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Getting Laid-Off May Lead to Early Death -- But There Are Ways to Cushion the Severe Health Impact of Job Loss
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When you lose your job, with no prospect of finding another one quickly, you give up a lot more than income. You are deprived of a sense of security, a source of self-esteem, a certain status in the community. And, according to recent research, you also lose something even more precious: a year or more of your life.
That's the conclusion of two prominent economists, Daniel Sullivan of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago and Till von Wachter of Columbia University. Matching death records with employment and earnings data of Pennsylvania workers from the 1970s and '80s, they found mortality rates for high-seniority male workers spike sharply in the year following an involuntary job loss, and they remain surprisingly high two decades later.
If this higher death rate persists into old age, it implies "a loss in life expectancy of 1 to 1.5 years for a worker displaced at age 40," the researchers report. Or as von Wachter puts it more informally: "We were convincingly able to show that if you lose your job, you die earlier."
But the risk of premature death isn't limited to those who have actually been let go. A growing body of research suggests a nagging, persistent fear of losing one's job is also detrimental to one's health. University of Michigan sociologist Sarah Burgard, who has extensively studied the relationship between job loss, job insecurity and health, calls this "the waiting-for-the-other-shoe-to-drop problem." Given the current state of the economy, many people are anxiously awaiting the thud of that falling footwear.
In recent months, official Washington has been consumed by two issues: jobs and the economy, and the cost and availability of health care. But there has been surprisingly little discussion regarding the ways in which they intersect. A series of recent studies not only provide evidence these public-policy problems are interrelated: They also suggest that if, as many fear, long-term job security is largely a thing of the past, the public health consequences could be enormous.
Let us start with the latest research on job loss and health, published just last month in the journal Demography. Kate Strully, a sociologist at the University at Albany, State University of New York, found herself struggling with a question often raised by economists (including von Wachter). The correlation between ill health and job loss has long been established, but how can we know which is the cause and which is the effect? Surely some sick people are laid off because they're physically unable to meet the demands of the job. Does this skew the numbers and cause researchers to come to false conclusions?
To find an answer, Strully examined data from the U.S. Panel Study of Income Dynamics, a nationally representative longitudinal study of American families that includes detailed information on the participants' health and employment. The surveys reported not only if the person had lost a job, but under what circumstances.
This allowed Strully to focus her attention on what she calls "no-fault" job losses -- that is, people who became unemployed when their entire workplace shut down. Examples included factory closings and companies that went out of business. In these cases, literally everyone was let go, making it highly unlikely poor health was a factor in any worker's dismissal.
The workers were interviewed approximately a year and a half following the layoffs. Of those who were still unemployed, close to 9 percent reported developing a new stress-related health condition such as diabetes or hypertension since parting ways with their former employer. This compares to a 5 percent rate among people who reported their job condition was stable. Those who found new employment also had above-average rates of new health problems, although not as high as the long-term unemployed.
Given these figures, "I'm convinced that a large shock to one's socioeconomic status, such as job loss, negatively impacts health," she says.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 AM
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Most of us work to pay mortgages and (if lucky) have health insurance. So you have to question why mortgages and why health insurance?
Your mortgage payments go to a bank which had nothing to do with acquiring the land or building your house. The land was stolen and the builders have been paid and the bank has only acted as a broker, so why do they get to claim your house? Pre-2005, you would have been protected by bankruptcy laws. Funny how that's changed.
Robert Morris, the successful financier of the American Revolution, said that when money is involved things get complicated. You probably haven't heard of him because he ended up in prison and died penniless.
If we didn't have to pay mortgages and have health insurance, we could have much more enjoyable lives bartering and growing some food.
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Posted by: fmcevoy on Jul 1, 2009 2:08 AM
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When you're done with this life, there's a lot about it you're not going to miss.
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Posted by: COinms on Jul 1, 2009 4:20 AM
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 1, 2009 4:22 AM
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These social issues have very real and measurable human health impacts. This one is tragic.
