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We Can't Afford McCain and Palin's Anti-Science Beliefs

By John Tirman, AlterNet. Posted September 23, 2008.


Their combined anti-science positions may be devastating for the economy, the environment and our health.
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One of the peculiar oversights of the Sarah Palin media blitz is her strong anti-science views. In keeping with her Pentecostal faith and alignment with the far right of the Republican Party, Palin is opposed to stem cell research, declaims evolution, and believes global warming to be a hoax. Of her many controversial qualities, this anti-science ideology may be the most troubling -- in fact, devastating -- for the economy, ecology, and health.

If the McCain-Palin ticket is elected, we would have the prospect of an administration constantly at odds with scientific advance. As vice-president, Palin would not only be the proverbial "heartbeat away" from the presidency, but the leading contender for the top spot eight years hence.

McCain himself shows some worrisome tendencies as well, supporting the teaching of "intelligent design"-- the beard for anti-evolution propaganda -- in schools, for example. Overall, the prospect of 8-16 years of this kind of bias sends a chill through the science community, even after years of dealing with the Bush anti-science agenda.

The Union of Concerned Scientists, an independent watchdog group, has documented dozens of cases where the U.S. government has interfered with, undermined, or falsified science in public policy over the last seven years. It is a shocking record, revolving mainly around environmental issues but ranging from abstinence-only AIDS prevention (shown repeatedly to be ineffective) to phony information about breast cancer. Bush cut funding for the National Institutes of Health and the Center for Disease Control, among other science agencies, in his final budget. Overall, he has starved non-defense R&D at a time when China, the EU and other rivals are investing vigorously.

More of the same, and possibly worse, is likely to be in store if Republican rule continues. The right-wing hostility to science is a mystery. Some years back much skepticism about scientific progress came from the left, ire focused on the way science was used to further corporate priorities. But an attack on science per se is now the province of the right wing, partially based on religious dogma (itself reserved to a tiny minority of the fundamentalist churches) and partly another way to divide the political culture into an us (small-town just folks) versus them (pointy headed intellectuals). But whatever the reasons, this steady assault on science is alarming. Why?

Science and engineering remain America's most powerful assets in the world economy. As we have lost steel mills and other hard-hat industries, innovation has become the font of prosperity. Without a robust scientific community, hopes for creating the new technologies and processes that fuel sustainable economic activity will surely decline.

Equally important, science offers solutions to urgent problems. The climate change threat is most obvious in this regard. We need to do more than burn less fossil fuel; we need to find ways to increase efficiency and develop new kinds of fuels to reverse the trends of global warming. Yes, we can do a lot with stronger political will to put in place what we already know about energy efficiency in particular. But given the scale of what we face-including the immense problems stemming from rapidly growing India, China, and other developing countries-new technology has to be a big part of the solution. Science and engineering is what will take us there.

Or consider stem cell research. The potential for developing medicines and other therapies from this research is virtually unlimited. Diseases and disabilities like diabetes, arthritis, heart ailments and other maladies that affect tens of millions of Americans are likely to be cured or their severity greatly lessened as a result. Yet stem cell research is now blocked and would face the prospect of further interference from an anti-science government. The Republican Party platform passed this month states that "we call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes."

The best young researchers facing this harsh prospect would be better off going to Britain or Germany or Singapore or the many other places where their research can thrive, and where governments recognize its value. New talent in the form of graduate students from Europe and Asia particularly (and my campus is loaded with such young brainiacs) would likely choose other universities to earn their PhDs if their biological research would be constrained here.

In computing science, another field potentially buffeted by McCain/Palin's cluelessness, the "five-year stay rate for Chinese students with temporary visas who received [science and engineering] doctorates in 1998 was 90 percent. It was 86 percent among Indian students," says Computing Research News. Some of these numbers declined as a result of harsh homeland security barriers, sending a cascade of foreign students to non-U.S. grad schools. The increase in recent graduates seeking employment outside the U.S. jumped by 67 percent in 2004 from 1997 levels. With an anti-science government in Washington, the stay rates and new applications both will surely erode further.

This is not a flashy issue, needless to say, for the pyrotechnic campaign we're now witnessing. It is, however, the meat and potatoes of governing. There are certain things government can do to gainfully affect our lives, and promoting science, science education, research, and a spirit of discovery are high on that list. The McCain/Palin shakiness on science issues is not just another occasion for SNL skits or jokes about the U.S. being the laughing stick of the world. They're life-and-death issues for global health and ecology, as well as our own well being.

