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Apocalypse Later: Looking Back at 2008 from the Future

By John Feffer, Tomdispatch.com. Posted August 22, 2008.


A futurologist looks back at the public complacency of 2008 that led to disaster from the year 2016.
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Being a futurologist means never having to say you're sorry. Our predictions always come true eventually -- or, if they don't, well, how quickly people forget. Look at Newsweek's George Will. He predicted that the Berlin Wall would endure, and in an article published on the very day in 1989 that the Germans were tearing it down. That should have been enough to revoke his futurology license and demote him to sports writing. But no, almost three decades later he's still peering into his crystal ball.



Never apologize, never look back: that's our motto.



But this time -- think of it as the exception that proves the rule -- I really screwed up. We all did.



If you look back at the predictions we made in 2008 about the United States and the world, you'll see just how wrong we were. Today, in 2016, it's time for a mea culpa on behalf of the profession. Both camps, you see, were wrong. The Chicken Littles who predicted dramatic catastrophe were just as far from the mark as the Panglossian utopians who predicted dramatic change for the better.



Of course we have our excuses. Our minds were clouded by eight years of the Bush administration's foreign policy -- if you can even call it that -- which obscured our vision like a stinging sandstorm. In those days, it was natural to believe one of two things. Either the world was going to end with a bang (and soon), or a new administration would come into office in 2009, open up all Washington's doors and windows, and give the place a good airing out.



No one anticipated what would really happen over the two terms of the Obama administration, even though that's the job of us futurologists -- and I was one of the best paid in the profession.



Where did we go wrong? How could I have been so blind? That's what I'm going to try my best to explain.



Hope v. the Abyss




Maybe you don't even remember the summer of 2008 any more. The last period has not, politely put, been easy, so who can be blamed for a little memory loss? Aren't we all suffering from a bit of PTSD?



Let me take you back to that summer when the Panglossians were saying: Sniff the air, change is just around the corner -- and the Chicken Littles were replying: Sniff the air, you can smell the approaching flames.



Certainly, the pessimists had the weight of history on their side. The Bush administration, they were arguing, had so transformed the United States and the world that it simply wasn't possible to undo the damage. If not by water, they warned, then the fire next time would scorch the earth free of us. And that fire had the potential to come from almost any direction.



We had had only a narrow window of opportunity to deal with climate change, and the Bush team made sure to slam that window shut. We needed to go all out to find sustainable sources of energy, and instead the administration was all about oil. If the Middle East was not exactly the Garden of Eden when George W. came into office, the president had unfortunately taken his inspiration from the Book of Revelations, not the Book of Genesis. The result was: Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Israel-Palestine, and let's not forget Afghanistan.



And then there were those budget deficits. In 2000, the United States recorded the largest budget surplus in its history: $230 billion. In 2002, even before the invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration had already swung the country completely around and $159 billion into the red. By the summer of 2008, we were averting our eyes from the ugly truth that the year would end with the largest budget deficit in U.S. history: $425 billion. Some things are too big to fail, we are told. But what happens when the biggest of them all goes down in flames? No one could save the Zeppelin industry when, in 1937, the Hindenburg crashed and burned.



What could the Panglossian optimists offer in response? There was talk of hope. There was talk of change. A new administration would bring the United States back into the family of nations. The cowboys would go back to their ranch. The adults would be back in charge. There would be pseudo-Manhattan Projects and Marshall Plans and New Deals. It would be morning again in America, but this time we would be waking up to the voice of reason in the White House, not the voice of the Gipper.



And the optimists won. Against the odds, just like a Frank Capra movie, hope grabbed the White House in November 2008. Sure, there were some folks who were aghast at the election results. But the rest of us -- including me since, hey, even futurologists have feelings -- were euphoric.



At the height of all this euphoria, that's when I published my first foolish prediction of the future.



Not Exactly Kool-Aid




It's hard now to believe our collective giddiness back at the end of 2008. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the optimists had spiked our water supply with Ecstasy. The new crowd that came to Washington -- okay, it was actually mostly the old crowd from the Clinton years -- seemed to possess unlimited energy and good feeling. And it was as if we futurologists could see for miles and miles and miles into a sunlit future.



Some of you who are old enough or have prodigious powers of recall might remember back to 1992 when the Democrats ended 12 years of Republican rule. That moment, too, generated its share of vaulted expectations. I was a mere novice futurologist at a small Midwestern paper at that time, just learning the ropes. But who knows: if I'd only learned from my mistakes then, maybe I wouldn't have flubbed it so bad in 2008.



In any case, right after the 2008 elections, I sat down and wrote my first report on the new world to come. And you can tell, in retrospect -- more than a few bloggers said so at the time, but who was paying attention? -- that I'd drunk deep from those drug-laced waters.



The new team in Washington, I wrote, would move quickly to clean up the worst messes created by the Bush administration. They would close down Guantanamo and reverse the U.S. position on torture. They would begin the long process of withdrawing troops from Iraq. They would initiate dialogue with Iran and continue engagement with North Korea. They would sit down with Chavez and Castro and even Hamas and Hezbollah. They would sign Kyoto. They would defeat the Taliban and finally capture bin Laden. They would repeal the tax cuts for the wealthy and renegotiate the free trade agreements, and launch an Apollo-style program to develop alternative energies.



Disputatious bloggers aside, the article was well-received. I read positive assessments from inside and outside the Beltway, from both sides of the aisle. Of course, my pessimistic brethren in the profession countered with their own "end is nigh" predictions. The new team wouldn't be able to fulfill any of their promises. It was too late. We stood one minute before midnight on the Doomsday clock, and when that moment passed we wouldn't be at noon, and there would be no Hollywood endings.



As it turned out, we were all wrong.




The Goldilocks Apocalypse




My predictions of what the new team would do in their first 100 days was pretty much spot on. They didn't end up talking with everybody or withdrawing troops quite so rapidly or renegotiating all the free trade agreements, and the energy program was more fireworks than heading for the moon. But they came close enough.



