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The Only Diet for a Peacemaker Is a Vegetarian Diet

By John Dear, National Catholic Reporter. Posted July 12, 2008.


Vegetarianism a key ingredient in the new life of peace, compassion and nonviolence.
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In Fort Lauderdale, Fla., last week to speak at the National Convention of Unitarian Universalists, I met my old friend Bruce Friedrich. We spent eight memorable months together in a tiny jail cell, along with Philip Berrigan, for our 1993 Plowshares disarmament action. A former Catholic Worker, Bruce is now one of the leaders of PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. He gave a brilliant workshop on the importance of becoming a vegetarian, something I urge everyone to consider.

I became a vegetarian with a few other Jesuit novices shortly after I entered the Jesuits in 1982 and later wrote a pamphlet for PETA, "Christianity and Vegetarianism." I based my decision solely on Francis Moore Lappe's classic work, Diet for a Small Planet, a book that I think everyone should read.

In it, Lappe, the great advocate for the hungry, makes an unassailable case that vegetarianism is the best way to eliminate world hunger and to sustain the environment.

At first glance, we wonder how that could be. But it's undisputable. A hundred million tons of grain go yearly for biofuel -- a morally questionable use of foodstuffs. But more than seven times that much -- some 760 million tons according to the United Nations -- go into the bellies of farmed animals, this to fatten them up so that sirloin, hamburgers and pork roast grace the tables of First-World people. It boils down to this. Over 70 percent of U.S. grain and 80 percent of corn is fed to farm animals rather than people.

Conscience dictates that the grain should stay where it is grown, from South America to Africa. And it should be fed to the local malnourished poor, not to the chickens destined for our KFC buckets. The environmental think-tank, the World Watch Institute, sums it up: "Continued growth in meat output is dependent on feeding grain to animals, creating competition for grain between affluent meat eaters and the world's poor."

Meanwhile, eating meat causes almost 40 percent more greenhouse-gas emissions than all the cars, trucks, and planes in the world combined. (The world's 1.3 billion cattle release tons of methane into the atmosphere, and hundreds of millions tons of CO2 are released by burning forests due to dry conditions as in California or due to purposeful burns to create cow pastures in Latin America.)

And global warming isn't the only environmental issue. Almost 40 years ago, Lappe spelled out the environmental consequences of eating meat in stark relief. But more recently, her analysis received some high-power validation. The United Nations recently published "Livestock's Long Shadow." It concludes that eating meat is "one of the most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global." And it insists that the meat industry "should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity."

Much of our potable water and much of our fossil fuel supply is wasted on rearing chickens, pigs, and other animals for humans to eat. And over 50 percent of forests worldwide have been cleared to raise or feed livestock for meat-eating. (A recent protest in Brazil denounced Kentucky Fried Chicken for clearing thousands of acres of untouched Amazon rain forest for chicken feed.)

As a Christian, I became a vegetarian because of the Gospel mandate of Matthew 25, "Whatever you did to the least of these, you did to me" -- because I do not want my appetites to contribute to the ongoing oppression of the world's starving masses. As a Catholic and Jesuit, I want somehow to side with the poor and hungry.

But another issue arises, too, over the decades, I've learned that our appetite for meat leads to cruelty to animals -- chickens pressed wing-to-wing into filthy sheds and de-beaked, for example. And since I've always espoused creative nonviolence as the fundamental Gospel value, my vegetarianism helps me not to participate in the vicious torture and destruction of billions of cows, chickens, and so many other creatures.

The chickens never raise families, root in the soil, build nests, or do anything natural. Often they are tormented or tortured before they are slowly killed, as PETA has repeatedly documented in its undercover investigations -- for your chicken dinner or hamburger. (All this is documented on a video narrated by Alec Baldwin, at www.Meat.org.)


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John's autobiography, A Persistent Peace, (with a foreword by Martin Sheen), is available Aug. 1. See also: www.persistentpeace.com. John's pamphlet "Christianity and Vegetarianism" can be read online at www.peta.org or free copies of the pamphlet or a free CD of John reading the pamphlet can be ordered by sending an email to VegInfo@peta.org. You can listen to or download John reading the pamphlet at www.ChristianVeg.com. See also: www.johndear.org.

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Save the baby carrots!
Posted by: hunterochoa on Jul 12, 2008 6:57 AM   
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Eat a vegetarian!

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Super piece--and spot on.
Posted by: TwinsFanatic on Jul 12, 2008 8:33 AM   
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What I am not clear on is why the usual slew of people are not posting, attacking this piece as unreasonable and extreme.

Of course if we care about being at all frugal, the strongest of the author's arguments is that it takes so many more resources, fed to animals, than would be required if we ate crops directly.

But for me, I just don't want to eat an animal's corpse, and I have yet to hear any cogent argument to explain why there is any difference at all between eating a dog or a pig, a cat or a chicken. I wouldn't eat a cat or dog, so I'm not going to eat any animal.

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» RE: Super piece--and spot on. Posted by: keinemal
Chairman, Catholic Concern for Animals-USA
Posted by: Godscre@msn on Jul 12, 2008 8:45 AM   
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Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God." Matthew 5:9. Peacemaking is a way of life. God created us to be vegetarian (vegan), but after sin entered the world, Satan has had his way and has deceived churches/Christians for decades.
We should not support factory farming where tens of billions of God's creatures suffer every day for our appetites. In Numbers 11, God shows his opinion of greed for meat when the Israelites wanted meat to eat instead of the manna God provided.
God will hold us all accountable someday for everything including His creatures as said in Hebrews 4:13.
We need more spiritual leaders like Fr. John Dear who speak the truth. Bruce with PETA also has been fighting for justice and peace for animals.
Hopefully, the Church will get on board. It is an important part of our walk with Jesus and is a moral and ethical issue.

Jan Fredericks, LPC, MA
Catholic Concern for Animals-USA
Founder, God's Creatures Ministry

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a nonviolent philosophy begins at breakfast
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 12, 2008 12:13 PM   
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I've been vegetarian since 1982. I attended my first anti-vivisection protest in the spring of 1985, as anti-apartheid demonstrations rocked the UC San Diego campus. I became interested in promoting vegetarianism in mainstream society after reading John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987). Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, it makes veganism seem as reasonable and mainstream as recycling.

Half the water consumed in the U.S. goes to irrigate land growing feed and fodder for livestock. Huge amounts of water are used to wash away their excrement. U.S. livestock produce 20 times as much excrement as does the entire human population; creating sewage which is 10 to several hundred times more concentrated than raw domestic sewage. Animal wastes cause 10 times more water pollution than does the U.S. human population; the meat industry causes 3 times as much harmful organic water pollution than the rest of the nation's industries combined. Meat producers are the number one industrial polluters in our nation, contributing to half the water pollution in the United States.

Joanna Macy, author of Despair and Personal Power in the Nuclear Age, depicts America moving towards a vegan diet in her foreword to Diet for a New America:

"The effects on our physical health are immediate. The incidence of cancer and heart attack, the nation's biggest killers, drops precipitously. So do many other diseases now demonstrably and causally linked to consumption of animal proteins and fats, such as osteoporosis...

"The social, ecological, and economic consequences, as we Americans turn away from animal food products, are equally remarkable. We find that the grain we previously fed to fatten livestock can now feed five times the U.S. population; so we have become able to alleviate malnutrition and hunger on a worldwide scale...

"The great forests of the world, that we had been decimating for grazing purposes, begin to grow again. Oxygen-producing trees are no longer sacrificed for cholesterol-producing steaks.

"The water crisis eases. As we stop raising and grinding up cattle for hamburgers, we discover that ranching and farm factories had been the major drain on our water resources. The amount now available for irrigation and hydroelectric power doubles. Meanwhile, the change in diet frees over 90% of the fossil fuel previously used to produce food. With this liberation of water energy and fossil fuel energy, our reliance on oil imports declines, as does the rationale for building nuclear power plants..."

Joanna Macy goes on to admit, "This scenario is wildly, absurdly utopian. It is also clearly the way we are meant to live, built to live." What could possibly make it a reality? "It is this very book!"

Paul McCartney also says, "If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is stop eating meat. That's the single most important thing you could do. It's staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty. Let's do it! Linda was right. Going veggie is the single best idea for the new century."

When I first read Diet for a New America, I felt it could have the same kind of impact on mainstream American society that Frances Moore Lappe's Diet for a Small Planet had in the '70s.

The number of animals killed for food in the United States is 70 times larger than the number of animals killed in laboratories, 30 times larger than the number killed by hunters and trappers, and 500 times larger than the number of animals killed in pounds.

If Americans reduced their meat consumption by just 10 percent, it would release enough grain and soybeans to feed over 60 million people.

John Robbins spoke before the United Nations in 1994, where he received a standing ovation.

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Omnivores
Posted by: Bradley on Jul 12, 2008 6:40 PM   
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"One could almost argue that the human body is not designed for meat-eating."

A little anatomy lesson:

Carnivores have short intestines, Herbivores have long intestines, Omnivores have medium length intestines. Humans have medium length intestines and are therefore Omnivores.

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humans are frugivores (part 1)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 12, 2008 11:31 PM   
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The frugivores (gorillas, chimpanzees and other primates) have intestinal tracts twelve times the length of the body, clawless hands and alkaline urine and saliva. Their diet is mostly vegetarian, occasionally supplemented with carrion, insects, etc.

Flesh-eating animals lap water with their tongue, whereas vegetarian animals imbibe liquids by a suction process. Humans are classified as primates and are thus frugivores possessing a set of completely herbivorous teeth. Proponents of the theory that humans should be classified as omnivores note that human beings do, in fact, possess a modified form of canine teeth. However, these so-called "canine teeth" are much more prominent in animals that traditionally never eat flesh, such as apes, camels, and the male musk deer.

It must also be noted that the shape, length and hardness of these so-called "canine teeth" can hardly be compared to those of true carnivorous animals. A principle factor in determining the hardness of teeth is the phosphate of magnesia content. Human teeth usually contain 1.5 percent phosphate of magnesia, whereas the teeth of carnivores are composed of nearly 5 percent phosphate of magnesia. It is for this reason they are able to break through the bones of their prey, and reach the nutritious marrow.

Zoologist Desmond Morris makes a case for vegetarianism in his 1967 book, The Naked Ape: "It could be argued that, since our primate ancestors had to make do without a major meat component in their diets we should be able to do the same. We were driven to become flesh eaters only by environmental circumstances, and now that we have the environment under control, with elaborately cultivated crops at our disposal, we might be expected to return to our ancient feeding patterns."

In The Human Story, edited by Marie-Louise Makris (1985), we read: "...recent studies of their teeth reveal that the Australopithecines did not eat meat as a regular part of their diet, and were mainly peaceful vegetarians, rather like chimps or gorillas. The popular image of the murderous ape is now as extinct as the Australopithecines themselves."

Dr. Gordon Latto notes that carnivorous and omnivorous animals can only move their jaws up and down, and that omnivores "have a blunt tooth, a sharp tooth, a blunt tooth, a sharp tooth--showing that they were destined to deal both with flesh foods from the animal kingdom and foods from the vegetable kingdom...

"Carnivorous mammals and omnivorous mammals cannot perspire except at the extremity of the limbs and the tip of the nose; man perspires all over the body. Finally, our instincts; the carnivorous mammal (which first of all has claws and canine teeth) is capable of tearing flesh asunder, whereas man only partakes of flesh foods after they have been camouflaged by cooking and by condiments.

"Man instinctively is not carnivorous," explains Dr. Latto. "...he takes the flesh food after somebody else has killed it, and after it has been cooked and camouflaged with certain condiments. Whereas to pick an apple off a tree or eat some grain or a carrot is a natural thing to do; people enjoy doing it; they don't feel disturbed by it. But to see these animals being slaughtered does affect people; it offends them. Even the toughest of people are affected by the sights in the slaughterhouse.

"I remember taking some medical students into a slaughterhouse. They were about as hardened people as you could meet. After seeing the animals slaughtered that day in the slaughterhouse, not one of them could eat the meat that evening."

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humans are frugivores (part 2)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 12, 2008 11:33 PM   
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Author R.H. Weldon writes in No Animal Food:

"The gorge of a cat, for instance, will rise at the smell of a mouse or a piece of raw flesh, but not at the aroma of fruit. If a man can take delight in pouncing upon a bird, tear its still living body apart with his teeth, sucking the warm blood, one might infer that Nature had provided him with a carnivorous instinct, but the very thought of doing such a thing makes him shudder. On the other hand, a bunch of luscious grapes makes his mouth water, and even in the absence of hunger, he will eat fruit to gratify taste."

