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What's It Going to Take to Lock Up Drug Company Execs?
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"Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through." - Jonathan Swift
After reading "The Neurontin Legacy -- Marketing through Misinformation and Manipulation" in the January 8, 2009 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, one may conclude that (1) America's prisons would be put to better use incarcerating drug company executives instead of pot smokers, and (2) society may need a return of public scorn via the pillory for those doctors who are essentially drug-company shills.
Drug-company corruption of American medicine is of course not news. What is news is that such corruption has become so egregious, so transparent, and so embarrassing that the New England Journal of Medicine, perhaps the most influential American medical journal, is now stating that "drastic action is essential to preserve the integrity of medical science and practice and to justify public trust."
Neurontin was approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1993 in doses of up to 1800 mg per day as adjunctive therapy for partial complex seizures. How did U.S. annual sales of Neurontin increase from $98 million in 1995 to nearly $3 billion in 2004? The answer is "off-label" marketing, in which Neurontin manufacturer Parke-Davis (a division of Warner-Lambert purchased by Pfizer in 2000) marketed Neurontin to doctors for uses not approved by the FDA (because doctors can legally prescribe drugs for uses not approved by the FDA).
While aggressive off-label marketing to doctors is standard among drug companies, it is routinely kept quiet. But thanks to a Parke-Davis whistle blower, we have first-hand evidence of off-label marketing -- and how the Neurontin financial bonanza was created.
In 1996, David Franklin, a young biologist, took a sales representative position for Parke-Davis. But shortly after beginning the job, Franklin grew concerned that he was participating in the illegal marketing of Neurontin. Franklin reports that a Parke-Davis executive informed him and his fellow sales reps:
"I want you out there every day selling Neurontin. . . .We all know Neurontin's not growing for adjunctive therapy, besides that's not where the money is. Pain management, now that's money. Monotherapy [for epilepsy], that's money. . . . We can't wait for [physicians] to ask, we need [to] get out there and tell them up front. Dinner programs, CME [continuing medical education] programs, consultantships all work great but don't forget the one-on-one. That's where we need to be, holding their hand and whispering in their ear, Neurontin for pain, Neurontin for monotherapy, Neurontin for bipolar, Neurontin for everything. I don't want to see a single patient coming off Neurontin before they've been up to at least 4800 mg/day. I don't want to hear that safety crap either, have you tried Neurontin, every one of you should take one just to see there is nothing, it's a great drug."
Franklin left Parke-Davis and filed suit (ultimately, United States of America ex rel. David Franklin vs. Pfizer, Inc., and Parke-Davis Division of Warner-Lambert Company) alleging that off-label marketing of Neurontin constituted false claims designed to elicit payments from the federal government. In 2004, Warner-Lambert resolved criminal charges and civil liabilities by agreeing to plead guilty and pay $430 million -- less than 15 percent of the $3 billion the drug company had grossed on Neurontin in 2004.
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Posted by: Vince2 on Jan 16, 2009 1:09 AM
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Good stuff! Overprescription will probably someday be seen as the greatest health hazard of the early 21st Century, and pharma-fueled graft as one of our biggest public menaces. It's rather terrifying that it's not even on most people's radar.
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Posted by: weathered on Jan 16, 2009 1:28 AM
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Look into their old lab in Yonker's follow the Sackler $$$ trail and how dark this is.
See oxycotin for what it is, a bag of dope in a pill - and plenty of new customers coming back from Iraq/Afgn.
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Posted by: bonzi on Jan 16, 2009 3:02 AM
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OTOH, off-label drug use is not always bad. It is not easy to strike the balance between overprotection and no protection at all. Once strict safety tests are done and the drug is approved, perhaps FDA could maintain a public list of proposed off-label uses and (FDA-reviewed) studies on efficacy. So, decision would still be patient's (and their physician's), but, hopefully, it could be an informed one.
Punishment for lying concerning drug safety and efficacy could be quite simple: for physician, revocation of license; for drug company exec, jail; and for the company itself, what really hurts: voiding of their whole patent portfolio.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 16, 2009 5:05 AM
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Waht I found the Wierdest while on the med, I had NO emotions whatsever. Didn't feel anger, sadness or even Joy, even when circumstances warrranted it. I was a zombie!
