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Sanjay Gupta: What the Next Surgeon General Doesn't Know About Pot
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If Dr. Sanjay Gupta is picked for the post of surgeon general, he would become the nation's leading medical advocate. His experience in the media would be beneficial in bringing the Surgeon General's office back to the prominence it held when C. Everett Koop was successfully battling tobacco smoking.
But is Gupta ready to deliver the Obama administration's promised end to the politicization of science and medicine? More specifically, will Gupta toe the federal line that cannabis is lacking in any medical value, or will he recognize what 13 states and the past 12 years of research prove -- that cannabis is a beneficial medicine for some people and an intoxicant far less harmful than alcohol for others?
In 2002, Gupta was more than willing to echo the outrageous claims that smoking pot would lead to psychosis, depression and schizophrenia:
But the three studies you are talking about talk specifically about schizophrenia and depression, and the fact that marijuana use earlier in life actually may lead to an increased -- 30 percent increase -- in schizophrenia later in life.
Depression, also a very big diagnosis -- roughly 18.8 million in this country have it. Again, they looked this time at 1,600 high school students and followed them over about seven years. This is in Australia, not in the United States. But they actually found that all of these boys and girls, particularly girls, were more vulnerable to the symptoms of depression later on in life, again if they were frequent or even daily marijuana users.
I hope that the next surgeon general has been following the research on cannabis and mental health since 2002. This year, Dr. Mikkel Arendt of Aarhus University in Risskov, Denmark, said that people treated for a so-called cannabis-induced psychosis "…would have developed schizophrenia whether or not they used cannabis."
I hope that Gupta has kept up with the journal Schizophrenia Research and the research published there last year by the London's Institute of Psychiatry, which found no statistically significant "differences in symptomatology between schizophrenic patients who were or were not cannabis users," found no "evidence that cannabis users with schizophrenia were more likely to have a family member with the disorder" and that these findings "argue against a distinct schizophrenic-like psychosis caused by cannabis," authors concluded.
Regarding depression, in 2006, researchers at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore found "that the associations observed between marijuana use and subsequent depression status may be attributable not to continued marijuana use, per se, but to third (common) factors associated with both the decision to use marijuana and to depression." In fact, the year prior, researchers at USC had found among cannabis smokers, "those who used once per week or less had less depressed mood, more positive affect and fewer somatic (physical) complaints than non-users," and that "[d]aily users [also] reported less depressed mood and more positive affect than non-users."
Or we could just ask the incoming surgeon general to apply some common sense. If smoking cannabis is a strong predictor of future depression or schizophrenia, then shouldn't there be a spike in the reporting of those conditions around 1978, when 37 percent of high school seniors reported past-month cannabis use, and a decline in depression and schizophrenia around 1992, when the modern low of 12 percent was reported? Instead, what we find is that about 1 percent of the population develops schizophrenia, and that figure stays relatively steady even as cannabis use rises and falls.
In 2006, Gupta was penning the article "Why I Would Vote No on Pot" for Time magazine as Colorado and Nevada had non-medical-cannabis-regulation ballot measures pending. It doesn't seem like he's been following the past two decades of research:
I'm constantly amazed that after all these years -- and all the wars on drugs and all the public-service announcements -- nearly 15 million Americans still use marijuana at least once a month.
Frequent marijuana use can seriously affect your short-term memory. It can impair your cognitive ability (why do you think people call it dope?) and lead to long-lasting depression or anxiety. While many people smoke marijuana to relax, it can have the opposite effect on frequent users. And smoking anything, whether it's tobacco or marijuana, can seriously damage your lung tissue.
But I'm here to tell you, as a doctor, that despite all the talk about the medical benefits of marijuana, smoking the stuff is not going to do your health any good. And if you get high before climbing behind the wheel of a car, you will be putting yourself and those around you in danger.