As far back as 1961, the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that: "A vegetarian diet can prevent 97% of our coronary occlusions." More recently, Wiiliam S. Collens and Gerald B. Dobkens concluded:

"Examination of the dental structure of modern man reveals that he possesses all the features of a strictly herbivorous animal. While designed to subsist on vegetarian foods, he has perverted his dietary habits to accept food of the carnivore. It is postulated that man cannot handle carnivorous foods like the carnivore. Herein may lie the bais for the high incidence of arteriosclerotic disease."

Keith Akers in A Vegetarian Sourcebook (1983), responds to the argument that killing animals for food is natural:

"The main problem with this argument is that it does not justify the practice of meat-eating or animal husbandry as we know it today; it justifies hunting. The distinction between hunting and animal husbandry probably seems rather fine to the man in the street, or even to your typical rule-utilitarian moral philosopher. The distinction, however, is obvious to an ecologist. If one defends killing on the grounds that it occurs in nature, then one is defending the practice as it occurs in nature.

"When one species of animal preys on another in nature, it only preys on a very small proportion of the total species population. Obviously, the predator species relies on its prey for its continued survival. Therefore, to wipe the prey species out through overhunting would be fatal. In practice, members of such predator species rely on such strategies as territoriality to restrict overhunting and to insure the continued existence of its food supply.

"Moreover, only the weakest members of the prey species are the predator's victims: the feeble, the sick, the lame, or the young accidentally separated from the fold. The life of the typical zebra is usually placid, even in lion country; this kind of violence is the exception in nature, not the rule.

"As it exists in the wild, hunting is the preying upon isolated members of an animal herd. Animal husbandry is the nearly complete annihilation of an animal herd. In nature, this kind of slaughter does not exist. The philosopher is free to argue that there is no moral difference between hunting and slaughter, but he cannot invoke nature as a defense of this idea.

"Why are hunters, not butchers, most frequently taken to task by the larger community for their killing of animals? Hunters usually react to such criticism by replying that if hunting is wrong, then meat-hunting must be wrong as well. The hunter is certainly right on one point--the larger community is hypocritical to object to hunting when it consumes the flesh of domesticated animals. If any form of meat-eating is justified, it would be meat from a hunted animal."

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humans are frugivores (part 3)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 12, 2008 11:36 PM   
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In his 1975 book, Animal Liberation, Australian philosopher Peter Singer writes:

"Killing an animal is in itself a troubling act. It has been said that if we had to kill our own meat we would all be vegetarians. There may be exceptions to that general rule, but it is true that most people prefer not to inquire into the killing of the animals they eat.

"Very few people ever visit a slaughterhouse; and films of slaughterhouse operations are rarely shown on television...Yet those who, by their purchases, require animals to be killed have no right to be shielded from this or any other aspect of the production of the meat they buy.

"If it is distasteful for humans to think about, what can it be like for the animals to experience it?"

Peter Singer concludes in Animal Liberation that "by ceasing to rear and kill animals for food, we can make extra food available for humans that, properly distributed, it would eliminate starvation and malnutrition from this planet. Animal Liberation is Human Liberation, too."

Finally, even if humans really are omnivores as some claim (and this claim is subject to dispute: I would refer these people to Dr. Milton Mills or to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, www.pcrm.org , which advocates a vegan diet, an end to vivisection, etc., for the latest on whether humans are frugivorous or omnivorous), my friend Mareechi Duvvuuri (another Hindu-American!) who once studied sports medicine, pointed out that the diet of natural omnivores is mostly (80 percent) plant food.

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Only?
Posted by: talkville on Jul 13, 2008 5:22 AM   
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All over this world there are multitudes of individuals and groups, a great many of them living in the most extreme destitution, who still work, still try, still seek, peace. The luxury of developing a 'morality of food' is not theirs. They must eat whatever is available which will provide them with the basic, the very basic requirements of maintaining the metabolism just one more day. In this capitalist and private-property age of ours, the food available to one or another individual or group or tribe or society is not in their hands; it is not a "choice", it is an Option. Each does what one can (or what one must) to harmonize the metabolic exchanges between human species-being and other species and the rest of the natural environment. To advocate a "morality of food" to those who exist and do all they can to develop a "morality of Survival" with some dignity and stability while existing fully within a world-system of exploitation, is at minimum a narrow and elitist stand; especially when it is the "only" way to propose, sustain, and develop strategies of peaceful co-existence.

Solidarity, not charity. "The hand that gives is always above the hand that receives: E. Galleano

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if God wanted us to be vegetarians
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Jul 13, 2008 7:44 PM   
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why did He make animals so tasty?

seriously though - the dietary laws in leviticus and deuteronomy allow, for example, the eating of cloven-hoofed ruminant animals who are properly raised and slaughtered...the problem is not eating meat per se, but the way animals are currently raised and fed...cows for instance should not be eating grain but grass...and no animal should live its entire existence in a box...

trying to grow enough veggies - the way they are currently grown with tons of pesticides and chemical fertilizers - is really no answer to the problem...

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RE: if God wanted us to be vegetarians (part 1)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 13, 2008 10:13 PM   
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According to the Bible, God intended the entire human race to follow a vegetarian diet (Genesis 1:29). Paradise is vegetarian. Rashi (Rabbi Solomon von Isaac, 1030-1105), the famous Jewish Bible commentator, taught that "God did not permit Adam and his wife to kill a creature and to eat its flesh. Only every green herb shall they all eat together." Ibn Ezra and other Jewish biblical commentators agree.

According to the Talmud, "Adam and many generations that followed him were strict flesh-abstainers; flesh-foods were rejected as repulsive for human consumption." Although man was made in God's image and given dominion over all creation (Genesis 1:26-28), these verses do not justify humans killing animals and devouring them, because God immediately proclaims He created the plants for human consumption. (Genesis 1:29)

In a letter to Pope John Paul II, challenging him on the issue of animal experimentation, Dr. Michael Fox of the Humane Society argued that the word "dominion" is derived from the original Hebrew word "rahe" which refers to compassionate stewardship, instead of power and control. Parents have dominion over their children; they do not have a license to kill, torment or abuse them. The Talmud (Shabbat 119; Sanhedrin 7) interprets "dominion" to mean animals may be used for labor.

Man was made in God's image (Genesis 1:26) and told to be vegetarian (Genesis 1:29). "And God saw all that He had made and saw that it was very good." (Genesis 1:31) Complete and perfect harmony. Everything in the beginning was the way God wanted it. Vegetarianism was part of God's initial plan for the world.

"It appears that the first intention of the Maker was to have men live on a strictly vegetarian diet," writes Rabbi Simon Glazer, in his 1971 Guide to Judaism. "The very earliest periods of Jewish history are marked with humanitarian conduct towards the lower animal kingdom...It is clearly established that the ancient Hebrews knew, and perhaps were the first among men to know, that animals feel and suffer pain."

After the Flood, God revised His commandment against flesh-eating. Human beings, since eating of the forbidden fruit, seemed incapable of obedience on this issue. One Jewish writer comments, "Only after man had proven unfit for the high moral standard given at the beginning, was meat made a part of the humans' diet."

In their book, The Nine Questions People Ask About Judaism, Dennis Prager and Rabbi Telushkin explain: "Keeping kosher is Judaism's compromise with its ideal vegetarianism. Ideally, according to Judaism, man would confine his eating to fruits and vegetables and not kill animals for food."

In his excellent A Guide to the Misled, Rabbi Shmuel Golding explains the orthodox Jewish position concerning animal sacrifices: "When G-d gave our ancestors permission to make sacrifices to Him, it was a concession, just as when He allowed us to have a king (I Samuel 8), but He gave us a whole set of rules and regulations concerning sacrifice that, when followed, would be superior to and distinct from the sacrificial system of the heathens."

Some biblical passages denounce animal sacrifice (Isaiah 1:11,15; Amos 5:21-25). Other passages state that animal sacrifices, not necessarily incurring God's wrath, are unnecessary (I Kings 15:22; Jeremiah 7:21-22; Hosea 6:6; Hosea 8:13; Micah 6:6-8; Psalm 50:1-14; Psalm 40:6; Proverbs 21:3; Ecclesiastes 5:1).

Sometimes Christians cite Isaiah 1:11, where God says, "I am full of the burnt offerings..." The word "full" implies God accepted the sacrifices. However, Isaiah 43:23-24 says: "You have not honored Me with your sacrifices...rather you have burdened Me with your sins, you have wearied Me with your iniquities." This suggests, as Moses Maimonides taught and Rabbi Shmuel Golding confirms above, that "the sacrifices were a concession to barbarism."

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RE: if God wanted us to be vegetarians (part 2)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 13, 2008 10:16 PM   
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Jesus taught his disciples to pray for the coming of God's kingdom (Matthew 6:9-10), the kingdom of peace, in which the entire world is restored to a vegetarian paradise (Genesis 1:29; Isaiah 11:6-9). Recalling Psalm 37:11, he blessed the meek, saying they would inherit the earth. (Matthew 5:5) The kingdom of God belongs to the gentle and kind (Matthew 5:7-9) Christians are to "Be merciful, just as your Father is also merciful." (Luke 6:36) Those who take up the sword must perish by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

Jesus spoke of God's tender care for the nonhuman creation (Matthew 6:26-30, 10:29-31; Luke 12:6-7, 24-28). Jesus taught that God desires "mercy and not sacrifice." (Matthew 9:10-13, 12:6-7; Mark 2:15-17; Luke 5:29-32) The epistle to the Hebrews 10:5-10 suggests that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law and the prophets, but only the institution of animal sacrifice, as does Jesus' cleansing the Temple of those who were buying and selling animals for sacrifice and his overturning the tables of the moneychangers in the Temple. (Matthew 21:12-14; Mark 11:15-17; Luke 19:45-46; John 2:14-17)

Jesus not only repeatedly upheld Mosaic Law (Matthew 5:17-19; Mark 10:17-22; Luke 16:17), he justified his healing on the Sabbath by referring to commandments calling for the humane treatment of animals.

When teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath, Jesus healed a woman who had been ill for eighteen years. He justified his healing work on the Sabbath by referring to biblical passages calling for the humane treatment of animals as well as their rest on the Sabbath. "So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham...be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?" Jesus asked. (Luke 13:10-16)

On another occasion, Jesus again referred to Torah teaching on "tsa'ar ba'alei chayim" or compassion for animals to justify healing on the Sabbath. "Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?" (Luke 14:1-5)

Jesus compared saving sinners who had gone astray from God's kingdom to rescuing lost sheep. He recalled a Jewish legend about Moses' compassion as a shepherd for his flock. (Luke 15:3-7,10)

Jesus insisted upon the moral standards given by God in the beginning (Matthew 5:31-32, 19:3-9; Mark 10:2-12; Luke 16:18), and this did not go unnoticed by early church fathers such as St. Jerome.

From history, too, we learn that the earliest Christians were vegetarians as well as pacifists. For example, Clemens Prudentius, the first Christian hymn writer, in one of his hymns exhorts his fellow Christians not to pollute their hands and hearts by the slaughter of innocent cows and sheep, and points to the variety of nourishing and pleasant foods obtainable without blood-shedding.

Some of the most distinguished figures in the history of Christianity have been vegetarian. A partial list includes: St. James, St. Matthew, Clemens Prudentius, Origen, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, St. Basil, St. Jerome, St. John Chrysostom, St. Benedict, Aegidius, Boniface, St. Richard of Wyche, St. Columba, St. Filipo Neri, John Wray, Thomas Tryon, John Wesley, Joshua Evans, William Metcalfe, General William Booth, Ellen White, Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, and Reverend V.A. Holmes-Gore.

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RE: if God wanted us to be vegetarians (part 3)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 13, 2008 10:18 PM   
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Reverend Marc Wessels of the International Network for Religion and Animals (INRA) writes:

"The most important teaching which Jesus shared was the need for people to love God with their whole self and to love their neighbor as they loved themselves. Jesus expanded the concept of neighbor to include those who were normally excluded, and it is therefore not too farfetched for us to consider the animals as our neighbors.

"To think about animals as our brothers and sisters is not a new or radical idea. By extending the idea of neighbor, the love of neighbor includes love of, compassion for, and advocacy of animals. There are many historical examples of Christians who thought along those lines, besides the familiar illustration of St. Francis. An abbreviated listing of some of those individuals worthy of study and emulation includes Saint Blaise, Saint Comgall, Saint Cuthbert, Saint Gerasimus, Saint Giles, and Saint Jerome, to name but a few."

