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A Yuppie Heads 'Back to the Land'

By Anneli Rufus, AlterNet. Posted April 5, 2008.


Author Doug Fine traded his metropolitan lifestyle for an eco-lifestyle on a New Mexico farm. If only the rest of us could afford to do the same.
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When Doug Fine decided to move cross-country from his native New York to an arid rural outpost 20-plus miles from the nearest town, he brought along "four big goals" for the coming year, which were:

  1. Use a lot less oil.

  2. Power my life by renewable energy.

  3. Eat as locally as possible.

  4. Don't starve, electrocute myself, get eaten by the local mountain lions, get shot by my U.N.-fearing neighbors or otherwise die in a way that would cause embarrassment.


That's one behemoth of an ambitious plan for a man who admits right up front: "I like my Netflix, wireless email and booming subwoofers" and who can't imagine living without toast, ice cream or toilet paper. How, then, on earth to achieve it?

On the first page of his book about that year, Farewell My Subaru (Villard, 2008), Fine -- a journalist who has written for Wired, Salon and other venues -- recounts a scene in which his inexpertly parked Subaru Legacy slid backward down a grade and barely missed crashing into an outbuilding. This incident occurred "a few days after I moved into the sprawling, crumbling, 41-acre New Mexico spread" where Fine had come to live. "Moved into" is a coy way of putting it. Presently, he mentions that he owns the place, that he bought this vast tract of land to go green on.

And while it's exciting in a fairytale way, this notion of legally owning your surroundings as far as the eye can see and transforming them into a solarized organic Xanadu, it lends the undertaking a certain "well ... but" dimension. Well, we all aspire to sustainability, but how many of us could actually afford to buy 41 acres? Well, property in rural New Mexico is less expensive than in much of the United States, but how many of us could afford taking a year or more off work just to see whether we could hack it? Well, getting off the grid is great, but who among us has the bodily stamina to manage, while living solo, animal husbandry and organic gardening and the aerobic, acrophobic, bloodletting workouts (think: windmills, wrenches, tanks, pipes, panels and pumps) required to transition a ranch from electrical to solar power?

Fine bought solar panels "to power my new, fabulously expensive solar-powered well pump. The pump came from Denmark, where they don't employ slave labor and where they don't retail at Wal-Mart. Poor people in Chad don't own this pump. The boutique device was ... buried a hundred forty feet below the ground" -- at further expense, presumably. These expenses just pile up. In order to get "serious about kicking unleaded once and for all" -- quite an aspiration when the nearest town, and thus the nearest supply outpost, lies across "spine-rattling New Mexico dirt roads" and requires fording an actual river -- Fine had to ditch the Subaru and buy a four-wheel-drive diesel Monster Truck. Purchased secondhand, the Ford F-250 -- it dwarfs Hummers on the freeway -- was still "quite a bit over Blue Book." Replacing its standard fuel system with a biodiesel fuel system that allowed it to run on food grease salvaged from restaurants cost another crate of ducats: The website for Albuquerque Alternative Energies, where Fine had his conversion done, lists the charge as $4,000 plus installation.

Add the price of building materials, fencing, animals, feed ... and the whole project, to borrow Fine's own adjective, starts to sound a bit boutique. Which isn't to say that it isn't still admirable in principle.

After a suburban childhood and young adulthood spent backpacking around Third World war zones as a reporter, Fine yearned to know "whether it was possible, whether I was firmly on the way to independent, local, oil-reduced surivival or doomed to the fate of those, like most of my family and friends still, who believe that the current McGlobal Economy is eternal" -- i.e., that "unlike any society that came before, we'll figure out a way to keep this Super Bowl-watching, espresso-drinking, GPS-guided-car-driving party going no matter what the ice caps, a couple of Jihadists … and some nasty microbes in the Hot Zone have to say. It's the societal equivalent of not thinking about dying."

And he went west with a workable plan. An expensive plan, sure, but credit the guy for at least calculating this in advance. Because it was a long-term plan, its initial hassle and high cost were pretty much mandatory to ensure less hassle, lower cost and less hypocrisy in perpetuity. Fine admits knowing from the outset "that even if I wanted to, I couldn't completely cut out petroleum and Chinese slave factory products … in the first year or two." The reasons for this were partly technical, partly emotional: In the latter case, he likes ice cream a whole lot. But he planned for that, too, buying female goats via Craigslist almost immediately after arriving at the ranch.

Nature threw him for a few loops: the longest drought since the Ice Age, a crop-killing heatwave, a car-floating flood. Coyotes made a buffet of his hens. A goat got deathly ill. Such scenes certify Fine's membership in that age-old coterie of author-adventurers who turned real-life quests into literature: from Richard Halliburton's The Royal Road to Romance to Alexandra David-Neel's Magic and Mystery in Tibet and beyond. Fine's quest, as he explained to one New Agey neighbor, was "to show that a regular American can still live like a regular American, only on far fewer fossil fuels." In the telling, we get sapphire skies, big fat rattlesnakes, and "women with names like Darla." For an adventure narrative to wholly win our hearts, so -- pretty much -- does its narrator. A certain repetitiveness in Fine's jokes -- a fence droops "like Bush's approval ratings"; a snake is the scariest spectacle "outside of a Bush press conference" -- tends to beat on the brain. So, too, do his mispellings and other mistakes, which editors should have caught: the Virgin of "Guadeloupe," not "Guadalupe," for instance, and "comprised of food" instead of "composed."

That Fine's quest was ecologically noble certifies this book as a 21st century consumer product. Prediction: We'll probably be seeing lots more of these sagas over the next few years. A new version of the rural hippie commune dwellers who in the late '60s and early '70s were called "back-to-the-landers" has arisen, growing organic produce again, mucking out their own henhouses again -- but now they do it outfitted with Bluetooths, while researching animal viruses online. Yesteryear's back-to-the-landers were counterculturalists, dropping out of the mainstream. Today's version, as exemplified by the Netflix-loving Fine, desire not to leave the mainstream but lead it.

So this book functions only secondarily as an adventure saga. Primarily it's a blueprint for changing the bigger picture, concluding with some concrete ways to achieve this. "First," Fine urges, "vote for sustainable candidates. In other words, make carbon reduction among your top voting priorities." As a "card-carrying Independent" who mistrusts the two-party system and believes that "carbon-reduction is patriotic," Fine wants to ensure "that the corrupt idiots who are causing the bulk of the world's environmental problems get booted." So: "Really ask the candidates: What do you plan to do to make the U.S. (or our city, or school district) carbon-neutral?"

Second, eat locally. "Our food choices account for 30 percent of our carbon emissions." Maybe you buy your groceries at the supermarket across the street, but "the average tomato," Fine intones, "travels fifteen hundred miles from the field to the table."

"Third, drive on something other than fossil fuels, to help create a viable market for biofuels." Sure, it costs a bundle. But Fine reports that his Albuquerque biofuel mechanic "says it takes about four to six months to pay off a veg-oil conversion in lower fuel costs."

"Fourth, fight sprawl in your community." Watch developers like desert hawks. "We know we'll have a handle on sprawl when new-home sales are no longer reported as a major sector of the American economy."

