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Why We Need Sleep Even More Than We Think

New reports warn of serious health woes for those those who don't get enough shut-eye.
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Sleep. It's something everyone likes to do and can't seem to do without.

Yet many Americans do with a lot less than they'd like. Suffering from chronic insomnia, they know all too well the deadening fatigue that follows interrupted sleep. But while the mental misery of sleeplessness is well documented, some eye-opening new reports warn serious health woes may await those who don't get enough shut-eye.

Sleep researchers at UCLA have found, for example, that losing even a single night's sleep causes the body's immune system to turn on healthy tissues. That may implicate sleep deficits in cardiovascular disease, some cancers, obesity, arthritis, diabetes and various autoimmune disorders.

Heavy snoring was found to be an independent risk factor for carotid atherosclerosis, raising the risk for stroke, according to research done at the University of Sydney in Australia, and a study by Dutch scientists showed that insomnia compromised cognitive processes related to verbal fluency, actually damping down the activity of the brain's prefrontal cortex.

Researchers used to regard lost sleep as more of an inconvenience than a health risk, says Dr. Chiara Cirelli, a sleep researcher in the department of psychiatry at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. "Now we know that sleep restriction for even a week has very profound cognitive effects."

It's enough to keep one up at night. More than a third of adults report having had some insomnia symptoms within a given year, according to the American Insomnia Association, and 10 to 15 percent of adults suffer from chronic insomnia.

The good news is that nonpharmacological strategies can be effective in battling insomnia. These include cognitive-behavioral therapy, which cuts through the spiraling anxiety that perpetuates sleeplessness, and maintaining good bedtime routines.

Scientists still don't know exactly why animals sleep, said Cirelli, whose recent study "Is Sleep Essential?" was published online by PLoS Biology. She and colleague Giulio Tononi considered the "null hypothesis" — that sleep is not essential. If that assumption, posed earlier this year by UCLA scientist Jerome Siegel, is correct, one would expect to find animals that don't sleep and animals that don't need recovery sleep when sleep-deprived. There also should be no serious consequences to going without sleep.

In "Do All Animals Sleep?" published in Trends in Neuroscience, Siegel cited some creatures that seem to do without sleep, including dolphins, which constantly surface to breathe. But dolphins exhibit "unihemispheric sleep," in which one side of the brain remains active while the other rests.

"The existence of unihemispheric sleep is some of the best evidence that sleep is important," Cirelli argued.

Cirelli and Tononi also discounted reports that some animals don't seem to need recovery sleep, concluding, "Sleep is present and strictly regulated in all animal species that have been carefully studied so far." Meanwhile, studies have shown that rats and flies die when deprived of sleep. Other creatures — including people — experience brief episodes of microsleep during waking hours as the brain tries to re-regulate itself.


Michael Haederle lives in New Mexico. He has written for the Los Angeles Times, People Magazine, Tricycle: The Buddhist Review and many other publications.
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Sleep deprivation caused my seizure
Posted by: indradawn on Dec 9, 2008 2:21 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Recently, after crazy shiftwork, an injury, and a family crisis combined to deprive me of sleep for over 36 hours, I collapsed and had a full-blown tonic-clonic seizure. I bit my tongue through on both sides and aspirated on the blood, causing pneumonia that kept me hospitalized for nearly a week.

I had been dealing with insomnia from working graveyard and finding it difficult to get to sleep even though I was tired, and woke up frequently once I did. Sometimes after just a few hours of unrestful sleep I would just go ahead and get up. I can attest to the memory issues and lapses in verbal ability as a result. Establishing a solid routine (and for me, blackout curtains) truly worked wonders.

More importantly, I'm glad the article makes the point that our attitudes toward sleep must change. People seem to think going without sleep (ostensibly to work more or accomplish more tasks) is stoic, admirable. For the sake of our health, we must dispense with this attitude and make sleep a priority. It certainly is a priority for me these days.

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Blame Capitalism for Losing Sleep
Posted by: IndyDoug on Dec 9, 2008 2:45 AM   
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It's our capitalist system which forces people to work inhumane, unregular hours. It's the capitalist system which places stress on us through the boom and bust cycles of Wall Street and through worrying about job losses.

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The military uses sleep deprivation to brainwash recruits.
Posted by: phatkhat on Dec 9, 2008 4:23 AM   
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In basic training, at least when I went in the 70s, you were lucky if you got 5 hours in a night! I learned to fall asleep anywhere, and grab a few minutes where ever I could, even in the "cattle cars" used to transport us around the post.

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Natural Sleep Cycles?
Posted by: benzene on Dec 9, 2008 6:16 AM   
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What exactly does it mean to re-establish one's natural sleep cycle?

In this, I mean to ask: is a natural sleep cycle intrinsic to a human or an individual?

