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Warning: Health Care Lobbyists Are Winning the Battle to Screw All of Us
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WASHINGTON -- You can't get there from here. Not if there is defined as health insurance coverage for everyone in the United States, lower costs for the millions of insured who are being crushed by its price, and relief for employers who are burdened by an expense many wish they could wipe off their books. And not if here is where the health insurance political debate is stuck.
At the moment, Republicans are gleeful and Democrats glum because of a Congressional Budget Office analysis -- based on an incomplete and early draft of what is likely to be the most liberal-leaning health care proposal to emerge from the Senate -- that shows the measure just won't get the job done. The budget office says the partial draft put together mainly by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., would reduce the number of uninsured by only about 16 million (out of upwards of 47 million) and cost about $1 trillion over the next decade. That's very little bang for a lot of bucks. But no one should be surprised at either number. For starters, candidate Barack Obama never ran on a platform to provide universal coverage. Of course he always said -- then and now -- that his goal is to cover everyone. But he has never put forward a concrete proposal for doing so, and hasn't endorsed a firm mandate that everyone purchase insurance. Remember those primary-season debates in which rivals Hillary Clinton and John Edwards criticized him for this? Attention should have been paid.
Now President Obama has left the legislative "details," as the White House likes to call them, to our esteemed lawmakers on Capitol Hill. This has fed an every-member-for-himself mentality, an instinct that needs no nourishment. Lawmakers of every political leaning are putting forward their own ideas, none of them as tough-minded or comprehensive as a single administration-initiated proposal might have been. Why? Because senators and members of the House represent discrete districts that are driven by their own local and political imperatives. They don't represent the country as a whole -- nor, when the subject is as complicated and has so many regional differences as health care, should we expect them to.
The result is a raft of proposals that are patch-and-fill jobs on the current system -- a system that pretty much everyone believes is crumbling to the point of collapse. This is an odd way to begin a major reconstruction project.
No one has seriously proposed concrete cost controls such as discount purchasing of prescription drugs by a government entity, which would demonstrably cut costs. In fact, the initial CBO analysis that my fellow liberals are so upset about shows not cost savings but a great deal of cost-shifting: The government would save money it now uses to subsidize tax-free insurance premiums, because some employees would drop workplace plans and purchase insurance through a new "exchange." But this savings would only partially offset the cost of providing subsidies to those who can't afford to purchase a policy outright. Meanwhile, the private insurance industry would continue to be the chief source of coverage -- and the only one, if the industry gets its way and Democrats produce legislation that does not create a public insurance plan as one purchase option.
Advocates of a single, national insurance system that would involve explicit cost controls and guidelines for care -- that might put an end to such wasteful practices as over-testing -- have been shunted aside. This is in part because Democrats quiver when Republicans call them "socialists." But Republicans cry "socialist" even when Democrats promote weak reforms that barely nick the vested interests. That's what's happening now. No one has seriously proposed an overhaul that would achieve what a single-payer system has been shown to accomplish in most other countries: universal coverage with lower costs that delivers better results than we now get in the United States.
Instead, Democrats have all but abandoned the idea that everyone be covered without exception. They've so far avoided endorsing clear cost-containment measures that would pass the budget-scorers' test of legitimacy. The wished-for savings that Obama says he wants the private insurance industry to achieve are exactly that -- wishes. The winners so far are health-industry lobbyists. They sense that their chances of protecting the interests of big insurers, drug companies, medical specialties, technology companies and the like are improving every day. They're probably right.
Marie Cocco's e-mail address is mariecocco(at)washpost.com.
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Posted by: whoopingcrone on Jun 18, 2009 3:17 AM
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1. the cost of mental health care would be covered.
2. those among us who suffer from fear-inspired antipathy and cynicism could learn non-destructive ways of feeling okay about themselves, if they chose
3. you could join them, at no extra cost
metta
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» Excellent, but...
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» We all paying for uninsured care now
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Jun 18, 2009 4:24 AM
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But even selfish, amoral punks would benefit from a national single-payer plan. It would simply save you money.
You'd be paying the government instead of some greedy business man, but if you factor all the money that you currently pay for health care (or if you're young and healthy, the money you will eventually pay) under the current system, you will save significantly under a single-payer plan.
And the good news is, that since most single-payer plans I've seen bandied about only socialize the insurance and not the entire system, you still get to choose any health care provider you like -- which is also an improvement over most private plans we have today.
So to sum up. It will be cheaper and you'll have more choice. And for those with a moral conscience it will also provide health care for everyone.
