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Our Health Care System Is Organized for the Wealthy -- We Can Change That

We are accustomed to living in a sharply tiered society, but it doesn't have to be that way with health care.
February 18, 2009  |  
 
 
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Princeton health care economist Uwe Reinhardt recently recalled asking Victor Fuchs, a colleague, "When will we ever have universal health insurance in the U.S.?" Fuchs' answer:  "Not until World War III, a Great Depression, or a major epidemic that threatens everyone." 

In other words, Fuchs believed that it would take a catastrophe before Americans might finally realize that we are all in one boat together: Wars, natural disasters and economic upheaval can create great solidarity. 

We may not have long to wait for that moment. Despite President Obama's best efforts, it is all but inevitable that this recession will deepen. As the president recently warned, this is not an "ordinary, run-of –the-mill" recession.  In the worst-case scenario, the meltdown could lead to a "lost decade" of growth.

At this point, America's middle-class finds itself on the edge of a cliff.  As unemployment  rises, it will become apparent how quickly an upper-middle-class family can find itself part of the middle class -- no longer able to afford private school, skiing vacations, or, in the worst case scenario, the payments on a mega- mortgage. Meanwhile, middle-class families risk slipping quietly into the nearly invisible lower-middle-class -- a group often referred to as "the working poor."    

Rising insecurity should mean that the push for health care reform will build. But the recession cuts both ways: it also means that government tax revenues will shrink, leaving fewer dollars  for the subsidies we will need if we hope to cover everyone.  Conservatives will say that we simply can't afford health care reform.

Already, despite much talk of bi-partisanship, the debate over the fiscal stimulus passage makes it clear that conservatives are not in a compromising mood. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman pointed out that "centrist" Republicans have joined conservatives in stripping the stimulus package of $80 billion worth of programs that included "much needed spending on school construction," help for the unemployed, Food Stamps and aid for cash-strapped  sates -- "the measures that would do the most to reduce the depth and pain of this slump" for those who will be hit hardest. The version of the bill that cleared the Senate cut more than $50 billion from programs that specifically help children such as Head Start, school construction, education for disadvantaged children, and prevention programs

"How did this happen?" Krugman blames, "President Obama's belief that he can transcend the partisan divide -- a belief that warped his economic strategy."  The Princeton economist points out that "many people expected Mr. Obama to come out with a really strong stimulus plan, reflecting both the economy's dire straits and his own electoral mandate. Instead, however, he offered a plan that was clearly both too small and too heavily reliant on tax cuts. Why? Because he wanted the plan to have broad bipartisan support, and believed that it would. In the end, they barely escaped a filibuster with 61 votes. What does this mean for health care legislation?

There is a real danger, Uwe Reinhardt confides, that politicians will settle for universal coverage that continues to ration care according to ability to pay -- leaving us with a sharply tiered system. This, Reinhardt says, is what he thinks will happen, "unless we, the more affluent, step forward to tax ourselves."  

On the question of opening our wallets in order to cover everyone, the most recent Kaiser poll on health care reform conducted less than two months ago, is not encouraging. It shows that "the public is split down the middle in its willingness to sacrifice financially in order to cover more individuals: roughly half (49%) say they are not willing to pay higher insurance premiums or taxes, while a similar percentage (47%) say they are. There are big partisan differences here, with most Democrats (59%) saying they are willing to pay, most Republicans unwilling to pay (67%), and independents divided (49% willing, 47% unwilling)."

When asked whether the economic meltdown makes reform more or less likely, the answers again split along partisan lines: "more than three-quarters (77%) of Democrats think health reform  ‘is more important than ever' due to the economy, while six in ten (62%) Republicans believe the nation "cannot afford to take on health reform now."

Let me be clear: I agree that we cannot afford to subsidize care for all at current, wasteful levels of spending.  But all families, rich or poor, should receive the same level of evidence-based medicine. (Beware of reformers who talk of "a health care plan for every pocketbook.") And I worry that Republicans will trim government subsidies to a point that we wind up, as Reinhardt suggests, with two or three classes of health care.


Maggie Mahar is a fellow at the Century Foundation and the author of Money-Driven Medicine: The Real Reason Health Care Costs So Much (Harper/Collins 2006). This originally appeared on The Health Beat.
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to answer the title question...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Feb 18, 2009 1:19 PM   
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yes. why would they do anything else?

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Here are Seven Policies for a Start ... Start Demanding Them!
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 19, 2009 12:48 AM   
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Here are seven policies that we must implement to start to change our economy

~ Nationalization of all banks ... to get liquidity and trust back into the banking system.

~ Nationalization of the Fed ... Why should we borrow our own money? We need a Public Central Bank that creates our currency and credit for the benefit of the public who underwrite its value and shoulder the risk.

~ HR 676 Medicare for All ... Saves millions of jobs, helps the under and uninsured, helps business, helps the states and can start to be implemented within a month or two and finished within 18 months.

~ Higher taxes on the well to do, the closing of loopholes and all income counted as ordinary income. The top rate, on over $1 million, should be at least 60%... A Carbon Tax, A Tobin Tax .... The budget deficit must be contained.

~ A shorter workweek ... Why should we have a 40 hour workweek? Efficiency has been going up for decades, yet real wages and benefits are flat and falling and it now takes two incomes instead of just one! The new economy won't have tens of millions of jobs in retail anymore, we have to spread the work. How about a 32 hour workweek? We went from 48 to a 40 hour work week six days to five and it worked just fine.

~ Bankruptcy "CramDowns" for consumers to get them back on the right track. Acorn and other social agencies could prepackage BKs for bankruptcy judges. And then credit has to get much tighter.

~ Cut the Defense Budget by 50% ... we spend more than almost all other countries combined! Military spending is dead end spending.

Politically possible? ... Not right now ... but when the Dow hits 6000, and, under and unemployment hits 25% anything goes ...

and ...

