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Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

By Frances Cerra Whittelsey, The Nation. Posted August 6, 2008.


Reducing our meat consumption may not be popular, but we need to view our love affair with burgers in the same frame as gas-guzzling SUVs.
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Frances Cerra Whittelsey blogs at TheEqualizerFCW.blogspot.com.

Only three years ago there was such a surplus of corn in the Midwest that it became a joke. Someone pasted the image of a skier into a photo of a mountainous pile of the stuff, labeled it " Ski Iowa," and e-mailed it around the Internet to hand everyone a laugh -- except the farmers, of course. At the time, turning all that unwanted corn into ethanol to replace gasoline seemed like a great idea.

But that was then. Today, corn ethanol has become the bad-boy alternative to petroleum, criticized for driving up food prices, destroying rain forests and worsening climate change. For good measure, the criticism is usually leveled at biofuels in general, even though the other category of biofuel -- biodiesel -- is not made from corn and has a much more beneficial climate-improving profile. For some environmentalists, the only acceptable green energy options are wind, solar and geothermal power. Former Vice President Al Gore recently challenged America to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels in ten years by shifting electricity production to those three ideal options. Along the way, he suggested assisting auto makers to build plug-in cars and phase out gasoline and diesel-powered vehicles.

However, even if this utopia can be achieved in a decade -- and I fervently hope that it can -- Americans are stuck with cars they wish they could plug in but can't. America and the world will need liquid fuels for a long time to come, and biofuels, including some corn ethanol made at the most efficient distilleries, offer a far better option than continued use of fossil fuels.

Biofuel critics, including the Grocery Manufacturers of America, often frame the problem as a choice between feeding people and feeding SUVs; they blame rising food prices on diverting food crops to fuel production. The trade group has mounted a public relations campaign to try to roll back high Congressional mandates for increasing use of ethanol. While concern about rising food prices is certainly justified, for grocery manufacturers the argument is also self-serving. Food manufacturers make their profits not on raw vegetables or commodities like cooking oil but on processed foods, and they want to direct public anger about food price inflation away from themselves. Packaging, processing, advertising, transportation and profits account for most of the price of processed foods, and the surging price of oil figures heavily in that mix. The cost of corn, even as the major ingredient in a food like corn flakes, accounts for a tiny fraction of the final price.

But it's false to frame the biofuel debate as a choice between people or SUVs. While there are daily references in the media to the diversion of corn to fuel-making, there's hardly ever a mention of the fact that feeding our livestock uses 50 percent to 60 percent of the American corn crop. Here are the calculations used by the US Agriculture Department's Economic Research Service for how much corn animals must be fed to produce a pound of meat for retail sale: seven pounds of corn equals one pound of beef; six-and-a-half pounds of corn equals one pound of pork;  two and six-tenths pounds of corn equals one pound of chicken. (Meat industry estimates are lower but generally refer to the amount of corn necessary to make the live animal gain a pound, not the amount necessary to get a pound of food in the meat case.) Corn is a dietary staple in parts of the world like Mexico, but not here in the United States, where the answer to "What's for dinner?" is supposed to be "beef." Talk about feeding SUVs or people is deceptive, since it masks the intermediate step of feeding animals a whole lot of corn to get one steak dinner.

Even more hidden from public view is the role of animal feeding in global warming. The shocking fact is that production of beef, pork and poultry is a bigger part of the climate problem than the cars and trucks we drive, indeed of the whole transportation sector. In our fantasies -- and ads -- we see contented cows eating grass, but the fact is all but a lucky few spend much of their lives in dismal feedlots where grass does not grow, getting fat on corn and other unspeakable byproducts. Internationally, two-thirds of the earth's available agricultural land is used to raise animals and their feed crops, primarily corn and soybeans, and the trend is accelerating as people in Latin America and Asia increasingly demand an Americanized diet rich in meat. The need to grow more animal feed and more animals has been devastating rainforests and areas like Brazil's Cerrado region, the world's most biologically diverse savannah, long before the demand for biofuels began escalating.

It's What We Eat

Vegetarians have long understood this issue, but asking the American public to eat less meat is still a radical idea, politically untouchable. Yet the meat industry is a giant source of greenhouse gases, of which carbon dioxide is only one, and not the most dangerous one. All those steer feedlots and factory buildings crammed with pigs and chickens produce immense amounts of animal wastes that give off methane. On an equivalent basis to carbon dioxide, methane is twenty-three times more potent as a greenhouse gas. When you add in the production of fertilizer and other aspects of animal farming (including land use changes, feed transport, etc.) livestock farming is responsible for nearly one-fifth of human-induced greenhouse gas emissions, more than the transportation sector, according to a 2006 report by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations.


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Frances Cerra Whittelsey is an author, award-winning journalist and freelance writer who teaches journalism part-time at Hofstra University. Read more of her work at TheEqualizerFCW.blogspot.com.

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Food choices
Posted by: meadowsage on Aug 6, 2008 3:27 AM   
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I agree that meat from CAFO's (Confined Animal Feeding Operations) is terrible for the environment and people. There are locally, naturally raised animals that are *not* fed grains and are a healthy part of a small family farm ecosystem.

One of the biggest indicators of how your food choices effect the environment is how far it had to travel and how much it was processed before it got to you. Buying your food locally from people who raise food naturally, plant or animal, is going to do more good than buying either one from far away.