First, I'm wondering what Gupta is amazed about -- that 15 million Americans trust their own experiences with cannabis over government anti-drug propaganda and hyperbole? The anti-drug PSAs he mentions have been proven to not reduce teen cannabis use and may actually increase it. The Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania was commissioned by the National Institute on Drug Abuse to study the effect of government anti-cannabis ad campaigns over four years and found, "Youth who were more exposed to Campaign messages are no more likely to hold favorable beliefs or intentions about marijuana than are youth less exposed to those messages, both during the Marijuana Initiative period and over the entire course of the Campaign."
Gupta claims that smoking cannabis will impair your cognitive ability, and again, I fear he's parroting politics rather than following the research. Just this November, the journal Neuropsychopharmacology published data from Columbia University that reported "the finding that accuracy [on cognitive testing] was unaffected by smoked marijuana indicates that heavy, daily marijuana smokers will not fulfill the DSM-IV [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition] criterion for marijuana intoxication that requires impairment of complex cognitive functioning," This is on the heels of a Harvard study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry that determined that long-term marijuana smokers who abstain from the drug for one week or more perform identically on cognition tests as non-users, and a previous study on marijuana and cognition by researchers at Johns Hopkins that found "no significant differences in cognitive decline between heavy users, light users and non-users of cannabis" over a 15-year period in a cohort of 1,318 subjects.
Gupta also makes the mistake of comparing tobacco smoke to cannabis smoke. While it is true that long-term cannabis smoking can lead to wheezing, cough and bronchitis, investigators writing last year in the journal Thorax did not find a positive association between smoking cannabis and the development of emphysema (overinflation of the air sacs in the lungs). Of course, all the pulmonary harms of smoking cannabis can be alleviated through eating it or through cannabis vaporization. Investigators at San Francisco General Hospital reported last year in the journal Clinical Pharmacology & Therapeutics that the "vaporization of marijuana does not result in exposure to combustion gases." A previous clinical trial, published in 2006 in the Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences, reported that vaporization is a "safe and effective" cannabinoid delivery system that "avoid[s] the respiratory disadvantages of smoking."
In 1997, Dr. Donald Tashkin's research at the UCLA Medical Center found that, "Neither the continuing nor the intermittent marijuana smokers exhibited any significantly different rates of decline in [lung function]" as compared with those individuals who never smoked marijuana. "No differences were noted between even quite heavy marijuana smoking and nonsmoking of marijuana." These findings starkly contrasted those experienced by tobacco-only smokers who suffered a significant rate of decline in lung function.
By 2006, the Washington Post reported on Tashkin's latest research on cannabis use and cancer. Tashkin said, "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
As for driving, nobody here at NORML suggests that people smoke cannabis and then drive a car. But someone's potential irresponsible use of cannabis is not an argument for the danger of cannabis itself. In fact, researchers at Britain's Transport Research Laboratory found in September that text messaging and alcohol are far more dangerous on the road than cannabis. "The reaction times of people texting as they drove fell by 35 percent, while those who had consumed the legal limit of alcohol, or taken cannabis, fell by 21 percent and 12 percent respectively."
To be fair, in his 2006 Time article, Gupta does seem to begrudgingly admit some of cannabis' vast medicinal uses:
Several recent studies, including a new one from the Scripps Research Institute, show that THC, the chemical in marijuana responsible for the high, can help slow the progress of Alzheimer's disease. (In fact, it seems to block the formation of disease-causing plaques better than several mainstream drugs.) Other studies have shown THC to be a very effective anti-nausea treatment for people -- cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy, for example -- for whom conventional medications aren't working. And medical cannabis has shown promise relieving pain in patients with multiple sclerosis and reducing intraocular pressure in glaucoma patients.
But back in 2002, even when he gives in on the most recognized medical uses of cannabis, he still recites the government line that there are other drugs that can be used instead of cannabis:
There are some benefits to marijuana use. It can make cancer chemotherapy patients hungrier -- also in HIV and AIDS patients. … And marijuana can offer some of those things, especially when it comes to reducing nausea and vomiting, not advocating that necessarily myself. I think there are other ways to do that besides marijuana.
