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The Wholesale Sedation of America's Youth
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In the winter of 2000, the Journal of the American Medical Association published the results of a study indicating that 200,000 two- to four-year-olds had been prescribed Ritalin for an "attention disorder" from 1991 to 1995. Judging by the response, the image of hundreds of thousands of mothers grinding up stimulants to put into the sippy cups of their preschoolers was apparently not a pretty one.
Most national magazines and newspapers covered the story; some even expressed dismay or outrage at this exacerbation of what already seemed like a juggernaut of hyper-medicalizing childhood. The public reaction, however, was tame; the medical community, after a moment's pause, continued unfazed. Today, the total toddler count is well past one million, and influential psychiatrists have insisted that mental health prescriptions are appropriate for children as young as twelve months. For the pharmaceutical companies, this is progress.
In 1995, 2,357,833 children were diagnosed with ADHD (Woodwell 1997) -- twice the number diagnosed in 1990. By 1999, 3.4 percent of all American children had received a stimulant prescription for an attention disorder. Today, that number is closer to ten percent. Stimulants aren't the only drugs being given out like candy to our children. A variety of other psychotropics like antidepressants, antipsychotics, and sedatives are finding their way into babies' medicine cabinets in large numbers. In fact, the worldwide market for these drugs is growing at a rate of ten percent a year, $20.7 billion in sales of antipsychotics alone (for 2007, IMSHealth 2008).
While the sheer volume of psychotropics being prescribed for children might, in and of itself, produce alarm, there has not been a substantial backlash against drug use in large part because of the widespread perception that "medically authorized" drugs must be safe. Yet, there is considerable evidence that psychoactive drugs do not take second place to other controlled pharmaceuticals in carrying grave and substantial risks. All classes of psychoactive drugs are associated with patient deaths, and each produces serious side effects, some of which are life-threatening.
In 2005, researchers analyzed data from 250,000 patients in the Netherlands and concluded that "we can be reasonably sure that antipsychotics are associated in something like a threefold increase in sudden cardiac death, and perhaps that older antipsychotics may be worse" (Straus et al. 2004). In 2007, the FDA chose to beef up its black box warning (reserved for substances that represent the most serious danger to the public) against antidepressants concluding, "the trend across age groups toward an association between antidepressants and suicidality . . . was convincing, particularly when superimposed on earlier analyses of data on adolescents from randomized, controlled trials" (Friedman and Leon 2007). Antidepressants have been banned for use with children in the UK since 2003. According to a confidential FDA report, prolonged administration of amphetamines (the standard treatment for ADD and ADHD) "may lead to drug dependence and must be avoided." They further reported that "misuse of amphetamine may cause sudden death and serious cardiovascular adverse events" (Food and Drug Administration 2005). The risk of fatal toxicity from lithium carbonate, a not uncommon treatment for bipolar disorder, has been well documented since the 1950s. Incidents of fatal seizures from sedative-hypnotics, especially when mixed with alcohol, have been recorded since the 1920s.
Psychotropics carry nonfatal risks as well. Physical dependence and severe withdrawal symptoms are associated with virtually all psychoactive drugs. Psychological addiction is axiomatic. Concomitant side effects range from unpleasant to devastating, including: insulin resistance, narcolepsy, tardive dyskenisia (a movement disorder affecting 15–20 percent of antipsychotic patients where there are uncontrolled facial movements and sometimes jerking or twisting movements of other body parts), agranulocytosis (a reduction in white blood cells, which is life threatening), accelerated appetite, vomiting, allergic reactions, uncontrolled blinking, slurred speech, diabetes, balance irregularities, irregular heartbeat, chest pain, sleep disorders, fever, and severe headaches. The attempt to control these side effects has resulted in many children taking as many as eight additional drugs every day, but in many cases, this has only compounded the problem. Each "helper" drug produces unwanted side effects of its own.
The child drug market has also spawned a vigorous black market in high schools and colleges, particularly for stimulants. Students have learned to fake the symptoms of ADD in order to obtain amphetamine prescriptions that are subsequently sold to fellow students. Such "shopping" for prescription drugs has even spawned a new verb. The practice is commonly called "pharming." A 2005 report from the Partnership for a Drug Free America, based on a survey of more than 7,300 teenagers, found one in ten teenagers, or 2.3 million young people, had tried prescription stimulants without a doctor's order, and 29 percent of those surveyed said they had close friends who have abused prescription stimulants.
In a larger sense, the whole undertaking has had the disturbing effect of making drug use an accepted part of childhood. Few cultures anywhere on earth and anytime in the past have been so willing to provide stimulants and sedative-hypnotics to their offspring, especially at such tender ages. An entire generation of young people has been brought up to believe that drug-seeking behavior is both rational and respectable and that most psychological problems have a pharmacological solution. With the ubiquity of psychotropics, children now have the means, opportunity, example, and encouragement to develop a lifelong habit of self-medicating.
Common population estimates include at least eight million children, ages two to eighteen, receiving prescriptions for ADD, ADHD, bipolar disorder, autism, simple depression, schizophrenia, and the dozens of other disorders now included in psychiatric classification manuals. Yet sixty years ago, it was virtually impossible for a child to be considered mentally ill. The first diagnostic manual published by American psychiatrists in 1952, DSM-I, included among its 106 diagnoses only one for a child: Adjustment Reaction of Childhood/Adolescence. The other 105 diagnoses were specifically for adults. The number of children actually diagnosed with a mental disorder in the early 1950s would hardly move today's needle. There were, at most, 7,500 children in various settings who were believed to be mentally ill at that time, and most of these had explicit neurological symptoms.
Of course, if there really are one thousand times as many kids with authentic mental disorders now as there were fifty years ago, then the explosion in drug prescriptions in the years since only indicates an appropriate medical response to a newly recognized pandemic, but there are other possible explanations for this meteoric rise. The last fifty years has seen significant social changes, many with a profound effect on children. Burgeoning birth rates, the decline of the extended family, widespread divorce, changing sexual and social mores, households with two working parents -- it is fair to say that the whole fabric of life took on new dimensions in the last half century. The legal drug culture, too, became an omnipresent adjunct to daily existence. Stimulants, analgesics, sedatives, decongestants, penicillins, statins, diuretics, antibiotics, and a host of others soon found their way into every bathroom cabinet, while children became frequent visitors to the family physician for drugs and vaccines that we now believe are vital to our health and happiness. There is also the looming motive of money. The New York Times reported in 2005 that physicians who had received substantial payments from pharmaceutical companies were five times more likely to prescribe a drug regimen to a child than those who had refused such payments.