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Posted by: WakeUpHadEnough? on Jun 18, 2009 4:46 AM
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If you're a libetarian, you should be outraged by this. If you're an anarchist, then you probably live by yourself in a cabin and are off the grid all together.
No, I think it's more important for you to rail against "the other" (welfare trash) and blame the country's woes on someone else.
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» RE: Probably his employer pays for his coverage. Or he's a Ins. industry shill!
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Posted by: DJC11 on Jun 18, 2009 5:23 AM
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Posted by: widdydupree on Jun 18, 2009 5:26 AM
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Nihilist, here's how you would benefit: As of now, uninsured people who are sick or injured are shipped to the ER at the nearest (taxpayer-funded) public hospital. The ER's are required by law to provide treatment for these people; but bear in mind that emergency care costs 2-3 times what it would cost to be treated at the doctor's office for, say, a sprained wrist, or case of flu, whatever. If the playing field were leveled, so to speak, and drug companies, for example, could no longer charge at a 500% profit margin, then yes, you'd still be buying health care for "welfare kids", but at a greatly reduced price. So, your pocket would actually benefit from this reform. Not to mention that, somewhere, somehow, some uninsured someone that you might actually come to care about might be saved!
But Nihilist, I'm still trying to figure out what your camera has to do with health care...
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Posted by: herronsmith on Jun 18, 2009 6:28 AM
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the_case_for_universal_health_care_in_the_united_states.htm
Generally I would leave this for anyone to research for themselves. I am disgusted with folks who spew vitriol but are either too lazy or ignorant to find answers on their own. I am breaking my rule since I believe this article is fairly complete with arguments for single-payer.
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Posted by: james108 on Jun 18, 2009 6:38 AM
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With single payer, the rational for cost shifting, which is where hospitals and providers are allowed to overcharge, with no real accountability, for money they say they lost due to uninsured and underpaying clients, is simply not there.
People will not be in a situation where they cannot even afford the drugs their tax dollars helped produce, test and market, but that's another discussion maybe.
Has any single payer system cost anything near what we're paying now? Granted, we don't have to take the Canadian model and can do much better than that, if we could get rid of the democrat and republican's monopoly of the national political discussion on the subject. I'm reminded of the election, where the only figures and proposals allowed in the debates were the democratic and republican inferior ones. Somehow, none of the 4 other main candidates proposing withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and many of the other troops policing the world, establishing a balanced approach with the help of the Palestinian and Israeli peace moments, getting rid of FISA and the Patriot Act and making the government accountable to the people, requiring truthful disclosure of our reasons for war, and many other things were not even allowed into the national debate. We're not much different from Iran, in terms of stifled debate, at least in the government, where only democratic or republican "solutions" seem to be up for discussions.
Why not establish a bare minimum of what we consider essential services, see what that would cost versus what we're paying, and go from there?
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Posted by: richholland on Jun 18, 2009 7:13 AM
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but nearly everything covered.
the system is a combi of state quarantee and competing companies.
preexisting conditions are no reason to exclede.
health care shouldnt be a profit vehicle.
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Posted by: sliver on Jun 18, 2009 8:09 AM
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Posted by: cberkland on Jun 18, 2009 8:34 AM
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Out of curiosity, I have a question for you. I'm not religious at all but wondering if you are, particularly a Christian. I'm asking because it's not that infrequent that who I hear such selfishness from ironically enough call themselves Christian. However, Jesus taught compassion, forgiveness, empathy, etc. If you have any thoughts on that, I'd love to hear them.
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» Ok, so you're not a Jesus freak, ...
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» RE: So piss off;you've got nothing to say to the rest of us!
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Posted by: clthompson on Jun 18, 2009 8:46 AM
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My sister works in a doctor's office. She works long and hard hours and has a terrific work ethic. She is hardly a welfare recipient. Even with her insurance, though, she can not pay the 20% of her bills from the Cancer she contracted last year. Not only does she have Cancer, now she has to worry about claiming bankruptcy as she works 40 long and hard hours a week while taking chemotherapy which makes her miserable. My sister is not alone. There are millions like her who work hard, but are devastated when illness actually does come.
Don't tout that ugly canard that "we have the best medical care in the world." We do not. Maybe for the super rich we do, but for average people, medical care is pitiful. We have the lowest health measures on multiple issues: longevity, infant mortality, general health, than any other so-called first world country. That includes you, I suspect, unless you are fabulously wealthy. Perhaps health care reform would improve health care so that we can begin to reclaim our place at the top of the health care pinnacle in the world.