My Husband has been on Paxil, If he misses even ONE day his personality is drastically effected. I have even be concerned about MY safety- which has never been an issue and we've been married for 16 yrs!He either goes into bouts of crying jags (not the type) or rampages (also not the type).
these meds pose dangers far beyond the physical concerns, they place the person and those around them in SERIOUS danger.
sugar substitutes have caused many helath problems, when natural sugar poses none to most people. I'm now back to the basics on Meds, those 'Self medicating' non prescription kind, I find I am healthier and more mentally balanced, and I don't require them daily, so they are an 'As Needed' solution to periodic situations. Have a drink, smoke a joint or eat some chocolate, works far better with far less side effects.
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» Good story. Thanks for sharing that.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 16, 2009 5:09 AM
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Some CEOs pf Big PhRMA have engaged in criminal behavior and need to be indicted, found guilty and jailed
In 2002 I release a forecast for the Drug Industry (see below) I called them in that forecast drug pushers. Most of my other points have become manifest also
“Major Trouble ahead for Pharmaceutical firms”
1)Classical example of how greed and arrogance and the excesses of the free market takes something that is truly miraculous (life saving drugs/vaccines) and moves it to excess which then "backfires" See Teller -"When Technology Bites Back" or Dutton “ Worse Than The Disease"
2)Direct marketing to consumers on TV is a real debacle- the pharm companies come across as bone-fide drug pushers which they have become!
3)Science will show an increasing number of pharm products do more harm than good. They may be "efficacious" BUT THEY ARE NOT SAFE- grossly underestimated as contributing to cancer for example-see prempro story recently
4)Polypharmacy is running rampant- too many drugs for too many conditions in an individual- will get MUCH WORSE as naive boomers age and take more and more mixed meds
5)Psychotropics, analgesics and sedating antihistamines are contributing to serious safety problems on America’s highways and workplaces and who knows what other errors in judgment by leaders with this stuff swirling around their brains
6)Medications, especially psychotropics and analgesics are migrating in
alarmingly large quantities to illicit market (eg. Oxycotin)
7)Yet politically, denying NEEDED drugs to elderly is hottest political issue going-another one is denying affordable drugs to millions dying of aids especially in Africa. So some populations are UNDERMEDICATED. Many in US are OVERMEDICATED
8)In high density populations there is the issue of ultimate ENVIRONMENTAL FATE in soil and water of human excreted medicines and/or their metabolites
9)Congressional Hearings ahead with tone of Tobacco and Asbestos
Richard A. Lippin, MD
Health Sector forecaster-July 2002
Southampton,Pa
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 16, 2009 6:23 AM
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But it needs to get it approved using blind clinical trials - where for example some patients receive the drug and some people receive a placebo - a pill that doesn't actually have any active ingredients.
Only the organiser of the trial knows which patients receive the drug and which patients receive the placebo.
If as a result of such a trial - significantly more patients suddenly drop dead who are taking the drug rather than the placebo, you may think that the trial would be halted immediately and the drug banned from use.
However if you read an exceedingly well researched book - "Deadly Medicine: Why Tens of Thousands of Heart Patients Died in America's Worst Drug Disaster"
by Thomas J. Moore.....
You will be completely shocked and amazed with regards to what actually happens in such situations
Here is a review of it. Whilst it is out of print second hand copies are still available on amazon.
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http://www.ralphmoss.com/cach381.html
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Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 16, 2009 8:15 AM
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http://www.whale.to/a/medical_mafia.html
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 16, 2009 8:23 AM
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This is just one more BIG reason why America requires a single–payer healthcare system like European nations have. Put doctors on salary – and put Big Pharma executives on a slow boat to somewhere far, far away. (Tierra del Fuego comes to mind....)
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jan 16, 2009 8:48 AM
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If anyone is interested in this issue, I recommend "Dispensing With the Truth" by Alicia Mundy! It chronicled the fen-phen murders. Among its revelations:
* Wyeth-Ayerst knew beyond a shadow of a doubt of the drugs side effects before it was released
* Company execs made statements to the effect that it is NOT acceptable to sacrifice sales for safety
* C Everett Koop's Shape Up America was sponsored by Wyeth to make weight consciousness first and foremost in the public's mind. (Since lifestyle change only results in moderate weight loss and "ideal" weights are determined by pharma, they were hoping to send them running to the pills). When the scandal came out, funding for the program dried up
* The "obesity kills 300,000 a year" came from pharma marketers. ( A study was done later by an Alabama quack hack to back it up.)