So other factors may well have contributed to the upsurge in psychiatric diagnoses over the past fifty years. But even if the increase reflects an authentic epidemic of mental health problems in our children, it is not certain that medication has ever been the right way to handle it. The medical "disease" model is one approach to understanding these behaviors, but there are others, including a hastily discarded psychodynamic model that had a good record of effective symptom relief. Alternative, less invasive treatments, too, like nutritional treatments, early intervention, and teacher and parent training programs were found to be at least as effective as medication in long-term reduction of a variety of symptoms (of ADHD, The MTA Cooperative Group 1999).
Nevertheless, the medical-pharmaceutical alliance has largely shrugged off other approaches and scoffed at the potential for conflicts of interest and continues to medicate children in ever-increasing numbers. With the proportion of diagnosed kids growing every month, it may be time to take another look at the practice and soberly reflect on whether we want to continue down this path. In that spirit, it is not unreasonable to ask whether this exponential expansion in medicating children has another explanation altogether. What if children are the same as they always were? After all, virtually every symptom now thought of as diagnostic was once an aspect of temperament or character. We may not have liked it when a child was sluggish, hyperactive, moody, fragile, or pestering, but we didn't ask his parents to medicate him with powerful chemicals either. What if there is no such thing as mental illness in children (except the small, chronic, often neurological minority we once recognized)? What if it is only our perception of childhood that has changed? To answer this, we must look at our history and at our nature.
The human inclination to use psychoactive substances predates civilization. Alcohol has been found in late Stone Age jugs; beer may have been fermented before the invention of bread. Nicotine metabolites have been found in ancient human remains and in pipes in the Near East and Africa. Knowledge of Hul Gil, the "joy plant," was passed from the Sumerians, in the fifth millennium b.c.e., to the Assyrians, then in serial order to the Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Indians, then to the Portuguese who would introduce it to the Chinese, who grew it and traded it back to the Europeans. Hul Gil was the Sumerian name for the opium poppy. Before the Middle Ages, economies were established around opium, and wars were fought to protect avenues of supply.
With the modern science of chemistry in the nineteenth century, new synthetic substances were developed that shared many of the same desirable qualities as the more traditional sedatives and stimulants. The first modern drugs were barbiturates -- a class of 2,500 sedative/hypnotics that were first synthesized in 1864. Barbiturates became very popular in the U.S. for depression and insomnia, especially after the temperance movement resulted in draconian anti-drug legislation (most notoriously Prohibition) just after World War I. But variety was limited and fears of death by convulsion and the Winthrop drug-scare kept barbiturates from more general distribution.
Stimulants, typically caffeine and nicotine, were already ubiquitous in the first half of the twentieth century, but more potent varieties would have to wait until amphetamines came into widespread use in the 1930s. Amphetamines were not widely known until the 1920s and 1930s when they were first used to treat asthma, hay fever, and the common cold. In 1932, the Benzedrine Inhaler was introduced to the market and was a huge over-the-counter success. With the introduction of Dexedrine in the form of small, cheap pills, amphetamines were prescribed for depression, Parkinson's disease, epilepsy, motion sickness, night-blindness, obesity, narcolepsy, impotence, apathy, and, of course, hyperactivity in children.
Amphetamines came into still wider use during World War II, when they were given out freely to GIs for fatigue. When the GIs returned home, they brought their appetite for stimulants to their family physicians. By 1962, Americans were ingesting the equivalent of forty-three ten-milligram doses of amphetamine per person annually (according to FDA manufacturer surveys).
Still, in the 1950s, the family physician's involvement in furnishing psychoactive medications for the treatment of primarily psychological complaints was largely sub rosa. It became far more widespread and notorious in the 1960s. There were two reasons for this. First, a new, safer class of sedative hypnotics, the benzodiazepines, including Librium and Valium, were an instant sensation, especially among housewives who called them "mothers' helpers." Second, amphetamines had finally been approved for use with children (their use up to that point had been "off-label," meaning that they were prescribed despite the lack of FDA authorization).
Pharmaceutical companies, coincidentally, became more aggressive in marketing their products with the tremendous success of amphetamines. Valium was marketed directly to physicians and indirectly through a public relations campaign that implied that benzodiazepines offered sedative/hypnotic benefits without the risk of addiction or death from drug interactions or suicide. Within fifteen years of its introduction, 2.3 billion Valium pills were being sold annually in the U.S. (Sample 2005).
So, family physicians became society's instruments: the suppliers of choice for legal mood-altering drugs. But medical practitioners required scientific authority to protect their reputations, and the public required a justification for its drug-seeking behavior. The pharmaceutical companies were quick to offer a pseudoscientific conjecture that satisfied both. They argued that neurochemical transmitters, only recently identified, were in fact the long sought after mediators of mood and activity. Psychological complaints, consequently, were a function of an imbalance of these neural chemicals that could be corrected with stimulants and sedatives (and later antidepressants and antipsychotics). While the assertion was pure fantasy without a shred of evidence, so little was known about the brain's true actions that the artifice was tamely accepted. This would later prove devastating when children became the targets of pharmaceutical expansion.
With Ritalin's FDA approval for the treatment of hyperactivity in children, the same marketing techniques that had been so successful with other drugs were applied to the new amphetamine. Pharmaceutical companies had a vested interest in the increase in sales; they spared no expense in convincing physicians to prescribe them. Cash payments, stock options, paid junkets, no-work consultancies, and other inducements encouraged physicians to relax their natural caution about medicating children. Parents also were targeted. For example, CIBA, the maker of Ritalin, made large direct payments to parents' support groups like CHADD (Children and Adults with Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder) (The Merrow Report 1995). To increase the acceptance of stimulants, drug companies paid researchers to publish favorable articles on the effectiveness of stimulant treatments. They also endowed chairs and paid for the establishment of clinics in influential medical schools, particularly ones associated with universities of international reputation. By the mid 1970s, more than half a million children had already been medicated primarily for hyperactivity.
The brand of psychiatry that became increasingly popular in the 1980s and 1990s did not have its roots in notions of normal behavior or personality theory; it grew out of the concrete, atheoretical treatment style used in clinics and institutions for the profoundly disturbed. German psychiatrist Emil Kraepelin, not Freud, was the God of mental hospitals, and pharmaceuticals were the panacea. So the whole underlying notion of psychiatric treatment, diagnosis, and disease changed. Psychiatry, which had straddled psychology and medicine for a hundred years, abruptly abandoned psychology for a comfortable sinecure within its traditional parent discipline. The change was profound.
People seeking treatment were no longer clients, they were patients. Their complaints were no longer suggestive of a complex mental organization, they were symptoms of a disease. Patients were not active participants in a collaborative treatment, they were passive recipients of symptom-reducing substances. Mental disturbances were no longer caused by unique combinations of personality, character, disposition, and upbringing, they were attributed to pre-birth anomalies that caused vague chemical imbalances. Cures were no longer anticipated or sought; mental disorders were inherited illnesses, like birth defects, that could not be cured except by some future magic, genetic bullet. All that could be done was to treat symptoms chemically, and this was being done with astonishing ease and regularity.