The lobbyists for the drug companies, AMA, and insurance agencies are getting rich off of your back. That's what's in it for you.
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Posted by: progressive-life on Jun 18, 2009 9:35 AM
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right now the "unisnsured" can get medical treatment at any hospital. They may wait in the emrgency room for hours unless they have an actual emergency. But under Obamainsurance they'll wait months to get in, if at all!.
Now the patient files for a charity case with the state..most if not all poor qualify and the state picks up the tab. Now, the "state" is really us..so we pick up the tab and its more expensive than what an insurer would agree to pay - we know how incompetent and wasteful government programs can be.
So under Obama , the government will only pay those participating docs and hospitals a certain (lower) amount, AND considering how long it takes a person to get an appointment under government insurance with less doc participating you have to figure they'd be healed BEFORE they ever get to ses a doc, hence NO COST!!!!!!
Ingenious!!!!!!
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Posted by: mattylou on Jun 18, 2009 9:37 AM
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» RE: Show me how I would benefit from single payer health coverage.
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Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jun 18, 2009 11:04 AM
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More spin to keep us dazed and confused.
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Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jun 18, 2009 11:07 AM
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Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Jun 18, 2009 12:28 PM
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» Don't get distracted. It's really rude,...
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Posted by: judette on Jun 18, 2009 2:46 PM
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Posted by: freelyb on Jun 18, 2009 11:36 PM
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Posted by: Cameo on Jun 19, 2009 12:22 PM
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 18, 2009 3:09 AM
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Here is my forecast. Meaningful healthcare reform will happen in 2009 and will include a public health option. This will be the gateway to someday single payer.
The President- recognizing that Congress is weak- will use his high popularity and power of personality to get reform accomplished.
Also Peter Orszag- head of OMB- and others who have Obama's ear know that health care reform is central to our nation's long term economic well being.
The public health option plan will contain provisions that will put an end to the excessive greed of the for profit vested interests- most notably Big PhRMA and Big Insurance who are "on the ropes" already.They know it.
There will be many justifiable economic losers but Obama will get a plan where the real winners will be all American health care consumers
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» RE: TOO PESSIMISTIC
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» SOMEDAY singlepayer?
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» Too optimistic
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» Well, Doc
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» RE: TOO PESSIMISTIC
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» RE: TOO PESSIMISTIC
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Posted by: Moonray on Jun 18, 2009 4:44 AM
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After a terrific presidential campaign and a large amount of political tap-dancing, many "reform" efforts will be undertaken (sort of), but none really any threat to the status quo. That's the way our system works. The two-party system was co-opted by multinational corporations decades ago and ever since Congress has been kind of a political theater troupe. Obama just happens to be the hot new star of the moment.
Reforms will be strangled in their cradle by right-wing groups that will flood the TV and radio networks with misleading ads. Arms will be twisted in Congress. Lots of money will change hands, some of it by electronic transfers to obscure offshore banks. And gradually Obama will emerge as an impotent idealist, like Jimmy Carter; or a reckless letch, like Bill Clinton (if that can be arranged) or as just a political curiosity, like Gerald Ford. But four years from now -- or eight, if Obama becomes an obedient servant of the financial-military-industrial complex -- America will return to the slimy embrace of the Republican Party, hardly aware that we ever left.
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» Terrific post.
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» We need new blood...
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Posted by: bthespoon on Jun 18, 2009 4:45 AM
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Ignore dicks.
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Posted by: bthespoon on Jun 18, 2009 5:06 AM
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We're so screwed. Fascist Capitalism is what we have, and our choice is between Tweedle Dum or Dee. Tweedle Dum doesn't have a clue, and Tweedle Dee knows what needs to be done but refuses to do so for "practical" reasons.
We've got Barack "Tweedle Dee" Obama in charge....yay.
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» RE: We need another FDR NOW, more than ever
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Posted by: widdydupree on Jun 18, 2009 5:14 AM
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Nihilist, here's how you would benefit: As of now, uninsured people who are sick and injured are shipped to the ER at the nearest (taxpayer-funded) public hospital. The ER's are required by law to provide treatment for these people; but bear in mind that emergency care costs 2-3 times what it would cost to be treated at the doctor's office for, say, a sprained wrist, or case of flu, whatever. If the playing field were leveled, so to speak, and drug companies, for example, could no longer charge at a 500% profit margin, then yes, you'd still be buying health care for "welfare kids", but at a greatly reduced price. So, your pocket would actually benefit from this reform. Not to mention that, somewhere, somehow, some uninsured someone you might actually come to care about might be saved!
