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Republicans Have Handed Democrats a Winning Election Issue
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The gift is the Republicans' continued opposition to extending renewable energy incentives. Eight times since the fall of 2007, a Republican-threatened filibuster has thwarted a vote on extending these incentives. They will expire at the end of this year -- and with that expiration, many believe the solar and wind industries will come to a grinding halt.
The GOP is holding the renewable energy industry hostage to its demand that Congress not reduce the existing subsidies to oil companies, hedge fund managers and foreign corporations. It is a bizarre linkage, but so far the Republicans are getting away with it.
Indeed, it is the Democrats who are on the defensive on the energy issue. Even a cursory perusal of the media shows that Republicans have succeeded in putting the focus on offshore drilling. Democrats have reacted by arguing that this strategy would supply too little additional oil much too late to have any significant impact. They're right, but their argument doesn't resonate to an American public that wants the government to do something, anything, about oil prices, and for them offshore drilling at least is a concrete supply-side proposal.
Democrats need to shift the focus to renewable energy, a supply-side strategy that holds much greater promise both in the short term and in the long term -- and one that is wildly popular. By most polls, more than 80 percent of Americans support government incentives for renewable energy.
On renewable energy, the Democrats have a clear advantage in this presidential election. John McCain, the GOP's presidential standard-bearer, has consistently opposed government support for renewable energy. Several times he has voted against extending renewable energy incentives. Sometimes he simply fails to show up for a vote. But even then, he is clear on how he would have voted. In one instance, when he failed to show up for a vote, the New York Times reported, "Aides to Mr. McCain said that he would have sided with the Republican leaders and that his vote was not needed."
McCain's justification for opposing renewable energy incentives at times appears to be a philosophical position. As he responded to one reporter's question, "I'm not one who believes that we need to subsidize things. The wind industry is doing fine, the solar industry is doing fine."
Yet his is a philosophy that is applied in an almost bizarrely inconsistent manner. For example, he vigorously supports nuclear energy and oil, two of our most highly subsidized fuels. Indeed, he joined his Republican brethren in fighting Democratic efforts to simply reduce existing subsidies to the wildly profitable oil industry. Can it be that renewable energy is the only type of energy McCain believes does not deserve government support?
Changing the Debate
How can Democrats shift the spotlight to renewable energy? By forcing Republicans to actually filibuster votes on the issue. This comment deserves a brief digression into Politics 101, for I'm certain that when Americans read in the news that the Democrats could not muster enough votes to stop a Republican filibuster, they believe the Republicans actually did filibuster. They didn't. They simply threatened to filibuster. As one blogger describes such a threat, "It's nothing more than a finger in a pocket pretending to be a gun."
Emboldened by the reticence of the Democratic Party to call their bluff, Republicans have increased the use of the threatened filibuster to unprecedented levels. In this Congressional term, the GOP is on pace to obstruct three times more legislation with this technique than the average for the last decade.
Step one to winning this election is to force the Republicans to really filibuster if they want to delay a legislative vote. A real filibuster is when minority members have to stand on their feet for hours or days, even weeks, talking nonstop with no breaks. Picture a hoarse, disheveled Jimmy Stewart on the floor of Congress talking in the wee hours of the morning in the marvelous 1939 movie, "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington." That's a filibuster. The Senate has not had a real drawn-out filibuster in more than 40 years.
If Republicans were forced to actually filibuster, the nation would witness the first 24/7 filibuster in an age of 24/7 news coverage. Within hours, renewable energy, and the Republicans' feeble explanations of why they are willing to cut off its life support system, would move onto center stage of this campaign.
When it comes to renewable energy, the Democrats have another advantage. On this issue it is Republicans, not Democrats, who will have to explain their anti-business position. Renewable energy is no longer a cottage industry; it is one of the most rapidly growing sectors in American and global economies. This year in the United States alone, perhaps $10 billion will be invested in wind energy and more than $3 billion in solar energy.
The business community has expressed its dissatisfaction over the GOP's strategy. Earlier this year, several hundred corporate heads signed a petition to the Republicans to stop their obstructionism on this issue.
With the spotlight on renewable energy, the Democrats then must explain to the American people how an expansion in renewable electricity leads to a reduction in oil consumption. I've explained the linkage in a a recent story. The key is to electrify the transportation system. Since less than 2 percent of our electricity is generated with oil, a mile driven on electricity is virtually an oil-free mile. The technological foundation for this transition is already in place. More than a million hybrid electric vehicles are on the road today. Hybrids are best-sellers. Add a few more batteries and a socket to the hybrid, and one has a car (or truck) that can run primarily on electricity.
Democrats could justify an electrified transportation system on the basis of national security or job creation, but I believe their strongest argument would be to appeal to our pocketbooks. Driving a mile on electricity costs only 3 cents, while driving a mile on gasoline can cost 15 cents.
Although Toyota and Honda have led the way with their hybrids, Democrats can and should ask the American car companies, Ford and GM, to give them their prototype plug-in hybrids for the Denver convention. Ford's Escape plug-in hybrid comes with a flexible fueled engine, which means that while the car can be powered primarily by oil-free electricity, its backup engine can be powered by ethanol, itself a fuel that requires very little oil in the growing of the crop or the manufacture of the biofuel.
On electrified vehicles, as with renewables, Democrats and especially Barack Obama have a decided advantage. Obama has been a leading supporter of electrified vehicles, sponsoring nurturing legislation before most of his colleagues. Meanwhile, McCain has voted against incentives for electrified vehicles.
The energy bill stuck in Congress today contains a tax credit for electrified vehicles based on the distance the vehicle can travel solely on electricity. If enacted, the tax credit could make electrified vehicles competitive overnight.
Coming out firmly in favor of an electrified vehicle fleet also gives Democrats the opportunity to offer Americans a much more sound and enduring strategy for getting off oil.
Consider Obama's declared intention to have 1 million plug-in hybrid electric vehicles on the road by 2015. The media dutifully reported his announcement but regrettably didn't compare it to the Republicans' proposal for offshore drilling. The comparison is instructive.
If we reach Obama's target, a goal I firmly believe we could actually exceed by almost tenfold with an accelerated effort, we would displace more oil than would be supplied by offshore drilling by 2025, according to the Energy Information Administration. And if we produce only 2 million plug-in hybrids or all-electric vehicles by 2015, we would displace more oil than the EIA estimates new offshore wells would supply at peak production in 2030.
With their continued obstructionism to renewable energy incentives, the Republicans have primed the pump. When Congress returns from recess, the Democrats' first order of business should be to step on the gas and call the Republicans' bluff. When the Republicans threaten to filibuster, force them to filibuster. Force them to explain to the American people, for days on end, why they are embracing a strategy that could stall the growth of the U.S. renewable energy industry and condemn us to an ever-growing addiction to oil.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 20, 2008 12:52 AM
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The same hedge fund managers that are bankrolling Obama and the Democratic Party?
Nothing to see here, move along ...
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 20, 2008 12:56 AM
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Aug 20, 2008 1:54 AM
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 20, 2008 2:50 AM
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Yesterday for my latest piece -- expansion plans of county car dealerships -- I interviewed management personnel for Honda, Nissan and Toyota. In all three instances, I was told that existing technology can free us from dependency on Middle East oil -- if American drivers will make the necessary behavioral changes.
1. We should return to the 55-mph national limit ordered by Nixon three decades ago.
2. No lead-foot gas pedaling in town
3. Tires must be properly inflated
4. Vehicles must have regular tune-ups.
5. Do not buy eight-cylinder cars, new or used.
6, Convert autos and trucks to natural gas (ala T. Boon Pickens)
7. Recycle used motor oil
8. Tap our national emergency petroleum reserve.
By combining those actions with aggressive implementation of solar and wind technology, the dealership people I talked with believe in less than 10 years, WITHOUT new offshore drilling, America could tell the blood-sucking Arabs to go to hell!