According to contemporary Benedictine monk, Brother David Steindl-Rast:

"...the survival of our planet depends on our sense of belonging---to all other humans, to dolphins caught in dragnets, to pigs and chickens and calves raised in animal concentration camps, to redwoods and rainforests, to kelp beds in our oceans, and to the ozone layer."

In a sermon preached in York Minster, September 28, 1986, John Austin Baker, the Bishop of Salisbury, England, attacked the overcrowded confinement methods of raising and killing animals for food ("factory farming"), choosing as his example, the treatment of chickens:

"Is there any credit balance for the battery hen, denied almost all natural functioning, all normal environment, lapsing steadily into deformity and disease, for the whole of her existence?" he asked. "It is in the battery shed and the broiler house, not in the wild, that we find the true parallel to Auschwitz. Auschwitz is a purely human invention."

Rick Dunkerly of Christ Lutheran Church says:

"The Bible-believing Christian, should, of all people, be on the frontline in the struggle for animal welfare and rights. We who are Christians should be treating the animal creation now as it will be treated then, at Christ's second coming. It will not now be perfect, but it must be substantial, otherwise we have missed our calling, and we grieve the One we call 'Lord,' who was born in a stable surrounded by animals simply because He chose it that way."

Rose Evans, editor and publisher of Harmony: Voices for a Just Future, a "consistent-ethic" periodical on the religious Left, says there are more Christian vegetarians than Jewish vegetarians. Yet some people still react to the idea of Christian vegetarianism as though it were an oxymoron.

"Every year," says Reverend Andrew Linzey, author of Christianity and the Rights of Animals, "I receive hundreds of anguished letters from Christians who are so distressed by the insensitivity to animals shown by mainstream churches that they have left them or are on the verge of doing so...The time is long overdue to take the issue of animal rights to the churches...

"I derive hope from the Gospel preaching that the same God who draws us to such affinity and intimacy with suffering creatures declared that reality on a Cross in Calvary. Unless all Christian preaching has been utterly mistaken, the God who becomes incarnate and crucified is the one who has taken the side of the oppressed and the suffering of the world--however the churches may actually behave."

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Frustrated Farmer
Posted by: Frustrated Farmer on Jul 14, 2008 3:49 AM   
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I grow and harvest my own vegetables. I raise and butcher my own meat. Neither one suffer.

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missing the point
Posted by: peakoiler on Jul 14, 2008 4:11 AM   
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ahh - another vegetarianism advocate with the same stale facts and arguments - the moral and practical objections we should have are to our industrial food system as a whole rather than to meat eating in particular- the appeal for universal vegetarianism is just a pseudo-solution to the problems mentioned and it distracts us from the real issue - the desacralisation of eating and our total cultural disconnection from the ecological limits of human life - the problem is a culture that knows know limits to its consumption, animal, vegetable or mineral.
Wendell Berry gets it.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/05/0082022

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Hitler was a vegetarian
Posted by: peacemama on Jul 14, 2008 4:29 AM   
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My favorite comback for those who think that becoming a vegetarian makes the world more peaceful is to remind them that Hitler espoused vegetarianism. For health and eco reason less meat in a diet is great but you have to realize that humans are omnivores and more not meant for a veggie diet. A little meat desn't hurt.

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» Mass murder Posted by: Last Chance
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Only humans can be hypocrites
Posted by: Last Chance on Jul 14, 2008 5:08 AM   
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Most people feel ashamed when it is discovered a man was executed for a crime he didn't commit. Yet, every day those same law-abiding, morally sensitive citizens pay professional butchers to slaughter innocent animals. They condemn mass murdering dictators like Saddam Hussein, yet participate in mass murder every day and think nothing of it.

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brer
Posted by: brer on Jul 14, 2008 5:32 AM   
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What are you guys talking about!!?

Why do you think Abel tended sheep? Was it just for the wool? I don't think so.
And how about Esau whose father loved him because he provided delicious venison?

I admire your stance on Vegetarianism, but don't think you can support it with snippets from the Bible.

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» Biblical vegetarians? Posted by: Last Chance
flush eating humanitarians, man does not live by bread alone
Posted by: solrev on Jul 14, 2008 5:45 AM   
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“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

“One could almost argue that the human body is not designed for meat-eating.”

Evolution's twist
USC study finds meat-tolerant genes offset high cholesterol and disease
When our human ancestors started eating meat, evolution served up a healthy bonus – the development of genes that offset high cholesterol and chronic diseases associated with a meat-rich diet, according to a new USC study.
Those ancestors also started living longer than ever before – an unexpected evolutionary twist.
The research by USC professors Caleb Finch and Craig Stanford appears in Wednesday's Quarterly Review of Biology.
"At some point – probably about 2 1/2 million years ago – meat eating became important to humans," said Stanford, chair of the anthropology department in the USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences, "and when that happened, everything changed."

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Veganism
Posted by: JimMayor on Jul 14, 2008 6:01 AM   
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As a thirty-year vegan and father of two life-long vegans I would have everyone consider just skipping vegetarianism and going straight to being vegan--using no animal related products.

We attempt to follow the principles of Ahimsa, the Compassionate Way. Ahimsa is a Sanskrit term that means non-killing, non-injuring, non-harming; defined in modern life as dynamic harmlessness. Reverence for life, if you will.

I am sure this will ferret out all those perfectionists who will cite potential vicious attacks on mosquitoes, black flies, baby carrots and the like. All should realize that in this age it is impossible to even move about without injuring something. So you may laugh at our efforts, but we try. We believe everyone should also.

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can't resist this question...
Posted by: ellie on Jul 14, 2008 5:43 AM   
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so, first let's classify what we all mean... vegans do not eat any form of animal products including milk, eggs etc... vegetarians allow dairy and eggs etc, so according to this author, milk and eggs seem ok to consume... now onto the more pressing question...

there is a difference between sweet corn for human consumption which is the original breeding stock and feed corn which is modified to be used as animal feed and bio fuels... believe me, no one really wants to eat feed corn...

the seeds that are marketed for human consumption are hybrids which means saving seed from one year to plant the next are almost extinct... this puts the food supply in the same precarious position year after year, so the search for food seed is getting more expensive every year...

heirloom seeds for food are outlawed in many areas of the planet, like the Nile Delta where a multinational seed corporation forcibly confiscated the native seed stock from wheat farmers, forcing them to plant their seeds along with all the chemicals that go along with them... to standardize crops for export as part of the deal... no longer is the wheat crop for the people but they have to purchase wheat on the open market same as everyone else causing deeper poverty and hunger...

so the question is, how do we find enough seed to feed the planet that is not controlled by multinationals who rig the system for pure greed and profit... maybe we should address this issue first, food as a renewable resource again...

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Meat Eating
Posted by: riffraff2001 on Jul 14, 2008 6:33 AM   
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I'd just like to say that vegetarians are really grasping at straws these days when they try to persuade people to stop eating meat. They claim that it's healthier to be a vegetarian and yet study after study at reputable universities shows that that is false. Then they start beating the "it's cruel!" war drum again, but they have nothing to say when it's pointed out that, well, the natural world, reality that is, is quite cruel sometimes and that's just life. Animals eat other animals. Lions eat antelope. Fish eat other fish. It's just the way it all works. Now they're trying to guilt meat-eaters into giving it up by telling us that if we don't then the end of the world will be our fault. Self-righteous b.s. is all that is. My final point is this: You want to know what is the biggest waste of resources on the planet? Trying to convince a world full of meat-eaters to become vegetarians. Why even write articles like this and waste time debating it? It's never going to happen! I myself am one of those people who has no problem at all ripping the head off of any animal you choose and sucking down the blood. Blood is in fact extremely nutritious. And there are a lot of people like me and they are never going to give up eating meat. Period. It's just a waste of time and energy to argue about something that is never going to happen anyway.

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Happy Monday
Posted by: sunnywater on Jul 14, 2008 6:41 AM   
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When anyone says, "The only way", "The only diet", "The only path".

At that point you've polarized all available choices.

Black and white rigid morality leads to a proliferation of the very conduct it seeks to eradicate.

I'm vegeterian, but I don't care if my grandma wants to make chicken soup.

You can maintain your ideals and tolerate the other persons dietary choices.

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On being a Peacemaker
Posted by: JohnJlws on Jul 14, 2008 7:01 AM   
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Perhaps a good start toward a more peaceful existence would be to quit trying to tell each other how to lead our lives. From politics, to religion, to dress, to food, to choice of cars people should just keep their opinions about how others should live to themselves. Maybe that would be a great start toward a more peaceful world.

Of course not being a vegetarian I cannot be a peacemaker at least not as the author defines. That probably explains why I don’t own a gun and probably explains why I have not once, in over 50 years, been involved in a physical altercation with a fellow human being and explains why my icons consist of people like Dr. King. Peace.

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Hails . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Jul 14, 2008 7:21 AM   
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. . . of derisive laughter, Bruce!

Mmmmm . . . steak. Harlhrlhrlhrlhrlrhl . . .

Give me a break.

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Unfortunately
Posted by: Last Chance on Jul 14, 2008 7:40 AM   
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Mr. Mont, you are so ignorant you have no idea what you're talking about. It so happens I am anti-Communist, anti-Nazi, anti-racist, and anti-oppression of any kind, except the laws of our U.S. Constitution that give the people the right to establish their own communities in their own peaceful ways.

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Meat is healthy food
Posted by: billdake@sbcglobal.net on Jul 14, 2008 7:46 AM   
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I agree with much of what Vegetarians believe, but like all groups they have little tolerance for other points of view. Being a Christian, I am surprised that people find ways to spin the Bible for whatever purpose. If eating meat is a sin, our religious leaders have failed to communicate this to us.

We should treat all animals with respect as brothers, because they are intelligent (even if think they are not) and have a right to a proper life. All domestic animals should enjoy a proper living space and not be overly confined. They should live until they are adults in an environment suitable for their kind, as best as we can accommodate.

According to my Physical Therapists friends Vegetarians are slow healers, because they do not get enough animal protein. My Grand Daughter a pregnant Vegetarian was told by her doctor to eat red meat mostly for Iron. I eat some red meat, but focus on Fish and Poultry.

Milk products I believe are not consumed by Vegetarians, yet this does not cost an animal life. Today many Americans suffer from thin bones and children are being diagnosed with Rickets due to lack of good calcium. Soy milk just doesn’t do it like the real stuff and has some serious health risks. See Alternet article "the Dark side of Soy". Vegetarians should push Milk & Eggs as a way to get Animal Protein.

PG&E our local utility is trapping the Methane from cattle for electrical power. The Japanese have been using honey buckets with Human Excrement for fertilizer for some time; why not make better use of cattle manure to produce more vegetation and electricity?

Lastly if we did not eat meat many creatures would become extinct as there would be no reason for their existence and the only place you could see them would be in zoos. Save the lives of millions of domestic animals. Let them live as close to normal as possible and then like the lions, we eat them for food as necessary. Also outfits like PETA should stump for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, but not take the law into their own hands and attack laboratories that use animals for research to fight disease and improve life. Although in such laboratories where animals are not treated humanely with respect, PETA does need to protest and draw attention to unnecessary inconsiderate treatment. Common sense is needed on both sides with a lean towards Ethical Treatment as much as humanly possible. We need to be able to trust that our scientists have the necessary compassion for animals or they should find another job.

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Hitler was NOT a Vegetarian!
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 7:48 AM   
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Kathleen Marquardt, founded Putting People First, an anti-animal rights group. In her 1993 book, Animal Scam: The Beastly Abuse of Human Rights, she unsuccessfully tries to equate animal rights with Nazism.

She claims that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, and that he suffered from depression, mood swings, irritability, and agitation, all of which are symptoms of a vitamin B-12 deficiency, and that animal products are the only dietary source of vitamin B-12.

According to Carol Orsag, in Irving Wallace and David Wallechinsky’s The People’s Almanac (1975), however, Adolf Hitler consumed animal products in the form of eggs and dairy products, and enjoyed eggs "prepared 101 different ways by the best chef in Germany." He "became vegetarian because of stomach problems" rather than out of compassion for animals, and "was criticized for eating pig’s knuckles."

