadaver in life had not died from the ailments they found. His/her immune system had held them in check. The implication is that we would all be dead if our immune system wasn't keeping truly awful things in constant check.

The take away from this is that you may well be "catching" your illness from yourself. All it may well take to cause illness is for your immune system to be overwhelmed. Here enters stress.

It is for sure that a new strain of virus is being correctly analylized. There is no immunity. But other illnesses can and do come from stress. You self infect.

How much of obesity is stress related? The stress of poverty and "hard" living is going to loom bigger than we had expected. The statistics support this. Obesity follows wealth. The wealthy are more seldom obese.

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I would say it's the addictive chemicals in our foods and that society has gotten less social.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Oct 4, 2009 12:33 PM   
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Plastics can have their harmful effects but I disagree that plastics on everything is the cause for obesity. I wear nylon clothing a lot and I'm not fat but slender.

Now, the chemicals in foods such as MSG, high frustose corn syrup, aspartame, etc ... have been known to cause obesity thanks to those chemicals making the foods addictive so that people would eat uncontrollably and get unhealthy. Sure, that's great for those manufacturers who want those volume sales coming and what better ways to get them than by seducing more people for more of the same.

Another cause is lack of being social and sometimes getting depressed and feeling rejected. I remember when I was younger I used to eat compulsively when I got depressed. For a while it would feel like eating like crazy would get me out of that depressed feeling but it kept coming back. I had so much to regret from that but am glad that I overcame the eating from depression madness over the years.

I have heard about hemp based plastics and can see where hemp would replace crude oil based plastics but I don't see where that alone will help reduce obesity.

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Heredity?
Posted by: DHFabian on Oct 4, 2009 12:45 PM   
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I think my own family is a laboratory for diet studies! My parents, kid sister and I have all experienced significant weight problems. In fact, my sister suddenly died this past April, at the age of 44, as a result. I thought the weight issue was purely hereditary, until I was grown and on my own, with a diet based on "whatever I wanna eat". I just got lucky in that my favorite foods are fresh fruit and veggies. The weight fell off, and stayed in the 115-120 range in the 30+ years since. What I didn't understand is why this would be when, in fact, I ate more than my mother or sister. In trying to figure this out, I saw a difference that went beyond fats alone, or amount eaten per day. While I prefer plain, unprocessed foods, my family uses processed/convenience foods routinely. Ever read the list of ingredients on any package of processed food? Yah, there's a bit of food mixed into a mass of chemicals. Over time, I came to realize that the primary factor in weight differences in my own family (both immediate and branching out to cousins, etc.) corresponded to the amount of processed vs. unprocessed food (and therefore those chemicals) in our diets.

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Glen says
Posted by: glen brammel on Oct 4, 2009 6:50 PM   
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I am afraid that Americans are not taking this issue seriously. I hope that those of us who care will continue to spread the word about the benefits of remaining healthy. It will save us all a lot of time, money, and add years to our lives.

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Pop and chips and sloth
Posted by: Noah_Scape on Oct 4, 2009 7:47 PM   
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I am usually a pinko enlightened new-age permissive leftie, but where obese people are concerned I am a dinosaur.

EVERY obese person I know drinks sugary soda pop and eats processed carbs and sugary foods, and they do not get any exersize that raises their heart rates or makes them breathe hard. They pig out and are slothlike.

CALORIES IN Vs. CALORIES OUT = FAT OR NOT FAT

My life represents a small sample of the population, but still, I have to believe what I see.

If there is BLAME, it should go to food advertising on TV> those delicious looking images certainly must trigger the hunger system in our bodies.
Also, there is a TV ad running now from a diet centre that actually gives 'the excuse', saying "Remember, its not YOU, its you metabolism". I say BAH!!

Detractors:
Yes, there is room for metabolism, but that only means those people have to be more carefull, and work out harder.
Depression is another key factor - can I blame someone who is too depressed to look after themselves? [no, but the fat is still from calories!]
The chemicals mentioned probably are a factor, and obesity is one more reason they should be banned.

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Couch + Television = "obesegen". Otherwise, what a bunch of unscientific, religionist, creationist.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 4, 2009 8:46 PM   
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...poppycock.

Have fun with your faerie tales, if it makes you happy.

There are some chemicals that can mimic female hormones on men...promote their plumping up in the places females pack it on...when members of either sex engage in too much Mikkie Dees instead of necessary or voluntary (jog/work out) labor.

You figure it out. Consult your belt size.

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Obesity Is Not Your Fault
Posted by: mrtwilight23 on Oct 4, 2009 10:49 PM   
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People think they eat right if they adhere to the USDA food pyramid recommendations.

The very foundation of the pyramid recommends something like 6-8 servings of bread a day.
Bread makes me gain weight.
It also makes me hungry.
I could go the Olive Garden and eat my weight in breadsticks and still be ready for more.

Whole wheat bread makes me put on weight too for some reason.

According to the USDA half of your bread and cereal intake can come from processed food sources (e.g. white bread) , because it's got some fiber.

Also the USDA says junk food isn't junk food anymore, it's simply 'Empty Calories'.

The mounting evidence suggests it's more like poison.

Are they TRYING to make us sicker?

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Anything to keep you off the treadmill, right?
Posted by: Ayla87 on Oct 5, 2009 10:44 AM   
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It's not your fault you spent half your grocery money this week on junk food. It's not your fault that the most exercise you get a day is walking to and from the fridge; Or that spend 3+ hours a day on your ass watching low quality reality television shows. I mean, it's not like you have resources available to you, like say a public library or the local YMCA, where you can learn healthy living habits for little to no cost.

No, Impossible! There is nothing you can do to change your own health! It's your medication, your education, your job, your genes, even McDonalds for being so good at advertising! Now it's the chemicals. Chemicals that have been in the water for decades, in larger quantities but that doesn't matter because you're fat now and need another another bullshit excuse to layer on top of the dozen or so that you're currently using.

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I do know of a little known 3 step program to lose weight
Posted by: Caleb Darkstar on Oct 5, 2009 11:33 AM   
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Step 1/ Stop feeding your face. If you get winded going from the couch to the refrigerator and back, You probably do it too often.

Step2/ Get your big butt moving. Go outside and walk, go to the mall and walk, go to the gym and exercise. Or just volunteer to do anything physical to keep you moving.

Step 3 / Keep doing step 1 and 2 for, A week? nope. A month or two? wrong again. How about the rest of your life. Go to the front of the class.

And your life will be longer and more enjoyable. And it cost nothing, What a deal.

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cool piece...
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 5, 2009 12:19 PM   
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...shitty comments (the thugs and trolls came out from under the bridge), holy fuck.

It's not surprising that enviro-pollutants have something to do with this alleged "obesity epidemic." In SoCal I see as many scrawny, waif, healthy fit and overweighters as the other. I have to mitigate the crap my kids come home from school with, pointing out that "obesity" in the U.S. is calculated using a National Insurance Institute (okay I may have that trade group's name wrong, go Google it if you care--I have no time for this shit) created in the 1940's and based on NOT ONE SHRED OF SCIENCE. A man my age and height "ought" to weigh 145lbs max. Um, yeah, that's why every god damned MD I've ever been to laughs at that and says if I weighed that for my bone structure, body type and muscle mass I'd be fuckin' dead (well they don't usually say "fuckin'" that's my emphasis--it's a percussive quality...). I'm built like a brown bear minus the height afterall--legs and arms like tree-trunks, a neck like a tank, and a buck chest. I'm built like my Dad and have struggled, just like he did, with keeping excess weight off the middle from age 21 to the present. He dumped his overnight when he hit 60. "Take the stairs, not the 'vator" he always said. Only good advice I ever got from him.

Not only that, the other main cause of dietary fuckups is spelled P-O-V-E-R-T-Y. You can't git skinny on govt cheese, macaroni and ramen noodles. Until the lack of jobs, let alone living wage payin' ones, is addressed, I don't give a damn about what the CDC has to say.

When "obesity" is unlinked from the Insurance industry fuckheads' horseshit and based on actual science, they can call me and I'll rally-up. In the meantime I keep trying to just eat properly with as clean-food as I can scrounge up, collect my bottles & cans for my food budget, ride my bike every-fuckin'-where, do my workouts & training regimens (I'm a prof. sports official, among other things), and do what my PT tells me to (mainly cuz she's hot and yeah, whatever) and not worry about every other piece of shit beyond my control... oh yeah, and hate the shit outta the owning class fuckholes whose corporations are screwing the living daylights out of the rest of us day and night.

Be kind to the poor and fuck the rich pricks. We don't need 'em anymore.

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L-A-Z-Y...
Posted by: jimidee on Oct 6, 2009 7:42 AM   
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what's that spell? Lazy! Lazy! Lazy!

Can you say lazy? Sure you can.

Can you see lazy? Everywhere.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?

Human beings are gradually loosing the ability to walk. Just go to Wally World and watch the slugs ride the little carts that were originally for crippled and injured folks.

Can you say Jabba the Hutt?


Do I care? A little, but hey, you guys go ahead and have another brewski and piece of fried chicken...you are making me look more like Brad Pitt every day. (slight joke) I will be the one taking "care" of your wives and girlfriend after I leave my gym.

Fat person challenge: If any fat person were to follow me around for a few months, they would not be fat anymore...it is just that simple. You cannot possibly be fat doing what I do and eating what I eat, and I don't care if you eat the plastic water bottles...

BTW, fat people don't drink water, they drink soda and lots of it.