See Michael Pollan's book Omnivore's Dilemma for more information: http://www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php

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» Here, here! Posted by: SufiLizard
» RE: Here, here! Posted by: swells
» RE: Here, here! Posted by: jeff303
» RE: Here, here! Posted by: john mont
» RE: not only that, but... Posted by: setterwoman
» RE: Food choices Posted by: edgar1
One way to cure a craving for hamburgers...
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 6, 2008 3:43 AM   
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See the movie, "Fast Food Nation."

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» RE: strange... Posted by: notthatsimple
transportmadness
Posted by: richholland on Aug 6, 2008 3:48 AM   
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it is not the meattransport;
in europe the shrimps from holland are cleaned and pealed in Marocco at least 1000 mile away

the dutch hogs are sent alive 1000 miles into Italy and return as real Parma Bacon.

but from Africa we receive the same beans Holland cultivates also, but a month later.

This is freedom and business
To stop the destructing profit making as religion would solve much.

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» RE: transportmadness Posted by: edgar1
» RE: transportmadness Posted by: richholland
Meat eating Environmentalists are....
Posted by: rickyvern on Aug 6, 2008 4:43 AM   
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the biggest hypocrites. A vegan could drive a hummer while spraying aerosol cans and still be doing more to help the planet. Don't just take my word for it, do the research yourself

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» RE: Meat eating Environmentalists are.... Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» Tax bad stuff Posted by: edgar1
here we go again...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 6, 2008 5:03 AM   
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vegan v. vegetarian, vegetarian v. meat eating folks, meat eating folks v. biofuels and everyone else in between...

here's the deal kids... if we all stopped eating at fast food joints, especially the mcd's, bk, kfc etc, we'd all be better off and the world would not need nearly as many feedlots... make it at home if you want... over 50% of the world meat production is for fast food, not home cooked... pack a lunch instead, stock the freezer with home made food ready to be reheated on your day off and you won't need to go to bk to feed the kids supper...

stay out of the isles in the grocery store... shop along the walls where all the real food is... do you really need that bag of cheetos???

additionally, feed corn is not human food corn... 2 totally different things... you do not want to dive into an ear of feed corn!!!

back to coffee...

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» RE: here we go again... Posted by: Allstar Cookie
» RE: here we go again... Posted by: mtnprivy
» RE: here we go again... Posted by: richholland
» RE: here we go again... Posted by: YogiBear
» a corn field at 70 mph Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: a corn field at 70 mph Posted by: john mont
» RE: here we go again... Posted by: Ethan D
» Good point... Posted by: mjabele
» RE: here we go again... Posted by: YogiBear
Animals are necessary to agriculture
Posted by: mtnprivy on Aug 6, 2008 5:36 AM   
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low petroleum agriculture cannot operate without poop. If we hope to feed ourselves without eating oil, then we need to have lots of manure. Everything that has been said about feedlots is true, but that doesn't mean that our agriculture of the future can operate without animals.
In the low petrol agriculture of the future, I hope that we can begin to see more farmers pulling equipment with oxen, and that overall, many of the people who have moved to the city can return to the farms. That would also help solve the obesity problem among other things.
This idea that some high tech twist will allow us to continue our bad consumption habits has gotta go. We are gonna need to turn ourselves around altogether. If we don't we're all going off of the same cliff together.

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For Life-long Meet Eaters - Consider Your Health
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 6, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Many people might be be reluctant to abandon their medium-rare, barbecued steal or pork chop because of the environmental and food-supply ramifications. For those people there is another reason, your own health.

There is nothing like sitting down to 16 ounces of a well-cooked tenderloin steal and baked potatoes with sour cream. There is also nothing like being taken in an ambulence to the nearest coronary unit with a heart attack. Hyperbole yes but nevertheless, steak contains highly satuarated fats, the type that loves to cling to your arteries. As well, you only need two ounces to meet your protein requirements.

There are other compelling reasons to avoid meet. Factory farming is now the standard system for producing meat for the supermarket but in order to ensure that all those cows standing shoulder to shoulder with nowhere to go are healthy, it is necessary to feed them antibiotics which causes their antibodies to eventually become resistant to the invading pathogens. Using antibiotics in factory farm animals leads to greater resistance in humans to invading bacteria. Sometimes three or more drugs need to administered before the body responds. Seventy percent of drugs used for nontheraputic purposes are used to compensate for overcrowding and unsanitary conditions in factory farms. In hospitals, seventy percent of bacteria are resistant to at least one antibiotic.

Furthermore, gentically erngineered variety of natural growth hormones are injected into cows to boost their milk production by 10% to 20%. Monsanto produces a product called POSILA that is a recombinant bovine growthy hormone which promotes the growth of IGF-1, a cancer-promoting agent. Breats, colon, and prostrate cancer have been linked to growth hormones.

If eating large quantities of meat is to important to your lifestyle to sacrifice for some abstract, remote, invisible cause, at least treat your body better than factory farmers treat their animals.

http://www.stateofdarkness.com

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» not necessarily Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: not necessarily Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: not necessarily Posted by: zooeyhall
Vegetarianism is a strange, rare, risky diet that will never be mainstream
Posted by: Beck on Aug 6, 2008 6:08 AM   
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It is too risky for young women especially to give up a normal diet during pregnancy and nursing. No plants have B12 and humans need it. Plants do not contain much usuable iron, and humans need it. There is a reason that many adopt this diet and either fail immediately, or manage it for a year or two, even preaching fervently during that time, and then give it up. There also must be a reason that so many who call themselves vegetarians eat meat anyway, and I wonder how many here do likewise, and how many who call themselves vegans just happen to eat dairy or eggs a couple of times a month or so, and tell themselves it was a fluke and won't happen again.

