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Get Ready for the Post-SUV World!

By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted July 10, 2008.


SUVs and big pickups are waddling off into the sunset, leaving Americans with no more excuses for the nation's profligate oil use.
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As peak-oil enthusiasts keep vigil over world petroleum statistics, they can find comfort in America's sudden, rapid descent from a different summit: the peak of sport-utility vehicle (SUV) production. In the early 2000s, combined sales of SUVs, pickup trucks, and minivans (which together make up the "light truck" class) caught and surpassed sales of passenger cars. But last week, automakers announced that high gas prices have caused their sales of SUVs and full-size pickups to plummet by as much as 50 percent compared with a year ago.

With big-box vehicles waddling off into the sunset, we can expect the nation's roads to become safer and less crowded. But just as the end of the Cold War failed to bring with it a promised peace dividend, the end of the SUV era is unlikely to bring a "green dividend" -- unless it is accompanied by much bigger changes. The numbers show that even the complete disappearance of SUVs from the nation's roadways, without other fuel-saving developments, would put only a slight bend in the rising curve of national fuel consumption.

First, the Good News

By 2006, sales of the largest pickup trucks were 2½ times what they had been in 1992; meanwhile, assisted by the so-called "Hummer tax deduction," sales of 6,000- to 10,000-pound SUVs had risen 25-fold. But as last week's sales figures from Detroit made clear, 2008 will be a very different year.

In May, for the first time in 17 years, the top-selling vehicle model in America was not a pickup truck. In fact, Ford's F-150, the perennial leader, was overtaken by three small import-car models. Ford's June truck sales were down 41 percent from a year ago, and its SUV sales are now in free-fall, down 55 percent. Sales of Dodge Ram pickups tumbled 48 percent. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler were hit hard, and all have announced plans to close or suspend production at plants that make trucks and SUVs.

The post-SUV world will come to pass only gradually, but as it does, we can look forward to getting at least some relief from the damage that the reign of the big boxes has done:

Less gas will be burned, reducing greenhouse gas emissions: The average SUV is driven 20 percent more miles per year than is the average car. That, along with its low fuel efficiency, means that it burns more than 800 gallons of fuel per year. The average pickup is only slightly less thirsty, at 700 gallons, compared with just under 500 burned by the average car. But without greater restraint by all drivers, how much can the demise of the SUV reduce fossil-fuel consumption? As we will see, not much.

Drivers of all vehicles will be less likely to die in a car crash: Michael Anderson, assistant professor of economics at the University of California at Berkeley, has done the math showing that increasing popularity of SUVs and pickups led to an increase in annual traffic fatalities. Of the additional deaths, he wrote, "approximately one-fifth accrue to the light trucks' own occupants, and the remaining four-fifths accrue to the occupants of other vehicles and pedestrians." To put it another way, getting most SUVs and pickups off the road will make everyone safer -- especially those who don't drive them.

In High and Mighty, his definitive 2002 book on the SUV, journalist Keith Bradsher described how the taller vehicles block the vision of car drivers and contribute to accidents. Statistics show that a person who's at the wheel of a small, nimble car and appropriately aware of the need to avert danger is much safer than a complacent driver relying solely on the protective bulk of an SUV -- a vehicle "designed to overcome its environment, not to respond to it," in the words of writer Malcolm Gladwell.

Fewer children might be run over: Some, but not all, surveys have shown that, presumably because of poorer visibility to the rear, SUVs and pickups are more likely to be involved in what are called driveway "backover" accidents, most victims of which are children. In one study, backovers were fatal most often when the vehicle was a pickup truck.

There will be more room on the road for everyone -- and maybe less road construction: Small-car drivers know that bottom-of-a-well feeling that comes when you're surrounded on all sides at a traffic light by 3-ton, black-windowed behemoths. Bradsher cites studies demonstrating the various ways in which SUVs clog roadways: that a length of road or street able to accommodate, say, 100 cars can hold only 71 SUVs or 87 pickups; that at busy intersections dominated by SUVs, fewer vehicles can get through a green light before the next change; and that large SUVs sap taxpayers by increasing wear and tear on roads. Indeed, as big-vehicle pressures decline, states and municipalities may be able to give drivers, and the environment, a little break by canceling some of their road-widening plans.


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Stan Cox is a plant breeder and writer in Salina, Kansas. His is the author of Sick Planet: Corporate Food and Medicine (Pluto Press, 2008).

