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Obama's Health Care Reform Plan Is Based on the Clintons' Failed 1990s Model
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WASHINGTON -- Here is a number easily understood by even the math-phobic: Every 1 percent increase in the unemployment rate leads to another 1.1 million Americans becoming uninsured -- and causes still another million more children and adults to become eligible for state health insurance programs.
This means that over the past 10 months, as the hemorrhage of jobs began to push the national unemployment rate toward its October level of 6.5 percent, about 3 million Americans were thrown off the insurance rolls or had their incomes fall so much that they became eligible for Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program.
These estimates by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured do not bewilder as much as do the tallies associated with the various federal bailouts and guarantees of banks and other institutions at the core of the financial crisis. Those are in the hundreds of billions -- actually, we're into the trillions when you count up each form of taxpayer backing -- to shore up this or that part of the teetering financial system.
But before long, if unemployment climbs as predicted to 8 percent or 9 percent next year, the worsening economic crisis will deepen the health insurance crisis. And the combination of job losses and the loss of insurance that is inevitably connected to them is likely to be an awful lot like the crisis of the early 1990s -- the last time the political system tried to fix the confused, costly and crumbling health insurance system.
The recession of the early '90s led the Clinton administration to attempt universal health care. Though the Clinton plan is consistently derided as a failure, in truth, President-elect Barack Obama's campaign pledge to build a universal system based on the current, employer-based method of delivering insurance is in good measure modeled upon it. And that is the problem.
Look only to the Detroit automakers' current economic straits for the reasons why. The car companies' unionized workers still count on a model health insurance safety net -- but even this has been scaled back repeatedly in successive contracts. Last year, the United Auto Workers Union and the Big Three entered into a deal to create a separate trust fund to bear the cost of retiree health benefits. The fund is jointly financed by the union and the companies, and a substantial part of the money is coming from current workers' forgoing promised wage hikes.
Year after year, employers demand health benefit cuts in contract talks, or impose them unilaterally where there is no union. In a 2008 survey, the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 40 percent of firms that offer insurance said they are "somewhat likely" or "very likely" to increase the amount their workers contribute to insurance in the coming year, a cost shift that includes higher premiums and co-payments. Yet the average annual worker contribution toward premiums for a family policy already has more than doubled in the past nine years. During the same period, middle-class incomes have been largely stagnant.
With employers quickly shedding workers, is there any doubt that more health benefit cuts are coming for those lucky enough to keep their jobs? And when recovery comes, does anyone think American business is going to abandon its argument that health costs represent a competitive disadvantage in the global marketplace? They won't, because it's accurate. And that's largely because other countries have universal, taxpayer-funded health care systems.
These are the immutable truths of the health care conundrum. They haven't changed much in two decades. Costs are driven inexorably higher by continual advances in care as well as an aging population that needs more of it. Employers can't cope unless they scale back coverage, shift costs to workers or eliminate benefits altogether. States have become insurers of last resort -- but right now they face crippling budget shortfalls that threaten this safety net.
Using this compromised system as the basis for health insurance revision is folly -- more so now than it was in the Clinton era, when more employers still were covering their workers. Tightening regulation of the insurance industry and creating a new, government-based plan to make coverage available to those who cannot afford to buy it from private insurers -- the essence of Obama's campaign proposal -- would only add another layer of complexity and, eventually, cost. Only a single, government-financed system can eliminate the administrative waste, unfairness and economic burden of our current health insurance scheme. Timidity is no longer an option.
Marie Cocco's e-mail address is mariecocco(at)washpost.com.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 4, 2008 12:11 AM
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Cocco hits the nail on the head. This is a classic breakthrough column why we need single payer or Medicare for All.
Please E-Mail this column to all your friends ...
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Dec 4, 2008 5:18 AM
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"Costs are driven inexorably higher by continual advances in care as well as an aging population that needs more of it."
That's a part of it but by no means the whole story. Check out the profit models for insurance companies, drug companies and health care conglomerates. THAT is, in my study, the major reason costs continue to climb - like other corporations - to satisfy the insatiable demands of Wall Street.
Other than that I agree with everything else she writes. What continually amazes me is the selfishness AND stupidity, in equal parts, of the reactionaries in my town that still oppose this.
I always tell them: imagine how competitive GM could be if they didn't have to pay for the health care of their current employees and retirees. What I usually get back is: screw the auto workers - they've had it too good too long for what they do.
How to reason with such people is beyond me.