So, if my predictions were reasonably accurate, why am I beating myself over the head eight years later? Because I let personal euphoria turn me into a professional optimist. Somehow I really did convince myself that the new team could turn back the hands on that Doomsday clock. In fact, I thought they could recalibrate calendars as well, and bring us back if not to September 10, 2001, then at least to September 12th -- and that the world would give us another chance to respond, this time with grace under pressure.



But that should be the first, and most obvious, rule of futurology. You can't change the past. The Greeks were right: we walk into the future backwards, our eyes fixed on an unchanging past. When we futurologists turn our heads, Linda Blair-style, to make our predictions, we sin against nature. And sometimes we forget that what lies behind us is indeed immutable.



The new administration did make a lot of changes in its first 100 days. The sheer number and the sheer pace fooled everyone into thinking that change had indeed come to Washington. I thought that the country's trajectory had actually been altered, that a new direction had been set in U.S. policy.



It turns out, though, that apocalypse comes in many different forms. There are the dramatic effects of sword and fire and famine. And then there's the apocalypse of muddling through. That's what happens when you just carry on with the same old, same old and before you know it, poof, end of the world. It's an apocalypse that's neither too cold nor too hot, neither too hard nor too soft. It's the apocalypse of the middle, the Goldilocks apocalypse.



The Politics of Muddling Through




You remember when we finally signed the Kyoto agreement. The new administration made a big deal about it. The president gave the pen to Al Gore, who said that it meant more to him than the Nobel Prize and the Oscar combined.



But the time was already long gone when abiding by Kyoto limits would have been sufficient. Cutting carbon emissions by about 5% of 1990 levels by 2012 -- well, that wasn't a bad target when Kyoto was first negotiated, but that was the 1990s. As we all know today, it turned out not to be nearly good enough in 2009. The new administration should have twisted every arm it could to get a new international consensus on reducing carbon emissions 30% by 2020. It didn't. We celebrated Kyoto, as we celebrated so much else, and then, of course, the waters began to rise appreciably, as did temperatures, as did food and energy prices. And yet it was all reasonably gradual and so everybody just complained. If the numbers had shot up dramatically, all together, all at once, well, perhaps we might have reacted dramatically. Instead, we put off the painful adjustments. We attempted to muddle through.



There was similar rejoicing around the first troop units withdrawn from Iraq. After some local tickertape parades and a couple months of R and R, of course, the soldiers were back in action -- in Afghanistan. We didn't officially invade any other countries. We didn't start any new wars. We simply increased our "commitments" in "existing theaters of operation." We didn't notice that our permanent war economy was humming along at the same rate regardless of troop levels in Iraq.



After all, even though the president made a big deal about canceling a few Cold War weapons systems, he never touched the trillion dollar military budget. Whatever was cut from fighting the Iraq War and eliminating the expensive and unsafe V-22 Osprey helicopter was simply pasted into another part of that budget. The Army was increased by 65,000 soldiers and the Marines by 27,000. Our 800-plus military bases received an expensive make-over, our Special Forces received lots of new high-tech goodies, and we bulked up NATO. And because the president discovered that he couldn't touch the military budget, he was never able to find the funds for the domestic programs that had created so much hope in the electorate: no universal health care, no transformation of the educational system, no boost for working people. Of course, the euro overtaking the dollar as the world currency certainly didn't help matters for the United States.



The resumption of arms control negotiations with the Russians was admittedly a positive sign, but we were really beyond a moment where "signs" were enough. We did eventually retire a few more nukes from our respective arsenals, but the president never took advantage of the new political opening to negotiate significant nuclear reductions. As a result, the countries that had recently acquired nuclear weapons, including North Korea, but going back to India, Pakistan, and Israel, refused to give up their programs. And countries on the threshold of the nuclear club quietly but resolutely continued to develop their capacities. As you know, no one dropped any nukes, nor, despite the dire predictions of the Panglossians, did terrorists use any dirty bombs. But with the death of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it can happen at any point.



We all thought that closing Guantanamo, ending renditions, and renouncing torture would be enough to salvage America's reputation in the world. And, for a brief time, the polls showed an uptick in global feelings toward the United States. But the president never challenged the deeper framework of the Global War on Terror. He simply promised to prosecute it more effectively. Fearful of being labeled weak on terrorism -- much as he was worried about a similar label applied to his military policy -- the president continued to emphasize military means. As a result, "collateral damage" continued in U.S. attacks in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and elsewhere. These civilian casualties -- as well as the assassination rather than apprehension of suspected terrorists -- caused America's reputation to decline once again. More importantly, we continued to create two terrorists for every one that we took out in a war without end. We continued to sow our own fields with dragon's teeth.



And while we were still trying to find Osama bin Laden, who has proven as long-lived as he is elusive, we ignored other mounting threats that were not in the official military Red Alert zone. The worst-case scenarios never developed. We thought we'd averted apocalypse. Instead, by tinkering on the edges while basically maintaining the status quo, a different kind of apocalypse, the slow-motion kind, is now upon us.



The Future of Futurology




Here's the latest joke making the rounds on Futurology listservs: Hint for the young -- there's no future in futurology. That's us, always with the gallows humor.



Seriously, though, I haven't forecast the future in two, maybe three years. I was so wrong in 2008 that now I just can't muster the energy. My colleagues are still grinding out predictions. The Chicken Littles are having a field day, of course. The fact that the sky hasn't yet fallen isn't cramping their style. After all, when it comes to the sky, it's always just a matter of time.



I still don't buy the argument of the Chicken Littles, by the way. I was wrong that the administration would change history in 2008, but they are still wrong that the end will come with a bang, not a whimper. In the long run, as the economists say, we're all dead anyway.



We Panglossians have, of course, experienced a natural thinning of the ranks. With the blackouts and the queues at the gas stations, it's hard to be an optimist these days. It's difficult to keep a smile on your face when yet another country conducts a nuclear test and yet another island disappears underneath the rising waves.



As you all know, we're in the middle of another election season now. So there is more talk of hope and change. I've read some of the Panglossian predictions. It's just more of the same - fiddling around at the margins while the world burns. I've tried to warn them. But who listens to me anymore?