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mean people suck
Posted by: WyrdSister on Oct 6, 2009 10:25 AM   
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Anyone one of you who posted ugly nasty comments regarding those who are obese should be ashamed of yourselves; your prejudgous is showing.

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Ignorant Goobers of the Left
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 6, 2009 7:03 PM   
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I was chuckling as I read this article, envisioning the shitstorm of denial that I'd find in the comments -- and I was not disappointed. It was a perfect repeat of the frenzy of puritanical name-calling occasioned by Maggie Mahar's excellent article on obesity science last year. For that matter, almost all of Mahar's science articles debunking "common knowledge" in medicine seem to get the same response.

It used to make me crazy when AlterNet would publish the results of someone's published scientific research, and the answer would be a torrent of ignorant, anti-science comments that basically boiled down to "I have no facts to support my beliefs, but I know better than these scientists. They're just wrong, and somehow sleazy for daring to publish a research finding that doesn't agree with my prejudices. Any research whose findings I don't like is 'junk science' and/or bullshit ." (Weirdly reminiscent of Dick Cheney, ain't it?)

I've come to regard this process as a valuable spiritual exercise, to keep me from being too smug about the differences between those of us on the Left and the teabagger ignoramuses of the Right. I don't know why progressives can accept climate-change science but not science which suggests that environmental degradation affects our bodies in ways we don't yet understand -- but I can certainly see that it's true.

Turns out, I guess, that we are not all that superior to Creationists or climate-change deniers or the poor saps frothing at the mouth with genuine fear that Obama is a Hitler-cum-witchdoctor-cum-socialist who wants to kill their grandmas. Sure, those folks are ignorant goobers. But so are the many commenters who have aired their medieval-peasant mentalities here today. Ommmm... we are all onnnne...

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Excuses
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 9, 2009 11:27 PM   
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No matter what conditions you have, hypothyroid or whatever, is no excuse for weight. The answer is to eat less, period, exercise--if only walking in your home and doing housework. Running a vacuum burns many calories. Eat healthfully. No pizza or Big Macs or Burger Things. Healthy food tastes good if you are of a mind to do something like South Beach diet upon which you can lose a pound per day and eat nutritionally. Discipline and the goal of losing weight healthfully are the answer.

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As Nature Intended
Posted by: Candleinheart on Oct 10, 2009 2:55 PM   
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I was dreadfully sick for years through my teenage years. A chiropractor's adjustment cured me 'miraculously' of severe bronchitis and walking pneumonia. I learned then that there other ways to get better than western pills.
The Chiropractor taught me about good nutrition: Since age 19 I stopped all canned drinks, eliminated all foods made with white flour and ate whole grains. Increased fruits/veggies. Eventually married. Pregnant I stopped my few cigarettes in the afternoon. Breast fed kids, prepared all their food myself. Yogurt instead of ice cream, fruits for desserts, etc.Any desserts made were like banana cakes, carrot cakes, orange/lemon cakes. Always from scratch NO MIXES!!!(Read those horrid labels!)something with some nutrition. Sugar always a minimum. For 38 years I enjoyed excellent health. Prevention the key.
Eat foods as nature intended. The advice by some after this article is keep it simple, keep it pure. Fresh organic meats veggies when possible. Experiment with different grains,think BEAUTY on your plate. Does a hot dog, with french fries and a coke really appeal as opposed to a green salad with grated carrots,radishes, celery, parsley, raw mushrooms, a few raw spinach leaves with sliced grilled chicken strips on it not appeal to the eye? Colors have vibration. More colorful foods raise vibration levels. Natural vitamins when broken down by spectroscopes (?) show a rainbow of graded colors, where synthetic vitamins leave a band 2/3 less in scope;flat,dead. Best to eat WHOLE foods! I am 73. NO arthritis. NO hip pains. NO body pains...yes,some bp as I got older, and emotional issues but my hair shines and skin color is good. Invest in yourself and your health. Get high on he Beauty of luscious veggies/fruits. Snack on almond butter and apple, celery and hummus, fruit and cheese, carrot sticks and raisens, walnuts stuffed in dates, Good Grief! One Sweet Potatoe has 38,000 units of Vitamin A! Zhucchini loaded with potassium.Sesame Tahini loaded with minerals and calcium. All the vitamins and minerals you need are in your food chosen for wholeness and beauty.

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Plastics...or portion sizes?
Posted by: CaliJim on Oct 10, 2009 5:28 PM   
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Hmmm...I'm in full agreement that the chemicals in our foods and other products like plastics (particularly BPA) are not good for us and can likely be implicated in the incredible increase in obesity...but let's not go overboard, here.

How about portion sizes? Over the last few decades, portion sizes and calorie content of our foods has increased enormously. Here's a link to a chart that demonstrates that fact. (http://www.worldhealth.net/news/portion_size_then_and_now/)

During the same time period, we basically eliminated Physical Education and exercise requirements in the schools. According to my own admittedly meager personal research, vastly increasing caloric intake while reducing exercise to burn up the calories makes you FAT...what a shock!

Interestingly, I am 6' 2" tall and weigh in the range of 176-178 lbs...and have been told by a friend that I "look anorexic"! According to the BMI calculations, I'm at about 22, which is nearly perfect for my height...so, my friend's perception of "normal size" has obviously been skewed by viewing the average population. A few years ago, I hit my highest weight ever...238 lbs - and decided I had to do something to lose weight. I cut way back on carbohydrates, increased my protein intake and started to exercise while watching TV in the evenings instead of sitting on my ass on the couch...no change in my exposure to the chemicals as far as I know.

Certainly, there are bound to be some people who are negatively impacted by the chemicals, genetic problems and other issues, but for the vast majority, it appears to me to be just an excuse for not controlling what they eat and how much exercise they get.

IF you cut back on calories, increase your exercise, are careful about carbohydrate intake and all the rest and STILL don't lose weight, perhaps you have a valid reason to suspect the chemicals...but, let's try the basics first, huh?

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I agree unreservedly
Posted by: fredtowson on Oct 16, 2009 10:12 AM   
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I agree unreservedly with the latter part of this piece, which points out that health care costs increase in line with obesity. Diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, cerebral infarction, etc., etc., are all more prevalent among the obese. But I am somewhat sceptical about the extent of the link between obesity and the chemicals found in platic bottles and the like. Unless there are clear and identifiable differnces between the manufacturing process of plastic bottles, shampoos, etc., in Japan, where I live, and the U.S. why is it that here in Japan, where platic bottles and the like are ubiquitous, in my journeyings around Tokyo and elsewhere, in urban and rural districts, I only very rarely see someone I would describe as obese? On the other hand, if I think of some of the formative factors in education and daily life, for example that at least before and through the compulsory education process, a great deal of attention is paid to ensuring that children eat healthily, that local governments across the whole country put a lot of emphasis on encouraging people to exercise, to eat nutritiously, to walk or cycle instead of using the car, and so on, my personal view is that these traditional factors are fringe s02e05 hdtv.xvid-2hd english subtitles tv posters series posters субтитры субтитры у фильмам seropol5 still much more significant than obesogenic chemicals. It would not surprise me, however, to read in the not too distant future of the marketing of a range of new, anti-obesogenic drugs.

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RE: Why doesn’t anyone ever mention the correlation between Feminism and obesity?
Posted by: Lily H. on Oct 3, 2009 12:36 AM   
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Guess that means fatboy Rush Limbaugh's mother must have taken home too many hoagies and extra-large pizzas. Speaking of "Mommy Dearest", isn't it about time you got around to that "traditional minded" Russian mail order bride you've been meaning to but keep putting off? By the way, you never did answer my question of why you pay your maid in foreign currency you referred to in the Alternet article about housework?

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RE: Why doesn’t anyone ever mention the correlation between Feminism and obesity?
Posted by: Annarisse on Oct 3, 2009 3:53 AM   
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Seems to me there's still plenty of people about to guilt-trip moms. No one ever asks why the dads don't stay home.

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RE: Why doesn’t anyone ever mention the correlation between Feminism and obesity?
Posted by: Mbell on Oct 3, 2009 7:23 AM   
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Because correlation does not equal causation, troll.

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maybe YOUR Mommie Dearest didn't
Posted by: paulaH on Oct 3, 2009 10:11 AM   
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I worked 50+ hours per week, drove an hour to get home, then cooked a well balanced meal for my family. Now I go to school and do it. I cook almost every night, making sure we have veggies and fruit. Most of my female--and yes, tending towards feminist--friends are the same.

Of course, in our economy, very few women can be stay at home Moms and cook nightly. I can't blame women who don't cook balanced meals every night. When men get home, their day is done. When a woman gets home, her second job has just started.

A lot of women I know want to work; more that I know would prefer to stay home but can't. Why don't YOU go home and cook a balanced meal every night.

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Oh, don't mind Anty
Posted by: BlueTigress on Oct 4, 2009 10:49 AM   
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He's still smarting over that one time while he was still in grad school and his mother, who works a sixty-hour week in addition to taking care of his spoiled ass, got an opportunity to go and do something fun and told him he would have to make his own dinner for once.

It didn't come out very well so now he thinks that every woman on the planet owes him a blowjob and a hot meal in that order.

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Learn to cook then,mysogynist!
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Oct 4, 2009 10:58 AM   
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Both of my parents cooked and I learned to cook as well. Cooking shouldn't be something only women do,idiot.