In a 1996 article, "Nazis and Animals: Debunking the Myths," Roberta Kalechofsky of Jews for Animal Rights states that Hitler "had a special fondness for sausages and caviar, and sometimes ham," as well as "liver dumplings." Kalechofsky states further that the Nazis experimented on animals as well as humans in the concentration camps:

"The evidence of Nazi experiments on animals is overwhelming. In The Dark Face of Science, author John Vyvyan summed it up correctly: ‘The experiments made on prisoners were many and diverse, but they had one thing in common: all were in continuation of, or complementary to, experiments on animals. In every instance, this antecedent scientific literature is mentioned in the evidence, and at Buchenwald and Auschwitz concentration camps, human and animal experiments were carried out simultaneously as parts of a single programme.’"

According to Marquardt: "Having equated animals with man, the Nazis proceeded to treat men as animals." Marquardt wants to have it both ways. She wants to show that the Nazis’ "respect for life" somehow led to a devaluation of human life. But would not a genuine reverence for life—elevating animal rights to the level of human rights—have had the opposite effect? Compassion for every living creature? There is no evidence that vegetarianism (for health or ethics) will make people saints or give them Gandhian compassion, but neither is there any evidence that it will make people Nazis.

In their book, The Nine Questions People Ask About Judaism, Dennis Prager and Rabbi Telushkin explain to Jews and non-Jews alike: "Keeping kosher is Judaism’s compromise with its ideal vegetarianism. Ideally, according to Judaism, man would confine his eating to fruits and vegetables and not kill animals for food."

Isaac Bashevis Singer, who won the Nobel Prize in Literature, became a vegetarian in 1962. He once asked, "How can we pray to God for mercy if we ourselves have no mercy? How can we speak of rights and justice if we take an innocent creature and shed its blood?"

Hitler’s so-called "vegetarianism" did not prevent Isaac Bashevis Singer from comparing humanity’s mass killing of 50 billion animals every year to the Nazi Holocaust. In 1987 he wrote, "This is my protest against the conduct of the world. To be a vegetarian is to disagree—to disagree with the course of things today. Nuclear power, starvation, cruelty—we must make a statement against these things. Vegetarianism is my statement. And I think it’s a strong one."

The late Rabbi Isaac ha-Levi Herzog once made the prediction that "Jews will move increasingly to vegetarianism out of their own deepening knowledge of what their tradition commands...Man’s carnivorous nature is not taken for granted or praised in the fundamental teachings of Judaism...A whole galaxy of central rabbinic and spiritual leaders ...has been affirming vegetarianism as the ultimate meaning of Jewish moral teaching."

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Right stance wrong argument?
Posted by: elmo1968 on Jul 14, 2008 8:06 AM   
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I agree with Fr. Dear's argument that in a world where animals are using resources that the poor desperately need, Christians of the richer nations should reduce or refrain from meat eating.

I also agree that eating animals was not originally part of God's plan of salvation -- at the beginning of Genesis, God tells Adam and Eve that the fruit of the trees will be their meat and the animals their companions.

That said, I have a problem in that Fr. Dear uses scripture to support his thesis that the Bible calls for vegetarianism because you can easily use scripture to make the opposite point. For instance: At the end of Genesis, God allows Noah to eat meat. Jesus calls himself the passover Lamb and cooks fish for his friends on the beach following the Resurrection. Jesus even eats a piece of fish himself to show that his Resurrected body was a physical one; that he was not a ghost. St. Paul describes his dream where animals of various kinds are all permitted to be eaten.

The problem with using the Bible as a proof text is that quotes can be taken out of their context to support just about anything. For instance, Daniel's longevity that Fr. Dear cites was not because he refrained from eating meat but because he refused this particular meat that had been consecrated to other gods. If it had been a beet that was offered to the gods and Daniel had refused that, his life would have been just as long for having refused a vegetable offering. This kind of context is one that Fr. Dear should take into consideration when citing scripture to support vegetarianism. There are many reasons for the Christian to eschew eating meat and arguments that are intellectually and scripturally shady will not convince a Christian with passing knowledge of the Bible to adopt a vegetarian diet.

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religion and animals
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 8:07 AM   
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I would like to see organized religion take up the struggle for animal rights. Religion has been wrong before. It has often been said that on issues such as women's rights and human slavery, religion has impeded social and moral progress. It was a Spanish Catholic priest, Bartolome de las Casas, who first proposed enslaving black Africans in place of the Native Americans who were dying off in great numbers.

The church of the past never considered human slavery to be a moral evil. The Protestant churches of Virginia, South Carolina, and other southern states actually passed resolutions in favor of the human slave traffic.

Human slavery was called "by Divine Appointment," "a Divine institution," "a moral relation," "God's institution," "not immoral," but "founded in right." The slave trade was called "legal," "licit," "in accordance with humane principles" and "the laws of revealed religion."

New Testament verses calling for obedience and subservience on the part of slaves (Titus 2:9-10; Ephesians 6:5-9; Colossians 3:22-25; I Peter 2:18-25) and respect for the master (I Timothy 6:1-2; Ephesians 6:5-9) were often cited in order to justify human slavery. Some of Jesus' parables refer to human slaves. Paul's epistle to Philemon concerns a runaway slave returned to his master.

The Quakers were one of the earliest religious denominations to condemn human slavery. "Paul's outright endorsement of slavery should be an undying embarrassment to Christianity as long as they hold the entire New Testament to be the word of God," says contemporary Quaker physician Dr. Charles P. Vaclavik. "Without a doubt, the American slaveholders quoted Paul again and again to substantiate their right to hold slaves.

"The moralist movement to abolish slavery had to go to non-Biblical sources to demonstrate the immoral nature of slavery. The abolitionists could not turn to Christian sources to condemn slavery, for Christianity had become the bastion of the evil practice through its endorsement by the Apostle Paul. Only the Old Testament gave the abolitionist any Biblical support in his efforts to free the slaves. 'You shall not surrender to his master a slave who has taken refuge with you.' (Deuteronomy 23:15) What a pittance of material opposing slavery from a book supposedly representing the word of God."

In 1852, Josiah Priest wrote Bible Defense of Slavery. Others claimed blacks were subhuman. Buckner H. Payne, calling himself "Ariel," wrote in 1867: "the tempter in the Garden of Eden...was a beast, a talking beast...the negro." Ariel argued that since the negro was not part of Noah's family, he must have been a beast. Eight souls were saved on the ark, therefore, the negro must be a beast, and "consequently, he has no soul to be saved."

The status of animals in contemporary human society is not unlike that of human slaves in centuries past. Quoting Luke 4:18, Colossians 3:11, Galatians 3:28 or any other biblical passages in favor of liberty, equality and an end to human slavery in the 18th or 19th century would have been met with the same kind of response animal rights activists receive today if they quote Bible verses in favor of ethical vegetarianism and compassion towards animals.

Some of the worst crimes in history have also been committed in the name of religion. There's a great song along these lines from the early 1990s by Rage Against the Machine entitled "Killing in the Name Of".

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Gimme a BREAK!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jul 14, 2008 8:09 AM   
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Your DIET determines whether you are a peacemaker?

For cryin' out loud, HITLER was a friggin' vegetarian!

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Here we go again...
Posted by: kimbari on Jul 14, 2008 8:35 AM   
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You will tear my porkchop out of my cold dead hand!

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FREEDOM OF CHOICE
Posted by: studiosus on Jul 14, 2008 8:42 AM   
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Eat what you want, but DO watch the video linked in the article:
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Ethical treatment of animals?
Posted by: zipper696 on Jul 14, 2008 8:52 AM   
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Are animals privy to ethics? Does a carnivore consider the suffering it inflicts on it's food/victim?

Animals are ANIMALS, they are not ïnnocent" animals, humans are, by reason of their intellect and manual dexterity top of the food chain. We are just SMARTER than animals, that's how it is.
In the absence of any proof of a "God" there is no strength to the argument that animals are "God's creatures" and need or require special treatment.
Animals kill and eat other animals all the time, it's part of the process of living (and dying). We as upright apes are just better equipped to kill other animals, just accept it.

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» It's called anthropomorphism Posted by: zooeyhall
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Life feeds on death
Posted by: pomes on Jul 14, 2008 9:19 AM   
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This is an interesting talk because it brings up some timeless questions. The most timeless question it brings up in my mind is the cycle of life. Animal life is sustained only by the death of other life, whether it is plants or other animals. We end life to sustain ours, by definition. Our continued existence requires the proteins, minerals, and other substances that only other life can provide.

Plants kill each other too in vicious ways, unconsciously. They choke each other out for root space. They stand over each other for access to the sun.

The hunter/gatherer mode is the dominant mode of human's existence. It is what our bodies have evolved to use over the millenia. Hunter/gatherer societies lived mostly on big game, supplemented with nuts, berries, and other edibles. Agriculture was minimal and nonexistant. Consequently the religions of such society were tied with bonds of respect to the animals they hunted. The last thing any tribe of hunters would countenance is the death or extinction of their beloved animal.

Agriculture works by denying access to nature. Crops must be fenced in. Wildlife must be driven away or killed. Agriculture takes land away from nature in a way that hunting does not. Extinction of this animal or that is of no consequence, in fact it means more land to fence off. Consequently, the religions of agricultural societies tend to be heirarhical and brutal, putting man at the crown of all things and a power elite at the crown of man.

Hunting is social by nature. A band of hunters works together to bring down the big game, and that game must be shared with the village because of its sheer size. Agriculture is anti-social by nature. Agriculture can be stored and corralled, restricted, stockpiled, used to feed standing armies, and so on.

I think humans should wisely and compassionately apply all their knowledge and talents. The precludes brutal factory farming methods in my mind, but not the open range livestock. People just need to see there is another side to everything, which must be understood to fully understand the issue.

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humans are- and have been- lunch
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jul 14, 2008 9:19 AM   
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and can be and have been for more beasties out there. So I agree fully with your post. The author seems to think that animals are something pure and free of original sin. Again a perfect example of anthropomorphism.

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Happy Omnivorous Atheist
Posted by: dudelette on Jul 14, 2008 9:49 AM   
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Argue what God's will is among yourselves, but evolution indicates that we are omnivores. Do I eat the estimated two pounds of meat per day an average American does? No. Some days I don't eat any meat. Occasionally I may eat a half pound.

I purchase grass fed beef, free range chicken, vegetarian eggs from cage free chickens, and organic milk from unpenned cattle. This can be expensive, but it's worth it to me to know the animals have some dignity and a normal life, and it's a healthier choice.

Believe what you want, but don't force your belief system on me.

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» RE: Happy Omnivorous Atheist Posted by: satyagirl
Plants feel pain, as well
Posted by: mejsmith on Jul 14, 2008 10:12 AM   
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If one is being a vegan for moral or compassionate reasons, then one should be aware that plants feel pain (or at least react to pain stimuli), as well. You may have to rejoin the links, as I had to separate them in order to post them, so sorry.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query /0,,-83446,00.html
http://ds9.botanik.uni-bonn.de /zellbio/AG-Baluska-Volkmann/plantneuro /pdf/NeuroPlantTZ-Biologia.pdf
http://brianoconnor.typepad.com/animal_crackers /2004/08/lobsters_plant_.html

While I agree our present farming system is unnecessarily cruel, it is impossible to avoid feeding off living things, no matter how hard one tries. The only two options are to eat things that are alive or that once lived or die of starvation. I'm not for starving, OTOH, there need to be a more ethical and sustainable form of farming that is less cruel to the animals involved and less harmful to the environment.

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history has turned another page
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 10:18 AM   
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In a 1989 interview with the Animals' Agenda, Reverend Andrew Linzey, an Anglican priest and author of Christianity and the Rights of Animals, insisted: "...my primary loyalty is to God, and not to the church. You see, I don’t think the claims of the church and the claims of God are identical...The church is a very human institution, a frail human institution, and it often gets things wrong. Indeed, it’s worse than that. It’s often a stumbling block and often a scandal."

Linzey expressed optimism from a study of history: "Let’s take your issue of slavery. If you go back in history, say 200 years, you’ll find intelligent, conscientious, loving Christians defending slavery, because they hardly gave it two thoughts. If they were pressed, they might have said, ‘Slavery is part of progress, part of the Christianization of the dark races.’

"A hundred or perhaps as little as 50 years later, what you suddenly find is that the very same Christian community that provided one of the major ideological defenses of slavery had begun to change its mind...here is a classic example of where the Christian tradition has been a force for slavery and a force for liberation.