In many ways, children are the ideal patients for drugs. By nature, they are often passive and compliant when told by a parent to take a pill. Children are also generally optimistic and less likely to balk at treatment than adults. Even if they are inclined to complain, the parent is a ready intermediary between the physician and the patient. Parents are willing to participate in the enforcement of treatments once they have justified them in their own minds and, unlike adults, many kids do not have the luxury of discontinuing an unpleasant medication. Children are additionally not aware of how they ought to feel. They adjust to the drugs' effects as if they are natural and are more tolerant of side effects than adults. Pharmaceutical companies recognized these assets and soon were targeting new drugs specifically at children.
But third-party insurance providers balked at the surge in costs for treatment of previously unknown, psychological syndromes, especially since unwanted drug effects were making some cases complicated and expensive. Medicine's growing prosperity as the purveyor of treatments for mental disorders was threatened, and the industry's response was predictable. Psychiatry found that it could meet insurance company requirements by simplifying diagnoses, reducing identification to the mere appearance of certain symptoms. By 1980, they had published all new standards.
Lost in the process was the fact that the redefined diagnoses (and a host of new additions) failed to meet minimal standards of falsifiability and differentiability. This meant that the diagnoses could never be disproved and that they could not be indisputably distinguished from one another. The new disorders were also defined as lists of symptoms from which a physician could check off a certain number of hits like a Chinese menu, which led to reification, an egregious scientific impropriety. Insurers, however, with their exceptions undermined and under pressure from parents and physicians, eventually withdrew their objections. From that moment on, the treatment of children with powerful psychotropic medications grew unchecked.
As new psychotropics became available, their uses were quickly extended to children despite, in many cases, indications that the drugs were intended for use with adults only. New antipsychotics, the atypicals, were synthesized and marketed beginning in the 1970s. Subsequently, a new class of antidepressants like Prozac and Zoloft was introduced. These drugs were added to the catalogue of childhood drug treatments with an astonishing casualness even as stimulant treatment for hyperactivity continued to burgeon.
In 1980, hyperactivity, which had been imprudently named "minimal brain dysfunction" in the 1960s, was renamed Attention Deficit Disorder in order to be more politic, but there was an unintended consequence of the move. Parents and teachers, familiar with the name but not always with the symptoms, frequently misidentified children who were shy, slow, or sad (introverted rather than inattentive) as suffering from ADD. Rather than correct the mistake, though, some enterprising physicians responded by prescribing the same drug for the opposite symptoms. This was justified on the grounds that stimulants, which were being offered because they slowed down hyperactive children, might very well have the predicted effect of speeding up under-active kids. In this way, a whole new population of children became eligible for medication. Later, the authors of DSM-III memorialized this practice by renaming ADD again, this time as ADHD, and redefining ADD as inattention. Psychiatry had reached a new level: they were now willing to invent an illness to justify a treatment. It would not be the last time this was done.
In the last twenty years, a new, more disturbing trend has become popular: the re-branding of legacy forms of mental disturbance as broad categories of childhood illness. Manic depressive illness and infantile autism, two previously rare disorders, were redefined through this process as "spectrum" illnesses with loosened criteria and symptom lists that cover a wide range of previously normal behavior. With this slim justification in place, more than a million children have been treated with psychotropics for bipolar disorder and another 200,000 for autism. A recent article in this magazine "The Bipolar Bamboozle" (Flora and Bobby 2008) illuminates how and why an illness that once occurred twice in every 100,000 Americans, has been recast as an epidemic affecting millions.
To overwhelmed parents, drugs solve a whole host of ancillary problems. The relatively low cost (at least in out-of-pocket dollars) and the small commitment of time for drug treatments make them attractive to parents who are already stretched thin by work and home life. Those whose confidence is shaken by indications that their children are "out of control" or "unruly" or "disturbed" are soothed by the seeming inevitability of an inherited disease that is shared by so many others. Rather than blaming themselves for being poor home managers, guardians with insufficient skills, or neglectful caretakers, parents can find comfort in the thought that their child, through no fault of theirs, has succumbed to a modern and widely accepted scourge. A psychiatric diagnosis also works well as an authoritative response to demands made by teachers and school administrators to address their child's "problems."
Once a medical illness has been identified, all unwanted behavior becomes fruit of the same tree. Even the children themselves are often at first relieved that their asocial or antisocial impulses reflect an underlying disease and not some flaw in their characters or personalities.
Conclusions
In the last analysis, childhood has been thoroughly and effectively redefined. Character and temperament have been largely removed from the vocabulary of human personality. Virtually every single undesirable impulse of children has taken on pathological proportions and diagnostic significance. Yet, if the psychiatric community is wrong in their theories and hypotheses, then a generation of parents has been deluded while millions of children have been sentenced to a lifetime of ingesting powerful and dangerous drugs.
Considering the enormous benefits reaped by the medical community, it is no surprise that critics have argued that the whole enterprise is a cynical, reckless artifice crafted to unfairly enrich them. Even though this is undoubtedly not true, physicians and pharmaceutical companies must answer for the rush to medicate our most vulnerable citizens based on little evidence, a weak theoretical model, and an antiquated and repudiated philosophy. For its part, the scientific community must answer for its timidity in challenging treatments made in the absence of clinical observation and justified by research of insufficient rigor performed by professionals and institutions whose objectivity is clearly in question, because their own interests are materially entwined in their findings.
It should hardly be necessary to remind physicians that even if their diagnoses are real, they are still admonished by Galen's dictum Primum non nocere, or "first, do no harm." If with no other population, this ought to be our standard when dealing with children. Yet we have chosen the most invasive, destructive, and potentially lethal treatment imaginable while rejecting other options that show great promise of being at least as effective and far safer. But these other methods are more expensive, more complicated, and more time-consuming, and thus far, we have not proved willing to bear the cost. Instead, we have jumped at a discounted treatment, a soft-drink-machine cure: easy, cheap, fast, and putatively scientific. Sadly, the difference in price is now being paid by eight million children.
Mental illness is a fact of life, and it is naïve to imagine that there are not seriously disturbed children in every neighborhood and school. What is more, in the straitened economy of child rearing and education, medication may be the most efficient and cost effective treatment for some of these children. Nevertheless, to medicate not just the neediest, most complicated cases but one child in every ten, despite the availability of less destructive treatments and regardless of doubtful science, is a tragedy of epic proportions.
What we all have to fear, at long last, is not having been wrong but having done wrong. That will be judged in a court of a different sort. Instead of humility, we continue to feed drugs to our children with blithe indifference. Even when a child's mind is truly disturbed (and our standards need to be revised drastically on this score), a treatment model that intends to chemically palliate and manage ought to be our last resort, not our first option. How many more children need to be sacrificed for us to see the harm in expediency, greed, and plain ignorance?
