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Burt's Bees, Tom's of Maine, Naked Juice: Your Favorite Brands? Take Another Look -- They May Not Be What They Seem
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My first introduction to natural, organic and eco-friendly products stems back to the early '90s, when I stumbled upon Burt’s Bees lip balm at an independently owned health food store in the heart of Westport, Kansas City, Mo.
Before the eyesore invasion of ’98, when Starbucks frothed its way into the neighborhood, leading to its ultimate demise, Westport was the kind of 'hood I still yearn for. It was saturated with historically preserved, hip and funky, mom-and-pop-type establishments, delivering their goods people to people.
I was surprised more recently when I saw Burt's Bees products everywhere -- in grocery stores, drug stores, corner bodegas and big-box stores like Target and Wal-Mart. I thought to myself, fantastic; the marketplace is working, and good for Burt. He has made his mark, and the demand for his products is on the rise.
Needless to say, I was shocked when I recently found out that Burt's Bees is now owned by Clorox, a massive corporate company that has historically cared very little about the environment, but whose main industry is directly associated with harmful chemicals, some of which require warning labels for legal sale.
Clorox; yes, that's right -- the bleach company with an estimated revenue of $ 4.8 billion that employs nearly 7,600 workers (now bees) and sells products like Liquid-Plumr, Pine-Sol and Armor All, a far cry from the origins of Burt.
I now understood. The reason Burt's Bees products were everywhere was precisely because they now had a powerful corporation in the driver's seat, with big marketing budgets and existing distribution systems.
The story of Burt is a charming one gone bad. Burt Shavitz, a beekeeper in Dexter, Maine, lived an extremely humble life selling honey in pickle jars from the back of his pickup truck and resided in the wilderness inside a turkey coop without running water or electricity.
In the summer of 1984, Shavitz was driving down the road and spotted a hitchhiker who needed a lift to the post office. He pulled over and picked up Roxanne Quimby, a 34-year-old woman who eventually became Shavitz's lover and business partner. Quimby started helping him tend to the beehives, and that eventually led to the all natural-inspired health care products made with Shavitz's honey and the birth of Burt's Bees products.
Burt's story and very powerful narrative gave Burt's Bees products their legitimacy in my book. Creative entrepreneurs and knowledgeable consumers together working their magic; not the results of a corporate behemoth out to dominate the marketplace.
However, Quimby and Shavitz's relationship became 'sticky' in the late '90s for reasons unclear, yet probably having little to do with honey. Their romantic break up carried over to the split of their business partnership as well. In 1999, Quimby bought out Shavitz's shares of the company for a small six-figure sum. Quimby then continued, becoming phenomenally successfully and growing sales to $43.5 million by 2002.
In 2003, a private equity firm, AEA investors, purchased 80 percent of Burt's Bees from Quimby, with her retaining a 20 percent share and a seat on the board. In 2006, John Replogle, the former general manager of Unilever's skin-care division became CEO and president of Burt's Bees. The company was sold to Clorox in late October 2007 for $925 million.
Quimby was paid more than $300 million for her stake in Burt's Bees. At the time of that deal, Shavitz reportedly demanded more money, and Quimby agreed to pay him $4 million. Quimby now refurbishes fancy, swank homes in Florida, travels the world and buys massive chunks of land in her free time. Our bearded man Shavitz, on the other hand, now 73 and unchanged, continues to reside amidst nature in his now-expanded turkey coop, which still remains absent of electricity or running water.
The Burt's Bees story is disconcerting. I vaguely remembered long ago that one of my favorite ice cream products, Ben & Jerry's, sold out. Unilever (which also owns Breyers), the giant conglomerate with an estimated market cap of $50 billion and close to 174,000 employees, bought Ben & Jerry's in 2000 for $326 million.
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Posted by: adp3d on Mar 17, 2009 1:38 AM
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» what's wrong with their image??
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» The implosion of all this corporate bullshit will destroy the world as we know it. Got a veg garden?
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» "except maybe to burnish their images"
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Posted by: krock on Mar 17, 2009 2:04 AM
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Great article, I've been severely disappointed lately by stuff like this. It's funny, to me anyway, that these corporations we stand by in this country like CL and PG, also have a taint to them that makes it necessary to hide, as much as possible, when they buy something that people are using to be 'good to themselves'.
Good work here, this is an excellent way to chip away at the Establishment.
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Mar 17, 2009 2:07 AM
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How can you tell, you ask? Occurs to me that a lot of folk own stock (hopefully not all in 401k's!).
After having read this article, I'm certainly going to trace the ownership of Hodgson's Mills
Oat Bran, and their Wheat Bran as well. I've been using those for decades in all kinds of cooking and baking.
Next time I go see my stockbroker, I'm going to ask him to check out who owns Hodgson's Mills...
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Posted by: abstractedaway on Mar 17, 2009 2:17 AM
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The way the big players are taking such a huge fall, leaving a lot of people with questions and disillusionment, means that we can and must sidestep the existing system. The laws of corporations guarantee that the end result will be that the bottom lines of CEOs and major shareholders are all that matter. Switching to a new brand name for its short lifespan until it succumbs to the system is no solution. Social responsibility just isn't a part of the contract, and that's where it all starts going wrong.
The current establishment cannot be contested on their own terms. The only meaningful conversation is how we are going to change the rules of the game. Instead, cultivate the alternatives, for example by networking existing independent producers and communities and keeping them independent. That which does the most to make the elite irrelevant disempowers them. That can get us traction for real change. We have got to organize to where we can effectively walk out of Rome.
"O cease to labour for the gold-toothed dead,
they are so greedy, yet so helpless if not worked for."
- D.H. Lawrence
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» RE: Okay, so where do we go?
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» "...a return to quiet, local employment, locally grown, locally made products..."
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» How could I forget? The "intellectual property rights" scam.
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Mar 17, 2009 2:18 AM
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What to do? How about buying some stock and then through proxy votes and contacting other share holders lobby to change corporate governance. It's a tough way to go but the alternative is making your own sneakers and tooth paste.
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Posted by: krock on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 AM
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A few years ago Apple was accused of having "too much cash" by a lot of the jokers calling themselves analysts. The reason that's important is that companies buying other companies is considered an acceptable, important, and necessary action to suck out more profit when you've maxed out what your base company can do.
Apple doesn't offer a dividend - so they have to justify that they can re-invest earnings better than you could. By holding money in cash, which, as the anal-ysts contend, just "sits there", you aren't actively re-investing that money, and it should go back out to the consum- I mean shareholder.
Understand where this is going - if enough of that talk builds up, Apple could face a shareholder revolt. It happens. They escape that by being flat out the best at what they do, so all people can do is grumble.
And of course, in what George Soros has called "The end of the World Economic System" Apple's cash reserves had them floating pretty nicely. Until recently they hadn't laid off so much as a janitor. While everyone else is hand-wringing about the lack of credit available, Apple has been getting by ok on all that cash "just sitting there".
A few weeks ago they finally laid off 50 employees - but the truth is it was the "Enterprise" division, which Steve Jobs has come just short of expressing loathing for - I won't go into that here since it's not relevant to the article.
But this understanding IS important - companies that don't buy other companies, that don't revolve on credit, that try to actually save money for times like these, are asking for real trouble. Madness, yes, but that's rampant capitalism for ya.
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 17, 2009 2:46 AM
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In studying charters from the Middle Ages to the present day, I found that they had two things in common: (1) the chartered body was not to be held accountable for wrong-doing and (2) they concentrated the decision-making power at the top.
The second explains why companies outsource their work abroad. The CEOs only care about rewarding themselves.
The UK is a plutocracy--rule by the rich, for the rich--and its US outpost is one too. That is why corporations are required by law to put profit (ostensibly for shareholders) above all other considerations.
If it feels to you like you're living in feudal times, it's because you are.
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Posted by: caducus on Mar 17, 2009 2:46 AM
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On the bright side, Clorox hasn't tweaked the formulas for their products (yet), so they are just as natural as they used to be. Truth be told, it's only a matter of time before a smaller, successful company is bought out by a larger corporation. This is the American way, haven't you studied up on your Rockefeller's and Carnegies? The easiest way to get into a new share of the market is to buy your way in. The flip side of this is that Clorox is now supplying natural products because consumers demand them.
Anyone want to throw down on shares of Burt's Bees/Tom's/etc. so we can take ownership back?
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» Yes, but
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» Clorax has "tweaked" Burt's Bees products
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» Omygawd you're right, you are all right!
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» Caducus - CAPitalists seek monopoly , NOT free enterprise...
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Mar 17, 2009 2:57 AM
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Truth is, anyone with working brain cells figured out the whole 'natural' scam a long time ago. I'm old enough to remember this started in the 70s and has been one of the most popular scams going.
You might remember the famous SNL skit about Quarry cereal ("It's better, because it's mined") which lampooned the whole craze. But Americans bought into it and as long as people trust corporations to bring them 'a slice of nature' in a semi, this will never end.
The story of Burt Shavitz is illustrative of why even the best of intentions cannot work in our culture - the money will eventually co-opt someone who will ruin the entire concept and sell out in order to "refurbish(es) fancy, swank homes in Florida, travels the world and buys massive chunks of land." It's the so-called 'American Dream.' It's as addictive as crack and just as dangerous to the planet.
It's truly a wonder why anyone even tries to do any good in the marketplace anymore. It's not set up for our best intentions.
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» RE: What about Hilal?
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» Organic is in a constant struggle against petro versions.
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» And I thought that the upcoming petro collapse was starting to give organic its life back. Questions
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» the upcoming petro collapse
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Posted by: seazen on Mar 17, 2009 4:38 AM
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I think we have to be focus on what the real ambition of those who really want our food and the products we put on our bodies to be natural is. Because the existing systems of production and distribution failed to deliver these more natural products, they had to start as small, entrepreneurial companies selling to the "already aware." That was fun, cool, and gratifying to many.
As the whole premise of natural products began to permeate the larger society, demand has grown far outstripping the ability of small organizations to meet it. That is success, folks! Look around and you will see that the whole foods arguments are even reshaping school cafeteria menus.
It would be a huge mistake to not insist on strong regulatory oversight on claims of "natural" and labeling. It would be just as bad to assume that larger organizations cannot bring these natural products to a much broader consumer base. It might not be so "cool" but again, what is the real goal here?
