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Hey Coffee Drinker, Ditch That Paper Cup
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This system is too good to be true: it can provide fuel, or be easily processed into one of our most versatile building materials; it can sequester CO2 to slow global warming; be harvested for food; increase ecosystem health and biodiversity by providing habitat for animals, birds, plants and insects; slow damaging storm-water runoff; purify water; and help remediate contaminated soils. The feedstock is free and abundant, and maintenance on the system is negligible.
Or, we can destroy trees for pulp to make paper coffee cups, which, after 15 minutes of use, we throw in the garbage can. Then, we pick the cups up with pollution-belching trucks and throw them in a dump, where they rot and create more greenhouse gases. To say this is not an elegant solution to beverage transportation is quite an understatement -- but what could we replace it with?
I have never really understood the delight with which coffee companies brand their paper cups. After all, we usually throw stuff in the garbage because it is low quality or broken. Take a walk down any inner-city alley and you will quickly get a picture of which mattresses sag too soon and which televisions are prone to burning out. A look in the garbage cans will tell you which coffee shops are serious about the environment, and which ones are causing serious environmental damage.
Disposable taste buds?
There are lots of problems with disposable cups. Up to 90 per cent of flavor comes from the aroma you inhale, so the non-recyclable styrene lids make your morning jolt about one-tenth as delicious. Paper cups are all lined with plastic to prevent sogginess and, if you want to keep your reproductive organs functioning, plastic is seldom considered a good marriage with hot or acidic liquids.
And of course, trees are elegant and amazing organisms that deserve better than to be pulped into coffee cups -- think Stradivarius. Forests generate value with an ease industry will never replicate. The unmeasured economic value provided by Canada's boreal forest for things like water filtration and air purification has been has been estimated at $93 billion. That is two and a half times as much as the combined economic value of the forestry, mining, oil and gas and hydroelectric industries in the boreal forest. This would represent eight per cent of Canada's entire GDP, and trees don't need a pension or health care. And yet we keep grinding them up -- North America uses 60 per cent of the world's paper cups, 130 billion of them per year. Those cups require about 50 million trees and 33 billion gallons of water, which could sequester 9.3 million tonnes of CO2 and quench 550,000 drought-stricken citizens of the state of Georgia, without even asking them to lower their ridiculous consumption rate of 166 gallons per day.
Easy solutions
So. Please stop. There is really no need to argue further. Paper cups are stupid.
Let's dispense the obvious solution quickly: buy a travel mug. I bought this one in 1997 and engraved my phone number on it in case I forgot it somewhere. But, if for some reason the same species that landed on the moon, climbed Mount Everest and eradicated polio cannot remember to carry a travel mug, we might want to have a few back-up systems.
A good place to start would be a deposit system, which has been very effective for milk, beer and soda bottles -- there is even a café in Toronto selling coffee beans in returnable bottles. I would suggest that a few stores or chains agree to co-brand metal travel mugs so you can return your mug to Joe's Café or Caffe Roma, whichever is more convenient. A cargo bike can redistribute mugs as needed if they start piling up in one store.
And, a deposit system suddenly gives value to used cups, something we used to call garbage. In fact, deposits fund a whole industry of binners, or dumpster divers -- servicing those of us who are too lazy to sort recyclables from trash. Just put your mug down anywhere and one of these hard-working urban recyclers will be happy to return it for you. So if those mega-chains just can't imagine living without the brand value of their cups spilling out of garbage cans everywhere, well, that pretty clearly speaks to who is just greenwashing, and who is truly trying to be green.
Looking at a stranger's mug
On a smaller scale, a coffee shop could head to the thrift shop and buy up the ceramic mugs. When I owned a coffee shop, we bought only the mugs that had been personalized with photographs. You know, the kind that say To Grandma, with pictures of babies on them. Some were more exciting, though. My favorite pictured a brunette in white lingerie, holding a glass of champagne and reclining on a hotel bed. Creepily, the I Love You message was in kiddie-style crayon writing.
Armed with these cheap mugs, the café can just give them away for customers to sip and stroll their way up the street. If a dozen metal, newspaper-style boxes were placed six blocks away, in a circle around the café, customers would come across a handy box to put their cup in just as their coffee was finished. Along roll the cargo bikes again, to whisk the cups back for washing.