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I remain somewhat sceptical
Posted by: akai ringo on Oct 3, 2009 2:07 AM   
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I agree unreservedly with the latter part of this piece, which points out that health care costs increase in line with obesity. Diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, cerebral infarction, etc., etc., are all more prevalent among the obese. But I am somewhat sceptical about the extent of the link between obesity and the chemicals found in platic bottles and the like. Unless there are clear and identifiable differnces between the manufacturing process of plastic bottles, shampoos, etc., in Japan, where I live, and the U.S. why is it that here in Japan, where platic bottles and the like are ubiquitous, in my journeyings around Tokyo and elsewhere, in urban and rural districts, I only very rarely see someone I would describe as obese? On the other hand, if I think of some of the formative factors in education and daily life, for example that at least before and through the compulsory education process, a great deal of attention is paid to ensuring that children eat healthily, that local governments across the whole country put a lot of emphasis on encouraging people to exercise, to eat nutritiously, to walk or cycle instead of using the car, and so on, my personal view is that these traditional factors are still much more significant than obesogenic chemicals. It would not surprise me, however, to read in the not too distant future of the marketing of a range of new, anti-obesogenic drugs.

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Fault
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 3, 2009 3:02 AM   
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So the trace chemicals in our shower curtains and drinking water have secretly been making us fat, while we've been sitting here innocently watching sports and reality shows, eating our Big Macs, cheese steaks, and Doritos?

It makes you long for simpler times when we had more wholesome and natural excuses like having big bones and retaining water.

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I doubt chemicals are the whole story...
Posted by: Vinkenoog on Oct 3, 2009 3:25 AM   
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but I'm sure they play a part. Add in the lack of exercise most people get, crappy diets and high-fructose corn syrup in everything and it's no wonder so many people in America are so very fat. Just another nail in our collective coffin.

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We Cannot Afford To Chase Down Minimal Factors
Posted by: drricklippin on Oct 3, 2009 5:26 AM   
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All diseases/disorders are multifactoral.Genes,health habits,socioconomic status (SES),environment are contributory.

But the likelyhood/level of synthetic chemicals to contributing to obesity is very likely miniscule.

We really need to keep our eyes on the most likely risks.(diet,excercise,SES) and allocate our limited resources toward those risks

I might had that the issue of "self blame" or "sin" has no place in contemporary medicine.

Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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It's too easy
Posted by: andrushka on Oct 3, 2009 5:55 AM   
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to blame outside sources like plastics etc..for some of the causes of obesity. The more plausible sources are more plebeian, like junk-food, eating constantly rather than 3 times a day. Oversize portions of food such as
pizzas the size of a cycle wheel. potato-couch eating, etc......

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This is a no-brainer: trans fatty acids likely cause of obesity
Posted by: brianct on Oct 3, 2009 5:58 AM   
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Modern obesity had its beginnings in the 1980s...go back before then, and its less common...how many obese people do you see in 1950s photos films etc?
This tells us that something has changed in modern cultures where obesity is common..Something new was added last century..If you go to philippines, you will see little in the way of obesity. Ditto with japan...etc.Reason? their diets are still fairly traditional.
NOW our foods have been fiddled with for varius scientific and commercial reasons: greed by food companies eager to have us digest their product (eg soy flour in bread, where it neednt be at all); GM canola in many canned and bottled goods,,,and of course, trans-fatty acids predominate, created by those who had us afraid of saturated fats...

Ths clue to the obesity epidemic lies here.. in hydrogenation of unsaturated fats...this is something new in human diets...

'Passwater: Dr. Enig, a lot of people are interested in "trans" fats now. You have been researching them since 1977. How are trans fats harmful to us?

Enig: More than a decade of research at the University of Maryland, as well as research that was being done at other institutions, showed that consumption of trans fatty acids from partially hydrogenated (a process that adds hydrogen to solidify or harden) vegetable fats and oils had many adverse effects in health areas such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, immunity, reproduction and lactation, and obesity. It is rather easy today to come up with a long list of these adverse effects from the published research done by many scientists around the world, as well as the researchers at the University of Maryland.'

transfatty acids cause abdominal fat

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Oh, Pul-eese
Posted by: Ka-bird on Oct 3, 2009 6:06 AM   
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I live in Belgium, which uses as much or more plastic than the US and obesity is still rare. There are multiple factors, of course, but the basic fact remains the same: our calorie intake does not exceed our calorie output. We eat less meat (but more cheese and wine) but don't live in our cars. We walk to places. We bike to places. We eat less fast food. Our children walk and bike -- like US kids used to do.

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Mitochondrial DNA is inherited
Posted by: bthespoon on Oct 3, 2009 6:07 AM   
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...and has a lot to do with how efficiently one's body is able to burn energy.

Then there are all sorts of hormones from grelin and leptin (that determine a body's ability or inability to feel hungry or satiated) to adrenal stress hormones that can make a huge difference too. A cascade of bad-for-you health effects (weight gain) awaits anyone who develops trouble sleeping for any reason. Many women who were never overwieght previously become overweight after menopause without changing their diet.

Of course diet and exercise are important, but still Oprah Winfrey has to work ten times harder to never be able to look as good as Halle Berry does naturally.

After we gain more information and public awareness, I believe someday we as a nation will be ashamed at how we discriminate against overweight people.

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It's simple
Posted by: len2 on Oct 3, 2009 6:20 AM   
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America being overweight is Big Business, for the BigFood and BigFarm corps that meticulously engineer salt/fat/sweet in their industrial food-like substances to sucker sheeple into buying and eating their high-calorie-density junk.

BigBusiness for health providers who pocket $200B/year on overweight and related diseases.

As always, follow the money.

One can always counter the never-ending, always expanding toxic fog of medicalizing BS (like this article) about fat (aka "It ain't my fault I'm fat."), the simple truth is that Americans overeat, and eat lots of dead crap.

If you want to lose weight, maintain leanness, eat less. This is the key, NOT exercise.

If you want to be fit, exercise.

Trying to exercise away your overeating is risible stupidity.

If man made it, don't put in your mouth.

If man didn't eat it 10,000 years ago, don't eat it now.

If it doesn't rot, don't eat it.
("It's dead, Jim")

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These chemicals are only part of it...
Posted by: cortez on Oct 3, 2009 6:30 AM   
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The chemicals that are all around us could easily be causing the higher rates of cancer,asthma, parkinsons, ms, and yes, obesity, too.

It is amazing how otherwise intelligent people insist on fertilizing their lawns and having pesticides sprayed only to play with their kids and pets on the lawns hours later. Do they think their health problems (many)are unrelated and that the chemicals are not tracked back into the house? In most neighborhoods not dumping chemicals on your lawn makes you a renegade (guilty as charged). There is a mindset at work here that is not only environmentally unfriendly it is also unhealthy.

Added to the chemicals in the house there are those we put in our bodies. High fructose corn syrup is everywhere as is Splenda and all those other artificial sweeteners, which are chemicals that change your sense of taste, among other things, so you get used to intense sweet flavors, which makes you crave more (super-sized drinks and 1500 calorie burgers did not exist in the 1950s), which leads to eating more...

Then add into the mix the trans fats in fast food and the fact that in this country people tend to eat and run, or even eat and drive or eat and email/text. Enjoying food with family and friends at a leisurely pace could also be part of the answer as stress affects the body as do social factors (eating alone in the car while running errands is not the same as having a long lunch with colleagues or family).

A lack of sleep, lack of vacation time, and most certainly a lack of economic security (jobs, health insurance)also play their parts in the obesity puzzle.

The article was interesting but only the tip of the obesity iceberg, methinks.

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Geographical Obesity: A Possible Cause
Posted by: Triton on Oct 3, 2009 6:42 AM   
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The suspect chemicals are distributed world wide yet this so called chemically induced obesity appears to be centered in the United States. Perhaps the cause of obesity in this country is more related to the actions of corrupt politicians who support the needs of Big Agra rather than the health of the citizens.

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Is fat the new gay or what?
Posted by: hagwind on Oct 3, 2009 7:15 AM   
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This progression from "it's a sin" to "it's a health issue" to "they can't help it" is beginning to look real familiar. In fact, a run through the lyrics of "Gee, Officer Krupke," from West Side Story, reminds me that other kinds of "deviance" have gone through a similar progression.

When the subject of fat comes up, even AlterNet journalists lose whatever critical faculties they've got. This article, like so many others, never distinguishes between "fat," "overweight," and "obese." Like obscenity, I guess, we're supposed to know it when we see it. And it's irresponsible for a supposedly progressive website to intone stuff like "CDC reports that in 2000, obesity related health care costs came to $117 billion" without at least alluding to the other factors involved, like poverty and depression.

And while we're at it, could you give the word "epidemic" a rest? That way I'd at least have the illusion that you're not parroting the same script as the mainstream media.

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Well, it's certainly a relief to know...
Posted by: wildbill on Oct 3, 2009 7:29 AM   
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...that I didn't get fat just because I eat too much of all the wrong things and live a sedentary lifestyle, sitting here at my computer, responding to blogs like this!

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Many of you don't have endocrine issues now...
Posted by: clvngodess on Oct 3, 2009 7:46 AM   
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But you may. I do, and I'm active, vegetarian, don't eat super size of any kind. And have had issues with my weight bouncing up and down, no matter what I did to maintain a healthy weight.

Turns out, I have a disease that is now affecting more and more people, specifically women. Hashimoto's Disease. It's an autoimmune affliction that essentially inflames and destroys the thyroid. So I'm now a middle aged menopausal woman who is an uncomfortable 30 pounds over weight. The meds don't help to burn off the gain.