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Drive What You Can Afford
Posted by: gellero1 on Jul 10, 2008 12:45 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If it's a Hummer.............more power to ya.

If Al Gore wants his Jet, if I want my gas guzzling Ferrari.................why should anyone care.

I can afford NOT to take public transportation.

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» Aho ka Posted by: Negative_Creep
» RE: Drive What You Can Afford Posted by: carbon-based
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» RE: Drive What You Can Afford Posted by: carbon-based
» $186 a month Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Drive What You Can Afford Posted by: HoboHomo
» "Got small wee-wees? Posted by: paulmagillsmith
» RE: "Got small wee-wees? Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: Drive What You Can Afford Posted by: john mont
» What really sucks is... Posted by: EinMD
» Dear Selfish Dumbshit: Posted by: WhuThe?!?
It seems to me...
Posted by: adp3d on Jul 10, 2008 3:54 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...that GM is building the Volt to be priced in the mid-lux range and then they won't sell enough units to be profitable so they will end up killing the program and say "we told you so". To me it just doesn't seem to be the model for the masses, like the Cavalier or its replacement the Cobalt(which I understand they may discontinue).

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» RE: It seems to me... Posted by: babs
Human powered vehicles, HVP's
Posted by: Poederbach on Jul 10, 2008 4:51 AM   
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It seems to me that most Americans are addicted to cars. I can understand this partly because the vast distances in the US. I agree with the article that it is a social and psychological problem almost like drugs are, including status and personal space.

A very practical solution would be to replace the car in some areas by a human powered vehicles ( HVP's), like a bike. Many Americans are overweighted not to say obese since many only do sitting work, watch TV sitting on the couch ore drive in a car from A to B instead of using their own musclepower to do so.

There are many solutions mentioned in the article but none of them radical enough to realy solve the problem. I understand very well it needs courage to do a radical change.

For many that like relatively fast transportation for commuting to work concider driving a Velomobile that has almost zero CO2 footprint besides parts of your breath and the occasional fart.
If you live to far from work, just decide to go and live nearer to the job, there must be cheap houses around now or swap housing.

A Velomobile is family of the bycicle, basically it is a trike with a fairing that has an extreme aerodynamic shape. It is able to reach speeds of 18 mph while you deliver just 100 Watts of power, like you where going easy on a normal bike. Of course if you get addicted to your own power yu can reach speeds up to 35 mph or even more. The Velomobile gives full weather protection. There are power assisted Velo's as well that use small electric motors.

Strange enough bikes in the US are mostly sold as toys for kids but only taken seriously by a few.

The upside is that by biking two times one hour a working day you will find a conciderably weight loss , that is if you eat properly also.

Using you own power instead of burning fuel is one of the ways to go.

For more background see the following links en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velomobile or http://www.recumbent-bikes-truth-for-you.com/velomobile.html or http://users.pandora.be/fietser/FVDW.htm

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» RE: Human powered vehicles, HVP's Posted by: richholland
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» RE: Human powered vehicles, HVP's Posted by: tommy_slothrop
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note to bike riders...
Posted by: ellie on Jul 10, 2008 5:16 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
the message is that the American people in general are being more conscious of the price at the pump... so if we were to follow economic theory, prices should fall to encourage consumption then rise again to maintain profits... it ain't happening around here folks...

gas stations are almost empty, fewer cars and semi's already on the road, people are using what mass transit they have available to them and still the price at the pump keeps going up...

more bikes on the road but wish that the riders would understand a bicycle is not a motorcycle... you don't get the entire left lane for your pedal power, drivers don't always see you speeding along in areas without sidewalks or easements and drivers need to be more aware of bicycles too... way too many bike vs. car crashes around here lately, adult caused...

according to police stats around here, they are ticketing more bike riders who pedal like they're in a hummer and bike riders are beginning to scream that adding in the fine for the ticket comes close to getting the car out of the garage... duh!!!

personally, I walk if possible, it's safer...

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» RE: note to bike riders... Posted by: Negative_Creep
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» RE: note to bike riders... Posted by: HoboHomo
» A different perspective Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: A different perspective Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: note to bike riders... Posted by: HelperMonkey
Maybe in 10-12 Years
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 10, 2008 5:20 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The average vehicle stays on the road about 10-12 years in the US. The devalued SUVs will find their way down to the used market and will be on the roads for many years.
Many poor people cannot afford a new car or get financing for one. The dealers are now stocking fully dressed (max options and markup) compacts for the same prices a full size car cost a few years ago. I got an e-mail from a Toyota dealer offering a a Prius that should have a 22k sticker for almost 30k. That kind of ripping off of the small car market will push the poor into hand-me-down SUVs as it is all they can afford.