But they are unvervalued and undestudied by the bio-medical industry.
NIOSH is the federal agency within the CDC that does research on what they call OOW = Organization of Work (google NIOSH) and OOW's impact on worker health and safety outcomes
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 AM
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According to this, I should be dead already. If I hadn't landed my current position (outside of the airlines), I might well be. I have little hope of retiring, having had to use 401K money to re-educate myself for a new career. I expect to work until I drop.
Welcome to the new American Dream.
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Posted by: Ellie1 on Jul 1, 2009 6:12 AM
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Jul 1, 2009 6:13 AM
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And yet I wish that my memories of growing up in a vastly different country than what exists now are too vivid and painful. There is another side to this: those of us who had children and now greatly regret, for their sakes, bringing them into a world where they see the twilight of what was but starkly stare into the gaping maw of what is to be. I hope they forgive us.
For decades they told us life would get better and better and we would one day live in some Jetsonslike utopia (or Disney's Futureworld). I think that collective shock to our consciousness is causing a great deal of mental and physical debilitation that I see.
If we didn't remember the past so vividly, perhaps the future would be less painful.
The other thing the article didn't touch on is the rising anger I see in many people over what is happening to their lives. With no outlet for this anger (street demonstrations in the USA are regarded as 'bad form' and the police now have carte blanche to beat anyone at will) we turn it inwards or on those closest to ourselves.
I asked the question many years ago which is now getting an answer: what happens when they offshore/export so many jobs that used to suppose so many Americans and their communities that the powers-that-be no longer have any use for our labor? Or our existence?
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Posted by: ellie on Jul 1, 2009 6:57 AM
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when people can't identify themselves according to their jobs anymore, american society sees it as failure... the job description or 'I' is removed and we don't' have a category for the person which makes them 'dangerous' or 'lazy' in the social system... causing more stress and alienation...
btw... news from the streets... last night a laid off major car manufacturer worker stabbed another guy almost to death because the other guy broke his home mop... yes, folks, attempted murder over a broken floor mop...
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jul 1, 2009 7:30 AM
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After decades of slogans like, "Our employees are our most valuable asset" and "We're all in this together", I no longer believe anything that I hear from an employer.
Today our government bails out multi-million dollar CEOs and their corrupt corporations, but does practically nothing for the millions of people hurt by their actions.
Labor laws are a joke that business just ignores. Unemployment benefits have gone nowhere in decades. Job opportunities were intentionally sent by government and big corporations overseas in their race to the bottom of the barrel. After 30 years of class warfare, there is no question which class has won.
Bush Lite Obama is no different. So far he's done nothing more than continue the corporate welfare policies of the past 30 years. No solutions for people being forced out of their homes. No solutions in health care. No solutions for jobs.
Welcome to America. No jobs, no financial security and no end to perpetual war.
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Posted by: rgd on Jul 1, 2009 7:47 AM
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Last year was the first time in 22 years I have gone fishing. Now I take my kids on a regular basis. Perhaps work will pick up again...someday... maybe... Or not.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 1, 2009 7:57 AM
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A society is only as good as its members aspire and struggle to be; and one true measure of a society is how it treats its least fortunate members. In that regard, our society is already committing suicide on the installment plan.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 1, 2009 8:28 AM
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Furthermore, corporations have merged with government, which was basically Mussolini's definition of fascism:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini.
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Posted by: nantyglo22 on Jul 1, 2009 8:42 AM
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One problem is that there are too many people and not enough jobs. Another woe is companies who summarily jettison workers, thinking it will stir the economic pot but it can take months to find another one like myself, who's been unemployed for six months. My self-esteem is low and I don't see any of my friends anymore, because they can go out and I can't, so no one wants to be around someone who has no money. ("When you have money, you have lots of friends-" God Bless The Child)
Although that is temporary, it does have an effect on you. We cannot go through too much alone. No one sees us cry when the bank account is dry when you have no food in the kitchen and when you can't afford to get your car serviced. The emptiness is as vast as the Sahara.