So we have both an economic liability and a moral deficit resulting from anti-science policies. The economic problem is that the U.S. will lose, possibly forever, its competitive edge in innovation. The moral setback is that we are unable, as a science community or as a nation, to help those most in need of these scientific advances. And of course the immense challenge of global warming-creating sustainable economic growth and equity-needs U.S. technological leadership.

Scientists, who are generally apolitical, are reluctant to call out the Republican establishment on its anti-science bias. But it is time for this to become a campaign issue, because the anti-science jeremiad could actually ruin the country that all the candidates profess to put first.




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John Tirman is a Principal Research Scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

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A McCain/Palin victory will debunk Darwin's theory of natural selection.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 23, 2008 12:56 AM   
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If those two idiots win in November, it will prove that modern man is no smarter than Neanderthals.

John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions

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laughing stick
Posted by: helenahanbasquet on Sep 23, 2008 2:57 AM   
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Spell-check is a wonderful thing, but won't find those annoying little typos that are actually words. Humans are better proofreaders than computers and I often wonder if any of these bloggers use one or even read through what they've written before it gets put online. Yeah, it's petty and I knew what was meant but I find it annoying anyway.

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» RE: laughing stick Posted by: terrymo
» RE: laughing stick Posted by: TheNamelessCity
» RE: laughing stick Posted by: bornxeyed
Science is progressive
Posted by: socialpsych on Sep 23, 2008 3:43 AM   
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Superstition and ignorance about how things work is decidedly regressive.

Consider the following hypothetical exchange:

Question: "Governor Palin, how are babies made?"

Gov. Palin: "Babies are gifts from God. The more babies, the more blessed we are."

Neither Obama nor Biden is a scientist, but we can be sure they will listen to scientific advisors and make scientifically informed decisions. Choose your poison.

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Get it right
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Sep 23, 2008 4:51 AM   
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I'm not so sure this article is reflecting their views correctly. Palin has said she is not against science in any way- nor have i ever heard McCain say he was against science . The guy is a fighter pilot - science is what he did! This assertion is a bit crazy for sure.

Also Palin doesn't think Global Warming is a hoax - if anyone knows the effects of it it is her! I've heard her say she doesn't think it's all man made.. I agree. While man is definitely destroying our earth, earth has a part in it. No one has ever been able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is entirely man made!

I disagree with Palin and most conservatives in the thought that we can keep taking from our earth and keep destroying it (clearing all forested lands, people living in giant cities) and not impact the earth somehow! Drilling may be a dot in the ANWR total area, we are leaving many dots.

we do not progress, we regress each year. More houses, more factories, more pollution, less trees.

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Thank you John Tirman
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 23, 2008 4:55 AM   
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War on Science causes Economic Meltdown

I saw Bill Clinton on Letterman on 22 September 2008. Bill
Clinton said there were fewer startup companies in the George W.
Bush administration, but the Fed had a low interest rate to keep
the economy going. Since there were few places to invest, the
banks invented sub-prime loans. Sub-prime loans caused the
economic meltdown.

It doesn't take much thinking to link fewer startup companies to
less research. Research creates new high tech startup companies
to invest in. Less research was George W. Bush's War on
Science policy. The Republican War on Science was driven by
George W. Bush's religion. Religion is the cause of the economic
meltdown and George W. Bush's call for a $700 Billion bailout for
his buddy bankers. Sarah Palin has the same anti-science type of
religion that George W. Bush has.
Obama would restore research funding. The conclusion is
obvious: Vote for Obama. Believe in science. The economy
needs more science.