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» RE: Maybe in 10-12 Years Posted by: babs
Back to the 19th century!
Posted by: lasarte-oria on Jul 10, 2008 5:30 AM   
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My community has embarked on a project of trailbuilding (a 25 mile walking/bike trail linking local towns is underway). These projects will probably grow in popularity and afford locals the ability of car-free commuting.
It is probably 'enviro-selfish' to say, but high gas prices may be the way out of the enviromental problems gas created.

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Pickup trucks and SUVs fill a niche
Posted by: mnascimento on Jul 10, 2008 5:45 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
After driving Suburbans for ten years, then buying a pickup truck, I finally bought a sedan.

It gets me from here to there, but doesn't allow for much else.

I am now paying exorbitant delivery charges on things I formally could schleppe home without extra planning and expense. The purchase of a few two by fours, or a mattress require logistical planning.

I dont' understand the "either, or" mentality.

Would it be so hard to design a practical vehicle with cargo space that didn't have a huge gas guzzling engine?

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» More about trailers Posted by: truthlover
» Uhhhh... physics? Posted by: geoff_canuck
Who drives what
Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 10, 2008 5:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I cant help but feel when reading this article that the author is taking great joy in the gas pains felt by americans.

Equating owning SUV, with self esteem issues is a bit of a stretch or is it.. depends on where one lives.. Most pick ups I see where I live - a very rural area) have tool boxes attached to them. They are work trucks. SUV's are Honda's or others that are unibody construction and have minivan counterparts of the same chassis. 20mpg is nothing to write home about but it's not 13 mpg as the article states.

Funny but I see the VERY LARGE SUV's Caddys etc closer to and in NYC - brand new ones driven by minorities ( I wont say who - and dare I say it, those in lost of gold chains and "wife beaters" T shirts. ). There's that self esteem thing!

Getting pickups off the road wont improve safety.. getting tractor trailers off the road will improve safety. Getting hit by a car or suv at 70mph is bad either way!

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» RE: Who drives what Posted by: PortlandLiberal
bwaa haa haaaa...
Posted by: pikaomega on Jul 10, 2008 6:40 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In Aug. of 2002, I found myself in need of a new car. I was fortunate enough to basically have all options on the table-from a monetary perspective-so I decided to do a bit of research. When I was flipping thru that year's Consumer Reports automotive issue, I stumbled upon the then unknown Toyota Prius. I wanted a Toyota to begin with, so the hybrid angle and the excellent ratings sold me right there at the dentist's office.

At this point, no one had even really heard of the Prius...in fact every dealer in the St. Louis area had, at most, three on the lot at any point in time. So, after I bought the car, I was pretty conspicuous in traffic.

Perhaps because I fumed every time I got stuck next to one at a light, but it always seemed that the people driving the land behemoths took extra special care to be extra dickish. They took up a lane and a half, at least. They made sure to barrel thru the city without regard to life nor limb. It seemed as if the purchase of a sedan was automatically understood as an invitation to vehicular manslaughter. Most of my scowls were met in kind, especially since I added my "Draft SUV Drivers First" bumpersticker.

But, recently I have become a bit more chipper about the whole deal. Pulling up next to a Hummer at a red light brings a smile to my lips, as a warm honey wave washes over me. St. Louis has some of the lowest gas in the nation, but it's still teetering at $4 a gallon. For all the years of grief that I have gotten, not just for the car but for the mindset that the car has been seen to represent (read: peacenik, liberal, commie, traitor, et al), this development comes to me with a sense of satisfaction.

As a kid, my mom's favorite saying was "if you don't listen, you'll have to feel," and how right she was.

Can we listen now?

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» Can we listen now? Posted by: ohb0b
money talks
Posted by: grmartin on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 AM   
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Green means the green in the wallet! Never mind attitude change, let's keep in mind that most people have to be forced into planet saving behaviour - this includes consumers as well as developers, politicians and manufacturers. Too bad but wishful thinking, voluntary guidelines etc won't go very far at all in our corporate controlled society. We are what we are.