If we don't start demanding these reforms they will never even get considered ... We need big answers to big problems.

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What is this nonsense about having to pay more money?
Posted by: eridani on Feb 19, 2009 3:34 AM   
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We are already paying for universal health care; we just aren't getting it. Of course people don't want to pay more money--under single payer, everyone would pay less. We do, however, have to get all the money wasted by private insurance into a public plan, otherwise it would be unfunded. I

Hey, ask me whether I would rather pay a $100 a month "tax" or my $450 a month COBRA "premium." Don't like taxes? Call your single payer assessment a "premium" then.

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As long as we have the "personal responsibility" only blah-blah-blah crowd, forgot universal care.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 19, 2009 4:04 AM   
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Besides, it's just an excuse the elitists in Washington use to defend the wealthy elite and give Main Street the middle finger.

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Support for universal/single-payer healthcare is gonna have to start with local governments.
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 19, 2009 4:12 AM   
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Until that happens in more local areas and builds up on more state levels, the chances of getting it passed on the federal level are gonna stay slim to none since Washington has its spending priorities out of touch with the working class.

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at a visit to the doc yesterday...
Posted by: ellie on Feb 19, 2009 4:27 AM   
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was told they are cutting back essential staff like nurses and physical therapists because folks no longer can afford co-pays or have lost their health insurance from lay-offs... insurance companies are foot dragging about paying legitimate claims and the red ink is piling up fast... who ever heard of docs cutting back because their business is dying off???!!!

was told by a staff member that it is horrible to walk through the over the counter isles in the stores because it is obvious people are hurt, sick and in horrible pain, but are trying to self treat from the inability to go to the doc and get fixed up...

hospitals around here are laying off nurses, they are being forced to work double shifts that pay about half of their regular pay for the double (if you don't like it, quit) and new nurses are not able to get jobs... it's not from lack of patients...

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Maggie Mahar is part of the problem
Posted by: bthespoon on Feb 19, 2009 4:33 AM   
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She just doesn't "get" it.

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BE BOLD ON HEALTH CARE REFORM
Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 19, 2009 4:48 AM   
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Thanks Maggie Mahar(the best health care reform blogger out there)

We need to be as creative and bold on health care reform as we are on both the energy and environmental crises. In all three arenas we need long term economic sustainability.

In the short term,however,we need a strong dose of fairness.

Also the Republicans are very weak on this issue. So I say to the President and the Democrats-"take it to them" on this issue. Note- 2009 is NOT 1995- We are in much worse shape in US health care on many fronts. So we cannot afford to fail to see broad and bold reform this time around.

But we need courageous leadership!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Seems like there is an expandable system in place already
Posted by: Beck on Feb 19, 2009 5:40 AM   
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My husband and I already have government health care that's available to millions, retired military and their families, and military families living near no base medical care. This system is already so huge, it would be very hard to argue that it couldn't include everyone. It includes tens of millions of us already. It's pretty good insurance, as good as any I hear about people receiving through their employers.

This should be a priority for all of us.

The following is a start, but only that:

"Rep. John Conyers is leading the fight for Single Payer Health Care with H.R. 676, the "Medicare For All" Bill . Democrats.com is joining the Leadership Conference for Guaranteed Health Care (LCGHC) to support H.R. 676.

"Please urge your Representatives and Senators to support H.R. 676:
http://democrats.com/single-payer-petition"

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The message I just sent my representative
Posted by: Beck on Feb 19, 2009 6:54 AM   
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"I don't usually use language like this with my elected officials, but I am contacting you to demand support for House Bill 676, John Conyers' attempt to provide health care for Americans. This issue cannot continue to be postponed. We need this. I am so tired of hearing of bankruptcies, of fundraisers for families with sick kids and no insurance, of people losing jobs here in Michigan and thus losing their health care. Enough! This is long overdue."

Anyone putting this off? If not now, when? And if not this beginning, what else?

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Real reform...........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Feb 19, 2009 7:19 AM   
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Real reform begins when "we the people" start demanding it. Stop listening to the "whining Republicans & their Democratic cohorts" about how much money it is going to waste! Their inability to "find" money in the budget is a sham! Try cutting some of that funding for the wasteful Department of Defense! From the airplanes that can't be used during wartime because they can't be used in the desert, in the rain, etc - to the "Star Wars" project that has never successfully been proven! A few hundred million shaved off of from there will help to fund the Universal Care that this nation needs!

It boggles the mind that the Republicans are so willing to be wasteful for their delusional cold wars - yet are unwilling to ensure that the people of this nation have access to quality care! Yet another reason that these a$$holes need to be banished from office! Of course it begs the question - exactly why do they feel as though they have a lock-down on patriotism to this nation! It would appear that the only thing they are patriotic to is the almighty $$$$, of course if they keep up their obstructionist ways - that $$$ will be worth less than the paper it's printed on!!

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If the rich have the nerve to call it socialism--
Posted by: littlepitcher on Feb 19, 2009 8:07 AM   
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Remind the stockbrokers and bankers that they, and not the poor, were the vanguardists of socialism in America. If our government can afford to subsidize the richest in this society, it can and should bite the bullet and make health care available to all.

Since two administrations have allowed these same wealthy scoundrels to mount a successful and organized effort to coerce government into subsidizing their wages and bonuses, with open voting, then the current administration can and should enable labor to organize. "Free enterprise" has shown their corrupt hands, now make it possible for the less fortunate to have equal opportunities under the law.

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Wealth
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 19, 2009 8:10 AM   
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It is easier for a camel to slip through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy man to enter into heaven.

The notion that the accumulation of great wealth is a sin can probably be found in many of the worlds religions, but this particular idea has been soundly rejected by post-Regan America. Greed is good, wealth (no matter how gained) is widely and openly admired. This rejection of at least this one moral point of Christianity seems to have been firmly and widely rejected in modern America.