There is one caveat. New national leadership -- i.e. an Obama administration -- will be required.
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Posted by: Derek Maddox on Aug 20, 2008 3:16 AM
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And that's just in New York. God knows what kind of under the table deals have been done in other states.
The Republicans would have plenty to talk about during a 24/7 filibuster, and it would be broadcast worldwide by CSPAN, Fox News, and CNN. Are you really sure you want to force that issue?
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Posted by: CatDad on Aug 20, 2008 3:17 AM
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I am horrified....but completely unsurprised, that the ruling elites and their corporate media enablers have completely reframed the energy debate in terms of drilling our way out our current energy crisis...specifically by touting the opening up of ANWAR as the solution....The oil industry can check off yet another item on their "wish list" that has been handed to them on a silver platter by corrupt/crony politicians who don't give a damn about the well being of the nation.
I was also horrified....but completely unsurprised by the Democrats capitulation on the ANWAR issue...with Pelosi and Obama making 180 degree turns on this issue....It's the Democrats doing what they do best...taking the support of progressives and caving-in to the Right Wing at the blinking of the eye
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Posted by: bryangalt on Aug 20, 2008 3:21 AM
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Is it any wonder that Americans are also at an all time high?
That is the only explanation I can come up with to explain why we aren't marching on Washington to demand that those SOB's that represent us with thier lip-service are giving away money to the Super SOB oil companies.
How can a member of congress look at himself/herself in the morning knowing that the billions in subsidies that they gave to a company that just profited billions more from the Americans could have been used to help homeless people, give health care to the poor and middle class, pay for school upgrades, road repairs, research into clean technologies, etc.
Instead, they are making sure we, as a nation, go into such a steep decline that the only destination we will be able to arrive at will resemble the sight of a train wreck.
I hope you'all remember your bongs for this crash. It will be the last time you can afford to fill 'er up.
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Aug 20, 2008 4:41 AM
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If Democrats weren't totally inept we would have a completely different world today.
I don't get it, it's almost as if they keep TRYING to lose -- maybe they are.
On nearly every issue, most Americans favor the Democratic stance, and yet Democrats keep capitulating on them all. Republicans latch onto one or two relatively insignificant issues and hold on like a pit bull.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 20, 2008 5:45 AM
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Pickens Con is that natural gas will solve our problem- His corp is into Natural Gas. Even if we go to Wind & Solar who will control the distribution and Cost to consumers?
The reason Wind & solar are having such a difficult time is that every Home owner, business owner could theoretically have their own Windmills & panels and Not need the Middle man- in fact be able to sell excess back - make them the consumer.Or more likely, Obsolete.
Until we demand all Land & off Shore Leases are Revoked, repo the equipment that has been bought and paid for By US- without ever being paid back from those loans/Tax breaks (except with higher energy costs) and ending the Corp Middle man skimming and Poaching We will never be Indeependent from their Highway robbery and political influence (Iraq, Iran, Georgia).
Let's all face the fact that 9/11 was a direct cause of the Relationship between Oil Incs who fly our flag & their Foreign Oil Royal sponsors.The Saudi Nationals et al who targeted theFinancial backers, the military might and the foreign policies which have encourage these Corps to stay in the M.E. for decades.Most Americans Figured Out we need to get out of their 30 yrs ago!
As for Jobs - we not only woud increase our manufacturing by building windmills & solar panels for home & biz, but we would eliminate the over head cost of energy to business' therefore allowing them more money to hire staff!Not to mention the Oil & auto industries blockage of mass transit- Reason MI is Motown..because we have not been ALLOWED to have a Real mass transit system-Rail.Why is MI unemeployement higher than most others- because we can't afford the gas to drive an hour to where Jobs are!
My husband has to SHELLs Out $90.00 2xs a week to work as a carpenter, he must have a truck and he must travel regardless where we live.
So now after 28 yrs being a union carpenter his 660(Net) a week - 180 = 480/40= $12.00/hour ...Union Wage??
The Energy corps have not only put US in harms way (from wrath from others because of their Business stratedgy), they have undercut the Free markets ability to compete and Hire, but have also lowered the standard of living for all of US.They have placed their profit margins above National Interest and security (foreign and economic)..To me I can think of no better definition of TREASON than what they have Done to US over the last several decades.
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Posted by: PaulC on Aug 20, 2008 7:17 AM
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There is zero downside to renewables. You could not hand Obama a better situation if you tried to make one up:
- skyrocketing prices
- obscene oil profits
- a public crying out for real solutions
- a field-tested technology THAT USES NO FUEL yet can generate many times over the energy we need
- an opponent so wedded to the old ways that should the issue be pushed hard McCain would look older and more like Bush/Cheney with every rationalization he was forced to mutter, while Obama would look younger and smarter and more relevant. It would be a lose-lose-lose situation for McCain and win-win-win for Obama.
Obama is fumbling badly. He desperately needs to dump his incredibly inept top political advisors and get good people in there who give a shit about America and this earth. And Obama has to step up to the plate and stop cowering in fear of the Rethugs and their right wing neo-Nazi hate machine.
How about showing passion and energy, Obama? And stop selling us out with your compromise-before-the-issue-is-debated lunacy.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 20, 2008 8:17 AM
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Nixon came across as a buffoon. He had facial ticks and odd mannerisms aplenty. Nobody could watch the SOB for more than a few minutes and not feel for their wallet. They say he was cunning but he came across psychotic.
Ronald Reagan was the dumbest man that I have ever seen run for any office anywhere. The mythology they have built around him is all wrong. He didn't even look like he meant it when he was repeating the most reactionary of slogans. I think he started out stupid and got "sick" a decade before he ran for office. He also had bad hair and a silly expression that would get him beat up in a nursing home.
Bush was impossibly bourgeois. He was the anti-FDR or the anti-Kennedy - they were supposed to be the "approachable" bourgeois. Bush's made up accent always sounded like he was about to say, "bring the car around". And, he had been the head of the secret police.
The younger Bush - what can you say? Who can really, honestly say that they didn't know what was coming.
And now we have McCain. He is dumber than dumb, faker than fake, absolutely an amateur at everything he does, crazier than a loop, obviously a liar, an opportunist, and freakin' dangerous.
And the dumb ass twit has a real chance at winning the presidential elections in America just like the other idiots, on a program of "I'm a gonna screw you"... without even the pretense of "fooling the electorate."
The wankers listed above couldn't get elected to city alderman. Even if all politics have become irrelevant in U.S. elections and they promote "personalities" alone, these characters are dead losers. There is no voting scam broad enough, no media conspiracy deep enough, no right-wing core in America reactionary enough, and thus, no possible explanation for these events.
And then I got to thinking, who does this reflect on?
The Democratic Party has got to be the worst political party in human history.
But then I got to thinking, it is not possible to have a political party that bad.
The Democratic Party plays an indispensable role in society's political machinery. This doesn't mean it has any power, in terms of controlling the state or setting policy. It means that without the existence of the Dem Party, the US could no longer maintain the pretense that it's a "democracy." If the Dem Party disintegrated, the US would be revealed for what it really is -- a one-party state ruled by a narrow alliance of business interests.
In terms of defending the general population against the depredations of this business consortium, the Dem Party gave up the ghost in the mid-1960's. Their threadbare act as the "Party of the People" serves not to defend the well-being of the population, but merely to persuade ordinary citizens that within the official political system's framework, there's at least some faint hope for eventual progressive change. Their focus is not so much being on our side, as convincing us that they're on our side -- without the slightest serious examination of what that might entail.
The party's true function is thus largely theatrical. It doesn't exist to fight for change, but only to pose as a force which one fine distant day might possibly bestir itself to fight for change. Thus the whole magic of the Dem Party -- the essential service it renders to the US power structure -- lies not in what it does, but in its mere existence: by simply existing, and doing nothing, it pretends to be something it's not; and this is enough to relieve despair & to let the system portray itself as a "democracy."