We as a society continue to live from 9a-5p as a remnant of agrarian society without efficient forms of artificial light. Agrarian societies must maximize daylight hours to be productive. However, we now have efficient natural lighting, so why do we continue to hew so closely to this old schedule? People often complain about being tired in the morning and not getting enough sleep. So why do we not start our days later to allow us to get enough sleep? It seems naturally intuitive.

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So now my family can get off my case
Posted by: solitarysherlockian on Dec 9, 2008 6:19 AM   
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Now that sleep and people who dare to SLEEP for more than four hours are no longer vilified-some of us can do what we've done for years. Get a full 8 hours plus of sleep with impunity!

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Rx for America-SLEEP MORE!
Posted by: drricklippin on Dec 9, 2008 7:52 AM   
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President Dwight Eisenhower's Doc-Paul Dudley White said over 50 yesars ago that if Americans walked more every day it would do more for their health than anything else?

While still relevant -My revision- If Americans slept an additional hour per night it would do more for American health than almost anything else?

Sweet Dreams :)

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southapton, Pa

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Ripoff
Posted by: astockton on Dec 9, 2008 8:03 AM   
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I was very unhappy with my sleep disorder clinic, which left me convinced that it existed only to sell CPAP machines. I cured my insomnia on my own by not drinking caffeine at night and if necessary, taking an OTC sleeping pill. It beats those masks that make me feel like Lady strapped into her muzzle, hoping that Tramp will find a way to get it off.

Maybe my experience wasn't typical, but if I were to undergo another sleep study, I'd want it done at a medical school teaching hospital, where (I hope) patients and not profits come first.

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charliej
Posted by: cejay42 on Dec 9, 2008 10:58 AM   
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I find most of these articles and the research done and publicized in the past suspect based on my own and my families experience.
I sleep an average of 5 hours or less per nite, and notice no adverse effects and am 69 yrs. old and a cancer survivor, my mother lived to 94, taking an aspirin a day and seldom slept more than 3-4 hours a nite in her life. My brother shows similiar experiences and is a very successful person in his field of endeavor. Much of the research I have read in the past has been promoted or paid for by sleep related businesses, i.e. drugs, mattress co's. etc. It would be interesting to see research that disagrees with these findings. I hold the belief that it is a very individual thing, my other brother sleeps consistantly 7 - 8 hours a nite and feels it when he doesn't. cj

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Personally, I think sleep is a highly personal thing.
Posted by: phatkhat on Dec 9, 2008 12:43 PM   
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I need about 6-7 hours, my husband needs at least 9. But I have been an owl since birth. My mom always said that I frustrated her no end - she was a lark - because I slept in the day, and was wakeful at night, and nothing she did could change me! LOL.

I am also more likely to sleep a bit more, and to arise later, in the winter. In the summer, I get up earlier and sleep less.

I am working from home, now, but when I had to keep regular hours, my favorite shift was 1pm - 9pm. I do NOT come to life before 10 or 11 in the morning, regardless of when I actually arise. And all the people harping (carping?) on the necessity of being an "early bird" has irritated me all my life.

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Insomniacs have all the luck!
Posted by: TheLimit on Dec 9, 2008 10:11 PM   
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Seriously. They know they aren't sleeping, which gives them a huge advantage.

Those who suffer from OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea) rarely understand they aren't sleeping; their problem is how *not* to sleep as often as not, and as a result, it is often *years* before they are correctly diagnosed.

Doctors are conditioned to regard sleep as a kind of cop out, for starters (as someone upthread pointed out re the culture at large), and complaining to a doctor about fatigue is much more likely to get you a deperession dx and a recommendation for a local gym than a trip to the sleep lab.

Untreated OSA eventually destroys your entire system, beginning with cardio vascular (HBP, heart failure, stroke), and working its way through acid reflux and it's various side effects, lack of libido, obesity, night sweats, frequent night bathroom trips, short term memory loss .. oh, and snoring. All OSA sufferers aren't snorers, and all snorers don't suffer OSA, but if your snoring is a family joke, get thee to a sleep lab and make sure your problem isn't. Make them rule it out if they want to tell you your problem is depression, and if you are putting on weight relentlessly and are so tired you can hardly put one foot in front of the other, DON'T let them treat you for menopause.

Seriously, if you can sleep anywhere at all, any time, and have even one of the symptoms on the list, you should have a sleep study.

And don't be intimidated by the prospect of sleeping with a cpap. If it takes a little while to adjust to that, just consider what a boon it is to actually SLEEP even part of the night.

And yes, you guessed it .. I'm a hosehead!

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From the point of view of illness caused insomnia:
Posted by: NYCartist on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM   
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I have severe CFS/ME (chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis as it's called in England),which causes insomnia. After a severe escalation of symptoms from the insomnia (a few weeks of one hour or so sleep per night), I asked to be taken to a hospital. It was not clear to me if I was awake or asleep and dreaming. So, the symptoms and the insomnia get into a cycle. In my case, the illness came before the insomnia.