This is the mind-set I call "marijuana as medicine of last resort." It's the concept that any time a medical benefit to cannabis is absolutely undeniable, then it can be somewhat accepted, but only if no other medicine will suffice. This "medicine of last resort" idea is the notion that if both OxyContin and cannabis will relieve pain, you should take OxyContin because it is legal, despite the fact that OxyContin is addictive and has severe side effects. It's the notion that if you're vomiting from severe nausea, you should first try to swallow a synthetic THC pill called Marinol that won't work for 45 minutes rather than smoking an illegal doobie that works immediately. Even when cannabis is the superior medicine for a symptom or condition, the drug-war mentality that there are "good" drugs and "bad" drugs kicks in, and the doctors will recommend a less-effective "good" drug over the more-effective "bad" one.
In a weekly radio address to the nation, President-elect Barack Obama offered his view of science and public policy:
Because the truth is that promoting science isn't just about providing resources -- it's about protecting free and open inquiry. It's about ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology. It's about listening to what our scientists have to say, even when it's inconvenient -- especially when it's inconvenient. Because the highest purpose of science is the search for knowledge, truth and a greater understanding of the world around us. That will be my goal as president of the United States -- and I could not have a better team to guide me in this work.
If your team is going to ensure the science behind medical cannabis isn't twisted by ideology, we'd invite you and Gupta to meet with us here at NORML so we can show you all the inconvenient truths about cannabis that have been discovered over the past 12 years. Thirteen states and millions of medical users are depending on you to support the truth, not the politics, Dr. Gupta. Will you have the courage of another surgeon general, Dr. Joycelyn Elders, who testified in support of medical marijuana in Rhode Island, saying:
The evidence is overwhelming that marijuana can relieve certain types of pain, nausea, vomiting and other symptoms caused by such illnesses as multiple sclerosis, cancer and AIDS -- or by the harsh drugs sometimes used to treat them. And it can do so with remarkable safety. Indeed, marijuana is less toxic than many of the drugs that physicians prescribe every day. It is simply wrong for the sick and suffering to be casualties in the war on drugs. Let's get rid of the myths and institute sound public-health policy.
Sound public health policy free from drug war mythology? President-elect Obama, Dr. Gupta, that is the kind of change we can believe in.
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Posted by: georgekat on Jan 8, 2009 2:11 AM
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http://www.naturalnews.com/025267.html
As this article points out, Marcia Angell would make a wonderful Surgeon General. She is former Editor-in-Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and author of several books, in which she delineates the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry.
Of course, Obama feels he has to offer "pay-back" for all that money he received from the industry.
But really why pick a celebrity?
Someone entirely lacking gravitas.
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Posted by: ProfBob on Jan 8, 2009 5:05 AM
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2. Being fat soluble the negative effects are duration linked, not dose linked as in many drugs. This might also affect driving for a long period after the last use.
3. Wherever marijuana is the best medicine for the illness, it is a strong reason for its use, but other palliatives seem equally effective without the intoxicating effects.
4. The THC dosage in 1978 that the high schoolers were smoking was usually in the 0.5 to 1.0%. The doses now are far higher, often in the 5 to 12% range. This might have different effects on the user.
5. Much more research is needed. Just as aspirin can reduce a headache or prevent a heart attack, it can also cause serious gastric bleeding. Few medicines are all good or all bad.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 8, 2009 5:31 AM
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I agree that Gupta is an excellent communicator. But big questions are-
-What does he really stand for?
-What are his core values?
-What are his priorities?
It seems that he reports on anything and everything? And seems very tied to much of what is wrong with US Organized Medicine and those who profiteer from it by daily headline?"
The fundamental criteria for Surgeon General is have the moral fiber and backbone to fight for science and values based public health for all American's (That IS the job!)
Gupta is not the change we need?
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Posted by: picket on Jan 8, 2009 7:11 AM
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A++++ qualification for Gupta.... he is more a politician than most the "fast talker"..."to influence or persuade by fluent,and usually deceptive or tricky talk."