These odd diets seem to have much in common with eating disorders. Anorexics and vegans especially claim more energy, more thinness, and more morality. Reading an article on anorexia (like the one in a recent Scientific American Mind) sounds eerily like reading an article on veganism. Eating disorders are becoming more common. It seems entirely possible that these other odd diets are eating disorders as well.

I recently attended an environmental conference in which native Americans spoke of educating their children to hunt and fish. Nothing sounded immoral or antienvironment to me. Neither do Amish communities seem to be harming the earth or displaying great lack of ethics. It simply isn't true that if we have to kill our own meat, we'll stop eating it. Cultures that kill their own meat have less vegetarians, not more.

Vegetarianism seems based on other false premises, the main one being that we can decide our biology. Paul Shepard calls vegetarianism "arrogance masquerading as ethics". The placing of ourselves above nature, distancing ourselves from it, seeing animals as lesser beings seems a vegetarian way of thinking, not an omnivore's way of thinking. We omnivores acknowledge our place among the scheme of things, and do not delude ourselves that we are separate from suffering and have managed to avoid imposing our share of it on the world. We also don't lump all agriculture in with some, telling ourselves that since the scenes in Fast Food Nation are awful, that all meat is badly raised. We know that if we made that false connection, we'd have to look at any large, sprayed field of crops and call it the same as a local, organic garden. Since one connection is obviously false, both are. We also recognize how strange it is to have compassion for one set of beings, and no compassion for another, and to be unable to recognize the death that is caused to plants and the organisms that are connected to them. I organic garden; believe me, we organic gardeners kill.

If I go for a hike and a bear kills and eats me, the bear commits no sin. Neither do I. I'll be an herbivore when I grow a few more stomachs, when my entire digestive system lengthens, when my teeth change (maybe I'll lose my top teeth entirely), when my eyes move to the sides of my head, and when I thrive on that diet. Attempting the diet is the easy part; like many, I've read these articles and tried it a number of times in a number of ways. I felt bad every time. Not energetic; depleted and enervated. Not thinner; I gained weight. I suppose, though, if it had worked for me, I'd join the minority that it also worked for and jump in here condemning those who eat meat. After all, it's a popular stance, isn't it? Seems to relieve people of the obligation of examining their entire lives and making a series of difficult changes; claim only one is needed, and it just happens to be the exact one you already did and like, and life remains pretty comfortable, while the earth continues to fry.

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» Bear with me Posted by: edgar1
» Very well said Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» EXCELLENT comment! Posted by: zooeyhall
» it is such a risky diet.... Posted by: rickyvern
» OK, Let's hit the gym pal! Posted by: BCcovers
Flipping Soyburgers
Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 6, 2008 6:50 AM   
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The other day I proposed on another thread that we raise the gasoline tax, regardless of whether the price of gas is up or down. (I know, I'll never be elected to anything). Now I propose a tax on meat. If we don't want people to drink and smoke, we have no problem in taxing those products. Meat's value in protein can be replaced in part if not in whole. Even if consumption dropped 50%, the effect in land use, methane etc in the atmosphere would be considerable. I've always been amused by farm state senators of both parties bloviating about climate change, cars and pollution, and then voting for massive subsidies for corn and soybeans so more cows could be killed for meat. Obama of course as an Illinois senator votes for this corporate welfare regularly. A nice big tax on nice big steaks, McDonalds, Burger King etc is good for health, good for the land, good for the air. Forget the debatable propositions about whether more CO2 has caused climate change; there's a lot more methane pumped out by cows than Co2 by people!

Tax it! Use the revenue for education programs and soil and water conservation. You can't legally smoke crack; is a Big Mac much better?
If you can't ban big mac, tax 'em!

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» RE: Flipping Soyburgers Posted by: donl51
» RE: Flipping Soyburgers Posted by: YogiBear
GRASS-FED meat VS CORN-FED meat
Posted by: jwverez on Aug 6, 2008 6:52 AM   
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Let's all go local and instead of settling for corn-fed meat ladden with too many unneeded antibiotics (the ones needed because animals were never meant to choke on corn feed manufactured with petroleum based fertilizers) and in many case rBGH (again manufactured from petroleum), let's turn to GRASS-FED meat and diary products. We need to get BIG GOVERNMENT to BUTT OUT and stop allowing Big Agri especially Big Corn to keep RIGGING the market. All this shoving of artificial corn shit down everyone's throats from the animals to us humans has got to STOP !

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AlterNet's contradictory obsessions: meat-eating & illegal immigrants
Posted by: war_on_tara on Aug 6, 2008 6:52 AM   
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How many illegal immigrants are vegetarians? The number must be infinitesimal!