Fine ideas, but again they raise slightly uncomfortable issues. Eating locally is yummy enough in Florida and California and on one's own ranch. It's a taller order for those millions living in metropolises and/or in winter-blizzard country. And running large numbers of vehicles on salvaged restaurant grease depends on a much, much larger number of human beings consuming vast quantities of unhealthy fried food. As for sprawl, should we buy huge rural spreads for our private ownership -- hey, it beats more malls and suburban housing tracts -- or work to have such spreads transformed into public regional parks and farmland we can share?

But credit Fine with honest self-effacement. During the flood, he wondered: "What the hell was I doing here, trying to raise goats and pretending I chewed tobacco? I felt like Bily Crystal parodying a cowboy lifestyle." Eyeing his reflection in the river, "all I saw in the water was a scared freak in a straw hat and wet flannel shirt flecked with alfalfa hay feed. I could barely keep two head of livestock alive for two weeks."

Ultimately -- spoiler alert! -- he succeeds. The ranch goes solar. The truck runs on food grease. The livestock and the organic garden provide such an abundance of eggs, milk and produce that Fine sells and barters the excess.

And he's still there.

"For a latchkey kid nurtured on Gilligan and Quarter Pounders, it's a sign that truly anything is possible. Like an Exxon executive biking to work," he muses. "And it only took me 36 years."

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Anneli Rufus is the author of several books, including Party of One: The Loners' Manifesto.

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You don't have to go to that extreme to make a difference...
Posted by: asilsfable on Apr 5, 2008 12:19 AM   
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I've weatherized my home and and now use only a quarter of the electricity I did before. I'm planting fruit trees and saving money to put the new artificial turf (grass-like) for my son's play area.

We walk to his daycare. I walk to the library where we borrow movies and shows to watch. We walk to the local Trader Joe's.

And this is all in Los Angeles--arguably the most car centered place in America. It's doable, this notion of a smaller carbon footprint--and you don't have to go Amish to attain it.

Soon, I'll have saved up enough to get solar panels to go off the grid--if I want. Now that I've lowered my consumption, it's much cheaper.

It's not as difficult as one might imagine.

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» off the grid? Posted by: toddcory
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Good point
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 5, 2008 1:31 AM   
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If someone wants to write a useful book, it should be called "Saving the Planet and Simplifying Your Life for Regular Shmucks". It should have practical ideas that ordinary folks can afford. We've seen enough of these "voluntary simplicity" stories written by management consultants, systems analysts, and investment bankers.

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gag me with a spoon
Posted by: profmarcus on Apr 5, 2008 3:24 AM   
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i have family roots in new mexico - albuquerque, las vegas, roswell, and santa fe - and one of my fondest dreams was to live in northern new mexico and soak in the magnificent landscape, breathe the rarefied air, and bathe in the preternaturally vivid light... i did that... for nearly five years, i lived the rural new mexico life among the other transplanted seekers, eco-freaks, aging hippies, new age woo-woo nut jobs, shirley mcclaines, and struggling artists who sprinkled themselves among the 8th generation hispanics and pueblo native americans who looked around and wondered what the hell they had done to deserve this latest visit from the conquistadors...

right now, i'm sitting at my desk in kabul, afghanistan, reading the above drivel and thanking my lucky stars that i had the good sense to get the hell out before i too became just another gringo transplant, staking out my own personal shangri-la, and congratulating myself on how much smarter, cooler, greener, and more spiritual i am than all those other poor bastards...

puh-le-e-e-e-eze... spare me...

And, yes, I DO take it personally

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If
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 AM   
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someone wants to do this, and can afford to do this.. by all means have at it. Anybody who is willing to raise food and maybe even sell it is fine by me. So what if he has money? Hes putting it good use and living out his dreams. How many people here on alternet can say that? You have a choice as to how you live your life and how you react to what life throws you. This article is a whole lot of sour grapes and I fully support ANYONE who is willing to change their lives and try and hack it as a farmer or even a homesteader. He likes netflix? So what? get over it.

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Good for Him!
Posted by: Pirate Queen on Apr 5, 2008 4:32 AM   
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What a trip! NM is certainly primordial in places, and it's nice to read that someone is getting off the grid in a life-style more pleasant than that of the local "mesa rat."

And yes, it is sad to note the high cost of simplifying. Another irony ~ like the higher cost of organic foods.

I'm glad the book author was young, savvy, good-valued and yes, wealthy enough, to realize his dream. Now do something about the chem trials out there, please!

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» RE: Good for Him! Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
jealous...
Posted by: JVG on Apr 5, 2008 4:52 AM   
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The envy of the reviewer was palpable. It's so interesting how people pick up on "spin."

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privilege
Posted by: mary-alias on Apr 5, 2008 4:59 AM   
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This reminds me of a construction company I know that prides itself on using reclaimed /recycled wood (trucked in from other parts of the country) and every solar, wind etc. doodad they can find on multi-million sprawling "rustic" summer homes reminiscent of the Vanderbilts' "rustic" cottages.The builders and the owners prided themselves on going green. Makes me wanna puke- green bile.

If this writer really wanted to do it right he could have stayed where he was, stopped consuming so much, moved to a cheaper apartment, stopped eating out as much, etc. and given his savings to the people who need a well in Chad, or the kids who need a decent school in Harlem, or those poor New Mexico neighbors who can't get decent medical and dental care.

Feeling self-righteous for buying green often crumbles when you start to wonder where the money goes next, follow the money. To put it simplistically,if I go out out and trade in my 10 year old car that runs just fine for a $50,000 hybrid (not that I have the resources to do so) and then that $50,000 goes into the pockets of people who want "rustic" summer homes have I done any good?

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Country Yuppies
Posted by: Sparks56 on Apr 5, 2008 5:04 AM   
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I heard Mr. Fine yesterday on NPR's "How We Live". Wouldn't it be nice if we all could afford to follow him and then write a book about it.
Yuppies are moving into my neighborhood of old farmsteads and building McMansions. I wish they would think about doing a little farming. They love to eat organic food but none of them seem to think of growing it. Too much work. Plus, you can't puill a plow with a Porsche. I did hear you can pull a manure spreader with a Ferrari.

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Am I rich?
Posted by: mwildfire on Apr 5, 2008 5:18 AM   
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No, and I'm not looking at New Mexico, and gave up on Vermont because it was too expensive. But land in West Virginia is still cheap. As it turned out, we joined a land trust and the land didn't cost anything, but you can still buy land here for $1000 an acre. The local culture is very redneck and the jobs are scarce. But it rains all year here.
We're not as far along; we've been graveling the road and are about to start building the shed which will store building materials and then be a woodshed; this year we'll build a very energy efficent house and put up solar panels. Next year I'll get the gardens going, plant fruit trees, get checkens and ducks and maybe goats. I won't have the problems this guy did because I've lived here thirty years and done it all before.
So how can we afford to build a house and buy solar panels and fencing, etc? I had jobs for almost four years--the first one paid $24K a year, the second one $20K. This is listed as being below what the average HS graduate earns, tho both required a college degree. But in this economically depressed area, wages are lower--and so are living costs. My boyfriend is a geek but earns much less, because of the area and because most of his clients are non-profits. So, my big secret: we didn't blow money on all manner of junk. I saved more than half my income. I chose not to have health insurance; my car gets 43 MPG (and has 218,000 miles on it); we cook at home. We will do all of the work on our hopuse ourselves.
I quite agree that the article, and some of the comments, reek of jealousy, and I want to point out that it isn't envy only of someone who has money. What this lifestyle conversion requires is not so much money as energy--and boldness. Willingness to work hard, to experience change, to live differently than friends. It is NOT necessary to be wealthy, and as someone above pointed out, a rural lifestyle is not necessary for reducing one's carbon footprint. There isn't room in the country for everyone--but if city people begin buying locally, and "if" we are forced to use much less fossil fuel soon, we will need a whole lot more farmers. Getting started now while there's still fossil fuel for certain energy-intensive but one-time investments to be made (building a house, putting up solar panels and/or windmills, constructing barns) makes a lot of sense.