Sadly, flouride is a contributor. Soy is a contributor. Gluten is a contributor. Drinking tea, or any alcohol contributes. MSG contributes. Canola oil contributes. Corn contributes. And according to my physician the combination of various hormones in dairy and other products along with chemicals such as endocrine disruptors are all contributors to why my thyroid is now not functioning.

Add to that, that this condition may show up with "normal" readings in blood work, but have other symptoms; hair loss, increased sleeping/fatigue, brittle skin and nails, anemia, depression and other symtoms....

I'm not fat because I'm lazy and super size while watching football, things I do not do. I'm fat because my body cannot handle what was hidden in my food which then contributed to the destruction response to my thyroid. And I probably had this disease my whole life and no one bothered to check.

There are a lot of hidden poisons in our foods disguised as spices, natural flavors, hydrogenated fats, high fructose corn sweeteners, modified food starch or soy proteins, all of which have an accumulative effect on the body. What you end up with all depends on how your body manages to utilize the crap we eat.

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Shopping tips
Posted by: 2dogarage on Oct 3, 2009 7:48 AM   
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With few exceptions there are only two sections in most supermarkets that are worth visiting, the meat section and the fresh produce section. Realizing this simple fact has not only made my diet healthier but has simplified my shopping drastically. Anything that comes in a box is likely loaded with chemicals, I personally avoid the entire middle part of the store except for things like toilet paper and tea.

A good way to avoid pthalates is to filter your own tap water, download into glass bottles (I use Synergy Kombucha bottles)and store in the refrigerator for travel.

I also choose to live in the mountains where the air is clean(er) and there is no toxic industry nearby.

Some people bemoan what big business is doing to our air, water and food and yet choose to have children in areas that are obviously highly polluted.

Perhaps if each individual were to weigh the pros and cons of their own actions and instead of blaming the agents of entropy that lurk without insist on a world that fosters health and not death things would change.

In the meantime it's fairly simple for a conscious person to avoid the near occasion of obesity and ill-health by industrial predation.

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HELLO!
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 3, 2009 7:59 AM   
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Excellent article. It is about time we started to realize obesity is far more complex than lifestyles. The blame the individual came from when society, grappling with unprecedented change, needed a prejudice it could live with. Since the perception (never backed by real science) was that fat people caused their own condition, they were the perfect deviant. This was greatly exploited by Pharma's marketing department, as most of the anti-obesity hysteria now comes from Pharma's PR department.

One thing that sticks in my beautiful, HEALTHY ample derriere though is that they keep using stats from the CDC as to how fat we are. The CDC is in the back pocket of special interests. Weight standards were lowered against good science to sell more pills. The CDC is to Pharma what the Federal Reserve is to bankers.

Thanks to Alternet for their courage in printing this. As for all those who remain skeptical, maybe it is time for you to look inside and ask yourself why. Maybe fat hatred serves a psychological function for you. Maybe you are projecting your own resistance to grow emotionally on fat people. You can only see us as refusing to change our bodies because at some level you refuse to open your minds.

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The devil made me do it
Posted by: mrxls on Oct 3, 2009 8:03 AM   
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When you eat more than you use your body stores the difference. Oh some foods get stored more "efficiently" and some metabolisms do a better job of retaining those extra calories but the bottom line is unless you achieve caloric balance in and out you'll gain weight.

When I see an obese person I think impulsiveness, sloth, ignorance and suffering. I also think they're probably having a lot of fun eating and are happy to avoid the pain of physical activity. I don't need some reason to absolve friends and family members who are obese of responsibility for their condition in order to love and cherish them. Obesity is not someone's essence but it is a reflection on how they are choosing to go through life.

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There is a Solution - but you're not allowed to have it!
Posted by: stellabloo on Oct 3, 2009 8:09 AM   
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There is a perfect food that can easily be added to breads and cereals, actually, pretty much anything. It can't be grown in Amerika because it is ILLEGAL.

History of Hemp Hearts

"... I was certainly not the first to discover that the “heart” of the hemp seed could be used to change diets and reverse serious health conditions. The Latin name for the hemp plant, cannabis sativa, means most perfect food, but for at least seven thousand years before the plant was given its Latin name, human history was frequently linked to the use of hemp seeds for health and energy.

"The most comprehensive and amazing scientific study ever performed on the effect of the “heart” of the hemp seed on human health was undertaken by Dr. Jan Kabelik, director of The Institute of Hygiene and Epidemiology at Palacky University, Dr. F. Santavy, director of the Institute of Medical Chemistry at Palacky University and Dr. Josef Sirek, Chairman of the Tuberculosis Hospital at Jince, Czechoslovakia.

"For over thirty years, when modern drugs were not available, these doctors and their many colleagues used the dissolved “hearts” of hemp seeds ... to cure tuberculosis in all of the individuals treated--mostly children. Their records of their procedures and results are meticulous ... The doctors credited their success to the unique protein composition of hemp seeds. "

Open Secrets: Lobbying Spending Database

The top lobbyists of all time include the American Medical Association, the American Hospitals Association and Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing. In short, sickness is Big Business. In other words, the System is not interested in fixing the Problem.

The unemployment rate is close to 10%? Once 10% of amerikans are eliminated either by going to prison or into a hospital, then the economic crisis will be "officially" over. You don't think so? Ask yourself (or better yet, your government representative) why something as innocuous and beneficial as industrial hemp is STILL illegal in the Land of the "Free".

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IF STUDY IS CORRECT
Posted by: Birdland on Oct 3, 2009 8:15 AM   
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We should all be fat. Few of us eat fresh foods only. My doctor looked at me last week and told me I looked underweight. I looked back at him and told him I have been the same weight for all my life...decades. I eat as much as I want and don't gain because I am active. I sit for a short time on this addictive computer, but not too long. There's a world out there calling me. Since I eat all things in moderation, including a little junk food now and then, those chemicals don't seem to influence my weight. But a co-worker who is a compulsive eater, 300lbs, diabetic, and eats enough junk food for three people, probably is the fatty my doctor compared me to for being too thin. Even clothes manufacturers think we're all fat. They make the legs on pants big enough for elephants. Being 5'4" and 117lbs is the new underweight for my doctor. Still we should get all toxins out of our foods. Our government would never protect us from corporations that line their pockets. I wish you all good health...keep trying to eat well and educated on food issues. Now I have to stack and split some more firewood...getting chilly in the Rockies.

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Turn off the TV and grow some food locally and buy local produce.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 3, 2009 9:02 AM   
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That should reduce the obesity epidemic some.

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Then the gulags are actually health camps.
Posted by: billwald on Oct 3, 2009 9:10 AM   
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One never sees pictures of fat people leaving prison camps. Calories in less calories burned equals fat production.

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BPA IN INFANT PACIFIERS
Posted by: Grandma on Oct 3, 2009 9:28 AM   
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many years ago I contacted the FDA regarding the BPA in infant pacifiers.I was informed that they had acted upon the problem 1. the manufacturers of pacifiers containing BPA could sell off their remainng stock and 2. it was left up to the manufacturers discretion to make any necessary changes. I am told that pacifiers are now labled if the do not contain BPA and the consumer has a choice. Whenever you see toddlers, even the recent tv picture of Tiger woods' little daughter, the plastic pacifier was used. How can the ordinary consumer be made aware of the danger. When I did my research it was pointed out that the infant's saliva released the toxins in the pacifier. How many parents know about BPA and what companies have volunteered to remove BPA totally from infant pacifiers and how much does labeling really protect an uninformed public about something that should not be available.

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Yes and a big NO
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Oct 3, 2009 9:35 AM   
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I'm sure these chemicals contribute to the predisposition to overweight but when compared to the contribution of processed foods, junk foods and portion size the contribution is probably quite limited. Makes for an interesting story and we definitely should be concerned about chemical exposure - but perhaps we should start being concrned about ALL processed food and what is done to it and to us as our primary path to weight loss.

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Factual error needs to be edited in the fourth paragraph
Posted by: Sagan on Oct 3, 2009 9:43 AM   
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"So it's no wonder that the Centers for Disease Control report that more than a staggering 60 percent of adults and 16 percent of children are obese."

Nope, sorry, you misinterpreted the CDC's report or your math is wrong.

NCHS and CDC Data Brief:
"More than one-third of U.S. adults were obese in 2005–2006. This includes 33.3% of men and 35.3% of women."

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BPA inInfant pacifiers
Posted by: Grandma on Oct 3, 2009 10:15 AM   
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The purpose of providing information on infant pacifiers is certainly not to underestimate all the toxic factors in our food and environment but merely to show just another example of the lack of ethics existing in those who should be protecting us--protecting especially the most vulnerable as well as the uninformed

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waterman
Posted by: happybear on Oct 3, 2009 10:23 AM   
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This article is wonderful! I now have a reason that I am fat that shows that it's not my fault! I was lucky when I killed that older couple with my car with no brakes (because I was out of work and couldn't afford to fix them), even though I was drunk (not my fault, I had taken some sleeping pills and they effect my ability to tolerate the couple, maybe a few drinks that I had to have because I was depressed about my being out of work). But because the road was slippery, even my driving the speed limit (or a little bit more because the cops always allow at least 10mph faster), I couldn't control my car because of the low tire caused by hitting the curb on the way into the parking lot where the couple was walking to their car from the restaurant ( I'll bet they were drinking with their dinner, but we'll never know because they DIED and won't talk to us). Well, I was hurt, too. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt because the car manufacturer doesn't make them comfortable enough and I hit the dashboard. I would have hit the steering wheel except that I ducked out of the way when I realized that I was going to hit the people that walked out in front of me.
Boy! This world is just out to get me.....