Small, local, sustainable, and organic is another piece of the broader set of ideals we might like to see but if we have already driven mega-corporation to the recognition that consumers are increasingly aware and demanding regarding their food - more power to us!
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Posted by: Edie Frederick on Mar 17, 2009 4:55 AM
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- The quality of our financial markets is a second question and a second sequel. You have already pointed to the causal role of VC funding in the case of Burt's Bees. What a story!
- A lot of this kind of migration of small brands is driven by the kinds of financing that has been available to entrepreneurs in the past decade. Angel investment and venture capital typically requires an exit strategy of an IPO or sale in a few years as part of their initial term sheets for a deal.
- We need better financing models, and need to look at the business operations of VCs that practice ‘triple bottom line’ principles. See
www.nmccap.org.
- We need better models for startup funding so that successful businesses can grow to depend upon their own revenues. Old-think
funding limits the triple-bottom-line options from the start.
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Mar 17, 2009 5:13 AM
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check out:
www.cornucopia.org flow chart
WHO OWNS ORGANIC?
this diagrams the takeover of 90% of American national "organic" brands of food. there is another link to privately owned, family organic businesses in America - currently there are only about 12 of these companies left, Lundberg rice farm, Newman's Own, Amy's Organics, Annie's Organics, Turtle Island Foods, Eden Foods and a few others.
I'm 54 and started eating organic/natural around 15 yrs old - way back in 1969. I worked in the organic foods industry back in the 1970's and 1980's when it was 100% small, indie family owned farms and manufacturers. Around 1990 - 1992 when the USDA got involved and created national/federal organic certification standards is exactly when Monsanto, DuPont, the biotechnology corporations and huge corporate agribusiness firms started gobbling up small, indie organic farms and food manufacturers.
The USDA organic certification label is next to worthless - it was created by our govt for the sole purpose of enabling huge corporations to buy up the organic foods industry and move it into wal-mart, costco, target and safeway.
as consumers get pickier wear you buy your food. whole foods is a crappy anti-labor joke, so is trader joe's (owned by a huge german transnational corporate conglomerate cartel).
shop at local farmers markets and find the organic growers, join a food coop and start working a community garden plot. if you are an apt dweller w/no back yard - grow tomatoes, vine berries, herbs in container pots on your apt balcony or front porch - create a buying club by organizing 15 people to buy whole cases in bulk from wholesale distributors and eliminate your dependence on shopping at huge corporate chain stores like whole foods and trader joe's - elminate the middleman by changing your shopping habits. If you can't grow your own veggies - you can SPROUT stuff in a glass jar with a screen on top to rinse the sprouts - if you have a window for sunshine you can grow fresh greens year round.
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» More gratuitous TJ's bashing from you
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» Don't forget Community Sponsored Agriculture.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 17, 2009 5:43 AM
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The Corp Whores on the Hill have allowed Corps to prey on small business- either driving them out of business by undercutting prices or just merely Devouring them outright.
This is why when the Repugs Cry 'Free market forces' they are full of shit. they have made it possible for Corps to dominate the Market place land scape. They have Killed Small Business by not enforcing antitrust laws. They have actually encouraged this predatory business model. Claiming it's 'Good for the Aemricna consumer'- Look at the influx of Chinese products being peddled by Walmart! Better of US that they cost less- except they also contain Txins and do not meet our product safety codes. Children being poisoned by Lead infested toys, Babies being snapped in half by defective Strollers. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!
Want to save money on that home construction- hire a non union contractor, using unskilled laborers- Great to have money in your pocket until the 2nd floor gives way on top of you.You knwo Why America has been the Econoic powerhouse of the World for nearly a century- because when we make something We make it Well!!We possess that Crazy thing Called Americna Pride. We are proud of the work we do,thus the Company we work for and our Country- all because we have proven to be the Best of the Best. That's why we cost a little more. as long as our Gov't or th eTop brass do not undercut US, we are the Greatest producers in the World. Had GM gone with the Electric Car in the '80's- Our Line would have built the Best. Even though an auto worker may work for Toyota, they got a 1966 Ford Mustang in the Garage just waiting for the next check to finish off that duel exhaust system. How many orginal models of these other foreign corps do you see flaunted on the roads come spring? How many times have you seen a revamped Model T? Or Studebaker...Far more.
Now the Repugs in congress have sold their souls, along with our country,it's workers and consumers to the Foreign Market. Importing more Shit products than allowing US to create or manufacture. This is the definition of 'UNAMERICAN"!!! They have killed the access to average citizens (Mom& Pops) to OUR Free Market. 'For the People and By the People' is not just a description of our Governing philosophy, but also our Free market ideology and handed it over to the Family Crest Corps and their Foreign Sponsors!!!
The REpugs Retain their Gang Color because it matches their RED COATS!!!!
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Posted by: mtnprivy on Mar 17, 2009 5:52 AM
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If you smear anything on your face, or your body, then you interfere with the function of your skin. Cosmetics are almost unregulated, based on a false assumption that skin is a complete barrier. Skin can be a worse place for contaminant chemicals than your stomach, because your digestion can process and eliminate many things. Skin cannot do this, but absorbs many things straight away.
Seems like the real "contamination" is the one between people's ears when they even need such an article. Right up there with "military intelligence" and "processed food" should be "trusted brands". If it has a label, then there is something to hide. If there is large print on the label, those are the lies. If there is print too small to read, then that is something close to the truth, that is legally required to be there.
If you can't buy your food from a local farm, then grow your own. Drop by that local farm often during the year. Surprise the farmer and see what he is up to, ask questions. If he/she seems evasive, then don't buy from them. In all cases . . . BUYER BEWARE . . . BUYER BEWARE . . . BUYER BEWARE ! ! !
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Mar 17, 2009 6:11 AM
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Much advertising as Amish.
Sorry folks. Manufactured in China.
Amish would not use such heaters.
Talk of misleading ads???
source-Washington Post
in mondays USA.
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» Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
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» Two minutes between posts. He doesn't read the articles
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 17, 2009 7:29 AM
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http://www.cornucopia.org/who-owns-organic/
Has three charts, organic owned by big nasty companies, independent organic (the ones to support with all your might), and grocery store brand and other private label organics.
To me, the thing to notice is whether or not the buying or "parent" company messes with the product. When Dean foods bought Horizon Organic, they ruined it. They cut corners on the organic processes and cut down on the cows' access to pasture. They were sued and lost, but I'm just not interested in buying from a company that is badly controlled by a parent company who doesn't believe in the value of organic production.
Burt's Bees and Ben & Jerry's still have the product integrity that made them great in the first place, but the consumer must always be vigilant.
In the end, here are the companies you want, the companies that are bearing the cost of real organic production while industrial scale organics and faux organics undercut them:
http://www.cornucopia.org/graphics/OrganicIndJul07.pdf
Except for these few brave companies, the best thing is to use ingredients instead of products, like glycerin or olive oil for hand and body lotion, olive oil w/ lemon peel for furniture polish, like baking soda for toothpaste, etc. There are whole books about making your own vs. using store products.
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Posted by: Higher Reptile on Mar 17, 2009 7:54 AM
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» Of course the FDA is toothless but no regulation is DANGEROUS !
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Posted by: HJamesDee on Mar 17, 2009 7:56 AM
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Almost every major scandal that one can think of can be traced back to some kind of corporate malfeasance. Considering most of our media is owned by said Corps. how can we be clearly informed? Sites like Alternet have to report on what is not being said.
Advancing stories from the blogospere and the MSM is pointless. That has already been said. All the news fit to print begs the critique what is not fit to print? Cleary it was sale of small grassroots companies to multinationals.
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Posted by: JTreeLife on Mar 17, 2009 8:03 AM
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This article touched on a very interesting point of capitalism. As Burt's Bees has become available at very large national chain stores, the small 'mom and pop' shops are desperately trying to dump their unsalable inventory, and find new unique companies (like us). Burt's trail of rapid growth has created a vacuum behind them, and there are plenty of small companies, that honestly represent our products and ownership, wiling and eager to fill that void!
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 17, 2009 8:32 AM
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I've also heard of the mildly under-educated who can't tell the difference between a FETUS & AFTERBIRTH.
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Posted by: kroltan on Mar 17, 2009 8:59 AM
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Posted by: Longdream on Mar 17, 2009 2:27 PM
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Take your disgusting filth out of here.
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Posted by: DeaconJ on Mar 17, 2009 8:23 AM
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I use products from mid-sized companies that have been around for ages. Companies like Concord grape juice and Cabbot Cheese dairy. They run with the big boys and are only owned by themselves.
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Posted by: Marie123 on Mar 17, 2009 8:34 AM
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http://nonais.org/sampleflyers/NoNAISHandout.pdf
The website, nonais.org, has info about all of the other dangerous legislation now pending. This is about your right to choose what you eat and who you buy from: your local farmer or Archer-Daniels-Midland.
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» Thanks, it has been going on already in small town MO and the results are heartbreaking !
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Posted by: alturn on Mar 17, 2009 8:42 AM
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The costs of gaining shelf space at a Whole Foods, Safeway, Wal Mart or other large retailer is no different than the hardware trade. Buyouts of competing brands, up front ad allowances (which sometimes are not even used to promote your product), end of year performance incentives (up to 5% of sales), terms where you ship and do not get paid for 6 months or more and spoilage allowances are among the many ways that the manufacturer gets chiseled down - all after being held up for the best price. These large mega chains also have a huge distaste for dealing with small firms - they see it as a financial liability - and tell you that to your face.
So in an industry that is consolidating or growing mainstream, the small manufacturer has little choice. Stay independent and become marginalized selling to a shrinking customer base. See the big guys knock off your product and run the category into the ground. Or raise the white flag and sell out.
It is not a fun choice, but such is the system of capitalism and competition that we have created.
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Posted by: promixr on Mar 17, 2009 8:45 AM
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... this whole thing is very frustrating to me- I have always tried to avoid the corporations...
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Posted by: jwverez on Mar 17, 2009 8:47 AM
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 17, 2009 8:48 AM
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Should a non-American company begin notice a small firm is beginning to take up more than 4% of "their" markets: American firms will ensure that company DIES.