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» follow the money trail Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: follow the money trail Posted by: war_on_tara
» "Moron" you moron Posted by: fanny666
» RE: "Moron" you moron Posted by: maestra
» Maroon you Moron. Posted by: o
» RE: "Moron" you moron Posted by: john mont
» RE: "Moron" you moron Posted by: YogiBear
» ????? Posted by: war_on_tara
Meat is the hardest food to digest, so
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 6, 2008 7:11 AM   
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when you stop eating it your body is free from that burden and you enjoy a surge of energy and a flowering of good health. I've been a vegetarian for about 40 years and I've never had any reason to regret it and I am very healthy at 76.

But the reason I decided to stop eating meat was to give the animals a break. They deserve to live free in their natural habitat, therefore I have no moral right to pay a butcher to slaughter them. On the other hand, cows and chickens are gentle creatures who give us milk and eggs in exchange for their safety from predators, so it is extremely treacherous to kill them for their meat. This is just my own opinion, of course, everyone is free to make their own moral choice.

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» No, it's not Posted by: dudelette
King Corn
Posted by: o on Aug 6, 2008 7:30 AM   
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King Corn is a great movie. two guys rent an acre of iowa and plant it in corn. they do everything our farmers do, and the results are amazing.

the unsustainable way the farms are being run makes me fear that another dust bowl is on the way.

the movie isnt preachy or sanctimonious they dont even explain it all to us morons; just follow the corn.

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Compassion Over Killing
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 6, 2008 7:43 AM   
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I understand there are conservative Christians who fear vegetarianism; which is kind of like being afraid of nonsmoking, nondrinking, or recycling.

Ronald J. Sider, in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, pointed out that 220 million Americans were eating enough food (largely because of the high consumption of grain fed to livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.

A pamphlet put out by Compassion Over Killing says raising animals for food is one of the leading causes of both pollution and resource depletion today. According to a recent United Nations report, "Livestock's Long Shadow," raising chickens, turkeys, pigs, and other animals for food causes more greenhouse gas emissions than all the cars, trucks and other forms of transportation combined. Researchers from the University of Chicago similarly concluded that a vegetarian diet is the most energy efficient, and the average American does more to reduce global warming emissions by not eating animal products than by switching to a hybrid car.

A 2007 journal published by the American Dietetic Association found "meat protein production required 26 times more water than vegetable protein on rain-fed lands." The journal further states that dieticians "can encourage eating that is both healthful and cnserving of soil, water, and energy by emphasizing plant soures of protein and foods that have been produced with fewer agricultural inputs."

"Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation."

---Union Nations' Food and Agriculture Assocation

A single dairy cow produces approximately 120 pounds of wet manure per day, which is equivalent to that of 20 to 40 humans.

70% of the grain grown and 50% of the water onsumed in the U.S. are used by the meat industry. (Audobon Society)

On average 990 liters of water are required to produce one liter of milk. (United Nations)

Over 260 million acres of U.S. forest have been cleared to grow grain for livestock. (Greenpeace)

Farmed animals produce an estimated 1.4 billion tons of fecal waste each year in the U.S. Much of this untreated waste pollutes the land and water.

The number of animals killed for food in the United States is 70 times larger than the number of animals killed in laboratories, 30 times larger than the number killed by hunters and trappers, and 500 times larger than the number of animals killed in animal pounds.

“If anyone wants to save the planet,” says Paul McCartney, “all they have to do is stop eating meat. That’s the single most important thing you could do. It’s staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty. Let’s do it! Linda was right. Going veggie is the single best idea for the new century.”

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new farm methods
Posted by: logic on Aug 6, 2008 7:45 AM   
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The methods and crops of old world farms in america need to recognize and revamp to fit this reality. Put back the buffalo herds on free range and you'll get superior meat for health and vitality. Put back the sense of community between local farmers and local towns. Work with the land using diverse creativity and individuality. Learn to harvest what nature gives before you chop and plow. Worms are a reasonable substitute for other meats and make into delicious hamburgers and meatloaf. Old thought patterns and habits are hard to break but our herd as a whole is running toward the brink of extinction

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» RE: new-OLD farm methods Posted by: blurider
Heidi Hunt
Posted by: hhunt on Aug 6, 2008 7:50 AM   
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I think you left out an option, which is eating grass-fed beef, chicken, pork, etc. Not all meat comes from CAFOs, where the animals are fed a diet of grain. The most nutritious meat comes from pasture-based farms, where the animals are in a natural setting, eating the plants & bugs they were designed to eat. The beef I eat is raised on Kansas prairie. Never sees a feedlot. Wonderful meat!!!!
So yes, we should all be eating less meat, but it is how it is raised that is the issue, not whether we should be eating it at all.

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» RE: good point BUT... Posted by: notthatsimple
Raising animals for food has always been bad for the environment
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 6, 2008 8:05 AM   
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Depleted water supplies,excess animal waste in the water systems, and mad disease. For all this hell we get 99cent burgers and $5 subs with extra meat. Oh yeah, there's that whole cancer thingy. One cattle operation,converted to food crops,could feed and water hundreds of thousands of HUMANS, and there are thousands of beef cattle operations. Pigs,chickens and turkeys are'nt much better.
SUV's were created to skirt all the mileage and safety regs on cars. Why? Detroit likes money and hates high mileage environmentally safe autos. Same for the meat industry. They don't care about the quality of their products,just that we buy them,don't complain about the health risks and be happy. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
For the sake of public safety and the environment we should shut down most meat producing operations. Ranches,slaughterhouses, the works. Some things are'nt worth the money
and the toll on all of us makes beef,pork and fowl productions must be reduced,just so we Humans can have a life.
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» RE:Well kind of...... Posted by: jeffrey7
» reworked cattle parts Posted by: YogiBear
Exaggeration
Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 6, 2008 8:24 AM   
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I appreciate the author's point, but it is a stretch to state that

"The shocking fact is that production of beef, pork and poultry is a bigger part of the climate problem than the cars and trucks we drive, indeed of the whole transportation sector."