"Now, just think of the difficulties that those early Christian abolitionists had to face. Scripture defended slavery. For instance, in Leviticus 25, you’re commanded to take the child of a stranger as a slave...St. Paul simply said that those who were Christian slaves should be better Christians. Almost unanimously, apart from St. Gregory, the church fathers defended slavery, and for almost 1800 years, Christians defended and supported slavery. So, in other words, the change that took place within the Christian community on slavery is not just significant, it is historically astounding.

"Now, I give that example because I believe the case of animals is in many ways entirely analogous. We treat animals today precisely as we treated slaves, and the theological arguments are often entirely the same or have the same root. I believe the movement for animal rights is the most significant movement in Christianity, morally, since the emancipation of the slaves. And it provides just as many difficulties for the institutional church..."

Christians have found themselves unable to agree upon many pressing moral issues—including abortion. Exodus 21:22-24 says if two men are fighting and one injures a pregnant woman and the child is killed, he shall repay her according to the degree of injury inflicted upon her, and not the fetus. On the other hand, the Didache (Apostolic Church teaching) forbade abortion.

"There has to be a frank recognition that the Christian church is divided on every moral issue under the sun: nuclear weapons, divorce, homosexuality, capital punishment, animals, etc.," says Reverend Linzey. "I don’t think it’s desirable or possible for Christians to agree upon every moral issue. And, therefore, I think within the church we have no alternative but to work within diversity."

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I Am an Animal
Posted by: nen on Jul 14, 2008 10:20 AM   
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I don't think of myself as "better than" other animals biologically. I count myself lucky to be at the top of the food chain. Some animals eat meat. Some animals do not. Some eat both meat and plant-matter.

I am one of these third types of animal, an Omnivore. Telling me that I ought not to eat meat is like telling a lion or a raccoon that they ought to eat only salads.

I eat meat because it tastes good, but more importantly the animal fat is what causes me to feel full. I can eat rice and greens all I like and be hungry not an hour later.

I am not Christian and therefore do not appreciate the religious arguments in this article. That is not to say that I am against Christian thought. Not at all. Believe what you like. But I refuse to spend the rest of my life hungry for the sake of a few bleeding hearts.

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» RE: I Am an Animal Posted by: dliv
Dear is no better than sexists and racists
Posted by: carcinoid112 on Jul 14, 2008 10:22 AM   
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Not everybody has the same physiology. One person may well be able to 'exist' without some of the things available only in meat/chicken/fish. Another may not be able to live without that intake.

I have a specifically insidious cancer (see my screen name) that pretty much means I HAVE to have lots of high quality protein. I also have half a stomach and a perpetually dysfunctional digestive system. NOW, let's add my very own egg allergy.

If I don't eat sufficient protein, I bruise easily and pass out and fall down. This is generally considered a bad thing, right? Yet Alternet regularly assaults my integrity with articles of this type. I can't be a person of peace, I can't be a Progressive, I can't be blah, blah, blah--because I eat meat.

So, my physiology and my illness NOW make me a second class human being?? Dammit, I THOUGHT I was out of that second class ghetto when it became acceptable to be female and not get relegated to the back of the Humanity Bus.

I guess I'm lucky that my African-American heritage doesn't show much, or I'd be a triple damned person.

It's a disgrace that "People of Peace" feel they're so much Holier Than ALL Thou, based on their dietary abilities.

And I'm so NOT shocked to see that Dear is a Jesuit. Just the kind of attitude one would expect from a Jesuit! (Now, isn't that fun? Categorizing someone based on MY perception of them?? What can you expect? HE has predetermined that I lack worth...it's self fulfilling prophecy!)

One learns to recognize intolerance early on. Fr. Dear is intolerant, and that's certainly in opposition to his supposed message.

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It still makes sense to eat lower on the food chain
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 10:23 AM   
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Meat-eaters indirectly kill ten times as many plants as do vegetarians!

Significant environmental damage results from livestock agriculture, often driving many other species into extinction. The existence of dodo birds was first recorded in the early 1500s by Portuguese Sailors. The dodo, which weighed about 50 pounds, was incapable of defending itself and could not flee from its enemies, since it lacked the ability to fly. Large numbers of these birds were killed by human beings for food. Additionally, pigs that were brought to the islands destroyed a significant portion of the dodos' eggs, creating a severe decline in the dodo population. The species became extinct by the 18th century.

The Steller's sea cow once inhabited the coastal waters of the Commander Islands in the Bering Sea. Russian Sealers, who were the first to record the existence of these creatures in 1741, estimated the entire population to be about 5,000. Their meat was considered a delicacy by Russian sealers, who decimated the entire species by 1768.

The Labrador duck has been extinct since 1875. This species formerly inhabited the coastal regions of northeastern Canada. The extinction of the passenger pigeon was caused by the American westward expansion in the second half of the 19th century. As passenger pigeons became a popular food item, the numbers of this species rapidly diminished. Millions were slaughtered each year and shipped by railway cars to be sold in city markets. Another bird to become extinct because of its use as food was the heath hen, which became extinct about 1932.

The pacific sardine lives along the coasts of North America from Alaska to southern California. Sardines, once a major part of the California fishing industry, are now considered to be "commercially extinct." Another species classified as "commercially extinct" is the New England haddock. Ecologists have also been concerned about the significant reduction in finfish, the Atlantic bluefin tuna, Lake Erie cisco, and blackfins that inhabit Lakes Huron and Michigan.

More than 200,000 porpoises are killed every year by fishermen seeking tuna in the Pacific. Sea turtles are similarly killed in Caribbean shrimp operations. Some animals are killed because, as carnivores, they compete with the human predator for the right to kill other animals for food, including wild game and domesticated species raised by livestock ranchers. Alaskan hunters are eager to reduce the wolf population in their state because this animal is a predator of moose.

Cougars, coyotes and wolves are considered a menace to the cattle and sheep industries, and livestock ranchers have engaged in a large-scale campaign to exterminate them. Two species of wolves are now endangered, and very few wolves can be found in the United States except in Alaska and northeastern Minnesota. The relatively small number of eagles in the U.S. is largely due to the destruction of this species by livestock ranchers, particularly those in the sheep business.

Herbivorous animals that inhabit rangeland areas are also killed by the livestock industry because they compete with cattle arid sheep for food. Large numbers of kangaroos are being exterminated in Australia, while in the United States livestock ranchers seek to destroy wild horses, wild burros, deer, elk, antelope and prairie dogs.

An ever-increasing amount of beef eaten in the United States is imported from Central and South America. To provide pasture for cattle, these countries have been clearing their priceless tropical rainforests. In 1960, when the U. S. first began to import beef, Central America was blessed with 130,000 square miles of rainforest. But now, less than 80,000 square miles remain. At this rate, the entire tropical rainforests of Central America will be gone in another forty years.

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Karmic Free Meat
Posted by: gypsyfarm on Jul 14, 2008 10:27 AM   
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I mostly eat dumpster dived meat and road kill!

Hey it's Karmic free meat.

Think of all the dogs and cats we kill every year, another opportunity to readjust our balance of trade with Korea and China. It would seem more responsible than just killing them.

I also raise my own chickens. My hens usually live fairly long lives... mean roosters don't.

Bottom feeders Rule!

Remember Live is a terminal illness.

Gypsyfarm

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Karmic Free Meat
Posted by: gypsyfarm on Jul 14, 2008 10:28 AM   
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I mostly eat dumpster dived meat and road kill!

Hey it's Karmic free meat.

Think of all the dogs and cats we kill every year, another opportunity to readjust our balance of trade with Korea and China. It would seem more responsible than just killing them.

I also raise my own chickens. My hens usually live fairly long lives... mean roosters don't.

Bottom feeders Rule!

Remember Life is a terminal illness.

Gypsyfarm

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Alternative action
Posted by: Truth2 on Jul 14, 2008 10:52 AM   
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This author says "vegetarianism is the best way to eliminate world hunger and to sustain the environment."

But there is an alternative: Significantly reduce our population.

That causes every problem our civilization faces today.

Then, do not use crowded cages or pens. We know that is very destructive to the animals. Use only free living animals, fish and other wildlife.

Truth 2

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» RE: Alternative action Posted by: pomes
Humans have evolved into eating meat, the catholic church needs to evolve into birth control.
Posted by: tclaverdure on Jul 14, 2008 11:25 AM   
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Ok sure, its a no brainer. Too many people who eat meat, too many people period.

How about advocating POPULATION control? The empire of the catholic church has done more harm keeping condoms from the masses than any single cattle farmer, period.

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Its as bad as a Hummer driver having a Green Party sticker on its bumper. The church telling anyone on how to live, when the church is a nanny state based on power plays and manipulations is SILLY.

RUBBERS FOR THE MASSES

Secular Transhumanism as a way of life.

Religion is superstition wrapped in silk cloth, run from it, we do not need religion to have love for humanity and life in general. We need reason, period.

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One more time. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 14, 2008 12:08 PM   
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Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian.

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One more time, one more time. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 14, 2008 12:29 PM   
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The fact that Hitler ate eggs and dairy products still allows him to be considered a vegetarian; VEGANS ashew even those products. As for the pig's knuckles? Didn't know that -- IF it can be independently confirmed; being criticised for doing something does not necessarily mean one's actually done it (and God knows Hitler can be criticised for far, far, worse. . .).

Beyond all of this, though; equating vegetarianism with pacificity is silly on its face. History is choc-a-block with vegetarians who have committed crimes and meat-eaters who have committed wondrous acts of kindness. What would benefit us all more than worrying about whether meat-eaters are violence-prone, an unprovable idea, is to work to eliminate fuzzy thinking. I will admit, though, that being vegetarian in order to more efficiently utilize Earth's food supply has merit, for provable, scientific reasons.

Be careful though of the Law of Unintended Consequences; this could actually lead to an increase in the increase of population, as pressure is removed from the food supply. What is also needed is worldwide education in birth control and more equitible distribution of Earth's bounty.

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Low Meat
Posted by: PaulK on Jul 14, 2008 12:31 PM   
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We live on hundreds of nutrients that we didn't know existed 200 years ago. We probably need hundreds more. Dietary science is all about discovering that eating limes prevents scurvy, cod liver oil cures some other dread disease, and the lycopene in ketchup is useful too.

Right now, the smart vegetarians don't get sick, but the dumb ones do. Lots of them. I don't ask why. For that matter, certain yoga practitioners get injured a lot until they quit.

One partial solution for me is to eat less meat. I still get my B-12 and who knows what else, and I feel good.

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Religious Proclamation for Animal Compassion
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 12:58 PM   
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The Rev. Steve Keplinger:

We are on the verge of not only destroying all of God's creatures, but we are now beginning to
realize, finally, that this is threatening humanity's existence too.

I would dearly love to tell you as an Episcopal priest that it is the secular world that has caused this broken relationship between ourselves and the rest of creation. But the truth of the matter is that this is our fault, the religious leaders of today's world. We have not interpreted our sacred texts for our present day situation. We have not followed the example of our predecessors of identifying those most abused in our culture; and then taking the necessary steps to change the way of thinking that causes that abuse.

Why have we not responded when the pain and suffering we have perpetrated on animal populations is so obvious? From my own Christian tradition's perspective, my best guess is that it is an accident of history. When Christianity first came in contact with indigenous groups like the Celts and the Druids who saw nature as God, church leaders were apparently so fearful of pantheism that they began speaking of God only as transcendent, as totally separate from us. All those descriptions in our sacred text that describe God as being intimately with us were buried in favor of a God far away. This seems a bit absurd for a religion based on a God that became one of us. But that's what we did.

So while Colossians says, "There is only one Christ - he is everything and he is in everything." Christianity decided to reject this notion altogether. We would totally break our relationship with the animals and the rest of God's creation.

The time has now come to recapture the God of all creation. The time has come for us to identify the animals as the ones in our time that are being rejected, oppressed and segregated. Then we, like the religious leaders that have come before us, must be the impetus for creating a gigantic shift in our culture that convinces the world that we must be in relationship with our animals and all of God's creation again. We must change our worldview entirely. Animals, my friends, are not a resource. They deserve to live in dignity and we are called by each of our faith traditions to bring that dignity to them.

This Religious Proclamation for Animal Compassion is, in my mind, the perfect first step in bringing this seismic change about. In forming it, we brought together leaders from faith traditions that have recently been polarized from one another. That, in itself is so critical in today's fragmented society. But even more importantly, this Proclamation focuses us on the task ahead.

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IN THE CAUSE OF PEACE...
Posted by: blurider on Jul 14, 2008 1:41 PM   
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.... the last thing we need is a FOOD FIGHT!