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 20, 2008 8:17 AM
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The reason why the Obama and the Democrats will not grab the opportunity to take this winning position on energy is twofold: donations and cowardice.
While George Bush was flagrantly and blatantly violating the constitution, the rule of law, and international law the Democrats either hid behind the excuse that they couldn’t stop a filibuster or they agreed with his policies.
When the President lies to the American people and to Congress to prosecute an illegal war, he deserves to be impeached yet the Democrats and in particular, Nancy Pelosi, refused to even consider charging the President with “high crimes and misdemeanors”. As well, when the President perverted the use of signing statements to hijack the legislative functions of government, the Democratic Congress stood idly by while the President purloined their powers. In addition, when it became patently obvious that the Bush administration was using “enhanced interrogative techniques” or torture at prisons around the globe, they turned a blind eye. Why would anyone expect the Democrats to act any differently when the issue is whether or not to invest in renewable energy and desist from solving the energy crisis with more fossil fuels?
Another reason why Obama and the Democrats will continue to advocate offshore drilling despite their loudly proclaimed reservations and to fail to shift the focus to renewables is because oil money is pouring into their coffers and oil lobbyists staffing their campaign. It is true that Obama has promised “I don’t take money from oil companies” but he is being less than candid. No candidate is allowed to accept donations from any corporations since passage of the Tillman Act of 1907. Instead, he is using the same tactic as the Republicans by accepting individual donations from oil company executives including a total of $30,850 from ExxonMobil and $9,900 from Shell. Obama has also reassured the voters that he does not accept money from PACs and lobbyists but he did accept $30,850 from ExxonMobil employees. As well, oil industry executives are collecting money from individuals and donating it to Obama’s campaign. George Kaiser, chairman of Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. has bundled over $50,000 for the Obama campaign.
Obviously, Obama’s vision is blurred somewhat from his acceptance of money from the oil industry. His vision is further impaired by using former lobbyists as advisors in his campaign. Despite the overwhelming support from the American people for a shift to renewable energy, Obama and the Democrats are advocating an energy policy that would not be anathema to the oil industry.
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 20, 2008 8:19 AM
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1. "We Surrender."
2. "Please don't yell at us, we're frightened."
3. "Would you like us to roll over on our backs now, or do you prefer that we remain on our knees?"
4. "Let's bomb Iran."
5. "We stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the President."
6. "We stand for rule by a kinder, gentler military-industrial complex."
7. "What's good for MobilExxon, Citicorp, and Northrop-Grumman is good for America."
8. "If you like venal cowards and betrayal, vote for us!"
9. "Please don't ask us to stand up to the Republicans. They get very angry if anyone opposes them -- and it's really scary!!
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 20, 2008 8:24 AM
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Posted by: MTguy on Aug 20, 2008 9:25 AM
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2. Lobby to keep your subsidies in place.
The major oil companies have no conscience, do they? If McCain is in support of their subsidies, that's a drum the Dems need to be beating loudly and often.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Aug 20, 2008 10:07 AM
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No?
Check out his behavior on FISA and the way he rammed through the Mukasey nomination. (Dems had enough votes to sustain a filibuster; Mukasey was confirmed by a vote of 53 - 40. Reid broke his word and called for a voice vote to end debate when Dodd - who had promised to lead a filibuster - was out of town.)
Now we have an AG who will not prosecute criminality by the most corrupt administration in a century and the fourth amendment is a dead letter - thanks to Harry Reid.
With friends like that, I don't need enemies.
There is more - but that is enough.
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Posted by: Knot_Rich on Aug 20, 2008 10:32 AM
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Let's see here, it looks like that sector is doing quite well, and I'm sure it will only get better. Why should the taxpayers subsidize them when it's a wet dream for investors? Don't get me wrong, we shouldn't be subsidizing the oil companies either, nor the production of ethanol, taxpayer subsidies are just a pre-payment on your gallon of gas. Some people just like to give away government "our" money like there's no tomorrow, as long as it's for something they personally support, without stopping to think, there is no government money. The government conficates money from the people, shuffles it thru a buracracy loaded with cronies earning good pay, benefits and paid holidays people working in the public sector will never see, and then re-distributes what's left. Just maybe, instead of confiscating our money and giving it away in subsidies, they taxed us less leaving us with more of our earnings, we could afford to buy these solar panels and water heaters, maybe some could afford to build windmills, and then, now try and follow me kiddies, the increased demand would inspire more alternative energy businesses and innovation. Did the government have to subsidize plasma TV's or ipods or video games? Fraid not, demand creates a market, and as long as there's profit to be made the market will be met, all by itself, without the government handing it my money. Get real folks, stop taking my freakin money away to give away to subsidize someone else's business and make them rich while I'm trying to figure out how to pay for the groceries. Y'all whine about the declining standard of living, well, do you actually think increasing the money the government takes from working people to give away to business will improve that?
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Aug 20, 2008 10:51 AM
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It's true the Democrats are blowing it big time on several fronts and that includes Obama for not being forceful enough as well as Congress and the Senate playing into this drill her drill now scam..
There are two separate issues one is a long term energy solution and alternate and renewable energy sources is an essential part of that...
The other is to address the doubling of the cost of Oil and Gas in this past yer...
The solution for this is Regulation of the Commodities and Futures Markets...and closing the loopholes that have allowed what is the biggest swindle in world history which this is..
Oil should be selling for from $55-58 per barrel...
Almost all of this differential in price of Oil is due to the criminal insider trading on the Oil and Gas market and it's manipulation and the Republicans caused this to occur..especially Phil Gramm..John McCain's economic guru..and former chief economic adviser who is still hanging around and advising his campaign..
Why won't Obama and the Democrats explain this to the American people...
There is no real current shortage in Oil supply none what so ever..and we've had the had of OPEC and even the VP of Exxon say that this increase is not due to supply and demand..!
Sadly Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are top contributors to Obama and also his advisers past presidents of Goldman Sachs..
There is no doubt that with this being such a close race the Democrats had better do something because any Democrat should be ahead of McCain well into the double digits..and Obama is not..
Also a close election will be stolen by the Republicans thanks to Diebold and ESS..!
14 states still have no way to verify their electronic voting...!
14 States..!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 20, 2008 11:37 AM
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The truth is much like in poker you need to call their hand. Let the Repugnicans show the American people exactly how bought and paid for they are as they explain why hard working Americans need to continue to pay thru the nose for these crooks to continue to fleece this country blind!
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Posted by: dockboy on Aug 20, 2008 1:11 PM
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Seeking renewable energy sources is a great long-term strategy, but we need to do something about getting the price of gas down, now. My guess is half of you morons don't even own a car, so don't feel the pinch of high prices. I make a decent living, so the prices don't affect me as much as it does lower-income earners who have the responsibility of families and have to own cars.
These people who are feeling the pinch make up a sizable chunk of our population, so therefore are putting the pressure on Congress to do something about the high price of gas. Do they want long-term renewable energy? Of course! But they also need short-term relief.
Oh, and one more thing. Obama is flat wrong when he claims that inflating our tires will save more oil than all the drilling that can be done. For starters, very, very few people don't keep their tires inflated properly. Perhaps he's confused and thinks we're all driving around with flat tires.
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Posted by: EagleX on Aug 20, 2008 1:23 PM
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1. increased domestic oil production would generate jobs. A national impact study by Wharton Econometrics estimates total employment at full production from drilling ANWR alone to be 735,000 jobs!
2. Increased domestic oil production would reduce the Federal deficit. Federal revenues would be enhanced by hundreds of billions of dollars from bonus bids, lease rentals, royalties and taxes.
3. Increased government revenue from oil industry contributions could be used to expedite the long term development of alternative energy sources.