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My Wife Eats Like a Horse But Is Pretty Slim
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 12:28 PM   
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I was going to say she burns it off by her sexual energy, and Yoga and all the other forms of exercise she does...

But the truth is that her body is always muscularly active - even when she is asleep...

Her fingers and toes are always moving

She is alive

Whereas I who eat much less than she does, get fat if she doesn't drag me out with her cycling and walking and dancing and stuff.

My body is not naturally active all the time. Like if I just sit there my fingers and toes are not twitching continuously - unless I am listening to some really good music.

Tony

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msg leads to mitochondia dysfunction listed as "flavour"
Posted by: sandy55 on Oct 3, 2009 1:15 PM   
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The job of mitochondria is to supply energy in the form of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This is the universal currency of energy. It can be used for all sorts of biochemical jobs from muscle contraction to hormone production. When mitochondria fail, this results in poor supply of ATP, so cells go slow because they do not have the energy supply to function at a normal speed. This means that all bodily functions go slow.
basic info above to understand the rest:
The job of mitochondria is to supply energy in the form of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This is the universal currency of energy. It can be used for all sorts of biochemical jobs from muscle contraction to hormone production. When mitochondria fail, this results in poor supply of ATP, so cells go slow because they do not have the energy supply to function at a normal speed. This means that all bodily functions go slow.The job of mitochondria is to supply energy in the form of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This is the universal currency of energy. It can be used for all sorts of biochemical jobs from muscle contraction to hormone production. When mitochondria fail, this results in poor supply of ATP, so cells go slow because they do not have the energy supply to function at a normal speed. This means that all bodily functions go slow.

MSG flow chart on this link very interesting:

http://www.msgtruth.org/

MSG in baby formula yep look it up as the link will not work.

A search on drugs that cause mitochodrial dysfunction may save you a lot of pain as that link will not work either. Especially dangerous are antidepressants but the list is long.
All these things that can damage the mitochondria can make you fat and if fat is alll you get you are one of the lucky ones.

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Don't forget the "fluoride"
Posted by: harpy on Oct 3, 2009 2:07 PM   
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in the water, which is really a waste product of the fertilizer industry. It will cause hypothyroidism (fluoride poisoning symptoms are the same as hypothyroidism)kidney problems, hip fractures, dental fluorisis,and many other physical problems. linked text The Sierra Club organized a sign-on petition to EPA to deny a permit on the basis that sulfuryl fluoride has 4,780 times the global warming impact of carbon dioxide.
Go to the Fluoride Action Network and see all the problems that fluoride causes, and it will not prevent tooth decay when you drink it. It's only approved for topical use. That's why the hygienist tells you NOT to swallow, and your toothpaste tube tells you to go to the poison control center if you swallow it.

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Where are the obesogenes in Paris?
Posted by: tekinette on Oct 3, 2009 2:29 PM   
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It's 'La Nuit Blanche' in Paris tonight, an all-night event of outdoor happenings throughout the city. Took the bus home and at one stop 30 teenagers got on, filling the bus with mirth and laughter. Now here's the point: Not one of them was obese, all were slim and healthy. Might be worthwhile to send some of your researchers here to find out why.

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Possible Link Does not Mean Pobable Nor Major Contributor
Posted by: bluecap on Oct 3, 2009 3:20 PM   
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While these studies "may indicate" a link the research as presented is not compelling; is this like the research on saccharin where they fed mice the equivalent of people eating 20 pounds of the substance a day to induce cancer formulation?

Sorry, the FACTS are that Americans eat like pigs in both quality and quantity; PERIOD. If the toxic chemicals in our environment are a contributing factor then all the more reason to apply self-discipline in not only what we eat but in what we define as acceptable in our "disposable plastic world".

Stop trying to place the blame 100% on external influences and take personal responsibility for not only your own actions but for the detrimental actions that WE ALLOW corporate America to shove down our throats.

Quit making EXCUSES and start taking ACTION.

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When and where did pacifier use start? (Oral fixationers?)
Posted by: plantland on Oct 3, 2009 3:27 PM   
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Thanks for acting on BPA.

Mentioning pacifiers made me wonder when the phenomenon started. (You don't see them in Dorothea's Lange's photos of the Depression.)

I wonder whether there is any chance that pacifiers predispose one to compulsive eating.

Whether or not, frequency, and duration of pacifier use really belongs in oral histories
of children. Some pediatricians may have made such notes.

Sugar free gum, courtesy of Donald Rumsfeld's pushing that through the FDA, could also predispose some to eat compulsively.

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The Scent of Trolls
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 3, 2009 4:47 PM   
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I posted a comment earlier, but I feel a need to say something else. After reading these comments, I can only conclude that either many Alternet readers are moral hypocrites (they would never tolerate such closed minds towards any other group and who would give a 5 to a concentration camp comment???) or there are professional trolls doing alot of PR here. I think the later is the better explanation. If this theory is true, it would be very costly to correct. So the chemical industry will pull out all the stops to make sure we don't accept it. Funny, but one group called the Council on Science and Health actively promoted weight and lifestyle as the causes we should be concerned about for disease prevention. They claim it is foolish to look at other explanations. Low and behold their major funders are the chemical companies!!! There is just a little too much spin in these comments.

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How Studies Work
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 3, 2009 4:58 PM   
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As an educator trained in research methodology I must respond to one theme in above posts that the conclusion of these studies can't be true because not everyone is getting fat. No study works that way. They look at different groups and examine the degree of the difference. With chemicals, they compare groups who have and have not been exposed to chemicals. They found MORE fat people in the group with chemical exposure, not that every single person is fat. No one doubts smoking causes lung cancer. Does every smoker get it? Or course not. Funny, but the same people doubting these results have no problems buying the theory that obesity causes heart disease and diabetes. Yet not all fat people get these diseases; one large study found one half of fat people do not have high blood pressure, high blood sugar or high cholesterol. Our ignorance about how the scientific process works is a problem it and of itself.

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Exercise less, lose weight
Posted by: RRTX on Oct 3, 2009 5:41 PM   
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I commented in the earlier pu leeze thread but did not say this.

Exercise the arm, elbow, hands and mouth less and I guarantee you will lose weight.

Plus, to pig out they way a huge number of Americans do and then think you will lose weight with exercise is whistling Dixie. Is not going to happen.

Cut the calories a lot. Lose weight.

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Chems make pigs fatter, people eat pigs, people get fat...
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 3, 2009 6:26 PM   
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Certain hormones fed to pigs, cattle,... are called fattening agents. The fattening agents are stored in the animal's meat and fat. People eat the meat. People get fat. Any cause and effect?

This American generation has gotten fat explosively fast. 20 years ago there was no such thing as 30% obesity throughout the southern states. Boy are we dead!

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I spotted the team immediately
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 6:29 PM   
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It was completely obvious

Five Blokes of all ages with The Godfather watching everything

And their really pretty Girls

Now I Don't Mind Giving Your Pretty Daughter a Pound

But Don't Steal My Pint of Beer Again

Or I am Likely To Get Annoyed

They think I Don't Know Their History...

But about 8 years ago, they stole my fucking car...

And had a bonfire with it

OK my car was fucked and only worth about £400

But it still went - even if it was a bit jumpy

And I was pretty skint at the time

And I couldn't fucking believe it

I was about to go and pick up my daughter from her evening class...

I had the keys in my hand

But where is the car?

The car had gone

So you have stolen my car - and you steal my beer - and I do not want to shag your daughter...what's the deal?



People Are Hurting - Even Here and Now - In Our Country ENGLAND

And Are Stealing So They Can Eat

Tony

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Just Like Americans To Always Look For Something or Someone To Blame
Posted by: Priam1 on Oct 3, 2009 6:44 PM   
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I think this derives from the 60's in which Feminism as we know it today got its start. We've become so effeminate that we cannot even see our need to blame someone or something for our lack of competance or control. By doing this, we feel less guilty. Who but Americans would be arrogant enough to make the bizarre claim that chemicals intoduced into our system is making us fat when all the statistical evidence points to our more sedentary livestyle and a penchant for fast foods. And, we can compare society with the Europeans and the Asians to reinforce the fact that we are greater consumers of fatty foods. Let's put responsibility where it belongs--in the hands of the person that sticks the food into his or her mouth.

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The Irish Have Wanked Out
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 6:54 PM   
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They think I Don't Know Their History...

But about 8 years ago, they stole my fucking car...

And had a bonfire with it

OK my car was fucked and only worth about £400

But it still went - even if it was a bit jumpy

And I was pretty skint at the time

And I couldn't fucking believe it

I was about to go and pick up my daughter from her evening class...

I had the keys in my hand

But where is the car?

The car had gone

So you have stolen my car - and you steal my beer - and I do not want to shag your daughter...what's the deal?


People Are Hurting - Even Here and Now - In Our Country ENGLAND

And Are Stealing So They Can Eat


The IRISH Have Wanked Out

If You Think Us ENGLISH Were Cunts

And We Were

You Do Not Realise What It Will Be Like To Have A NAZI Cunt Up Your ARSE

Tony

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It's not your fault after all. How nice!
Posted by: dkm on Oct 3, 2009 7:36 PM   
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This article makes a lot of unsupported correlations. To get a better idea of what is happening, let's go to cultures where some of the things mentioned do not occur and see what the results have been. China is having its own obesity problem and it is found among those groups that have changed to an American fast food diet. They are not being exposed to nearly as many environmental chemicals as we are. They ARE being exposed to as many environmental chemicals as their normal brethren who have NOT adopted a western life-style.