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If this nation had better sleepers, we wouldn't be stuck with an idiotic electorate
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 10, 2008 12:56 PM   
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picking between D and R and Ralph Nader would not have been derailed in his attempts to repair this nation.

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Sleep for Sale
Posted by: siegfried on Dec 17, 2008 2:30 PM   
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Insomnia has become a multi billion business. Medical pharmaceutical interest groups scare you with 'links' between insomnia and the most dire of consequences. Their remedy? More medication and a trip to a sleep-clinic, a misleading term under the best of circumstances. Insomniacs will get no help other than tentative diagnoses of apnea.
We have turned millions of years of evolutionary rhythms upside down and are paying the price. Humans used to be physically active during the day and settle down at night. Tied in with the blue components of day time light are our internal clock's production of melatonin. (Beware of screens at night)Insomnia is a symptom alerting us that something is backwards. It is not a disease that needs eradicating but a messenger that needs heeding. Consider reading: I want to sleep - Unlearning Insomnia. We need to get back to where sleep waits - it will not come to you in your wired brain/world.

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Sleep deprivation caused my seizure
Posted by: indradawn on Dec 9, 2008 2:21 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Recently, after crazy shiftwork, an injury, and a family crisis combined to deprive me of sleep for over 36 hours, I collapsed and had a full-blown tonic-clonic seizure. I bit my tongue through on both sides and aspirated on the blood, causing pneumonia that kept me hospitalized for nearly a week.

I had been dealing with insomnia from working graveyard and finding it difficult to get to sleep even though I was tired, and woke up frequently once I did. Sometimes after just a few hours of unrestful sleep I would just go ahead and get up. I can attest to the memory issues and lapses in verbal ability as a result. Establishing a solid routine (and for me, blackout curtains) truly worked wonders.

More importantly, I'm glad the article makes the point that our attitudes toward sleep must change. People seem to think going without sleep (ostensibly to work more or accomplish more tasks) is stoic, admirable. For the sake of our health, we must dispense with this attitude and make sleep a priority. It certainly is a priority for me these days.

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Blame Capitalism for Losing Sleep
Posted by: IndyDoug on Dec 9, 2008 2:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's our capitalist system which forces people to work inhumane, unregular hours. It's the capitalist system which places stress on us through the boom and bust cycles of Wall Street and through worrying about job losses.

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The military uses sleep deprivation to brainwash recruits.
Posted by: phatkhat on Dec 9, 2008 4:23 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In basic training, at least when I went in the 70s, you were lucky if you got 5 hours in a night! I learned to fall asleep anywhere, and grab a few minutes where ever I could, even in the "cattle cars" used to transport us around the post.

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Natural Sleep Cycles?
Posted by: benzene on Dec 9, 2008 6:16 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What exactly does it mean to re-establish one's natural sleep cycle?

In this, I mean to ask: is a natural sleep cycle intrinsic to a human or an individual?

We as a society continue to live from 9a-5p as a remnant of agrarian society without efficient forms of artificial light. Agrarian societies must maximize daylight hours to be productive. However, we now have efficient natural lighting, so why do we continue to hew so closely to this old schedule? People often complain about being tired in the morning and not getting enough sleep. So why do we not start our days later to allow us to get enough sleep? It seems naturally intuitive.

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» RE: Natural Sleep Cycles? Posted by: Elendil
» RE: Natural Sleep Cycles? Posted by: pelican beak
» Egghead Scientists? Posted by: benzene
» RE: gghead Scientists? Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: gghead Scientists? Posted by: benzene
» RE: gghead Scientists? Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: ...name the Moon Posted by: Sushi
» RE: Natural Sleep Cycles? Posted by: TheLimit
» RE: Natural Sleep Cycles? Posted by: benzene
» RE: Natural Sleep Cycles? Posted by: TheLimit

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So now my family can get off my case
Posted by: solitarysherlockian on Dec 9, 2008 6:19 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now that sleep and people who dare to SLEEP for more than four hours are no longer vilified-some of us can do what we've done for years. Get a full 8 hours plus of sleep with impunity!

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Rx for America-SLEEP MORE!
Posted by: drricklippin on Dec 9, 2008 7:52 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
President Dwight Eisenhower's Doc-Paul Dudley White said over 50 yesars ago that if Americans walked more every day it would do more for their health than anything else?

While still relevant -My revision- If Americans slept an additional hour per night it would do more for American health than almost anything else?

Sweet Dreams :)

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southapton, Pa

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» RE: x for America-SLEEP MORE! Posted by: TheLimit

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Ripoff
Posted by: astockton on Dec 9, 2008 8:03 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I was very unhappy with my sleep disorder clinic, which left me convinced that it existed only to sell CPAP machines. I cured my insomnia on my own by not drinking caffeine at night and if necessary, taking an OTC sleeping pill. It beats those masks that make me feel like Lady strapped into her muzzle, hoping that Tramp will find a way to get it off.