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» RE: Thank you John Tirman Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: "Belief" in science Posted by: AsteroidMiner
» RE: "Belief" in science Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: "Belief" in science Posted by: greenknight
Was that "pentecostal" or "Holocostal"?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 23, 2008 5:11 AM   
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Reference: "The Republican War on Science" by Chris
Mooney, 2005, Basic Books. It has the following URLs:
http://www.waronscience.com/home.php
http://www.chriscmooney.com/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05268/576883.stm

See also:
"Undermining Science, suppression and distortion in the
Bush Administration" by Seth Shulman, 2006

"The Republican War on Science" by Chris Mooney says:

"Because Trofim Lysenko convinced Josef Stalin that
genetics is wrong, 12 million people died of starvation.
The coal companies convinced President George W. Bush
[and Senator Inohe] that global warming hasn't happened
and 12 hundred people died in hurricanes in 2005. For the
same reason, people died in the wildfires in Oklahoma."
12 hundred is less than 12 million, but GWB is still
comparable to Stalin. Both adopted anti-science policies
for ideological reasons and thereby murdered large numbers
of their own citizens.
George W. Bush favors a form of "democracy" called
Theocracy.
There is something that needs to be made explicit: Truth
is not determined by a vote of scientists. Scientists are not
authorities. Nature is the Only authority. There is only
one vote that counts, and Nature casts it. It isn't just "not
nice" to fool Mother Nature, it is impossible. Scientists
understand and believe this so innately that they never say
it, but other people may think that scientists wield power or
authority.
Reference: book: "Science and Immortality" by Charles B.
Paul 1980 University of California Press
The Eloges of the Paris Academy of Sciences (1699-1791)
page 99: "Science is not so much a natural as a moral
philosophy".
page 106: Nature isn't just the final authority, Nature is the
Only authority. When you try to disobey Nature [In
older language: "When you try to tell God how to run the
Universe".], the result is less subtle than a train wreck: The
rocket explodes on the launch pad. Oklahomans die in
wild fires when it should be winter. The Gulf coast suffers
the worst hurricane season ever. Tornado season extends
into January.
Book: "The Long Summer, How Climate Changed
Civilization" by Brian Fagan 2004 Basic Books
Summary: Small climate changes caused the fall of many
civilizations.

The Religious Right is also giving a war on Science, trying
to convince people that Evolution is wrong and trying to
prevent the teaching of Science in school. As we all know,
religion is caused by mental illness.

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As a Young Scientist
Posted by: benzene on Sep 23, 2008 5:17 AM   
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Working at a major public research university, I see daily what the Republicans and their twisted funding priorities hath wrought. Labs are losing funding and having to scale back their activities all over the place. It has become MUCH more difficult to get a grant in the first place because there is simply less money to go around for any research, and it is only those proposals that will have an immediate impact on clinical practice that get funded. More profound, groundbreaking research gets passed over because it won't turn dividends as quickly. In general, within an institution, labs can buffer themselves funding-wise for a couple of years at least. But over time it wears on. Labs are taking on fewer graduate students, post docs have become less mobile as prospects become a bit dimmer, new PIs are rarer. Simply put, if McCain wins, I may not have a choice but to move out of the country if I actually want to have a scientific career. And as a scientist, I am certainly not alone in that sentiment. Can the American economy really afford a brain drain of native talent?

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» RE: As a Young Scientist Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: As a Young Scientist Posted by: benzene
Sarah Palin's legacy: Collapse of Civilization
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 23, 2008 5:33 AM   
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Recall Al Gore's speech at the 2008 Democratic party convention, in which he
warned us that civilization will collapse soon if global warming continues.
Perhaps the drought in Atlanta, Georgia, California, Australia, Greece, Turkey, the
Sahel, China and other places should interest the Republicans? Changes in
soil moisture affect crop yields, and everybody knows this. Both Jared Diamond,
the author of "Collapse" and Brian Fagan, the author of "The Long Summer,"
blame minor climate changes for the collapse or as a factor in the collapse of many
civilizations. Jared Diamond points out that present time environmentally stressed
countries are the same countries that are suffering breakdowns of government,
genocide, terrorism, and so on, because the citizens of those countries are hungry
or starving. Food is the issue to communicate to the masses. If it doesn't rain in
Iowa, or if it rains too much in Iowa, what are Americans to eat?
Another thing you have going against you is religion. In "Collapse, How
Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed," Jared Diamond discusses how religion has
played a role in the collapse of some civilizations. Christianity contributed to the
collapse of the Greenland Viking civilization. Religionists will, of course, resist
any change in values regardless of the fact that a change in values is necessary for
survival. This is an issue of the preachers' income. In the end, the preachers may
be eaten, but it is too late by that time. Yes, "Collapse" has its gory points.