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Sorry...
Posted by: wal55 on Apr 5, 2008 5:20 AM   
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…but this write-up reminds me of bush playing "cowboy" on his "ranch”…

41 acres? That's not "owning the land for as far as you can see" - it's just an overgrown playground (unless one is able to grow AND SELL specialty crops). It might provide a wonderful place to live, but you’d better have an off-farm source of income; a small farm can quickly become a money sink.

I wonder how long Mr. Fine will remain enamored of this "project" - will his interest in living there last long enough to justify his investment? Or will all of the expense of "going green" be thrown away - just like everything else in our throw-away culture?

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And don't come back
Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 5, 2008 5:21 AM   
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If this "dude" truly wanted to go green he would have set up a non-profit and granted money to homeowners to help them weatherize or put up solar. Instead, this boy is on safari dahling, what an adventurer. Oh, the danger of the locals and Lions too!

I'm willing to be that his fellow elitists in a piece of old Mexico will accept his money just fine. soon enough he'll too be complaining of the dangerous wetbacks criss crossing his landscape. Must be nice to be rich.

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Nice fantasy
Posted by: Artkansas on Apr 5, 2008 5:24 AM   
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At the end of the day he's paying for this by writing a book about his adventures. How many trees will be cut to publish this book? Where are the books made. Will he really be able to stay on his farm living ecologically, or will he be staying in hotels and pumping the lecture circuit?

Some good ideas no doubt. But for most, a fantasy.

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Another "Yes, but"
Posted by: GPFrank on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 AM   
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What is the annual rainfall and how much water is being "mined" and do you hear about all of the water rights disputes?
The problems and catastrophes associated with
trying to build paradise and luxury in arid regions was chronicled and predicted in "A Country In the Mind"
by Stegner and Devoto, (Routledge, NY,2000)
Remember all the homesteaders who couldn't make it
on the 160 acres and the land swindles that followed?
Would not Minnesota or Wisconsin have been more feasible?

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Going Green -- Making Green?
Posted by: taxidriver on Apr 5, 2008 6:14 AM   
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Nothing wrong with going green ... but the goal seems to be to record all his funky adventures with the local flora and fauna, then sell the fantasy to those of us stuck in our respective ruts -- thereby making lots of green. Isn't this just a variation on those "Tuscany" and "Year in Provence" books? More navel-gazing and self-congratulation, with a little self-deprecation thrown in for "humility" and humor? I guess if you like it, buy it.

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So who gets to tell the story?
Posted by: hagwind on Apr 5, 2008 6:19 AM   
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Any experience that shows affluent urban dwellers that they can't control everything is a step in the right direction, IMO. If Doug Fine is telling everybody to do likewise, he's full of manure. (OTOH, composted manure can help good things grow.) If his example gives lots of people some insight into what they're doing -- great. The worth of a symphony or a painting or book doesn't depend on its ability to make people run out and compose their own symphonies, paint their own paintings, write their own books, or otherwise follow in the creator's footsteps.

We do have a little problem here, and Anneli Rufus seems to have overlooked it. I can't overlook it because I live in a place where many affluent urban people come to get away from their affluent urban lives, and in creating their alternatives they've made it hard-to-impossible for the rest of us to live here. What I can't help noticing is that nearly all the stories about such places are written by the affluent urban people who move in, not by the people who've been there forever (or at least for a long time). There are many reasons for this. One is that even those of us who have stories to tell and the skills to tell them well have a real hard time getting the kind of access to agents and publishers and big-circulation magazines that the Doug Fines have, and when we do get it, we're expected to tell the stories that the agents and publishers and big-circulation magazines think their readers want to read.

Affluent liberal oh-so-well-intentioned readers, from "yuppie farmers" to eco-tourists, don't like to be compared to imperial colonizers -- the ones who arrive in a new place, don't recognize that it's already inhabited by sentient beings, and proceed to make it over into their idea of paradise. So we don't get to tell our side of the story. We do get bit parts as "local color" in other people's stories.

Oh yeah -- and we get to read liberal commentators taking each other's inventory in print. Big fun!

P.S. 41 acres would be a fair-size farm in New England -- the mere idea of clearing 41 acres of rocks every year wears me out. I'm not familiar with the soil and weather conditions in New Mexico. How many acres does it take to sustain X number of sheep and goats and grow Y amount of vegetables? Is a 41-acre farm in New Mexico all that big?

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Urban Sprawl Sucks!!!!
Posted by: craigandrew on Apr 5, 2008 6:44 AM   
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We don't need yuppies moving out into rural areas to start an "eco-friendly lifestyle", we need yuppies to stay in the cities and start an eco-friendly lifestyle... and spend their money on social issues and the like.

Rich people moving out of the cities and into the country side to raise lamas is just another example of rich people avoiding the problems they created.

Poor people can't use money to avoid their problems, so why should we get all excited when rich people do it.

OK, rant over... :)

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I Like Bumbling Heroes!
Posted by: PaulK on Apr 5, 2008 6:50 AM   
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Your Earth is unhealthy!

Humans then fall into two classes. The first class pays someone else to tell them how rotten and ineffectual they are, then they shrug their shoulders and go off and be ineffectual.

The second class of human does something stupid, and we can all throw tomatoes at their stupidity. Isn't that what life is all about? In general, throwing tomatoes at someone who tried and failed? OK, the guy took his wealth and went off and did something that most of us couldn't afford, and he occasionally got burned. Then he figured out how to do things a bit better. And he has a writer's skills to record his failures and successes.

Do yourself a favor and be this second class of human being.

If you play guitar, try some new lyrics. If you succeed, our world will be a bit more liberated. If you goof up, you'll learn why.

If you build or invent, make some kind of solar energy 1% more cost-efficient.

Take your life in your hands if you can, otherwise at least stick your toe in the water. "Why on Earth are you here? / You're not the little thing of fear" -- John Lennon, "Instant Karma".

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You can't run, you can't hide, and retreat is not an option.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 5, 2008 6:53 AM   
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That's the nature of the modern world. You can't go escape to your idyllic in-touch-with-nature retreat - because the whole planetary system is changing, it's warming - and the American Southwest is drying out.

The tough little juniper trees will probably do fine - but not the big soft wet humans who've tried to export their east coast water-rich lifestyles to the middle of the southwestern desert - the freaking Anvil of the Sun - and who are still relying on coal power for most of their electricity.

Smog from coal fills the entire Southwestern region - you can see it in the most remote areas. 90% of New Mexico's electricity is coal-generated - in a state that has among the highest solar power potentials of anywhere in the U.S. Are our "back-to-nature-yuppies" going to try and change that situation?

Or will they simply take what wealth they've managed to accumulate during their baby boomer careers, and head off to some patch of high ground to sip martinis and slowly watch the sun go down?