That's only if you don't count the extraction and production of the fuel needed to power the vehicles. And without the fuel, they wouldn't go. So it's a bit of a stretch.

Just a small point. The author is basically right. There's an entire department at Colorado State dedicated to cow farts.

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This article is a gross simplification of agriculture
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Aug 6, 2008 8:27 AM   
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Cattle fed grass diets largely without corn don't produce near the amount of methane that cattle fed industrial feeds do.

Consumers have a choice, they can research the brands they eat and choose to only consume animals that are cage free, free range, and fed natural diets.

That is a choice. This article lumps all meat consumption together.


Food prices are affected by a variety of factors, eating meat and driving ethanol powered automobiles aren't the only and likely not even the major reason.

The Federal Reserve doubled the money supply while Greenspan was there under Bush. Bernanke has pledged to double it again in the first 2 years he is at the Fed.

That alone over time will causes commodities like food and oil to quadruple in price.


The cutting down of the rain forest is not the fault of Americans. We don't even have any rain forest in this country. Brazil, and other South American countries choose to bulldoze their land to make room for food production or housing or other projects.

While I disagree with their choice, I am not in a position to make it for them and it certainly isn't anyone's fault other than the Brazillian, Bolivian, Venezeulan, etc governments.


Lastly, population control, their might not be so many starving people in the 3rd world if they practiced population control and had replacement fertility rates.

Starvation in the world is a complex problem with many contributing factors.

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Eating meat WHILE driving a truck...
Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 6, 2008 8:54 AM   
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Sorry to trivialize an important issue with humor but could not resist

Meat eating in this country anyway is linked to LOW SES= Socioeconomic Status. Not true in many underdeveloped/undeveloped countries.

Most people in US who drive trucks are meat eaters-big time!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,PA
ralippin@aol.com

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doing enough for animals
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 6, 2008 10:38 AM   
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"...asking the American public to eat less meat is still a radical idea, politically untouchable," writes Frances Cerra Whittelsey.

"One man's meat is another man/woman/child's hunger." This slogan is part of the "Enough" campaign, with its aim of reducing meat consumption. The campaign highlights the waste of resources involved in feeding grain to animals. "Every minute 18 children die from starvation, yet 40% of the world's grain is fed to animals for meat." Vegetarianism for a trial period is advocated to "help the hungry, improve the environment" and "stop untold animal suffering." Vegetarianism is also recommended on health grounds. This campaign actually has the support of organized religion.

The realization that meat is an unnecessary luxury, resulting in inequities in the world food supply has prompted religious leaders in different Christian denominations to call on their members to abstain from meat on certain days of the week. Paul Moore, Jr., the Episcopal Bishop of the Diocese of New York, made such an appeal in a November, 1974 pastoral letter calling for the observance of “meatless Wednesdays.”

A similar appeal had previously been issued by Cardinal Cooke, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York. The Reverend Eugene Carson Blake, former head of the World Council of Churches and founder of Bread for the World, has encouraged everyone in his anti-hunger organization to abstain from eating meat on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

“Is this not the fast I have chosen? To loosen the chains of wickedness, to undo the bonds of oppression, and to let the oppressed go free? Is it not to share thy bread with the hungry, sheltering the oppressed and the homeless? Clothing the naked when you see them, and not turning your back on your own.”

—Isaiah 58:6-8

“Honourable men may disagree honourably about some details of human treatment of the non-human,” wrote Stephen Clark in his 1977 book, The Moral Status of Animals, “but vegetarianism is now as necessary a pledge of moral devotion as was the refusal of emperor-worship in the early church.”

According to Clark, eating animal flesh is “gluttony,” and “Those who still eat flesh when they could do otherwise have no claim to be serious moralists.”

“Clark’s conclusion has real force and its power has yet to be sufficiently appreciated by fellow Christians,” says the Reverend Andrew Linzey, author of Christianity and the Rights of Animals. “Far from seeing the possibility of widespread vegetarianism as a threat to Old Testament norms, Christians should rather welcome the fact that the Spirit is enabling us to make decisions so that we may more properly conform to the original Genesis picture of living in peace with creation.”

Father Thomas Berry, a Catholic priest, author, and founder of the Riverdale Center of Religious Research in New York, wrote in 1987 that “Vegetarianism is a way of life that we should all move toward for economic survival, physical well-being, and spiritual integrity.”

In a speech before the World Council of Churches in September 1988, Dr. Tom Regan concluded:

“…the whole fabric of Christian agape is woven from the threads of sacrificial acts. To abstain…from eating animals, therefore, although it is not the end-all, can be the begin-all of our conscientious effort to journey back to (or toward) Eden, can be one way (among others) to re-establish or create that relationship to the earth which, if Genesis 1 is to be trusted, was part of God’s original hopes for and plans in creation.

"It is the integrity of this creation we seek to understand and aspire to honor. In the choice of our food, I believe, we see…a small but not unimportant part of both the challenge and the promise of Christianity and animal rights.”