It's akin to skating, but in this age the ice is thin, and we've fallen through a crack. But the crack is as wide as the universe, and desperate as we try to claw on its edge, the societal agencies designed to aid jobless workers have failed us. The water is frigid.
Is there any quick solution to this malaise? How can we get people back to work?
Yes, a "stimulus" is great, but it's not enough. But it's a start. Our attitudes toward work must change, too.
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM
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I was totally healthy during the 6 1/2 year period I was blacklisted.
No fumes, no dust except the woodstove, no chemicals to aggravate my asthma and allergies. No exposure to bacteria or illnesses, since I made money as a street vendor and did not purvey items desired by the ill, i.e. fast food, groceries, pharmaceuticals, gasoline.
Many working-class individuals work in hazardous conditions, and I believe this is largely responsible for the sex differential in longevity.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM
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The five stages of grief are well documented and I've been through them. I'm now at the final stage of acceptance and even a realization that there are some benefits to early retirement, even at a lower standard of living than might have been expected. There really can be a nice life after your job is over.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jul 1, 2009 4:31 PM
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Um, why do you think us fat people die earlier? Society helps kill us. This are risk factors in a great many situations.
What I don't get is how many people still obsess on longevity when the economic future is so bleak. If you are set good for you. Enjoy your posh senior condo or tooting around the country in your RV. But those of us no longer in denial things will get better, who have no IRAs, no grand savings account (and are too busy living paycheck to paycheck to get one) and no real hope SSI will be enough, why are we being forced to eek out every millisecond? I will never condone suicide, but why can't we just enjoy our lives in the here and now with the meager pleasures we find, and if we exit a few years earlier so much the better for all around.
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Posted by: JohnJlws on Jul 1, 2009 6:35 PM
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America.
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We are bullied, imprisoned, or threatened with harm when we are "bad" producers and consumers. Then when our "usefulness" ends, we can expect to be encouraged to die or be killed.
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Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Jul 3, 2009 5:04 AM
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You neglect to mention that capitalism can employ only those whose work contributes to the accumulation of capital.
So, while there is a huge amount of work that needs doing, workers sicken and die because capitalism cannot employ them profitably.
Instead of finding ways to adapt to this insanity, we need to rebel against it.
Lay off capitalism, not workers!
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Posted by: NeedyBad on Jul 3, 2009 12:47 PM
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Then I came to Canada and took up a job as a Retail Manager ( allowing my children to pursue their education ). This lasted for a little more than a decade, until the retail corporation closed its doors. Later I took a job as a Lead hand in a manufacturing company and ended becoming the Procurement Manager cum Customer Service Manager cum Administration Liaison for the same manufacturer. AND THEN CAME THE LAY-OFF at the beginning of this year.
Bad economy. Global economic crisis. Manufacturing companies are downsizing. And the job market is bloating with skills assessment pockets and resume stars to tell me how to go about getting a job.
What is next ? The Government does not want to keep me on their Unemployment Payroll, so the plan is to ask me to take a look at a SECONDARY CAREER OPTION. My chances of finding employment ( not necessarily finding a job) is not guarantted, but it is a sound option.
Here is the deal: I am laid-off, do not have any health insurance coverage, finding financial insecurity with all the unstopable bills lurking in my mail-box, a bank tightening the grip on my mortgage payments, and my Retirement Savings Plan in shambles. Best of all, I AM KICKING THE BUCKET OVER 60 and fearfully watching for the moment when the bottom will fall off. Obesity is a registration on my health card. And so is high cholesterol. After all of this, am I now a casualty for living. Or is the mortician waiting to get a piece of me ? Well, well. Who knows. Rats live in America too.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 AM
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Most of us work to pay mortgages and (if lucky) have health insurance. So you have to question why mortgages and why health insurance?
Your mortgage payments go to a bank which had nothing to do with acquiring the land or building your house. The land was stolen and the builders have been paid and the bank has only acted as a broker, so why do they get to claim your house? Pre-2005, you would have been protected by bankruptcy laws. Funny how that's changed.