Oh, it's understandable enough. I think they used to call what Mr. Fine did "dude ranching." Here's a blurb on it from "A History of Dude Ranching":

"Dude ranches got their start in the West in the 1880s not long after the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Many wealthy foreigners made hunting trips and sight seeing excursions to the American West which was home to abundant wild game and provided magnificent unspoiled scenery. A famous early dude was Theodore Roosevelt. After World War I the popularity of dude ranches increased enormously and during the 20s and 30s they were the main tourist attraction in the Rocky Mountain area. Writers like Owen Wister, Zane Grey and Mary O’Hara and painters like Remington and Russell brought the fabulous romance of cowboy life on an open frontier to millions throughout the world. Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show was an unprecedented success in Europe and the East.

At the same time the industrial revolution was transforming the East Coast, polluting and scarring the countryside and destroying wildlife. It is no wonder that the mystic of the West attracted many talented and sometimes eccentric people who felt hemmed in at home by social constraints and dense populations. Galloping horses, wild Indians, hard riding cowboys, magnificent scenery and, above all, the intoxicating freedom of the frontier captured the imagination of the Western World. In the West a man was judged for his courage, ability and performance; not for his family background.


Hmmmmm... Manifest Destiny, anyone?

As far as the droughts, floods and heatwaves - this is global warming in action, not "a long drought." It's only going to get worse across the American Southwest. People always talk about wanting to "get in touch with Nature" - but when Nature decides to get in touch with you, she won't take no for an answer.

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Beautiful people with beautiful feelings
Posted by: chlamor on Apr 5, 2008 7:17 AM   
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There is much pretending throughout the progressive and liberal community.

Success and the good life, credentials and status, position and privilege must be protected, at least for people like "us." At the same time, our position and privilege is dependent upon playing a certain role. We must pretend that we are not defending privilege and position and must pretend that we are for the downtrodden. We must pretend that privilege and position is all earned, and that anyone could have anything that we have. We must defend the system of dog-eat-dog competition

When our bluff is called, there is no amount of time and energy we will spare in internecine warfare arguing fine points of what a liberal is, or what our position should be on each and every minute issue and sub-issue and variations on every issue. These arguments can never be resolved, because there is no basis of consensus. Actually there is a consensus, but an important component of the consensus is that we never talk about it and we must pretend that it isn't there.

The consensus from which liberals-progressives-Democrats operate:

"We are the better people. We are smarter, we are humane, we are more compassionate, we are better informed. We are better citizens, we are more cooperative and realistic. We are winners, not losers, and we deserve everything we get. We are spiritually superior. We are centered and balanced, calm and insightful. We are on the right side of history. We are building a better world.

Most of the problems in the world are the result of stupid people running things. If we smart people were in charge, all of the problems could be solved with science and technology and rational social planning.

Class analysis, and the struggles of working class people against tyranny have no place in modern society. They are obsolete and passe, and only something that we read about or see in movies. Romantic as those stories are, they are no substitute for hard-headed practical reality, whether we like it or not. This is a matter of being a mentally healthy, modern, well-adjusted adult in society. None of the lessons from history apply, because things are different now. Only strange maladjusted people are attracted to obsolete political ideas. They are all obviously losers, and are a great danger, almost as much of a danger as the Republicans are.

Since politics and economics in the traditional sense are dead, we embrace a new paradigm of self improvement and self-actualization. Anything that interferes with our focus on ourselves and our pursuit of creating ourselves as an actualized being is to be rejected. The way to achieve the perfect society is first to create a perfect self. Meanwhile, so long as the authorities do not interfere with our self-actualization, we must comply in all ways with that authority. This allows us perfect self-expression within perfect social conformity. Anyone who attacks our personal choices is the enemy, and anyone who attacks the social system based on personal choice is also the enemy.

Others, however, who do not share our values are not to be given personal choice, when and as we can prove that their personal choices are wrong, often with convoluted claims that their choice impacts us somehow. We support the police state and massive incarceration of people, so long as they are being harassed and imprisoned for the right reasons. Any variance from our idea as to how people should be is the right reason, by definition.

We believe that we must “be the change we wish to see,” and the change we wish to see is more people like us: polite, talented, beautiful, intelligent, calm, successful, clever, enlightened. So we merely need to be ourselves, focus on ourselves, and serve ourselves. Those who cannot or will not become like us need to back down and get out of the way."

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Information is Out There
Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 5, 2008 7:38 AM   
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The October/November 2007 issue of Mother Earth News featured this article -"75 Ways To Live On Less And Love It". There are some practical and easy things that can be implemented by anyone, anywhere. In the process of living for less money there is also the opportunity to go more green.

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The only manure here is from the writers
Posted by: Jim Swanson on Apr 5, 2008 7:43 AM   
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As someone who fell for the "get in touch with nature" movement decades ago I slowly came to realize that rural living has a considerably greater impact on the environment and is usually rooted in an attempt to escape reality: the poor, the homeless, the different. I had never lived in such a narrow minded and bigoted environment before that attempt.
A little reality: urban residents pay the taxes to support rural lifestyles. In some rural areas the residents receive 7 times what they pay in taxes in government benefits. The costs of roads, utilities, deliveries, and on and on are paid for by poor people working in cities (they usually receive less than 70% of what they pay in taxes while most rural residents try to live outside the tax laws, thus paying even less).
The most environmentally friendly lifestyle would be to take the marginal plains lands back to their natural state, limit most rural living to those actually involved in agricultural activities and encourage the majority of us (less than 3% of Americans are involved in agriculture) to live in high density, energy efficient cities. Laws mandating energy efficiency for all buildings, focusing on renewable energy, public transportation and easy walking and bicycle access, hydroponic and other high density food growth within the cities, and more could decrease our footprint. The authors have magnified theirs while creating the illusion that they are somehow holier than the rest of us. Bullshit (actually most bulls are now gone so it should probably be cowshit). They are just trying to escape from the reality of life: Americans come in all colors, sizes, cultures, sexualities, and we must all learn to live together.
I believe I should repeat what I have experienced: the new rurals adopt the racist, sexist, overly religious, and narrow minded behaviors of the indigenous populations and even try to expand the bigotry. Some of the worst schools are in areas with large "return to the earth" populations. Get real.

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His rules are poorly thought-out
Posted by: janvdb on Apr 5, 2008 7:44 AM   
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Rule 1) OK, no problem.
Rule 2) Eat locally. The fuel used to transport food is only one aspect of its ecological cost. Buy organic, OK. Local? Why? Some careful work has been done on that and the results are that it makes no sense to be rigid about distance transported only. What about processing? What about greenhouse heat for sprouting the sets in cold climates? Why refuse the produce of the world's poor farmers? Mexican tomatoes, if organic, are excellent, feed Mexicans and are far better for the environment than locally-grown greenhouse output, for instance.

Rule 3) Now this is really wrong-headed. Biofuels have already lead to food riots from Bangladesh to Senegal. Food prices are shooting up, largely due to the use of food to produce fuel.

Millions will starve due to biofuels.

If you only use only would-have-been-discarded McDonald's grease, sure, that works but there isn't NEARLY enough of it. This is just dumb.

Rule 4) What good is this going to do? Once children have been born, they have to live somewhere. Don't fight "sprawl," fight population growth where it starts -- at conception. Which brings us to what should be his Rule 1 -- have no children or one child. And support international family planning.