*Long after it was know the drug was causing heart problems in the U.S., media was running front page stories on its safety! (Showing just what puppets MSM are.)
*Wyeth was so dirty, its lawyers made the elderly plaintiff parents suing on behalf of their barely plumb deceased daughter march down to their basement and get their bereavement cards and funeral registry because they tried to smirch her character.
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Posted by: kenhymes on Jan 16, 2009 9:08 AM
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I don't claim there is NOTHING there scientifically. But I do assert that vague, impressive sounding claims about brain science and genetics are thick on the ground, and almost all are presented as pointing to new "treatments." With all the examples of malfeasance and corruption and suppression of data we have available to us, how can we afford to trust the claims of branches of science which are funded by or otherwise tied to corporate interests?
Consider the contrast with zoology, archaeology, astronomy, oceanography, to name but a few. Other than a few military-related contracts, there is only straight grant and university funding available for these fields. And when's the last time you heard of someone falsifying a fossil find.
So I don't question the value of science in our culture, I question the confusion of science with commerce. I think that those on the left who see religion as an irrational force in conflict with the impartial reason of science need to recognize the extent to which both are changing. Sometimes the rational pursuit of profitable "truths" is in dire need of some irrational, unreasonable values to guide it. The unseen, ineffable qualities of mutual respect, freedom of thought, desire to avoid causing harm... these are not utilitarian, empirically derived conclusions... they are a heart/mind/spirit thing.
Let's find out everything we can about the world, and not try to protect the fundamentalist religious worldview from the resulting data, but let's also remember that while our scientific methods may be theoretically impartial and rational, we ourselves are not, and never will be. It's not a "post-modernist" cop-out to insist that technology and science should serve human and ecological needs, not be our unquestioned masters.
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Posted by: marid on Jan 16, 2009 9:15 AM
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The revolving doors from Politics to executive boards and consulting jobs pays off handsomely for the politicians either by keeping them in office or providing a cushy position after their loyal servitude to the American people has ended. Big Pharma has a great business model and it works for them, why should they change it as long as they can simply buy a politician and their power of office?
Many pharmaceuticals only mask symptoms and do little, if anything, to cure an illness. There is not as much money in health care as there is is "Sick Care".
Health care and the attendant drug programs should be the Commons of the People and not up for sale. Remember the little phrase, "We The People", we need to give it some meaning again. Not just a piece of paper.
But heh I sound like a Commie, I must need a little purple pill.
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Posted by: Ocracoke on Jan 16, 2009 9:40 AM
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Civil attorney Steve Sheller and the AG's office in Philadelphia successfully made Lilly pay $1.4 billion (yes, that's a "b") in civil and criminal penalties for its fraudulent marketing, selling and "pushing" of its antipsychotic drug Zyprexa.
Zyprexa is approved for schizophrenia and a highly agitated, manic form of bi-polar disorder (although if you were to ask Big Pharma and their doctor shills, we're all a little 'bi-polar,' these days, don't you know?). But well over 50% of its sales were for off-label "problems."
Lilly sales rep urged doctors to prescribe Zyprexa to treat disruptive children and tranquilize nursing home patients. They started dispensing the powerful antipsychotic like candy, marketing it for non-approved off-label uses including Alzheimer’s, depression and dementia. The side effects were onerous.
$1.4 billion may sound like a lot of money-- but it's Lilly's biggest seller. They make over $4 billion a year on the drug! And... US atty Laurie Magid said "Lilly made hundreds of millions of dollars by convincing health care providers that Zyprexa was safe and effective for unapproved uses and in the process risked the health and lives of patients.”
Great... now WHO is going to jail?? I'd love to see the CEO of Lilly (George H. W. Bush is a former member of their Board of Trustees, by the way) dressed in orange picking up trash on the side of the road... but I won't hold my breath.