My friends sometimes ask what would I have done differently if I could do it all again. That's the biggest if of all. The conditional that never arrives.



Still, here goes: In 2008, I should have dispensed with the optimism, stopped playing the inside-the-Beltway pundit game of influence, and talked straight. I should have written that, unless the new administration fundamentally changed U.S policy -- reducing the nuclear arsenals, cutting the military budget, launching a full-speed effort to halve carbon emissions, abandoning the nonsensical "war on terror" -- we would run the risk of Goldilocks.



I should have said: we seek out the comfortable middle at our own peril. Not too hot and not too cold, not too hard and not too soft, it's a strategy guaranteed to lull anyone into a dangerous complacency. After all, once you've made your bed, however comfortable it may be, you have to lie in it. And it's then, after a few brief moments of self-satisfied sleep, that you're bound to hear the scratching at the door.



The bears are home. And they're hungry.

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John Feffer is co-director of Foreign Policy In Focus. His past essays, including for Tomdispatch.com, can be read at his website.

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Beyond 2016
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 22, 2008 2:02 AM   
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Being 73, my bed is already made in regards to 2016. It's what happens much later that worries me, when my 14-year-old grandson is my age.

The way things are going, he won't have a bed to sleep in.

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» RE: Beyond 2016 Posted by: Iconoclast421
?????
Posted by: peakoiler on Aug 22, 2008 2:45 AM   
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why did I bother to wade thru that 4 pgs of drivel?

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» RE: ????? Posted by: nopuppy
» RE: ????? Posted by: Joffan
There's a good book that should be required reading
Posted by: Rolomax on Aug 22, 2008 2:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There's a good book that should be required reading for all ages, and, it's only 180 pages.

It's called, 'The Space Merchants' (1953). Get it and read it.

Forewarned is forearmed, and I'm seeing too many news articles today that remind me of that book.

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Now
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Aug 22, 2008 3:05 AM   
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Nobody knows what the future will bring so it is just best to live for today.....and enjoy the hell out of it!

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» RE: Now Posted by: zoz
» RE: Now Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
A Futureologist?
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 22, 2008 4:35 AM   
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Wow, where does one get a degree in "futurology"?

RD
Ultimate Anonymity

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» RE: A Futureologist? Posted by: Illiteratilumen
Iraq
Posted by: Dboy on Aug 22, 2008 4:42 AM   
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Obama's first 100 days in office (let's not consider the other sad option), will not involve pulling out of Iraq. There's really not a damn thing Obama can do about Iraq. No pullout. Can't happen, won't happen. They had to attack Iraq when they did because there was mounting pressure to either PROVE hussein had WMD, or leave Iraq alone, stop bombing them, and allow them to trade again. IF that had happened Iraq would have agreed to oil contracts with Russia and maybe China, and would definitely have excluded the US. That could not be allowed to happen, so there had to be an invasion and occupation. And NOTHING has changed now. IF the US leaves NOW, the same result would occur. Therefore there will be no exit from Iraq. In addition, Iraq is right in the middle of where the US wants to be right now, which is why all the bases are going up there. The last of this planet's oil is located in the region surrounding Iraq. "Let's play nice" is just not enough of a reason to leave. Also note that the US does not want to get in a war DIRECTLY with Russia..only proxy wars are allowed. IF Russia managed to get exclusive oil rights (in any of the usual countries over there), then any wars to steal the oil back would have to be proxy wars, and that just wouldn't work in Iraq because there's no proxy. It would mean direct conflict. And direct conflict likely would mean a nuclear exchange.

dboy

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» I heart paragraphs Posted by: JoAnne
» RE: I heart paragraphs Posted by: charlieparisek
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» RE: Iraq Posted by: hms2004
» RE: Iraq Posted by: Dboy
» Pharmaceuticals Posted by: LeaderofMen
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» RE: Pharmaceuticals Posted by: BLAN
» RE: Iraq Posted by: bigbad
Excuse me, but I'm gonna be cynical---
Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 22, 2008 6:17 AM   
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about these "doom is just around the corner" scenarios.

In many ways, articles and predictions like these are the Left's equivalent to right-wing Christian end-times philosophy.

I remember back in high school in the early 70's reading a tome by Barry Commoner called "Eco-Catastrophe" which confidently predicted widespread famine and the collapse of human civilization "no later then 1978".

Have you noticed how all these things are always placed 5-8 years in the future? That makes it close enough to seem a threat but yet gives a comfortable margin if it doesn't come to pass.

Yes we are facing problems, but no worse then any we have faced in the past--especially with the increased knowledge and technology we have at our disposal to solve them. We need to work to find solutions and make a better life for everyone. Alternet does a disservice to its credibility by publishing these Apocolyptic articles better suited to a disaster movie script.

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» of course, by 1978 we had disco Posted by: zooeyhall
If you keep complaining and sit like an ASS, of course you'll lose.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 22, 2008 7:03 AM   
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Now shut up and work on fixing the problem or finding better workarounds for a change. I fucking swear. This article sounds as if James FUCKING Dobson wrote it !

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Fromk There, To Here?
Posted by: Abe on Aug 22, 2008 7:11 AM   
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From There, To Here?

I hope the American people
Are so proud of what we've done
To take that Communist country
And, help make it, number one.

And, think of all those Indians
Who have jobs with decent pay
I guess that is the upside
To all those jobs we give away.

We have paid for those palaces
With gold fixtures in their bath
Sure, those Saudis really love us
As long, as we stay on this path.

We have all the technology
To get us off those fossil fuels
But, some people just don't get it
Or are afraid, to break old rules.

The Japanese learned our ways
Build cars better than we can
After, we rebuilt old enemies
With that infamous, Marshall Plan.

We have left our borders open
To our neighbor to the south
So they could work for nothing
To put, the food in our mouth.

Most don't pay any taxes
But get, most our benefits
Sometimes, "illegal alien"
Is almost, as good as it gets!

Our Pres gazed into his eyes
And looked into his soul
But, not deep enough, I guess
To see that Russian's goal.

We invaded a sovereign nation
And now, we say, that isn't right!
When, they went into Georgia
I guess, we finally saw the light.