4. Increased government revenue from oil industry contributions would strengthen the dollar and lower energy costs due to a reduction in the federal and trade deficits.
5. Contrary to nonsensical and politically self serving rhetoric from Leftist politicians (Obama, Clinton, et al), increasing oil supply does indeed reduce oil costs, albeit with somewhat inelastic swings in the short term.
6. The speculative premium on oil prices would evaporate overnight as a result of a commitment from the federal government to promote development of massive domestic oil reserves.
7. More importantly, the domestic oil drilling, irrespective of whether it raises or lowers prices, will divert hundreds of billions of dollars from the coffers of terrorist supporting mullahs in the Middle East and Marxist in South America to Americans.
8. Increased domestic oil production would cut our trade deficit in half – exporting surplus oil to Japan and China would eliminate the deficit
9. Increased domestic oil production would ease national security concerns and reduce the need for costly military operations in unstable areas of the globe. Also, American energy independence would release over 10 million barrels of oil daily for consumption to nations like China and Japan, further reducing geopolitical tensions created by a stressed oil market.
10. Thankfully, 74% of Americans don’t share the fringe Left's cynical and sarcastic view regarding Republican energy policy
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Aug 20, 2008 1:35 PM
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...If enacted, the tax credit could make electrified vehicles competitive overnight.
I disagree. Tax credits are not going to help now. First people don't have the up-front money to buy an electric and with ever lowering real incomes, tax credits only help the relatively well off. Too many people are in a bracket that leaves them with little benefit from a credit on next year's taxes.
Add to that the problem of trade in value for gas powered cars. As electrics begin to increase in value, so do the gas cars decline in value...leaving people with existing cars they can't get rid of.
Even now people with SUV's are finding their cars are worth less in trade than they still owe on them.
Gov. needs to do something different. Instead of a "credit" they need to provide an "instant rebate" at the dealer equal to the credit. Then the credits need to be given to dealers based on them taking gas vehicles back on trade. Some formula that calculates a credit that increases as the real value of the trade declines, such that there remains an incentive to take in gas guzzlers on trade.
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Posted by: Hans B on Aug 20, 2008 1:51 PM
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Switching from gasoline to electricity is good for the environment only if that electricity is not coal-powered. The most urgent thing the US has to do is wean itself off coal.
Ethanol is a disaster for the environment. It's wrong to simply calculate how much oil goes into ethanol production, as this author does. You also and especially have to take into account how many forests are razed to produce ethanol, or food to replace corn that is now used for ethanol production. At present ethanol produces much more CO2 than gasoline.
In both cases, abandoning oil can lead to even higher CO2 emissions. So the first thing to do is develop renewables, so that electricity will be "clean".
Finally, here's the argument I wish Obama would be making. "Fuel prices will not be impacted by drilling, because there just is not enough oil in US continental waters to make a difference. Oil prices will, however, go down when markets realize that the danger of needless new wars in the Middle East is averted because of my election."
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 20, 2008 3:33 PM
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We wee warned over 20 years ago to get our environmental act together or face serious impacts. We're facing them now. I don't think we have another 20 to wait.
The signs are all around us. Not just the 'No Fishing', 'No Boating', 'No Swiming' ones we've been seeing in grwoing numbers but the natural signs. Trees die-ing from the top down,mutant frogs, robins in Alaska,honeybees too.
The Dems and the Repubs get their money from the same sources and it's not an environmental well. If you want the planet saved,you better look outside the System.
Write-In Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: RocRizzo on Aug 20, 2008 7:41 PM
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To prove my point, we need to look no further than this past summer, when gas was over $4.00/gal. Now it is 20 or more cents less, because people stopped driving, and using gasoline. We all conserved fuel, and didn't even realize it. I really would like this brought more to the forefront, because it is the quickest, and best way for us to bring the cost of energy, whatever form of it we may use.
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Posted by: Collielady on Aug 20, 2008 10:47 PM
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It seems that since the Dems took Congress back they've invented excuses to lean to the right, rather than get after the Republicans. When the Dems roll over for the Republicans because there aren't enough votes, or because the president would just veto anyway, I still don't understand why they don't vote according to their beliefs. Why do they vote WITH the Republicans? If it were me, I'd want the record to show that I opposed. It makes no sense, so they must be trying to impress corporate America more than The People.
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Posted by: Collielady on Aug 20, 2008 11:13 PM
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It seems that since the Dems took Congress back they've invented excuses to lean to the right, rather than get after the Republicans. When the Dems roll over for the Republicans because there aren't enough votes, or because the president would just veto anyway, I still don't understand why they don't vote according to their beliefs. Why do they vote WITH the Republicans? If it were me, I'd want the record to show that I opposed. It makes no sense, so they must be trying to impress corporate America more than The People.
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Posted by: batteredup on Aug 21, 2008 2:58 AM
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Second, a better explanation for why we (speaking for the boomers who protested a generation ago) don't march on Washington, is that most of us are tied to two jobs for survival and don't have the time, energy or money to take it to the streets.
The current generation has been hypnotized by the current opiate of the masses - trinkets like Playstation - and duped by the dumbing-down of this country that began around the time goons like Hulk Hogan (no hero, here Colonel!) made neanderthal behavior trendy. Once stupidity became cool the door was open for human sludge like geo bushman to rise to the top of the cesspool.
Getting stoned is a way to avoid facing the reality that most of us are slaves to the corporate masters, aka the "military-industrial complex President Eisenhower (the last Republican with a semblance of a soul?) warned us about in 1961.
Congress is full of whores with no conscience. It's how they got there. It's easy to ignore the problems the working class faces when you're free time is spent at Martha's Vineyard, Kennebunckport or sailing the yacht -- all miles from the cold, hard reality most of us face on a daily basis and the aristocracy who rule this plutocracy never see.
** Key Survival Tip ** You can fill your bong anytime if you remember to save the seeds!
As for real solutions, the best way I can see to derail this train wreck before we all go down in flames is to, first, outlaw lobbyist activities and make contact with political office holders a federal crime for both parties - treat it like it is - treason.
Second, restrict financing for political office to a limited amount for each candidate that comes from tax sources only, making private contributions a crime. A series of pre-election runoffs would likely be needed to whittle the field at along the way to election day.
Third, providing for publicly-funded TV stations like C-Span at local, state and national levels to serve as the major forums for debate and discussion of issues.
Fourth, dissolve all political parties.
And finally, demand schools educate kids on the fact that a successful democracy happens only when its' citizens treat it as a particapatory form of government. The necessity of becoming proactive in our society is critical to reduce the onset of tyranny and corruption we're currently mired in.
Prosecuting the present batch of crooks in charge would set a nice example ... but the truth is it's all a pipe-dream that won't happen in my lifetime.
So I'll just refill my bowl, strike a match and fire up the only pipe-dream I'll ever realize. Through the smoke I'll enjoy a clear conscience and peace of mind those heartless cocksuckers can never buy.
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Posted by: EagleX on Aug 21, 2008 10:03 AM
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This previous source is provided as a service to the myriad confused, koolaid drinking Leftists on this blog who are ignorant of the vast US fossil fuel reserves.
In addition, we have over 86 billion barrels off shore and like the Green River Formation currently off limits to American workers and companies.
In addition, there is over 10 billion barrels in the Bakken Formation.
In addition, ANWR contains over 10 billion barrels.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you are independent thinking, objective, rational, and care about your nation's future read the article and research the facts yourself.
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Andrews, J. Thomas -- Huffington Post article.
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Posted by: AlteredStates on Aug 21, 2008 5:05 PM
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Ford took over for Nixon, then there was Reagan and Bush I. That should have been enough to sink any country. But Clinton pulled us from the financial abyss, only to have Bush II drag us back into it.