Finally, even with all this author's actions, he is doing more damage to the environment living out there in the woods than would be a common city-dweller. I live in rural Colorado and we don't really want a lot of these types moving in here pushing up the price of land, building more housing and encouraging the splitting of the land down into these little tiny 40-acre parcels.

Also, there isn't enough water for everyone to camp out and write books like this guy.

Stay in the city, eat organic and don't have kids. That's my advice.

Jan VanDenBerg

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» RE: His rules are poorly thought-out Posted by: boydranchitos
edgeofnowhere
Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Apr 5, 2008 7:54 AM   
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Read "THE LONG EMERGENCY" by James Howard Kunstler. Regardless of where you are in the world, you will soon be making some unpleasant choices regarding your lifestyle. Very interesting book.

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» Unpleasant choices Posted by: Cathyc
urban refugee
Posted by: rawles on Apr 5, 2008 8:13 AM   
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It's the effort that matters. Good on ya!

No one person can ever be truly self-sufficient, but one can find creative ways to be more self-dependent when it comes to food, shelter or transportation regardless of where we live.

In today's world we do everything with money, sacrificing ALL our time to earn money to buy things. The modern American paradigm that 'time is money' needs to go. In my mind, the essence of the author's quest is learning how to do more for one's self. How can I become more self-reliant?

Where DOES my food come from? What IS in my water? Why am I worn out from working a job to pay the bills with minimal time to be creative, or simply relax?

Is my lifestyle sustainable?

Real change happens one person at a time, inch by inch.

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I've seen my share come and go
Posted by: ecoalex on Apr 5, 2008 9:09 AM   
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Being born on a farm , and watching all the farms being devoured by urban encroachment, no matter how historic, Valley Forge, Gettysburg, both lost their historic feel,the thought of land use must change.The idea of a home on some land as an investment is absurd, if people are trying to have a quality of life.Mine has been ruined 3x, as I retreat from the encroachment, about every 15 years or so.I thought I'd stay, and sell locally to the new neighbors, but too many were poisoning the land with their new found chemical love affair.Many admitted they wanted an investment, not a place for spiritual renewal, and the satisfaction of knowing what was in their food, by growing it.I believe the European model works best. Cluster housing, condos, multilevel housing that is well planned, leaving the farmland to be farmed.With the US a food importer now,the farmland that remains must be protected.Sadly, the best farmland is gone, it is always built on first,leaving less productive soils for our food.We need to seriously discuss farming, food, farmland use, and local sourcing as much as possible.In colder climes, there are nutritious foods to be grown, and stored, cold frames to extend seasons,thought, consciousness must be the motivator, not monetary gain from the development of farmland,woodland, these are finite, people are not.

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Author Makes A Good Point
Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 5, 2008 9:40 AM   
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I think the author makes a good point and I am not just picking up on "spin." That is great for someone who can afford it. There is NOTHING I would like better than to live away from civilization, but I just can't find a way that would be even semi realistic. Meanwhile, I have reduced my carbon foot prints by involuntary downward mobility; you know, having a a far less affluent lifestyle than my family. I live without a car, air conditioning, a garbage disposal, dishwasher, cell phone and gee, I don't feel heroic at all. But I would give a left kidney to move far far away from those ignorant, inconsiderate morons who blare their boom boxes at 3 in the morning. A curse on every one of them!!!

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Don't forget to fight to overturn the ban on Cannibas, Mr. Yuppie !
Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 5, 2008 10:20 AM   
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Hemp can easily replace petroleum 100% and what with conservation not so easy to get around at, you'll get a far higher EROI on hemp than you will on petroleum.

http://www.hempcar.org/indexOLD.html

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Try living in a different country
Posted by: ladmeaux on Apr 5, 2008 10:22 AM   
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I am an expat living in Nepal. All of our water is solar heated. We have no house heating. All we use is electricity, and since we have "load shedding" - brownouts - around seven hours every day (and it isn't from midnight to six am) - its not a big bill. No gas - we use propane cannisters. No car - just a moped. My wife and I like it just fine. Well, she's Nepalese, so that helps.

DH
Patan, Nepal

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That's admirable
Posted by: Balanchine on Apr 5, 2008 10:41 AM   
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I've lived in LA for 23 years and would love to weatherize my home too. If only I and millions like me afford one!

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These are first steps
Posted by: youngdem on Apr 5, 2008 10:46 AM   
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These folks are pioneers of a sort, their systems are by definition not ones that everyone can do, but by investing their time and effort (and money), they are learning, and sharing, important lessons that will hopefully inspire mass-marketable or mass-adoptable techniques. For the rest of us, there's a lot people can do (or not do) in the standard suburban home to make a difference. Seriously, even smaller turbines would make a big difference if mass-adopted, either by office buildings or by private home owners/apt. buildings.

http://store.altenergystore.com/Wind-Systems/

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The romance
Posted by: CJC on Apr 5, 2008 10:58 AM   
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Ah, the arrogance and ignorance of romance.
profmarcus above said it very well. (And without knowing what took profmarcus to Kabul there's no need for snarky comments. (The Big Raven))

Here's a NYTimes story from Wednesday about drug addiction in one of the most beautiful areas of northern NM.
"A Grim Tradition and the Long Struggle to End It"
www.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/us/02overdose.html?

It's easy to fall in love with northern NM and like all romances the romance is easier to keep up the less you know. I would think the same would hold for the romantic idea of "living off the land." NM is high desert, not a benign or practical environment for being self-sufficient. A couple of years ago my husband and I took a Museum of NM trip to abandoned homesteads in the Rio Puerco, about 75-100 miles west of Santa Fe. The habitations are abandoned because no one can make a living. Hello, does that tell us something?
Does Fine's book have a carbon balance sheet? It would be interesting if he can demonstrate that his new life leaves a smaller carbon footprint than his old one.

Here's a relevant movie from about 2005 entitled "Off the Map" about an anglo-outsider family living on the land west of Taos.

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Go and watch "Easy Rider"
Posted by: ghoster on Apr 5, 2008 12:03 PM   
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The New Buffalo commune in the seventies, yup looks like the same thought process at work here, can't make a long term living and sooner or later people realize that it ain't worth the effort to "go green" Northern NM ain't paradise folks, it just looks like for a few months of the year. Nice place to visit just try and live there. Excluding Santa Fe, old money, old attitudes. But hey each to his own, if you figure out the money and effort and it works for you go live there. I choose a tropical beach area for my retreat, warmer and with more food.