The fall of civilization may have the following "benefit": The burning of fossil
fuels will crash along with the crash of civilization and population. That would at
least postpone the even bigger disaster of human extinction. The bad news: YOU
should expect to be in the 99.99% that dies in a typical civilization crash.

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Sarah Palin and Extinction of Homo Sapiens
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 23, 2008 5:49 AM   
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Downloaded from:
http://www.marklynas.org/
2007/4/23/six-steps-to-hell-
summary-of-six-degrees-as-
published-in-the-guardian

'Six steps to hell' - summary of Six Degrees as published in the Guardian
23 April 07:

1ºC Nebraska ...shortened... These innocuous-looking hills were once desert, part
of an immense system of sand dunes that spread across the Great Plains from
Texas in the south to the Canadian prairies in the north. Six thousand years ago,
when temperatures were about 1C warmer than today in the US, these deserts may
have looked much as the Sahara does today. ....shortened... devastating
agriculture and driving out human inhabitants on a scale far larger than the 1930s
“Dustbowl” exodus.....shortened...

2ºC ....shortened...Two degrees is also enough to cause the eventual complete
melting of the Greenland ice sheet, which would raise global sea levels by seven
metres. ...shortened...

3ºC Scientists estimate that we have at best 10 years to bring down global carbon
emissions if we are to stabilise world temperatures within two degrees of their
present levels. ....shortened... 3C may be the “tipping point” where global
warming could run out of control, leaving us powerless to intervene as planetary
temperatures soar. The centre of this predicted disaster is the Amazon, where the
tropical rainforest, which today extends over millions of square kilometres, would
burn down in a firestorm of epic proportions. ...shortened... Once the trees have
gone, desert will appear and the carbon released by the forests’ burning will be
joined by still more from the world’s soils. This could boost global temperatures
by a further 1.5ºC – tippping us straight into the four-degree world.
....shortened...

4ºC At four degrees another tipping point is almost certain to be crossed; indeed,
it could happen much earlier. ....shortened... hundreds of billions of tonnes of
carbon locked up in Arctic permafrost – particularly in Siberia – enter the melt
zone, releasing globally warming methane and carbon dioxide in immense
quantities. ....shortened...

5ºC ....shortened... methane hydrates. This unlikely substance, a sort of ice-like
combination of methane and water that is only stable at low temperatures and high
pressure, may have burst into the atmosphere from the seabed in an immense
“ocean burp”, sparking a surge in global temperatures ....shortened... . Today vast
amounts of these same methane hydrates still sit on subsea continental shelves. As
the oceans warm, they could be released once more in a terrifying echo of that
methane belch of 55 million years ago. In the process, moreover, the seafloor
could slump as the gas is released, sparking massive tsunamis ....shortened...

6ºC ....shortened... end of the Permian period, 251 million years ago. By the end
of this calamity, up to 95% of species were extinct. The end-Permian wipeout is
the nearest this planet has ever come to becoming just another lifeless rock drifting
through space. ....shortened... most of the world’s plant cover was removed in a
catastrophic bout of soil erosion. Rocks also show a “fungal spike” as plants and
animals rotted in situ. Still more corpses were washed into the oceans, helping to
turn them stagnant and anoxic. ....shortened...
Whatever happened back then to wipe out 95% of life on Earth ....shortened... we
mess with the climatic thermostat of this planet at our extreme – and growing –
peril.

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God's Creations Using the 'Gift' of Higher intelligence
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 23, 2008 6:08 AM   
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It amazes me those so called 'Faithful' disregard the most valued Gift humanity was Given- Intellegence, Reason, foresight and Intuition- Our Brains !
Not only are they throwing this gift back in the face of the 'creator', they are neglecting their innate duties as stewards by doing so.
By God or Nature We are the Only Species on the Planet who can Manage it!
It was not the Biting of the Apple of knowledge which was the Mortal sin, it was the Weakness of being lured to something even when you have been told it is wrong.That Apple could also have represented Profits, Wars..It was not the representation it was the Succumbing to temptation for something to Eleivate your own status above anothers.
If their Logic Prevailed we would still be eating Raw meat
Funny how they love to quote 'Science' if it perpetuates their Doctrines ('Abortions kill more than Births'- Bullshit. Only through Medical breakthroughs has giving Birth been far less risky for Women and the Babies).
They ask their congregations to not Think, just Believe- sorry that is not how we were made nor is it condusive to our Ultimate responsilbities as Caretakers!
Honestly How the World came about is Irrelevant,BUT Knowing how it works to assure it's future IS our Utmost Duty!
Gotta Ask Which Entity would despise mankinds intellecual abilities more.. An 'Almighty' who granted this unique trait or One who is Jealous of this 'gift'?