This was not always the case. There are still laws on the books to prevent monopolies. It was not too many decades ago when these rules and a progressive tax system worked against the formation of great wealth. There were even laws that forbid usury. The only remnant of this now quaint idea seems to be in the estate tax, which has been dubbed the death tax in an effort to eliminate it.

With great wealth comes great health care, but there also comes great power. In our politics, money talks and it generally talks much more loudly than do simple votes. Of course it is obvious that with great wealth there is also economic power; should our economy really be in the hands of a tiny minority?

The problems with great wealth go well beyond simply its effect on health care. It is antithetical to a democratic society. Are these pockets of wealth what has opened the door so that our jobs could leave the country? Is the formation of great wealth in our society responsible for the recent failure of the world economy? I think a good case can be made for these failures and I'd recommend this as topic for a qualified economist to research.

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See what is deemed, defended and supported as "THE ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS OF HEALTH CARE" IN EAST TN
Posted by: tmullins on Feb 19, 2009 8:27 AM   
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Profit care comes ahead of Patient care.

http://www.wisecountyissues.com

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What would universal health care look like?
Posted by: lurbankohler on Feb 19, 2009 9:14 AM   
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The poll asked the wrong question: whether we are willing to pay higher premiums or higher taxes to get universal health care. I think this implies a health care system that looks like the one we have, only universal. Insurance companies, Big Pharma, HMOs etc. would love this. Our already obscene level of "health care" spending would get even worse.

This posting has lots of good analysis, actually calls for radical changes. But we don't ask people if they would pay higher taxes for military expansion. They would say "NO!" very emphatically. So we get military expansion and tax CUTS! Were I given the job of dictator, I would take the pork out of the Pentagon and put it into a non-profit universal health care system that cost less than the one we have, PLUS serves everybody. It can be done. Hint: SEE "SICKO."

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Does anyone know how to do this?
Posted by: Beck on Feb 19, 2009 9:20 AM   
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start a simple website with printable postcards that change every week or so, so that we can continually send messages to congress and the president. I can assure you, I do not know how to do this.


I'm reading alot about what we need to demand, but less on what we're doing. Talking about demanding is not enough. We need to start actually DEMANDING, now! I can't think of much that will make us prouder than knowing we came together and forced a long-overdue change. We will be able to, despite our differences, give each other a high-five or fist bump, and say, Well done!

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Are you willing to pay 10 % of your income in higher taxes? If not shut up!
Posted by: Illuminatus- Enlightend Classic Liberal on Feb 19, 2009 9:25 AM   
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The issue with universal health care is not the prospect of socializing/nationalizing medicine it is the prospect of OPM, the wanton use of Other People's Money.

If you are for universal health care you should at the same time say, yes i am willing to pay 10 % of my income in tax.

My non scientific guess is that 90 % of those in favor of universal health care are saying the "rich" should pay for it. The rich a.k.a. the top 10 % income earners that already pay 2/3 of all taxes. The Reagan and Bush 43 tax cuts lead to the largest tax revenue in history. The deficit during Reagan and Bush 43 was because of excessive spending on ending the Cold War and invading Iraq and Afghanistan but also neither Reagan nor Bush 43 cut government bureaucracy, spending.

The fight against universal healthcare, socialized medicine is not a fight against universal health care or the so called free market. It is a fight against unlimited entitlements pays for by the productive 10 % of the nation to pay for the 10 5 non productive. The 80 % in between can in fact pay for their own health insurance if it becomes affordable i.e. a massive deregulisation of healthcare insurance. Instead oversight and transparency rules would be put in place.

The US should go the Swiss way; they had the same system as in the US until 1996.

* It became mandatory to have private health care insurance, no government health care
* If you immigrated to Switzerland you needed before immigration to have verification of insurance otherwise you are denied VISA.
* Insurers had to sign up all applicants
* The premium is a flat percentage proportion of your income or wage.
* Insurance rating is on all Swiss, not per insurance company
* All insurance companies had to convert to mutual insurance companies, non-profit.

By doing this system this way all Swiss are covered. The rates went down because of the central rating. Efficient insurance companies that had good claims and low administration costs could give a lot more coverage for the premiums.

This is the way for the US to go. If the US did this Medicare, Medicaid and Veterans Administration will be scrapped. Nothing stops the government from setting up a mutual health insurance company for the Military or the under privileged. The premiums however are going to be much, much higher than the “private” mutual insurers though. Government bureaucracy is nearly always twice as expensive as private bureaucracy; it is all because of the innate inefficiency of government.

But there is a very unpleasant issue involved in mandatory or universal health care, undocumented that have no Social Security number/insurance policy number will need to be denied health care. It is so in Switzerland as well as in Sweden. You will be treated for emergency issues, life threatening conditions but nothing else.

So the Lou Dobbs and his nasty cohorts, unions etc should jump on the bandwagon of universal health care. No health care for illegal immigrants has to become law. (Buy American Clause in the spending bill is a load of crap!)

But first comes first. Are you willing to pay 10 % of your income in higher taxes? If not shut up about universal health care!

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What is the govt's obligation to keep people alive?
Posted by: billwald on Feb 19, 2009 10:48 AM   
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Is it the govt's obligation to keep every person alive as long as it is technically possible? If not, what is the government's obligation?

In the last 2 years of my father's life, he cost Medicare and his AT&T pension more than his total earnings from his 25 years with AT&T. Did he win the pension lottery or should every person receive more than his total contribution to society?

Second, the one who pays the piper names the tune. If the govt is responsible for all medical costs then isn't the govt obligated to limit costs by legislating against inherently dangerous activities such as motorcycle riding? Mountain climbing and skiing?

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Why the '94 try at Nationa health Failed
Posted by: drp on Feb 19, 2009 11:53 AM   
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Hillary Clinton's failed '94 universal health care plan teaches what not to do. She unecessarily alienated the docs, who torpedoed the plan.