Maybe my experience wasn't typical, but if I were to undergo another sleep study, I'd want it done at a medical school teaching hospital, where (I hope) patients and not profits come first.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: ipoff Posted by: TheLimit

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charliej
Posted by: cejay42 on Dec 9, 2008 10:58 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I find most of these articles and the research done and publicized in the past suspect based on my own and my families experience.
I sleep an average of 5 hours or less per nite, and notice no adverse effects and am 69 yrs. old and a cancer survivor, my mother lived to 94, taking an aspirin a day and seldom slept more than 3-4 hours a nite in her life. My brother shows similiar experiences and is a very successful person in his field of endeavor. Much of the research I have read in the past has been promoted or paid for by sleep related businesses, i.e. drugs, mattress co's. etc. It would be interesting to see research that disagrees with these findings. I hold the belief that it is a very individual thing, my other brother sleeps consistantly 7 - 8 hours a nite and feels it when he doesn't. cj

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Personally, I think sleep is a highly personal thing.
Posted by: phatkhat on Dec 9, 2008 12:43 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I need about 6-7 hours, my husband needs at least 9. But I have been an owl since birth. My mom always said that I frustrated her no end - she was a lark - because I slept in the day, and was wakeful at night, and nothing she did could change me! LOL.

I am also more likely to sleep a bit more, and to arise later, in the winter. In the summer, I get up earlier and sleep less.

I am working from home, now, but when I had to keep regular hours, my favorite shift was 1pm - 9pm. I do NOT come to life before 10 or 11 in the morning, regardless of when I actually arise. And all the people harping (carping?) on the necessity of being an "early bird" has irritated me all my life.

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Insomniacs have all the luck!
Posted by: TheLimit on Dec 9, 2008 10:11 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Seriously. They know they aren't sleeping, which gives them a huge advantage.

Those who suffer from OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea) rarely understand they aren't sleeping; their problem is how *not* to sleep as often as not, and as a result, it is often *years* before they are correctly diagnosed.

Doctors are conditioned to regard sleep as a kind of cop out, for starters (as someone upthread pointed out re the culture at large), and complaining to a doctor about fatigue is much more likely to get you a deperession dx and a recommendation for a local gym than a trip to the sleep lab.

Untreated OSA eventually destroys your entire system, beginning with cardio vascular (HBP, heart failure, stroke), and working its way through acid reflux and it's various side effects, lack of libido, obesity, night sweats, frequent night bathroom trips, short term memory loss .. oh, and snoring. All OSA sufferers aren't snorers, and all snorers don't suffer OSA, but if your snoring is a family joke, get thee to a sleep lab and make sure your problem isn't. Make them rule it out if they want to tell you your problem is depression, and if you are putting on weight relentlessly and are so tired you can hardly put one foot in front of the other, DON'T let them treat you for menopause.

Seriously, if you can sleep anywhere at all, any time, and have even one of the symptoms on the list, you should have a sleep study.

And don't be intimidated by the prospect of sleeping with a cpap. If it takes a little while to adjust to that, just consider what a boon it is to actually SLEEP even part of the night.

And yes, you guessed it .. I'm a hosehead!

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From the point of view of illness caused insomnia:
Posted by: NYCartist on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have severe CFS/ME (chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis as it's called in England),which causes insomnia. After a severe escalation of symptoms from the insomnia (a few weeks of one hour or so sleep per night), I asked to be taken to a hospital. It was not clear to me if I was awake or asleep and dreaming. So, the symptoms and the insomnia get into a cycle. In my case, the illness came before the insomnia.

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If this nation had better sleepers, we wouldn't be stuck with an idiotic electorate
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 10, 2008 12:56 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
picking between D and R and Ralph Nader would not have been derailed in his attempts to repair this nation.

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Sleep for Sale
Posted by: siegfried on Dec 17, 2008 2:30 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Insomnia has become a multi billion business. Medical pharmaceutical interest groups scare you with 'links' between insomnia and the most dire of consequences. Their remedy? More medication and a trip to a sleep-clinic, a misleading term under the best of circumstances. Insomniacs will get no help other than tentative diagnoses of apnea.
We have turned millions of years of evolutionary rhythms upside down and are paying the price. Humans used to be physically active during the day and settle down at night. Tied in with the blue components of day time light are our internal clock's production of melatonin. (Beware of screens at night)Insomnia is a symptom alerting us that something is backwards. It is not a disease that needs eradicating but a messenger that needs heeding. Consider reading: I want to sleep - Unlearning Insomnia. We need to get back to where sleep waits - it will not come to you in your wired brain/world.

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