Europeans have less exposure to these environmental chemicals because they require corporations to prove that their chemicals are safe, not the situation in the US where someone else has to prove that the chemicals are harmful. Despite that, the Brits are now fast approaching the US in their girth size, and other countries that have adopted US life styles are close behind.

The other way of blowing this thesis out of the water is to look at the distribution of obesity in the US and lo and behold, you find that it follows diets heavy in fat and life styles low in exercise, not chemicals in the environment.

This is NOT to say that these chemicals are harmless, just that you can't blame them for the obesity epidemic. They need to be removed and a European legal philosophy that the manufacturer first has to prove no harm before foisting their product on the public should be instituted. But the nice thing about this article is that it takes the onus off the person responsible for their body condition and puts the onus on someone else. Now obese people don't have to try to get healthy. Is the author actually trying to institute a population control mechanism by killing off people as fast as possible? Sort of like the Cheney/Bush program of killing off people of reproductive age in wars of choice.

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Correlation between feminism and obesity...
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 3, 2009 7:43 PM   
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is one of the dumbest analogies I've ever read. Do you mean feminists are obese? 55% of Americans are overweight; a lesser % are obese or morbidly obese. I don't know any obese feminists. Are you obese and anti-feminist? If you're female, how can you be anti-feminist? Feminists will take you in, care for you, help you lose weight--if you need to--but your analogy is just ignorant!

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11% methanol part of aspartame becomes formaldehyde in humans
Posted by: rmforall on Oct 3, 2009 7:49 PM   
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11% methanol part of aspartame becomes formaldehyde in humans: Rich Murray 2009.10.03

Over 100 mg methanol impurity per liter wine becomes formaldehyde and then formic acid in humans -- co-factors for "morning after" hangovers -- folic acid protects most people.

There is the same level of methanol from the 11% methanol part of the aspartame molecule in 2 L [ 6 cans ] aspartame beverages.

Obesity is commonly involved.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/579335

Dermatitis. 2008; 19(3): E10-E11.
© 2008 American Contact Dermatitis Society
Formaldehyde, Aspartame, and Migraines: A Possible Connection
Sharon E. Jacob; Sarah Stechschulte
Published: 09/17/2008

Abstract

Aspartame is a widely used artificial sweetener that has been linked to pediatric and adolescent migraines.
Upon ingestion, aspartame is broken, converted, and oxidized into
formaldehyde in various tissues.
We present the first case series of aspartame-associated migraines related to clinically relevant positive reactions to formaldehyde
on patch testing.

formaldehyde, aspartame, and migraines, the first case series, Sharon E Jacob-Soo, Sarah A Stechschulte, UCSD, Dermatitis 2008 May:
Rich Murray 2008.07.18
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.htm
Friday, July 18, 2008
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1553

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Live Music
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 8:03 PM   
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In England there are pubs that serve Great Beer and Do The Most Wonderful Food...

And there are some pubs that also serve up musicians...

And so all our friends communicate with each other and we go to the pubs who serve up

Great Musicians

Usually within walking distance or a bus ride away

Tony

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Who gives a fuck about your car...
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 3, 2009 8:05 PM   
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when your post is total nonsense, full of "sound and fury," saying nothing!

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I Tell People I Have Retired - And They Say So All You Have Got To Look Forward To Is Death
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 3, 2009 8:26 PM   
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And I Try And Explain

But They Don't Get It.....

No I do not have to get up at 6:30 am and work through till 11pm

And get home by midnight and have a bit of sleep and get up at 6:30 am and do it again

EVERY DAY

cOS THE WORK IS SO INTERESTING AND IMPORTANT

I am now Retired

And don't have to do that every day

But I would if the end result was that Tony Blair was in The International Court of Human Rights on The Charge Of War Crimes Against Humanity...

How come I have so much energy and passion - whilst maybe you are just a lawyer and couldn't give a fuck about innocence or guilt - so long as you get paid??

Tony

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It's the space between your lower and upper teeth....
Posted by: peterjkraus on Oct 3, 2009 8:36 PM   
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....that does it. Tip: eliminate the space between your lower and your upper teeth for a week or so and you will lose weight. Guaranteed.

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The article tells part of the story
Posted by: drbryanwalsh on Oct 3, 2009 8:36 PM   
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Toxic chemicals do play a role in obesity, but they only play part of the picture. There are studies showing exposure to certain chemicals increases body mass of mice, even on a lower calorie diet than the control group.

But there are MANY other factors beyond simply diet and exercise.

Thyroid function, hormonal balance, neurotransmitter balance, gastrointestinal function, liver function, blood sugar management, and even basic mitochondrial function on a cellular level all play a critical role in fat loss.

This article gets it partly right, but there is much more to the fat loss picture.

Be well,
Dr. Bryan Walsh

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Skeptical??
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 3, 2009 8:43 PM   
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This article is another bullshit study similar to the ones years ago which said peanut butter was bad since it had charcoal/carcinogens in it, and now it's touted in small amts. as reducing high cholesterol. Remember ketchup which Ronald Reagan declared as a vegetable on school kids lunches when it has high fat and sugar content.

It's the study of the day. Fat people, obese people, and I'm not talking about people of a certain age who have a few pounds--even drs. allow that--simply need to stop eating SO MUCH.

How many of us have ever been in restaurants seeing fat and obese people stuffing themselves with bread and butter and potatoes and desserts without thinking, ooh, why do they do this?

On a related topic, smoking, I tell you facts which have a correlation regarding health care and smoking. You might not know smokers pay $26,000,000,000 dollars in taxes, yes, billion, for their health care in excess taxes which not only pays for their health care, but for a myriad of health and non-related services for non-smokers, who DO NOT pay these "sin taxes," many of whom are obese.

So if we're going after the smokers in excessive taxes which covers any disease they get, unrelated to smoking, and which pays for diseases of non-smokers, let's levy taxes on food, e.g., bacon, potato chips and other non-nutritional snacks, soft drinks of all kinds, sugar-filled cookies and cereal, high fat milk and cheese, potatoes, corn, carrots, fast food of most kinds, etc.

Levying higher taxes will not stop smokers from smoking; higher taxes on unhealthy foodstuffs will not keep fat or obese people from eating them; in our democracy, we have choices. Some of us pay for them; some benefit because the rest of us do.

Regardless of all studies I've read for fifty years, people get fat because they eat too much, period. I don't buy this article's premise that it's in the air or the chemicals or anything else. Anyone who truly wants to lose weight can. It's a choice.

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Go away, Tony
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 3, 2009 8:48 PM   
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You are off-topic here. No one is talking about Tony Blair. Perhaps you're on the wrong website?

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This is
Posted by: hughesrg on Oct 3, 2009 10:25 PM   
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Utter Bullshit! Take responsibility, make better choices, put down the remote, stop eating like shit and go to the gym! Simple as that...

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Oh, goody! Something else we can use as an excuse for not changing our unhealthy lifestyles ...
Posted by: harryf200 on Oct 3, 2009 10:45 PM   
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Our FAT is our fault
Posted by: the director on Oct 4, 2009 8:04 AM   
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Being fat is our fault. We spend the money.
Preservatives prevent biological cellular metabolism, that’s why they are called preservatives.
In 1202 those who added fillers or preservatives to their bread or beer were hanged.
Should we start hanging chemists?
What chemists fail to remember is we are all downstream.
Back to fat, if you don’t exercise and eat too much especially foods with preservatives YOU are going to get fat and its your fault. You bought it and you ate it.

We are what we eat.
Since before the formation of the FDA our government has been allowing more and more chemicals to be added to our food, water and air. Our bodies are incapable of metabolizing synthetic compounds. Aspirin? or White Willow Bark? Both will address a headache but aspirin can kill you when the Bark of the Willow will not.

We want to blame someone for our fat,? Sorry the buck stops where you belly covers your belt buckle. Our health is our responsibility.
We can be heard by our State and National governments by remembering WE SPEND THE MONEY.

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Fatty, fatty, two-by-four...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Oct 4, 2009 8:20 AM   
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Exercise, shop the perimeter of the grocery store, don't buy anything in a can or jar, eat organic as much as possible and use supplements to make up for the depletion of nutrients in the soil. Drink good chemical free water and stay away from fruit juices. Don't eat anything white until you have lost the weight you want to lose.

I read that 75% of high school graduates in Oklahoma couldn't name the first president of the United States. I doubt very seriously if they know how to eat healthy or cook, either. America is raising up a new generation of chronicly ill, fat, ignorant people....the real 'Pepsi Generation.'

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Laughing in the Grocery Store Aisle
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Oct 4, 2009 8:27 AM   
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Marketing and a seriously undereducated American consumer are the two most important factors at work here. Nothing else even comes close as to reasons for this issue.

Obesogens? Totally false. Totally made up. Trace chemicals? Sure. But all you have to do is look at other countries to see that they use the same type of products we do and they're not obese like us.

Marketing is big business, just like pharmas are HUGE business here. Clever marketing that pushes garbage food onto the public, and the fact that Americans are **willfully ignorant** (about most things), are the two main reasons why we have an obese population.

That's all you need to know.

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Scary
Posted by: wzsteen on Oct 4, 2009 8:32 AM   
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Well, that plus the fact there is a fast food joint on literally every corner in America!

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THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION REPORTS THAT OBESITY FOLLOWS
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 4, 2009 11:06 AM   
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income. The wealthy are seldom obese. Yes weight often follows genetics. Outside of the genetic limitations it follows income.