We try to play the good guy
Show the rest, the "righteous" way
We put bad people into power
In other countries, then we pay.

Our Country, the best in the World
Leaves homeless people in the street
Lets people die cause they can't pay
That, health (?) system, we can't beat.

We have children killing children
In, an education system, broken
With far too many classrooms
With our English, barely spoken.

There's the so-called "war on drugs"
That only, seems to know, the jailing
And puts our border guards in prison
With, our so-called "justice", failing.

We have agencies, the FDA
Is one, that comes to mind
Like so very many others
That are, deaf, dumb, and blind.

We have allowed human torture
"The end, justifies the means!"
Let our Government spy on us
Our Constitution, that, demeans.

It seems the almighty dollar
With motto, "In God We Trust"
Is not so mighty, anymore
And may, make us, go bust.

We have all those politicians
Who serve for their personal gain
Some cheat, and lie, and steal
Yet, we vote them in again.

It seems we will never learn
That the People must, control
If our Nation has hope to survive
That must be, the American goal!

In our very, brief history
We have accomplished much
A lot of good, for all peoples
But, seems we've lost that touch.

We are in a downward spiral
And nobody, seems to care
Someday we all will wonder
How, we got here from there?

Del "Abe" Jones
08.19.2008

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» RE: Fromk There, To Here? Posted by: Andy Ferguson
» RE: Wonderful! Posted by: Duncable
Bush's behavior
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 22, 2008 7:15 AM   
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is a threat to peace NOW, TODAY! The disaster that threatens us is a man who is so determined to vindicate his Presidency he will do anything, even provoke a conflict with Russia and World War Three, imagining it to be Biblical Armageddon. Yet, impeachment was taken "off the table" by a Democrat!
So who is kidding who? The whole political process is a suicidal charade!

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» RE: Bush's behavior Posted by: bettyn
» RE: Bush's behavior Posted by: Dboy
A mystical prediction
Posted by: solrev on Aug 22, 2008 7:16 AM   
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Who is going to win in 2008? What are the choices? On one side we have the save a baby kill a Muslim crowd, on the other side we have the left wing nut commie crowd, and controlling both sides are the dialing for dollar dudes. Damn God, how did we get in this mess? “and the Holy Spirit entered into their hearts that they would turn their land over to the Beast”. Don’t you think it is time for the Holy Spirit to go back to work dispensing some revelations to we the people? I seen an ad on TV about the one, it even had Charlton Heston playing Moses. That black kid may not be The One but he may well be one of two. He obviously has some roots you can see it in his face and hear it in his name, and he does remind me of the old ones. I will put my money on him. It is probably a good thing that he does not know that which he is about to do. Look for the first shocker on Saturday night live. One has to climb the mountain before one can see the valley, so just relax and watch it happen. Apocalypse later or Apocalypse now, it does not matter it is all a deception a smoke screen. Most feel we are on the wrong path so it is time for a minor course adjustment. For those who will see 2016 you are going to be amazed at what a minor course correction can bring about. Time is on our side, yes it is.

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» RE: A mystical prediction Posted by: jnick
» Misplaced Meds Posted by: oldwoman
30 and 100 years out
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Aug 22, 2008 7:15 AM   
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Environmental policy = energy policy
Energy policy = environmental policy
because Global Warming
can lead to Hydrogen Sulfide gas coming out of the oceans.

Hydrogen Sulfide gas will Kill all people. Homo Sap will go
EXTINCT unless drastic action is taken.

October 2006 Scientific American

"EARTH SCIENCE
Impact from the Deep
Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not
asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions.
Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?
By Peter D. Ward
downloaded from:
http://www.sciam.com/
article.cfm?articleID=
00037A5D-A938-150E-
A93883414B7F0000&
sc=I100322
....................Most of the article omitted......................
But with atmospheric carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm
and expected to accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900
ppm by the end of the next century, and conditions that bring
about the beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That is
something our society should never find out."

Press Release
Pennsylvania State University
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, Nov. 3, 2003
downloaded from:
http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/prPennStateKump.htm
"In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and
the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper
levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide
catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and
animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would
kill most terrestrial life."

www.astrobio.net is a NASA web zine. See:

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=672

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=1535

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/article2509.html

http://astrobio.net/news/
modules.php?op=modload
&name=News&file=article
&sid=2429&mode=thread
&order=0&thold=0

These articles agree with the first 2. They all say 6 degrees C or
1000 parts per million CO2 is the extinction point.

The global warming is already 1.3 degree Farenheit. 11 degrees
Farenheit is about 6 degrees Celsius. The book "Six Degrees" by
Mark Lynas agrees. If the global warming is 6 degrees
centigrade, we humans go extinct. See:
http://www.marklynas.org/
2007/4/23/six-steps-to-hell-
summary-of-six-degrees-as-
published-in-the-guardian

"Under a Green Sky" by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007.
Paleontologist discusses mass extinctions of the past and the one
we are doing to ourselves.

ALL COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS MUST BE
CONVERTED TO NUCLEAR IMMEDIATELY TO AVOID
THE EXTINCTION OF US HUMANS. 32 countries have
nuclear power plants. Only 9 have the bomb. The top 3
producers of CO2 all have nuclear power plants, coal fired power
plants and nuclear bombs. They are the USA, China and India.
Reducing CO2 production by 90% by 2050 requires drastic action
in the USA, China and India. King Coal has to be demoted to a
commoner. Coal must be left in the earth. If you own any coal
stock, NOW is the time to dump it, regardless of loss, because it
will soon be worthless.
I have no financial connection to the nuclear power industry.

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» RE: 30 and 100 years out Posted by: zenfindel
30 years out
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Aug 22, 2008 7:34 AM   
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See the book: "The Long Summer" by Brian Fagan. Something
like 2 dozen civilizations have already disappeared because of
climate changes smaller than the one we have already caused.
Starvation was the cause of death.