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OIL COMPANIES: FUTURE GENERATIONS NOT PROFITS
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
HELLO!! oil companies, Democratic, and Republican members of Congress. Apparently the aforementioned do not read environmental news or do not care about global warming since their solution to the oil crisis is based on the assumption that the real problem is either a shortage of supply or high prices. Apparently these people do not read any analysis other than the mainstream media for their understanding of the impact of global warning. Most of these people have children and grandchildren and it defies common sense that they would willingly bequeath a severely damaged planet to their loved ones. So read other sources.

The real problem is the consumption of fossil fuel irrespective of the price or availability. Clearly and simply, fossil fuels contribute to greenhouse emissions which are already approximately 60% above the levels needed to sustain our planet. Increasing current consumption levels cannot possibly be the solution in the short or long term.

Compounding the problem is the fact that oil is either close to or past its peak. That means that oil is guaranteed to become more expensive and dirty as producers extract oil from less efficient sources. For example, the Tar Sands in Canada has catapulted to number one in known oil reserves. It is extremely costly and dirty to extract and destroys the environment in a large area. Greenhouse emissions will skyrocket as people begin to consume more oil from these dirty and inefficient sources.

Confusing our understanding of the problem is the discussion about the price of oil. Obviously, the oil companies want you to believe that it is related to the supply of oil and hence the solution is to produce more oil. Surprise! Surprise! The real problem is neither the supply which has been fairly constant nor the demand which is rising due to the increasing consumption in countries such as India and China but can still be met for a while given current reserves. The real problem is speculation. Speculators are not only betting on the price today but the price well into the future. It is their predatory betting for quick profits that is driving up the price for consumers.

Possibly the problem would be fully addressed if those with ties with the oil companies, including oil company executives, shareholders, lobbyists, and politicians who are in a bed of oil with the oil companies, paid more attention to the fate of their younger relatives than to the ever-increasing profits of oil companies.

http://www.stateofdarkness.com

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Good riddance!
Posted by: BreeMass on Jul 10, 2008 7:21 AM   
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As a person who grew up in the mountains of Idaho, SUVs have log been the bane of my existence. Why do people driving SUVs always think that you can still go sixty in a blizzard? Why are these stupid ugly behemoths a status symbol? Now, I do understand that some (very few statistically) NEED trucks for hauling, particularly people with farms and aminals that regularly need transport. Other than that, there is no need for these stupid machines and I revel in their hopefully rapid extinction.

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» RE: Well lets see! Posted by: donl51
» RE: Well lets see! Posted by: BreeMass
» RE: Well lets see! Posted by: donl51
Suv's have a place too
Posted by: adocann1 on Jul 10, 2008 7:22 AM   
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I drive a 2002 ford explorer 6 cylinder. I drive this vehicle for a variety of reasons. 1.) My husband and I are avid campers and need a vheicle with the ability to tow, 2.) I have many children in my life an often need to transport them hither, tither and yon, 3.) I shop in bulk to save money and my husband often hauls materials for various home improvement projects that would otherwise have ot be delivered. And before anyone pillories me, we do have a sedan for everyday use.

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» RE: Suv's have a place too Posted by: BreeMass
» Kids and SUVs Posted by: truthlover
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» RE: Suv's have a place too Posted by: shinseiji
More needs to be done.
Posted by: reelectnoone on Jul 10, 2008 7:50 AM   
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First...many of us don't even need to burn gas.
Read my article at:

Pure electrics

Then we need some kind of tax credit to help people get rid of SUV's. Problem is people who have them now can't sell them because no one wants them. Many are stuck with them and can't "downgrade" to a lower mileage vehicle.

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Our view of American life
Posted by: willymack on Jul 10, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Centers around urban or suburban life.In the rural area where I live, an all-wheel or four wheel drive vehicle is a good idea. You can also have tungsten studded tires on your vehicle from November through April. Last winter was especially harsh and long here, with a lot of snow and zero cold overnight. The spring was absolutely miserable, with signifigant snowfall in MAY. On the north side of my house was a four foor high snowdrift which didn't completely disappear until May. My prediction for suvs and four wheel drive pickups is that they'll make a comeback once hybrid or fuel cell models appear on the market-at least where I live.