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Getting off the Grid isnt that hard...
Posted by: dikjosef on Apr 5, 2008 1:50 PM   
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Just join a collective or intentional community. If I were to be upset by my working-class urban life, I could easily join up with one of 4 large intentional communities within a few hundred miles, or join other folks I know. I don't understand why everyone thinks you have to go at it alone and buy a bunch of land... you don't have to start from scratch. Theres plenty of people doing it already.
I have a friend that runs a sustainable open source engineering research cooperative north of Kansas city. They operate on grants and donations, which doesn't necessitate much, because they grow most of their own food or get it locally (such as grains and, up until this year, potatoes), and haven't paid a utility bill in 3 years. They filter their own biodiesel from local sources, but now that they had some solar panels donated to them by some institute in Germany, they will be able to decrease their reliance on fuels (biodiesel isn't totally renewable... yet... just wait for the algae). If you have a cause or research goal or any other means of justified financial support, you'd be surprised how easy it is to get off the grid. Of course you have to make lifestyle concessions, get your hands dirty, and be resourceful, but these are all skills we are going to need in the long-run anyways as resource depletion and ecological exploitation pose more and more problems in the coming years.
They built a warm, cozy and spacious cordwood house out of local materials, only with the added cost of a used wood stove and some milled lumberto support the living roof (the windows were free on freecycle!), and a few hardware pieces (which, with a CSM system, could be locally fabricated), he spent 400 dollars building a warm, spacious yurt. They are currently about to build a large living area, sleeping quarters, kitchen/greenhouse, workshop and humanure area onto their greenhouse out of CEBs with a machine they designed, fabricated and assembled themselves, and have since put up the plans online where they are freely available (including to humanitarian organizations, environmental justice groups and sustainable development projects), and will soon produce the machines onsite for about a 10th of the cost (nearly at cost of materials), because of the efficiency and sustainability in the design.
They have set up this whole sustainable living situation with only a few thousand dollars input by themselves and with the generosity of humanitarian groups, donors, and grants from research institutions. And they are working hard on a simple, manageable and easily fabricated Global Village Toolset for use in similar situations. Thus they are working on an accessible framework for equitable access to the means to sustainability. And there are many other groups doing similar things, like ThinkCycle and EcoSensus and other ecologically and participatory-based institutions which seek to provide the means to eco-empowerment.
If Doug Fine's little venture proves anything, it's that there are many privileged people out there who are willing to waste their resources only to save themselves, when what means and potentialities they have can empower so many. If you are privileged, don't end up like this guy. If you aren't, then join the movement, the more the better. We can all work together towards sustainability and justice, not just the former.

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More rich guys doing whatever the frack they want
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 5, 2008 2:05 PM   
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Totally. Boring.

Meanwhile the rest of us working chumps have to struggle to eat and have a place to sleep at night while the yuppies do their thing and write books about it.

Watch out rich boyz... come petrocollapse, you got big targets on your backs.

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Do it in stages
Posted by: willymack on Apr 5, 2008 2:37 PM   
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Start small with a garden where you currently live. Once that's successful, go to solar water heating, then solar electricty. A place where the sun shines a lot is a plus but not mandatory. The Southwest (New Mexico) was mentioned. Great place for solar power, and even wind turbines, but bloody hot in the summer and always short on water. My first choice would be Eastern Oregon or Washington. Plenty of sunshine and a lot more water there. Of course, it can get bitterly cold in the winter, and that's where a house built into a hillside with the entrance facing South or Southwest is a viable option. A house with thick earthen walls and a large room with glass bricks as an exterior would serve as a mini greenhouse and the warmth in there can be blown into the rest of the house with fairly cheap fans. The solarium can be used to start flowers and vegetables early in the spring, to be transplanted outside when all danger of frost is past.

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wha' the ****?
Posted by: mont on Apr 5, 2008 3:26 PM   
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I am 70 years old and moved to New Mexico to escape from urban spiritual and physical blight over 40 years ago and have absolutely NEVER regretted it. I live semi off grid ( having partial solar power) on a paltry acre but have a developed garden and a sane life style. I find the local hispanics as fine a group of human beings as can be and in 40 years I have of course had my hassles but in exchange I find a sense of real freedom and control over my life. Previous posters obviously only experienced Taos or Santa Fe and missed the incredible land that is New Mexico. Oh, and having learned to live simply I managed to camp for many years on mexican beaches before, alas, they were spoiled by anxious New Yorkers and their spiritual ilk and now I have to go much much further south to elude these ridiculous human beings. But of course I can afford that having kept the same toyota pick-up truck for 20 years.

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Good Review
Posted by: Drume on Apr 5, 2008 5:49 PM   
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Good review of the book. I enjoyed reading it.

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The author of this article is horribly uninformed
Posted by: tomkara on Apr 5, 2008 7:11 PM   
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While I felt a certain whimsical amusement reading this narrative of a yuppie "back to the lander", the author leaves the impression that going back to the land and becoming somewhat self-sufficient is a monumental task requiring vast sums of money or expertise, and that it's not an option for the teeming metro masses. In fact, there are plenty of places around where you can get a 20-40 acre tract of usable land for under $50K - try the Ozarks for example. You may have to spend money putting in a well, but if you're smart you'll find a place with a good spring and filter your water. There are tons of books and periodical resources (Mother Earth News, Backwood Home etc etc etc) which give practical advice on gardening, raising small animals for food, milk and eggs, taking advantage of cheap solar energy for heating and modest electric needs (Mother Earth News recently had a wonderful article on a do-it-yourself solar hydronic heating system that is not at all expensive or depend on high tech equipment - the system was featured on the cover). Other sources of low tech alternative energy include pedal power. You can still get out of print books on this - using an exercylce to power all kinds of things (and keep the pounds off). Has the author heard of rammed earth homes, homes made with recycled tires, bottles etc etc?? As far as the teeming metro masses go - they have the power to influence elections. Let the metro masses start demanding a solar energy program like Germany's - where it's actually profitable to install solar electric panels almost everywhere - (featured on PBS Nova "Saved by the Sun). Let the teeming metro masses use public transit, or better yet, bicycle to work, which is what I did year around in Chicago for many years, 18 miles a day and loving every minute even in winter. I miss the city even though I live on 80 lovely rural acres - because I could bike safely in the city and can't on these hilly country roads. Let the metro masses organize community gardens and patio gardens and tear up their little lawns and plant useful things instead. Most cities are actually great for gardening because they often stay warmer at night than the counrtyrside both in springtime and into the autumn. It's true that many alternative energy schemes are being devised as means of making money. Some require complex computer controlled systems. I don't oppose making money, but one should not presume that alternative energy cannot be utilized without buying expensive factory made components. We built a solar greenhouse using recylced patio door glass (people break one pane and the glass shops will sell the unbroken panes for $5 - $10) and anyone could build one for a few hundred dollars. Again, lots of educational resources are available. There is even an online site giving directions for making your own small wind generators. Another option for somebody in a city (or the country) is finding an intentional community (go online- lots of places exist!) and living among people who already have expertise and are willing to help newcomers who want to live in ecological and social communion. The author should inform herself of what's available, and Alternet should not be used to create the impression that going green and living ecologically is only for the rich.

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Then there are places like nirvana...
Posted by: herbal on Apr 5, 2008 7:48 PM   
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http://www.hammock.net/troutlake/

Not much money? Why not collectivize and do it with friends? A house in the city has great trade in value x 4 = eco farm.

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what will he do
Posted by: e rice on Apr 5, 2008 8:47 PM   
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if he breaks his leg? if he has his cell phone with him, he might get help before the coyotes get him. what happens if he gets sick and can't call for help? if he's bitten by a snake?

no one survives for very long without the help of others--teh author is not spinning his own thread from his own cotton or wool to weave his own cloth to make his own clothes after he finishes the farmwork. he's not making his own cookware and tools.

others have made the point about be able to afford to re-stock, or repair and replace.

and let's not forget that the only way to sell your produce is to have access to people who will BUY your produce.

i wonder if, ten years from now, he'll write another book that tells how things turn out.

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Metropolis = Eco Lifestyle (unless you are a farmer)
Posted by: klarsen on Apr 5, 2008 9:58 PM   
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Our planet cannot sustain each human living off of 41 acres of land.

