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I Would Likely Be Dead by Now if it Wasn't for One Thing ... Health Insurance

My own medical emergencies have made me more conscious of the scandal in our country when it comes to health care.
June 20, 2009  |  
 
 
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Editor’s Note: Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern underwent a successful medical procedure to open a clogged artery near his heart.

Dear family and friends,

At first I thought the BEFORE picture of the arteries around my heart may have been doctored. There it was big as life...or imminent death -- the circumflex artery was 90 to 99 percent blocked.

(Hadn’t heard “circumflex” since studying classical Greek. It’s what we called the mark placed over long vowels; and, sure enough, that artery had the same form as that mark.)

Turns out the picture was not doctored. But, happily, I was -- by an excellent cardiologist who performed a cardio catheterization and emplaced a stent to unclog the artery. The AFTER picture showed a far happier circumflex with blood flowing freely through it.

I have not tried it yet, but I'm looking forward now to walking up that big hill from the Metro station without the minor distress. That was the only symptom I had had....and only twice, and both times the distress went away quickly.

No pressure on chest, no trouble breathing, no sweating, no dizziness; no numbness in arm or elsewhere. Just some quickly passing discomfort.

I was "sure" enough that it was nothing serious that I know I would never have gone to the doctor, IF I DID NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

And so, by now I could well have been a heart attack victim -- and maybe dead -- IF I DID NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE ... which some 50 million of our brothers and sisters in this wealthy country DO NOT HAVE!

Medical insurance occupies part of my knapsack of unearned privilege, the knapsack about which I am barely conscious as it adheres to me like glue.

Perhaps it's my own medical emergencies over the past year and a half -- lymphoma in 2008, and then the almost-out-of-business artery -- that have made me more conscious of the scandal that our country does not treat all as "created equal" when it comes to access medical care. And I think this applies in spades to before-it-is-too-late diagnostic testing, without which illnesses like mine would have remained undiagnosed and untreated.

To be blunt about it: Whether from the relatively symptom-less lymphoma (only discovered when the tumor was the size of a large orange), or as a result of the "minor distress" blockage in my artery, I most likely would be dead now -- the only saving grace being that you wouldn't have to read this.

The lymphoma has been in remission for 10 months, and the oncologist -- in an atypical burst of guarded optimism -- has said it may even be cured! And if I regularly take the five heart-related prescriptions written for me on Tuesday, the stint should continue to do its work unstintingly, the circumflex and less circular arteries should keep the heart working, and I can die from something else!

This is my second wake-up call. (Thick Irishmen need at least two.) Maybe one needs to be affected in a personal way to gain some sense of what having no health insurance actually means.

I'm going to do all I can to promote single-payer health insurance as the only real way to get everyone covered, and urge you to do the same. Our son the doctor heartily agrees with the sizable majority of physicians who believe that single-payer is by far the best solution.

We're supposed to care about our brothers and sisters in this great country of ours, right?

No one should have to think twice before seeking needed medical help ... even after just one seemingly paltry symptom.

Thanks for your prayers and the good vibes you have sent along. Looks as if I’ll be around for a while more. Let's see if we can get medical insurance for ALL Americans.

In truth and justice,

Ray



Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. After serving as an Army infantry/intelligence officer, he spent a 27-year career as a CIA analyst. He is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).
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Poor health is a key component of the poverty cycle
Posted by: abstractedaway on Jun 20, 2009 12:38 AM   
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I have to second this article. We should also consider that there are a lot of people in our country who have what should be mild conditions, easily treated, but without health care are major impediments to success. Take ADHD for example: 8 million adults in America have it, and only 5% of those who have it and go untreated make it through college. That's just one example. Those who are fortunate enough to take their health care for granted rarely understand the real cycle of poverty.