Even as we transition to systems of deposits and reuse, let's remember to slow down and savor. Do you think the English are so passionate about a cup of steeped leaves, or is it the break, the time to think and talk and reflect, that they love?
So instead of throwing away our cups, let's throw away the smell of bleached paper and the cuts from sharp plastic lids. Once again, it turns out that living sustainably is actually more joyful -- not just better for the world, but better for us.
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Posted by: opmoc on May 5, 2008 5:10 AM
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And how much energy it takes to grow coffee beans and transport them to destination of consumption and grind them and boil water to make a cup of coffee
And consider the effects growing coffee rather than food for local consumption might be having on kids starving to death.
In fact you had better give up coffee altogether. Kids are starving to death just so you can get your drugs high. You're addicted to caffeine. Its time you switched to drinking just fresh rainwater straight out of your own hands formed to make a cup.
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Posted by: quitecontrary on May 5, 2008 5:48 AM
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Even easier than coffee shops using real mugs, how about working folks bringing a couple of real mugs to keep at the desk? Not only does it eliminate "plastic coffee taste" but it adds a little character to your desk! I have several handmade mugs that my nieces have painted for me, as well as some I've picked up along the way with cheeky comments on them. Maybe we should appeal to people's sense of style with this one.
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Posted by: xvictor on May 5, 2008 6:24 AM
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Posted by: anbaraha on May 5, 2008 6:40 AM
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The production requires energy like any other production and unlike it's plastic counterparts it doesn't have potetially deleterious effects on human and environmental health.
Unlike paper I suspect it easier to harvest sand in a way as to minimize disruption of ecosystems.
Paper products are useful and convenient, and who doesn't like TP.
Before using them in a wasteful manner it's good to consider the effect such action may have on our interconnected planetary environments.
For ex.) if using a paper towel why not using a piece that's size is suited to the task, not a big square foot section just because that's how it is perforated?
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Posted by: vasumurti on May 5, 2008 6:58 AM
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Multinationals are buying more land. A study of over 83 countries reveals that just over 3% of landholders control about 80 percent of the farmland.
The Worldwatch Institute has released a remarkable report entitled Taking Stock: Animal Farming and the Environment, which lists nation after nation where food deprivation has followed the switch from a grain-based diet to a meat-based one.
Most of the nations that now import grain from the United States were once self-sufficient in grain. The main reason they aren't is the rise in meat production and consumption. In Taiwan, for example, per capita consumption of meat and eggs increased 600 percent from 1950 to 1990. With this change, vastly increased amounts of grain have gone to livestock, raising the annual per capita grain use in the country from 375 pounds to 858 pounds. In 1950, Taiwan was a grain exporter; in 1990 the nation imported, mostly for feed, 74 percent of the grain it used.
In mainland China, the situation is similar. Increased meat consumption has meant less grain available to feed people. Since 1978, meat consumption has more than doubled, to twenty-four kilograms. The share of Chinese grain fed to livestock rose from 7 percent in 1960 to 20 percent in 1990.
Beginning over 300 years ago, the Western colonialist powers established the plantation system in their subject lands. The plantation's sole purpose was to produce wealth for the colonizers - tobacco, rubber, cotton, tea, coffee, cocoa, etc.--all of which had little or no nutritional value. The name subsequently giver to them, "cash crops," is quite appropriate.
Cash crops became established in world trade, so that even after their emancipation from formal colonial control, Third World countries were "economically hooked" on these crops as their only means of survival. Coffee, for example, the second most valuable commodity in world trade, is the economic lifeblood of fourteen developing countries. Coffee symbolizes millions of acres of agricultural land in a hungry world.
In Central America, where over 70% of the children are hungry, 50% of the land is used for "cash Crops" (such as lilies). While multinational corporations use the best land to grow their cash crops (coffee, tea, tobacco, exotic foods), the natives are forced to use slopes and eroded land on which it is difficult to grow food.
Since 1960, the rumble of landless people in Central America has multiplied fourfold. American aid goes to prop up Latin America's livestock industry. According to economist Bruce Rich: "No other single commodity in developing countries has ever received such extraordinary outside support."
Nor does this support benefit the impoverished. Over half Of Latin America's beef production is exported, and the rest is too expensive for any but the wealthy to purchase. From 1960 to 1980 beef exports from El Salvador increases over sixfold.