All PETA members line up on the EXTREME right - if you ever touched a live animal or you know which end of the animal the food goes in and from which end the shit comes out, stand on the left of the right line! If not - you're right, right - a stereotypical PETA guy!

If you believe in miracles and old stories passed down thru the generations until someone wrote them down and they became legitimized by sheer numbers get in line #2 - Christians on the right, please and progressing leftward through Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, etc, etc. If in doubt, just ask!
Ask someone in line please - if you pray about it we'll all wind up waiting for your revelation.

Now, if you belong to a superstition -eerrrr, a religion - which thinks meat OK but PORK awful, or if you have other notions about diet that might have had some practical application in the past but are just silly in modern times there's a line for you!

If your meat is organic and grass fed line up here! If you love blubber over here and if you eat only fast food over there.

If you can't drink milk without thinkin' about where it came from but prefer your eggs soft boiled there's a line for you!

If you profit from the food industry without actually touching food, get in line #6. If you eat meat but never saw an animal die or if for any other reason you don't have a grasp of where your food comes from, line #7 please - over there with your head in the sand like the others.

OH!! and if you believe that animals left to nature's law, alone in the wild, just go off and die peacefully - of 'natural' causes - we have a line for you but you must face rearward, keeping 'predator watch' for those with their heads in the sand!

There's a line for people whose choices have made them healthy and a line for those who've been 'failed' by their choices, their heredity or their bodies.

A line for people who are unhealthy from bad choices and another for people who are 'victims' - no whining, please!

Now we're getting organized! As soon as we codify the food, caste system in all it's elegant and refined, final detail, we'll have a real, unified peace movement.

Soon as we finish this food fight we'll be ready to tackle the niggling little problems of population, resource allocation, manifest destiny, colonialism, nuclear proliferation and so on...!!

Finally, I must add that I do believe that fruits, veggies, seeds and nuts are PART OF a healthy diet. That vegetarian meals and occasional vegetarian days are good for the body and the planet.
I know they say that strict (rigid) vegetarians live longer but I guar-an-damn-tee you that it just seems longer!

Do the terms 'arrogant' or 'presumptuous' mean anything to the author? Can you say 'rational'?

At this time I'm very pleased that no one left Alternet or their writers totally in charge of the 'Department of Peace', aren't you?!

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Just another example of religious intolerance
Posted by: oneangrypatriot on Jul 14, 2008 2:09 PM   
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For Mr. Dear to proclaim in the title of his article that "The Only Diet for a Peacemaker Is a Vegetarian Diet" is ridiculous on its face. Using quotes from the bible to justify his intolerance of meat eaters is even more ridiculous. The bible can be quoted to justify anything, including cannibalism.

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed." - John 6:53-55

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Food Fight...
Posted by: maddasein on Jul 14, 2008 2:18 PM   
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My oh my! I can't believe all the arguing that's going on in these comments. While I don't agree with this article and am oftentimes offended by some vegetarian/vegan arguments as to why we ALL should adopt their lifestyle, I respect every single person's opinion and choice as to how they structure their diet.

So let's look at nature. Our Homo ancestors were able to develop large brains due to higher protein consumption... which came from meat. Look at our cousins, the chimpanzees, even they consume meat from time to time. Additionally, archaeological findings prove that early humans were hunter/gatherer and they were able to survive for thousands of years until agriculture arose. Even modern day hunter/gatherers are extremely healthy (more so than most of us) given their natural diet consisting of meat.

I applaud those who can be healthy living as a vegetarian or vegan and support their right to choose that lifestyle. I myself need meat a couple of times a week or else I feel sick. I have a very balanced diet as I combine some meat with lots of fruits and vegetables and I feel great.

I wish that people would stop trying to guilt others into a lifestyle that just isn't suited for them. Instead we should band together to figure out a better way to deal with factory farming (which is indeed disgusting) and create a world which is healthier for humans and the environment. That's just my 2 cents.

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The morality of the Catholic Church
Posted by: PeterW on Jul 14, 2008 2:36 PM   
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Surprise, surprise, the Church of the Pedophiles is going to lecture the world on morality. Or is it the church of the Crusades, or maybe the Inquisition. Or maybe the church that has no respect for woman? When the world learns to ignore these superstitious organizations, then we will have peace.

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» RE: The morality of the Catholic Church Posted by: oneangrypatriot
Haven't heard from any farmers
Posted by: Dan Peper on Jul 14, 2008 2:52 PM   
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I admit I did not read all the comments but most. No farmers are represented. As a part time farmer I'll state a bit from my experience. The best farming "systems" I have seen use animals to compliment grain or vegatable production. This would usually include long term rotations between pastures and crop fields. Short term rotations with in the pastures. One excellent, ecologically sound farmer I know raises Beef, chickens and vegatables. He makes little off the beef or chickens. But because of them he makes good profit on his vegatables. Obviously he is not a typical farmer. Rotational grazing (for meat or dairy) is the only method of raising human food while at the same time improving the land I know of. It seems most of these articles are written by people not very involved in food production. So many facts and figures thrown out with no first hand knowledge to back it up. Do not give up eating meat. Reduce your consumption (of all foods) and know how it was raised. Quality over quantity.
Dan P

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The Liberation of Life
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 3:29 PM   
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The Glauberg Confession is a theological statement of faith made before a God whose love extends to all His creatures. It reads as follows:

"We confess before God, the Creator of the Animals, and before our fellow Men; We have failed as Christians, because we forgot the animals in our faith.

"As theologians we were not prepared to stand up against scientific and philosophical trends inimical to life with the Theology of Creation. We have betrayed the diaconical mission of Jesus, and not served our least brethren, the animals.

"As pastors we were scared to give room to animals in our churches and parishes.

"As the Church, we were deaf to the ‘groaning in travail’ of our mistreated and exploited fellow-creatures.

"We justify the Glauberg Confession theologically.

"We read the statements in the Bible about Creation and regard for our fellow-creatures with new eyes and new interest. We know how tied up we are with Nature, linked with every living thing—and under the same threat.

"The rediscovery of the theology of Creation has also turned our regard upon the animals, our poorest brothers and sisters. We perceive that as theologically thinking and working Christians we owe them a change of attitude.

"We justify our Confession pastorally.

"For years many people actively engaged in animal welfare have been waiting for us ministers of religion to take up the cause of animal rights. Many of them have quit the Church in disappointment because no clear witness was given for the animals in the field of theology, in the Church’s social work or in the parishes, either in word or in deed. The task of winning back the trust of these people who dedicate their time, money, energy and sometimes their health to reconciliation with the animals, is a pastoral challenge to us."

Reverend Marc Wessels says of The Glauberg Confession:

"It speaks simply but eloquently on behalf of those who have determined that they will no longer support a theology of human dictatorship that is against God’s other creatures...

"This brief statement was written during the spring of 1988 and was signed by both Roman Catholic and Protestant clergy who participated in its framing.

"It was signed by men and women of religious orders, as well as by laity. Both academics and average church members have indicated their support for the document by signing it.

"Growing numbers of people around the globe are also adding their own personal declaration of support by forwarding their names to the covenors of the confession."

"Increasingly, during this century Christians have come to understand the gospel, the Good News, in terms of freedom, both freedom from oppression and freedom for life with God and others. Too often, however, this freedom has been limited to human beings, excluding most other creatures, as well as the earth.

"This freedom cannot be so limited because if we destroy other species and the ecosystem, human beings cannot live. This freedom should not be so limited because other creatures, both species and individuals, deserve to live in and for themselves and for God. Therefore, we call on Christians as well as other people of good will to work towards the liberation of life, all life."

---World Council of Churches
"The Liberation of Life," 1988

In "The Liberation of Life," the World Council of Churches, a politically left-liberal organization with worldwide influence, has taken the strongest animal protection position of any Christian body.

This document urges parishioners buy "cruelty-free" products, boycott animal furs and skins. It asks that meat, eggs and dairy products be purchased from humane sources (or avoided altogether) and not patronize animal entertainment

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Jefferson's thoughts on the matter
Posted by: oneangrypatriot on Jul 14, 2008 4:31 PM   
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"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

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Meat is tasty.
Posted by: Starfall Deception on Jul 14, 2008 4:47 PM   
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I like my meat, thank you very much. And I am going to eat it. And nobody can stop me.

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» RE: Meat is tasty. Posted by: theminutepast
PETA AND the Catholic Church? Yikes
Posted by: Gravitas on Jul 14, 2008 5:31 PM   
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It looks like some Catholics are trying to remount their moral high horses after all the scandals. So they are capitalizing on vegetarianism to continue their moralizing. What is old is new again, they certainly have a history of imposing guilt on issues of both food and sex! (Do as they say, not as they do!) Peta and the Catholic Church! Look out for the vegitarian inquisition! I am sure there are better jokes than that in there but I am too tired and PC to think of them! (An ex Catholic!)

p.s. If you want to feed the planet, quit harping against birth control!

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International Network for Religion and Animals (INRA)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 5:55 PM   
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A 1980 United Nations report states that women constitute half the world’s population, perform nearly two-thirds of its work hours, yet receive one-tenth of the world’s income and own less than one-hundredth of the world’s property.

The impact of the women’s movement upon the church is being heralded as a Second Reformation. Women are now being ordained as priests, pastors and ministers, while patriarchal references to the Almighty as "Father" are replaced with the gender-neutral "Parent." Jesus Christ is designated the "Child of God."

The words of Scripture—the words of the apostle Paul—on this subject are seen today not as a divine revelation, but rather as an embarrassment from centuries past:

"Let the women keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak. Instead, they must, as the Law says, be in subordination. If they wish to learn something, let them inquire of their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church...let a woman learn quietly with complete submission. I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to domineer over a man; instead she is to keep still. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, since she was deceived, experienced the transgression. She will, however, be kept safe through the child-bearing, if with self-control she continues in faith and love and consecration." (I Corinthians 14:34-35; I Timothy 2:11-15)

Many churches now claim these instructions were merely temporary frameworks used to build churches in the first century pagan world—they are not to be taken as universal absolutes for all eternity. If churches, Scripture and Christianity can adapt and be redefined or reinterpreted in a changing world to end injustices towards women, they can certainly do the same towards animals.

The International Network for Religion and Animals (INRA) was founded in 1985 by Virginia Bouraquardez. Its educational and religious programs are meant to "bring religious principles to bear upon humanity’s attitude towards the treatment of our animal kin...and, through leadership, materials, and programs, to successfully interact with clergy and laity from many religious traditions."

According to INRA:

"Religion counsels the powerful to be merciful and kind to those weaker than themselves, and most of humankind is at least nominally religious. But there is a ghastly paradox. Far from showing mercy, humanity uses its dominion over other animal species to pen them in cruel close confinement; to trap, club, and harpoon them; to poison, mutilate, and shock them in the name of science; to kill them by the billions; and even to blind them in excruciating pain to test cosmetics.

"Some of these abuses are due to mistaken understandings of religious principles; others, to a failure to apply those principles. Scriptures need to be fully researched concerning the relationship of humans to nonhuman animals, and to the entire ecological structure of Nature. Misinterpretations of scripture taken out of context, or based upon questionable theological assumptions need to be re-examined."

On Earth Day, 1990, Reverend Marc Wessels, Executive Director of INRA observed:

"It is a fact that no significant social reform has yet taken place in this country without the voice of the religious community being heard. The endeavors of the abolition of slavery; the women’s suffrage movement; the emergence of the pacifist tradition during World War I; the struggles to support civil rights, labor unions, and migrant farm workers; and the anti-nuclear and peace movements have all succeeded in part because of the power and support of organized religion. Such authority and energy is required by individual Christians and the institutional church today if the liberation of animals is to become a reality."

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omnivore
Posted by: cosmos on Jul 14, 2008 6:54 PM   
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The most important thing people can do is to work with the planet the way it is. Just because we humans have abused the balance doesn't mean we should refuse to eat what is possible to digest. That is completely first world. I have a saying: America plays with its food. No person who is hungry would or could refuse to eat what is possible to digest. We need to be positive and start supporting local farmers who raise animals responsibly. These farmers and folks do not consider animals as just friends but as partners for life. I am frankly sick of the loss of physical and spiritual and emotional understanding of this issue. The planet is all about eating itself and regenerating itself and transforming itself. Jesus himself said EAT MY BODY AND DRINK MY BLOOD -- possibly the most profound expression of what the cosmos is about ever uttered by a human much less one that lived more than 2000 years ago. He meant 'INGEST all of me so that I can love you by living in you' no holds barred. Pretty radical. Can we hold the gorgeous animals and plants on the planet who eat each other in ways we find abhorrent in our hearts and in our bodies with the respect they deserve and eat the planet as we are meant to do? They are the planet. They are the soil. They are the grasses shining on the plains. Aren't we part of that magnificent reality? Isn't it amazing that creatures such as we who are bald, clawless, scaleless, practically toothless are able to survive? We survive on the backs of animals and plants to which we are indebted. Let's try to understand things better before we remove from our diets one of the things that explains why we have survived over eons and continue to do so in all different climates. This issue is not about peace. Let's not confuse basic biology with justice issues on a global scale. If you have a problem with a particular grocer or butcher or farmer, take it up with them. Directly. Don't call dietary preference 'peace and justice' until you've dealt with the particular offender one by one.