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» RE: doing enough for animals Posted by: mtnprivy
Good luck!
Posted by: vangogh69 on Aug 6, 2008 11:32 AM   
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Asking an American to think of meat consumption as akin to SUV-driving is like asking them to give up the concept of "private property." Both ideas (meat & pp) are remnants of the colonies and are such a deep part of the American psyche that I doubt it will change.

However, if you know what eating meat does to the environment, to animals, etc., and still choose to do it you're a lesser person in my book.

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» RE: Good luck! Posted by: g50
» RE: Good luck! Posted by: BCcovers
Political Correct diet dictocrats got it wrong!
Posted by: ukeman on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 PM   
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Grass fed free range meat IS an essential part of the necessary diet for mankind.
Don't be fooled by the sugar, and polyunsaturated oil industries.
It's meat and tobacco that they already let go of, but not the sugar and oil.
See Weston A Price foundation for science that refutes insufficient Vegan claims.

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Enough already!
Posted by: texshelters on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 PM   
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This issue is important, but why do I see it on alternet every time I log on? factory farmed beef is destructive in many ways. I get it.

Let's move on already. If people don't already get this and they come to alternet regularly, they're idiots.

Can we talk about something else. We already get it!

Thanks,
Tex Shelters

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a progressive cause
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 6, 2008 12:39 PM   
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I've been vegetarian since 1982. I attended my first anti-vivisection protest in the spring of 1985. It was outside the biology building at UC San Diego, when anti-apartheid demonstrations were taking place. I first got interested in promoting vegetarianism in mainstream society after reading John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987). Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, it makes veganism seem as reasonable and mainstream as recycling.

Half the water consumed in the U.S. goes to irrigate land growing feed and fodder for livestock. Huge amounts of water wash away their excrement. U.S. livestock produce twenty times as much excrement as does the entire human population; creating sewage which is ten to several hundred times more concentrated than raw domestic sewage. Animal wastes cause ten times more water pollution than does the U.S. human population; the meat industry causes three times as much harmful organic water pollution than the rest of the nation's industries combined. Meat producers are the number one industrial polluters in our nation, contributing to half the water pollution in the United States.

Joanna Macy, author of Despair and Personal Power in the Nuclear Age, depicts the advantages of America moving towards a vegan diet in her foreword to Diet for a New America:

"The effects on our physical health are immediate. The incidence of cancer and heart attack, the nation's biggest killers, drops precipitously. So do many other diseases now demonstrably and causally linked to consumption of animal proteins and fats, such as osteoporosis...

"The social, ecological, and economic consequences, as we Americans turn away from animal food products, are equally remarkable. We find that the grain we previously fed to fatten livestock can now feed five times the U.S. population; so we have become able to alleviate malnutrition and hunger on a worldwide scale...

"The great forests of the world, that we had been decimating for grazing purposes, begin to grow again. Oxygen-producing trees are no longer sacrificed for cholesterol-producing steaks.

"The water crisis eases. As we stop raising and grinding up cattle for hamburgers, we discover that ranching and farm factories had been the major drain on our water resources. The amount now available for irrigation and hydroelectric power doubles. Meanwhile, the change in diet frees over 90% of the fossil fuel previously used to produce food. With this liberation of water energy and fossil fuel energy, our reliance on oil imports declines, as does the rationale for building nuclear power plants..."

Joanna Macy admits, "This scenario is wildly, absurdly utopian. It is also clearly the way we are meant to live, built to live." What could possibly make it a reality? "It is this very book!"

Roberta Kalechofsky of Jews for Animal Rights similarly says:

"Merely by ceasing to eat meat
Merely by practicing restraint
We have the power to end a painful industry

"We do not have to bear arms to end this evil
We do not have to contribute money
We do not have to sit in jail or go to
meetings or demonstrations or
engage in acts of civil disobedience

"Most often, the act of repairing the world,
of healing mortal wounds,
is left to heroes and tzaddikim (holy people)
Saints and people of unusual discipline

"But here is an action every mortal can
perform--surely it is not too difficult!"

When I first read Diet for a New America, I felt it could have the kind of impact on mainstream American society that Frances Moore Lappe's Diet for a Small Planet had in the '70s. If Americans reduced their meat consumption by just 10 percent, it would release enough grain and soybeans to feed over 60 million people.

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» not to nitpick but Posted by: AdamG
» Thanks Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Grasslands should not be used to grow grain
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Aug 6, 2008 1:05 PM   
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Their best use is for grass-fed animals. Growing grain is a good way to turn grasslands into a dust bowl. While we're at it, we should turn the dust bowl states back into prairies for buffalo.

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» Say what? Posted by: GuitarBill
I will not do anything for the environment until you tell brown people to stop over breeding.
Posted by: European American on Aug 6, 2008 3:59 PM   
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I don't care what their god says.

I drive a car and eat meat. They have 8 kids.