We don't have a two party political system in America anymore. We have the ruling class and then there are the voting public. Yes the voting public, that blind, ignorant, stupid, lobotomized blob of protoplasm that goes through their knee-jerk motion called "voting" every 2 to 4 years. These people don't think, they react to what is presented to them on TV by the spin misters.
Let's face it. We, as a nation are lost. All we have is a mighty military that can crush anything in its' path, but can't control what they have conquered...which is ALWAYS the way with invading armies. Just look at history. Or I should say, the Pentagon should look at history. But alas, they can't. Because, arrogance precludes self-awareness.
So the bottom line is this. Tighten your seat belts, bend over, and kiss your ass goodbye.
See ya.
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Posted by: jreal on Aug 21, 2008 6:59 PM
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I will not at all be surprised if Democrats loose the election.
They actually have a plethora of bullet proof issues (or angles) that they haven't even brought up yet and probably won't (because they're to dumb to see them).
And if they do win. They will keep the Republicans laughing in their private circles when the Democrats start bending to the Republicans corrupt policies (like drilling in Alaska which is promoted only by the oil industry... and then their are other examples like say - telecom imunity).
The Democrats will bend to show "bipartisanship" and they will bend because they will fall pressure to the "rights" noise machine.
They will not counter back in a loud enough manner when the republicans will claim that Democrats are tax and spend liberals - We shall not forget that the republicans were the ones that were completely drunk with our treasury, more so than any congress in history.
If the Democrats do counter these claims, it will only be some short clip on some talk show that will only be played once and quickly forgotten. That's just what they do.
Then Republicans will pressure them into "bipartisanship" and they will soon become the Republicans bitches.
If that sounds offensive, guess what? The Republicans love it. The moral party? I didn't know a hundred scandals, pedophoelia, and prostitution rings was moral.
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Posted by: pangolin on Aug 26, 2008 1:21 PM
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After Al Gore AND John Kerry rolled over and played dead in the face of republican election tampering you have to wonder.
Now Obama appears to be playing the sick dog to McCain which is just laughable considering the disaster the GOP has foisted on the nation.
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Posted by: billionairesonus on Aug 27, 2008 5:07 PM
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I think we should appeal to an unlimited array of deities, entities, and individuals for land, resources, and nature that are in no way loyal to the idol bashing regime of the bible/torah or any of the neck grabbing regimes that use this nation as a bastion for their subjugative agendas.
Hopefully some of that land and nature is within the United States so we can tell these dudez who use their fingers as a weapon to go home. In our neck of the woods peoples whose egos are more important than human life don't get economic and politicool privledge, and people who let people use their fingers as a weapon but then got something to say about someones tongue, are creatures to not be appeased.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 20, 2008 12:52 AM
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The same hedge fund managers that are bankrolling Obama and the Democratic Party?
Nothing to see here, move along ...
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 20, 2008 2:50 AM
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Yesterday for my latest piece -- expansion plans of county car dealerships -- I interviewed management personnel for Honda, Nissan and Toyota. In all three instances, I was told that existing technology can free us from dependency on Middle East oil -- if American drivers will make the necessary behavioral changes.
1. We should return to the 55-mph national limit ordered by Nixon three decades ago.
2. No lead-foot gas pedaling in town
3. Tires must be properly inflated
4. Vehicles must have regular tune-ups.
5. Do not buy eight-cylinder cars, new or used.
6, Convert autos and trucks to natural gas (ala T. Boon Pickens)
7. Recycle used motor oil
8. Tap our national emergency petroleum reserve.
By combining those actions with aggressive implementation of solar and wind technology, the dealership people I talked with believe in less than 10 years, WITHOUT new offshore drilling, America could tell the blood-sucking Arabs to go to hell!
There is one caveat. New national leadership -- i.e. an Obama administration -- will be required.
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» The 55-mph limit was ordered by Nixon in 1973 after the Arabs cut off crude deliveries.
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Posted by: Derek Maddox on Aug 20, 2008 3:16 AM
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And that's just in New York. God knows what kind of under the table deals have been done in other states.
The Republicans would have plenty to talk about during a 24/7 filibuster, and it would be broadcast worldwide by CSPAN, Fox News, and CNN. Are you really sure you want to force that issue?
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» So too are Oil, Coal, Gas, and Nuclear corps. Wind corps don't do wind.
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Posted by: CatDad on Aug 20, 2008 3:17 AM
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I am horrified....but completely unsurprised, that the ruling elites and their corporate media enablers have completely reframed the energy debate in terms of drilling our way out our current energy crisis...specifically by touting the opening up of ANWAR as the solution....The oil industry can check off yet another item on their "wish list" that has been handed to them on a silver platter by corrupt/crony politicians who don't give a damn about the well being of the nation.
I was also horrified....but completely unsurprised by the Democrats capitulation on the ANWAR issue...with Pelosi and Obama making 180 degree turns on this issue....It's the Democrats doing what they do best...taking the support of progressives and caving-in to the Right Wing at the blinking of the eye
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Posted by: bryangalt on Aug 20, 2008 3:21 AM
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Is it any wonder that Americans are also at an all time high?
That is the only explanation I can come up with to explain why we aren't marching on Washington to demand that those SOB's that represent us with thier lip-service are giving away money to the Super SOB oil companies.
How can a member of congress look at himself/herself in the morning knowing that the billions in subsidies that they gave to a company that just profited billions more from the Americans could have been used to help homeless people, give health care to the poor and middle class, pay for school upgrades, road repairs, research into clean technologies, etc.
Instead, they are making sure we, as a nation, go into such a steep decline that the only destination we will be able to arrive at will resemble the sight of a train wreck.
I hope you'all remember your bongs for this crash. It will be the last time you can afford to fill 'er up.
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Aug 20, 2008 4:41 AM
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If Democrats weren't totally inept we would have a completely different world today.
I don't get it, it's almost as if they keep TRYING to lose -- maybe they are.
On nearly every issue, most Americans favor the Democratic stance, and yet Democrats keep capitulating on them all. Republicans latch onto one or two relatively insignificant issues and hold on like a pit bull.
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» It does make you wonder....
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Aug 20, 2008 5:11 AM
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» Billions of Relentless Appetites For More
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 20, 2008 5:45 AM
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Pickens Con is that natural gas will solve our problem- His corp is into Natural Gas. Even if we go to Wind & Solar who will control the distribution and Cost to consumers?
The reason Wind & solar are having such a difficult time is that every Home owner, business owner could theoretically have their own Windmills & panels and Not need the Middle man- in fact be able to sell excess back - make them the consumer.Or more likely, Obsolete.
Until we demand all Land & off Shore Leases are Revoked, repo the equipment that has been bought and paid for By US- without ever being paid back from those loans/Tax breaks (except with higher energy costs) and ending the Corp Middle man skimming and Poaching We will never be Indeependent from their Highway robbery and political influence (Iraq, Iran, Georgia).
Let's all face the fact that 9/11 was a direct cause of the Relationship between Oil Incs who fly our flag & their Foreign Oil Royal sponsors.The Saudi Nationals et al who targeted theFinancial backers, the military might and the foreign policies which have encourage these Corps to stay in the M.E. for decades.Most Americans Figured Out we need to get out of their 30 yrs ago!
As for Jobs - we not only woud increase our manufacturing by building windmills & solar panels for home & biz, but we would eliminate the over head cost of energy to business' therefore allowing them more money to hire staff!Not to mention the Oil & auto industries blockage of mass transit- Reason MI is Motown..because we have not been ALLOWED to have a Real mass transit system-Rail.Why is MI unemeployement higher than most others- because we can't afford the gas to drive an hour to where Jobs are!
My husband has to SHELLs Out $90.00 2xs a week to work as a carpenter, he must have a truck and he must travel regardless where we live.
So now after 28 yrs being a union carpenter his 660(Net) a week - 180 = 480/40= $12.00/hour ...Union Wage??