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100 years out
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Aug 22, 2008 7:50 AM   
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Downloaded from:
http://www.marklynas.org/
2007/4/23/six-steps-to-hell-
summary-of-six-degrees-as-
published-in-the-guardian

'Six steps to hell' - summary of Six Degrees as published in the Guardian
23 April 07:

1ºC Nebraska ...shortened... These innocuous-looking hills were once desert, part
of an immense system of sand dunes that spread across the Great Plains from
Texas in the south to the Canadian prairies in the north. Six thousand years ago,
when temperatures were about 1C warmer than today in the US, these deserts may
have looked much as the Sahara does today. ....shortened... devastating
agriculture and driving out human inhabitants on a scale far larger than the 1930s
“Dustbowl” exodus.....shortened...

2ºC ....shortened...Two degrees is also enough to cause the eventual complete
melting of the Greenland ice sheet, which would raise global sea levels by seven
metres. ...shortened...

3ºC Scientists estimate that we have at best 10 years to bring down global carbon
emissions if we are to stabilise world temperatures within two degrees of their
present levels. ....shortened... 3C may be the “tipping point” where global
warming could run out of control, leaving us powerless to intervene as planetary
temperatures soar. The centre of this predicted disaster is the Amazon, where the
tropical rainforest, which today extends over millions of square kilometres, would
burn down in a firestorm of epic proportions. ...shortened... Once the trees have
gone, desert will appear and the carbon released by the forests’ burning will be
joined by still more from the world’s soils. This could boost global temperatures
by a further 1.5ºC – tippping us straight into the four-degree world.
....shortened...

4ºC At four degrees another tipping point is almost certain to be crossed; indeed,
it could happen much earlier. ....shortened... hundreds of billions of tonnes of
carbon locked up in Arctic permafrost – particularly in Siberia – enter the melt
zone, releasing globally warming methane and carbon dioxide in immense
quantities. ....shortened...

5ºC ....shortened... methane hydrates. This unlikely substance, a sort of ice-like
combination of methane and water that is only stable at low temperatures and high
pressure, may have burst into the atmosphere from the seabed in an immense
“ocean burp”, sparking a surge in global temperatures ....shortened... . Today vast
amounts of these same methane hydrates still sit on subsea continental shelves. As
the oceans warm, they could be released once more in a terrifying echo of that
methane belch of 55 million years ago. In the process, moreover, the seafloor
could slump as the gas is released, sparking massive tsunamis ....shortened...

6ºC ....shortened... end of the Permian period, 251 million years ago. By the end
of this calamity, up to 95% of species were extinct. The end-Permian wipeout is
the nearest this planet has ever come to becoming just another lifeless rock drifting
through space. ....shortened... most of the world’s plant cover was removed in a
catastrophic bout of soil erosion. Rocks also show a “fungal spike” as plants and
animals rotted in situ. Still more corpses were washed into the oceans, helping to
turn them stagnant and anoxic. ....shortened...
Whatever happened back then to wipe out 95% of life on Earth ....shortened... we
mess with the climatic thermostat of this planet at our extreme – and growing –
peril.

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» So What's New? Posted by: edgar1
» The UK Guardian??? Posted by: gellero1
Words to the Wise
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 22, 2008 7:58 AM   
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With the exception of my friend HughScott, it seems this article met with a lot of resistance and denial by the other posters. Unfortunate, to say the least. The "head in the sand" mentality goes both ways, not just for neocon republicans but for anyone who doesn't want to look at the truth of the situation the US has placed itself in.

Obama is not going to make miracles; in fact,he's not going to change much of anything. He will not be a king, therefore, will not have the authority to undo most of what Bush has already done. Any changes to US policy will have to come from long, hard years of work, and so many things could happen during that time which could undo anything accomplished up to that point. That reality must be faced. It is not a matter of "futurology" (and to respond to the reader in the above posting, futurology is not real, sweetie, the author made it up and used it as a literary tool), it is a matter of being aware of how things work. Laws were passed and legal precedents were set during the Bush years that will take time and effort to change. In other words, we will not live happily ever after if Obama is elected.

To change things will take a big commitment from all Americans. They have to let go of the status quo, stop feeling so damned entitled to everything they want, and face the fact that resources, money and energy are not infinite. Above all else, the belief in inherent American superiority over all the rest of the world simply must cease.

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» RE: Words to the Wise Posted by: Mimi
» RE: Words to the Wise Posted by: beautifulady2003
» There is still a CHOICE Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: There is still a CHOICE Posted by: beautifulady2003
There may not be a 'look back' point....
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 22, 2008 8:07 AM   
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Steadily and oh so slowly the costs for the 'price of progress' is showing up. Now at such a fast rate we may not have enough people left in eight years to have a 'look back'.

We put so many chemicals into the ground,the water,and the air that all their diseases like autism,fibromyalgia,lupus and all the other pollution borne developmental diseases will kill most of us off.

I moved to the country to get what i though was cleaner air. To some extent that became true,we have the niagra escarpment to break the wind and redirect the smog but....we live in the second worst polluted county,next to Milwaukee county, in the State. From what? Acrolene. A defoliant for beating back the marsh grasses for farming. It's 10 to the 43rd power greater than the safe level for this high cancer causing agent. Yet the farmers use it because it's cheap. Giving cancer to their friends and relatives to save a buck. Mighty White of them.

There in lies the rub! They,The Ruling System, makes safe clean operation such a cost prohibitive scheme that we have to go for what's harmful and cheap to turn a profit. Or
worse yet,just to survive. The top does'nt want the bottom having too much money,they might actually expect that they have rights.
WELL, WE DO!!!

We have the right to clean air,water and healthy growing soils! We must force the government to make it so. Not just elect some bozo and hope they eventually get it done,I mean ride the bastards hard like a pony express rider and get it done.

Remember the truth. The ones we elect are our 'Servants' it's high time we made them act like it,If they don't...heave ho out they go!!
There's nothing that says they get to serve their whole terms if they suck at the job. We
have to excersice that right,before we lose it too. Then there really will be no one to look back.

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I will take a risk here...
Posted by: djnoll on Aug 22, 2008 8:07 AM   
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In many respects the author's words are true - the new administration (hopefully Obama's) will spend a great deal of time undoing what is wrong with this nation and its image in the world after the BushCo years. But he touched on something that might be different: more and more people are realizing that real change must come from within, not from DC. There is a Law of Unintended Consequences that says when you commit an act, it creates unintended consequences that may or may not be for the best. When you give people hope for change, perhaps that hope can create a consequence you do not intend.