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» I Don't Think... Posted by: pdxstudent
I drive a.....
Posted by: tvaspen on Jul 10, 2008 8:56 AM   
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.....full size, 4 wheel drive pick-up, when I happen to drive. I use it to carry lumber for the occasional side job I might do, wood chips for the yard, moving furniture, etc. I walk two blocks to work most every day. The truck is a 1995 GMC, bought and paid for with cheap insurance, it sits most of the time. I can say with some confidence that my carbon footprint is smaller than most of the holier than thou posters on this site and the hypocritical political hacks. If some moron throws rocks at my truck they will be arrested. I agree that that things need to change, and when my truck finally dies I won't replace it. But obnoxious and sweeping generalizations of people who drive trucks is just silly and nonproductive.
And by the way, my penis is adequet.

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» RE: I drive a..... Posted by: EinMD
Small Cars Are Not For Every Body
Posted by: Sister on Jul 10, 2008 8:56 AM   
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I love small cars. Unfortunately, due to a disabiltiy, it is impossible for me to get in and out of a small car. Not to mention the stress it puts on my body. So please keep this in mind when you are suggesting that those of us who own SUVs are selfish and uncaring. Public transportation, for me, it is not an option. I have a blue placard.

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» With all due respect... Posted by: BreeMass
» RE: With all due respect... Posted by: NoKidding
SUV?
Posted by: NoKidding on Jul 10, 2008 8:59 AM   
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I drive a Toyota Rav4 4 cyl. Is my car part of the pack of behemoths? When people write about suvs, they never include Rav4s, Elements, or any of the other smaller ones. I don't think of myself as the typical suv type. My boyfriend is an artist so it's nice to be able to fit his paintings in the back. Also, having a bad back and knees, this car is much easier for me to get in and out of. I only drive about 3,000 miles a year which is nothing. I just don't want to be pegged as one of those evil suv drivers. I wear Birks and play the banjo for god sakes ;-)

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What happen to sane motoring?
Posted by: 220vBrain on Jul 10, 2008 9:03 AM   
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When I was a teenager I drove small English sport cars powered by 4 cylinder engines. I averaged about 35 mpg with them. They were quick enough for most driving situations, and extremely fun to drive. All of these vehicles were pre 1960,which ment they lacked many of the creature comforts we have today. However, as a kid, I could fill up the tank for $2.50
and drive for nearly a week. (gasoline then was 28 cents @gal.) My favoite car of all was a Morris Minor 1000 coupe. I drove that car for ten years, until I got married.( I was sorry I ever let it go too !)
This was when Detroit was pushing muscle cars, huge engines, and big horse power. I never understood the mindlessness of these type of vehicles. They were totally pointless.
Fast foward to today, and again, they are pushing retro muscle cars, with hemi engines, big horse power, and ever ridiculas top ends...
While the world is running dry on fossil fuels, this new wave of totally stupid vhicles makes no sense at all.

Why can't anyone bring back the PIP SQUEEK little cars like those that England, Italy, France,Japan and Germany used to make, only more reliable, safe, comfortable? Why does everything have to be able to go 180+mph,supercharged,fill with every kind of electronic gadget imaginable, and cost $90,000
on average? It is absolutley stupid!

I want another (NEW) Morris Minor 1000 with slight improvemnts...I never wanted a Hemi Cuda, a Corvette, or a Porche 911 twin turbo...I want a simple car, that is fun to drive, efficient, and costs $2,500 new...is that too much to ask for today? Seems it is....

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» RE: Agreed! Posted by: Forrest
Yahshu
Posted by: yahshu on Jul 10, 2008 9:04 AM   
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It's obvious who your god is-MONEY. How sad. the planet was not put here just for your benefit. Hopefully someday you will understand that there are way more important things in this life than money.

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SUV's As Housing
Posted by: Southern Gal on Jul 10, 2008 9:11 AM   
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Perhaps all of these gas hungry SUV's could be used as housing for the homeless. There must be some way to recycle these vehicles. I have no sympathy for the American auto manufacturers who chose to ignore energy conservation and pollution realities to build these vehicles. I have even less sympathy for General Motors who killed the electric car.

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Peak Oil Enthusiasts?
Posted by: D. Shenary on Jul 10, 2008 9:13 AM   
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A rather good article over all; however, the first line clearly contains a misnomer. "As peak-oil enthusiasts keep vigil over world petroleum statistics,". Calling the people who are aware of our energy predicament peak-oil enthusiasts shows a complete lack of understanding of the implications of peak-oil. Actually the entire article points to the enormous disconnect between what is coming and what to do about it. Peak-oil aware people have been called pessimists, power downers, and doomers, but never enthusiasts. This mischaracterization is akin to calling climatologists global warming enthusiasts.