One more thing - the government being the only buyer and distributor of health care, could hold the prices down. And please don't give me the tired excuse that innovation would cease. I don't buy it - there is still a whole world to market health care innovation to and internal rewards for such discoveries would not cease.
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Posted by: PJAW on Dec 4, 2008 5:36 AM
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They were convinced that the insurance industry would be a trustworthy partner in reducing costs to a level that would allow all "working people" access to health care. They would do this by "partnering" with providers who demonstrated a willingness to accept a little less in exchange for lower administrative demands and an assured patient pool. In truth, it's nothing more than a gigantic, legalized kickback scheme, and the insurance industry is getting the kickbacks.
Once given greater control, insurance interests have methodically and rapaciusly plundered the system. Some were surprised by this, others still fail to understand it. It's quite simple. They were handed the tools (legal mechanisms) to commit extortion against providers and deceptive marketing to the public.
"Managed Care" gave them the power to select the best and most committed of providers (translation: those who would accept the most egregious kickback plan), and to institute review systems that would deny payment for anything deemed "not medically necessary" (because patients were going to doctors more than they needed to?). And of course it's not providers who make the ultimate decision of what is or is not necessary, it's bureaucrats in cubicles, who never actually see or treat "health care consumers". Upper level managers of "successful" insurance companies have been garnering annual incomes in the hundreds of millions.
Ahhh..., the good old days, when doctors drove Cadillacs and insurance men drove Plymouths.
But, enough of that, how do we fix it? Well, it's amazingly simple, and yes Medicare can be used as an administrative model. The way it needs to be done is to place control of the finances in government hands. (If that scares you, remind yourself of who controls the money now and how that's been working.) Insurance companies would be contracted to process claims and write checks, probably on a regional basis, as is done with Medicare. But they would not make clinical decisions and they would work for a set administrative percentage. "Managed Profits"
All procedures would be scheduled (specific fees for every procedure) and threshold limits would be established to red flag potential abuses. In other words, if a provider's compensation level exceeded a specific potential, it would automatically stimulate a review process. This would also be true for care recipients. Here's where the Medicare model needs revision, compensation levels are completely out of synch with real values and need to be completely rewritten.
Funding should be achieved through a national health care sales tax. Every purchase, with the exception of food (and maybe toilet paper) would be subject to this tax, which would generate the revenue to pay for it all. The taxes already imposed on such items as alcohol and tobacco would be diverted directly into the health care finance pool and they would, of course, be subject to a higher tax rate than say, blue jeans. Quite simply because the use of such commodities contribute a disproportionate amount to the overall need for health care, and not taxing them at a higer rate, in fact, subsidizes that use.
I know that those who make the most purchases will whine that they're paying a disproportionate amount, but those same purchases also contribute more to the overall "carbon footprint" of the whole population, which sickens the entire planet and they just need to get over themselves.
You got a problem wit dat?
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Posted by: drricklippin on Dec 4, 2008 9:31 AM
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If you listen to Tom Daschle vidio-clip on change.gov on health care you will hear emphasis on-
- COST CONTROL
- PREVENTION
I would add personally that both of these must be fairly, ethically, compassionatly and incrementally implemented. This is a sea change from what we now have.
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,PA
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 4, 2008 10:49 AM
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No thanks, but that shouldn't stop YOU from buying a piece of that rock. We need an opt-in, that gives people the choice to enter into government-provided health care financed through taxes, and also an opt-out option, where people who do not utilize gov't services are provided a tax credit/refund, perhaps like the EITC model.
Of course we should all kick in a some of our tax dollars on child healthcare and preventative care for the most vulnerable among us, who are unable to provide it themselves, and we should all pay to make sure emergency rooms stay open where we need them.
I'm satisfied with my current health care arrangement, but that certainly doesn't mean that this trial balloon of gov't-sponsored health care shouldn't be tried by those who have judged our gov't wise and responsive to the needs of the people--without jeopardizing the system that so many of us depend on.
Just paint me pro-choice when it comes to health decisions concerning my body!
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Posted by: CJC on Dec 4, 2008 11:14 AM
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Any kind of single-payer system should not interfere with anyone's choice of medical provider, hospital etc etc. It should also not prevent anyone from purchasing extra insurance, should they wish. But to be opposed to single-payer coverage is to suggest everyone else stay with our current system, which is the problem. Why should provision of health care be a for-profit business?