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Bravo to Ray McGovern for promoting Single Payer healthcare
Posted by: Jay Randal on Jun 20, 2009 12:44 AM   
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Americans have to stand-up and demand Single Payer, otherwise Pres. Obama and the sold-out stooges in Congress will sell them out to the Medical Insurance Lobby. Be willing to take to the streets to force the government to pass real healthcare reform.

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limeyliberal
Posted by: NiceGuy on Jun 20, 2009 12:46 AM   
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I had the same heart procedure as Ray and take as much medication. I am a 64-year-old Brit and am four years older than Britain's publicly funded National Health Service. Throughout my life my medical problems -- and those of my family and millions of other families -- have been dealt with by the NHS. The procedures are as advanced as any in the world. Throughout my life I have never had to hand over a penny to a doctor or ever had to worry that I couldn't afford a hospital stay or operation. The nation's medical care is paid for out of general taxation. American conservatives can sneer at it as "socialized" medicine but it is a great system which benefits millions of people -- day in, day out.

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so true
Posted by: lalala on Jun 20, 2009 2:19 AM   
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we need universal health care for preventative care, and doctors visits before people end up the emergency room caught by surprise or worse. Politicians must recognize that its a life or death issue. Its crazy that we should have to convince anyone of this obvious fact. Health insurance or not, health care in this country is abysmal and most people have sub standard care even with insurance. i wish these lobbyists who are more concerned about their profits would get their head examined. They have no business being in the health business unless they want to help people.

I am lucky that you got the help you needed.

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A US Moral Failure
Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 20, 2009 3:34 AM   
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How did our nation- built on Judea-Christan values/ethics- ever get to a health care system that treats health care (human flesh and human souls) as a commodity in the marketplace?

Hard to fathum how we could have sunk so low among nations?

We need to correct this shamefull failure now.

Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Health Care
Posted by: aaweeble1 on Jun 20, 2009 4:39 AM   
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Just the thought of Government meddling with health care scares me. If it works, DONT fix it! Just let it be!

Riff
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NHS was great to me
Posted by: missmoon on Jun 20, 2009 5:52 AM   
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I lived in the UK for three years and had insurance immediately, I never paid a dime, I had a major surgery and saw my GP regularly. Being back in the country I had no insurance and had to pay over two hundred dollars for a brief physical. I could barely afford my medication. I now do have insurance through my partner but still marvel at the cost and the need to co-pay, deductibles ... etc.

I love the NHS and still carry my NHS card. Come on America, insurance for all!!!!!!

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The Fundamental Difference
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jun 20, 2009 6:08 AM   
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There are those of us truly believe that this country should try to guarantee everyone the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These people want a national health care policy that will protect people's lives and will allow them to pursue happiness.

There are others who truly believe that those who are not particularly prosperous or lucky should be further punished by not providing them these basic necessities. This is truly a fundamental difference in outlook and it is unlikely that Obama can find a satisfactory way to triangulate between them.

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pvaughan
Posted by: pvaughan on Jun 20, 2009 8:11 AM   
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Thanks Ray McGovern for your realism. We won't get a single payer system now. The people in power have too much at stake but that is the obvious answer to our health care problems. What I like about Mr. McGovern's statement is that he know that we are brothers and sisters. We are all in this together and the sooner we as a people begin to understand that the sooner we will start to solve this and the other issues we face. I am told that Churchill once said, Americans will always do the right thing but only after they have tried everything else first. Lets hope we can skip a few of the mistakes.

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I have "sort of" health insurance
Posted by: PaulK on Jun 20, 2009 8:58 AM   
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I get exercise. I stay away from trans-fats. I eat whole grains which have more vitamin E. I get enough potassium, magnesium and calcium. I don't have a dangerous occupation.

Oh, that part about going to a doctor! No, I don't have that part. I get my teeth cleaned at a student dental clinic, tho.

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No doubt about it. The first thing they ask is your insurance provider.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 20, 2009 9:22 AM   
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If I didn't have that card and man would I have to go through expense hell. I have kept my health and habits in order too but it's too bad Big Insurance would much rather invent "profits" excuse to justify reckless wrongdoing much like a dangerous driver on the highway having no regards for other drivers whose lives he/she could be endangering.