Until now, the 'eating' was primarily directed at non-American companies... but those days are over... the sharks are circling closer to home & becoming ever more frantically cannibalistic...
a small venture is doomed:
...either it gets beaten to death with underhanded activities
("would you like a deal with our MegaCorp? why, we aren't JUST selling X! sure, you could buy THAT better product from THEM ... OR! you can realize we SELL EVERYTHING: buy THIS from us & you can also get a preferred car deal, a better credit card rate & we'll so steeply undercut our competition & provide your FINANCING, you'll get 2 years of product almost free!!")
OR:
...that MegaCorp decides, well, we can throw some money on this & it will simply be ours. We can ride out, pretend its an 'ethical' competition, or destroy that product, depending entirely on the internal politics of our MegaCorp silo divisions!
"THERE SHALL BE NOTHING LEFT FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO EVER COMPETE WITH US: the marketplace is CORPORATIZED"
its a World where nobody wants to build a company & give it to their children. Its a World where nobody CAN.
The ÜberRiche exist by ensuring WE REMAIN SINGLE GENERATION SUCCESSES
by ensuring THERE IS NEVER ANY ROOM FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
Its rather like stands of massive oak trees who drop thousands, if not millions, of toxic, herbicidal leaves & block out the Sun: kill the competition at all costs.
in a more human term: its economic clearcutting where NOBODY will have opportunity to carve out a future for themselves against a marketplace where THE CORPORATION is the only competitor for every resource...
& you'll be punished for trying.
Remember the Electric Car?
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Perspective.
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Posted by: jwverez on Mar 17, 2009 8:48 AM
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Posted by: BlackBook on Mar 17, 2009 9:04 AM
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Talk is cheap. All you're doing is documenting the iceberg while standing on the deck. Being right about all the problems is meaningless unless that knowledge leads to constructive action.
And if you can't endorse good products without getting yourself into a legal bind, fuck you. Playing by rules when the right thing demands breaking them shows yourself to be complicit with those responsible for creating the problematic rules. The rules were made by men and only have power because men refuse to buck them. If enough people ignore a rule, it goes away.
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Posted by: Higher Reptile on Mar 17, 2009 9:15 AM
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Posted by: chorton on Mar 17, 2009 9:15 AM
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This article is a contribution to that effort.
Millions of Americans believe in entrepreneurship, and entrepreneurs have done amazing things. This is and must be one of the creative engines we harness to the task of reinventing our economy out of the wreckage of the old one. However, the model of the socially-conscious independent entrepreneur building alternative enterprises that will thrive and multiply in the shadow of the great corporations and eventually displace them hasn't worked and won't work, unless we profoundly change the rules of the game.
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Posted by: Carm on Mar 17, 2009 9:34 AM
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Nice piece, and a lot of good research, but please note that the Danone yogurt pulled in Romania due to a dioxin scare was found NOT to contain any dioxin. Also, I'd like to reassure folks (as you did) that Stonyfield continues to keep its mission flags flying, and I ought to know: I hoist those suckers every day when I report to work at the Stonyfield Yogurt Works...We're all still working on behalf of healthy food, healthy people and a healthy planet.
Carmelle
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Posted by: elsielyn on Mar 17, 2009 9:51 AM
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Posted by: folkie on Mar 17, 2009 10:19 AM
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"Act local, buy only essentials."
Sometimes I take online surveys and they'll have a long list of brand names and ask which ones I've purchased in the past six months. It feels good to be able to check the box for "none of the above."
The comment I found most informative was Colleen Whalen's "Shop @ Farmers Markets, Join A Coop & Community Garden Plot." I do "shop at local farmers markets," checked into but haven't been able to join a food coop or CSA, will "start working a community garden plot" soon, and as an apartment dweller, intend to "grow tomatoes, vine berries, herbs in...container pots on...(my little)...balcony."
I've reduced my shopping at Trader Joe's but still go there about once a month and will try to eliminate that completely. I've been buying butter and margarine there and I'm sure I'll find a workaround if I keep looking. I buy veggies at the farmers' market, steam them, and then smear them with butter or margarine because I'm lazy, I'm not much of a cook, and that's a quick and tasty way to eat. I just bought some hempseed oil and I'll try that and see if it works instead of butter or margarine.
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Posted by: MiiPandaa on Mar 17, 2009 10:27 AM
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However, you may want to police your advertising contracts more closely, to avoid the following. Could it really have been your intent or even your tolerance to allow an ad for envirodisaster Fiji Water to show up alongside this article?
I'm frankly surprised that AlterNet would allow a Fiji ad at all; to see one next to an article about marketing megaliths was particularly jarring.
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Posted by: doodahman on Mar 17, 2009 10:31 AM
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What I would have liked to learn about is whether the contents, recipes and production methods of the newly bought brands changed and if so, to what extent. Nothing here about that, however.
In particular, I am a Tom's Toothpaste user-- not because it was eco-friendly but because it was awesome. Though Tom's is more widely available, I'm not sure it's the same Tom's. It doesn't seem to leave me as kissing sweet as it used to-- I ascribe this to a change in ingredients, which probably means less mint oil or whatever they use to mint-ify it. Has anyone else noticed this?
Other than a deterioration in quality or the use of eco-damaging processes in lieu of the original processes, I'm not sure why it matters that the companies are owned by soulless conglomerates. And if the products are changed for the worse, certainly it opens the market for another cottage innovator.
Not to say that Clorox and Coke and the rest aren't scum worthy of being tortured to death, but I'm not sure if buying Bert's Bees and Tom's Toothpaste is a particularly good justification.
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Posted by: chlamor on Mar 17, 2009 10:36 AM
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It has to do with some messed-up middle class liberal-elite culture of messed-up white people striving and succeeding and living a messed-up so-called lifestyle and being self-indulgent jerks wasting all of our time.
It doesn't take years of study, or deep understanding, or special knowledge, or the right guru, or the right product.
Just look around everyday, all day, everywhere you go. And it doesn't take baby steps, we aren't on the path to anything, we aren't getting there, we aren't improving and all of the rest of that drama.
The hard, miserable work, the really difficult, soul-smashing thing to do, is to keep participating in this ongoing and omnipresent and insane discussion going on all the time by the upwardly mobile good people. It takes a huge amount of thought, time, and energy; it is immensely unpleasant and stressful, to play along and keep propping up an insane world view..... It only sounds weird, or difficult to fathom or grasp, because we are embedded in an ongoing insane set of social interactions.
Modern liberalism is occupying the space where the Left should be, confusing and misleading people, steering people away from accurate perceptions and clouding their minds, preventing them from asking the right questions because they think they already have the answers. That is dead wood that needs clearing. If we are willing to kick over the beehive of modern liberalism you will see the true face and the true nature of the ruling class war against the people with crystal clarity. As it is, we can't even see the enemy now. We are looking out the tent flap watching for the approach of those dreaded right wingers, and the enemy is behind us right in our own tent.
“For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of society, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think you’ve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society...a radical redistribution of political and economic power.”
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» No one can be "...more likely to screw things up" than those that HAVE, in fact already done so.
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Posted by: willymack on Mar 17, 2009 10:58 AM
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Posted by: grumble-bum on Mar 17, 2009 11:17 AM
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I almost stopped reading right there, in disgust.
Thankfully, I kept reading, & found that while the article contains a whole lot of non-shocking "old news" for someone in the industry, it should be required reading for anyone who thinks that the "natural" brands they buy really do anyone any "greater" good.
This is the reality: If you see it on shelves outside of a few small, local stores, it simply isn't what it implies itself to be. There is no way a small, independent company can do that. Not only due to the sheer scale of production, but because of the cutthroat netherworld of shelving fees, etc. Any delusions that Burt is somewhere putting all that beeswax into jars, just for you, needs to be erased.
Some of these national-scale "natural" products still do some good for the communities they are based in, & in the world of food many solve the scale problem by drawing from a pool of small family farms that grow to their specifications. So the argument could be made that this is an acceptable trade-off.
For those who really want to put their shopping dollar to the best possible use, follow the recommendations of numerous posters on this thread: Join a CSA, visit the farmer's markets (which are popping up everywhere, including the inner cities), or become a member of your local co-op grocery. Buy locally whenever possible, in preference to buying "organics".
You probably won't be able to completely escape the tentacles of these internationally conglomerated "natural" companies, but you'll feel better about your overall choices, as well as your increased knowledge.
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Posted by: jrbq on Mar 17, 2009 11:27 AM
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Two short overviews of real people who founded healthfood cereal companies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._W._Post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg
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Posted by: rover on Mar 17, 2009 11:31 AM
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The products are great, the people are great and I have barely aged:) I know that it is difficult for them to stay independent in an era of big companies and big profits, but I'm glad that they're trying!
I'm hopeful that there will always be room for independence.
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Posted by: off-the-radar 2 on Mar 17, 2009 11:38 AM
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And good reinforcement for me to continue to make my own stuff and to buy local, local, local and unprocessed.
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Posted by: reidhaus on Mar 17, 2009 11:39 AM
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Posted by: stina723 on Mar 17, 2009 11:53 AM
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For example - I would love to know how Dagoba chocolate is produced and if the ingredients are actually organic as stated on the label. Are Dagoba chocolate bars being produced on the same assembly line as Hershey's kisses? If Dagoba chocolate bars were analyzed in a lab, I wonder what the results would be? If pesticide/herbicide residues would be found? Or traces of heavy metals?
Go small - almost all personal hygiene products can be made at home with a couple simple ingredients. I make my own toothpaste, mouthwash, facial cleanser, toner and wrinkle cream. It doesn't take much time (I make mass quantities at a time) and it will save you $$.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 17, 2009 12:02 PM
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My kids think of bran-anthro as a hobby... they love to track stuff down.
I never know what to make of the whole dilemma so I have to shrink it to my own family's scale: if it makes rich people richer, we're not having it. We're lower class and we're not betraying our interests so some rich asshole can get richer. I don't give a whit's shit if that rich asshole is helping them planet or not. Odds are if he's a rich asshole he ain't, period. Behind every rich person is a crime, all you gotta do is look.
Over the past few years, mostly because we have less and less money all the damned time, we've been downscaling and locavoring more and more. All our nut butters, jams and produce come from people within 50 miles of us and we know the people we buy them from. Cereal grains, same thing. We buy them in bulk off the back of the truck. We still have to use the stores on occasion and we do the best we can to favor smaller companies. Sometimes it's impossible, but surrendering a dime to the owning class is better than tendering a dollar to the bastards so... there it is.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Mar 17, 2009 12:12 PM
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yes, this story deserves much follow-up...