This piece was originally published in the Skeptical Inquirer.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on May 5, 2009 12:19 AM
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Crush up Ritalin pills and snort them and you will get a Cocaine like high.
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Posted by: colinmeister on May 5, 2009 3:47 AM
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When have pharmaceutical companies ever worried about negative side effects when these could endanger their profit motives?
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Posted by: hankgeorge on May 5, 2009 4:51 AM
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These drugs are, for the most part, no better than placebo and their rampant over-use is appalling.
With a largely servile FDA and Rx company lobbying, this won't change any time soon.
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Posted by: sunnywater on May 5, 2009 5:28 AM
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Parents perceive drugs as a magic panacea for their children's problems and doctors fail to inform them about the other side of the coin.
Many parents do not find time in their tight schedules for their children who, neglected, are prone to various mental problems.
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Posted by: Urstrly on May 5, 2009 5:33 AM
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And then on the other hand, we have the more upscale parents who are dosing their kids with the same drugs in order to push them to higher and higher achievement. Come to think of it, they're probably economically and socially unstable these days as well.
THe problem is not that drugs can't help some people some of the time but that when it becomes wholesale, then we must look at the societal aspects.
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Posted by: Vaxalon2 on May 5, 2009 5:37 AM
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Then, in a fit of rage, he broke my wife's arm.
At the age of eight.
At that point we decided this went beyond discipline, beyond reward and punishment. After working with several psychiatrists without positive result, we finally found one that was willing to take the time to treat all of us, providing prescriptions where that was necessary and guidance in parenting a bipolar child.
My son is now fourteen, and well on his way to becoming a productive adult. He will never regain the years he lost to his illness, but I thank the Gods that the medicines he needed were there.
So yes, we should evaluate these things with a critical eye, but we should also keep in mind that most parents, physicians, and teachers really do want what's best for their kids. They are the ones making the decisions, not the drug companies.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 5, 2009 6:01 AM
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I realize that we (the adults) are very busy, however, when we become parents it is incumbent upon us to step up to the plate and be parents! Your children will make friends on the playground, your job is to teach them right from wrong, the moral code you live by, how to tie their shoes, get along with others - sometimes even when they don't want too, and behave in polite society!! When you abdicate that responsibility to a "drug" you've abdicated a major portion of "your job" in helping to form the next generation!
We've allowed ourselves to be over-ruled by these so-called "authority" figures, that really are experimenting on our children! Big Pharma is trying to make money - and make it they do, but at what cost! These drugs are harmful to young developing minds and bodies, that they are being given by (I believe) lazy parents who are choosing the quickest way to calm their kids down is a travesty! That the medical establishment are all too willing (participants) shills in this farce for the drug industry is a catastrophe!
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Posted by: ismac76 on May 5, 2009 6:05 AM
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With all of the chemicals we're exposed to many of which could have ambient polypharmacy type effects on each other, MSM such as TV, utilizing increasingly frequent changes in visual perspective, as well as hyping crises at every opportunity, an increasingly appalling disparity of wealth & all the consequences that brings along with the deterioration and job insecurity that stems from neoliberal economics, layer on patriarchy and/or racism for all but white males, oh and climate change among other natural man made disasters.... of course we're all going crazy.
We're stuck on the crazy train, the politicians , lobbyists and their corporate masters are steering it off of a cliff because it will make them and the people they care about rich and since that's apparently all that counts for those people who count, the rest of us are left contemplating this slow motion suicide which seems so completely out of our control.
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Posted by: Gregory Kruse on May 5, 2009 6:56 AM
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I've been observing children and teachers as a volunteer at the elementary schools for 5 years now. I generally believe that drug therapy shouldn't be used before 6th grade. I do believe in concerted effort to make the best educational opportunities and therapies available to all children. There are those kids, however, who are so disruptive even in kindergarten that it's easy to conclude that they will end up in prison. Some of these benefit from chemical therapy which, though there is some risk of side effects, the risk of incarceration is much greater.
My son hasn't been seen by an MD since he was diagnosed when he was 4. We have scheduled a visit to an MD in Iowa City who specializes in autism treatment and it will be interesting to hear what she recommends for our son. I am glad to have come across this article at this crucial time of decision.
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Posted by: oceanmuse on May 5, 2009 9:13 AM
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It's not that we have so many more kids w/ mental issues than we did then (although that's very possible due to the changed environment in which we live) it's that we now are more aware of the possible problems. In addition psychological problems were seen as character flaws so there was a strong stigma keeping parents from seeking help.
As a child in the 50's and 60's my ADHD went undignosed. I was smart enough to develop lots of coping mechanisms. Girls often manifest their hyperactivity in chattiness. Like most kids of the era Mom sent us outside to play. Fresh air, sunshine and nature are known to be calming for ADHD sufferers. I was lucky enough to grow up walking distance from a beach.
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Posted by: jstepp590 on May 5, 2009 9:20 AM
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However, as someone who grew up with severe ADD/ADHD and still have it I think my academic performance and overall quality of life would have been drastically improved with Adderall. I wasn't diagnosed with ADHD until I was almost 40yo, and the one time I took Adderall was the first time in my life that I felt normal, how I imagined normal people must feel. It was an amazing feeling to be in control of my mind without conscious thought, able to have an interesting conversation and not have a hurricane raging in my head.
My point to the above statement isn't to refute the author but to point out that we cannot throw out the baby with the bath water. Some children need these drugs to even be able to sit still and pay attention. Their performance and lives will be directly affected by these factors. I say, if you want to get rid of this problem you have to go after the roots and that is our environmental pollution.
Autism and ADHD are very similar and there is a lot of belief that the rising levels of pollution are directly correlated to the rising numbers of ADD/ADHD and autism, even down to geography. Read this counterpoint article to see what I mean.
http://www.counterpunch.org/higgs05052009.html
This debate cannot be solved on the basis of whether children should be fed pharma chemicals because there are too many factors involved. Until we fix the root problem everything else is simply putting a bandage on a head wound.
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 5, 2009 10:13 AM
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One paragraph, nay one sentence describing alternatives would be more effective than pages of such screeds, if only a single parent learned of an option.
If it is easier to push a pill, then is it not also easier to pile on the rhetoric. Drama uber alles is the poison pill of journalism. So, thanks, for nothing.
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When my 8 yr old son (the best reader in his class) stopped responding to his teacher and let his schoolwork pile up in his desk, I was able to correct the problem with a couple taps (literally) of the wooden spoon. My ex responded by calling social services with a complaint of child abuse.