First, she refused to allow the docs a seat at the table. Having learned from medicare, the docs were ready and willing for some sort of national health insurance program, but not one rammed down their throats.

Similarly, don't reward your friends at the expense of important stake holders. E.g., the docs just wanted two concessions, neither economic. The first was some relief from malpractice litigation. This would have upset the trial attorneys (major supporters of the Dems). So it got torpedoed. The second concession was relief from paperwork. This raised the ire of the insurance companies, also big Dem donors.

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The cost of medical care
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Feb 19, 2009 1:27 PM   
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For all of those who are terrified of having their taxes go up - or of someone maybe somewhere (god forbid) getting something for nothing (as if the CEOs who get exhorbitant, obscene compensation even when they royally screw up and send the economy down the tubes aren't getting something for nothing), the rest of the so-called civilized world pays about half as much on medical care per citizen as the US.

Now that employers are resisting the payment of medical benefits, more and more people will be putting out between $400 (a very, very low estimate) and $1,000 per month for premiums. So, no matter how much money you make, you lose between roughly $5,000 and $12,000 per year even if you never see a doctor. And, of course, this usually does not cover dental or eye care - as if your teeth and eyes are not part of your body.

Then when you do go to the doctor, there's a co-pay. I have glaucoma, and my eye drops cost $50 per prescription AFTER my drug payment. I will go blind without the drops, and I get about 2 month's worth for my $50 because I am really, really careful about using them. My optometrist said most people's last about a month. Anyone with a chronic illness has at least $50 a month in medication. Another $600 or so a year.

Hardly anyone has total hospitalization coverage - it's usually about 80% if you have really good insurance (an oxymoron if I ever heard one), so any surgery is likely to cost a person close to $1000.

I don't care how much people think taxes would go up under universal care. I am quite certain that a person making around $50,000 a year would not be paying increased taxes to the tune of $10,000 to $15,000 or more. And those making $20,000 or less surely would not.

Maybe some people at the top who make more than 6 figure incomes might be hit harder, but it's absurd to cry about raised taxes. And no matter how hard the wingnuts try to deny it, taxes are the price we pay to live in a society. It's the difference between "we're all in this together" and YoYo - "you're on your own."

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Health Insurance Profits in 2007
Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 19, 2009 1:46 PM   
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SEE BELOW

It would nice to see executive total compensation(salary plus bonus) next to these numbers? That might get the US public’s attention at this time? Any of you Alternet readers have?

Hate to be a party pooper, but is anyone for spending some or all of this $ below on actual health care for the growing numbers of US uninsured or underinsured?

I think that is a reasonable question to ask?

Here are the numbers-

HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS IN 2007:

1.UnitedHealth Group -- $ 4.654 BILLION. UnitedHealth Group owns Oxford, PacifiCare, IBA, AmeriChoice, Evercare, Ovations, MAMSI and Ingenix, a healthcare data company

2.WellPoint -- $ 3.345 BILLION. Wellpoint owns BLUES across the US, including Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Georgia, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Wisconsin, Empire HealthChoice Assurance, Healthy Alliance, and many others

3. Aetna Inc. -- $ 1.831 BILLION

4.CIGNA Corp -- $ 1.115 BILLION

5.Humana Inc. -- $ 834 million

6.Coventry Health Care -- $626 million. Coventry owns Altius, Carelink, Group Health Plan, HealthAmerica, OmniCare, WellPath, others

7.Health Net -- $ 194 million

Thanks for your activism

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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But for the Owning Class... we could have universal single payer
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 19, 2009 1:46 PM   
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See, there's something everyone's forgittin'... probably because they've never been shat on by the owning class before (or at least didn't know they were getting shat upon by them):

Trusting the owning class to do something for the lowers is about as smart as waiting for a dump truck to drop a brand new McMansion on the stoop of your cardboard fridge box shelter.

As long as the owning class is in charge, we won't have healthcare, at least not those of us at the bottom who still are lucky enough to work as slaves for our massa. I make less money and have more expenses now at forty-sumpin' than when I was starting out at 21. And the owning class been the massa the whole damned time.

In twenty some odd years of working, I've had health insurance exactly four of those years. In those four years I spent more than half my income on healthcare and I lost a piece of shit condo to it... don't rupture a disc, you'll be outta your shelter quick! Massa want his money, and he want it right now! He don't give a shit bout your nasty po' ass.

How tough is it to understand what da fuck is going on?

17.89. Dammit.

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Health Care Debt
Posted by: EYERSQDOGS on Feb 19, 2009 3:08 PM   
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Lest we forget, right now most hospitals don't receive a dime after a patient files bankruptcy. I am one of those working poor, who goes to school at night. I have no other debt, but since I did not have health insurance, when I became ill, and slipped into a coma, I paid the price for waking up. $45,000 later, and not one concession from the hospital (although the various doctors who billed individually were gracious in putting me on a payment plan and reducing my bill), I am forced to file bankruptcy. The hospital told me I can pay $1300 a month over the next 2 years, and they will forgive the rest. If I had an extra $1300 month, I'm almost certain I'd have had health insurance. So now, they get nothing. I'm sure that hurts them more than getting some reduced amount, but they refused to think that through. I don't honestly know what the answer is, but are health care system as it is does not work. Maybe if you have money, but not for the majority of Americans.