Check out:
http:// media.prnewswire.com/en/jsp/preview.jsp?resourceid=3899881
http:// www.usdoj.gov/usao/pae/News/Pr/2009/jan/lillyrelease.pdf
http:// newsroom.lilly.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=359242
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» we're all a little bi-polar these days...
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 16, 2009 10:59 AM
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Please read and heed. BIG BUSINESS has been not just been getting richer, but more powerful ever since the Air Traffic Controllers Union was broken by Reagan in the 1980's. That was a sure sign of the war on working people that followed! As the rules and regulations have gone onto the pyre, Incompetent cronies have been installed to run the very institutions that were supposed to protect the PUBLIC INTEREST!
BIG PHARMA is no exception! That corporations have become more rich and powerful has been proven - think BANKING INDUSTRY! Many of the drugs that were approved, come with warning labels sooooooo tiny you need a magnifying glass to read all of the "possible side effects"! All the while these people are fighting behind the scenes so that prices are fixed upwards, and no competition from others, no laissez-faire (free-market) attitudes there! It is time that the individuals running these corporations learn some lessons: maybe they should be forced to take some of these same drugs & then have to go off of them cold turkey, or what about a little sleep deprivation?
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» in some ways this is what medical marijuana providers are doing in california.
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Posted by: Gisele on Jan 16, 2009 1:23 PM
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Big Spenders
A decade of lobbying dollars, by industry, 1998 to 2008
1. Pharmaceuticals/Health Products - $1.5 billion
2. Insurance - $1.1 billion
3. Electric Utilities - $1 billion
4. Computers/Internet - $820 million
5. Business Associations - $745 million
6. Education - $727 million(excludes money from teachers' unions)
7. Real Estate - $696 million
8. Oil and Gas - $687 million
9. Hospitals/Nursing Homes - $649 million
10. Miscellaneous Manufacturing and Distributing - $613 million
The full article
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Jan 16, 2009 2:02 PM
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Drug companies don't make much money creating drugs for rare diseases. They make most of their profits on widely used, common products for widespread, common "lifestyle" diseases.
The most common illnesses for which drugs are prescribed (high cholesterol, high blood pressure, arthritis, type II diabetes and mild depression) can be treated with diet, exercise and nutritional supplements.
St. John's Wort has been shown in studies to be as effective as Prozac.
NSAIDS (non-steroidal anti inflammatory drugs such as Ibuprofen) dull arthritis pain while causing increased joint damage in the long run by suppressing the body's natural healing mechanisms. You'd be better off taking glucosamine.
Lose the extra weight, eat fruits and vegetables instead of processed high-starch junk food and get off the couch, and all those expensive and dangerous prescription pills won't be necessary any more. You'll feel better too, and the only side effect will be longer life expectancy.
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Posted by: be marc on Jan 16, 2009 5:09 PM
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American Justice at its finest.
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Posted by: tchii on Jan 16, 2009 5:12 PM
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We could get rid of all our healthcare woes by simply changing the way that we pay Doctors. Instead of paying insurance companies to diagose our problems and make life or death decisions for us, we should be paying that stipend to the doctor....as long as we are healthy. As soon as you get sick, you stop paying. Each doctor would have his own patient base and that patient base would be responsible for paying their stipend. Paying anyone to keep you sick is just plain stupid.
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Posted by: donsheldon on Jan 16, 2009 8:44 PM
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This is not to say that Big Pharma can be forgiven. Far from it. Just take away their customers by removing from the Md's their discretion to use any drug for other than it's FDA approved diagnosed disease. It would be a very cost effective control and it will also save many lives.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Jan 16, 2009 11:22 PM
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That is not how science works.
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Posted by: kungfuma on Jan 17, 2009 6:41 AM
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My husband and daughter are so similar in nature (which is why we dont get along well) They are "doctor" freaks.I honestly am scared of doc and pretty much dont go there.Not that I am right ...but traditonal oriental med.speaks to my sense of logic and well being: diet exercise meditation herbs( incl herb)just make sense. One becomes responsible for ones own preventative med ,or health and stays connected (as we should be) to ones own body,mind ,spirit complex. Our body,mind,spirit are happier yoked (yoga)and I also happen to know that self healing takes place. They sure dont want you knowing THAT!