This author indicated that because of the bloated military budget nothing gets done on things like health care and education. Perhaps that will be right, but hope is a strong motivator. You only have to look at California and see that. Perhaps the unintended consequence of hope is that instead of relying on the federal government, the people realize that they can actually do things for themselves. Maybe the hope drives them to demand that the states take on the role of caring for their citizens and institute within state budgets universal health care and that local school boards be supported by bond issues that release the schools to actually teach our children again. Maybe hope drives people to demand more of themselves by pushing them to address environmental issues at the local level and job creation at the local level again - just as they once did in the past. Maybe hope gives local governments the courage to pass laws that cause corporations to lose their personhood and thereby their control at the local level.

And,just maybe, hope gives this nation the courage to stand up and say "Not this time!" to government by special interest. Maybe, just maybe, hope gives us the courage to be real Patriots and take back our government, our media, and our military from corporations, special interest groups, and religious right-wing fanatics. Maybe hope gives us courage, honor, equality, and liberty again in the land of the free and the home of the brave because hope gives us back ourselves on a local level.

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» RE: Thanks for this... Posted by: Mimi
I think that...
Posted by: 2scidrks on Aug 22, 2008 8:42 AM   
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you made a lot of good points here. Your last 2 paragraphs sum up what we need more of in our personal and political dialogs. Excellent.

"Still, here goes: In 2008, I should have dispensed with the optimism, stopped playing the inside-the-Beltway pundit game of influence, and talked straight. I should have written that, unless the new administration fundamentally changed U.S policy -- reducing the nuclear arsenals, cutting the military budget, launching a full-speed effort to halve carbon emissions, abandoning the nonsensical "war on terror" -- we would run the risk of Goldilocks.

I should have said: we seek out the comfortable middle at our own peril. Not too hot and not too cold, not too hard and not too soft, it's a strategy guaranteed to lull anyone into a dangerous complacency. After all, once you've made your bed, however comfortable it may be, you have to lie in it. And it's then, after a few brief moments of self-satisfied sleep, that you're bound to hear the scratching at the door."

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2050. Military industrial complex.. in space
Posted by: cyr3n on Aug 22, 2008 9:08 AM   
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This article almost sounds like something that would be on io9.com! Here's a vidcast show of how class struggles might play out when we finally colonize mars and venus

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No mention of the important problem-too many of us
Posted by: leemiller38 on Aug 22, 2008 9:16 AM   
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This article, like so many, avoids the overpopulation problem. A new administration should decrease legal immigration (now at a million per year) into the U.S. which increases the U.S. contribution to global warming, reverse the Mexico City Policy and instead promote the legalization of safe abortion worldwide. In collaboration with international community, promote widespread reproductive health care and family planning by increasing the budget. The Pentagon will never miss the few billion it will take to do this. Develop and implement a population policy for the U.S. and set an example for the world.
Since little of this will happen, we will have a catastrophe down the road, but not because the Kyota protocol was out of date. An outbreak-crash curve is evident for the human population, only the timing of the crash is not yet revealed, but the evidence of a destroyed carrying capacity is all around us.

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Many Futures Are Possible
Posted by: Mimi on Aug 22, 2008 9:59 AM   
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Although I wish Alternet/Tom Dispatch had asked a Foresight professional to write about the future (and Feffer's biography, impressive as it is, shows nothing about the formal study of the future in it), yet Feffer has given us what a Foresight professional calls a "futures scenario" -- The Goldilocks scenario.

Professional Foresight practitioners typically produce three to four futures scenarios for a specific issue, ways in which the future could unfold, and, as Feffer's has done, express each futures scenario metaphorically. For example, one of four futures scenarios for South Africa on apartheid was called the "ostrich" scenario-- putting their heads in the sand.

Further, educated and trained Foresight professionals do not make predictions about "the" future, but, rather, recognize that there are many futures, plural, that could emerge from our immediate present. Foresight professionals generally operate with three types of futures: predicted, possible, and preferred.

From this perspective, The Goldilocks future scenario that Feffer develops is a possible future.

See the writings of Sara Robinson, a professional in Foresight, at ourfuture.org, for how an informed Foresight practitioner approaches our future.

For an antidote to the Goldilocks scenario, see Rick Perlstein's recent article, The Liberal Shock Doctrine, proposing disruptive progressive change.

And for the best on possibilities for an environmentally sane future, see everything at worldchanging.com as well as Jamais Cascio and Rebecca Solnit.

Taken as a whole, writings about our future have the potential to inform citizen action in the present to avert the worst future for the United States and the world and move ourselves collective toward a future in which we all thrive and flourish. That is how to read them and use them -- NOT as "predictions" that are right or wrong, but as a tool for shaping the future we want.

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insufficiently robust predictive ability
Posted by: gzuckier on Aug 22, 2008 10:24 AM   
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i like the sarah vowell answer when asked to look back at her thoughts for the future after the 2000 election: "what i'm most surprised by is the absolute failure of my pessimism to be up to the task."

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The Future Has Not Been Cancelled. The West is Drowning in a Sea of Lies.
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 22, 2008 10:34 AM   
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There is no shortage of Energy. Peak Oil is a Scam. It's simply not true.

America is rapidly losing the Worldwide Game of control and has already become a minor player.

Sheer brute force thuggery attemping to steal other countries resources - just leads to the complete abortion of Iraq.

Stealing doesn't work - even when accompanied by the most powerful military force ever assembled.

The rest of the World just carries on with its own projects without any involvement of the US/UK Thugs.

Read Globalistan by Pepe Escobar.

Its a complete masterpiece.

It will educate you about the real state of the world - well it did me.

I actually found it quite uplifting because my heart is with the poor of the world - and I see great hope for the future such that even the poorest in the world can have electricity and clean water and sewage systems - as a result of the tremendous wealth of the Earth's energy resources.