As for PJT who takes care of (him/her)self PJT should be doing that for personal benefit. But PJT could get struck by the proverbial bus or have some genetic profile that puts him/her at high risk for some expensive chronic disease, or could just have some version of bad luck and then wouldn't want someone else to take the position that "I shouldn't have to pay for that. I don't have that defect or I don't jog so my joints won't wear out or I don't have an aneurysm that could blow out, or I don't have a child who could get leukemia or I'm not 73 years old... or... or..." The point of insurance is that we pay in and hope not to need to depend on it for many years, but when time runs out or bad luck hits we will be able to get the care we need.
No blaming the victims. No one is indifferent to feeling sick.
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Posted by: Gregsdiary on Dec 4, 2008 1:57 PM
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How could any self-respecting pragmatist seriously believe otherwise?
"Timidity is no longer an option."
It comes down to being pragmatic when it counts.
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Posted by: CJC on Dec 4, 2008 4:44 PM
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Briefly - his hyper fit wife in her mid 40's had severe chest pain. Original diagnosis was not correct. Long-term consequences of that misstep not clear. Costs are referred to but not further discussed, but the implication is that no one's health insurance is adequate and comprehensive enough.
This is where I read the story.
http://www.truthout.org/120408HA
link to American Prospect
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=lessons_from_the_er
My conclusions - no one should be smug about their own health or their own health insurance.
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Will the Gov rat out Xerxes (Obama)?
Will the admin change mean this goes no deeper?
Will the diaper-changing media “be of no help”.
Will Obama say,”this is not the Gov I knew”?
Will Obama resume his press conferences soon? (hiding out due to this)
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LATEST HEADLINES DEC 9 AT 2PM:
‘The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering’…
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Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 4, 2008 12:11 AM
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Cocco hits the nail on the head. This is a classic breakthrough column why we need single payer or Medicare for All.
Please E-Mail this column to all your friends ...
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Dec 4, 2008 5:18 AM
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"Costs are driven inexorably higher by continual advances in care as well as an aging population that needs more of it."
That's a part of it but by no means the whole story. Check out the profit models for insurance companies, drug companies and health care conglomerates. THAT is, in my study, the major reason costs continue to climb - like other corporations - to satisfy the insatiable demands of Wall Street.
Other than that I agree with everything else she writes. What continually amazes me is the selfishness AND stupidity, in equal parts, of the reactionaries in my town that still oppose this.
I always tell them: imagine how competitive GM could be if they didn't have to pay for the health care of their current employees and retirees. What I usually get back is: screw the auto workers - they've had it too good too long for what they do.
How to reason with such people is beyond me.
One more thing - the government being the only buyer and distributor of health care, could hold the prices down. And please don't give me the tired excuse that innovation would cease. I don't buy it - there is still a whole world to market health care innovation to and internal rewards for such discoveries would not cease.
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» Lets say you have a gene that predisposes you to cancer ...
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» Right Wing "Blame the Victim" Argument.
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Posted by: PJAW on Dec 4, 2008 5:36 AM
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They were convinced that the insurance industry would be a trustworthy partner in reducing costs to a level that would allow all "working people" access to health care. They would do this by "partnering" with providers who demonstrated a willingness to accept a little less in exchange for lower administrative demands and an assured patient pool. In truth, it's nothing more than a gigantic, legalized kickback scheme, and the insurance industry is getting the kickbacks.
Once given greater control, insurance interests have methodically and rapaciusly plundered the system. Some were surprised by this, others still fail to understand it. It's quite simple. They were handed the tools (legal mechanisms) to commit extortion against providers and deceptive marketing to the public.
"Managed Care" gave them the power to select the best and most committed of providers (translation: those who would accept the most egregious kickback plan), and to institute review systems that would deny payment for anything deemed "not medically necessary" (because patients were going to doctors more than they needed to?). And of course it's not providers who make the ultimate decision of what is or is not necessary, it's bureaucrats in cubicles, who never actually see or treat "health care consumers". Upper level managers of "successful" insurance companies have been garnering annual incomes in the hundreds of millions.
Ahhh..., the good old days, when doctors drove Cadillacs and insurance men drove Plymouths.