I know a member of PETA who is very close. She hammered the Trident missile etc. and went to jail for quite a while and is still very much involved. She is very wise. Enjoy working for peace. It is all that is important. I thank you for your work.

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Whoa there!
Posted by: boing007 on Jul 14, 2008 6:55 PM   
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And animals figure in the Hebrew Bible. Isaiah 11, a vision of reconciled creation, dreams of a day when "the wolf shall be a guest of the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; the calf and the young lion shall browse together with a little child to guide them. The cow and the beast shall be neighbors, together their young shall rest. The lion shall eat hay like the ox. The baby shall play by the cobra's den and the child lay his hand on the adder's lair. There shall be no harm or ruin on all my holy mountain, for the earth shall be filled with knowledge of the God of peace, as water covers the sea." (Isaiah 11:1-9)

You might one day convince all humans to become vegetarians but I doubt if you will ever convince lions to stop eating meat.

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theological views on hunting (part 1)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 9:22 PM   
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According to the Torah (Genesis 6:9), Noah is honored as a "tzaddik," or a righteous man. Commentators say this is because he provided charity ("tzedakah") for so many animals on the ark. The high level of awareness and concern given to the care and feeding of the animals aboard the ark reflects the traditional Jewish value of not causing harm to animals, or tsa’ar ba’alei chayim.

This moral principle—officially set down as law in the Torah and elaborated upon in the Talmud (Shabbat 128b), the medieval commentaries and the Responsa literature—permeates the many legends that grew up around the leading figures in the Torah and in Jewish history.

Kindness to animals was so valued by the Jewish tradition; it was also considered an important measure of a person’s piety, compassion and righteousness. From this value emerged the stories about how shepherds such as Moses and David were elevated to national leadership because of their compassion for their lambs. There are also many "maysehs," or moralistic folktales in Judaism about sages who rescued or fed stray cows and hungry chickens, watered thirsty horses and freed caged birds.

In the Talmud (Eruvin 100b), Rabbi Yochanon teaches, "Even if we had not been given the Torah, we still would have learned modesty from the cat, honesty from the ant, chastity from the dove, and good manners from the rooster. Thus, the animals should be honored."

According to the Talmud (Shabbat 77b), the entire creation is to be respected: "Thou thinkest that flies, fleas, mosquitos are superfluous, but they have their purpose in creation as a means of a final outcome...Of all that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created in His world, he did not create a single thing without purpose."

The Talmud (Avodah Zorah 18b) also forbids association with hunters. Rabbi Ezekiel Landau (1713-93) was once asked by a man if he could hunt on his large estate. The rabbi replied:

"In the Torah the sport of hunting is imputed only to fierce characters like Nimrod and Esau, never to any of the patriarchs and their descendants...I cannot comprehend how a Jew could even dream of killing animals merely for the pleasure of hunting...When the act of killing is prompted by that of sport, it is downright cruelty."

The Talmud (Gittin 62a) further teaches that one should not own a domestic or wild animal or even a bird if he cannot properly care for it. Although there is no general rule forbidding animal cruelty, so many biblical commandments call for humane treatment, the talmudic rabbis explicitly declared compassion for animals to be biblical law (Shabbat 128b).

The medieval work Sefer Chasidim, or The Book of the Pious, says, "Be kind and compassionate to all creatures that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created in this world. Never beat nor inflict pain on any animal, beast, bird or insect. Do not throw stones at a dog or a cat, nor should ye kill flies or wasps."

According to Shulhan Aruch, the Orthodox Code of Jewish Law, no special blessings are given for meat dishes. "It is not fitting to bless God over something which He created and which man has slain." It is also forbidden to celebrate the acquisition of a leather garment. Similarly, it is a custom never to wear leather shoes on Yom Kippur. "One does not ask for forgiveness of sins while wearing articles made from the skins of slaughtered animals."

Shulhan Aruch teaches: "It is forbidden, according to the Torah, to hurt any living creature. It is, on the contrary, one’s duty to save any living creature, be he ownerless, or if he belongs to a non-Jew."

Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch taught, "The boy, who in crude joy, finds delight in the convulsions of an injured beetle or the anxiety of a suffering animal will also be dumb towards human pain."

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theological views on hunting (part 2)
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 14, 2008 9:32 PM   
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Reverend J.R. Hyland notes:

"The Christian voices that were raised in protest against the wanton murder of animal beings were ignored. Even the repugnance toward hunting and hunters that was encoded in Catholic Canon Law, was ignored. 'Esau was a hunter because he was a sinner; and in the Holy Scriptures we do not find a single holy man being a hunter.' (From the Corpus Juris Canonici. Rome, 1582.)"

"Thanks be to God!" wrote John Wesley, founder of Methodism, to the Bishop of London in 1747. "Since the time I gave up the use of flesh-meats and wine, I have been delivered from all physical ills." Wesley based his vegetarianism on the Biblical prophecies concerning the Kingdom of Peace, where "on the new earth, no creature will kill, or hurt, or give pain to any other." He further taught that animals "shall receive an ample amends for all their present sufferings."

Wesley urged parents to educate their children about compassion for animals. He wrote: "I am persuaded you are not insensible of the pain given to every Christian, every humane heart, by those savage diversions, bull-baiting, cock-fighting, horse-racing, and hunting."

In a 1991 article entitled “Hunting: What Scripture Says,” Rick Dunkerly of Christ Lutheran Church observes:

“There are four hunters mentioned in the Bible: three in Genesis and one in Revelation. The first hunter is named Nimrod in Genesis 10:8-9. He is the son of Cush and founder of the Babylonian Empire, the empire that opposes God throughout Scripture and is destroyed in the Book of Revelation. In Micah 5:6, God’s enemies are said to dwell in the land of Nimrod. Many highly reputable evangelical scholars such as Barnhouse, Pink and Scofield regard Nimrod as a prototype of the anti-Christ.

“The second hunter is Ishmael, Abraham’s ‘son of the flesh’ by the handmaiden, Hagar. His birth is covered in Genesis 16 and his occupation in 21:20. Ishmael’s unfavorable standing in Scripture is amplified by Paul in Galatians 4:22-31.

“The third hunter, Esau, is also mentioned in the New Testament. His occupation is contrasted with his brother (Jacob) in Genesis 25:27. In Hebrews 12:16 he is equated with a ‘profane person’ (KJV). He is a model of a person without faith in God. Again, Paul elucidates upon this model unfavorably in Romans 9:8-13, ending with the paraphrase of Malachi 1:2-3: ‘Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.’

“The fourth hunter is found in Revelation 6:2, the rider of the white horse with the hunting bow. Scholars have also identified him as the so-called anti-Christ. Taken as a group, then, hunters fare poorly in the Bible. Two model God’s adversary and two model the person who lives his life without God.

“In Scripture,” notes Dunkerly, “the contrast of the hunter is the shepherd, the man who gently tends his animals and knows them fully. The shepherds of the Bible are Abel, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and David. Beginning in the 23rd Psalm, Jesus is identified as ‘the Good Shepherd.’

“As for hunting itself, both the Psalms and Proverbs frequently identify it with the hunter of souls, Satan. His devices are often called ‘traps’ and ‘snares,’ his victims ‘prey.’ Thus, in examining a biblical stance on the issue of hunting, we see the context is always negative, always dark in contrast to light...premeditated killing, death, harm, destruction. All of these are ramifications of the Fall. When Christ returns, all of these things will be ended...

“Of all people,” Dunkerly concludes, “Christians should not be the destroyers. We should be the healers and reconcilers. We must show NOW how it will be THEN in the Peaceable Kingdom of Isaiah 11:6 where ‘the wolf shall lie down with the lamb...and a little child shall lead them.'"

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Christianity and Vivisection
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 15, 2008 7:44 AM   
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In his book, Christianity and the Rights of Animals, the Reverend Andrew Linzey, an Anglican priest, writes:

"It does seem somewhat disingenuous for Christians to speak so solidly for human rights and then query the appropriateness of rights language when it comes to animals. The most consistent position is that of Raymond Frey, who opposes all claims for rights from a philosophical perspective, or that of Christians who consistently refrain from all such language."

According to Reverend Linzey:

"Raymond Frey, that dedicated opponent of rights theory, has sadly to conclude that ‘we cannot, without the appeal to benefit, justify (painful) animal experiments without justifying (painful) human experiments.’

"Frey accepts this even though he justifies experimentation on animals. Again, ‘The case for anti-vivisectionism, I think, is far stronger than most people allow,’ he writes. Alas, Frey does not seem to regard it as sufficiently strong to oppose experiments on animals or humans."

Cardinal, Henry Edward Manning (1808-92), spoke out against cruelty to animals, especially experimentation upon animals. In a letter dated July 13, 1891, he wrote: “We owe ourselves the duty not to be brutal or cruel; and we owe to God the duty of treating all His creatures according to His own perfections of love and mercy.”

A Roman Catholic priest, Msgr. LeRoy E. McWilliams of North Arlington, New Jersey, testified in October 1962 in favor of legislation to reduce the sufferings of laboratory animals. He told congressional representatives:

“The first book of the Bible tell us that God created the animals and the birds, so they have the same Father as we do. God’s Fatherhood extends to our ‘lesser brethren.’ All animals belong to God; He alone is their absolute owner. In our relations with them, we must emulate the divine attributes, the highest of which is mercy. God, their Father and Creator, loves them tenderly. He lends them to us and adjures us to use them as He Himself would do."”

Msgr. McWilliams also issued a letter to all seventeen thousand Catholic pastors in the United States, calling upon them to understand “what Christianity imposes on humans as their clear obligation to animals.”

Christian writer C.S. Lewis noted that animals were included in the first Passover. The application of the “blood of the lamb” on the doorposts, not only saved a man and his family from death that night in Egypt, it saved his animals as well. Lewis put forth a rational argument concerning the resurrection of animals in The Problem of Pain. His 1947 essay, “A Case for Abolition,” attacked vivisection (animal experimentation) and reads as follows:

“Once the old Christian idea of a total difference in kind between man and beast has been abandoned, then no argument for experiments on animals can be found which is not also an argument for experiments on inferior men. If we cut up beasts simply because they cannot prevent us and because we're backing up our own side in the struggle for existence, it is only logical to cut up imbeciles, criminals, enemies, or capitalists for the same reason. Indeed, experiments on men have already begun. We all hear that Nazi scientists have done them. We all suspect that our own scientists may begin to do so, in secret, at any moment.

“The victory of vivisection marks a great advance in the triumph of ruthless, non-moral utilitarianism over the old world of ethical law; a triumph in which we, as well as animals, are already the victims, and of which Dachau and Hiroshima mark the more recent achievements. In justifying cruelty to animals we put ourselves also on the animal level. We choose the jungle and must abide by our choice.”

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There's one MAJOR problem with a vegetarian diet...
Posted by: lexicon on Jul 15, 2008 1:43 PM   
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And that's a simple one, actually...


...you see, eating vegetarians poses so many ethical and moral issues, that I just don't even know where to start!

Besides, people are very, very reluctant to even ADMIT that they have vegetarian recipes, never mind sharing the good ones.

What are the best cuts? marinate or baste? Free-range or corn-fed?

A diet that includes carnivores and vegetarians is far more egalitarian.


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you know what? screw it all. I'm going back to eating phytoplankton, or maybe some occasional krill or pond-scum. Staying right the heck away from anything that has identifiable sex organs...which leaves fungus out of the mix.

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Vegetarianism and Nonviolence
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 15, 2008 3:16 PM   
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In an article entitled “The Primacy of Nonviolence as a Virtue,” appearing in Embracing Earth: Catholic Approaches to Ecology (1994), Brother Wayne Teasdale wrote: “One key answer to a culture’s preoccupation with violence is to teach, insist on, and live the value of nonviolence. It can be done successfully, and it has been done for more than 2,500 years by Jains and Buddhists.