Our own decadence and waste will simply be ignored as we become increasingly irrelevant to what is actually going on - on our planet.

Earth is not owned by America Inc

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obama administration?? *ROTFLMAOTIPIMP*...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Aug 22, 2008 11:01 AM   
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but the authour is nevertheless correct about the apocalypse.. its difficult to imagine mccain not causing it...

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Reading this commentary was a like lot reading commentary by George Will
Posted by: logansafi on Aug 22, 2008 11:40 AM   
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What a waste! I almost would have preferred reading George Will to reading this sort of poorly camouflaged 'Let's all vote Obama' crap.

That's what it was really, too. 'Vote Obama even if you are cynical about the Democratic Party!' Wow! What insight...NOT.

Barnes and Ignoble ought to open up a section of Liberal Fantasy Writing to go alongside their Christian Fiction section. They could put fluff like this there and the liberal voteDemocrat crowd would lap it right up!

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This might be true
Posted by: kandimba on Aug 22, 2008 11:46 AM   
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I usually don't believe in futurology, but these predictions seem about right. Brilliant text, indeed.

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» RE: This might be true Posted by: Dboy
Thank You For Your Tolerance. It Would Appear That I Have Finally Been Banned
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 22, 2008 11:49 AM   
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I won't post again.

Goodbye.

Love & Peace,

Tony

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RE: I am puzzled why Ompoc is banned. Personal attacks?
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 22, 2008 6:22 PM   
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I don't mind personal attacks on me personally - and my "religious" views

ie that is my views that are just based on other people's ideas that I beleived

but when some fucking global warming evangelist comes along and dumps on me

i just admit defeat

after all he has got richard blood and al gore on his side

i have just got my education on mine
and a career in science pays shit money - even if you are way at the top of the class

so i chose music (listening to it)

and making computers work

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WHERE IS ALTERNET'S EDITOR?
Posted by: charlieparisek on Aug 22, 2008 3:35 PM   
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Four pages of bloated drivel.
Did Alternet actually read this garbage before posting it?

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What reward do I get for reading this garbage?
Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 22, 2008 4:31 PM   
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Your agenda doesn't even make sense.

Cry me a river about nuclear weapons by the way.

You're living in a fantasy world where there are no men with weapons ready and willing to cut your throat for a sandwich.

I live in the real world and I know that if this country turned into what you'd like it to be we'd last about 3 hours before the Russian and Chinese missiles laden with nuclear warheads and biological weapons wiped out 70% of our population.

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When I Was 7 Years Old I Played in Bombed Out Mills - Destroyed By German NAZIS
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 22, 2008 4:36 PM   
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What Do You Mean I Can't Do That?

YOU Never Defined That

Sure I was born in a world slowly recovering from World War II


Americans have no idea about how Europe was so destroyed

When I was 7 years old I was playing in Bombed Out Cotton Mills

They still hadn't been cleared in 1960

The Second World War ended in 1945

8 years before I was born

15 years later the mess still hadn't been cleared up

And then it was

And Black Sabbath sung War Pigs

And I thought it was impossible that anything so aweful could happen again

And Tony Blair sent in our Soldiers with George Bush to

Destroy One of The Most Important Places in The World

Of Human Civilisation

And I

COMPLAIN

And will continue to till the day I Die

We are ENGLISH

We don't need to hang on to the coat tails of our pathetic american children to steal oil

I don't understand why all English Men aren't as angry as I am

Rage Against The Machine are Headlining Reading Festival

That's in ENGLAND

Though they come form AMERICA

As do the support band

METALLICA

Tony

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Books Are Your Only Sensible Source of Information
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 22, 2008 5:52 PM   
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And you actually have to Read them

Not someone elses review of them

You actually have to read books

Books are the resukt of someone's ideas - and in many cases many years of pure research finding out how the world really is

And then after assembling all this information

It is compressed down by a completely brilliant editor who completely loves its content

Who knows a publisher that hasn't gone bust

And if you are incredibly lucky

I might get to read it

And Thank You

Pepe Escobar

For Your Wonderful Book

Globalistan

You Educated Me

Tony

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Why are we all so scared?
Posted by: Kate_24 on Aug 22, 2008 6:49 PM   
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I wonder why we are all so scared to look and see what we're doing. Like children we keep our eyes closely shut, instead of opening them, thinking: If we can't see the problems, they can't see us!

Lately, I started reading a lot of articles here again - because I really enjoyed their tone - being humble when it comes to our abilities, but not being ignorant when it comes to our options. This look back from the future was one of them.

While I personally think it is a comforting thought that in the grand scheme of things we matter very little (as if the universe cared!) and that even after we're all long gone, this planet will continue to exist (one way or another), I still like the utopian idea that somehow we can get together and clear up our mess once and for all. And that's at the core of this very article, isn't it?

I can understand those who say things aren't as bad as we may think they are. Still, I'd argue: That's not a reason not to act.

Something will come, even if we don't get going and eventually mess up. But why don't we at least try? I mean, who in the Roman Empire would ever have thought humankind could get to where we are. And inspite of all the problems we're facing, we've gotten pretty far, haven't we?

I like to think of our history as a process similar to growing up: While we as individuals have always come to a point where we had to act maturely and take responsibility for ourselves, our society as a whole is really just coming of age, or maybe we're just entering kindergarden.

But now's as good a time as any to start growing up. With all our history, I think we're well equipped to make reasonable, maybe even wise decisions now - regardless of economic, political, or private interests. We know we can, we're just a little afraid of doing it. Like moving out of the house you grew up in, into a new city entirely, it's a little scary at first. And we're bound to make mistakes. But those become less overtime, and we begin leading a good life. It's really easy once we start. It just take a little courage to overcome that fear, a little courage to take the first step and begin.

Maybe some of the claims made here are utopian. But when we were children things that were out of our reach really didn't stop us from trying to get them. I know we're not stupid. And I know that we aren't bad people. I think most of us have an idea of what we need to do right now - whether it's Americans, Europeans, Russians, Chinese, or anyone else. If I say something, it will not cause much of a ripple. But if we're many, we will.