Single payer healthcare would be excellent but Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc ... are too busy ensuring themselves major defeat in 2010 and 2012 because like Billy Tauzin, I'm sure Big Insurance and/or Big Pharma has lucrative offers awaiting them.

First thing that must be done is uniting to ABOLISH THE CIA. Even if single payer passes, the funding is short but cutting down big time on Big Military spending which would including abolishing the CIA would go a long ways to actually ensuring true homeland security. Furthermore, as a defense contractor, I know very well that military spending means nothing to both the contractors and federal employees. As a true patriot, the true form of defending a nation is providing universal healthcare. It may not be written in the Constitution but neither is the CIA or DOD or for that matter Corporate America. The USA has been and still remains the biggest laughing stock in the world that spends recklessly and yet yields nothing in return except for the elites while most of the other industrial nations that carry universal healthcare and don't ban Cannabis are not too surprisingly doing great.

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Lucky
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 20, 2009 10:27 AM   
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Ray was quite lucky that his insurance didn't do as mine did after Retirement , When I first retired I selected the best coverage that allowed me to see any doctor I wanted rather than using an HMO or Preferred Provider . It reimbused me 90% after a relatively low deductible . Upon turning 65 Medicare became my primary payer and my own Insurance became a secondary payer . The best plan I can get now only pays 70& but since Medicare pays more the secondary plan pays ZIP, NADA ,ZERO until I reach an amount referred to as Maximum Out of Pocket . This amounts to 1,000 per person and 2,000 for the family .
I have often said that most people love their Health Insurance until the have to use it . It is ONLY then that the gaps show up.

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Katt
Posted by: kattmanduu on Jun 20, 2009 10:28 AM   
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Well Ray I have great respect for you and agree with most of what you write. I have a couple of questions about your insurance.
1. Is your "insurance" a private policy you purchased on your own or is it one you got from your government service?
2. Can a person on minimum wage afford your insurance policy and still be able to eat, pay the rent and all the utility bills?
It's safe to say that a majority of all the private for profit insurance companies only cover about 30% of the human body that doesn't
already have something wrong with it and still expect to be paid for all that non-coverage.
America needs a real national health care system like a majority of it's competitors in Europe have for all their citizens not just one that covers the rich and the over-paid.

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Just as long as Government doesn't run the program
Posted by: lsmart on Jun 20, 2009 11:12 AM   
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If Single Payer was handled by a non-governmental agency, I would feel much better.

Our VA hospitals are run by the government and they are filthy, sub-par and disgraceful.

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Morality
Posted by: willymack on Jun 20, 2009 11:15 AM   
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Is dead here in our nation.We like to beat our chests and loudly proclaim we're the moral light of the world, when, in fact we're a nation of ersatz moral indignation and mediocre morals:
We continue to ignore what promises to be an ecological catastrophe by resisting needed changes and denying there's a problem.
We're indifferent to the crying need for a more egalitarian and HUMANE society, preferring instead to do nothing and hope for the best.
Between forty and fifty MILLION people have NO health care coverage, yet there's no hue and cry, except from those pitifully few with the courage and moral outrage to speak out against it.
We let criminals disenfranchise us by stealing two elections, and doing NOTHING about it.
We continue to allow the brutal and illegal occupations of two innocent and helpless nations which benefits only the banksters, war profiteers and crooked politicians who enable the continuance of these crimes.
The neocons and rethug stooges ask where the money for universal health care will come, while at the same time, somehow find ten billion dollars a month for the Iraq and Afghanistan scams.
The criminals responsible for 911, ecological rape, two illegal "wars", treason, war crimes, and war profiteering have yet to be prosecuted and brought to justice.
All this has hapened and is happening with hardly a murmer from our morally dead people. Shame on us.