“Neither Jainism nor Buddhism has ever supported war or personal violence; this nonviolence extends to all sentient beings. Christianity can learn something valuable from these traditions. This teaching on nonviolence has been incarnated in the lives of Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Fourteenth Dalai Lama with significant results...”

According to Teasdale:

“...it is necessary to elevate nonviolence to a noble place in our civilization of loving-compassion because nonviolence as ahimsa in the Hindu tradition, a tradition that seems to possess the most advanced understanding of nonviolence, IS love! Love is the goal and ultimate nature of nonviolence as an inner disposition and commitment of the heart. It is the fulfillment of love and compassion in the social sphere, that is, in the normal course of relations among people in the matrix of society.”

Brother Aelred (Robert Edmunds), a Catholic monk living in Australia, discusses the moral question of killing animals for food in his book Encounter: Christ and Krishna. He points out that Jesus Christ greatly expanded the interpretation of the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” to include not getting angry without cause.

“My position is that Jesus’ teachings on mercy in the Beatitudes require an open-ended ethical inquiry” writes Brother Aelred. “I ask, for example, how a Christian may speak of ‘mercy’ in the terms of Jesus Christ, and deny mercy to creatures of God who, as we do, experience fear and suffering. Isn’t it the case that Jesus constantly went beyond the ‘letter of the law’ to its spirit?”

Brother Aelred quotes the prophecies of Isaiah (11:6-9, 65:25) concerning the coming Kingdom of Peace. “The passage sees a time when pain and bloodshed will be no more; when prey and devourer will be reconciled. What a vision! Even if the passage is seen as just poetic exaggeration, it is clear that there is hope for a future which will be very different to the world we know. And surely we, as Christians, must be part of this ‘peace process.’ Perhaps our main burden, as Christians, is to be part of this message of hope and reconciliation.”

Brother Aelred ends with the following:

“An Anglican Franciscan superior, in Australia, tells his novices that if they wish to eat flesh they must go out and themselves kill the animal. The moral responsibility must be theirs alone. I consider this a thoroughly sound position, and any Christian reading this article might well reflect on the brother’s teaching. In conclusion, I must report a sad truth. My own Christian formation taught me many things of great value, but ‘respect for all things living’ was not part of that formation. It was other religious traditions and ‘secular’ insights which gave me teaching in this area.”

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humans are not frugivores
Posted by: AdamG on Jul 15, 2008 8:11 PM   
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and Peter Singer is no scientist. I'm not sure subscribing to the propaganda of a man who condones buggerin' animals but then says eating them is bad is the best idea, either.

For frugivores, we sure have a small pancreas and a huge liver. Metabolically, we are more similar to pigs than any other primate. And as for other primates, actually, they do eat other smaller mammals when presented with the opportunity. I bet a chimp would just love a pork chop.

And as for the main thrust of this article, it is just a bunch of moralistic, elitist bullshit. When it comes down to it, we need to lead ourselves and I for one won't be told what to do by some self aggrandising pompous vegan asshole.

I will continue to raise my own food, plant and animal and there isn't anything you, the author, or any other moralising vegan missionary can do to stop me.

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View from a Christian
Posted by: hilly7 on Jul 15, 2008 8:42 PM   
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While I'm not an advocate of any type of corporate farming, this is yet another ignorant view expressed by someone that actually doesn't have a clue about real farming. Bet your noy going to last long in the coming famine.

Yea, someone commented on cows and animals drinking water, they were here first, remember. My wife and I farm, we eat meat, and we eat crops, canned greenbeans again tonight.

I must wonder, do people really know where that fertilizer comes from? Check oil prices and you will get a hint. My wife and I use cow manure from our cattle, which free range but seem to shit in the barn. Chances are, your vegies were grown in petro chemical fertlizers and sprayed with chemicals we will not even use on our enemies during war (Bush excluded).

I would suspect that someone like Monsantos (see evil), have either had the writer write the article, or found another brain dead soul, Mercury does wonders. Evil, opposite of good. They can control through genetic manipulation plants, probably can animals, but definately plants. They also sell great stuff like PROWL to grow foods in, don't want those pesky weeds now do we.

Now as far as Jesus don't want us eating it, one word...fish. He ate fish! Of course they were probably clean fish, not the tainted ones we have like today, polluted by run off of petro chemicals like fertilizer, pesticides, & herbicides from corporate vegetable and fruit farms.

Native Americans ate both. Most religious people ate both. Christians ate both. I suspect this is a new smell to an old bull.

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Buddhism and Vegetarianism
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 15, 2008 9:59 PM   
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In 261 B.C., the Indian emperor Ashoka witnessed firsthand the innumerable casualties he caused during one of his many military campaigns. His heart was filled with grief. He converted to Buddhism. 19th century scholar and writer H.G. Wells considered Ashoka's conversion to Buddhism one of the most significant events in world history.

Ashoka, formerly a bloody and ruthless emperor, became a remarkably kind and gentle leader. Ashoka established some of the first animal rights laws. He stopped the royal hunt, the sacrifice of animals in his capital city, the killing of animals for food in the royal kitchens, and gave up the eating of meat. Ashoka made it illegal to kill many species of animals, such as parrots, ducks, geese, bats, turtles, squirrels, monkeys and rhinos. He forbade the killing of pregnant animals, or animals that were nursing their young. He declared certain days to be "non-killing days," on which fish could not be caught, nor any other animals killed. He established wells and watering holes, places of rest and hospitals for humans and animals alike.

Ashoka educated his people to have compassion for animals, and to refrain from killing or harming them. He sent missionaries to all the neighboring kingdoms to teach mercy, compassion and nonviolence. Through Ashoka's patronage, Buddhism was spread all over the Indian subcontinent. Buddhism would eventually reach the rest of Asia; today there are an estimated 300 to 600 million Buddhists worldwide.

The first precept of Buddhism is: "Do not kill, but rather preserve and cherish all life."

The Buddhist emperor Ashoka (268-223 BC) declared in one of his famous Pillar Edicts: "I have enforced the law against killing certain animals..The greatest progress of Righteousness among men comes from the exhortation in favor of non-injury to life and abstention from killing living beings."

Mahayana Buddhism supports the vegetarian way of life. According to the Mahaparinirvana Sutra: "The eating of meat extinguishes the seed of great compassion."

The Lankavatara Sutra says:

"For the sake of love of purity, the bodhisattva should refrain from eating flesh, which is born from semen, blood, etc. For fear of causing terror to living beings let the bodhisattva, who is disciplining himself to attain compassion, refrain from eating flesh...It is not true that meat is proper food and permissible when the animal was not killed by himself, when he did not order others to kill it, when it was not specifically meant for him...Again, there may be some people in the future who...being under the influence of the taste for meat will string together in various ways many sophisticated arguments to defend meat-eating...But...meat-eating in any form, in any manner, and in any place is unconditionally and once and for all prohibited...Meat-eating I have not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will not permit..."

The Surangama Sutra says:

"The reason for practicing dhyana and seeking to attain samadhi is to escape from the suffering of life. But in seeking to escape from suffering ourselves, why should we inflict it upon others? Unless you can control your minds that even the thought of brutal unkindness and killing is abhorrent, you will never be able to escape from the bondage of the world's life...After my parinirvana in the final kalpa different kinds of ghosts will be encountered everywhere deceiving people and teaching them that they can eat meat and still attain enlightenment...How can a bhikshu, who hopes to become a deliverer of others, himself be living on the flesh of other sentient beings?"

The Dalai Lama has said, "I do not see any reason why animals should be slaughtered to serve as human diet when there are so many substitutes. After all, man can live without meat."

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Hey Pete! Let's eat more meat
Posted by: boing007 on Jul 16, 2008 8:22 AM   
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You don't have to become a vegetarian to accept the premise of this article. We have to find safer, less expensive ways to keep the human family healthy and productive.

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doing enough for animals
Posted by: vasumurti on Jul 16, 2008 10:24 AM   
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Even natural omnivores live mostly (80 percent) on plant foods. So we can all agree to cut back considerably on animal products.

This is actually the basis of the “Enough” campaign, which aims at getting people to reduce (if not eliminate entirely) their consumption of animal products. This campaign actually has the support of organized religion.

Ronald J. Sider of Evangelicals for Social Action, in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, pointed out that 220 million Americans were eating enough food (largely because of the high consumption of grain fed to livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.

The realization that meat is an unnecessary luxury, resulting in inequities in the world food supply has prompted religious leaders in different Christian denominations to call on their members to abstain from meat on certain days of the week. Paul Moore, Jr., the Episcopal Bishop of the Diocese of New York, made such an appeal in a November, 1974 pastoral letter calling for the observance of “meatless Wednesdays.”

A similar appeal had previously been issued by Cardinal Cooke, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York. The Reverend Eugene Carson Blake, former head of the World Council of Churches and founder of Bread for the World, has encouraged everyone in his anti-hunger organization to abstain from eating meat on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

“Is this not the fast I have chosen? To loosen the chains of wickedness, to undo the bonds of oppression, and to let the oppressed go free? Is it not to share thy bread with the hungry, sheltering the oppressed and the homeless? Clothing the naked when you see them, and not turning your back on your own.”

—Isaiah 58:6-8

“Honourable men may disagree honourably about some details of human treatment of the non-human,” wrote Stephen Clark in his 1977 book, The Moral Status of Animals, “but vegetarianism is now as necessary a pledge of moral devotion as was the refusal of emperor-worship in the early church.”

According to Clark, eating animal flesh is “gluttony,” and “Those who still eat flesh when they could do otherwise have no claim to be serious moralists.”

“Clark’s conclusion has real force and its power has yet to be sufficiently appreciated by fellow Christians,” says the Reverend Andrew Linzey, author of Christianity and the Rights of Animals. “Far from seeing the possibility of widespread vegetarianism as a threat to Old Testament norms, Christians should rather welcome the fact that the Spirit is enabling us to make decisions so that we may more properly conform to the original Genesis picture of living in peace with creation.”

Father Thomas Berry, a Catholic priest, author, and founder of the Riverdale Center of Religious Research in New York, wrote in 1987 that “Vegetarianism is a way of life that we should all move toward for economic survival, physical well-being, and spiritual integrity.”

In a speech before the World Council of Churches in September 1988, Dr. Tom Regan concluded:

“…the whole fabric of Christian agape is woven from the threads of sacrificial acts. To abstain…from eating animals, therefore, although it is not the end-all, can be the begin-all of our conscientious effort to journey back to (or toward) Eden, can be one way (among others) to re-establish or create that relationship to the earth which, if Genesis 1 is to be trusted, was part of God’s original hopes for and plans in creation.

"It is the integrity of this creation we seek to understand and aspire to honor. In the choice of our food, I believe, we see…a small but not unimportant part of both the challenge and the promise of Christianity and animal rights.”

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More eletist crap
Posted by: the baron on Jul 16, 2008 10:34 AM   
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As an atheist I find this "higher being" nonsense to be infinitely sickening. We need to accept that some people are less intelligent than others. Here's a simple solution, eat what you want and shut up.

Animals kill animals to eat. Last time I was in a biology class it was proven that humans AKA Homo Sapiens are animals.

Where's the conflict? Oh, we can make a choice, as opposed to fish. So what?!? Sustain your life by eating food. But don't tell me what makes me a better person because of what I eat.

You want to assist in the food shortage? Hmmm vegetarians are a minority. Ergo most people eat meat, perhaps the problem is not with the eating of meat; but the unprotected fornicating people commit to and then BAM lots more mouths to feed and hey there is a over population problem. Curious, how that works out.

Also,
MURDER
–noun
1.Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the
commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

SLAUGTHER
–noun
1. the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., esp. for food.

KILLING
1. the act of a person or thing that kills.
2. the total game killed on a hunt.

GAME
- noun
12. the flesh of such wild animals or other game, used as food: a dish of game.

I win please use English correctly.

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Loaves and Fishes
Posted by: Erik1968 on Jul 18, 2008 1:16 AM   
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You can find all the biblical justification for vegetarianism you want, but those fish were for eating.

I have no problem with vegetarians. I do believe that Lappe has to eventually answer for our obesity epidemic. I know that's heresy, but carbohydrates make you fat. That's why they feed grain to livestock: to fatten them up.

What if the diet for a small planet is deadly? What if it causes more heart disease and diabetes? What then? i suppose it would slow population growth...

I'm no nutritionist, but it seems to me that humans are supposed to eat animals and animal products. Grains are another story...

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