Meanwhile, increasing numbers of small farmers lost their livelihood and were pushed off their land. Today, 72 percent of all Salvadoran infants are underfed.
Oxfam, the international charity, reports that in Brazil huge cattle ranches take up some of the most fertile soil in the whole country, yet 60 percent of Brazilians are malnourished.
Oxfam estimates that in Mexico, 80 percent of the children in rural areas are undernourished, yet the livestock are fed more grain than the human population eats! The livestock are exported of course, to satisfy the developed nations' craving for cheap hamburgers.
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Posted by: Marlena on May 5, 2008 7:16 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 5, 2008 7:20 AM
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Hmmm, three of those/week = half a tank of gas, 12/month = property taxes on a nice home in most markets.
So, for those who aren't aware--they sell these giant tub of grounds at your local supermarket. Sure, you have to wake up a little earlier to brew it, and pack a cannister if you want your afternoon fix, but is a luxury of having someone pour your coffee for you worth exacerbating the newly minted "gas crisis", or "mortgage crisis"?
I challenge those who get to the end of the month unaware of where the money went: pour your own joe, into a ceramic or stainless steel travel mug.
*caveat: I drank navy coffee (also known as turpentine) for five years, so I'm probably not as particular as your average starbucks fan. But I guarantee their coffee budget dwarfs mine...which leaves more money for old sipping scotch. :)
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Posted by: reikimama on May 5, 2008 7:34 AM
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Anyone know why they are forced to use disposables?
I would never buy cofffee or water if you could still carry liquid into airports. But with hours of transit and hours of sitting between flights, you're stuck.
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Posted by: thornwolf on May 5, 2008 7:54 AM
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Hemp is much better for paper. Lots more per acre and you can harvest it every year, even twice a year! Unlike trees which take a decade or more to be ready to harvest.
Land of the Freely Wasteful,
Home of the Bravely Blockheaded.
I sometimes wonder what my Revolutionary Era forebears would think of today's lame policies.
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Posted by: racje on May 5, 2008 8:14 AM
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But when you give up your car and start walking, bicycling and using public transport, lugging that mug becomes burdensome.
Obviously the car is a bigger environmental problem than the paper cup. I am tired of people giving me a hard time because I travel light, by foot and bus, and don't bring the heavy environmental hardware.
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Posted by: alaskagrrl on May 5, 2008 9:02 AM
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When a site is logged it only produces some saw-grade wood. The rest goes into pulp. The pulp logs are typically the genetically poor trees so they can't be selectively logged and 'just left there' because these poorer genetics would then re-populate the forest.
Like it or not, clear-cutting is the best way to harvest these forests. This generates pulpwood that NEEDS to be used. What is the world supposed to do with all that logging by-product ? This low grade wood has to find a home somewhere.
I personally think this is one of the biggest impediments to the legalization of hemp for pulp-replacement products. Such movement would cripple the timber industry by taking away a large profit stream from it's pulp processing.
Lousy system, but it's the one we got.
We should at the very least stop bleaching and painting our paper products ....
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Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on May 5, 2008 9:41 AM
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Posted by: The Big Raven on May 5, 2008 9:49 AM
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I quit using take-out dishes years ago and to still see the mighty innorant north american usless eaters consume everything like locus only leads me to keep beleiving that the so-called master races are nothing but shadows of what they THINK they are. Anyone knows that to shit in ones own backyard will only pollute thier land and it will rebell and not support life. So just like the first commentor who I hope does not really beleive in the drivel that they wrote and it was done tounge and cheek or........ is the first comment more like the way every american thinks?
Its like yeah we stole it and were sooooo tough that we can do what ever we want.
What a sick place my land has become and the real joke is that you usless eaters turn around and point thier fingers at others (cause thats the way you have been taught)all the while we know and KNEW we could have done this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.
Ya reap what ya sow.
Peace to all the ravens!
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Posted by: QQOblivion on May 5, 2008 10:07 AM
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I do not, by the way, use plastic lids on my cups of coffee. I agree that the aroma is very important to the taste of the coffee. And in any case, who knows what chemicals in the plastic are dissolved into the hot coffee passing through that little hole in the lid. Yeah, I spill coffee on myself from time to time. But that is nowhere close to as hot on my skin as what we will all experience with the coming global-warming.