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Posted by: cherylholmes on Jan 17, 2009 9:14 PM
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Lawmakers are also in the pocket of big pharma so don't expect any help from them. I would refuse to take any newer medicine in the last 10 years or so personally.
Neurontin is also very addictive. It was prescribed to my sister for fibromyalgia pain. She got sicker and sicker on it, so she went off it. It does nothing for pain...she had horrible withdrawl from it too.
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Posted by: hoorah on Jan 18, 2009 11:14 AM
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I've already decided that I'm not taking any long-term or life-long prescription medications. May God keep the well, well.
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Posted by: mcgoo on Jan 19, 2009 4:10 PM
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Remember Jane Akre and Steve Wilson getting fired over the rBGH story? I try not to include anything but organic dairy in my diet. If Fox had aired the rBGH story, popular outcry would have gotten it banned in the U.S., as it is in the E.U.
The same goes for Aspartame, SSRI's, and GMO's.
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Tell Your Congressmen and Women to Co Sponsor the Health Freedom Protection Act, H.R. 2117
The FDA is on a rampage against dietary supplements. Preventing reasonable and factual health claims, the FDA is using its immense power to fuel the pharmaceutical profit picture at the expense of the lives and health of hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. The rights of Americans to learn about natural products through truthful, science-based health claims is routinely stifled to the detriment of health and health freedom in the United States.
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Posted by: sopomike on Jan 24, 2009 4:20 PM
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Posted by: Vince2 on Jan 16, 2009 1:09 AM
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Good stuff! Overprescription will probably someday be seen as the greatest health hazard of the early 21st Century, and pharma-fueled graft as one of our biggest public menaces. It's rather terrifying that it's not even on most people's radar.
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Posted by: weathered on Jan 16, 2009 1:28 AM
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Look into their old lab in Yonker's follow the Sackler $$$ trail and how dark this is.
See oxycotin for what it is, a bag of dope in a pill - and plenty of new customers coming back from Iraq/Afgn.
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Posted by: bonzi on Jan 16, 2009 3:02 AM
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OTOH, off-label drug use is not always bad. It is not easy to strike the balance between overprotection and no protection at all. Once strict safety tests are done and the drug is approved, perhaps FDA could maintain a public list of proposed off-label uses and (FDA-reviewed) studies on efficacy. So, decision would still be patient's (and their physician's), but, hopefully, it could be an informed one.
Punishment for lying concerning drug safety and efficacy could be quite simple: for physician, revocation of license; for drug company exec, jail; and for the company itself, what really hurts: voiding of their whole patent portfolio.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 16, 2009 5:05 AM
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Waht I found the Wierdest while on the med, I had NO emotions whatsever. Didn't feel anger, sadness or even Joy, even when circumstances warrranted it. I was a zombie!
My Husband has been on Paxil, If he misses even ONE day his personality is drastically effected. I have even be concerned about MY safety- which has never been an issue and we've been married for 16 yrs!He either goes into bouts of crying jags (not the type) or rampages (also not the type).
these meds pose dangers far beyond the physical concerns, they place the person and those around them in SERIOUS danger.
sugar substitutes have caused many helath problems, when natural sugar poses none to most people. I'm now back to the basics on Meds, those 'Self medicating' non prescription kind, I find I am healthier and more mentally balanced, and I don't require them daily, so they are an 'As Needed' solution to periodic situations. Have a drink, smoke a joint or eat some chocolate, works far better with far less side effects.
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» Good story. Thanks for sharing that.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 16, 2009 5:09 AM
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Some CEOs pf Big PhRMA have engaged in criminal behavior and need to be indicted, found guilty and jailed
In 2002 I release a forecast for the Drug Industry (see below) I called them in that forecast drug pushers. Most of my other points have become manifest also
“Major Trouble ahead for Pharmaceutical firms”
1)Classical example of how greed and arrogance and the excesses of the free market takes something that is truly miraculous (life saving drugs/vaccines) and moves it to excess which then "backfires" See Teller -"When Technology Bites Back" or Dutton “ Worse Than The Disease"
2)Direct marketing to consumers on TV is a real debacle- the pharm companies come across as bone-fide drug pushers which they have become!