Robert Morris, the successful financier of the American Revolution, said that when money is involved things get complicated. You probably haven't heard of him because he ended up in prison and died penniless.
If we didn't have to pay mortgages and have health insurance, we could have much more enjoyable lives bartering and growing some food.
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Posted by: fmcevoy on Jul 1, 2009 2:08 AM
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When you're done with this life, there's a lot about it you're not going to miss.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 1, 2009 4:22 AM
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These social issues have very real and measurable human health impacts. This one is tragic.
But they are unvervalued and undestudied by the bio-medical industry.
NIOSH is the federal agency within the CDC that does research on what they call OOW = Organization of Work (google NIOSH) and OOW's impact on worker health and safety outcomes
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 AM
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According to this, I should be dead already. If I hadn't landed my current position (outside of the airlines), I might well be. I have little hope of retiring, having had to use 401K money to re-educate myself for a new career. I expect to work until I drop.
Welcome to the new American Dream.
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Posted by: Ellie1 on Jul 1, 2009 6:12 AM
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Jul 1, 2009 6:13 AM
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And yet I wish that my memories of growing up in a vastly different country than what exists now are too vivid and painful. There is another side to this: those of us who had children and now greatly regret, for their sakes, bringing them into a world where they see the twilight of what was but starkly stare into the gaping maw of what is to be. I hope they forgive us.
For decades they told us life would get better and better and we would one day live in some Jetsonslike utopia (or Disney's Futureworld). I think that collective shock to our consciousness is causing a great deal of mental and physical debilitation that I see.
If we didn't remember the past so vividly, perhaps the future would be less painful.
The other thing the article didn't touch on is the rising anger I see in many people over what is happening to their lives. With no outlet for this anger (street demonstrations in the USA are regarded as 'bad form' and the police now have carte blanche to beat anyone at will) we turn it inwards or on those closest to ourselves.
I asked the question many years ago which is now getting an answer: what happens when they offshore/export so many jobs that used to suppose so many Americans and their communities that the powers-that-be no longer have any use for our labor? Or our existence?
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Posted by: ellie on Jul 1, 2009 6:57 AM
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when people can't identify themselves according to their jobs anymore, american society sees it as failure... the job description or 'I' is removed and we don't' have a category for the person which makes them 'dangerous' or 'lazy' in the social system... causing more stress and alienation...
btw... news from the streets... last night a laid off major car manufacturer worker stabbed another guy almost to death because the other guy broke his home mop... yes, folks, attempted murder over a broken floor mop...
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jul 1, 2009 7:30 AM
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After decades of slogans like, "Our employees are our most valuable asset" and "We're all in this together", I no longer believe anything that I hear from an employer.
Today our government bails out multi-million dollar CEOs and their corrupt corporations, but does practically nothing for the millions of people hurt by their actions.
Labor laws are a joke that business just ignores. Unemployment benefits have gone nowhere in decades. Job opportunities were intentionally sent by government and big corporations overseas in their race to the bottom of the barrel. After 30 years of class warfare, there is no question which class has won.
Bush Lite Obama is no different. So far he's done nothing more than continue the corporate welfare policies of the past 30 years. No solutions for people being forced out of their homes. No solutions in health care. No solutions for jobs.
Welcome to America. No jobs, no financial security and no end to perpetual war.
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Last year was the first time in 22 years I have gone fishing. Now I take my kids on a regular basis. Perhaps work will pick up again...someday... maybe... Or not.
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A society is only as good as its members aspire and struggle to be; and one true measure of a society is how it treats its least fortunate members. In that regard, our society is already committing suicide on the installment plan.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 1, 2009 8:28 AM
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Furthermore, corporations have merged with government, which was basically Mussolini's definition of fascism:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini.