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Religionists won't need science after Armageddon
Posted by: mgloraine on Sep 23, 2008 6:29 AM   
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The Palin-McCain crowd are not interested in science, because they are not planning a future. They stated quite openly that they believe the "end-times" will occur during their lifetimes, so they are plainly dedicated to bringing them about in any way possible. Palin has stated her enthusiasm for starting wars with Russia, accelerating global warming, and doing everything she can to end life on Earth (starting with wolves and polar bears) so that reality will match her favorite fairy tale: the Apocalypse. McCain is not a religionist, he is just angry about his mortality and short horizon, so he's just as willing as his half-wit sidekick to snuff out humanity as an ego-booster. A pair of sociopaths with different delusions, but collaborating to achieve their shared dream of human extinction.

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» Examples Posted by: Xynyx
Religion is Anti-Science
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 23, 2008 6:38 AM   
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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework in Probability
and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.". Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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You can tell a lot about a man by the cars(s) he drives.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 23, 2008 8:48 AM   
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Obama owns a new Ford Escape Hybrid.

McCain, who doesn't know how many vehicles he owns, has 13, including two foreign-made luxury cars.

And what would the bigots of America say about that -- Democrats, Republicans and independents?

"I told you he was uppity. Osama [intentional slip of the tongue] is driving one of those expensive gas/electric cars!"

John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions, OLD lobby connections

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If Science...
Posted by: Tyrus95 on Sep 23, 2008 10:43 AM   
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If Science could validate big oil interests, and not the dangers of Global Warming they would be the champions of Science.

Global Warming is an "inconvenient truth" that must be undermined at any cost. So why not introduce the phony debate between "Intelligent design" and evolution? Net result an all out attack on Science for the "Drill Baby Drill" Crowd.

Wake up America!

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» Yes it has. See http://www.ipcc.ch/ Posted by: AsteroidMiner
Armaggeddon.......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 23, 2008 11:27 AM   
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These people are so caught up in their "religious fervor" that they literally cannot use their brains. This "theocratic" dogma that they continue to pawn on their children and possibly ours is an anathma to people that learned and use critical thinking skills! Their belief is that the second coming will happen in their lifetimes is just appalling! That this will be a continuation of Bush policies is frightening!

Please keep these people out of the White House!

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» RE: Armaggeddon....... Posted by: VZEQICVA
the TRUTH about Palin
Posted by: independent99 on Sep 23, 2008 12:54 PM   
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Here lies the TRUTH about Sarah Palin: http://dailysource.org/palin

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McCain and Palin are Out house Rats.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 23, 2008 7:20 PM   
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The problem with out house rats is they go bugfuck nuts Holy laughathons now for God's sake - - -WHAT! . . . . W H A T ! ?

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Do you know why the Nazi's lost the war to begin with?
Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 23, 2008 7:37 PM   
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It is because a Religious Minority was put in charge of security when Himmler created the SS. All scientific gains were stopped because the SS couldn't understand what the Scientists were doing.

They became so paranoid about it that they were killing scientists for treason when an experiment didn't turn out as expected when no one had ever done that experiment before! This is what the combination of McCain and Palin will lead us to people! Think, if you can. Just think, do you want another and worse holocaust than the one generated in WWII?

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Nazis killed their Scientists??
Posted by: gellero1 on Sep 23, 2008 10:08 PM   
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Aside from Jewish scientists and doctors, what the hell are you talking about. ??

Can you name a scientist who was killed?? By the nation whose scientists brought us jet fighters and rockets??

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Religion is caused by mental illness
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 28, 2008 9:02 PM   
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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger. Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007

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Scientists remember Giordano Bruno
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 28, 2008 10:10 PM   
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Giordano Bruno was burned to death for thinking that there could
be life on other planets. Many Scientists pretend to be religious
because christians are very threatening and possibly violent. At
many colleges, a science professor can be fired for admitting
disbelief in religion.

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