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He can't make a living on 41 acres in the desert.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Apr 5, 2008 10:30 PM   
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It's hard enough on 400 acres in Iowa and 400 acres in New York
state leaves you in poverty. On 41 acres in the desert, he is a fake
farmer. He is unlikely to keep himself alive, let alone feed
anybody else without his outside money. Anneli Rufus knows
nothing about farming, Anneli Rufus isn't doing the survivalist
thing without his money, and I see no point in reading his book.

Let's talk about something more interesting.
Why the demise of civilization may be inevitable
downloaded from:
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-
human/mg19826501.500?DCMP=NLC-
nletter&nsref=mg19826501.500
02 April 2008
Debora MacKenzie
Magazine issue 2650

DOOMSDAY. The end of civilization. Literature and film abound
with tales of plague, famine and wars which ravage the planet,
leaving a few survivors scratching out a primitive existence amid
the ruins. Every civilization in history has collapsed, after all.
Why should ours be any different?
Doomsday scenarios typically feature a knockout blow: a massive
asteroid, all-out nuclear war or a catastrophic pandemic (see "The
end of civilization"). Yet there is another chilling possibility: what
if the very nature of civilization means that ours, like all the
others, is destined to collapse sooner or later?
A few researchers have been making such claims for years.
Disturbingly, recent insights from fields such as complexity
theory suggest that they are right. It appears that once a society
develops beyond a certain level of complexity it becomes
increasingly fragile. Eventually, it reaches a point at which even a
relatively minor ...
Continued in New Scientist magazine. Alternet, why don't you
pick more interesting sources?

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» Woops! Doug Fine not Anneli Rufus Posted by: AsteroidMiner
» Level of complexity Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Level of complexity Posted by: e rice
Luddites are queer
Posted by: gellero1 on Apr 6, 2008 12:16 AM   
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Who wants to live at a subsistence level?? Certainly not the masses of the third world.

And why is this looked upon as noble?? People like this are mooches and freeloaders......they depend on the productive members of society to perform surgery on their hearts and brains, engineer and produce their solar panels, develop and manufacture their efficient well pumps.

And then they have the nerve to denigrate 'the rich'.....the productive members of society who provide them with the services and machines they need to give 'meaning' to their parasitic lifestyles.

The true heros of our society are the one designing more efficient jet turbines and cleaner coal plants, not the losers who think living the life of a no carbon footprint savage in Africa is a noble ideal.

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» RE: Luddites are queer Posted by: richholland
» RE: Luddites are queer Posted by: mwildfire
» BLAME THE POOR FOR POVERTY Posted by: jeffreytaos
» RE: Luddites are queer Posted by: talkville
Read this ..
Posted by: messedup on Apr 6, 2008 6:35 AM   
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"better off" by Eric Brende.
Here is an interview with him.
linked text


Although, not a great book by any means it is an easy read and shows quite well the fact that once a city dweller, always a city dweller.

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Math is wrong on payback time for fry oil vehicle conversion
Posted by: baad on Apr 6, 2008 6:51 AM   
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"Third, drive on something other than fossil fuels, to help create a viable market for biofuels." Sure, it costs a bundle. But Fine reports that his Albuquerque biofuel mechanic "says it takes about four to six months to pay off a veg-oil conversion in lower fuel costs."

Maybe for someone driving 30,000 miles or more per year with fuel at $4.00 per gallon, i.e. truck drivers, some other niche groups.

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Going green on an ordinary income
Posted by: HillbillyBob on Apr 6, 2008 7:02 AM   
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I am on a small disability payment.
We bought a foreclosed property, almost 9 acres and a modular house. Well us and the bank for $75,000. I searched long and far for a property we could qualify for. I was not happy to feel predatory, but we could get a fixed rate loan.
The original owners walked away after renting it out and it got trashed.
They did every thing on the cheap no insulation in the crawl space, cheap windows. Shingle roof, little wall and ceiling ins.
We will replace roof and siding with recycled metal panels, and send the shingle and vinyl to be recycled, plus add insulation behind the new roofing and siding.
We use LCD monitors, and CFL lights then will switch to LED light bulbs as the CFLs go, 1 or at a time.
I start with filling gaps with expanding foam insulation, putting gaskets in electric outlets, light fixture/ switch box covers.
Insulating drapery liners(20-25$ per window) one or two sets at a time. I use the drape open/closed to regulate heat gain/loss we have cut our heat fuel consumption by 50% so far.
I use a smaller convection type toaster oven most of the time and cover pans during cooking using less power to the burners.
We plan to take out the elect stove and replace with an induction cooktop, and high efficiency oven. I also want to build a solar oven for slow cooking.
We just bought a Bosch FL washer, it's very stingy with water and clothes are cleaner and less beaten up than with TL it replaced.
We are planting an organic garden, fruit and nut trees to replace the dying pines that are dying from bark beetle, planted after the last clear cut and rebuild the forest on our land.
We don't fertilize the lawn, we are adding clover seed to it clover is a nitro fixer, besides the lawn is some wild grass that was chest high.
The house had been vacant for 2 1/2 years.
We don't waste well water on it either, We are slowly putting in fruit trees and other edible landscaping. Eventually we will get a robot electric lawnmower that recharges by a solar panel for what little lawn is left after planting trees and edible landscaping.
We are also planting Giant Sequoias, they are insect and fire resistant as well as huge CO2 sinks. We have also planted Moso Bamboo, which has edible shoots we plan to sell and grows to tree size it is also fire resistant and CO2 sink, plus yields useful timber for building and flooring.
We bought a solar water heater, we have to save up for the balance of system, which will provide domestic hot water and radiant under floor heating. We plan to go solar/wind once we cut our consumption to a level we can generate.

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» Sounds great, Hillbillybob! Posted by: Cathyc
» going green in nyc Posted by: saxon
Going green on an ordinary income
Posted by: HillbillyBob on Apr 6, 2008 8:03 AM   
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Opps, hit post instead of preview.
We also traded the dying gas hog van with a Nissan Versa (34-37mpg@ 70mph).
We are planning to put our well and solar water heater pumps on separate solar power, that way we will have running hot water when the local grid is down as it is often. Our local power is mostly coal fired and it is down frequently when we have weather events.
We also plan a rain harvest system to feed the toilets, solar water heater, clothes washer, and irrigation for dry times. Solar pump assisted gravity, and UV lighted circulation to keep it clean. Our well water is very hard and hard on the plumbing.
The gray water system will be feeding an artificial wetland then to the fruit trees. This will take the dishwasher, hand washing sinks and clothes washer load off of the septic system, maybe later we will be able to install composting toilets, but at several thousand dollars each it is doubtful we will be able to afford them.
We have started switching to green cleaning products.
We use junk mail paper shredded for mulch as well as trying to opt out as many mailing lists as possible. We also recycle what we can too.

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Every community college in the USA should have "off grid techniques" classes
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 6, 2008 9:35 AM   
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Every community college in the USA should have "sustainiable living" classes ...maybe a TV show for do-it-yourself-ers?

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How quaint. m.
Posted by: lwbaby on Apr 6, 2008 8:02 PM   
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You chose to live green. How nice for you.

Mean while, many people live green out of necessity. They live in close quarters, share rides, cook soups and stews to feed family, neighbors and hungry friends. A smart car is the bus.

Don't pat yourself on the back too much, you still have choices most of us who are forced to live *small* don't.