In the United States statistics show that the poor are more frequently obese. I would reccommend that you read a British book. It is "The Spirit Level" by Wilkinson and Prichett. Amazon UK has it. Amazon US will have it in December. When you finish with it you will decide that the above article is only 'messing' with one corner of the problem. It's not wrong. It is just not right enough.

It is a difficult problem. It is multifaceted. I am personally assured that there are facets that we have yet to even guess at.

Having said that I can take you to people that were stocky in build, but after heavy steroid usage ended up obese. My first wife got sick at 53 and died at 58. She never weighed over 115. It was genetic. My new gal is badly overweight. She eats like a bird. She has had heavy duty steroid treatment to bounce her out of pneumonia. This has happened as often as three times a year. I don't think she will ever be well.

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A body-type thing
Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 4, 2009 11:09 AM   
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I'm sure the American diet, fostered by big business and lotsa chemicals, is behind our burgeoning national hugeness. But I also believe the key factor is body type.

My viewpoint comes from the fact that I'm a thin person who is always unsuccessfully trying to gain weight.

This is strange. Since eating is a pleasure, and fatteinng foods are the yummiest, gaining weight should be as easy as losing weight is hard. Just let yourself go and have seconds of everything...

But of course, it just ain't so. This convinces me that we shouldn't give big people a hard time, even if they couldn't squish us like bugs. Their bodies are set on being big, just as mine is set on being small. It's probably God having a good laugh on us.

I'm certainly not a model of self-control or spiritual mastery because I have stayed svelte for my whole life, though you're welcome to think so.

On the contrary, if anyone is a glutton, it's us skinny guys, who are always making our big friends faint with the things we scarf down.

So--even though my problem is the opposite of the national one--my experience suggests weight is fundamentally a body-type thing, though the American lifestyle will kill anyone. I recommend yoga and its sister science, ayurveda, for humans of all sizes.

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WHEN NON MEDICAL TYPES WEIGH IN ON WHAT IS TRULY A MEDICAL PROBLEM
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 4, 2009 11:58 AM   
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the arguments do wander off. Lets try something. The Brits see medical causality differently than we do. Lets try it from their view.

The Brits have done this. They placed a fresh cadaver in a body bag. They left it to "mature" at room temperature. They then did as complete an anayalsis as they were able. The body would contain almost every know disease. Interestingly they almost always found bubonic plague. The cadaver in life had not died from the ailments they found. His/her immune system had held them in check. The implication is that we would all be dead if our immune system wasn't keeping truly awful things in constant check.

The take away from this is that you may well be "catching" your illness from yourself. All it may well take to cause illness is for your immune system to be overwhelmed. Here enters stress.

It is for sure that a new strain of virus is being correctly analylized. There is no immunity. But other illnesses can and do come from stress. You self infect.

How much of obesity is stress related? The stress of poverty and "hard" living is going to loom bigger than we had expected. The statistics support this. Obesity follows wealth. The wealthy are more seldom obese.

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I would say it's the addictive chemicals in our foods and that society has gotten less social.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Oct 4, 2009 12:33 PM   
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Plastics can have their harmful effects but I disagree that plastics on everything is the cause for obesity. I wear nylon clothing a lot and I'm not fat but slender.

Now, the chemicals in foods such as MSG, high frustose corn syrup, aspartame, etc ... have been known to cause obesity thanks to those chemicals making the foods addictive so that people would eat uncontrollably and get unhealthy. Sure, that's great for those manufacturers who want those volume sales coming and what better ways to get them than by seducing more people for more of the same.

Another cause is lack of being social and sometimes getting depressed and feeling rejected. I remember when I was younger I used to eat compulsively when I got depressed. For a while it would feel like eating like crazy would get me out of that depressed feeling but it kept coming back. I had so much to regret from that but am glad that I overcame the eating from depression madness over the years.

I have heard about hemp based plastics and can see where hemp would replace crude oil based plastics but I don't see where that alone will help reduce obesity.

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Heredity?
Posted by: DHFabian on Oct 4, 2009 12:45 PM   
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I think my own family is a laboratory for diet studies! My parents, kid sister and I have all experienced significant weight problems. In fact, my sister suddenly died this past April, at the age of 44, as a result. I thought the weight issue was purely hereditary, until I was grown and on my own, with a diet based on "whatever I wanna eat". I just got lucky in that my favorite foods are fresh fruit and veggies. The weight fell off, and stayed in the 115-120 range in the 30+ years since. What I didn't understand is why this would be when, in fact, I ate more than my mother or sister. In trying to figure this out, I saw a difference that went beyond fats alone, or amount eaten per day. While I prefer plain, unprocessed foods, my family uses processed/convenience foods routinely. Ever read the list of ingredients on any package of processed food? Yah, there's a bit of food mixed into a mass of chemicals. Over time, I came to realize that the primary factor in weight differences in my own family (both immediate and branching out to cousins, etc.) corresponded to the amount of processed vs. unprocessed food (and therefore those chemicals) in our diets.

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Glen says
Posted by: glen brammel on Oct 4, 2009 6:50 PM   
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I am afraid that Americans are not taking this issue seriously. I hope that those of us who care will continue to spread the word about the benefits of remaining healthy. It will save us all a lot of time, money, and add years to our lives.

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Pop and chips and sloth
Posted by: Noah_Scape on Oct 4, 2009 7:47 PM   
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I am usually a pinko enlightened new-age permissive leftie, but where obese people are concerned I am a dinosaur.

EVERY obese person I know drinks sugary soda pop and eats processed carbs and sugary foods, and they do not get any exersize that raises their heart rates or makes them breathe hard. They pig out and are slothlike.

CALORIES IN Vs. CALORIES OUT = FAT OR NOT FAT

My life represents a small sample of the population, but still, I have to believe what I see.

If there is BLAME, it should go to food advertising on TV> those delicious looking images certainly must trigger the hunger system in our bodies.
Also, there is a TV ad running now from a diet centre that actually gives 'the excuse', saying "Remember, its not YOU, its you metabolism". I say BAH!!

Detractors:
Yes, there is room for metabolism, but that only means those people have to be more carefull, and work out harder.
Depression is another key factor - can I blame someone who is too depressed to look after themselves? [no, but the fat is still from calories!]
The chemicals mentioned probably are a factor, and obesity is one more reason they should be banned.

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Couch + Television = "obesegen". Otherwise, what a bunch of unscientific, religionist, creationist.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 4, 2009 8:46 PM   
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...poppycock.

Have fun with your faerie tales, if it makes you happy.

There are some chemicals that can mimic female hormones on men...promote their plumping up in the places females pack it on...when members of either sex engage in too much Mikkie Dees instead of necessary or voluntary (jog/work out) labor.

You figure it out. Consult your belt size.

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Obesity Is Not Your Fault
Posted by: mrtwilight23 on Oct 4, 2009 10:49 PM   
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People think they eat right if they adhere to the USDA food pyramid recommendations.

The very foundation of the pyramid recommends something like 6-8 servings of bread a day.
Bread makes me gain weight.
It also makes me hungry.
I could go the Olive Garden and eat my weight in breadsticks and still be ready for more.

Whole wheat bread makes me put on weight too for some reason.

According to the USDA half of your bread and cereal intake can come from processed food sources (e.g. white bread) , because it's got some fiber.

Also the USDA says junk food isn't junk food anymore, it's simply 'Empty Calories'.

The mounting evidence suggests it's more like poison.

Are they TRYING to make us sicker?

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Anything to keep you off the treadmill, right?
Posted by: Ayla87 on Oct 5, 2009 10:44 AM   
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It's not your fault you spent half your grocery money this week on junk food. It's not your fault that the most exercise you get a day is walking to and from the fridge; Or that spend 3+ hours a day on your ass watching low quality reality television shows. I mean, it's not like you have resources available to you, like say a public library or the local YMCA, where you can learn healthy living habits for little to no cost.

No, Impossible! There is nothing you can do to change your own health! It's your medication, your education, your job, your genes, even McDonalds for being so good at advertising! Now it's the chemicals. Chemicals that have been in the water for decades, in larger quantities but that doesn't matter because you're fat now and need another another bullshit excuse to layer on top of the dozen or so that you're currently using.

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I do know of a little known 3 step program to lose weight
Posted by: Caleb Darkstar on Oct 5, 2009 11:33 AM   
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Step 1/ Stop feeding your face. If you get winded going from the couch to the refrigerator and back, You probably do it too often.

Step2/ Get your big butt moving. Go outside and walk, go to the mall and walk, go to the gym and exercise. Or just volunteer to do anything physical to keep you moving.

Step 3 / Keep doing step 1 and 2 for, A week? nope. A month or two? wrong again. How about the rest of your life. Go to the front of the class.

And your life will be longer and more enjoyable. And it cost nothing, What a deal.

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cool piece...
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 5, 2009 12:19 PM   
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...shitty comments (the thugs and trolls came out from under the bridge), holy fuck.

It's not surprising that enviro-pollutants have something to do with this alleged "obesity epidemic." In SoCal I see as many scrawny, waif, healthy fit and overweighters as the other. I have to mitigate the crap my kids come home from school with, pointing out that "obesity" in the U.S. is calculated using a National Insurance Institute (okay I may have that trade group's name wrong, go Google it if you care--I have no time for this shit) created in the 1940's and based on NOT ONE SHRED OF SCIENCE. A man my age and height "ought" to weigh 145lbs max. Um, yeah, that's why every god damned MD I've ever been to laughs at that and says if I weighed that for my bone structure, body type and muscle mass I'd be fuckin' dead (well they don't usually say "fuckin'" that's my emphasis--it's a percussive quality...). I'm built like a brown bear minus the height afterall--legs and arms like tree-trunks, a neck like a tank, and a buck chest. I'm built like my Dad and have struggled, just like he did, with keeping excess weight off the middle from age 21 to the present. He dumped his overnight when he hit 60. "Take the stairs, not the 'vator" he always said. Only good advice I ever got from him.