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SIGN THE PETITION
Posted by: photon's feather on Jun 20, 2009 12:24 PM   
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(Again, apologies for the caps: real "shout-out.")

Senator Bernie Sanders

Under Highlights, you can click on to hear a statement by Senator Sanders. (It's one of several.)

Under Recent Business (bottom left), click on the link to 'Sign the Petition.'

Date is 06/16/2009. It's already at the bottom of the list: if you wait too long, you'll have to use the Archives link.

After you've signed it, please forward it to as many people as possible.

I was directed to it through the most recent edition of the Bernie Buzz newsletter.
(You don't have to live in Vermont to sign up for it.)

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Be responsible for yourself
Posted by: Sgellero on Jun 20, 2009 2:19 PM   
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My kid's ( 25 yrs ) HSA Blue Cross of Colorado plan has 100% coverage after $1500 deductible.

Costs $115/month. About the same as your iPhone bill monthly. And it's IRREVOCABLE if premiums are paid.

Get your priorities straight

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BE RESPONSIBILE FOR YOURSELF IS CRAP. MY WIFE HAS LUPUS,
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 20, 2009 4:32 PM   
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fibromyalgia, and chronic fatigue. To buy assigned risk insurance for her would be greater than our income. Without public insurance she is locked in to die young. It is clear that you are a nasty, heartless, selfish person.

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Why wait for symptoms?
Posted by: Walt K on Jun 21, 2009 12:10 AM   
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If everyone had access to health care, they could get regular checkups and catch even more problems even earlier. And we could implement wellness care instead of having a system that pays out only for treating problems.

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Even if you've got health insurance
Posted by: lfish on Jun 21, 2009 1:47 AM   
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I've had health insurance all my life and I payed into the same company for more than 30 years. I never had a claim, but once I reached age 50, they tried everything in their power to push me out. I had a high deductable plan, but they raised my rates constantly. When I went to the doctor, they would call me on the phone asking panicked questions about everything I had said to him. Finally, when the rate got excessive, I tried to switch to an even higher deductable plan but they turned me down. As soon as they turned me down. Once your are rejected for any reason, you fall into a completely new category and then no other company would touch me.

After a while, I was afraid to go to the doctor for fear that he would find something and I would have nothing. The problem is that most people don't see this until they get old, sick or are self-employed. If you are young and health, you think the system is great. Profit-base health care is nightmare.

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ANALYZING AN "OBAM-ISM"
Posted by: reelman on Jun 26, 2009 9:27 AM   
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“Why would [a government plan] drive private insurance out of business?
If private insurers say that the marketplace provides the best quality health care; if they tell us that they’re offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can’t run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That’s not logical.”
–President Barack Obama, June 2009

CRAWFISH NOTE: First assumption…YOU are stupid. You don’t realize that the gov-meant never needs a profit like private insurers. You don’t realize the gov-meant is the #1 interference to a FREE marketplace. You don’t realize there is no reason for employers to keep private insurers when they can dumb all costs and such onto the gov-meant.

You don’t realize the promoters of national healthcare have not yet shown voters a single country model to brag about. You don’t realize the gov-meant track record underestimates by 300-500% most every big program so they can sell us more gov-meant.

You don’t realize that MediCare, MediCade and VA hospitals are the real models of gov-meant lies and substandard care. You don’t realize that the quoted “polls” are done by biased pole cats with weighted sampling. You don’t realize that there must be dozens of free or nearly free reforms completely, pursposefully ignored by gov-meant.

You don’t (yet) realize Obama, the strident radical secular socialist… is a convincing pathological liar…but you will learn that soon enough.

(Did I mention covering 12 million illegal aliens is hush hush?)

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Poor health is a key component of the poverty cycle
Posted by: abstractedaway on Jun 20, 2009 12:38 AM   
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I have to second this article. We should also consider that there are a lot of people in our country who have what should be mild conditions, easily treated, but without health care are major impediments to success. Take ADHD for example: 8 million adults in America have it, and only 5% of those who have it and go untreated make it through college. That's just one example. Those who are fortunate enough to take their health care for granted rarely understand the real cycle of poverty.