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Existing 1998 Universal Denial of Health Care
Posted by: Kimberly on Feb 20, 2009 7:37 AM   
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The Wealthy [ HMO - CEOs, and individuals who conduct Anti-dumping violations for the HMOs, et al ] don't have to worry about denial of Covered Health Care Claims, or being forced into State Medicaid for the Poor. The working class, and ' Retired ' American Citizens though, have been Targeted T42CFR417.1 for Health Insurance Fraud and Abuse ( denial of covered claims ), to force illegal Federal State Kickback conversions. Allowed T18CFR242CRIME by The US Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General.
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The HHS OIG introduced the Provider Self-Disclosure Protocol (SDP) in 1998. 1996 HIPAA Violation: Illegal agreement with Federal HMOs to deny Covered T42CFR409.33 Post-Hospital Extended Care Services T42CFR417.1 ( Adverse Determinationmisprison of a felonygrievance procedure ), illegally bill Covered Individuals for the denied covered claims, to force the Elderly ( fraud by fright ) into illegal HCFA State Medicaid kickback T42CFR409.33 conversions ~ eligibility POOR.
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CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR ACTS INVOLVING FEDERAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS SEC. 1128B. [42 U.S.C. 1320a-7b] Fraud by Fright: White Collar Crime by Health Providers, 67 N.C.L.Rev. 855 (1989)
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Sincerely,
All ENTITLED Federal Employee Health Beneficiaries & the General Public in Region 5 HCFA, who are being criminally denied HHS T42CFR417.1 Existing ( Federal State Private ) HMO Health Insurance Coverage, illegally billed for HMO denied covered claims and forced into HCFA State Medicaid Programs for the POOR. Title18CFR1001Crime. 1998 still pending 2009 denial of civil and criminal rights - reporting waste fraud and abuse - Color of Law T18CFR242CRIME

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Oh, the poor Swedes pay 50% of their incomes in taxes. Whereas we lucky
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Feb 23, 2009 9:01 PM   
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souls pay out 44% of our incomes in taxes and 15% of our incomes on health care. That is 9% more for less. The Swedes get full national health and a full retirement. Our republicans say that our social security is only a suppliment. It may be for republicans, but for democrats it, in most cases, is all they get. Notably, the next highest percentage of GDP behind us is 8% spent on health care.

The 44% that I have cited comes from the Brookings institute. If you are a right winger, the American heritage institute cites 43% of every dollar passing through taxes. This number includes city, county, state, and federal taxes. It supposedly includes all of your license plates, property taxes, sales taxes, and any and everything government asks for. Somebody is getting rooked. Oh yes, its us.

We do have the luxury of being able to maintain two wars simultaneously. They have killed a lot of Arabs for us. They have really done it quite cheaply. I guess I'm just not very appreciative.

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to answer the title question...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Feb 18, 2009 1:19 PM   
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yes. why would they do anything else?

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Here are Seven Policies for a Start ... Start Demanding Them!
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 19, 2009 12:48 AM   
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Here are seven policies that we must implement to start to change our economy

~ Nationalization of all banks ... to get liquidity and trust back into the banking system.

~ Nationalization of the Fed ... Why should we borrow our own money? We need a Public Central Bank that creates our currency and credit for the benefit of the public who underwrite its value and shoulder the risk.

~ HR 676 Medicare for All ... Saves millions of jobs, helps the under and uninsured, helps business, helps the states and can start to be implemented within a month or two and finished within 18 months.

~ Higher taxes on the well to do, the closing of loopholes and all income counted as ordinary income. The top rate, on over $1 million, should be at least 60%... A Carbon Tax, A Tobin Tax .... The budget deficit must be contained.

~ A shorter workweek ... Why should we have a 40 hour workweek? Efficiency has been going up for decades, yet real wages and benefits are flat and falling and it now takes two incomes instead of just one! The new economy won't have tens of millions of jobs in retail anymore, we have to spread the work. How about a 32 hour workweek? We went from 48 to a 40 hour work week six days to five and it worked just fine.

~ Bankruptcy "CramDowns" for consumers to get them back on the right track. Acorn and other social agencies could prepackage BKs for bankruptcy judges. And then credit has to get much tighter.

~ Cut the Defense Budget by 50% ... we spend more than almost all other countries combined! Military spending is dead end spending.

Politically possible? ... Not right now ... but when the Dow hits 6000, and, under and unemployment hits 25% anything goes ...

and ...

If we don't start demanding these reforms they will never even get considered ... We need big answers to big problems.

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What is this nonsense about having to pay more money?
Posted by: eridani on Feb 19, 2009 3:34 AM   
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We are already paying for universal health care; we just aren't getting it. Of course people don't want to pay more money--under single payer, everyone would pay less. We do, however, have to get all the money wasted by private insurance into a public plan, otherwise it would be unfunded. I

Hey, ask me whether I would rather pay a $100 a month "tax" or my $450 a month COBRA "premium." Don't like taxes? Call your single payer assessment a "premium" then.

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As long as we have the "personal responsibility" only blah-blah-blah crowd, forgot universal care.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 19, 2009 4:04 AM   
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Besides, it's just an excuse the elitists in Washington use to defend the wealthy elite and give Main Street the middle finger.

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Support for universal/single-payer healthcare is gonna have to start with local governments.
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 19, 2009 4:12 AM   
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Until that happens in more local areas and builds up on more state levels, the chances of getting it passed on the federal level are gonna stay slim to none since Washington has its spending priorities out of touch with the working class.

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at a visit to the doc yesterday...
Posted by: ellie on Feb 19, 2009 4:27 AM   
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was told they are cutting back essential staff like nurses and physical therapists because folks no longer can afford co-pays or have lost their health insurance from lay-offs... insurance companies are foot dragging about paying legitimate claims and the red ink is piling up fast... who ever heard of docs cutting back because their business is dying off???!!!

was told by a staff member that it is horrible to walk through the over the counter isles in the stores because it is obvious people are hurt, sick and in horrible pain, but are trying to self treat from the inability to go to the doc and get fixed up...

hospitals around here are laying off nurses, they are being forced to work double shifts that pay about half of their regular pay for the double (if you don't like it, quit) and new nurses are not able to get jobs... it's not from lack of patients...

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Maggie Mahar is part of the problem
Posted by: bthespoon on Feb 19, 2009 4:33 AM   
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She just doesn't "get" it.

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BE BOLD ON HEALTH CARE REFORM
Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 19, 2009 4:48 AM   
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Thanks Maggie Mahar(the best health care reform blogger out there)

We need to be as creative and bold on health care reform as we are on both the energy and environmental crises. In all three arenas we need long term economic sustainability.