3)Science will show an increasing number of pharm products do more harm than good. They may be "efficacious" BUT THEY ARE NOT SAFE- grossly underestimated as contributing to cancer for example-see prempro story recently
4)Polypharmacy is running rampant- too many drugs for too many conditions in an individual- will get MUCH WORSE as naive boomers age and take more and more mixed meds
5)Psychotropics, analgesics and sedating antihistamines are contributing to serious safety problems on America’s highways and workplaces and who knows what other errors in judgment by leaders with this stuff swirling around their brains
6)Medications, especially psychotropics and analgesics are migrating in
alarmingly large quantities to illicit market (eg. Oxycotin)
7)Yet politically, denying NEEDED drugs to elderly is hottest political issue going-another one is denying affordable drugs to millions dying of aids especially in Africa. So some populations are UNDERMEDICATED. Many in US are OVERMEDICATED
8)In high density populations there is the issue of ultimate ENVIRONMENTAL FATE in soil and water of human excreted medicines and/or their metabolites
9)Congressional Hearings ahead with tone of Tobacco and Asbestos
Richard A. Lippin, MD
Health Sector forecaster-July 2002
Southampton,Pa
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 16, 2009 6:23 AM
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But it needs to get it approved using blind clinical trials - where for example some patients receive the drug and some people receive a placebo - a pill that doesn't actually have any active ingredients.
Only the organiser of the trial knows which patients receive the drug and which patients receive the placebo.
If as a result of such a trial - significantly more patients suddenly drop dead who are taking the drug rather than the placebo, you may think that the trial would be halted immediately and the drug banned from use.
However if you read an exceedingly well researched book - "Deadly Medicine: Why Tens of Thousands of Heart Patients Died in America's Worst Drug Disaster"
by Thomas J. Moore.....
You will be completely shocked and amazed with regards to what actually happens in such situations
Here is a review of it. Whilst it is out of print second hand copies are still available on amazon.
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http://www.ralphmoss.com/cach381.html
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Posted by: ksun77 on Jan 16, 2009 6:55 AM
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Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 16, 2009 8:15 AM
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http://www.whale.to/a/medical_mafia.html
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 16, 2009 8:23 AM
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This is just one more BIG reason why America requires a single–payer healthcare system like European nations have. Put doctors on salary – and put Big Pharma executives on a slow boat to somewhere far, far away. (Tierra del Fuego comes to mind....)
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jan 16, 2009 8:48 AM
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If anyone is interested in this issue, I recommend "Dispensing With the Truth" by Alicia Mundy! It chronicled the fen-phen murders. Among its revelations:
* Wyeth-Ayerst knew beyond a shadow of a doubt of the drugs side effects before it was released
* Company execs made statements to the effect that it is NOT acceptable to sacrifice sales for safety
* C Everett Koop's Shape Up America was sponsored by Wyeth to make weight consciousness first and foremost in the public's mind. (Since lifestyle change only results in moderate weight loss and "ideal" weights are determined by pharma, they were hoping to send them running to the pills). When the scandal came out, funding for the program dried up
* The "obesity kills 300,000 a year" came from pharma marketers. ( A study was done later by an Alabama quack hack to back it up.)
*Long after it was know the drug was causing heart problems in the U.S., media was running front page stories on its safety! (Showing just what puppets MSM are.)
*Wyeth was so dirty, its lawyers made the elderly plaintiff parents suing on behalf of their barely plumb deceased daughter march down to their basement and get their bereavement cards and funeral registry because they tried to smirch her character.
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Posted by: kenhymes on Jan 16, 2009 9:08 AM
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I don't claim there is NOTHING there scientifically. But I do assert that vague, impressive sounding claims about brain science and genetics are thick on the ground, and almost all are presented as pointing to new "treatments." With all the examples of malfeasance and corruption and suppression of data we have available to us, how can we afford to trust the claims of branches of science which are funded by or otherwise tied to corporate interests?
Consider the contrast with zoology, archaeology, astronomy, oceanography, to name but a few. Other than a few military-related contracts, there is only straight grant and university funding available for these fields. And when's the last time you heard of someone falsifying a fossil find.