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» I'm an honest asshole! Posted by: European American
Maleness,meat and social class.
Posted by: BlueGorilla on Aug 6, 2008 6:24 PM   
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There is a certain school of boneheaded conservatism,that equates red meat eating with maleness.
Perhaps this is a compensatory mechanism,not only for sexual inadequacy,but also because the backgrounds of many richer conservatives have been too comfortable and easy.Look at Dubya for example,he looks like he learned his "manliness"from watching repeats of True Grit.
As a result of this cossetted childhood and even more cossetted adulthood,the "Fight Club" mentality kicks in,though without actually stepping into the ring.Instead all you need is a thick steak.
Overgrown frat boys in desk bound , socially meaningless,yet high paid jobs ,need to somehow convince themselves that they live up to a self created , caricature of what a man is.
Yet when it comes down to it,this "A man's gotta do,what a man's gotta do" public persona,is the opposite to the cowardly reality.
This is shown by the hhuuggee gulf between Bush's military record,and the tough guy persona he showed the world,when he strutted onto the deck of Airforce One.
Only those born into comfort,or born with tiny male parts,could possibly feel so inadequate.
If they had been born into a working class culture,they would have no need to "prove"anything.
Meat eating doesnt make you tough... you idiots.In truth, compassion for animals and the environment makes you more of a man.

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being a preachy elitist veggie is worse then eating meat
Posted by: AdamG on Aug 6, 2008 7:06 PM   
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Hoe your soybean veggie and I'll herd my sheep and cows.

We'll see who eats last.

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» You are right Posted by: AdamG
» RE: You are right Posted by: BlueGorilla
Who is really divorced from reality?
Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Aug 6, 2008 8:40 PM   
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1. I do not eat fast food.
2. I do not drive (or even own) a car.
3. I make a conscious effort to inform myself about where my food comes from.
4. I hate CAFOs and the whole fossil-fuel-soaked system of industrial grain-force-fed production.
5. If I had local access to grass-fed beef/pork/chicken I would not hesitate to buy it, regardless of price.
6. If I were able, I would gladly assist in the humane slaughter of the meat I consume (giving thanks to the spirit of the animal for its sacrifice).
7. I will not stop eating meat as part of a balanced diet, just as I would not stop eating vegetables and fruits.
8. None of this makes me better (or worse) than anybody else. However, I would be willing to bet that I am healthier than any vegetarian or vegan (and a good deal less cloyingly-self-righteous than many of them).
9. Please stop running these simplistic, holier-than-thou veggie jeremiads. They are just as tiresome and unenlightening as the smug right-wing religious triumpalism that claims a monopoly on truth and morality.

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Another Bull Shit Article
Posted by: hilly7 on Aug 6, 2008 8:56 PM   
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I read some of this and laughed. Do I wish I plugged in my car, no. This is a push for electricity which will be supplied by coal. This will reduce our carbon footprint since other than volcanoes, it is listed as 2nd best way to release Mercury, very toxic, you will just die to see how toxic. It is followed by those "5 year bulbs" Al Whore endorses. Thank you again China for selling us these. Research Mountain Top Removal to see what happens when you get these electric cars. Of course there is always Nucleur, great option.

Now we come to beef, and all meats. I loathe corporate farming but what is even worse, is a half informed person that actually has no ideal what they are talking about. First off, animals produce fertilizer, then again, so does oil, choice, which one is safer and better for the earth.

Petro Chemical fertilizers are not only contamination the ground, but the water.

Then we have a simple problem of not enough water, yep irrigation. Of course hopefully the weather will be great, otherwise crops could be slim. Can you spell hunger?

Now we have clothing. Other than leather, we can use chemicals to make things like shoes and belts. Chemicals use petro to produce.

Now I find it funny (funny weird) that for thousands of years people found a happy medium for food and only now have we basterized the old traditions. These are ways that worked or else we wouldn't be here, ways of nature, yet people say they want the old ways back. Ok, minus the hard work and hand hoeing and work horses. That again leaves us with petro ran tractors. Oh wait, we could perhaps have electric tractors that use coal fired generated fuel or nukes.

Seriously, get a clue.

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» RE: Another Bull Shit Article Posted by: rickyvern
» and another thing Posted by: AdamG
Is Meat-Eating Natural for Humans?
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 6, 2008 9:29 PM   
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R.H. Weldon writes in No Animal Food:

"The gorge of a cat, for instance, will rise at the smell of a mouse or a piece of raw flesh, but not at the aroma of fruit. If a man can take delight in pouncing upon a bird, tear its still living body apart with his teeth, sucking the warm blood, one might infer that Nature had provided him with a carnivorous instinct, but the very thought of doing such a thing makes him shudder. On the other hand, a bunch of luscious grapes makes his mouth water, and even in the absence of hunger, he will eat fruit to gratify taste."

As far back as 1961, the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that: "A vegetarian diet can prevent 97% of our coronary occlusions." More recently, Wiiliam S. Collens and Gerald B. Dobkens concluded: "Examination of the dental structure of modern man reveals that he possesses all the features of a strictly herbivorous animal. While designed to subsist on vegetarian foods, he has perverted his dietary habits to accept food of the carnivore. It is postulated that man cannot handle carnivorous foods like the carnivore. Herein may lie the basis for the high incidence of arteriosclerotic disease."

Keith Akers in A Vegetarian Sourcebook (1983), responds to the argument that killing animals for food is natural:

"The main problem with this argument is that it does not justify the practice of meat-eating or animal husbandry as we know it today; it justifies hunting. The distinction between hunting and animal husbandry probably seems rather fine to the man in the street, or even to your typical rule-utilitarian moral philosopher. The distinction, however, is obvious to an ecologist. If one defends killing on the grounds that it occurs in nature, then one is defending the practice as it occurs in nature.