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Mar 17, 2009 12:16 PM
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We couldn't use harsh flea medication because the puppies were too young, but we took them out of the house and set off insecticide bombs everywhere. We got the best flea medicine for the pups' age from the vet and bathed them along with our other dogs. There was no change in the number of fleas.
Fortunately, I had a friend who made her own soap, and I asked her for a recipe. I didn't make my own soap, and I admit to using a the cheapest shampoo I could find (but anyone who wants to do this can get a better option at a healthfood store or co-op), but it was a miracle. Here is the recipe:
8 oz of shampoo of any kind (baby shampoo or Dr. Bronner's is good)
2 drops each the following essential oils
lemon
citronella
cedar
lavender
peppermint
I got the essential oils in a local natural foods store. I bathed all the dogs using the shampoo with oils, and when I got done with each dog, the entire bottom of the tub was covered with dead fleas.
Then I made a spray using 16 oz of water with a couple drops of each of the essential oils. We used it on our carpets, bedding, and furniture every day for about 2 weeks and vacuumed the house nearly every day.
As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, that was 10 years ago. We have had virtually no flea problem since then. My friend who gave me the recipe said the same thing. In fact the other day, two of the dogs squeezed under my fence, ran off to the neighbor's field, and had a great time rolling in cow dung. They were in great need of a bath, and there was not one flea in the tub when I was done.
The water spray can be used for insect repellent, too. I keep the oils around just in case there's a problem again, for the insect repellent, and when I bath the dogs - although I never see fleas on them. The cost for the oils was about $30, but I shared them with a whole lot of other people.
Compared to fumigating, chemicals, and other solutions, this was fairly inexpensive, absolutely minimally time-consuming, and very, very effective.
I have friends who consistently make their own soap, insect repellents, and other items. It takes research and some time, but for anyone who wants to do it, there are alternatives to big corporation products.
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Posted by: Raver on Mar 17, 2009 2:03 PM
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Again, great article.
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Posted by: emmv on Mar 17, 2009 2:19 PM
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chart at www.organicconsumers.org. Go to this link to see poster
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We had the chart on our fridge and people were always surprised to see how the little companies have been sucked up by big ones.
I'd like to think that Nature's Path in Canada is still a good company to buy from--anyone know?
Amazing how many posts have appeared in one day! We all seem to care about this topic.
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Posted by: Darklady on Mar 17, 2009 3:29 PM
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It's charming to expect hard working people to stay poor forever so our collective conscience can be soothed, but the fact is that most self-employed people would like to eventually get to bed at a decent hour and not cringe every time the mail brings a bill or a tax statement. Hell, I know I'd like to indulge in that thing called "health insurance." If I get a really good paying job with a big company, will that mean I've "sold out?"
There's a lot of bad that can be said about some of the mega corps that dominate our consumer realities -- but I'm kinda at a loss as to what those things are in the case of paying good money for good products that fit with my environmental morality. Who's the bad guy here? The big company for buying and maintaining an ethical brand -- or the original owners of that ethical brand for wanting to do something other than work themselves to death?
Maybe there doesn't have to be a bad guy?
I hear similar complaints in my line of work as a reviewer for adult videos and other products. People complain loudly about how there's nothing that satisfies their personal view of sexuality -- but they ignore or simply refuse to invest in products that do precisely that! Then the product either vanishes or "sells out."
Personally, I say put your money where your moral values are... and don't bitch so much when the little guy finally gets a chance to savor financial success.
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Posted by: Longdream on Mar 17, 2009 3:31 PM
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Except for the egg man who charges only two bucks a dozen, everything at the independents is a little more expensive than at the chain, but the neighborhood buys there anyway, because we wouldn't want to live without them.
But here's the thing: The local pop-stand and driving range sold out a while ago, and we know that a Stop $ Shop is coming to the spot. It's been a long time coming, passed all it's permits, jumped through all the hoops, etc. But it's going to disrupt traffic, be a nuisance to the abutters--quiet one-family homes on small lots, and take business from the locally owned markets. WE DID NOT NEEEEEED A STOP $ SHOP!! AND MOST OF US DO NOT WANT ONE.
We've got lawn signs up saying Stop Stop $ Shop, and we harass our little town moderators and we scream and holler at the town meetings, but it's a done deal. They're going to build it this Spring. (Oooh! I just thought of something! We can lie in front of the bulldozers! I'M SERIOUS!!)
Back to business: This is the critical thing, and sooner or later a lot of us will have to face it. I've made a commitment to pay a little more so that my locals can continue to thrive. We who aren't in a critical money situation need to take the time and the trouble to go two or three places to complete our shopping and spend the extra money to keep the independents going.
It's vitally important that we do that, so when this situation comes to a street near you, start the rabble, picket the lot, do the best you can, and don't let the independents die.
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 17, 2009 3:44 PM
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I have two apple trees in my very small back garden (approx 17' x 35') and four hens.
My generation was brought up upon stories such as Johnny Appleseed, Helen Keller and Balto the Wonderdog, not Paris Hilton. Lucky us!
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Posted by: DrXyzzy on Mar 17, 2009 4:28 PM
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I first heard this figure from Maude Barlow in the excellent documentary, Blue Gold: World Water Wars.
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Posted by: artie on Mar 17, 2009 5:45 PM
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Generally, the US consumers' behaviour is virtually the same as the CEOs of the conglomerates.... It was this behaviour that put them there! Yes, it costs more at the 'Mom n' Pop,' but the money spent is not only a vehicle for feeding my children, but for sustaining the social, economic, ecological fabric that articulates the socio-political animal that Aristotle said we were - something that money CANNOT buy!! To NOT be conscious of such a banal, such a mundane, a garden fact is, nowadays, simply unconscionable....
If not as elementary a fact as the dangers of second-hand smoke, it is even more transparent a fact that "consumption" is a morally assessable activity!
Folks, wake up! Read labels, buy genuinely 'local'! Recognize your responsibility for the world's ills and begin to contribute therapy!!
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Mar 17, 2009 7:46 PM
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Arrowhead water is now owned by Nestle Corporation and the only thing you can be sure of is that it is bottled somewhere in the United States from some undisclosed source.
It may be better tp go back tp tap water and work on improving the delivery system so that the need for bottled water is obviated.
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Posted by: HaleAloha on Mar 17, 2009 9:16 PM
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Aloha
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Posted by: lis_kwells on Mar 17, 2009 10:16 PM
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Usually this process sucks out the core of any independent movement. Look what it's done to "rock and roll," for instance, or "peace and love" in the '70s and currently. As we speak the peace sign is again becoming a hot commodity, and irrelevant, as it bleeds value and meaning.
I think we should buy less and also try to buy local. But I also think we should be cognizant of the relationship between activism and shopping. Too much emphasis has been on buying.
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Posted by: rtdrury on Mar 17, 2009 10:43 PM
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The elites carefully watch the trends and the entrepreneurs who cater to "early adopters". When it's time for the product to go mainstream, the elites get together with the entrepreneurs and cut a deal for the small business to be consolidated into the big business. This is considered "just the way it is" because Thatcher said "there are no alternatives", etc.
Since greed is good in the USA, USans settle for the bait: not to grow a business to serve the society, but to grow one to sell later for riches. This is a very important element of the USA's grave problem today because so many USans are driven by the entrepreneurial call, and poor conditions for workers are tolerated precisely because USans have this entrepreneurial opportunity as an option.
People can avoid contributing to this problem by patronizing only the authentic small businesses. Civic-minded people can build systems that help us train ourselves to recognize athentic small businesses, and also build systems that help small businesses compete.
If you look for example at the Japanese economy, some great majority, perhaps as high as 90%, of the domestic markets are served by small businesses. The Japanese godzilla corporations serve mostly export. The Japanese have long protected themselves, at least comparatively, from the social breakdown that comes with elite domination of markets and society.
But Japan is not the only society that puts a priority on protecting itself from elite greed. Many societies on the planet seem to recognize the importance of localism, despite US attempts to spread the globalism gospel.
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Posted by: eres on Mar 17, 2009 11:10 PM
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As a resident of California, I can assure you that the picture is bleak. Business after business is either closing their doors, laying off workers or issuing hiring freezes. The cost of living is higher in most cities here than anywhere else in the U.S. except perhaps N.Y.C.
If you are a California resident, please take the time to call or write your state Assembly member and demand they do the right thing by the residents of California.
This could mean the difference between a family losing the roof over their head, a child eating a hot meal. We cannot allow the GOP to continue to create crises after crises while lining their pockets with corporate bribes and taxpayers funds.
Please, take a moment and share your thoughts with these people whom, quite simply, have no sense of humanity.
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Posted by: Talleyrand on Mar 18, 2009 1:17 AM
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Any resistance to these individual-less "corporations" is met by an accusation of "socialism" and has been for the past 150 years or so. The news media have conscientiously avoided touching the subject, big remains beautiful...
We all had read Brave New World, right? Did we understand it?
The only resistance lies in boycotting. That takes education and discipline. Which are sorely lacking in our society.
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Posted by: Talleyrand on Mar 18, 2009 1:22 AM
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The locval water utility ran a campaign a few years back pointing out that the water from Munich's taps was far better than the stuff people were buying from markets. The water bottlers banded together and forced the utility to stop running the ads.
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Posted by: julie446 on Mar 18, 2009 9:32 AM
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Posted by: muzunguhowru on Mar 18, 2009 12:03 PM
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Corporations are just meeting a demand. That's their job...
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Posted by: truthteller on Mar 18, 2009 12:21 PM
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Not being sold retail in the U. S., I assumed that it was a strictly local Swiss product so I decided to search it out on the internet to see if I could mail-order some more. Well, you either guessed or know that Cailler is owned by Nestle, which I could have found out if I had bothered to look at the incredibly small print on one of the boxes. Being a true chocaholic, I still tried to see if I could import some of the varieties I had bought locally in Switzerland. Going through the Nestle and Cailler websites, it becomes clear that they tightly control which varieties they are even willing to sell by mail-order to the U. S. They say they choose to market by the tastes of the countries they are operating in. I guess that means Nestle sells the blander type chocolates here, and the real deal only over there. Just another way multi-nationals take away variety and choice. Callier has been owned by Nestle since 1929. Yes, I was somewhat chagrinned to learn that I really loved something made by them, but their cordial cherries (Eden Kirsch) are to die for!