But Nihilist, I'm still trying to figure out what your camera has to do with health care...
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» Medicare admin costs = 3%, private insurers costs = 30%, duh!!!
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Posted by: Triton on Jun 18, 2009 6:27 AM
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"In Iran all pretentions of popular will are thrown by the wayside."
This is exactly the same situation which exists in the Senate of the United States. With regard to single payer health care, what makes our government any different than that of Iran?
In many ways the efforts of the CIA to destabilize the government of Iran resemble the efforts of corporate American to destabilize our own government.
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» Absolutely!
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Posted by: thekidde on Jun 18, 2009 6:35 AM
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» RE: No compromise - single payer now. Fuck the insurance rip-offs and
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» Okay
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 18, 2009 7:39 AM
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini.
Wake-up, sheeple!
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» RE: This goddamned corptocracy is killing us!
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 18, 2009 8:11 AM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 18, 2009 8:36 AM
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. . . . .
This is not leadership, Obama, this is "followship"; the same old "pass the buck" and political maneuvering most of us wanted the "Change You Can Believe In" administration to leave behind. And we need concrete to anchor all those pretty ballons that were floated in front of us during the campaign; that is, if we don't want to watch the future for ourselves and the American Dream float away with them.
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» RE: The devil (or the promise) is IN the "details."
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Jun 18, 2009 9:57 AM
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Insurance, out of business. HMO's, out of business. Government, no choice but to go to the same system that works well in every other country or we go bankrupt. Drug companies, forced into price controls. Wars, can't afford them any more and our troops get to come home where they belong.
I say, let the games begin. Let's play.
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» Fantastic Idea, But...
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» Sounds good, but...
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» Exactly
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» RE: Sounds good, but...
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» RE: Sounds good, but...
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» No. I didn't think you'd have a reply...
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 18, 2009 11:58 AM
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Lesse now; that'd mean that our elected oficials are part of the PROBLEM, and not part of the solution, right?
Why didn't anybody tell me? (as if it'd do any good).
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» Not really
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Posted by: susanhathaway on Jun 18, 2009 2:52 PM
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Unless Obama puts aside his reluctance to go against his corporate idols and instead calls strongly for a public option, we have zero chance of seeing that public option in the final legislation. In other words, we're screwed.
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Posted by: leighsure on Jun 18, 2009 3:40 PM
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GENERAL STRIKE.
For the cynical: how do you know until you've tried? It works elsewhere in the world under governments with less of a democratic tradition.
If enough people start TALKING about this as a consequence of legislative failure, it might persuade Senators and Reps that we are FUCKIN' SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: james108 on Jun 18, 2009 5:05 PM
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Physicians for a National Health Program claims to have more than 16 thousand members.
How many people voted for Nader or the Green Party? You know they were all for single payer.
How many uninsured are there that won't be helped by the democrats most rosy projections, and we've known them to fudge the numbers in their favor.
How many people will lose their existing coverage as the democrats tax and tax to pay for this wasteful proposal?
And I'm not even thinking of the conservatives that may want a real explanation of the cost shifting tax they're paying, what they're paying now in outright taxes to the under insured, and what would happen if fate twisted just a little. In other words, there may be conservatives that can do the math and are not morally resistant to helping others if it helps themselves.
This should be part of the national political discussion, and one of our options.
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Posted by: robbrian on Jun 23, 2009 6:06 AM
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With Obama playing both ends toward the middle and placing the burden of "real" leadership on a hapless Congress, intelligent citizens, who in the majority, want a public health care option can just kiss their majority goodbye.
Obama does not care since he is the acolyte of the financial masters of the universe. He must appear to be our leader, not actually lead. Since we have no majority amongst elected officials, and there is no fortitude in the White House, it is our responsiblility to obtain what we the majority claim to be our due.
We are not strangers to demonstrating our will by marching in the streets, filling the National Mall, jamming the Halls of Congress, or getting out the vote to replace those who look down their noses at we the majority.
Over the next four months, July-October, you will see massive amounts of money thrown at elected officials, coupled with unrestrained MSM spewing misinformation about the pro's and cons' of a public health care option.
What you will need to do is stay linked to your computer to visit sites like www.Globalresearch.com, www.Alternet.com, www.huffingtonpost.com, www.politico.com and many other reliable cyberspace investigators of reality and unvarnished reporting on those who shirk their responsibility by ignoring the majority.
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