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Bravo to Ray McGovern for promoting Single Payer healthcare
Posted by: Jay Randal on Jun 20, 2009 12:44 AM   
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Americans have to stand-up and demand Single Payer, otherwise Pres. Obama and the sold-out stooges in Congress will sell them out to the Medical Insurance Lobby. Be willing to take to the streets to force the government to pass real healthcare reform.

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limeyliberal
Posted by: NiceGuy on Jun 20, 2009 12:46 AM   
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I had the same heart procedure as Ray and take as much medication. I am a 64-year-old Brit and am four years older than Britain's publicly funded National Health Service. Throughout my life my medical problems -- and those of my family and millions of other families -- have been dealt with by the NHS. The procedures are as advanced as any in the world. Throughout my life I have never had to hand over a penny to a doctor or ever had to worry that I couldn't afford a hospital stay or operation. The nation's medical care is paid for out of general taxation. American conservatives can sneer at it as "socialized" medicine but it is a great system which benefits millions of people -- day in, day out.

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so true
Posted by: lalala on Jun 20, 2009 2:19 AM   
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we need universal health care for preventative care, and doctors visits before people end up the emergency room caught by surprise or worse. Politicians must recognize that its a life or death issue. Its crazy that we should have to convince anyone of this obvious fact. Health insurance or not, health care in this country is abysmal and most people have sub standard care even with insurance. i wish these lobbyists who are more concerned about their profits would get their head examined. They have no business being in the health business unless they want to help people.

I am lucky that you got the help you needed.

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A US Moral Failure
Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 20, 2009 3:34 AM   
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How did our nation- built on Judea-Christan values/ethics- ever get to a health care system that treats health care (human flesh and human souls) as a commodity in the marketplace?

Hard to fathum how we could have sunk so low among nations?

We need to correct this shamefull failure now.

Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Health Care
Posted by: aaweeble1 on Jun 20, 2009 4:39 AM   
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Just the thought of Government meddling with health care scares me. If it works, DONT fix it! Just let it be!

Riff
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NHS was great to me
Posted by: missmoon on Jun 20, 2009 5:52 AM   
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I lived in the UK for three years and had insurance immediately, I never paid a dime, I had a major surgery and saw my GP regularly. Being back in the country I had no insurance and had to pay over two hundred dollars for a brief physical. I could barely afford my medication. I now do have insurance through my partner but still marvel at the cost and the need to co-pay, deductibles ... etc.

I love the NHS and still carry my NHS card. Come on America, insurance for all!!!!!!

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The Fundamental Difference
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jun 20, 2009 6:08 AM   
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There are those of us truly believe that this country should try to guarantee everyone the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These people want a national health care policy that will protect people's lives and will allow them to pursue happiness.

There are others who truly believe that those who are not particularly prosperous or lucky should be further punished by not providing them these basic necessities. This is truly a fundamental difference in outlook and it is unlikely that Obama can find a satisfactory way to triangulate between them.

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pvaughan
Posted by: pvaughan on Jun 20, 2009 8:11 AM   
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Thanks Ray McGovern for your realism. We won't get a single payer system now. The people in power have too much at stake but that is the obvious answer to our health care problems. What I like about Mr. McGovern's statement is that he know that we are brothers and sisters. We are all in this together and the sooner we as a people begin to understand that the sooner we will start to solve this and the other issues we face. I am told that Churchill once said, Americans will always do the right thing but only after they have tried everything else first. Lets hope we can skip a few of the mistakes.

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I have "sort of" health insurance
Posted by: PaulK on Jun 20, 2009 8:58 AM   
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I get exercise. I stay away from trans-fats. I eat whole grains which have more vitamin E. I get enough potassium, magnesium and calcium. I don't have a dangerous occupation.