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Posted by: Joyce4343 on Mar 18, 2009 3:31 PM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 18, 2009 9:49 PM
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Sure, there's more chlorine in tap water, and it doesn't always taste as good (although there's a "mountain spring water" company local to here whose water tastes EXACTLY like tap water!); but at least I won't get "the trots" from drinking tap water. And I save two bucks to boot!
The answer to tap water taste? One word: Brita.
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Posted by: mrxls on Mar 19, 2009 11:16 PM
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Muir Glen is an example of corporate criminality. After the company was absorbed into the belly of the beast the new parent shuttered the small high quality canning facility and substituted lower quality (but certified organic) tomato products. Not content with that dilution they added sugar aka "evaporated cane juice" to all the tomato sauce products and had the balls to come out with a line of sugar laced canned soups.
Hain (and they own dozens of brands) is nothing but a marketing company with no concern for anything but profits. It is a shame so many companies built by idealistic entrapeneurs have ended up in their dead hands.
I would like to see a label requirement disclosing the ultimate owner of a brand.
There are still good independent companies on the shelves - Eden foods, Natures path, Traditional Medicinals plus lots of quirky new start ups.
Don't give up and vote with your dollars.
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Posted by: robertschnitzer on Mar 20, 2009 1:23 AM
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Posted by: MartinD on Mar 20, 2009 3:08 PM
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What she needs to show is that x product actually uses inferior ingredients now they have been bought out. On the other hand many bought out companies maintain their former values as long as they keep the money profits flowing-but they are vulnerable.
Consolidation does result in workforce shrinkage. Odwalla is an example, when it bought a small local juice company in Bellingham, WA. it closed down the local juice plant used it as a warehouse and laid off most of the staff. By the way contracts with Odwalla were banned by the Pentagon for sanitary inadequacies, and it never was organic just a cutsy label. All this happened before Odwalla itself was gobbled up; small players can play badly too.
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Posted by: argusbeadie on Mar 21, 2009 7:04 PM
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Barbara Kingsolver recounts in her non-fiction book "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle: A Year of Food Life" that many of our favorite seed catalogs are supplied by Monsanto, that purveyor of gentically-modified "Roundup Ready" seeds. She says,
". . . Home gardeners . . rarely suspect when placing seed orders from Johnny's, Territorial, Nichols, Stokes, and dozens of other catalogs that they're likely buying from Monsanto. In its 2005 annual report, Monsanto describes its creation of American Seeds Inc. as a licensing channel that "allows us to marry our technology with the high-touch, local face of regional seed companies." (p. 32)
Folks who buy heirloom variety seeds and grow organically are not likely to welcome either corporate control or Monsanto's "technology" - genetic modifications that are often calculated to extend Monsanto's power over the supply and characteristics of seeds.
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Posted by: kenhull on Mar 23, 2009 9:16 AM
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If you're from the central PA region, I've written a book called going LOCAL! it's about locally owned eateries, pubs and cafes. However, I'm working on a new book now to debut this fall about how to support local farms, farmers and food producers while eating at home and enjoying a healthy meal alone, with friends, or family. The title will be growing LOCAL! An Adventurer’s Guide for the Modern Hunter Gatherer; Farmers’ Markets, Family Farms and Eating Fresh in Central PA. I'll be exploring and researching for it all spring and summer, and am excited to publish it and share my findings. If you're interested in supporting my efforts, please go to my website and click "contact" or email me direct at ken@kenhull.com to be put on my email list in order for me to keep you posted.
Thank You!
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Posted by: bradr on Mar 24, 2009 7:57 PM
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The meat of the matter is what goes into the products, how and by whom they're produced, how and by whom they're brought to market. You haven't given us any information to judge whether those factors have changed for better or for worse (or not at all, though that seems unlikely) in these cases. Until you do, it's sophomoric to pass judgment. If Tom's toothpaste contains well chosen and well sourced ingredients and the new ownership allows such a superior product to get into the hands of greater numbers of toothbrushers, might that not be, on balance, a good thing? Might it not help develop a sorely needed market for such products, and encourage other entrepeneurs with the prospect of scale and success?
I don't mean to suggest that it's an uncomplicated issue -- quite the opposite, in fact. A more thorough examination seems worthwhile.
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Posted by: Say wha? on Mar 26, 2009 2:38 PM
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WAITER, THERE'S A CORPORATION IN MY GRANOLA
"The organics movement flew under the radar of mega-food producers for years. As far as big business was concerned, this faction was no more than a few hippies raising limp, bug-ridden vegetables on the tiniest parcels of land. These scrappy idealists were hardly competition.
Over time, however, and as the popularity and purported benefits of organic foods crested to new sales figure heights, big business woke up. Today, the organics movement has become a victim of its own success, with corporate dogs tearing at each other for profits.
Cascadian Farms is a popular natural and organic foods brand, one that has been around for a long time fighting the good fight. It says so, right there on the box. The cereal is healthful and tasty. The copy and graphics on the box are warm and comforting. Together, they assure you of your wise investment in the product. Chewing your breakfast, you're satisfied that you've spent twice what you could have on another brand because the story on the back of the box reads like a hearty pat on the back.
Since 1972, the story goes, Cascadian Farms has been producing small batches of all-natural goodness you can be proud of. It goes on to pledge that, even today, its goal is to provide you with natural foodstuffs you can believe in because, well, these guys are a small, grass-roots sort of people. And you know whatever they do with the money you spent their way, it'll be a good thing.
What you might not know is that this company no longer exists in its original form - it was bought out by Small Planet Foods, whose principal stockholder is General Mills, which in turn is owned primarily by such companies as Chevron, Disney, DuPont, ExxonMobile, General Electric, McDonald's, Monsanto, Nike, PepsiCo, Pfizer, Phillip Morris, Starbucks, Target and Texas Instruments.
Why didn't Cascadian Farms mention that on the back of its cereal box? And are these companies, some of which manufacture pesticides, cigarettes and weapons, ones you would trust to help propagate quality standards within the organic and natural foods industry?
Take a look at a few more products that a shopper of organic and natural foods might recognize: Garden of Eatin', Health Valley, Terra Chips, Westbrae, Celestial Seasonings and more are all owned by Hain Food Group, whose principal stockholders include Bank of America, Entergy Nuclear, ExxonMobile, H.J. Heinz, Lockheed Martin, Merck, Monsanto, Pfizer, Phillip Morris, Citigroup and Wal-Mart. Balance Bar and Boca Burger are both owned by Kraft Foods, whose principal stockholder is Phillip Morris, home of the Marlboro Man.
Horizon Dairy and Silk Soy Milk are owned by Dean Foods, whose stockholders include Home Depot, Exxon Mobile, General Electric, Microsoft, Phillip Morris and Wal-Mart.
Kashi is owned by Kellogg's. Knudsen is owned by Smucker's. Odwalla is owned by Coca-Cola. Seeds of Change is owned by M&M Mars. Ben & Jerry's is owned by Unilever. The "small is beautiful" ethos behind the organic movement is almost a relic of its past.
The list goes on and, though the small company names change from box to box as you peruse the aisles, one thing remains constant: incestuous corporate parenthood.
Some would argue that the interest of large corporations in the organics industry is a move in the right direction, that more money and power available is a means to not only sustain, but expand the market. Yet there's evidence of political maneuvering perpetrated by lobbyists and other interest groups who either work for or are affiliated..."
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Posted by: lotus1156 on Mar 29, 2009 1:28 PM
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Thanks
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Posted by: jharris2000 on Mar 31, 2009 2:36 PM
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One last remark about guys like Burt of "Burt's Bees". Their not greedy or lazy; they're outgunned. If they want to stay in business and keep selling honey, they can. But if they want to grow into a regional firm with annual sales of 10-15 million and maybe even go public, then you're going to start smelling pretty good to one of those money machine corporations out there trolling for profit centers. Those guys can bump you into the corners so hard and so often, you'll want to give up. You have to choose; run with the big dogs or stay on the porch. Burt likes it on the porch but his girlfriend likes to run with the big ones. So who's "good" and who's "bad" in this scenario?
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Posted by: krock on Mar 17, 2009 2:04 AM
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Great article, I've been severely disappointed lately by stuff like this. It's funny, to me anyway, that these corporations we stand by in this country like CL and PG, also have a taint to them that makes it necessary to hide, as much as possible, when they buy something that people are using to be 'good to themselves'.
Good work here, this is an excellent way to chip away at the Establishment.
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Mar 17, 2009 2:07 AM
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How can you tell, you ask? Occurs to me that a lot of folk own stock (hopefully not all in 401k's!).
After having read this article, I'm certainly going to trace the ownership of Hodgson's Mills
Oat Bran, and their Wheat Bran as well. I've been using those for decades in all kinds of cooking and baking.
Next time I go see my stockbroker, I'm going to ask him to check out who owns Hodgson's Mills...
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Posted by: abstractedaway on Mar 17, 2009 2:17 AM
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The way the big players are taking such a huge fall, leaving a lot of people with questions and disillusionment, means that we can and must sidestep the existing system. The laws of corporations guarantee that the end result will be that the bottom lines of CEOs and major shareholders are all that matter. Switching to a new brand name for its short lifespan until it succumbs to the system is no solution. Social responsibility just isn't a part of the contract, and that's where it all starts going wrong.
The current establishment cannot be contested on their own terms. The only meaningful conversation is how we are going to change the rules of the game. Instead, cultivate the alternatives, for example by networking existing independent producers and communities and keeping them independent. That which does the most to make the elite irrelevant disempowers them. That can get us traction for real change. We have got to organize to where we can effectively walk out of Rome.
"O cease to labour for the gold-toothed dead,
they are so greedy, yet so helpless if not worked for."
- D.H. Lawrence
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» "...a return to quiet, local employment, locally grown, locally made products..."
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» How could I forget? The "intellectual property rights" scam.
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Mar 17, 2009 2:18 AM
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What to do? How about buying some stock and then through proxy votes and contacting other share holders lobby to change corporate governance. It's a tough way to go but the alternative is making your own sneakers and tooth paste.
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Posted by: krock on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 AM
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A few years ago Apple was accused of having "too much cash" by a lot of the jokers calling themselves analysts. The reason that's important is that companies buying other companies is considered an acceptable, important, and necessary action to suck out more profit when you've maxed out what your base company can do.