The Energy corps have not only put US in harms way (from wrath from others because of their Business stratedgy), they have undercut the Free markets ability to compete and Hire, but have also lowered the standard of living for all of US.They have placed their profit margins above National Interest and security (foreign and economic)..To me I can think of no better definition of TREASON than what they have Done to US over the last several decades.
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» RE: Nat.Resources OWNED by US= Nat Security,Econ & Jobs
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Posted by: PaulC on Aug 20, 2008 7:17 AM
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There is zero downside to renewables. You could not hand Obama a better situation if you tried to make one up:
- skyrocketing prices
- obscene oil profits
- a public crying out for real solutions
- a field-tested technology THAT USES NO FUEL yet can generate many times over the energy we need
- an opponent so wedded to the old ways that should the issue be pushed hard McCain would look older and more like Bush/Cheney with every rationalization he was forced to mutter, while Obama would look younger and smarter and more relevant. It would be a lose-lose-lose situation for McCain and win-win-win for Obama.
Obama is fumbling badly. He desperately needs to dump his incredibly inept top political advisors and get good people in there who give a shit about America and this earth. And Obama has to step up to the plate and stop cowering in fear of the Rethugs and their right wing neo-Nazi hate machine.
How about showing passion and energy, Obama? And stop selling us out with your compromise-before-the-issue-is-debated lunacy.
peace,
Paul
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» You're going desperate. Why settle for fake shit everytime when you can stand for something real?
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 20, 2008 7:51 AM
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RD
Whats hiding on your PC?
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 20, 2008 8:17 AM
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Nixon came across as a buffoon. He had facial ticks and odd mannerisms aplenty. Nobody could watch the SOB for more than a few minutes and not feel for their wallet. They say he was cunning but he came across psychotic.
Ronald Reagan was the dumbest man that I have ever seen run for any office anywhere. The mythology they have built around him is all wrong. He didn't even look like he meant it when he was repeating the most reactionary of slogans. I think he started out stupid and got "sick" a decade before he ran for office. He also had bad hair and a silly expression that would get him beat up in a nursing home.
Bush was impossibly bourgeois. He was the anti-FDR or the anti-Kennedy - they were supposed to be the "approachable" bourgeois. Bush's made up accent always sounded like he was about to say, "bring the car around". And, he had been the head of the secret police.
The younger Bush - what can you say? Who can really, honestly say that they didn't know what was coming.
And now we have McCain. He is dumber than dumb, faker than fake, absolutely an amateur at everything he does, crazier than a loop, obviously a liar, an opportunist, and freakin' dangerous.
And the dumb ass twit has a real chance at winning the presidential elections in America just like the other idiots, on a program of "I'm a gonna screw you"... without even the pretense of "fooling the electorate."
The wankers listed above couldn't get elected to city alderman. Even if all politics have become irrelevant in U.S. elections and they promote "personalities" alone, these characters are dead losers. There is no voting scam broad enough, no media conspiracy deep enough, no right-wing core in America reactionary enough, and thus, no possible explanation for these events.
And then I got to thinking, who does this reflect on?
The Democratic Party has got to be the worst political party in human history.
But then I got to thinking, it is not possible to have a political party that bad.
The Democratic Party plays an indispensable role in society's political machinery. This doesn't mean it has any power, in terms of controlling the state or setting policy. It means that without the existence of the Dem Party, the US could no longer maintain the pretense that it's a "democracy." If the Dem Party disintegrated, the US would be revealed for what it really is -- a one-party state ruled by a narrow alliance of business interests.
In terms of defending the general population against the depredations of this business consortium, the Dem Party gave up the ghost in the mid-1960's. Their threadbare act as the "Party of the People" serves not to defend the well-being of the population, but merely to persuade ordinary citizens that within the official political system's framework, there's at least some faint hope for eventual progressive change. Their focus is not so much being on our side, as convincing us that they're on our side -- without the slightest serious examination of what that might entail.
The party's true function is thus largely theatrical. It doesn't exist to fight for change, but only to pose as a force which one fine distant day might possibly bestir itself to fight for change. Thus the whole magic of the Dem Party -- the essential service it renders to the US power structure -- lies not in what it does, but in its mere existence: by simply existing, and doing nothing, it pretends to be something it's not; and this is enough to relieve despair & to let the system portray itself as a "democracy."
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» I like Ike
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 20, 2008 8:17 AM
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The reason why the Obama and the Democrats will not grab the opportunity to take this winning position on energy is twofold: donations and cowardice.
While George Bush was flagrantly and blatantly violating the constitution, the rule of law, and international law the Democrats either hid behind the excuse that they couldn’t stop a filibuster or they agreed with his policies.
When the President lies to the American people and to Congress to prosecute an illegal war, he deserves to be impeached yet the Democrats and in particular, Nancy Pelosi, refused to even consider charging the President with “high crimes and misdemeanors”. As well, when the President perverted the use of signing statements to hijack the legislative functions of government, the Democratic Congress stood idly by while the President purloined their powers. In addition, when it became patently obvious that the Bush administration was using “enhanced interrogative techniques” or torture at prisons around the globe, they turned a blind eye. Why would anyone expect the Democrats to act any differently when the issue is whether or not to invest in renewable energy and desist from solving the energy crisis with more fossil fuels?
Another reason why Obama and the Democrats will continue to advocate offshore drilling despite their loudly proclaimed reservations and to fail to shift the focus to renewables is because oil money is pouring into their coffers and oil lobbyists staffing their campaign. It is true that Obama has promised “I don’t take money from oil companies” but he is being less than candid. No candidate is allowed to accept donations from any corporations since passage of the Tillman Act of 1907. Instead, he is using the same tactic as the Republicans by accepting individual donations from oil company executives including a total of $30,850 from ExxonMobil and $9,900 from Shell. Obama has also reassured the voters that he does not accept money from PACs and lobbyists but he did accept $30,850 from ExxonMobil employees. As well, oil industry executives are collecting money from individuals and donating it to Obama’s campaign. George Kaiser, chairman of Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. has bundled over $50,000 for the Obama campaign.
Obviously, Obama’s vision is blurred somewhat from his acceptance of money from the oil industry. His vision is further impaired by using former lobbyists as advisors in his campaign. Despite the overwhelming support from the American people for a shift to renewable energy, Obama and the Democrats are advocating an energy policy that would not be anathema to the oil industry.
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 20, 2008 8:19 AM
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1. "We Surrender."
2. "Please don't yell at us, we're frightened."
3. "Would you like us to roll over on our backs now, or do you prefer that we remain on our knees?"
4. "Let's bomb Iran."
5. "We stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the President."
6. "We stand for rule by a kinder, gentler military-industrial complex."
7. "What's good for MobilExxon, Citicorp, and Northrop-Grumman is good for America."
8. "If you like venal cowards and betrayal, vote for us!"
9. "Please don't ask us to stand up to the Republicans. They get very angry if anyone opposes them -- and it's really scary!!
Whonnnnnngk.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 20, 2008 8:24 AM
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Posted by: MTguy on Aug 20, 2008 9:25 AM
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2. Lobby to keep your subsidies in place.
The major oil companies have no conscience, do they? If McCain is in support of their subsidies, that's a drum the Dems need to be beating loudly and often.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Aug 20, 2008 10:07 AM
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No?
Check out his behavior on FISA and the way he rammed through the Mukasey nomination. (Dems had enough votes to sustain a filibuster; Mukasey was confirmed by a vote of 53 - 40. Reid broke his word and called for a voice vote to end debate when Dodd - who had promised to lead a filibuster - was out of town.)
Now we have an AG who will not prosecute criminality by the most corrupt administration in a century and the fourth amendment is a dead letter - thanks to Harry Reid.
With friends like that, I don't need enemies.
There is more - but that is enough.