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» RE: Peak Oil Enthusiasts? Posted by: pomes
» RE: Peak Oil Enthusiasts? Posted by: D. Shenary
» RE: Peak Oil Enthusiasts? Posted by: pomes
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» www.OilCrisis.org Posted by: fanny666
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» RE: Peak Oil Enthusiasts? Posted by: D. Shenary
Never let a new technology be more expensive than an outdated one.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 10, 2008 9:24 AM   
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You see, Big Auto is doing all it can to frame electric cars and hybrids as "unaffordable" and yet entice those poor suckers out there with "Get an SUV and gas for 2.99 a gallon !" BULLSHIT. The day America realizes that thanks to FAILING students and slapping phoney "patents" and/or frivolous lawsuits against non-monied geniuses all the while keeping the wars for oil machine running and continuing to keep America in OUTDATED mode along with OUTSOURCING labor with the sheeple happily playing "go along get along",

GOD WILL CONTINUE TO PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH AMERICA STONE COLD AND DRY TO ETERNAL DAMNATION !!

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Training to live like serfs
Posted by: pomes on Jul 10, 2008 9:29 AM   
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I've noticed a lot fewer cars on the road, yet the price of gas continues to go up. This is not about supply and demand or even speculation -- among other things, the dollar is being eviscerated, and we're being put back on the plantation.

I read somewhere that China is paying ~$2.30 a gallon.

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» China's gasoline is subsidized. Posted by: Artkansas
SUV's waddle off in the sunset
Posted by: 220vBrain on Jul 10, 2008 9:31 AM   
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Bullshit! I bought mine for 34K and it is paid for. I am going to live in it when I leave my house behind. That struture is sinking into the sunset, not my SUV! I just put 1200 into it and it is ready to tour the disaster zones of America where I will make a photo record and publish a book from my lap top. A few of us are creative enough to cope!

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The Oily Umbilicus will follow us to the grave; the undertaker will pry it from our cold dead hands
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Jul 10, 2008 10:05 AM   
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Merchants follow the baby boom.

Many retirees are downsizing or selling homes outright in favor of RV's. I went camping this summer for the first time in 10 years, and am astounded by the deployment of rolling stock among the elders: from tent trailers (air conditioned, of course), to 80' buses and everything in between. Most are SUVs, vans and pick-ups. Many tow cars, bikes and other motorized vehicles. Some look like they're schlepping their entire estate. 300lb BBQ's, satellite dishes. This is camping? WTF leave home? Tents seem antiquated. If anyone's tenting, they're either under 30 or homeless.

Long story short, this crowd uses a lot of energy! They have money to spend, and the oil companies will follow them on their travels right to the gas tank inlets on the hearses in their funeral procession.

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One excuse left?
Posted by: finch on Jul 10, 2008 10:09 AM   
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How much oil does our military consume each year?

Or do the US's oil consumption stats we read already include our military's use?

Does anyone know? Links please!

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» RE: One excuse left? Posted by: BlackbirdHighway
Keep Your SUVs and Pickups
Posted by: ChairmanMetal on Jul 10, 2008 10:12 AM   
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...and let's really get this Peak Oil thing the hell over with! Nothing is accomplished by this shift to smaller cars except to prolong the inevitable.

Drive big! Drive fast!

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dasq
Posted by: dasq on Jul 10, 2008 10:15 AM   
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How about this.....cancel every 'motor sport'event through the rest of this year? From motocross through Nascar,all of them.It's not only the fuel used in the race,think of all the resources consumed. Ten thousand dollars the get from 8.9 seconds to 8.8 seconds in one quarter mile. Two hundred thousand people drive hundreds of miles to watch cars 'race'around in a circle for 500 miles? End all of it. Can you say Revolution? How pathic are we? Blessings to all

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SUVs: a vehicle designed soley to burn more gas.
Posted by: Artkansas on Jul 10, 2008 10:32 AM   
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The cars with fins are gone. The big boxy land yachts of the early 70's are gone. And finally the SUVs are going. Certainly, back in the seventies no one would have guessed that the most influential vehicles of that day were the Jeep, the Ford Bronco and the Chevy Blazer and Su