Oh, that part about going to a doctor! No, I don't have that part. I get my teeth cleaned at a student dental clinic, tho.

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No doubt about it. The first thing they ask is your insurance provider.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 20, 2009 9:22 AM   
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If I didn't have that card and man would I have to go through expense hell. I have kept my health and habits in order too but it's too bad Big Insurance would much rather invent "profits" excuse to justify reckless wrongdoing much like a dangerous driver on the highway having no regards for other drivers whose lives he/she could be endangering.

Single payer healthcare would be excellent but Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc ... are too busy ensuring themselves major defeat in 2010 and 2012 because like Billy Tauzin, I'm sure Big Insurance and/or Big Pharma has lucrative offers awaiting them.

First thing that must be done is uniting to ABOLISH THE CIA. Even if single payer passes, the funding is short but cutting down big time on Big Military spending which would including abolishing the CIA would go a long ways to actually ensuring true homeland security. Furthermore, as a defense contractor, I know very well that military spending means nothing to both the contractors and federal employees. As a true patriot, the true form of defending a nation is providing universal healthcare. It may not be written in the Constitution but neither is the CIA or DOD or for that matter Corporate America. The USA has been and still remains the biggest laughing stock in the world that spends recklessly and yet yields nothing in return except for the elites while most of the other industrial nations that carry universal healthcare and don't ban Cannabis are not too surprisingly doing great.

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Lucky
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 20, 2009 10:27 AM   
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Ray was quite lucky that his insurance didn't do as mine did after Retirement , When I first retired I selected the best coverage that allowed me to see any doctor I wanted rather than using an HMO or Preferred Provider . It reimbused me 90% after a relatively low deductible . Upon turning 65 Medicare became my primary payer and my own Insurance became a secondary payer . The best plan I can get now only pays 70& but since Medicare pays more the secondary plan pays ZIP, NADA ,ZERO until I reach an amount referred to as Maximum Out of Pocket . This amounts to 1,000 per person and 2,000 for the family .
I have often said that most people love their Health Insurance until the have to use it . It is ONLY then that the gaps show up.

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Katt
Posted by: kattmanduu on Jun 20, 2009 10:28 AM   
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Well Ray I have great respect for you and agree with most of what you write. I have a couple of questions about your insurance.
1. Is your "insurance" a private policy you purchased on your own or is it one you got from your government service?
2. Can a person on minimum wage afford your insurance policy and still be able to eat, pay the rent and all the utility bills?
It's safe to say that a majority of all the private for profit insurance companies only cover about 30% of the human body that doesn't
already have something wrong with it and still expect to be paid for all that non-coverage.
America needs a real national health care system like a majority of it's competitors in Europe have for all their citizens not just one that covers the rich and the over-paid.

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Just as long as Government doesn't run the program
Posted by: lsmart on Jun 20, 2009 11:12 AM   
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If Single Payer was handled by a non-governmental agency, I would feel much better.

Our VA hospitals are run by the government and they are filthy, sub-par and disgraceful.

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Morality
Posted by: willymack on Jun 20, 2009 11:15 AM   
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Is dead here in our nation.We like to beat our chests and loudly proclaim we're the moral light of the world, when, in fact we're a nation of ersatz moral indignation and mediocre morals:
We continue to ignore what promises to be an ecological catastrophe by resisting needed changes and denying there's a problem.
We're indifferent to the crying need for a more egalitarian and HUMANE society, preferring instead to do nothing and hope for the best.
Between forty and fifty MILLION people have NO health care coverage, yet there's no hue and cry, except from those pitifully few with the courage and moral outrage to speak out against it.
We let criminals disenfranchise us by stealing two elections, and doing NOTHING about it.
We continue to allow the brutal and illegal occupations of two innocent and helpless nations which benefits only the banksters, war profiteers and crooked politicians who enable the continuance of these crimes.
The neocons and rethug stooges ask where the money for universal health care will come, while at the same time, somehow find ten billion dollars a month for the Iraq and Afghanistan scams.
The criminals responsible for 911, ecological rape, two illegal "wars", treason, war crimes, and war profiteering have yet to be prosecuted and brought to justice.
All this has hapened and is happening with hardly a murmer from our morally dead people. Shame on us.