Apple doesn't offer a dividend - so they have to justify that they can re-invest earnings better than you could. By holding money in cash, which, as the anal-ysts contend, just "sits there", you aren't actively re-investing that money, and it should go back out to the consum- I mean shareholder.
Understand where this is going - if enough of that talk builds up, Apple could face a shareholder revolt. It happens. They escape that by being flat out the best at what they do, so all people can do is grumble.
And of course, in what George Soros has called "The end of the World Economic System" Apple's cash reserves had them floating pretty nicely. Until recently they hadn't laid off so much as a janitor. While everyone else is hand-wringing about the lack of credit available, Apple has been getting by ok on all that cash "just sitting there".
A few weeks ago they finally laid off 50 employees - but the truth is it was the "Enterprise" division, which Steve Jobs has come just short of expressing loathing for - I won't go into that here since it's not relevant to the article.
But this understanding IS important - companies that don't buy other companies, that don't revolve on credit, that try to actually save money for times like these, are asking for real trouble. Madness, yes, but that's rampant capitalism for ya.
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 17, 2009 2:46 AM
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In studying charters from the Middle Ages to the present day, I found that they had two things in common: (1) the chartered body was not to be held accountable for wrong-doing and (2) they concentrated the decision-making power at the top.
The second explains why companies outsource their work abroad. The CEOs only care about rewarding themselves.
The UK is a plutocracy--rule by the rich, for the rich--and its US outpost is one too. That is why corporations are required by law to put profit (ostensibly for shareholders) above all other considerations.
If it feels to you like you're living in feudal times, it's because you are.
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Posted by: caducus on Mar 17, 2009 2:46 AM
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On the bright side, Clorox hasn't tweaked the formulas for their products (yet), so they are just as natural as they used to be. Truth be told, it's only a matter of time before a smaller, successful company is bought out by a larger corporation. This is the American way, haven't you studied up on your Rockefeller's and Carnegies? The easiest way to get into a new share of the market is to buy your way in. The flip side of this is that Clorox is now supplying natural products because consumers demand them.
Anyone want to throw down on shares of Burt's Bees/Tom's/etc. so we can take ownership back?
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Mar 17, 2009 2:57 AM
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Truth is, anyone with working brain cells figured out the whole 'natural' scam a long time ago. I'm old enough to remember this started in the 70s and has been one of the most popular scams going.
You might remember the famous SNL skit about Quarry cereal ("It's better, because it's mined") which lampooned the whole craze. But Americans bought into it and as long as people trust corporations to bring them 'a slice of nature' in a semi, this will never end.
The story of Burt Shavitz is illustrative of why even the best of intentions cannot work in our culture - the money will eventually co-opt someone who will ruin the entire concept and sell out in order to "refurbish(es) fancy, swank homes in Florida, travels the world and buys massive chunks of land." It's the so-called 'American Dream.' It's as addictive as crack and just as dangerous to the planet.
It's truly a wonder why anyone even tries to do any good in the marketplace anymore. It's not set up for our best intentions.
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Posted by: seazen on Mar 17, 2009 4:38 AM
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I think we have to be focus on what the real ambition of those who really want our food and the products we put on our bodies to be natural is. Because the existing systems of production and distribution failed to deliver these more natural products, they had to start as small, entrepreneurial companies selling to the "already aware." That was fun, cool, and gratifying to many.
As the whole premise of natural products began to permeate the larger society, demand has grown far outstripping the ability of small organizations to meet it. That is success, folks! Look around and you will see that the whole foods arguments are even reshaping school cafeteria menus.
It would be a huge mistake to not insist on strong regulatory oversight on claims of "natural" and labeling. It would be just as bad to assume that larger organizations cannot bring these natural products to a much broader consumer base. It might not be so "cool" but again, what is the real goal here?
Small, local, sustainable, and organic is another piece of the broader set of ideals we might like to see but if we have already driven mega-corporation to the recognition that consumers are increasingly aware and demanding regarding their food - more power to us!
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- The quality of our financial markets is a second question and a second sequel. You have already pointed to the causal role of VC funding in the case of Burt's Bees. What a story!
- A lot of this kind of migration of small brands is driven by the kinds of financing that has been available to entrepreneurs in the past decade. Angel investment and venture capital typically requires an exit strategy of an IPO or sale in a few years as part of their initial term sheets for a deal.
- We need better financing models, and need to look at the business operations of VCs that practice ‘triple bottom line’ principles. See
www.nmccap.org.
- We need better models for startup funding so that successful businesses can grow to depend upon their own revenues. Old-think
funding limits the triple-bottom-line options from the start.
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Mar 17, 2009 5:13 AM
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check out:
www.cornucopia.org flow chart
WHO OWNS ORGANIC?
this diagrams the takeover of 90% of American national "organic" brands of food. there is another link to privately owned, family organic businesses in America - currently there are only about 12 of these companies left, Lundberg rice farm, Newman's Own, Amy's Organics, Annie's Organics, Turtle Island Foods, Eden Foods and a few others.
I'm 54 and started eating organic/natural around 15 yrs old - way back in 1969. I worked in the organic foods industry back in the 1970's and 1980's when it was 100% small, indie family owned farms and manufacturers. Around 1990 - 1992 when the USDA got involved and created national/federal organic certification standards is exactly when Monsanto, DuPont, the biotechnology corporations and huge corporate agribusiness firms started gobbling up small, indie organic farms and food manufacturers.
The USDA organic certification label is next to worthless - it was created by our govt for the sole purpose of enabling huge corporations to buy up the organic foods industry and move it into wal-mart, costco, target and safeway.
as consumers get pickier wear you buy your food. whole foods is a crappy anti-labor joke, so is trader joe's (owned by a huge german transnational corporate conglomerate cartel).
shop at local farmers markets and find the organic growers, join a food coop and start working a community garden plot. if you are an apt dweller w/no back yard - grow tomatoes, vine berries, herbs in container pots on your apt balcony or front porch - create a buying club by organizing 15 people to buy whole cases in bulk from wholesale distributors and eliminate your dependence on shopping at huge corporate chain stores like whole foods and trader joe's - elminate the middleman by changing your shopping habits. If you can't grow your own veggies - you can SPROUT stuff in a glass jar with a screen on top to rinse the sprouts - if you have a window for sunshine you can grow fresh greens year round.
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Posted by: inanaturallight on Mar 17, 2009 5:42 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 17, 2009 5:43 AM
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The Corp Whores on the Hill have allowed Corps to prey on small business- either driving them out of business by undercutting prices or just merely Devouring them outright.
This is why when the Repugs Cry 'Free market forces' they are full of shit. they have made it possible for Corps to dominate the Market place land scape. They have Killed Small Business by not enforcing antitrust laws. They have actually encouraged this predatory business model. Claiming it's 'Good for the Aemricna consumer'- Look at the influx of Chinese products being peddled by Walmart! Better of US that they cost less- except they also contain Txins and do not meet our product safety codes. Children being poisoned by Lead infested toys, Babies being snapped in half by defective Strollers. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!
Want to save money on that home construction- hire a non union contractor, using unskilled laborers- Great to have money in your pocket until the 2nd floor gives way on top of you.You knwo Why America has been the Econoic powerhouse of the World for nearly a century- because when we make something We make it Well!!We possess that Crazy thing Called Americna Pride. We are proud of the work we do,thus the Company we work for and our Country- all because we have proven to be the Best of the Best. That's why we cost a little more. as long as our Gov't or th eTop brass do not undercut US, we are the Greatest producers in the World. Had GM gone with the Electric Car in the '80's- Our Line would have built the Best. Even though an auto worker may work for Toyota, they got a 1966 Ford Mustang in the Garage just waiting for the next check to finish off that duel exhaust system. How many orginal models of these other foreign corps do you see flaunted on the roads come spring? How many times have you seen a revamped Model T? Or Studebaker...Far more.
Now the Repugs in congress have sold their souls, along with our country,it's workers and consumers to the Foreign Market. Importing more Shit products than allowing US to create or manufacture. This is the definition of 'UNAMERICAN"!!! They have killed the access to average citizens (Mom& Pops) to OUR Free Market. 'For the People and By the People' is not just a description of our Governing philosophy, but also our Free market ideology and handed it over to the Family Crest Corps and their Foreign Sponsors!!!
The REpugs Retain their Gang Color because it matches their RED COATS!!!!
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Posted by: mtnprivy on Mar 17, 2009 5:52 AM
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If you smear anything on your face, or your body, then you interfere with the function of your skin. Cosmetics are almost unregulated, based on a false assumption that skin is a complete barrier. Skin can be a worse place for contaminant chemicals than your stomach, because your digestion can process and eliminate many things. Skin cannot do this, but absorbs many things straight away.
Seems like the real "contamination" is the one between people's ears when they even need such an article. Right up there with "military intelligence" and "processed food" should be "trusted brands". If it has a label, then there is something to hide. If there is large print on the label, those are the lies. If there is print too small to read, then that is something close to the truth, that is legally required to be there.
If you can't buy your food from a local farm, then grow your own. Drop by that local farm often during the year. Surprise the farmer and see what he is up to, ask questions. If he/she seems evasive, then don't buy from them. In all cases . . . BUYER BEWARE . . . BUYER BEWARE . . . BUYER BEWARE ! ! !
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Posted by: lifeaholic on Mar 17, 2009 6:11 AM
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Much advertising as Amish.
Sorry folks. Manufactured in China.
Amish would not use such heaters.
Talk of misleading ads???
source-Washington Post
in mondays USA.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 17, 2009 7:29 AM
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http://www.cornucopia.org/who-owns-organic/
Has three charts, organic owned by big nasty companies, independent organic (the ones to support with all your might), and grocery store brand and other private label organics.
To me, the thing to notice is whether or not the buying or "parent" company messes with the product. When Dean foods bought Horizon Organic, they ruined it. They cut corners on the organic processes and cut down on the cows' access to pasture. They were sued and lost, but I'm just not interested in buying from a company that is badly controlled by a parent company who doesn't believe in the value of organic production.
Burt's Bees and Ben & Jerry's still have the product integrity that made them great in the first place, but the consumer must always be vigilant.