So I don't question the value of science in our culture, I question the confusion of science with commerce. I think that those on the left who see religion as an irrational force in conflict with the impartial reason of science need to recognize the extent to which both are changing. Sometimes the rational pursuit of profitable "truths" is in dire need of some irrational, unreasonable values to guide it. The unseen, ineffable qualities of mutual respect, freedom of thought, desire to avoid causing harm... these are not utilitarian, empirically derived conclusions... they are a heart/mind/spirit thing.
Let's find out everything we can about the world, and not try to protect the fundamentalist religious worldview from the resulting data, but let's also remember that while our scientific methods may be theoretically impartial and rational, we ourselves are not, and never will be. It's not a "post-modernist" cop-out to insist that technology and science should serve human and ecological needs, not be our unquestioned masters.
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Posted by: marid on Jan 16, 2009 9:15 AM
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The revolving doors from Politics to executive boards and consulting jobs pays off handsomely for the politicians either by keeping them in office or providing a cushy position after their loyal servitude to the American people has ended. Big Pharma has a great business model and it works for them, why should they change it as long as they can simply buy a politician and their power of office?
Many pharmaceuticals only mask symptoms and do little, if anything, to cure an illness. There is not as much money in health care as there is is "Sick Care".
Health care and the attendant drug programs should be the Commons of the People and not up for sale. Remember the little phrase, "We The People", we need to give it some meaning again. Not just a piece of paper.
But heh I sound like a Commie, I must need a little purple pill.
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Posted by: Ocracoke on Jan 16, 2009 9:40 AM
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Civil attorney Steve Sheller and the AG's office in Philadelphia successfully made Lilly pay $1.4 billion (yes, that's a "b") in civil and criminal penalties for its fraudulent marketing, selling and "pushing" of its antipsychotic drug Zyprexa.
Zyprexa is approved for schizophrenia and a highly agitated, manic form of bi-polar disorder (although if you were to ask Big Pharma and their doctor shills, we're all a little 'bi-polar,' these days, don't you know?). But well over 50% of its sales were for off-label "problems."
Lilly sales rep urged doctors to prescribe Zyprexa to treat disruptive children and tranquilize nursing home patients. They started dispensing the powerful antipsychotic like candy, marketing it for non-approved off-label uses including Alzheimer’s, depression and dementia. The side effects were onerous.
$1.4 billion may sound like a lot of money-- but it's Lilly's biggest seller. They make over $4 billion a year on the drug! And... US atty Laurie Magid said "Lilly made hundreds of millions of dollars by convincing health care providers that Zyprexa was safe and effective for unapproved uses and in the process risked the health and lives of patients.”
Great... now WHO is going to jail?? I'd love to see the CEO of Lilly (George H. W. Bush is a former member of their Board of Trustees, by the way) dressed in orange picking up trash on the side of the road... but I won't hold my breath.
Check out:
http:// media.prnewswire.com/en/jsp/preview.jsp?resourceid=3899881
http:// www.usdoj.gov/usao/pae/News/Pr/2009/jan/lillyrelease.pdf
http:// newsroom.lilly.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=359242
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» we're all a little bi-polar these days...
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 16, 2009 10:59 AM
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Please read and heed. BIG BUSINESS has been not just been getting richer, but more powerful ever since the Air Traffic Controllers Union was broken by Reagan in the 1980's. That was a sure sign of the war on working people that followed! As the rules and regulations have gone onto the pyre, Incompetent cronies have been installed to run the very institutions that were supposed to protect the PUBLIC INTEREST!
BIG PHARMA is no exception! That corporations have become more rich and powerful has been proven - think BANKING INDUSTRY! Many of the drugs that were approved, come with warning labels sooooooo tiny you need a magnifying glass to read all of the "possible side effects"! All the while these people are fighting behind the scenes so that prices are fixed upwards, and no competition from others, no laissez-faire (free-market) attitudes there! It is time that the individuals running these corporations learn some lessons: maybe they should be forced to take some of these same drugs & then have to go off of them cold turkey, or what about a little sleep deprivation?
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» in some ways this is what medical marijuana providers are doing in california.