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SIGN THE PETITION
Posted by: photon's feather on Jun 20, 2009 12:24 PM   
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(Again, apologies for the caps: real "shout-out.")

Senator Bernie Sanders

Under Highlights, you can click on to hear a statement by Senator Sanders. (It's one of several.)

Under Recent Business (bottom left), click on the link to 'Sign the Petition.'

Date is 06/16/2009. It's already at the bottom of the list: if you wait too long, you'll have to use the Archives link.

After you've signed it, please forward it to as many people as possible.

I was directed to it through the most recent edition of the Bernie Buzz newsletter.
(You don't have to live in Vermont to sign up for it.)

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Be responsible for yourself
Posted by: Sgellero on Jun 20, 2009 2:19 PM   
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My kid's ( 25 yrs ) HSA Blue Cross of Colorado plan has 100% coverage after $1500 deductible.

Costs $115/month. About the same as your iPhone bill monthly. And it's IRREVOCABLE if premiums are paid.

Get your priorities straight

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BE RESPONSIBILE FOR YOURSELF IS CRAP. MY WIFE HAS LUPUS,
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 20, 2009 4:32 PM   
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fibromyalgia, and chronic fatigue. To buy assigned risk insurance for her would be greater than our income. Without public insurance she is locked in to die young. It is clear that you are a nasty, heartless, selfish person.

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Why wait for symptoms?
Posted by: Walt K on Jun 21, 2009 12:10 AM   
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If everyone had access to health care, they could get regular checkups and catch even more problems even earlier. And we could implement wellness care instead of having a system that pays out only for treating problems.

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Even if you've got health insurance
Posted by: lfish on Jun 21, 2009 1:47 AM   
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I've had health insurance all my life and I payed into the same company for more than 30 years. I never had a claim, but once I reached age 50, they tried everything in their power to push me out. I had a high deductable plan, but they raised my rates constantly. When I went to the doctor, they would call me on the phone asking panicked questions about everything I had said to him. Finally, when the rate got excessive, I tried to switch to an even higher deductable plan but they turned me down. As soon as they turned me down. Once your are rejected for any reason, you fall into a completely new category and then no other company would touch me.

After a while, I was afraid to go to the doctor for fear that he would find something and I would have nothing. The problem is that most people don't see this until they get old, sick or are self-employed. If you are young and health, you think the system is great. Profit-base health care is nightmare.

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ANALYZING AN "OBAM-ISM"
Posted by: reelman on Jun 26, 2009 9:27 AM   
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“Why would [a government plan] drive private insurance out of business?
If private insurers say that the marketplace provides the best quality health care; if they tell us that they’re offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can’t run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That’s not logical.”
–President Barack Obama, June 2009

CRAWFISH NOTE: First assumption…YOU are stupid. You don’t realize that the gov-meant never needs a profit like private insurers. You don’t realize the gov-meant is the #1 interference to a FREE marketplace. You don’t realize there is no reason for employers to keep private insurers when they can dumb all costs and such onto the gov-meant.

You don’t realize the promoters of national healthcare have not yet shown voters a single country model to brag about. You don’t realize the gov-meant track record underestimates by 300-500% most every big program so they can sell us more gov-meant.

You don’t realize that MediCare, MediCade and VA hospitals are the real models of gov-meant lies and substandard care. You don’t realize that the quoted “polls” are done by biased pole cats with weighted sampling. You don’t realize that there must be dozens of free or nearly free reforms completely, pursposefully ignored by gov-meant.

You don’t (yet) realize Obama, the strident radical secular socialist… is a convincing pathological liar…but you will learn that soon enough.

(Did I mention covering 12 million illegal aliens is hush hush?)

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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