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Posted by: Knot_Rich on Aug 20, 2008 10:32 AM
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Let's see here, it looks like that sector is doing quite well, and I'm sure it will only get better. Why should the taxpayers subsidize them when it's a wet dream for investors? Don't get me wrong, we shouldn't be subsidizing the oil companies either, nor the production of ethanol, taxpayer subsidies are just a pre-payment on your gallon of gas. Some people just like to give away government "our" money like there's no tomorrow, as long as it's for something they personally support, without stopping to think, there is no government money. The government conficates money from the people, shuffles it thru a buracracy loaded with cronies earning good pay, benefits and paid holidays people working in the public sector will never see, and then re-distributes what's left. Just maybe, instead of confiscating our money and giving it away in subsidies, they taxed us less leaving us with more of our earnings, we could afford to buy these solar panels and water heaters, maybe some could afford to build windmills, and then, now try and follow me kiddies, the increased demand would inspire more alternative energy businesses and innovation. Did the government have to subsidize plasma TV's or ipods or video games? Fraid not, demand creates a market, and as long as there's profit to be made the market will be met, all by itself, without the government handing it my money. Get real folks, stop taking my freakin money away to give away to subsidize someone else's business and make them rich while I'm trying to figure out how to pay for the groceries. Y'all whine about the declining standard of living, well, do you actually think increasing the money the government takes from working people to give away to business will improve that?
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Aug 20, 2008 10:51 AM
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It's true the Democrats are blowing it big time on several fronts and that includes Obama for not being forceful enough as well as Congress and the Senate playing into this drill her drill now scam..
There are two separate issues one is a long term energy solution and alternate and renewable energy sources is an essential part of that...
The other is to address the doubling of the cost of Oil and Gas in this past yer...
The solution for this is Regulation of the Commodities and Futures Markets...and closing the loopholes that have allowed what is the biggest swindle in world history which this is..
Oil should be selling for from $55-58 per barrel...
Almost all of this differential in price of Oil is due to the criminal insider trading on the Oil and Gas market and it's manipulation and the Republicans caused this to occur..especially Phil Gramm..John McCain's economic guru..and former chief economic adviser who is still hanging around and advising his campaign..
Why won't Obama and the Democrats explain this to the American people...
There is no real current shortage in Oil supply none what so ever..and we've had the had of OPEC and even the VP of Exxon say that this increase is not due to supply and demand..!
Sadly Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are top contributors to Obama and also his advisers past presidents of Goldman Sachs..
There is no doubt that with this being such a close race the Democrats had better do something because any Democrat should be ahead of McCain well into the double digits..and Obama is not..
Also a close election will be stolen by the Republicans thanks to Diebold and ESS..!
14 states still have no way to verify their electronic voting...!
14 States..!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 20, 2008 11:37 AM
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The truth is much like in poker you need to call their hand. Let the Repugnicans show the American people exactly how bought and paid for they are as they explain why hard working Americans need to continue to pay thru the nose for these crooks to continue to fleece this country blind!
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Posted by: dockboy on Aug 20, 2008 1:11 PM
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Seeking renewable energy sources is a great long-term strategy, but we need to do something about getting the price of gas down, now. My guess is half of you morons don't even own a car, so don't feel the pinch of high prices. I make a decent living, so the prices don't affect me as much as it does lower-income earners who have the responsibility of families and have to own cars.
These people who are feeling the pinch make up a sizable chunk of our population, so therefore are putting the pressure on Congress to do something about the high price of gas. Do they want long-term renewable energy? Of course! But they also need short-term relief.
Oh, and one more thing. Obama is flat wrong when he claims that inflating our tires will save more oil than all the drilling that can be done. For starters, very, very few people don't keep their tires inflated properly. Perhaps he's confused and thinks we're all driving around with flat tires.
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Posted by: EagleX on Aug 20, 2008 1:23 PM
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1. increased domestic oil production would generate jobs. A national impact study by Wharton Econometrics estimates total employment at full production from drilling ANWR alone to be 735,000 jobs!
2. Increased domestic oil production would reduce the Federal deficit. Federal revenues would be enhanced by hundreds of billions of dollars from bonus bids, lease rentals, royalties and taxes.
3. Increased government revenue from oil industry contributions could be used to expedite the long term development of alternative energy sources.
4. Increased government revenue from oil industry contributions would strengthen the dollar and lower energy costs due to a reduction in the federal and trade deficits.
5. Contrary to nonsensical and politically self serving rhetoric from Leftist politicians (Obama, Clinton, et al), increasing oil supply does indeed reduce oil costs, albeit with somewhat inelastic swings in the short term.
6. The speculative premium on oil prices would evaporate overnight as a result of a commitment from the federal government to promote development of massive domestic oil reserves.
7. More importantly, the domestic oil drilling, irrespective of whether it raises or lowers prices, will divert hundreds of billions of dollars from the coffers of terrorist supporting mullahs in the Middle East and Marxist in South America to Americans.
8. Increased domestic oil production would cut our trade deficit in half – exporting surplus oil to Japan and China would eliminate the deficit
9. Increased domestic oil production would ease national security concerns and reduce the need for costly military operations in unstable areas of the globe. Also, American energy independence would release over 10 million barrels of oil daily for consumption to nations like China and Japan, further reducing geopolitical tensions created by a stressed oil market.
10. Thankfully, 74% of Americans don’t share the fringe Left's cynical and sarcastic view regarding Republican energy policy
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» Your Economics Don't Make Sense
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» Your Nitpicking misinterpretation of facts -- Don't Make Sense
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» Supply and demand is not the issue.
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» Typical Leftist to cite Supply and Demand as a "Non-issue" while citing obscure causal mechanisms...
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» Repub economics don't make sense. They're not supposed to. They make money, not sense.
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» RE: Oh, of course, the Republicans have done such a great job with jobs, let's believe what they say. .
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» RE: Oh, of course, the Republicans have done such a great job with jobs, let's believe what they say. .
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» We once had no government regulation
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» RE: Oh; when Big Business is small enough to be drowned in a bathtub, I'll be okay with. . .
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» Right Wing Mythologies Galore....
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» RE: ight Wing Mythologies Galore....
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» RE: ight Wing Mythologies Galore....
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» RE: ight Wing Mythologies Galore....Republicans would be nothing without big government
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» EagleX's entire argument is silly because we don't control the price of oil - OPEC does
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» RE: agleX's entire argument is silly because we don't control the price of oil - OPEC does
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» US known reserves are 2 percent of world reserves. n/m
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» I indeed saw your post - you are talking about oil shale strip mining, not oil drilling
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Aug 20, 2008 1:35 PM
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...If enacted, the tax credit could make electrified vehicles competitive overnight.
I disagree. Tax credits are not going to help now. First people don't have the up-front money to buy an electric and with ever lowering real incomes, tax credits only help the relatively well off. Too many people are in a bracket that leaves them with little benefit from a credit on next year's taxes.
Add to that the problem of trade in value for gas powered cars. As electrics begin to increase in value, so do the gas cars decline in value...leaving people with existing cars they can't get rid of.
Even now people with SUV's are finding their cars are worth less in trade than they still owe on them.
Gov. needs to do something different. Instead of a "credit" they need to provide an "instant rebate" at the dealer equal to the credit. Then the credits need to be given to dealers based on them taking gas vehicles back on trade. Some formula that calculates a credit that increases as the real value of the trade declines, such that there remains an incentive to take in gas guzzlers on trade.
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Posted by: Hans B on Aug 20, 2008 1:51 PM
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Switching from gasoline to electricity is good for the environment only if that electricity is not coal-powered. The most urgent thing the US has to do is wean itself off coal.
Ethanol is a disaster for the environment. It's wrong to simply calculate how much oil goes into ethanol production, as this author does. You also and especially have to take into account how many forests are razed to produce ethanol, or food to replace corn that is now used for ethanol production. At present ethanol produces much more CO2 than gasoline.