In the short term,however,we need a strong dose of fairness.

Also the Republicans are very weak on this issue. So I say to the President and the Democrats-"take it to them" on this issue. Note- 2009 is NOT 1995- We are in much worse shape in US health care on many fronts. So we cannot afford to fail to see broad and bold reform this time around.

But we need courageous leadership!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Seems like there is an expandable system in place already
Posted by: Beck on Feb 19, 2009 5:40 AM   
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My husband and I already have government health care that's available to millions, retired military and their families, and military families living near no base medical care. This system is already so huge, it would be very hard to argue that it couldn't include everyone. It includes tens of millions of us already. It's pretty good insurance, as good as any I hear about people receiving through their employers.

This should be a priority for all of us.

The following is a start, but only that:

"Rep. John Conyers is leading the fight for Single Payer Health Care with H.R. 676, the "Medicare For All" Bill . Democrats.com is joining the Leadership Conference for Guaranteed Health Care (LCGHC) to support H.R. 676.

"Please urge your Representatives and Senators to support H.R. 676:
http://democrats.com/single-payer-petition"

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The message I just sent my representative
Posted by: Beck on Feb 19, 2009 6:54 AM   
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"I don't usually use language like this with my elected officials, but I am contacting you to demand support for House Bill 676, John Conyers' attempt to provide health care for Americans. This issue cannot continue to be postponed. We need this. I am so tired of hearing of bankruptcies, of fundraisers for families with sick kids and no insurance, of people losing jobs here in Michigan and thus losing their health care. Enough! This is long overdue."

Anyone putting this off? If not now, when? And if not this beginning, what else?

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Real reform...........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Feb 19, 2009 7:19 AM   
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Real reform begins when "we the people" start demanding it. Stop listening to the "whining Republicans & their Democratic cohorts" about how much money it is going to waste! Their inability to "find" money in the budget is a sham! Try cutting some of that funding for the wasteful Department of Defense! From the airplanes that can't be used during wartime because they can't be used in the desert, in the rain, etc - to the "Star Wars" project that has never successfully been proven! A few hundred million shaved off of from there will help to fund the Universal Care that this nation needs!

It boggles the mind that the Republicans are so willing to be wasteful for their delusional cold wars - yet are unwilling to ensure that the people of this nation have access to quality care! Yet another reason that these a$$holes need to be banished from office! Of course it begs the question - exactly why do they feel as though they have a lock-down on patriotism to this nation! It would appear that the only thing they are patriotic to is the almighty $$$$, of course if they keep up their obstructionist ways - that $$$ will be worth less than the paper it's printed on!!

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If the rich have the nerve to call it socialism--
Posted by: littlepitcher on Feb 19, 2009 8:07 AM   
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Remind the stockbrokers and bankers that they, and not the poor, were the vanguardists of socialism in America. If our government can afford to subsidize the richest in this society, it can and should bite the bullet and make health care available to all.

Since two administrations have allowed these same wealthy scoundrels to mount a successful and organized effort to coerce government into subsidizing their wages and bonuses, with open voting, then the current administration can and should enable labor to organize. "Free enterprise" has shown their corrupt hands, now make it possible for the less fortunate to have equal opportunities under the law.

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Wealth
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 19, 2009 8:10 AM   
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It is easier for a camel to slip through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy man to enter into heaven.

The notion that the accumulation of great wealth is a sin can probably be found in many of the worlds religions, but this particular idea has been soundly rejected by post-Regan America. Greed is good, wealth (no matter how gained) is widely and openly admired. This rejection of at least this one moral point of Christianity seems to have been firmly and widely rejected in modern America.

This was not always the case. There are still laws on the books to prevent monopolies. It was not too many decades ago when these rules and a progressive tax system worked against the formation of great wealth. There were even laws that forbid usury. The only remnant of this now quaint idea seems to be in the estate tax, which has been dubbed the death tax in an effort to eliminate it.

With great wealth comes great health care, but there also comes great power. In our politics, money talks and it generally talks much more loudly than do simple votes. Of course it is obvious that with great wealth there is also economic power; should our economy really be in the hands of a tiny minority?

The problems with great wealth go well beyond simply its effect on health care. It is antithetical to a democratic society. Are these pockets of wealth what has opened the door so that our jobs could leave the country? Is the formation of great wealth in our society responsible for the recent failure of the world economy? I think a good case can be made for these failures and I'd recommend this as topic for a qualified economist to research.

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See what is deemed, defended and supported as "THE ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS OF HEALTH CARE" IN EAST TN
Posted by: tmullins on Feb 19, 2009 8:27 AM   
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Profit care comes ahead of Patient care.

http://www.wisecountyissues.com

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What would universal health care look like?
Posted by: lurbankohler on Feb 19, 2009 9:14 AM   
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The poll asked the wrong question: whether we are willing to pay higher premiums or higher taxes to get universal health care. I think this implies a health care system that looks like the one we have, only universal. Insurance companies, Big Pharma, HMOs etc. would love this. Our already obscene level of "health care" spending would get even worse.

This posting has lots of good analysis, actually calls for radical changes. But we don't ask people if they would pay higher taxes for military expansion. They would say "NO!" very emphatically. So we get military expansion and tax CUTS! Were I given the job of dictator, I would take the pork out of the Pentagon and put it into a non-profit universal health care system that cost less than the one we have, PLUS serves everybody. It can be done. Hint: SEE "SICKO."

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Does anyone know how to do this?
Posted by: Beck on Feb 19, 2009 9:20 AM   
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start a simple website with printable postcards that change every week or so, so that we can continually send messages to congress and the president. I can assure you, I do not know how to do this.


I'm reading alot about what we need to demand, but less on what we're doing. Talking about demanding is not enough. We need to start actually DEMANDING, now! I can't think of much that will make us prouder than knowing we came together and forced a long-overdue change. We will be able to, despite our differences, give each other a high-five or fist bump, and say, Well done!