Shame on Obama OR the team, WHATEVER. Gupta is not for us !!!!!
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Posted by: Naty on Jan 8, 2009 7:41 AM
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2.)There's truth to the fat solubility premise in my experience (in addition there is objective research to support this). I am extremely skinny so my tolerance does not build up quickly, yay! I do not believe marijuana impairs driving ability. True, if you are say, IQ 80 (borderline) and smoke a joint before driving then you are probably being really dumb. But if you're decently intelligent then pot will not impair your driving ability. I have never received a ticket for anything (once a received a ticket for the parking meter) and can't tell you how many times I've driven stoned and even right after smoking. I am 22 and drive a lot.
3.) The intoxicating effects is part of the medicine! Many homo sapiens have an innate desire to alter their consciousness.
4.) Actually the stronger the weed the better because:
-one needs to inhale less (less damage to the lungs)
-one needs less energy to produce the THC (it is more concentrated)
-it is easier to control the dose when each hit is strong and definitive
5.) I think marijuana has received more research then some pharmaceuticals. But that is only conjecture!
I am a philosophy major who smoked 1/8oz of marijuana per week last semester. I received an A in logic and wrote many assignments while high (I wrote a film analysis paper and got an A+ less than 24 hours after smoking). It was my best semester at school yet and I believe it was because I had the money and accesability to finally smoke regularly. It helps me to concentrate and stay happy! I am prone to massive depression and refuse all psychiatric medications, I have been recommended lithium for bipolar disorder by a psychiatrist I saw, I have racing thoughts. Marijuana helps me deal with my brain... helps slow the thoughts down.
Marijuana helps with my creativity... I have learned so much about music while high. It's like the music is suddenly stretched and I can visualize how the component parts fit together. It is almost painful at times how the music flows not just through my mind but through my body and reverberates through each cell while high (no, I'm not writing this while high... haha, haven't smoked in a while).
I love reading while high. In fact my favorite activities are reading, listening to music, watching intelligent movies, and taking nature walks while high. Lately I read politics while high because marijuana helps suspend disbelief and denial. So much of what is happening today is so unbelievable that it's difficult to believe and accept, marijuana helps me to overcome this barrier of denial. Highly productive activities!! Productive in the sense that I develop as a person both intellectually and emotionally.
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Posted by: Naty on Jan 8, 2009 7:41 AM
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I even go jogging outside while high. I learn a lot about the movements in my body and find that HOW one runs is just as important as HOW MUCH one runs. My posture improves and I have this urgency to run smoothly and gracefully. I also get these urges while high to stretch out and get rid of tension. I have done total yoga workouts while high and the transformation in my soul after these sessions is phenomenal. I LOOK relaxed and FEEL compassion afterwards.
SO NOT POT DOES NOT MAKE ME INTO A LAZY, APATHETIC MEMBER OF SOCIETY. In fact quite the opposite is true.
When I read something difficult (especially philosophical stuff) I oftentimes smoke a little bit and walla! I understand it. And no it's not some metacognitive trick of thinking I understand the text, I truly do! When I return to the text later while not high I still understand it. By helping me appreciate from where the writer is coming from it allows me to "unlock" the author's approach and intention. The same with both music and film.
And no I'm not high right now :) I am a 22 year old female that does not look like a pothead at all. I eat extremely well, take care of myself, my family, and friends, and I REALLY REALLY care about life and have incorporated marijuana as a spiritual, intellectual, emotional, and artistic aid. I do not know why I have such a good relationship with this plant, even I am surprised! I am infinitely less nihilistic than most of the other postmodernist hedonists that make up a significant portion of western society.
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Posted by: talkville on Jan 8, 2009 7:42 AM
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The Corporate-State, as consolidated over the last 40 years, wants to teach us, to in-Doctrinate us in the "right way of being good little boys and girls"-- according to a very particular and self-designated 'divinely ordained' Order and Belief System.
Gupta will serve that System, not the people -- free citizens of a free country.