In the end, here are the companies you want, the companies that are bearing the cost of real organic production while industrial scale organics and faux organics undercut them:
http://www.cornucopia.org/graphics/OrganicIndJul07.pdf
Except for these few brave companies, the best thing is to use ingredients instead of products, like glycerin or olive oil for hand and body lotion, olive oil w/ lemon peel for furniture polish, like baking soda for toothpaste, etc. There are whole books about making your own vs. using store products.
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Posted by: HJamesDee on Mar 17, 2009 7:56 AM
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Almost every major scandal that one can think of can be traced back to some kind of corporate malfeasance. Considering most of our media is owned by said Corps. how can we be clearly informed? Sites like Alternet have to report on what is not being said.
Advancing stories from the blogospere and the MSM is pointless. That has already been said. All the news fit to print begs the critique what is not fit to print? Cleary it was sale of small grassroots companies to multinationals.
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Posted by: JTreeLife on Mar 17, 2009 8:03 AM
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This article touched on a very interesting point of capitalism. As Burt's Bees has become available at very large national chain stores, the small 'mom and pop' shops are desperately trying to dump their unsalable inventory, and find new unique companies (like us). Burt's trail of rapid growth has created a vacuum behind them, and there are plenty of small companies, that honestly represent our products and ownership, wiling and eager to fill that void!
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 17, 2009 8:32 AM
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I've also heard of the mildly under-educated who can't tell the difference between a FETUS & AFTERBIRTH.
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Take your disgusting filth out of here.
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Posted by: DeaconJ on Mar 17, 2009 8:23 AM
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I use products from mid-sized companies that have been around for ages. Companies like Concord grape juice and Cabbot Cheese dairy. They run with the big boys and are only owned by themselves.
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Posted by: Marie123 on Mar 17, 2009 8:34 AM
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http://nonais.org/sampleflyers/NoNAISHandout.pdf
The website, nonais.org, has info about all of the other dangerous legislation now pending. This is about your right to choose what you eat and who you buy from: your local farmer or Archer-Daniels-Midland.
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Posted by: alturn on Mar 17, 2009 8:42 AM
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The costs of gaining shelf space at a Whole Foods, Safeway, Wal Mart or other large retailer is no different than the hardware trade. Buyouts of competing brands, up front ad allowances (which sometimes are not even used to promote your product), end of year performance incentives (up to 5% of sales), terms where you ship and do not get paid for 6 months or more and spoilage allowances are among the many ways that the manufacturer gets chiseled down - all after being held up for the best price. These large mega chains also have a huge distaste for dealing with small firms - they see it as a financial liability - and tell you that to your face.
So in an industry that is consolidating or growing mainstream, the small manufacturer has little choice. Stay independent and become marginalized selling to a shrinking customer base. See the big guys knock off your product and run the category into the ground. Or raise the white flag and sell out.
It is not a fun choice, but such is the system of capitalism and competition that we have created.
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... this whole thing is very frustrating to me- I have always tried to avoid the corporations...
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 17, 2009 8:48 AM
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Should a non-American company begin notice a small firm is beginning to take up more than 4% of "their" markets: American firms will ensure that company DIES.
Until now, the 'eating' was primarily directed at non-American companies... but those days are over... the sharks are circling closer to home & becoming ever more frantically cannibalistic...
a small venture is doomed:
...either it gets beaten to death with underhanded activities
("would you like a deal with our MegaCorp? why, we aren't JUST selling X! sure, you could buy THAT better product from THEM ... OR! you can realize we SELL EVERYTHING: buy THIS from us & you can also get a preferred car deal, a better credit card rate & we'll so steeply undercut our competition & provide your FINANCING, you'll get 2 years of product almost free!!")
OR:
...that MegaCorp decides, well, we can throw some money on this & it will simply be ours. We can ride out, pretend its an 'ethical' competition, or destroy that product, depending entirely on the internal politics of our MegaCorp silo divisions!
"THERE SHALL BE NOTHING LEFT FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO EVER COMPETE WITH US: the marketplace is CORPORATIZED"
its a World where nobody wants to build a company & give it to their children. Its a World where nobody CAN.
The ÜberRiche exist by ensuring WE REMAIN SINGLE GENERATION SUCCESSES
by ensuring THERE IS NEVER ANY ROOM FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
Its rather like stands of massive oak trees who drop thousands, if not millions, of toxic, herbicidal leaves & block out the Sun: kill the competition at all costs.
in a more human term: its economic clearcutting where NOBODY will have opportunity to carve out a future for themselves against a marketplace where THE CORPORATION is the only competitor for every resource...
& you'll be punished for trying.
Remember the Electric Car?
perspective, people.
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Talk is cheap. All you're doing is documenting the iceberg while standing on the deck. Being right about all the problems is meaningless unless that knowledge leads to constructive action.
And if you can't endorse good products without getting yourself into a legal bind, fuck you. Playing by rules when the right thing demands breaking them shows yourself to be complicit with those responsible for creating the problematic rules. The rules were made by men and only have power because men refuse to buck them. If enough people ignore a rule, it goes away.
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http://www.cosmeticdatabase.com/index.php
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Posted by: chorton on Mar 17, 2009 9:15 AM
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This article is a contribution to that effort.
Millions of Americans believe in entrepreneurship, and entrepreneurs have done amazing things. This is and must be one of the creative engines we harness to the task of reinventing our economy out of the wreckage of the old one. However, the model of the socially-conscious independent entrepreneur building alternative enterprises that will thrive and multiply in the shadow of the great corporations and eventually displace them hasn't worked and won't work, unless we profoundly change the rules of the game.
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Posted by: Carm on Mar 17, 2009 9:34 AM
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Nice piece, and a lot of good research, but please note that the Danone yogurt pulled in Romania due to a dioxin scare was found NOT to contain any dioxin. Also, I'd like to reassure folks (as you did) that Stonyfield continues to keep its mission flags flying, and I ought to know: I hoist those suckers every day when I report to work at the Stonyfield Yogurt Works...We're all still working on behalf of healthy food, healthy people and a healthy planet.
Carmelle
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"Act local, buy only essentials."
Sometimes I take online surveys and they'll have a long list of brand names and ask which ones I've purchased in the past six months. It feels good to be able to check the box for "none of the above."
The comment I found most informative was Colleen Whalen's "Shop @ Farmers Markets, Join A Coop & Community Garden Plot." I do "shop at local farmers markets," checked into but haven't been able to join a food coop or CSA, will "start working a community garden plot" soon, and as an apartment dweller, intend to "grow tomatoes, vine berries, herbs in...container pots on...(my little)...balcony."
I've reduced my shopping at Trader Joe's but still go there about once a month and will try to eliminate that completely. I've been buying butter and margarine there and I'm sure I'll find a workaround if I keep looking. I buy veggies at the farmers' market, steam them, and then smear them with butter or margarine because I'm lazy, I'm not much of a cook, and that's a quick and tasty way to eat. I just bought some hempseed oil and I'll try that and see if it works instead of butter or margarine.
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Posted by: MiiPandaa on Mar 17, 2009 10:27 AM
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However, you may want to police your advertising contracts more closely, to avoid the following. Could it really have been your intent or even your tolerance to allow an ad for envirodisaster Fiji Water to show up alongside this article?
I'm frankly surprised that AlterNet would allow a Fiji ad at all; to see one next to an article about marketing megaliths was particularly jarring.
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Posted by: doodahman on Mar 17, 2009 10:31 AM
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What I would have liked to learn about is whether the contents, recipes and production methods of the newly bought brands changed and if so, to what extent. Nothing here about that, however.
In particular, I am a Tom's Toothpaste user-- not because it was eco-friendly but because it was awesome. Though Tom's is more widely available, I'm not sure it's the same Tom's. It doesn't seem to leave me as kissing sweet as it used to-- I ascribe this to a change in ingredients, which probably means less mint oil or whatever they use to mint-ify it. Has anyone else noticed this?
Other than a deterioration in quality or the use of eco-damaging processes in lieu of the original processes, I'm not sure why it matters that the companies are owned by soulless conglomerates. And if the products are changed for the worse, certainly it opens the market for another cottage innovator.
Not to say that Clorox and Coke and the rest aren't scum worthy of being tortured to death, but I'm not sure if buying Bert's Bees and Tom's Toothpaste is a particularly good justification.
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Posted by: chlamor on Mar 17, 2009 10:36 AM
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It has to do with some messed-up middle class liberal-elite culture of messed-up white people striving and succeeding and living a messed-up so-called lifestyle and being self-indulgent jerks wasting all of our time.
It doesn't take years of study, or deep understanding, or special knowledge, or the right guru, or the right product.
Just look around everyday, all day, everywhere you go. And it doesn't take baby steps, we aren't on the path to anything, we aren't getting there, we aren't improving and all of the rest of that drama.
The hard, miserable work, the really difficult, soul-smashing thing to do, is to keep participating in this ongoing and omnipresent and insane discussion going on all the time by the upwardly mobile good people. It takes a huge amount of thought, time, and energy; it is immensely unpleasant and stressful, to play along and keep propping up an insane world view..... It only sounds weird, or difficult to fathom or grasp, because we are embedded in an ongoing insane set of social interactions.
Modern liberalism is occupying the space where the Left should be, confusing and misleading people, steering people away from accurate perceptions and clouding their minds, preventing them from asking the right questions because they think they already have the answers. That is dead wood that needs clearing. If we are willing to kick over the beehive of modern liberalism you will see the true face and the true nature of the ruling class war against the people with crystal clarity. As it is, we can't even see the enemy now. We are looking out the tent flap watching for the approach of those dreaded right wingers, and the enemy is behind us right in our own tent.
“For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of society, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think you’ve got to have a reconstruction of the entire society...a radical redistribution of political and economic power.”
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
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» No one can be "...more likely to screw things up" than those that HAVE, in fact already done so.
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by PoliPointPress (Creator), Carol Pott (Editor)
Product Description
Using this pocket directory, consumers can be politically conscientious about something they do every day — shop. The Blue Pages lists companies’ political contributions to the Democratic and Republican parties and rates them by their partisanship. Each listing has a paragraph describing unique features of their business practices that may include charitable causes, social programs, labor practices, domestic partner and child care benefits, nondiscrimination policies, treatment of disabled employees, and environmental impact. Companies are organized alphabetically into 15 sectors, including: Clothing, Shoes, and Accessories, Health and Beauty, Finance, Real Estate and Insurance, and so on, making it easy to find a particular type of product or service. The A to Z index includes thousands of popular brand names and companies. Formatted like the highly successful Zagat Survey restaurant rating guides, The Blue Pages is slim and portable, perfect for backpack, glove compartment, or purse, and an ideal gift for the activist.