But, enough of that, how do we fix it? Well, it's amazingly simple, and yes Medicare can be used as an administrative model. The way it needs to be done is to place control of the finances in government hands. (If that scares you, remind yourself of who controls the money now and how that's been working.) Insurance companies would be contracted to process claims and write checks, probably on a regional basis, as is done with Medicare. But they would not make clinical decisions and they would work for a set administrative percentage. "Managed Profits"
All procedures would be scheduled (specific fees for every procedure) and threshold limits would be established to red flag potential abuses. In other words, if a provider's compensation level exceeded a specific potential, it would automatically stimulate a review process. This would also be true for care recipients. Here's where the Medicare model needs revision, compensation levels are completely out of synch with real values and need to be completely rewritten.
Funding should be achieved through a national health care sales tax. Every purchase, with the exception of food (and maybe toilet paper) would be subject to this tax, which would generate the revenue to pay for it all. The taxes already imposed on such items as alcohol and tobacco would be diverted directly into the health care finance pool and they would, of course, be subject to a higher tax rate than say, blue jeans. Quite simply because the use of such commodities contribute a disproportionate amount to the overall need for health care, and not taxing them at a higer rate, in fact, subsidizes that use.
I know that those who make the most purchases will whine that they're paying a disproportionate amount, but those same purchases also contribute more to the overall "carbon footprint" of the whole population, which sickens the entire planet and they just need to get over themselves.
You got a problem wit dat?
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Posted by: drricklippin on Dec 4, 2008 9:31 AM
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If you listen to Tom Daschle vidio-clip on change.gov on health care you will hear emphasis on-
- COST CONTROL
- PREVENTION
I would add personally that both of these must be fairly, ethically, compassionatly and incrementally implemented. This is a sea change from what we now have.
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,PA
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 4, 2008 10:49 AM
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No thanks, but that shouldn't stop YOU from buying a piece of that rock. We need an opt-in, that gives people the choice to enter into government-provided health care financed through taxes, and also an opt-out option, where people who do not utilize gov't services are provided a tax credit/refund, perhaps like the EITC model.
Of course we should all kick in a some of our tax dollars on child healthcare and preventative care for the most vulnerable among us, who are unable to provide it themselves, and we should all pay to make sure emergency rooms stay open where we need them.
I'm satisfied with my current health care arrangement, but that certainly doesn't mean that this trial balloon of gov't-sponsored health care shouldn't be tried by those who have judged our gov't wise and responsive to the needs of the people--without jeopardizing the system that so many of us depend on.
Just paint me pro-choice when it comes to health decisions concerning my body!
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Posted by: CJC on Dec 4, 2008 11:14 AM
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Any kind of single-payer system should not interfere with anyone's choice of medical provider, hospital etc etc. It should also not prevent anyone from purchasing extra insurance, should they wish. But to be opposed to single-payer coverage is to suggest everyone else stay with our current system, which is the problem. Why should provision of health care be a for-profit business?
As for PJT who takes care of (him/her)self PJT should be doing that for personal benefit. But PJT could get struck by the proverbial bus or have some genetic profile that puts him/her at high risk for some expensive chronic disease, or could just have some version of bad luck and then wouldn't want someone else to take the position that "I shouldn't have to pay for that. I don't have that defect or I don't jog so my joints won't wear out or I don't have an aneurysm that could blow out, or I don't have a child who could get leukemia or I'm not 73 years old... or... or..." The point of insurance is that we pay in and hope not to need to depend on it for many years, but when time runs out or bad luck hits we will be able to get the care we need.
No blaming the victims. No one is indifferent to feeling sick.
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Posted by: Gregsdiary on Dec 4, 2008 1:57 PM
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How could any self-respecting pragmatist seriously believe otherwise?
"Timidity is no longer an option."
It comes down to being pragmatic when it counts.
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Posted by: CJC on Dec 4, 2008 4:44 PM
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Briefly - his hyper fit wife in her mid 40's had severe chest pain. Original diagnosis was not correct. Long-term consequences of that misstep not clear. Costs are referred to but not further discussed, but the implication is that no one's health insurance is adequate and comprehensive enough.
This is where I read the story.
http://www.truthout.org/120408HA
link to American Prospect
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=lessons_from_the_er
My conclusions - no one should be smug about their own health or their own health insurance.
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Will the Gov rat out Xerxes (Obama)?
Will the admin change mean this goes no deeper?
Will the diaper-changing media “be of no help”.
Will Obama say,”this is not the Gov I knew”?
Will Obama resume his press conferences soon? (hiding out due to this)
=====
LATEST HEADLINES DEC 9 AT 2PM:
‘The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering’…
GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS ISSUED ON REZKO/OBAMA LAND DEAL…
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