And I think being grown-up is pretty cool. And it feels good to go to bed at night, knowing we have achieved something today.

Stop complaining. Stop acting as if you didn't matter. We all do. Maybe we don't agree on each issue, but in the process of growing we learn to make compromises and find solutions that suit all our interests and lead to a desirable outcome.

And if those in charge don't get it, we're the ones who have to tell them.

I think that is the message of this piece, or what it tells me anyway. And I hope that the predictions will turn out to be wrong - because we were not too scared to act on utopian ideas.

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glad to hear from the future
Posted by: FemWorkingClass on Aug 22, 2008 8:57 PM   
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Mr. Feffer you join distinquished company. Are you familiar with a book titled "Futureshock" by Toffler? I don't have a copy and I wish I could check his predictions. From what I remember he seems to have been remarkably accurate.

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Non-cowardly future prediction
Posted by: PaulK on Aug 22, 2008 9:20 PM   
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How's this:

In 2015 a 170 mile an hour hurricane, "Georges", flooded NYC's subway and electrical system with salt water. Also three towers fell over and every single tower in the City lost all its glass, creating a sea of shards all over, but the lasting effect was that nobody without lots of clout had electricity for years in NYC, and the subway lines came up one by one after months of downtime. The city kind of died a bit.

Oh, and New Orleans flooded again in 2012. Shockingly, the big hurricanes kept missing Miami and Washington, D.C.

All this happened because the whole Arctic burped gigatons of methane due to runaway global warming.

Not that the USA had any money. True unemployment (not the kind you apply for) hit 50%. The govt. made a big show of throwing out millions of established aliens, but many came right back. There was a silly right wing military putsch that failed miserably, and the leftie revolutionaries were all mouth as usual.

The U.S. prison population hit 3 million people. Lots of drugs, lots of messed up kids hitting their teens and twenties. Lots of asthma, diabetes, MS, cancer.

Obama turned into a Roosevelt type. He won despite another bout of massive Republican vote fraud and a gasoline price rigged to drop below $3 by November 4. He put people to work.

Pentagon spending was a sacred cow at first. Obama didn't touch it. Then, as the depression took hold, the country had a change of heart. It wasn't guns or butter exactly, more like a new generation of H-bombs or crusts of bread. People got hungry after 2 years and wanted bread. Troops had to move the hungry off the national mall. That's another reason for the prison boom. Three squares.

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Your so-called problems serve only to amuse me
Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 22, 2008 9:57 PM   
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Did you really expect humanity to live forever?

What does it matter if we die in 1 billion years, 10 million years, 10,000 years, or tomorrow?

We're going to be extinguished from the universe eventually and there is nothing we can do about it.

Accept it.

Enjoy your brief existence on this planet as best you can.

If the only way for you to enjoy life is to whine about things that are far beyond your ability to impact then, what can I say?

Carry on friend.

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The whole point
Posted by: PandaBear on Aug 22, 2008 10:31 PM   
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...of this article is that we need bold leadership now, not wishy-washy "both sides of the aisle" centrism. I thought the article was pretty clever, showing what could happen should we get too cozy with victory.

The complaints I'm reading about the article don't make any sense to me.

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Needs a little editing
Posted by: meltedpriest on Aug 23, 2008 12:51 AM   
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Not bad (I esp liked the last 4 or 5 paragraphs); but the middle needs work. The writer takes too long to make the point.

Still, the warning is well taken.

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2008: The Great American Malaise
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Aug 23, 2008 3:45 AM   
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I don't know about 2016, but right now in 2008 I can say that when I look around me I find myself living in one of the most demoralized, depressing, stagnant, and malaise-laden environments I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing.

Zombified by a constant diet of TV, motoring, social deprivation, and WAY too much high-calorie food, the average American citizen now resembles something out of a Romero film more than a citizen of a once prosperous and relatively free democracy.

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War is a failed paradigm
Posted by: maxsmart on Aug 23, 2008 11:23 AM   
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Perhaps it would be simpler just to say it is time we and the rest of the world stopped falling for the logic that wars solve anything. Next maybe we should see that globalization is not a business deal it is a human relations project and we need to jettison nationalism and tribalism and the excuses for hatred and blame to be heaped on others. The difference between yours and ours is simply a 'y' and the why is that we are all interconnected on this planet. War is a false profit.

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QUOTING JIM HIGHTOWER, "THERE IS NOTHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD BUT
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 23, 2008 1:19 PM   
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yellow stripes and dead armadillos."

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are you sure you can?
Posted by: Jangeen@netzero.net on Aug 24, 2008 6:51 AM   
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If the writer is really sure of predicting the future, can he tell his readers: Where, When and How he is going to die?

Thanks.

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Yep, drink good booze...
Posted by: makeadifference on Aug 25, 2008 8:20 AM   
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Just like they said in Russia... and drink good booze... the Russians went for the vodka.

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Actually, on the optimistic side
Posted by: ceti on Aug 25, 2008 4:04 PM   
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Even though this prognosis is middle of the road, it rests on fairly optimistic starting points:

1. Democrats win 2008: no sure thing

2. Some real change is enacted in first hundred days: even less of a sure thing.

3. US signs Kyoto, negotiates disarmament, etc.: all of these are even more remote possibilities with Biden as VP.

There are a lot more.

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Not so fast ...
Posted by: kat827618 on Aug 31, 2008 12:43 PM   
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The 30% solution, for buildings, is on the table as we speak, and there is reason to believe we can do better than that:

New England and Colorado are steadily expanding their renewable energy programs, and West Virginia is about to join in. (There may be others I haven't heard-of.) As does CO, so does the West.

California is importing electric cars from Norway.

Germany makes and uses solar panels for the roofs of houses and buildings.

Salicornia is a crop that grows in arid soil, using seawater, with the potential to provide food and fuel for millions of people during the transition away from fossil fuels, helping to keep American money in America.

What is needed is a fast-acting, nationwide government initiative that enables people in every state and town to have affordable, renewable, clean energy (and cars) that create jobs that strengthen local economies.

Government is how our highways came to be.

Put green energy in place and it will grow, and a 75% reduction in emissions is extremely do-able.

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