Four years later, this had escalated into full-scale war. Convinced by his father that he had suffered a lifetime of abuse at my hands and also that I had led his father into financial ruin, my son was transferred (illegally) to another school and then refused almost all contact with me - except for short phone calls to tell me to fuck off and how much he hated me.
After I moved heaven and earth, after hours spent on the phone, camped out in various offices and writing long letters to be sent by registered mail, my son was put into treatment for the threats he had made against me.
The conclusion: my son was ADD and I had not only been physically abusive but abusive in that I had not sought treatment! And if the Ritalin wasn't enough to make my son feel better, he would receive a prescription for Prozac as well!
Fortunately my member of legislature intervened on my behalf during this stunning display of professional quackery - I was at one point threatened by the hospital with a TEAM of lawyers - and today my kid is a normal 16 year old with plans for college and an interest in sports. With a good relationship with his mother. All he really needed to turn his life around was a nice lunch and an afternoon of skiing :.(
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Posted by: inverse_agonist on May 5, 2009 1:15 PM
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Yes, there were fewer accepted mental illnesses in the 1950s. It was 50 years ago. The author would prefer we go back to the "hastily discarded psychodynamic model" instead of using modern psychiatry. Psychodynamic is just a fancied-up term for psychoanalysis, i.e., Sigmund Freud's ideas. Everything is about unconscious conflicts from childhood. We're told a few paragraphs later that diagnostic categories used today are "unfalsifiable and undifferentiable." Because statements about The Unconscious are more rigorous, somehow? There's a reason Freud is taken more seriously in English departments than schools of psychiatry.
We're told that it's "pseudoscientific" to say that neurotransmitters mediate mood and activity. That is absurd. This article exists in the first place because psychiatric drugs, that are known to work by changing various aspects of neurotransmitter systems, alter mood and activity. Alcohol modifies GABA signaling. Alcohol changes mood, as everyone reading this has probably experienced. There, you've demonstrated it experimentally.
It's been understood that a simple "chemical imbalance" is not the cause of mental illness for AT LEAST 20 years, because of therapeutic lag. Prozac increases serotonin levels on day 1, and doesn't help with depression until week 2 or 3. It must be more complicated than "too little serotonin." This is an active area of research, and antidepressants are now thought to work in part by mechanisms related to stress hormones, a growth factor called BDNF, and the birth of new cells in the dentate gyrus. "Chemical imbalance" is a term easily understood by the public, but it's a marketing term, not a scientific one.
It's obvious that genetics and environment interact to cause mental illness. For example, the gene for the serotonin transporter (target of SSRIs like Prozac) comes in a "short" and a "long" form. One of those forms is associated with depression, but only in people who've undergone stressful life experiences. Nobody actually says genetics is everything.
Back to the "spectrum" thing. It's obvious that some people are REALLY depressed, and other people are sort of depressed. Other people are depressed, but not enough that it's interfering with their life. That is a spectrum. Relatives of people with schizophrenia tend to have some of the same cognitive problems as their schizophrenic family members, but they aren't disabled by them. Google the term "endophenotype" for more about this.
The problem with articles like this is that they start by acknowledging actual problems: conflicts of interest in medicine, the horrible parenting readily observable any time you go out in public, or the effects of drugs on brain development. Instead of having a rational, adult discussion of these problems, we're warned about TEH CONSPIRACY!, told blatantly false things about neuroscience, and urged to return to the good old days of Freud and maybe corporal punishment.
The same EVIL psychiatry journals are the ones publishing the papers that demonstrate, you know, that medication and psychotherapy tend to be about equally effective in treating mental illness, or that therapy measurably changes brain function.
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Posted by: DaBear on May 5, 2009 11:37 PM
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This set up the article as a sham. Anything the author had to say from there on out is discredited. I could dredge up just as much old shit about snake oil idiots too. Andrew, I swear to god, if I ever meet you in public I hope I'm in full blown manic phase (every fourth day I can cycle into superhero mode) so I can kick your fucking ass to the curb, you anti-science fundamentalist asshole!
Here's the thing:
1. stop underfunding and gutting education. If schools had the funding to be flexible like Euro schools our ADD/ADHD and BP kids could go to your fucking meat grinders and be fine off-meds (to a certain degree).
2. start making big pharma invest in ACTUAL R&D and granting scientific research into actual MIs and A-D disorders, instead of rigging a patent system to generate cash cows based on pseudo science horseshit.
3. If you call yourself a Lefty and STILL insist on dissing science and arguing AGAINST genuine treatment and evidence based therapies for those of us who got too much of a genetic good thing, then you're a right wing nutjob in denial and you need to go fuck yourself. Ever hear of that Left wing thing called EMPATHY?! Course not, you're too god damned rich and arrogant to have it.
4. if you're a rich asshole, part of the upper middling and owning class, this is all YOUR fucking fault. You and YOUR peers did all of this and YOU should be held accountable.
I'm so god damned pissed off by this article, it's no wonder my kid's "drugged" just like me. You all drove us to it, you bunch of rich overpriviledged, insensitive arrogant pricks!
Does big pharma fuckup and do the wrong thing? Of course... their owned by rich people!
Do politicans and schools fuck up? Of course, they're all composed and operated by RICH PEOPLE!
Do yuppie parents fuckup? Of course they're RICH PEOPLE!
So quit whining about people who actually need meds (I'm off mine currently, the side effects are worse than the "disorder" sometimes because you rich assholes won't spend the god damned money on R&D to find something that works without making me break out in a rash and all manner of horseshit---can you tell?!). YOU people have no fucking clue what it's like to live with this stuff.
So, shut the fuck up unless you listen to us first.
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Posted by: fauxnews on May 6, 2009 6:15 AM
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I sought therapy for my son starting at age 4 with speech and OT. He was labeled "sensory integration disorder". Family said "yes, we notice him but figure he will grow out of it".
I fought the teachers for quite a while. I refused to medicate him for this reason of overmedicating kids because teachers don't want to have to work with difficult kids, but he wasn't difficult. He was just spacey and nervous. So I had a psychologist test him and diagnosed anxiety and ADD. I still did not medicate. Then the school did a full diagnostic...brilliant but suffering with anxiety & ADD. Now he is a different kid with those meds! But at least I waited to get full confirmation.
When we were kids, they didn't have the medication. Instead those kids were taunted and thought of as stupid or weird. Having science progress is not a bad thing. So would you turn down treatment for cancer now because it wasn't available "back then"?
Being prudent and careful is the key, not attacking those who really flourish and can be normal, high functioning kids on medication and no longer targeted at school.
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Posted by: Quist on May 6, 2009 2:42 PM
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No critical thinking.
No problem solving.
No empathy.
No creative thinking.
No cooperation.
No decent role models.
No bonding.
No mentoring.
No stability.
No tolerance.
No reasonable guidelines.
No understanding.
What the hell are we teaching our kids today?