Now, I hope that the soapy residue rinsing down my sink's drain when I wash the travel mug doesn't pollute even more than the paper cups did! I doubt it will. But you never know.
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Posted by: opmoc on May 5, 2008 5:10 AM
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And how much energy it takes to grow coffee beans and transport them to destination of consumption and grind them and boil water to make a cup of coffee
And consider the effects growing coffee rather than food for local consumption might be having on kids starving to death.
In fact you had better give up coffee altogether. Kids are starving to death just so you can get your drugs high. You're addicted to caffeine. Its time you switched to drinking just fresh rainwater straight out of your own hands formed to make a cup.
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Posted by: quitecontrary on May 5, 2008 5:48 AM
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Even easier than coffee shops using real mugs, how about working folks bringing a couple of real mugs to keep at the desk? Not only does it eliminate "plastic coffee taste" but it adds a little character to your desk! I have several handmade mugs that my nieces have painted for me, as well as some I've picked up along the way with cheeky comments on them. Maybe we should appeal to people's sense of style with this one.
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Posted by: xvictor on May 5, 2008 6:24 AM
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Posted by: anbaraha on May 5, 2008 6:40 AM
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The production requires energy like any other production and unlike it's plastic counterparts it doesn't have potetially deleterious effects on human and environmental health.
Unlike paper I suspect it easier to harvest sand in a way as to minimize disruption of ecosystems.
Paper products are useful and convenient, and who doesn't like TP.
Before using them in a wasteful manner it's good to consider the effect such action may have on our interconnected planetary environments.
For ex.) if using a paper towel why not using a piece that's size is suited to the task, not a big square foot section just because that's how it is perforated?
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Posted by: vasumurti on May 5, 2008 6:58 AM
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Multinationals are buying more land. A study of over 83 countries reveals that just over 3% of landholders control about 80 percent of the farmland.
The Worldwatch Institute has released a remarkable report entitled Taking Stock: Animal Farming and the Environment, which lists nation after nation where food deprivation has followed the switch from a grain-based diet to a meat-based one.
Most of the nations that now import grain from the United States were once self-sufficient in grain. The main reason they aren't is the rise in meat production and consumption. In Taiwan, for example, per capita consumption of meat and eggs increased 600 percent from 1950 to 1990. With this change, vastly increased amounts of grain have gone to livestock, raising the annual per capita grain use in the country from 375 pounds to 858 pounds. In 1950, Taiwan was a grain exporter; in 1990 the nation imported, mostly for feed, 74 percent of the grain it used.
In mainland China, the situation is similar. Increased meat consumption has meant less grain available to feed people. Since 1978, meat consumption has more than doubled, to twenty-four kilograms. The share of Chinese grain fed to livestock rose from 7 percent in 1960 to 20 percent in 1990.
Beginning over 300 years ago, the Western colonialist powers established the plantation system in their subject lands. The plantation's sole purpose was to produce wealth for the colonizers - tobacco, rubber, cotton, tea, coffee, cocoa, etc.--all of which had little or no nutritional value. The name subsequently giver to them, "cash crops," is quite appropriate.
Cash crops became established in world trade, so that even after their emancipation from formal colonial control, Third World countries were "economically hooked" on these crops as their only means of survival. Coffee, for example, the second most valuable commodity in world trade, is the economic lifeblood of fourteen developing countries. Coffee symbolizes millions of acres of agricultural land in a hungry world.
In Central America, where over 70% of the children are hungry, 50% of the land is used for "cash Crops" (such as lilies). While multinational corporations use the best land to grow their cash crops (coffee, tea, tobacco, exotic foods), the natives are forced to use slopes and eroded land on which it is difficult to grow food.
Since 1960, the rumble of landless people in Central America has multiplied fourfold. American aid goes to prop up Latin America's livestock industry. According to economist Bruce Rich: "No other single commodity in developing countries has ever received such extraordinary outside support."
Nor does this support benefit the impoverished. Over half Of Latin America's beef production is exported, and the rest is too expensive for any but the wealthy to purchase. From 1960 to 1980 beef exports from El Salvador increases over sixfold.
Meanwhile, increasing numbers of small farmers lost their livelihood and were pushed off their land. Today, 72 percent of all Salvadoran infants are underfed.