Not only that, the other main cause of dietary fuckups is spelled P-O-V-E-R-T-Y. You can't git skinny on govt cheese, macaroni and ramen noodles. Until the lack of jobs, let alone living wage payin' ones, is addressed, I don't give a damn about what the CDC has to say.

When "obesity" is unlinked from the Insurance industry fuckheads' horseshit and based on actual science, they can call me and I'll rally-up. In the meantime I keep trying to just eat properly with as clean-food as I can scrounge up, collect my bottles & cans for my food budget, ride my bike every-fuckin'-where, do my workouts & training regimens (I'm a prof. sports official, among other things), and do what my PT tells me to (mainly cuz she's hot and yeah, whatever) and not worry about every other piece of shit beyond my control... oh yeah, and hate the shit outta the owning class fuckholes whose corporations are screwing the living daylights out of the rest of us day and night.

Be kind to the poor and fuck the rich pricks. We don't need 'em anymore.

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L-A-Z-Y...
Posted by: jimidee on Oct 6, 2009 7:42 AM   
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what's that spell? Lazy! Lazy! Lazy!

Can you say lazy? Sure you can.

Can you see lazy? Everywhere.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?

Human beings are gradually loosing the ability to walk. Just go to Wally World and watch the slugs ride the little carts that were originally for crippled and injured folks.

Can you say Jabba the Hutt?


Do I care? A little, but hey, you guys go ahead and have another brewski and piece of fried chicken...you are making me look more like Brad Pitt every day. (slight joke) I will be the one taking "care" of your wives and girlfriend after I leave my gym.

Fat person challenge: If any fat person were to follow me around for a few months, they would not be fat anymore...it is just that simple. You cannot possibly be fat doing what I do and eating what I eat, and I don't care if you eat the plastic water bottles...

BTW, fat people don't drink water, they drink soda and lots of it.

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mean people suck
Posted by: WyrdSister on Oct 6, 2009 10:25 AM   
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Anyone one of you who posted ugly nasty comments regarding those who are obese should be ashamed of yourselves; your prejudgous is showing.

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Ignorant Goobers of the Left
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 6, 2009 7:03 PM   
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I was chuckling as I read this article, envisioning the shitstorm of denial that I'd find in the comments -- and I was not disappointed. It was a perfect repeat of the frenzy of puritanical name-calling occasioned by Maggie Mahar's excellent article on obesity science last year. For that matter, almost all of Mahar's science articles debunking "common knowledge" in medicine seem to get the same response.

It used to make me crazy when AlterNet would publish the results of someone's published scientific research, and the answer would be a torrent of ignorant, anti-science comments that basically boiled down to "I have no facts to support my beliefs, but I know better than these scientists. They're just wrong, and somehow sleazy for daring to publish a research finding that doesn't agree with my prejudices. Any research whose findings I don't like is 'junk science' and/or bullshit ." (Weirdly reminiscent of Dick Cheney, ain't it?)

I've come to regard this process as a valuable spiritual exercise, to keep me from being too smug about the differences between those of us on the Left and the teabagger ignoramuses of the Right. I don't know why progressives can accept climate-change science but not science which suggests that environmental degradation affects our bodies in ways we don't yet understand -- but I can certainly see that it's true.

Turns out, I guess, that we are not all that superior to Creationists or climate-change deniers or the poor saps frothing at the mouth with genuine fear that Obama is a Hitler-cum-witchdoctor-cum-socialist who wants to kill their grandmas. Sure, those folks are ignorant goobers. But so are the many commenters who have aired their medieval-peasant mentalities here today. Ommmm... we are all onnnne...

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Excuses
Posted by: Bibsisis on Oct 9, 2009 11:27 PM   
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No matter what conditions you have, hypothyroid or whatever, is no excuse for weight. The answer is to eat less, period, exercise--if only walking in your home and doing housework. Running a vacuum burns many calories. Eat healthfully. No pizza or Big Macs or Burger Things. Healthy food tastes good if you are of a mind to do something like South Beach diet upon which you can lose a pound per day and eat nutritionally. Discipline and the goal of losing weight healthfully are the answer.

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As Nature Intended
Posted by: Candleinheart on Oct 10, 2009 2:55 PM   
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I was dreadfully sick for years through my teenage years. A chiropractor's adjustment cured me 'miraculously' of severe bronchitis and walking pneumonia. I learned then that there other ways to get better than western pills.
The Chiropractor taught me about good nutrition: Since age 19 I stopped all canned drinks, eliminated all foods made with white flour and ate whole grains. Increased fruits/veggies. Eventually married. Pregnant I stopped my few cigarettes in the afternoon. Breast fed kids, prepared all their food myself. Yogurt instead of ice cream, fruits for desserts, etc.Any desserts made were like banana cakes, carrot cakes, orange/lemon cakes. Always from scratch NO MIXES!!!(Read those horrid labels!)something with some nutrition. Sugar always a minimum. For 38 years I enjoyed excellent health. Prevention the key.
Eat foods as nature intended. The advice by some after this article is keep it simple, keep it pure. Fresh organic meats veggies when possible. Experiment with different grains,think BEAUTY on your plate. Does a hot dog, with french fries and a coke really appeal as opposed to a green salad with grated carrots,radishes, celery, parsley, raw mushrooms, a few raw spinach leaves with sliced grilled chicken strips on it not appeal to the eye? Colors have vibration. More colorful foods raise vibration levels. Natural vitamins when broken down by spectroscopes (?) show a rainbow of graded colors, where synthetic vitamins leave a band 2/3 less in scope;flat,dead. Best to eat WHOLE foods! I am 73. NO arthritis. NO hip pains. NO body pains...yes,some bp as I got older, and emotional issues but my hair shines and skin color is good. Invest in yourself and your health. Get high on he Beauty of luscious veggies/fruits. Snack on almond butter and apple, celery and hummus, fruit and cheese, carrot sticks and raisens, walnuts stuffed in dates, Good Grief! One Sweet Potatoe has 38,000 units of Vitamin A! Zhucchini loaded with potassium.Sesame Tahini loaded with minerals and calcium. All the vitamins and minerals you need are in your food chosen for wholeness and beauty.

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Plastics...or portion sizes?
Posted by: CaliJim on Oct 10, 2009 5:28 PM   
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Hmmm...I'm in full agreement that the chemicals in our foods and other products like plastics (particularly BPA) are not good for us and can likely be implicated in the incredible increase in obesity...but let's not go overboard, here.

How about portion sizes? Over the last few decades, portion sizes and calorie content of our foods has increased enormously. Here's a link to a chart that demonstrates that fact. (http://www.worldhealth.net/news/portion_size_then_and_now/)

During the same time period, we basically eliminated Physical Education and exercise requirements in the schools. According to my own admittedly meager personal research, vastly increasing caloric intake while reducing exercise to burn up the calories makes you FAT...what a shock!

Interestingly, I am 6' 2" tall and weigh in the range of 176-178 lbs...and have been told by a friend that I "look anorexic"! According to the BMI calculations, I'm at about 22, which is nearly perfect for my height...so, my friend's perception of "normal size" has obviously been skewed by viewing the average population. A few years ago, I hit my highest weight ever...238 lbs - and decided I had to do something to lose weight. I cut way back on carbohydrates, increased my protein intake and started to exercise while watching TV in the evenings instead of sitting on my ass on the couch...no change in my exposure to the chemicals as far as I know.

Certainly, there are bound to be some people who are negatively impacted by the chemicals, genetic problems and other issues, but for the vast majority, it appears to me to be just an excuse for not controlling what they eat and how much exercise they get.

IF you cut back on calories, increase your exercise, are careful about carbohydrate intake and all the rest and STILL don't lose weight, perhaps you have a valid reason to suspect the chemicals...but, let's try the basics first, huh?

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I agree unreservedly
Posted by: fredtowson on Oct 16, 2009 10:12 AM   
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I agree unreservedly with the latter part of this piece, which points out that health care costs increase in line with obesity. Diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, cerebral infarction, etc., etc., are all more prevalent among the obese. But I am somewhat sceptical about the extent of the link between obesity and the chemicals found in platic bottles and the like. Unless there are clear and identifiable differnces between the manufacturing process of plastic bottles, shampoos, etc., in Japan, where I live, and the U.S. why is it that here in Japan, where platic bottles and the like are ubiquitous, in my journeyings around Tokyo and elsewhere, in urban and rural districts, I only very rarely see someone I would describe as obese? On the other hand, if I think of some of the formative factors in education and daily life, for example that at least before and through the compulsory education process, a great deal of attention is paid to ensuring that children eat healthily, that local governments across the whole country put a lot of emphasis on encouraging people to exercise, to eat nutritiously, to walk or cycle instead of using the car, and so on, my personal view is that these traditional factors are fringe s02e05 hdtv.xvid-2hd english subtitles tv posters series posters субтитры субтитры у фильмам seropol5 still much more significant than obesogenic chemicals. It would not surprise me, however, to read in the not too distant future of the marketing of a range of new, anti-obesogenic drugs.

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