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Are you willing to pay 10 % of your income in higher taxes? If not shut up!
Posted by: Illuminatus- Enlightend Classic Liberal on Feb 19, 2009 9:25 AM   
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The issue with universal health care is not the prospect of socializing/nationalizing medicine it is the prospect of OPM, the wanton use of Other People's Money.

If you are for universal health care you should at the same time say, yes i am willing to pay 10 % of my income in tax.

My non scientific guess is that 90 % of those in favor of universal health care are saying the "rich" should pay for it. The rich a.k.a. the top 10 % income earners that already pay 2/3 of all taxes. The Reagan and Bush 43 tax cuts lead to the largest tax revenue in history. The deficit during Reagan and Bush 43 was because of excessive spending on ending the Cold War and invading Iraq and Afghanistan but also neither Reagan nor Bush 43 cut government bureaucracy, spending.

The fight against universal healthcare, socialized medicine is not a fight against universal health care or the so called free market. It is a fight against unlimited entitlements pays for by the productive 10 % of the nation to pay for the 10 5 non productive. The 80 % in between can in fact pay for their own health insurance if it becomes affordable i.e. a massive deregulisation of healthcare insurance. Instead oversight and transparency rules would be put in place.

The US should go the Swiss way; they had the same system as in the US until 1996.

* It became mandatory to have private health care insurance, no government health care
* If you immigrated to Switzerland you needed before immigration to have verification of insurance otherwise you are denied VISA.
* Insurers had to sign up all applicants
* The premium is a flat percentage proportion of your income or wage.
* Insurance rating is on all Swiss, not per insurance company
* All insurance companies had to convert to mutual insurance companies, non-profit.

By doing this system this way all Swiss are covered. The rates went down because of the central rating. Efficient insurance companies that had good claims and low administration costs could give a lot more coverage for the premiums.

This is the way for the US to go. If the US did this Medicare, Medicaid and Veterans Administration will be scrapped. Nothing stops the government from setting up a mutual health insurance company for the Military or the under privileged. The premiums however are going to be much, much higher than the “private” mutual insurers though. Government bureaucracy is nearly always twice as expensive as private bureaucracy; it is all because of the innate inefficiency of government.

But there is a very unpleasant issue involved in mandatory or universal health care, undocumented that have no Social Security number/insurance policy number will need to be denied health care. It is so in Switzerland as well as in Sweden. You will be treated for emergency issues, life threatening conditions but nothing else.

So the Lou Dobbs and his nasty cohorts, unions etc should jump on the bandwagon of universal health care. No health care for illegal immigrants has to become law. (Buy American Clause in the spending bill is a load of crap!)

But first comes first. Are you willing to pay 10 % of your income in higher taxes? If not shut up about universal health care!

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What is the govt's obligation to keep people alive?
Posted by: billwald on Feb 19, 2009 10:48 AM   
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Is it the govt's obligation to keep every person alive as long as it is technically possible? If not, what is the government's obligation?

In the last 2 years of my father's life, he cost Medicare and his AT&T pension more than his total earnings from his 25 years with AT&T. Did he win the pension lottery or should every person receive more than his total contribution to society?

Second, the one who pays the piper names the tune. If the govt is responsible for all medical costs then isn't the govt obligated to limit costs by legislating against inherently dangerous activities such as motorcycle riding? Mountain climbing and skiing?

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Why the '94 try at Nationa health Failed
Posted by: drp on Feb 19, 2009 11:53 AM   
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Hillary Clinton's failed '94 universal health care plan teaches what not to do. She unecessarily alienated the docs, who torpedoed the plan.

First, she refused to allow the docs a seat at the table. Having learned from medicare, the docs were ready and willing for some sort of national health insurance program, but not one rammed down their throats.

Similarly, don't reward your friends at the expense of important stake holders. E.g., the docs just wanted two concessions, neither economic. The first was some relief from malpractice litigation. This would have upset the trial attorneys (major supporters of the Dems). So it got torpedoed. The second concession was relief from paperwork. This raised the ire of the insurance companies, also big Dem donors.

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The cost of medical care
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Feb 19, 2009 1:27 PM   
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For all of those who are terrified of having their taxes go up - or of someone maybe somewhere (god forbid) getting something for nothing (as if the CEOs who get exhorbitant, obscene compensation even when they royally screw up and send the economy down the tubes aren't getting something for nothing), the rest of the so-called civilized world pays about half as much on medical care per citizen as the US.

Now that employers are resisting the payment of medical benefits, more and more people will be putting out between $400 (a very, very low estimate) and $1,000 per month for premiums. So, no matter how much money you make, you lose between roughly $5,000 and $12,000 per year even if you never see a doctor. And, of course, this usually does not cover dental or eye care - as if your teeth and eyes are not part of your body.

Then when you do go to the doctor, there's a co-pay. I have glaucoma, and my eye drops cost $50 per prescription AFTER my drug payment. I will go blind without the drops, and I get about 2 month's worth for my $50 because I am really, really careful about using them. My optometrist said most people's last about a month. Anyone with a chronic illness has at least $50 a month in medication. Another $600 or so a year.

Hardly anyone has total hospitalization coverage - it's usually about 80% if you have really good insurance (an oxymoron if I ever heard one), so any surgery is likely to cost a person close to $1000.

I don't care how much people think taxes would go up under universal care. I am quite certain that a person making around $50,000 a year would not be paying increased taxes to the tune of $10,000 to $15,000 or more. And those making $20,000 or less surely would not.

Maybe some people at the top who make more than 6 figure incomes might be hit harder, but it's absurd to cry about raised taxes. And no matter how hard the wingnuts try to deny it, taxes are the price we pay to live in a society. It's the difference between "we're all in this together" and YoYo - "you're on your own."