Oxfam, the international charity, reports that in Brazil huge cattle ranches take up some of the most fertile soil in the whole country, yet 60 percent of Brazilians are malnourished.
Oxfam estimates that in Mexico, 80 percent of the children in rural areas are undernourished, yet the livestock are fed more grain than the human population eats! The livestock are exported of course, to satisfy the developed nations' craving for cheap hamburgers.
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Posted by: Marlena on May 5, 2008 7:16 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 5, 2008 7:20 AM
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Hmmm, three of those/week = half a tank of gas, 12/month = property taxes on a nice home in most markets.
So, for those who aren't aware--they sell these giant tub of grounds at your local supermarket. Sure, you have to wake up a little earlier to brew it, and pack a cannister if you want your afternoon fix, but is a luxury of having someone pour your coffee for you worth exacerbating the newly minted "gas crisis", or "mortgage crisis"?
I challenge those who get to the end of the month unaware of where the money went: pour your own joe, into a ceramic or stainless steel travel mug.
*caveat: I drank navy coffee (also known as turpentine) for five years, so I'm probably not as particular as your average starbucks fan. But I guarantee their coffee budget dwarfs mine...which leaves more money for old sipping scotch. :)
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Posted by: reikimama on May 5, 2008 7:34 AM
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Anyone know why they are forced to use disposables?
I would never buy cofffee or water if you could still carry liquid into airports. But with hours of transit and hours of sitting between flights, you're stuck.
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Posted by: thornwolf on May 5, 2008 7:54 AM
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Hemp is much better for paper. Lots more per acre and you can harvest it every year, even twice a year! Unlike trees which take a decade or more to be ready to harvest.
Land of the Freely Wasteful,
Home of the Bravely Blockheaded.
I sometimes wonder what my Revolutionary Era forebears would think of today's lame policies.
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Posted by: racje on May 5, 2008 8:14 AM
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But when you give up your car and start walking, bicycling and using public transport, lugging that mug becomes burdensome.
Obviously the car is a bigger environmental problem than the paper cup. I am tired of people giving me a hard time because I travel light, by foot and bus, and don't bring the heavy environmental hardware.
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Posted by: alaskagrrl on May 5, 2008 9:02 AM
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When a site is logged it only produces some saw-grade wood. The rest goes into pulp. The pulp logs are typically the genetically poor trees so they can't be selectively logged and 'just left there' because these poorer genetics would then re-populate the forest.
Like it or not, clear-cutting is the best way to harvest these forests. This generates pulpwood that NEEDS to be used. What is the world supposed to do with all that logging by-product ? This low grade wood has to find a home somewhere.
I personally think this is one of the biggest impediments to the legalization of hemp for pulp-replacement products. Such movement would cripple the timber industry by taking away a large profit stream from it's pulp processing.
Lousy system, but it's the one we got.
We should at the very least stop bleaching and painting our paper products ....
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Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on May 5, 2008 9:41 AM
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Posted by: The Big Raven on May 5, 2008 9:49 AM
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I quit using take-out dishes years ago and to still see the mighty innorant north american usless eaters consume everything like locus only leads me to keep beleiving that the so-called master races are nothing but shadows of what they THINK they are. Anyone knows that to shit in ones own backyard will only pollute thier land and it will rebell and not support life. So just like the first commentor who I hope does not really beleive in the drivel that they wrote and it was done tounge and cheek or........ is the first comment more like the way every american thinks?
Its like yeah we stole it and were sooooo tough that we can do what ever we want.
What a sick place my land has become and the real joke is that you usless eaters turn around and point thier fingers at others (cause thats the way you have been taught)all the while we know and KNEW we could have done this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.
Ya reap what ya sow.
Peace to all the ravens!
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Posted by: QQOblivion on May 5, 2008 10:07 AM
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I do not, by the way, use plastic lids on my cups of coffee. I agree that the aroma is very important to the taste of the coffee. And in any case, who knows what chemicals in the plastic are dissolved into the hot coffee passing through that little hole in the lid. Yeah, I spill coffee on myself from time to time. But that is nowhere close to as hot on my skin as what we will all experience with the coming global-warming.
Now, I hope that the soapy residue rinsing down my sink's drain when I wash the travel mug doesn't pollute even more than the paper cups did! I doubt it will. But you never know.
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