The U.S. is moving towards the era of idiocracy.
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Posted by: Norma Druid on May 6, 2009 5:47 PM
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In fact, mental or emotional disorders have a long history in my family. My mother, born in 1920, suffered what we now know as Clinical Depression while in her teens. She also had an impossible to please mother and a drunken father. Several older members of my grandmother´s family had either been carted off to an institution or committed suicide. Mama knew she needed help by the time I was born in 1945, but institutionalization or shock treatments (remember those?) were the only treatment available.
Like any child, I was upset by my mother´s emotional problems and sometimes irrational behavior. What really put the tin lid on things was the birth of my brother in 1952. Childlike, I realized rather early something was ¨wrong¨ with him without understanding what or why. Gradually, my feelings of frustration, anger, and downright hatred made me almost suicidal. Luckily, my pediatrician recognized my condition and arranged affordable care with one of the practicing psychologists in the area. He prescribed a sedative until my condition stabilized.
Meanwhile, there was nothing available for my haggard mother and increasingly out of control brother, who had hallucinations among other things. Finally a UGF funded mental health center with a sliding fee scale was established in my area. My parents attended parent groups, and my brother finally at age 7 got a diagnosis - childhood schizophrenia. We all had various types of individual and group therapy to help us handle the situation, but only common or garden variety tranquilizers were readily available then.
One thing we all quickly discovered was that we were by no means the only desperate family. My folks met college professors and people from the projects to discuss their troubled kids. My teenage therapy group never lacked for members of all social conditions. Oh, yes, the troubles were there alright.
In the late sixties, my brother spent 18 months in the adolescent unit of the local mental hospital. With this treatment and some medication, he became able to live in the community and graduate from high school.
Now, about all those side effects like tardive diskinesia - my brother took Mellaril for 35 years and did have some mild symptoms. Our family doctor, operating from a clinic allergic to possible liability, cut back his dosage. This resulted in my brother driving to another state, throwing his identification in the trash, and deliberately shop lifting to get himself arrested. I took off from work and drove Mama over there to get him out. Yeah, worked out great, didn´t it?
No, I don´t trust Big Pharma, but they didn´t invent emotional illnesses in children. Some, like schizophrenia and autism, are physically based. Autism IS on the rise, quite possibly because of industrial pollutants known to affect the nervous system.
Children suffered mental disorders in the fifties. I was there. I was one of them.
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Posted by: nfibpat on May 18, 2009 8:08 AM
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When we as a society pound vaccines into our newborns, does it not stand to reason that we might be damaging our babies. Their neurodevelopmental processes are destroyed by toxins, heavy metals, foreign tissues, and a host of damaging additives that serve absolutely no functional purpose in either structure or function.
There are regions in the developing and newborn brains that are called watershed areas. These areas are microvascular circulation that allow only one red blood cell at a time to pass: in with oxygen and nutrients, and out with carbon dioxide and waster products. If these areas are clogged with plateletes or sludging blood, we end up with neurodevelopmentally damaged children and adults. Watch the eyes of our children. If one of them is discongugate, one turned up or in, or both crossed, consider that one of the 12 cranial nerves, or many of them, have been damaged.
This damage can be immediate, delayed, waxing or waning, across multiple organ tissue, and can result in all these diagnoses. We even see SIDs as a consequence of the barbarian practice of vaccination.
Gulf War Syndrome, and HPV vaccine damages causing deaths can also be placed at the alter of modern medicine's profit machine.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on May 5, 2009 12:19 AM
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Crush up Ritalin pills and snort them and you will get a Cocaine like high.
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Posted by: colinmeister on May 5, 2009 3:47 AM
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When have pharmaceutical companies ever worried about negative side effects when these could endanger their profit motives?
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Posted by: hankgeorge on May 5, 2009 4:51 AM
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These drugs are, for the most part, no better than placebo and their rampant over-use is appalling.
With a largely servile FDA and Rx company lobbying, this won't change any time soon.
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Posted by: sunnywater on May 5, 2009 5:28 AM
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Parents perceive drugs as a magic panacea for their children's problems and doctors fail to inform them about the other side of the coin.
Many parents do not find time in their tight schedules for their children who, neglected, are prone to various mental problems.
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Posted by: Urstrly on May 5, 2009 5:33 AM
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And then on the other hand, we have the more upscale parents who are dosing their kids with the same drugs in order to push them to higher and higher achievement. Come to think of it, they're probably economically and socially unstable these days as well.
THe problem is not that drugs can't help some people some of the time but that when it becomes wholesale, then we must look at the societal aspects.
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Posted by: Vaxalon2 on May 5, 2009 5:37 AM
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Then, in a fit of rage, he broke my wife's arm.
At the age of eight.
At that point we decided this went beyond discipline, beyond reward and punishment. After working with several psychiatrists without positive result, we finally found one that was willing to take the time to treat all of us, providing prescriptions where that was necessary and guidance in parenting a bipolar child.
My son is now fourteen, and well on his way to becoming a productive adult. He will never regain the years he lost to his illness, but I thank the Gods that the medicines he needed were there.
So yes, we should evaluate these things with a critical eye, but we should also keep in mind that most parents, physicians, and teachers really do want what's best for their kids. They are the ones making the decisions, not the drug companies.
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I realize that we (the adults) are very busy, however, when we become parents it is incumbent upon us to step up to the plate and be parents! Your children will make friends on the playground, your job is to teach them right from wrong, the moral code you live by, how to tie their shoes, get along with others - sometimes even when they don't want too, and behave in polite society!! When you abdicate that responsibility to a "drug" you've abdicated a major portion of "your job" in helping to form the next generation!
We've allowed ourselves to be over-ruled by these so-called "authority" figures, that really are experimenting on our children! Big Pharma is trying to make money - and make it they do, but at what cost! These drugs are harmful to young developing minds and bodies, that they are being given by (I believe) lazy parents who are choosing the quickest way to calm their kids down is a travesty! That the medical establishment are all too willing (participants) shills in this farce for the drug industry is a catastrophe!
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Posted by: ismac76 on May 5, 2009 6:05 AM
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With all of the chemicals we're exposed to many of which could have ambient polypharmacy type effects on each other, MSM such as TV, utilizing increasingly frequent changes in visual perspective, as well as hyping crises at every opportunity, an increasingly appalling disparity of wealth & all the consequences that brings along with the deterioration and job insecurity that stems from neoliberal economics, layer on patriarchy and/or racism for all but white males, oh and climate change among other natural man made disasters.... of course we're all going crazy.
We're stuck on the crazy train, the politicians , lobbyists and their corporate masters are steering it off of a cliff because it will make them and the people they care about rich and since that's apparently all that counts for those people who count, the rest of us are left contemplating this slow motion suicide which seems so completely out of our control.