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Health Insurance Profits in 2007
Posted by: drricklippin on Feb 19, 2009 1:46 PM   
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SEE BELOW

It would nice to see executive total compensation(salary plus bonus) next to these numbers? That might get the US public’s attention at this time? Any of you Alternet readers have?

Hate to be a party pooper, but is anyone for spending some or all of this $ below on actual health care for the growing numbers of US uninsured or underinsured?

I think that is a reasonable question to ask?

Here are the numbers-

HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS IN 2007:

1.UnitedHealth Group -- $ 4.654 BILLION. UnitedHealth Group owns Oxford, PacifiCare, IBA, AmeriChoice, Evercare, Ovations, MAMSI and Ingenix, a healthcare data company

2.WellPoint -- $ 3.345 BILLION. Wellpoint owns BLUES across the US, including Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Georgia, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Wisconsin, Empire HealthChoice Assurance, Healthy Alliance, and many others

3. Aetna Inc. -- $ 1.831 BILLION

4.CIGNA Corp -- $ 1.115 BILLION

5.Humana Inc. -- $ 834 million

6.Coventry Health Care -- $626 million. Coventry owns Altius, Carelink, Group Health Plan, HealthAmerica, OmniCare, WellPath, others

7.Health Net -- $ 194 million

Thanks for your activism

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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But for the Owning Class... we could have universal single payer
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 19, 2009 1:46 PM   
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See, there's something everyone's forgittin'... probably because they've never been shat on by the owning class before (or at least didn't know they were getting shat upon by them):

Trusting the owning class to do something for the lowers is about as smart as waiting for a dump truck to drop a brand new McMansion on the stoop of your cardboard fridge box shelter.

As long as the owning class is in charge, we won't have healthcare, at least not those of us at the bottom who still are lucky enough to work as slaves for our massa. I make less money and have more expenses now at forty-sumpin' than when I was starting out at 21. And the owning class been the massa the whole damned time.

In twenty some odd years of working, I've had health insurance exactly four of those years. In those four years I spent more than half my income on healthcare and I lost a piece of shit condo to it... don't rupture a disc, you'll be outta your shelter quick! Massa want his money, and he want it right now! He don't give a shit bout your nasty po' ass.

How tough is it to understand what da fuck is going on?

17.89. Dammit.

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Health Care Debt
Posted by: EYERSQDOGS on Feb 19, 2009 3:08 PM   
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Lest we forget, right now most hospitals don't receive a dime after a patient files bankruptcy. I am one of those working poor, who goes to school at night. I have no other debt, but since I did not have health insurance, when I became ill, and slipped into a coma, I paid the price for waking up. $45,000 later, and not one concession from the hospital (although the various doctors who billed individually were gracious in putting me on a payment plan and reducing my bill), I am forced to file bankruptcy. The hospital told me I can pay $1300 a month over the next 2 years, and they will forgive the rest. If I had an extra $1300 month, I'm almost certain I'd have had health insurance. So now, they get nothing. I'm sure that hurts them more than getting some reduced amount, but they refused to think that through. I don't honestly know what the answer is, but are health care system as it is does not work. Maybe if you have money, but not for the majority of Americans.

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Existing 1998 Universal Denial of Health Care
Posted by: Kimberly on Feb 20, 2009 7:37 AM   
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The Wealthy [ HMO - CEOs, and individuals who conduct Anti-dumping violations for the HMOs, et al ] don't have to worry about denial of Covered Health Care Claims, or being forced into State Medicaid for the Poor. The working class, and ' Retired ' American Citizens though, have been Targeted T42CFR417.1 for Health Insurance Fraud and Abuse ( denial of covered claims ), to force illegal Federal State Kickback conversions. Allowed T18CFR242CRIME by The US Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General.
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The HHS OIG introduced the Provider Self-Disclosure Protocol (SDP) in 1998. 1996 HIPAA Violation: Illegal agreement with Federal HMOs to deny Covered T42CFR409.33 Post-Hospital Extended Care Services T42CFR417.1 ( Adverse Determinationmisprison of a felonygrievance procedure ), illegally bill Covered Individuals for the denied covered claims, to force the Elderly ( fraud by fright ) into illegal HCFA State Medicaid kickback T42CFR409.33 conversions ~ eligibility POOR.
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CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR ACTS INVOLVING FEDERAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS SEC. 1128B. [42 U.S.C. 1320a-7b] Fraud by Fright: White Collar Crime by Health Providers, 67 N.C.L.Rev. 855 (1989)
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Sincerely,
All ENTITLED Federal Employee Health Beneficiaries & the General Public in Region 5 HCFA, who are being criminally denied HHS T42CFR417.1 Existing ( Federal State Private ) HMO Health Insurance Coverage, illegally billed for HMO denied covered claims and forced into HCFA State Medicaid Programs for the POOR. Title18CFR1001Crime. 1998 still pending 2009 denial of civil and criminal rights - reporting waste fraud and abuse - Color of Law T18CFR242CRIME

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Oh, the poor Swedes pay 50% of their incomes in taxes. Whereas we lucky
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Feb 23, 2009 9:01 PM   
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souls pay out 44% of our incomes in taxes and 15% of our incomes on health care. That is 9% more for less. The Swedes get full national health and a full retirement. Our republicans say that our social security is only a suppliment. It may be for republicans, but for democrats it, in most cases, is all they get. Notably, the next highest percentage of GDP behind us is 8% spent on health care.

The 44% that I have cited comes from the Brookings institute. If you are a right winger, the American heritage institute cites 43% of every dollar passing through taxes. This number includes city, county, state, and federal taxes. It supposedly includes all of your license plates, property taxes, sales taxes, and any and everything government asks for. Somebody is getting rooked. Oh yes, its us.

We do have the luxury of being able to maintain two wars simultaneously. They have killed a lot of Arabs for us. They have really done it quite cheaply. I guess I'm just not very appreciative.

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