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Posted by: soulrebeljc on Jan 8, 2009 9:19 AM
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So start demanding that those who run for elected office represent what most of the public knows - pot is not harmful, in fact the laws prohibiting pot are far more detrimental in terms of lost productivity (workers in jail), destruction of family, government expenditures, etc ad nauseum. In fact, the laws themselves, in perspective, are criminal.
We are locking up from 400,000 to 700,000 for nonviolent drug offenses. There is undoubtedly racial profiling which compounds the negative effects on minorities, and particularly the poor who cannot afford a lawyer, pay their 'you done wrong' tax. I got busted for pot (1.3 grams!) in 96, paid my $500 for a lawyer, and got a 6month probation and a sealed record - because I was a white upper middle class college kid with no priors. Doubt that wouldhave happened if I was a poor hispanic kid working at Jiffy Lube. It's all bullshit. We should demand better from "the greatest country on earth."
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Posted by: sonofloud on Jan 8, 2009 10:13 AM
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He'll fit in just fine with Obama.
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House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., urged Democrats to sign onto a letter to President-elect Barack Obama urging him not to nominate Gupta, who is CNN's chief medical correspondent.
"It is not in the best interests of the nation to have someone like this who lacks the requisite experience needed to oversee the federal agency that provides crucial health care assistance to some of the poorest and most underserved communities in America," Conyers wrote in a letter released Thursday.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jan 10, 2009 9:38 AM
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For those of you that have been smoking Obama for the past year, you are about to wake up to the worst hang over you ever had.
HOPE I am wrong in the future, but the man has not yet made a REAL progressive move since elected.
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Posted by: peace'nbeach on Jan 13, 2009 10:54 AM
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There MUST be severe restrictions as to what an anchor/host may "say" during their employment whilst on-the-air, otherwise we would be hearing things quite differently than what is "reported".
I recall some of the comments made on-the-air during the 9/11 government exercise that were NEVER said or referred to AGAIN. The CEO's evidently did not get the memo out soon enough.
But since then, the past 7+ years of Bushco has had little serious criticism...........
I'm sorry...what was the question??
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Posted by: seattle420lover on Jan 13, 2009 3:37 PM
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here's an example,
The first is that marijuana isn't really very good for you. True, there are health benefits for some patients. Several recent studies, including a new one from the Scripps Research Institute, show that THC, the chemical in marijuana responsible for the high, can help slow the progress of Alzheimer's disease. ( In fact, it seems to block the formation of disease-causing plaques better than several mainstream drugs. ) Other studies have shown THC to be a very effective antinausea treatment for people--cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy, for example--for whom conventional medications aren't working. And medical cannabis has shown promise relieving pain in patients with multiple sclerosis and reducing intraocular pressure in glaucoma patients.
RIGHT THERE HE HAS CONTRADICTED HIM SELF!
(this issue means a whole lot to me because I am dealing with the after affects of a STROKE)
I have the info on two studies that he hasn't been keeping track of:
MARIJUANA IS VERY GOOD AT PREVENTING ALZHEIMERS!
and
it is very good for people who have suffered strokes!
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Posted by: georgekat on Jan 8, 2009 2:11 AM
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http://www.naturalnews.com/025267.html
As this article points out, Marcia Angell would make a wonderful Surgeon General. She is former Editor-in-Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and author of several books, in which she delineates the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry.
Of course, Obama feels he has to offer "pay-back" for all that money he received from the industry.
But really why pick a celebrity?
Someone entirely lacking gravitas.
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Posted by: ProfBob on Jan 8, 2009 5:05 AM
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2. Being fat soluble the negative effects are duration linked, not dose linked as in many drugs. This might also affect driving for a long period after the last use.
3. Wherever marijuana is the best medicine for the illness, it is a strong reason for its use, but other palliatives seem equally effective without the intoxicating effects.
4. The THC dosage in 1978 that the high schoolers were smoking was usually in the 0.5 to 1.0%. The doses now are far higher, often in the 5 to 12% range. This might have different effects on the user.