Paperback: 303 pages
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Posted by: grumble-bum on Mar 17, 2009 11:17 AM
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I almost stopped reading right there, in disgust.
Thankfully, I kept reading, & found that while the article contains a whole lot of non-shocking "old news" for someone in the industry, it should be required reading for anyone who thinks that the "natural" brands they buy really do anyone any "greater" good.
This is the reality: If you see it on shelves outside of a few small, local stores, it simply isn't what it implies itself to be. There is no way a small, independent company can do that. Not only due to the sheer scale of production, but because of the cutthroat netherworld of shelving fees, etc. Any delusions that Burt is somewhere putting all that beeswax into jars, just for you, needs to be erased.
Some of these national-scale "natural" products still do some good for the communities they are based in, & in the world of food many solve the scale problem by drawing from a pool of small family farms that grow to their specifications. So the argument could be made that this is an acceptable trade-off.
For those who really want to put their shopping dollar to the best possible use, follow the recommendations of numerous posters on this thread: Join a CSA, visit the farmer's markets (which are popping up everywhere, including the inner cities), or become a member of your local co-op grocery. Buy locally whenever possible, in preference to buying "organics".
You probably won't be able to completely escape the tentacles of these internationally conglomerated "natural" companies, but you'll feel better about your overall choices, as well as your increased knowledge.
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Posted by: jrbq on Mar 17, 2009 11:27 AM
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Two short overviews of real people who founded healthfood cereal companies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._W._Post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg
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Posted by: rover on Mar 17, 2009 11:31 AM
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The products are great, the people are great and I have barely aged:) I know that it is difficult for them to stay independent in an era of big companies and big profits, but I'm glad that they're trying!
I'm hopeful that there will always be room for independence.
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Posted by: off-the-radar 2 on Mar 17, 2009 11:38 AM
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And good reinforcement for me to continue to make my own stuff and to buy local, local, local and unprocessed.
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Posted by: reidhaus on Mar 17, 2009 11:39 AM
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Posted by: stina723 on Mar 17, 2009 11:53 AM
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For example - I would love to know how Dagoba chocolate is produced and if the ingredients are actually organic as stated on the label. Are Dagoba chocolate bars being produced on the same assembly line as Hershey's kisses? If Dagoba chocolate bars were analyzed in a lab, I wonder what the results would be? If pesticide/herbicide residues would be found? Or traces of heavy metals?
Go small - almost all personal hygiene products can be made at home with a couple simple ingredients. I make my own toothpaste, mouthwash, facial cleanser, toner and wrinkle cream. It doesn't take much time (I make mass quantities at a time) and it will save you $$.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 17, 2009 12:02 PM
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My kids think of bran-anthro as a hobby... they love to track stuff down.
I never know what to make of the whole dilemma so I have to shrink it to my own family's scale: if it makes rich people richer, we're not having it. We're lower class and we're not betraying our interests so some rich asshole can get richer. I don't give a whit's shit if that rich asshole is helping them planet or not. Odds are if he's a rich asshole he ain't, period. Behind every rich person is a crime, all you gotta do is look.
Over the past few years, mostly because we have less and less money all the damned time, we've been downscaling and locavoring more and more. All our nut butters, jams and produce come from people within 50 miles of us and we know the people we buy them from. Cereal grains, same thing. We buy them in bulk off the back of the truck. We still have to use the stores on occasion and we do the best we can to favor smaller companies. Sometimes it's impossible, but surrendering a dime to the owning class is better than tendering a dollar to the bastards so... there it is.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Mar 17, 2009 12:12 PM
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yes, this story deserves much follow-up...
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Mar 17, 2009 12:16 PM
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We couldn't use harsh flea medication because the puppies were too young, but we took them out of the house and set off insecticide bombs everywhere. We got the best flea medicine for the pups' age from the vet and bathed them along with our other dogs. There was no change in the number of fleas.
Fortunately, I had a friend who made her own soap, and I asked her for a recipe. I didn't make my own soap, and I admit to using a the cheapest shampoo I could find (but anyone who wants to do this can get a better option at a healthfood store or co-op), but it was a miracle. Here is the recipe:
8 oz of shampoo of any kind (baby shampoo or Dr. Bronner's is good)
2 drops each the following essential oils
lemon
citronella
cedar
lavender
peppermint
I got the essential oils in a local natural foods store. I bathed all the dogs using the shampoo with oils, and when I got done with each dog, the entire bottom of the tub was covered with dead fleas.
Then I made a spray using 16 oz of water with a couple drops of each of the essential oils. We used it on our carpets, bedding, and furniture every day for about 2 weeks and vacuumed the house nearly every day.
As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, that was 10 years ago. We have had virtually no flea problem since then. My friend who gave me the recipe said the same thing. In fact the other day, two of the dogs squeezed under my fence, ran off to the neighbor's field, and had a great time rolling in cow dung. They were in great need of a bath, and there was not one flea in the tub when I was done.
The water spray can be used for insect repellent, too. I keep the oils around just in case there's a problem again, for the insect repellent, and when I bath the dogs - although I never see fleas on them. The cost for the oils was about $30, but I shared them with a whole lot of other people.
Compared to fumigating, chemicals, and other solutions, this was fairly inexpensive, absolutely minimally time-consuming, and very, very effective.
I have friends who consistently make their own soap, insect repellents, and other items. It takes research and some time, but for anyone who wants to do it, there are alternatives to big corporation products.
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Posted by: Raver on Mar 17, 2009 2:03 PM
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Again, great article.
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Posted by: emmv on Mar 17, 2009 2:19 PM
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chart at www.organicconsumers.org. Go to this link to see poster
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We had the chart on our fridge and people were always surprised to see how the little companies have been sucked up by big ones.
I'd like to think that Nature's Path in Canada is still a good company to buy from--anyone know?
Amazing how many posts have appeared in one day! We all seem to care about this topic.
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Posted by: CarlaWaters on Mar 17, 2009 2:26 PM
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» Thanks. I checked the map of that store and it's not too far from my office. :)
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Posted by: Darklady on Mar 17, 2009 3:29 PM
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It's charming to expect hard working people to stay poor forever so our collective conscience can be soothed, but the fact is that most self-employed people would like to eventually get to bed at a decent hour and not cringe every time the mail brings a bill or a tax statement. Hell, I know I'd like to indulge in that thing called "health insurance." If I get a really good paying job with a big company, will that mean I've "sold out?"
There's a lot of bad that can be said about some of the mega corps that dominate our consumer realities -- but I'm kinda at a loss as to what those things are in the case of paying good money for good products that fit with my environmental morality. Who's the bad guy here? The big company for buying and maintaining an ethical brand -- or the original owners of that ethical brand for wanting to do something other than work themselves to death?
Maybe there doesn't have to be a bad guy?
I hear similar complaints in my line of work as a reviewer for adult videos and other products. People complain loudly about how there's nothing that satisfies their personal view of sexuality -- but they ignore or simply refuse to invest in products that do precisely that! Then the product either vanishes or "sells out."
Personally, I say put your money where your moral values are... and don't bitch so much when the little guy finally gets a chance to savor financial success.
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Posted by: Longdream on Mar 17, 2009 3:31 PM
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Except for the egg man who charges only two bucks a dozen, everything at the independents is a little more expensive than at the chain, but the neighborhood buys there anyway, because we wouldn't want to live without them.
But here's the thing: The local pop-stand and driving range sold out a while ago, and we know that a Stop $ Shop is coming to the spot. It's been a long time coming, passed all it's permits, jumped through all the hoops, etc. But it's going to disrupt traffic, be a nuisance to the abutters--quiet one-family homes on small lots, and take business from the locally owned markets. WE DID NOT NEEEEEED A STOP $ SHOP!! AND MOST OF US DO NOT WANT ONE.
We've got lawn signs up saying Stop Stop $ Shop, and we harass our little town moderators and we scream and holler at the town meetings, but it's a done deal. They're going to build it this Spring. (Oooh! I just thought of something! We can lie in front of the bulldozers! I'M SERIOUS!!)
Back to business: This is the critical thing, and sooner or later a lot of us will have to face it. I've made a commitment to pay a little more so that my locals can continue to thrive. We who aren't in a critical money situation need to take the time and the trouble to go two or three places to complete our shopping and spend the extra money to keep the independents going.
It's vitally important that we do that, so when this situation comes to a street near you, start the rabble, picket the lot, do the best you can, and don't let the independents die.
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 17, 2009 3:44 PM
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I have two apple trees in my very small back garden (approx 17' x 35') and four hens.
My generation was brought up upon stories such as Johnny Appleseed, Helen Keller and Balto the Wonderdog, not Paris Hilton. Lucky us!
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Posted by: DrXyzzy on Mar 17, 2009 4:28 PM
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I first heard this figure from Maude Barlow in the excellent documentary, Blue Gold: World Water Wars.
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» After the movie?
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Posted by: artie on Mar 17, 2009 5:45 PM
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Generally, the US consumers' behaviour is virtually the same as the CEOs of the conglomerates.... It was this behaviour that put them there! Yes, it costs more at the 'Mom n' Pop,' but the money spent is not only a vehicle for feeding my children, but for sustaining the social, economic, ecological fabric that articulates the socio-political animal that Aristotle said we were - something that money CANNOT buy!! To NOT be conscious of such a banal, such a mundane, a garden fact is, nowadays, simply unconscionable....
If not as elementary a fact as the dangers of second-hand smoke, it is even more transparent a fact that "consumption" is a morally assessable activity!
Folks, wake up! Read labels, buy genuinely 'local'! Recognize your responsibility for the world's ills and begin to contribute therapy!!
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Mar 17, 2009 7:46 PM
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Arrowhead water is now owned by Nestle Corporation and the only thing you can be sure of is that it is bottled somewhere in the United States from some undisclosed source.
It may be better tp go back tp tap water and work on improving the delivery system so that the need for bottled water is obviated.
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Posted by: HaleAloha on Mar 17, 2009 9:16 PM
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Aloha
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Posted by: lis_kwells on Mar 17, 2009 10:16 PM
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Usually this process sucks out the core of any independent movement. Look what it's done to "rock and