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Posted by: Gregory Kruse on May 5, 2009 6:56 AM
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I've been observing children and teachers as a volunteer at the elementary schools for 5 years now. I generally believe that drug therapy shouldn't be used before 6th grade. I do believe in concerted effort to make the best educational opportunities and therapies available to all children. There are those kids, however, who are so disruptive even in kindergarten that it's easy to conclude that they will end up in prison. Some of these benefit from chemical therapy which, though there is some risk of side effects, the risk of incarceration is much greater.
My son hasn't been seen by an MD since he was diagnosed when he was 4. We have scheduled a visit to an MD in Iowa City who specializes in autism treatment and it will be interesting to hear what she recommends for our son. I am glad to have come across this article at this crucial time of decision.
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Posted by: oceanmuse on May 5, 2009 9:13 AM
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It's not that we have so many more kids w/ mental issues than we did then (although that's very possible due to the changed environment in which we live) it's that we now are more aware of the possible problems. In addition psychological problems were seen as character flaws so there was a strong stigma keeping parents from seeking help.
As a child in the 50's and 60's my ADHD went undignosed. I was smart enough to develop lots of coping mechanisms. Girls often manifest their hyperactivity in chattiness. Like most kids of the era Mom sent us outside to play. Fresh air, sunshine and nature are known to be calming for ADHD sufferers. I was lucky enough to grow up walking distance from a beach.
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Posted by: jstepp590 on May 5, 2009 9:20 AM
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However, as someone who grew up with severe ADD/ADHD and still have it I think my academic performance and overall quality of life would have been drastically improved with Adderall. I wasn't diagnosed with ADHD until I was almost 40yo, and the one time I took Adderall was the first time in my life that I felt normal, how I imagined normal people must feel. It was an amazing feeling to be in control of my mind without conscious thought, able to have an interesting conversation and not have a hurricane raging in my head.
My point to the above statement isn't to refute the author but to point out that we cannot throw out the baby with the bath water. Some children need these drugs to even be able to sit still and pay attention. Their performance and lives will be directly affected by these factors. I say, if you want to get rid of this problem you have to go after the roots and that is our environmental pollution.
Autism and ADHD are very similar and there is a lot of belief that the rising levels of pollution are directly correlated to the rising numbers of ADD/ADHD and autism, even down to geography. Read this counterpoint article to see what I mean.
http://www.counterpunch.org/higgs05052009.html
This debate cannot be solved on the basis of whether children should be fed pharma chemicals because there are too many factors involved. Until we fix the root problem everything else is simply putting a bandage on a head wound.
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 5, 2009 10:13 AM
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One paragraph, nay one sentence describing alternatives would be more effective than pages of such screeds, if only a single parent learned of an option.
If it is easier to push a pill, then is it not also easier to pile on the rhetoric. Drama uber alles is the poison pill of journalism. So, thanks, for nothing.
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When my 8 yr old son (the best reader in his class) stopped responding to his teacher and let his schoolwork pile up in his desk, I was able to correct the problem with a couple taps (literally) of the wooden spoon. My ex responded by calling social services with a complaint of child abuse.
Four years later, this had escalated into full-scale war. Convinced by his father that he had suffered a lifetime of abuse at my hands and also that I had led his father into financial ruin, my son was transferred (illegally) to another school and then refused almost all contact with me - except for short phone calls to tell me to fuck off and how much he hated me.
After I moved heaven and earth, after hours spent on the phone, camped out in various offices and writing long letters to be sent by registered mail, my son was put into treatment for the threats he had made against me.
The conclusion: my son was ADD and I had not only been physically abusive but abusive in that I had not sought treatment! And if the Ritalin wasn't enough to make my son feel better, he would receive a prescription for Prozac as well!
Fortunately my member of legislature intervened on my behalf during this stunning display of professional quackery - I was at one point threatened by the hospital with a TEAM of lawyers - and today my kid is a normal 16 year old with plans for college and an interest in sports. With a good relationship with his mother. All he really needed to turn his life around was a nice lunch and an afternoon of skiing :.(
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Posted by: willymack on May 5, 2009 12:21 PM
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Posted by: inverse_agonist on May 5, 2009 1:15 PM
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Yes, there were fewer accepted mental illnesses in the 1950s. It was 50 years ago. The author would prefer we go back to the "hastily discarded psychodynamic model" instead of using modern psychiatry. Psychodynamic is just a fancied-up term for psychoanalysis, i.e., Sigmund Freud's ideas. Everything is about unconscious conflicts from childhood. We're told a few paragraphs later that diagnostic categories used today are "unfalsifiable and undifferentiable." Because statements about The Unconscious are more rigorous, somehow? There's a reason Freud is taken more seriously in English departments than schools of psychiatry.
We're told that it's "pseudoscientific" to say that neurotransmitters mediate mood and activity. That is absurd. This article exists in the first place because psychiatric drugs, that are known to work by changing various aspects of neurotransmitter systems, alter mood and activity. Alcohol modifies GABA signaling. Alcohol changes mood, as everyone reading this has probably experienced. There, you've demonstrated it experimentally.
It's been understood that a simple "chemical imbalance" is not the cause of mental illness for AT LEAST 20 years, because of therapeutic lag. Prozac increases serotonin levels on day 1, and doesn't help with depression until week 2 or 3. It must be more complicated than "too little serotonin." This is an active area of research, and antidepressants are now thought to work in part by mechanisms related to stress hormones, a growth factor called BDNF, and the birth of new cells in the dentate gyrus. "Chemical imbalance" is a term easily understood by the public, but it's a marketing term, not a scientific one.
It's obvious that genetics and environment interact to cause mental illness. For example, the gene for the serotonin transporter (target of SSRIs like Prozac) comes in a "short" and a "long" form. One of those forms is associated with depression, but only in people who've undergone stressful life experiences. Nobody actually says genetics is everything.
Back to the "spectrum" thing. It's obvious that some people are REALLY depressed, and other people are sort of depressed. Other people are depressed, but not enough that it's interfering with their life. That is a spectrum. Relatives of people with schizophrenia tend to have some of the same cognitive problems as their schizophrenic family members, but they aren't disabled by them. Google the term "endophenotype" for more about this.
The problem with articles like this is that they start by acknowledging actual problems: conflicts of interest in medicine, the horrible parenting readily observable any time you go out in public, or the effects of drugs on brain development. Instead of having a rational, adult discussion of these problems, we're warned about TEH CONSPIRACY!, told blatantly false things about neuroscience, and urged to return to the good old days of Freud and maybe corporal punishment.
The same EVIL psychiatry journals are the ones publishing the papers that demonstrate, you know, that medication and psychotherapy tend to be about equally effective in treating mental illness, or that therapy measurably changes brain function.