5. Much more research is needed. Just as aspirin can reduce a headache or prevent a heart attack, it can also cause serious gastric bleeding. Few medicines are all good or all bad.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 8, 2009 5:31 AM
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I agree that Gupta is an excellent communicator. But big questions are-
-What does he really stand for?
-What are his core values?
-What are his priorities?
It seems that he reports on anything and everything? And seems very tied to much of what is wrong with US Organized Medicine and those who profiteer from it by daily headline?"
The fundamental criteria for Surgeon General is have the moral fiber and backbone to fight for science and values based public health for all American's (That IS the job!)
Gupta is not the change we need?
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Posted by: newsound on Jan 8, 2009 6:01 AM
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Posted by: picket on Jan 8, 2009 7:11 AM
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A++++ qualification for Gupta.... he is more a politician than most the "fast talker"..."to influence or persuade by fluent,and usually deceptive or tricky talk."
Shame on Obama OR the team, WHATEVER. Gupta is not for us !!!!!
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Posted by: Naty on Jan 8, 2009 7:41 AM
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2.)There's truth to the fat solubility premise in my experience (in addition there is objective research to support this). I am extremely skinny so my tolerance does not build up quickly, yay! I do not believe marijuana impairs driving ability. True, if you are say, IQ 80 (borderline) and smoke a joint before driving then you are probably being really dumb. But if you're decently intelligent then pot will not impair your driving ability. I have never received a ticket for anything (once a received a ticket for the parking meter) and can't tell you how many times I've driven stoned and even right after smoking. I am 22 and drive a lot.
3.) The intoxicating effects is part of the medicine! Many homo sapiens have an innate desire to alter their consciousness.
4.) Actually the stronger the weed the better because:
-one needs to inhale less (less damage to the lungs)
-one needs less energy to produce the THC (it is more concentrated)
-it is easier to control the dose when each hit is strong and definitive
5.) I think marijuana has received more research then some pharmaceuticals. But that is only conjecture!
I am a philosophy major who smoked 1/8oz of marijuana per week last semester. I received an A in logic and wrote many assignments while high (I wrote a film analysis paper and got an A+ less than 24 hours after smoking). It was my best semester at school yet and I believe it was because I had the money and accesability to finally smoke regularly. It helps me to concentrate and stay happy! I am prone to massive depression and refuse all psychiatric medications, I have been recommended lithium for bipolar disorder by a psychiatrist I saw, I have racing thoughts. Marijuana helps me deal with my brain... helps slow the thoughts down.
Marijuana helps with my creativity... I have learned so much about music while high. It's like the music is suddenly stretched and I can visualize how the component parts fit together. It is almost painful at times how the music flows not just through my mind but through my body and reverberates through each cell while high (no, I'm not writing this while high... haha, haven't smoked in a while).
I love reading while high. In fact my favorite activities are reading, listening to music, watching intelligent movies, and taking nature walks while high. Lately I read politics while high because marijuana helps suspend disbelief and denial. So much of what is happening today is so unbelievable that it's difficult to believe and accept, marijuana helps me to overcome this barrier of denial. Highly productive activities!! Productive in the sense that I develop as a person both intellectually and emotionally.
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Posted by: Naty on Jan 8, 2009 7:41 AM
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I even go jogging outside while high. I learn a lot about the movements in my body and find that HOW one runs is just as important as HOW MUCH one runs. My posture improves and I have this urgency to run smoothly and gracefully. I also get these urges while high to stretch out and get rid of tension. I have done total yoga workouts while high and the transformation in my soul after these sessions is phenomenal. I LOOK relaxed and FEEL compassion afterwards.
SO NOT POT DOES NOT MAKE ME INTO A LAZY, APATHETIC MEMBER OF SOCIETY. In fact quite the opposite is true.
When I read something difficult (especially philosophical stuff) I oftentimes smoke a little bit and walla! I understand it. And no it's not some metacognitive trick of thinking I understand the text, I truly do! When I return to the text later while not high I still understand it. By helping me appreciate from where the writer is coming from it allows me to "unlock" the author's approach and intention. The same with both music and film.