In both cases, abandoning oil can lead to even higher CO2 emissions. So the first thing to do is develop renewables, so that electricity will be "clean".
Finally, here's the argument I wish Obama would be making. "Fuel prices will not be impacted by drilling, because there just is not enough oil in US continental waters to make a difference. Oil prices will, however, go down when markets realize that the danger of needless new wars in the Middle East is averted because of my election."
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 20, 2008 3:33 PM
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We wee warned over 20 years ago to get our environmental act together or face serious impacts. We're facing them now. I don't think we have another 20 to wait.
The signs are all around us. Not just the 'No Fishing', 'No Boating', 'No Swiming' ones we've been seeing in grwoing numbers but the natural signs. Trees die-ing from the top down,mutant frogs, robins in Alaska,honeybees too.
The Dems and the Repubs get their money from the same sources and it's not an environmental well. If you want the planet saved,you better look outside the System.
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Posted by: RocRizzo on Aug 20, 2008 7:41 PM
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To prove my point, we need to look no further than this past summer, when gas was over $4.00/gal. Now it is 20 or more cents less, because people stopped driving, and using gasoline. We all conserved fuel, and didn't even realize it. I really would like this brought more to the forefront, because it is the quickest, and best way for us to bring the cost of energy, whatever form of it we may use.
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Posted by: Collielady on Aug 20, 2008 10:47 PM
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It seems that since the Dems took Congress back they've invented excuses to lean to the right, rather than get after the Republicans. When the Dems roll over for the Republicans because there aren't enough votes, or because the president would just veto anyway, I still don't understand why they don't vote according to their beliefs. Why do they vote WITH the Republicans? If it were me, I'd want the record to show that I opposed. It makes no sense, so they must be trying to impress corporate America more than The People.
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Posted by: Collielady on Aug 20, 2008 11:13 PM
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It seems that since the Dems took Congress back they've invented excuses to lean to the right, rather than get after the Republicans. When the Dems roll over for the Republicans because there aren't enough votes, or because the president would just veto anyway, I still don't understand why they don't vote according to their beliefs. Why do they vote WITH the Republicans? If it were me, I'd want the record to show that I opposed. It makes no sense, so they must be trying to impress corporate America more than The People.
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Posted by: batteredup on Aug 21, 2008 2:58 AM
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Second, a better explanation for why we (speaking for the boomers who protested a generation ago) don't march on Washington, is that most of us are tied to two jobs for survival and don't have the time, energy or money to take it to the streets.
The current generation has been hypnotized by the current opiate of the masses - trinkets like Playstation - and duped by the dumbing-down of this country that began around the time goons like Hulk Hogan (no hero, here Colonel!) made neanderthal behavior trendy. Once stupidity became cool the door was open for human sludge like geo bushman to rise to the top of the cesspool.
Getting stoned is a way to avoid facing the reality that most of us are slaves to the corporate masters, aka the "military-industrial complex President Eisenhower (the last Republican with a semblance of a soul?) warned us about in 1961.
Congress is full of whores with no conscience. It's how they got there. It's easy to ignore the problems the working class faces when you're free time is spent at Martha's Vineyard, Kennebunckport or sailing the yacht -- all miles from the cold, hard reality most of us face on a daily basis and the aristocracy who rule this plutocracy never see.
** Key Survival Tip ** You can fill your bong anytime if you remember to save the seeds!
As for real solutions, the best way I can see to derail this train wreck before we all go down in flames is to, first, outlaw lobbyist activities and make contact with political office holders a federal crime for both parties - treat it like it is - treason.
Second, restrict financing for political office to a limited amount for each candidate that comes from tax sources only, making private contributions a crime. A series of pre-election runoffs would likely be needed to whittle the field at along the way to election day.
Third, providing for publicly-funded TV stations like C-Span at local, state and national levels to serve as the major forums for debate and discussion of issues.
Fourth, dissolve all political parties.
And finally, demand schools educate kids on the fact that a successful democracy happens only when its' citizens treat it as a particapatory form of government. The necessity of becoming proactive in our society is critical to reduce the onset of tyranny and corruption we're currently mired in.
Prosecuting the present batch of crooks in charge would set a nice example ... but the truth is it's all a pipe-dream that won't happen in my lifetime.
So I'll just refill my bowl, strike a match and fire up the only pipe-dream I'll ever realize. Through the smoke I'll enjoy a clear conscience and peace of mind those heartless cocksuckers can never buy.
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Posted by: EagleX on Aug 21, 2008 10:03 AM
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This previous source is provided as a service to the myriad confused, koolaid drinking Leftists on this blog who are ignorant of the vast US fossil fuel reserves.
In addition, we have over 86 billion barrels off shore and like the Green River Formation currently off limits to American workers and companies.
In addition, there is over 10 billion barrels in the Bakken Formation.
In addition, ANWR contains over 10 billion barrels.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you are independent thinking, objective, rational, and care about your nation's future read the article and research the facts yourself.
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Andrews, J. Thomas -- Huffington Post article.
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Posted by: AlteredStates on Aug 21, 2008 5:05 PM
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Ford took over for Nixon, then there was Reagan and Bush I. That should have been enough to sink any country. But Clinton pulled us from the financial abyss, only to have Bush II drag us back into it.
We don't have a two party political system in America anymore. We have the ruling class and then there are the voting public. Yes the voting public, that blind, ignorant, stupid, lobotomized blob of protoplasm that goes through their knee-jerk motion called "voting" every 2 to 4 years. These people don't think, they react to what is presented to them on TV by the spin misters.
Let's face it. We, as a nation are lost. All we have is a mighty military that can crush anything in its' path, but can't control what they have conquered...which is ALWAYS the way with invading armies. Just look at history. Or I should say, the Pentagon should look at history. But alas, they can't. Because, arrogance precludes self-awareness.
So the bottom line is this. Tighten your seat belts, bend over, and kiss your ass goodbye.
See ya.
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Posted by: jreal on Aug 21, 2008 6:59 PM
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I will not at all be surprised if Democrats loose the election.
They actually have a plethora of bullet proof issues (or angles) that they haven't even brought up yet and probably won't (because they're to dumb to see them).
And if they do win. They will keep the Republicans laughing in their private circles when the Democrats start bending to the Republicans corrupt policies (like drilling in Alaska which is promoted only by the oil industry... and then their are other examples like say - telecom imunity).
The Democrats will bend to show "bipartisanship" and they will bend because they will fall pressure to the "rights" noise machine.
They will not counter back in a loud enough manner when the republicans will claim that Democrats are tax and spend liberals - We shall not forget that the republicans were the ones that were completely drunk with our treasury, more so than any congress in history.
If the Democrats do counter these claims, it will only be some short clip on some talk show that will only be played once and quickly forgotten. That's just what they do.
Then Republicans will pressure them into "bipartisanship" and they will soon become the Republicans bitches.
If that sounds offensive, guess what? The Republicans love it. The moral party? I didn't know a hundred scandals, pedophoelia, and prostitution rings was moral.
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Posted by: pangolin on Aug 26, 2008 1:21 PM
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After Al Gore AND John Kerry rolled over and played dead in the face of republican election tampering you have to wonder.
Now Obama appears to be playing the sick dog to McCain which is just laughable considering the disaster the GOP has foisted on the nation.
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Posted by: billionairesonus on Aug 27, 2008 5:07 PM
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I think we should appeal to an unlimited array of deities, entities, and individuals for land, resources, and nature that are in no way loyal to the idol bashing regime of the bible/torah or any of the neck grabbing regimes that use this nation as a bastion for their subjugative agendas.
Hopefully some of that land and nature is within the United States so we can tell these dudez who use their fingers as a weapon to go home. In our neck of the woods peoples whose egos are more important than human life don't get economic and politicool privledge, and people who let people use their fingers as a weapon but then got something to say about someones tongue, are creatures to not be appeased.
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