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Posted by: DaBear on May 5, 2009 11:37 PM
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This set up the article as a sham. Anything the author had to say from there on out is discredited. I could dredge up just as much old shit about snake oil idiots too. Andrew, I swear to god, if I ever meet you in public I hope I'm in full blown manic phase (every fourth day I can cycle into superhero mode) so I can kick your fucking ass to the curb, you anti-science fundamentalist asshole!
Here's the thing:
1. stop underfunding and gutting education. If schools had the funding to be flexible like Euro schools our ADD/ADHD and BP kids could go to your fucking meat grinders and be fine off-meds (to a certain degree).
2. start making big pharma invest in ACTUAL R&D and granting scientific research into actual MIs and A-D disorders, instead of rigging a patent system to generate cash cows based on pseudo science horseshit.
3. If you call yourself a Lefty and STILL insist on dissing science and arguing AGAINST genuine treatment and evidence based therapies for those of us who got too much of a genetic good thing, then you're a right wing nutjob in denial and you need to go fuck yourself. Ever hear of that Left wing thing called EMPATHY?! Course not, you're too god damned rich and arrogant to have it.
4. if you're a rich asshole, part of the upper middling and owning class, this is all YOUR fucking fault. You and YOUR peers did all of this and YOU should be held accountable.
I'm so god damned pissed off by this article, it's no wonder my kid's "drugged" just like me. You all drove us to it, you bunch of rich overpriviledged, insensitive arrogant pricks!
Does big pharma fuckup and do the wrong thing? Of course... their owned by rich people!
Do politicans and schools fuck up? Of course, they're all composed and operated by RICH PEOPLE!
Do yuppie parents fuckup? Of course they're RICH PEOPLE!
So quit whining about people who actually need meds (I'm off mine currently, the side effects are worse than the "disorder" sometimes because you rich assholes won't spend the god damned money on R&D to find something that works without making me break out in a rash and all manner of horseshit---can you tell?!). YOU people have no fucking clue what it's like to live with this stuff.
So, shut the fuck up unless you listen to us first.
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Posted by: fauxnews on May 6, 2009 6:15 AM
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I sought therapy for my son starting at age 4 with speech and OT. He was labeled "sensory integration disorder". Family said "yes, we notice him but figure he will grow out of it".
I fought the teachers for quite a while. I refused to medicate him for this reason of overmedicating kids because teachers don't want to have to work with difficult kids, but he wasn't difficult. He was just spacey and nervous. So I had a psychologist test him and diagnosed anxiety and ADD. I still did not medicate. Then the school did a full diagnostic...brilliant but suffering with anxiety & ADD. Now he is a different kid with those meds! But at least I waited to get full confirmation.
When we were kids, they didn't have the medication. Instead those kids were taunted and thought of as stupid or weird. Having science progress is not a bad thing. So would you turn down treatment for cancer now because it wasn't available "back then"?
Being prudent and careful is the key, not attacking those who really flourish and can be normal, high functioning kids on medication and no longer targeted at school.
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Posted by: Quist on May 6, 2009 2:42 PM
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No critical thinking.
No problem solving.
No empathy.
No creative thinking.
No cooperation.
No decent role models.
No bonding.
No mentoring.
No stability.
No tolerance.
No reasonable guidelines.
No understanding.
What the hell are we teaching our kids today?
The U.S. is moving towards the era of idiocracy.
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Posted by: Norma Druid on May 6, 2009 5:47 PM
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In fact, mental or emotional disorders have a long history in my family. My mother, born in 1920, suffered what we now know as Clinical Depression while in her teens. She also had an impossible to please mother and a drunken father. Several older members of my grandmother´s family had either been carted off to an institution or committed suicide. Mama knew she needed help by the time I was born in 1945, but institutionalization or shock treatments (remember those?) were the only treatment available.
Like any child, I was upset by my mother´s emotional problems and sometimes irrational behavior. What really put the tin lid on things was the birth of my brother in 1952. Childlike, I realized rather early something was ¨wrong¨ with him without understanding what or why. Gradually, my feelings of frustration, anger, and downright hatred made me almost suicidal. Luckily, my pediatrician recognized my condition and arranged affordable care with one of the practicing psychologists in the area. He prescribed a sedative until my condition stabilized.
Meanwhile, there was nothing available for my haggard mother and increasingly out of control brother, who had hallucinations among other things. Finally a UGF funded mental health center with a sliding fee scale was established in my area. My parents attended parent groups, and my brother finally at age 7 got a diagnosis - childhood schizophrenia. We all had various types of individual and group therapy to help us handle the situation, but only common or garden variety tranquilizers were readily available then.
One thing we all quickly discovered was that we were by no means the only desperate family. My folks met college professors and people from the projects to discuss their troubled kids. My teenage therapy group never lacked for members of all social conditions. Oh, yes, the troubles were there alright.
In the late sixties, my brother spent 18 months in the adolescent unit of the local mental hospital. With this treatment and some medication, he became able to live in the community and graduate from high school.
Now, about all those side effects like tardive diskinesia - my brother took Mellaril for 35 years and did have some mild symptoms. Our family doctor, operating from a clinic allergic to possible liability, cut back his dosage. This resulted in my brother driving to another state, throwing his identification in the trash, and deliberately shop lifting to get himself arrested. I took off from work and drove Mama over there to get him out. Yeah, worked out great, didn´t it?
No, I don´t trust Big Pharma, but they didn´t invent emotional illnesses in children. Some, like schizophrenia and autism, are physically based. Autism IS on the rise, quite possibly because of industrial pollutants known to affect the nervous system.
Children suffered mental disorders in the fifties. I was there. I was one of them.
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Posted by: theone23ord on May 6, 2009 8:16 PM
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Posted by: Lara1967 on May 8, 2009 5:42 PM
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Posted by: nfibpat on May 18, 2009 8:08 AM
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When we as a society pound vaccines into our newborns, does it not stand to reason that we might be damaging our babies. Their neurodevelopmental processes are destroyed by toxins, heavy metals, foreign tissues, and a host of damaging additives that serve absolutely no functional purpose in either structure or function.
There are regions in the developing and newborn brains that are called watershed areas. These areas are microvascular circulation that allow only one red blood cell at a time to pass: in with oxygen and nutrients, and out with carbon dioxide and waster products. If these areas are clogged with plateletes or sludging blood, we end up with neurodevelopmentally damaged children and adults. Watch the eyes of our children. If one of them is discongugate, one turned up or in, or both crossed, consider that one of the 12 cranial nerves, or many of them, have been damaged.
This damage can be immediate, delayed, waxing or waning, across multiple organ tissue, and can result in all these diagnoses. We even see SIDs as a consequence of the barbarian practice of vaccination.
Gulf War Syndrome, and HPV vaccine damages causing deaths can also be placed at the alter of modern medicine's profit machine.
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