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Posted by: Gisele on Jan 16, 2009 1:23 PM
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Big Spenders
A decade of lobbying dollars, by industry, 1998 to 2008
1. Pharmaceuticals/Health Products - $1.5 billion
2. Insurance - $1.1 billion
3. Electric Utilities - $1 billion
4. Computers/Internet - $820 million
5. Business Associations - $745 million
6. Education - $727 million(excludes money from teachers' unions)
7. Real Estate - $696 million
8. Oil and Gas - $687 million
9. Hospitals/Nursing Homes - $649 million
10. Miscellaneous Manufacturing and Distributing - $613 million
The full article
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Jan 16, 2009 2:02 PM
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Drug companies don't make much money creating drugs for rare diseases. They make most of their profits on widely used, common products for widespread, common "lifestyle" diseases.
The most common illnesses for which drugs are prescribed (high cholesterol, high blood pressure, arthritis, type II diabetes and mild depression) can be treated with diet, exercise and nutritional supplements.
St. John's Wort has been shown in studies to be as effective as Prozac.
NSAIDS (non-steroidal anti inflammatory drugs such as Ibuprofen) dull arthritis pain while causing increased joint damage in the long run by suppressing the body's natural healing mechanisms. You'd be better off taking glucosamine.
Lose the extra weight, eat fruits and vegetables instead of processed high-starch junk food and get off the couch, and all those expensive and dangerous prescription pills won't be necessary any more. You'll feel better too, and the only side effect will be longer life expectancy.
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Posted by: be marc on Jan 16, 2009 5:09 PM
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American Justice at its finest.
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Posted by: tchii on Jan 16, 2009 5:12 PM
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We could get rid of all our healthcare woes by simply changing the way that we pay Doctors. Instead of paying insurance companies to diagose our problems and make life or death decisions for us, we should be paying that stipend to the doctor....as long as we are healthy. As soon as you get sick, you stop paying. Each doctor would have his own patient base and that patient base would be responsible for paying their stipend. Paying anyone to keep you sick is just plain stupid.
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Posted by: donsheldon on Jan 16, 2009 8:44 PM
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This is not to say that Big Pharma can be forgiven. Far from it. Just take away their customers by removing from the Md's their discretion to use any drug for other than it's FDA approved diagnosed disease. It would be a very cost effective control and it will also save many lives.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Jan 16, 2009 11:22 PM
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That is not how science works.
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Posted by: kungfuma on Jan 17, 2009 6:41 AM
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My husband and daughter are so similar in nature (which is why we dont get along well) They are "doctor" freaks.I honestly am scared of doc and pretty much dont go there.Not that I am right ...but traditonal oriental med.speaks to my sense of logic and well being: diet exercise meditation herbs( incl herb)just make sense. One becomes responsible for ones own preventative med ,or health and stays connected (as we should be) to ones own body,mind ,spirit complex. Our body,mind,spirit are happier yoked (yoga)and I also happen to know that self healing takes place. They sure dont want you knowing THAT!
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Posted by: cherylholmes on Jan 17, 2009 9:14 PM
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Lawmakers are also in the pocket of big pharma so don't expect any help from them. I would refuse to take any newer medicine in the last 10 years or so personally.
Neurontin is also very addictive. It was prescribed to my sister for fibromyalgia pain. She got sicker and sicker on it, so she went off it. It does nothing for pain...she had horrible withdrawl from it too.
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Posted by: hoorah on Jan 18, 2009 11:14 AM
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I've already decided that I'm not taking any long-term or life-long prescription medications. May God keep the well, well.
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Posted by: mcgoo on Jan 19, 2009 4:10 PM
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Remember Jane Akre and Steve Wilson getting fired over the rBGH story? I try not to include anything but organic dairy in my diet. If Fox had aired the rBGH story, popular outcry would have gotten it banned in the U.S., as it is in the E.U.
The same goes for Aspartame, SSRI's, and GMO's.
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Posted by: beauley on Jan 19, 2009 4:14 PM
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Tell Your Congressmen and Women to Co Sponsor the Health Freedom Protection Act, H.R. 2117
The FDA is on a rampage against dietary supplements. Preventing reasonable and factual health claims, the FDA is using its immense power to fuel the pharmaceutical profit picture at the expense of the lives and health of hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. The rights of Americans to learn about natural products through truthful, science-based health claims is routinely stifled to the detriment of health and health freedom in the United States.
Health Freedom USA
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