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Posted by: nantyglo22 on Jul 1, 2009 8:42 AM
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One problem is that there are too many people and not enough jobs. Another woe is companies who summarily jettison workers, thinking it will stir the economic pot but it can take months to find another one like myself, who's been unemployed for six months. My self-esteem is low and I don't see any of my friends anymore, because they can go out and I can't, so no one wants to be around someone who has no money. ("When you have money, you have lots of friends-" God Bless The Child)
Although that is temporary, it does have an effect on you. We cannot go through too much alone. No one sees us cry when the bank account is dry when you have no food in the kitchen and when you can't afford to get your car serviced. The emptiness is as vast as the Sahara.
It's akin to skating, but in this age the ice is thin, and we've fallen through a crack. But the crack is as wide as the universe, and desperate as we try to claw on its edge, the societal agencies designed to aid jobless workers have failed us. The water is frigid.
Is there any quick solution to this malaise? How can we get people back to work?
Yes, a "stimulus" is great, but it's not enough. But it's a start. Our attitudes toward work must change, too.
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM
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I was totally healthy during the 6 1/2 year period I was blacklisted.
No fumes, no dust except the woodstove, no chemicals to aggravate my asthma and allergies. No exposure to bacteria or illnesses, since I made money as a street vendor and did not purvey items desired by the ill, i.e. fast food, groceries, pharmaceuticals, gasoline.
Many working-class individuals work in hazardous conditions, and I believe this is largely responsible for the sex differential in longevity.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM
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The five stages of grief are well documented and I've been through them. I'm now at the final stage of acceptance and even a realization that there are some benefits to early retirement, even at a lower standard of living than might have been expected. There really can be a nice life after your job is over.
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Um, why do you think us fat people die earlier? Society helps kill us. This are risk factors in a great many situations.
What I don't get is how many people still obsess on longevity when the economic future is so bleak. If you are set good for you. Enjoy your posh senior condo or tooting around the country in your RV. But those of us no longer in denial things will get better, who have no IRAs, no grand savings account (and are too busy living paycheck to paycheck to get one) and no real hope SSI will be enough, why are we being forced to eek out every millisecond? I will never condone suicide, but why can't we just enjoy our lives in the here and now with the meager pleasures we find, and if we exit a few years earlier so much the better for all around.
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We are bullied, imprisoned, or threatened with harm when we are "bad" producers and consumers. Then when our "usefulness" ends, we can expect to be encouraged to die or be killed.
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Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Jul 3, 2009 5:04 AM
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You neglect to mention that capitalism can employ only those whose work contributes to the accumulation of capital.
So, while there is a huge amount of work that needs doing, workers sicken and die because capitalism cannot employ them profitably.
Instead of finding ways to adapt to this insanity, we need to rebel against it.
Lay off capitalism, not workers!
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Posted by: NeedyBad on Jul 3, 2009 12:47 PM
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Then I came to Canada and took up a job as a Retail Manager ( allowing my children to pursue their education ). This lasted for a little more than a decade, until the retail corporation closed its doors. Later I took a job as a Lead hand in a manufacturing company and ended becoming the Procurement Manager cum Customer Service Manager cum Administration Liaison for the same manufacturer. AND THEN CAME THE LAY-OFF at the beginning of this year.
Bad economy. Global economic crisis. Manufacturing companies are downsizing. And the job market is bloating with skills assessment pockets and resume stars to tell me how to go about getting a job.
What is next ? The Government does not want to keep me on their Unemployment Payroll, so the plan is to ask me to take a look at a SECONDARY CAREER OPTION. My chances of finding employment ( not necessarily finding a job) is not guarantted, but it is a sound option.
Here is the deal: I am laid-off, do not have any health insurance coverage, finding financial insecurity with all the unstopable bills lurking in my mail-box, a bank tightening the grip on my mortgage payments, and my Retirement Savings Plan in shambles. Best of all, I AM KICKING THE BUCKET OVER 60 and fearfully watching for the moment when the bottom will fall off. Obesity is a registration on my health card. And so is high cholesterol. After all of this, am I now a casualty for living. Or is the mortician waiting to get a piece of me ? Well, well. Who knows. Rats live in America too.
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