And no I'm not high right now :) I am a 22 year old female that does not look like a pothead at all. I eat extremely well, take care of myself, my family, and friends, and I REALLY REALLY care about life and have incorporated marijuana as a spiritual, intellectual, emotional, and artistic aid. I do not know why I have such a good relationship with this plant, even I am surprised! I am infinitely less nihilistic than most of the other postmodernist hedonists that make up a significant portion of western society.
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Posted by: talkville on Jan 8, 2009 7:42 AM
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The Corporate-State, as consolidated over the last 40 years, wants to teach us, to in-Doctrinate us in the "right way of being good little boys and girls"-- according to a very particular and self-designated 'divinely ordained' Order and Belief System.
Gupta will serve that System, not the people -- free citizens of a free country.
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So start demanding that those who run for elected office represent what most of the public knows - pot is not harmful, in fact the laws prohibiting pot are far more detrimental in terms of lost productivity (workers in jail), destruction of family, government expenditures, etc ad nauseum. In fact, the laws themselves, in perspective, are criminal.
We are locking up from 400,000 to 700,000 for nonviolent drug offenses. There is undoubtedly racial profiling which compounds the negative effects on minorities, and particularly the poor who cannot afford a lawyer, pay their 'you done wrong' tax. I got busted for pot (1.3 grams!) in 96, paid my $500 for a lawyer, and got a 6month probation and a sealed record - because I was a white upper middle class college kid with no priors. Doubt that wouldhave happened if I was a poor hispanic kid working at Jiffy Lube. It's all bullshit. We should demand better from "the greatest country on earth."
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Posted by: sonofloud on Jan 8, 2009 10:13 AM
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He'll fit in just fine with Obama.
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House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., urged Democrats to sign onto a letter to President-elect Barack Obama urging him not to nominate Gupta, who is CNN's chief medical correspondent.
"It is not in the best interests of the nation to have someone like this who lacks the requisite experience needed to oversee the federal agency that provides crucial health care assistance to some of the poorest and most underserved communities in America," Conyers wrote in a letter released Thursday.
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Posted by: pacto on Jan 8, 2009 2:01 PM
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jan 10, 2009 9:38 AM
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For those of you that have been smoking Obama for the past year, you are about to wake up to the worst hang over you ever had.
HOPE I am wrong in the future, but the man has not yet made a REAL progressive move since elected.
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Posted by: markw4786 on Jan 12, 2009 4:48 PM
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Posted by: peace'nbeach on Jan 13, 2009 10:54 AM
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There MUST be severe restrictions as to what an anchor/host may "say" during their employment whilst on-the-air, otherwise we would be hearing things quite differently than what is "reported".
I recall some of the comments made on-the-air during the 9/11 government exercise that were NEVER said or referred to AGAIN. The CEO's evidently did not get the memo out soon enough.
But since then, the past 7+ years of Bushco has had little serious criticism...........
I'm sorry...what was the question??
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Posted by: seattle420lover on Jan 13, 2009 3:37 PM
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here's an example,
The first is that marijuana isn't really very good for you. True, there are health benefits for some patients. Several recent studies, including a new one from the Scripps Research Institute, show that THC, the chemical in marijuana responsible for the high, can help slow the progress of Alzheimer's disease. ( In fact, it seems to block the formation of disease-causing plaques better than several mainstream drugs. ) Other studies have shown THC to be a very effective antinausea treatment for people--cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy, for example--for whom conventional medications aren't working. And medical cannabis has shown promise relieving pain in patients with multiple sclerosis and reducing intraocular pressure in glaucoma patients.
RIGHT THERE HE HAS CONTRADICTED HIM SELF!
(this issue means a whole lot to me because I am dealing with the after affects of a STROKE)
I have the info on two studies that he hasn't been keeping track of:
MARIJUANA IS VERY GOOD AT PREVENTING ALZHEIMERS!
and
it is very good for people who have suffered strokes!
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