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Kudos to Mr Fine!
Posted by: talkville on Apr 7, 2008 3:28 AM   
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And a lot of us are finding the same 'urges' and 'impulses' overtaking us: all headed to find great places under bridges and abandoned structures and anywhere else left in the Wasteland. Those great and comfortable 3 jobs just didn't seem worth it -- they were too wasteful and exhausting and demeaning to continue.

The Fundamentalists keep telling everyone that they Worship False Idylls!!

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Getting out of the fishtank and surviving.
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Apr 7, 2008 3:48 AM   
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I'm not rich, never had any real money, and can't relate to people who come to the rural community with the capital to buy large land parcels, prebuilt homes, pay for conversion of their vehicles, while keeping a second guzzler on the stand-by, and have neve had to chop their own wood by neccesity. (Winona Ryder excluded) Arriving in New Mexico penniless, like many others, I bought my 1-4 acre on auction, cut my firewood, traded when I could, carried the water home in the back seat of a subaru, having been lucky enough to have one at all, and shared music with my neighbors, all the while we toiled for those who have free time and capital savings from the sell off of their previous assets, to write books, join writers groups, take part-time art classes, and complain about the dirty hippies. I'm sorry, but some of us live in nature because not only do we love it, but because it's a better choice then living on the underside of a rat infested cauldron of decay that some call cities. I love my life and will go on educating and working with my neighbors to build a truly sustainable community, not just something to tell the New Yorkers about. A truly sustainable community means share and share alike, help each other through the hard times, and don't ignore the ones who are cold or unable. www.slowbuffalo.wordpress.com and also www.blueflowermountain.wordpress.com Shameless of me. I'm glad there are so many comments. Jeffrey

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Grow a LOT of Potatoes this year!
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Apr 7, 2008 6:32 AM   
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They're easy to grow (you can even cut out the portion that is sprouting on store-bought potatoes and plant them, using the rest to eat.)
The deer won't eat them, so you can even grow them in a distant plot in the woods. They are a pretty plant, too, especially the blue potatoes; with their darker smaller leaves and purple flowers, they made a lovely border planting!

Most of all, they keep well UNDERGROUND
....in the eco-friendly, heat-and cooling efficient Bomb shelter you'll be retreating to after Bush or McCain start WWIII by nuking Iran ...beats the FEMA Gulag!

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some random comments
Posted by: lexicon on Apr 7, 2008 10:02 AM   
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First off, with respect to the big debate over whether or not a 40 acre farm is "enough"...

yes. it is.

Unless, of course, you're thinking of it in terms of being a "business". There will be no real profit in a 40 acre farm, but done smartly, and pragmatically, it can sustain.

I am myself embarking on the odyssey of "disengagement" from the grid. I have a parcel of New England land that is a little bigger than the author's plot, and some 150 years ago, it was functioning farmland. there are no structures on the land besides the ubiquitous New England stone walls, cutting hither and yon. Bones of the previous incarnation of pastures.

I had a sort of epiphany one day, sitting next to a big cellar hole I'd dug with my "recycled" back-hoe...I found myself out of money, and staring at the huge pile of glacial erratics that I'd pulled from the hole, and realized that the answer was, they were going to go right back into the hole, and become my home's foundation. I would build a fieldstone foundation, out of the rocks that had lain in that exact place since the dawn of time.

In fact, I would build the whole thing right off the land. Mostly, that is...while I could create my own stone foundation and my own lumber, I would not be doing myself favors by trying to smelt copper for pipes and wires...

But, you say...after I've finished, I've put far more work...precious time...into it than I needed to...after all, I could have it done quicker by hiring people and borrowing money. But, at the end of it, I'd have worked those hours ANYWAY to earn money to pay for it, and In the end I'd have no money and a house.

One thing is perfectly, absolutely true in this American life we've got for ourselves...From where I sit in the whole scheme of things, money is really a flow. I can no more hold onto it than I can hold water. The more I achieve, and the higher my earning power is, the higher go my obligations...such that, when you get right down to it, I am really no better off (in economic terms) today, earning 10 times what I earned as a freshly-minted adult, as I was back then.

lexicon

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» RE: some random comments Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
Negative much?
Posted by: audiodef on Apr 7, 2008 10:50 AM   
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I don't like the tone of this article. The author is saying, between the lines, that getting off the grid and being green is for the wealthy eccentric. Screw that.

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bhager
Posted by: bhager on Apr 7, 2008 6:56 PM   
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Doug Fine's book in no way describes a vision of sustainability. The energy cost of rural escapism is way too high. The only justification for living in a rural area is if you are producing something of value. 150 years ago rural America provided the energy for our growing civilization- food and forage. That can happen again. Many of us are building sustainable farms on the periphery of cities. We are restoring the soil and sequestering carbon, reducing food miles, and improving the nutritional content of food. There is an old saying, "cities are for people, and the country is for cows". We need to rebuild cities on the Ecocity model and surround these population centers with farms to create a sustainable civilization. Urban residents escaping to the country is exactly the wrong thing to do.

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» RE: bhager Posted by: mwildfire
we need 50 million farmers
Posted by: steb on Apr 8, 2008 12:30 PM   
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The consensus is the post petroleum era will prove the need for 50 million Americans to farm the land. Close to the numbers a hundred and fifty years ago. A reasonable goal would be for every rural homestead to produce enough for ten others. One in six would be farmers, while the rest live in highly efficient communities to carry out non-farm related activity.

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How much did it cost for him to start up?
Posted by: steven w on Apr 8, 2008 1:20 PM   
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How much?

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Fine is a Bev Hillbilly in reverse
Posted by: sderoote1 on Apr 8, 2008 4:13 PM   
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Why not find an appropriate reviewer for this book? Perhaps John Nichols, the novelist who lives in Taos, or Stanley Crawford, another New Mexican, who happens to be a garlic farmer. Someone who seems to spend most of her time basking in urban lights doesn't seem like the best choice for the assignment.

Mr. Fine is apparently well-intentioned but too well-off to be considered entirely credible as a 'sustainable' back to the land model.

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Doug Fine SOLD OUT!!!
Posted by: jaggedpeak on Apr 10, 2008 8:45 PM   
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Mr. Author Doug Fine sold out. He is making money off of yuppies who feel guilty about living the lifestyle which they live, while they yearn for a more "green" lifestyle. An even worse aspect of the sell out, is that the rural west is allready bombarded with these yuppies invading the rural areas with their pretentions and attitudes that they bring with them. You see towns that used to be honest turned into pretentious, glorified, ego stroking freak zones; during the last 20 years. This writer obviously has a hugely inflated ego and need for a suck butt following. Of course, this guy isn't living off of the land, he is living off of you people buying his books. He is a hobby farmer. Then again farming/ranching is a domesticated process which truly isn't in the grain of nature. Yes, he brought his yuppie life to a rural area, as so many are doing. He has sold out NM, and seems a hero for it. A good writer hides his secrets. Hey, what about these blogs, so many of you futile souls are jealous of his money. You wish you were where he is, shame on you phoney want to be's. Adoption of mass technology is not going to make the planet greener, just blast it into a satellite cyperlife removed from nature. Where is this Dougie Fine moving toward the earth? He is an overglorified recycler. There is nothing wrong with recycling, it is good, but a superiority complex over it is truly enlightening!

Leave the SW alone, you can't make a good natural living here unless you import products like an income!

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