"When one species of animal preys on another in nature, it only preys on a very small proportion of the total species population. Obviously, the predator species relies on its prey for its continued survival. Therefore, to wipe the prey species out through overhunting would be fatal. In practice, members of such predator species rely on such strategies as territoriality to restrict overhunting and to insure the continued existence of its food supply.

"Moreover, only the weakest members of the prey species are the predator's victims: the feeble, the sick, the lame, or the young accidentally separated from the fold. The life of the typical zebra is usually placid, even in lion country; this kind of violence is the exception in nature, not the rule.

"As it exists in the wild, hunting is the preying upon isolated members of an animal herd. Animal husbandry is the nearly complete annihilation of an animal herd. In nature, this kind of slaughter does not exist. The philosopher is free to argue that there is no moral difference between hunting and slaughter, but he cannot invoke nature as a defense of this idea.

"Why are hunters, not butchers, most frequently taken to task by the larger community for their killing of animals? Hunters usually react to such criticism by replying that if hunting is wrong, then meat-hunting must be wrong as well. The hunter is certainly right on one point--the larger community is hypocritical to object to hunting when it consumes the flesh of domesticated animals. If any form of meat-eating is justified, it would be meat from a hunted animal."

Dr. Milton Mills' "The Comparative Anatomy of Eating," www.vegsource.com/veg_faq/comaprative.htm and the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, www.pcrm.org , argue that the optimal diet for humanity is a vegan diet. However, even if humans really are omnivores and not frugivores, my friend Mareechi Duvvuuri (another Hindu-American!) who once studied sports medicine, pointed out that the diet of natural omnivores is mostly (80 percent) plant food.

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» 80% plants, not 100% Posted by: Beck
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I hate how...
Posted by: cardboardurinal on Aug 7, 2008 3:16 PM   
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I just hate it when these vegetarian/vegan friendly articles point to studies that show that vegetarians are more healthy than the general public. Of course they are, most Americans aren't careful about what they eat. Try comparing vegetarians to someone doesn't just cram their face with whatever they can get their hands on.

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» RE: I hate how... Posted by: jeff303
The Vegetarian Alternative (Vic Sussman, 1978)
Posted by: vasumurti on Aug 7, 2008 6:59 PM   
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Our society is now in the throes of rethinking and expanding the entire idea of rights. In only the past ten years we've seen a blur of changes in our legal and social attitudes towards the rights of racial and ethnic minorities, women, the aged, children, homosexuals, and the mentally and physically handicapped.

The issue isn't one of equality per se. The law cannot erase the real differences between people. The issue is one of equal treatment regardless of what outward differences divide us.

This reassessment, whether the resultant social upheaval and changes please you or not, is the result of both new scientific and social discoveries and a rededication to old ideas. (Women and racial minorities have, after all, been demanding equal treatment for centuries.)

Our laws, if not our social consciousness, no longer excuse the mistreatment of humans because they're "only slaves" or "feebleminded" or "the weaker sex." The notion of human rights --at least the right to be free of pain and deliberate mistreatment -- has come to be based on something more than what an elite describes as normal or acceptable.

But if we're finally discarding the notion that rights can be doled out on the basis of one's having the right skin color or sex or IQ, are we willing to discard the notion that one must be human to receive equal consideration? Ready or not, science may now be forcing our hand.

In the late 1960s, researchers began experiments designed to teach chimpanzees the American Sign Language for the Deaf...Should we deny compassion to any creature just because it's less able to express its feelings in terms we can understand?

Advances in medical technology have forced us to look hard at our traditional definitions of life and death. Doctors are now able to keep people alive by using sophisticated life-support systems and so-called heroic measures. Many lives have been saved through these means, but many legal and ethical complications have also been created.

We no longer speak of death as merely the absence of a heartbeat. We use terms like brain death -- the point at which consciousness and awareness cease and are incapable of recovery. We are learning that a beating heart and inflated lungs alone do not constitute a meaningful existence

Legal precedents have already been established to allow doctors to disconnect life support systems once it becomes apparent that a patient's brain activity has stopped and is irretrievable. Notice that our courts, doctors, and the rational public do not (thank goodness) measure the value of life on the basis of the patient's skin color, IQ, bank account, or social status. We concern ourselves with specific questions: can the person respond to meaningful stimuli? Is the person aware? Can he or she feel pain?

Leaving aside the controversy over euthanasia and medical ethics, let's assume that we agree on one premise: once awareness vanishes and is irretrievable, the body kept functioning indefinitely solely by machines and external manipulation is a mere husk.

Whether it's legal or moral to pull the plug in such a situation is not the question here. Our discussion must focus only on one point -- that the fundamental characteristic of sentient beings is their capacity for awareness and expression. As long as a human shows the slightest ability to register emotions, our traditions and laws work to protect that individual's interests.

And what of nonhumans with interests? While you may argue, however illogically, that animals have no legal status, you cannot reasonably deny that animals are capable of feeling and awareness.

They feel pain...can we refuse to consider a creature's suffering merely because it belongs to another species?

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Going vegan
Posted by: vegwriter on Aug 11, 2008 12:34 AM   
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Regarding this discussion that going vegan helps the environment, lots of people have been putting these bumper stickers on their cars. It's a good way to spread the message!

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