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About Those New Seven Deadly Sins

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted March 15, 2008.


The Vatican's talk of "social sins" may indicate progress. But before it speaks for social responsibility, the Church has to have to take some itself.
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So it would appear the Vatican has unveiled a list of seven new sins. Not just any sins. Mortal sins. The kind that, if gone unconfessed, will send you to hell.

Putting aside the "why" for a moment, the list, widely discussed in the media this week, is interesting. Not what you'd expect. Some might go so far as to call it progressive. Sure, it includes abortion (no news there) as well as stem cell research (that scientific scourge). But it also includes such communal and contemporary transgressions as creating pollution and contributing to the ever-widening divide between rich and poor. The logic, apparently, is to apply some basic moral principles to our new age of technological advancement and globalization.

"But I don't need religion to distinguish right and wrong!" you might say -- and I might be among you. Fair enough, but for the over 1 billion baptized Catholics in the world -- at least some of who must still practice -- the influence of the Church is hardly insignificant. Even in its uniquely punitive way, for an institution that only recently came around to rejecting Limbo, some of these new rules must surely be a sign of progress. Even lapsed Catholics can probably agree that there's something refreshing about the notion of taking collective responsibility for things like protecting the environment or addressing the growing societal divide. And, hell, condemning those who "contribute to social injustice" sounds downright liberation theologoligcal. (Not very Roman.) "If yesterday sin had a rather individualistic dimension, today it has a weight, a resonance, that's especially social, rather than individual," said the Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti, the head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, which "deals with matters of conscience and grants absolution."

So, cool. Even a slow moving dinosaur like the Vatican can get behind a little modern social justice. Especially given some of the Church's other priorities in the past few years -- including tightening its rules for achieving sainthood, and last year, releasing the rather goofy "Ten Commandments" for drivers -- road rage, drunk driving, vehicular rudeness -- this could be considered welcome news to those who call themselves Catholic.

It's easy to kick the Church for its antiquatedness, it's sexual oppression, it's inability to keep its priests away from the altar boys. For all its power, the Catholic Church offers a common cultural punchline. The original Seven Deadly Sins themselves are fascinating oddities. They are utterly vague -- how much avarice is too much? How many people know what avarice is? -- yet the punishments legendarily assigned to each luridly specific. Given to excessive pride? Thou shall be broken on the wheel. Greed? Force-fed rats, toads, and snakes. Envy? A vat of freezing water. And so on.

Curious about what brand of eternal hellfire might be newly imposed on someone for say, littering -- not to mention what an official announcement of a new set of sins might look like -- I visited the Vatican's home on the web, but was disappointed to find no information on the new seven sins. It's not a bad site, truth be told -- there's a press section and everything-- but it's not exactly updated up to the minute -- and nowhere could I find sign of an official decree introducing deadly sins #8-14.

In fact, the Seven Deadlier Sins story seems to be something of a media invention, culled from a March 8th interview with Bishop Girotto in the Vatican's official newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano. The so-called "new" sins appear to fall into a category that practicing Catholics would call "social" sins, and which have existed in some form or other, for years.


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More last gasps of man’s first attempt at philosophy
Posted by: Richard House on Mar 15, 2008 12:55 AM   
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“… some of these new rules must surely be a sign of progress.”

More like last desperate attempts to control their brainwashed flock. The RCC is losing its sheep, slowly but surely and they have to keep modernizing their brand of religion all while framing the issue of sin from the very start; that is, that “sin” exists at all and that without God man cannot be moral when it’s religion that is immoral, which depends on its believers throwing their moral responsibility on a Christ figure – then they can do what they want and just be forgiven for it.

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Sin and forgiveness
Posted by: EJW on Mar 15, 2008 12:56 AM   
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The problem with Catholic practice is that by repenting you are absolved of your sins allowing you to avoid the consequences of their actions. It's a 'get out of jail' free card. There is no motive for ethical behavior. Karma on the other hand promotes ethical behavior.

This is the problem with Christianity - the message is 'you are bad to begin with and need to be fixed'. I don't think that is what Jesus was teaching.

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» RE: Sin and forgiveness Posted by: finleyd
» Protestantism is just as bad. Posted by: andabottleof_rum
I already know I am going to hell, so why do I have to care?
Posted by: Swedish liberal on Mar 15, 2008 1:05 AM   
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As I am an atheist and is steadfast in my opinion that religious dogma should be kept out of the public debate in general and in the political debate in particular I abhor legislation based on dogma, moral values be they left, feminists, Muslim, Catholic, protestant or for that matter Liberation theologians.

Religion is best discussed at theological or feminist seminars as well as in churches, synagogues or Mosques.

I am singulary damned, since I am:

1. an atheist
2. a white western middle aged man
3. caring more about my consumption than the environment
4. belonging to the 1 % highest income earners in the world
5. enjoying sex and pornography
6. aggressive and arrogant
7. having the pride of a peacock
8. glutton

The only sin that does not apply to me is envy.

And when it comes to the new "social sins" I am guilty of them all since I believe that economic differences is necessary to promote productivity and eradicate poverty. I also believe that growth and development supersedes environmental concerns until poverty is erased. Further I believe that accumulation of wealth is the key to eradicating global poverty. Last but not the least I believe GMO, Genetically Modified food and agricultural products will end famine and poverty.

Mea Culpa! I will burn in hell forever!

Such bullshit, "Seven deadly sins" and "social sins".

Keep "the Moral Majority"'s dogma, Orthodoxy out of politics be it feminist or religious!

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Casuists
Posted by: talkville on Mar 15, 2008 2:49 AM   
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Elevating the concept of 'sin' up a step from the Individual to Society as a whole (let's remember the faith-based concept of a Church, which IS a Society) seeks to include ALL of us under the strictures of the Vatican -- 'swallow' the USA, for example, into and under its structures, processes and authority. It's an integrative and corporatist move. Like any other Corporation, they seek to implement a 'Code of Conduct' based ultimately on closed Faith as opposed to open and incomplete Science. It is eminently anti-Scientific and obscurantist in impulse (through the 'back-door', so to speak).

But it bears deep reflection on the part of each of us that a concept of 'sin' is raised to include a 'social whole', most especially when issued from ONE source, beyond test or experience by definition, and when a most central and radical conception of PUNISHMENT is involved -- 'collective punishment' is not unknown in this world of ours!! Who is to wield it?? And why? And those 'heretics' who decide to 'stay outside' of this Faith (such as scientists or artists or -deep breath!- humanists? What punishments await them in this 'sinning Society'?

There is a fear and hatred of science abroad, no mistake! Input from those who place a faith in other-worldly things, ok. Authority? No way.

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RC power on Supreme Court and Women's Rights
Posted by: saramus on Mar 15, 2008 4:33 AM   
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The Roman Catholic Church may be losing membership and closing churches in the U.S., but the April 2007 majority decision in Gonzales v. Carhart shows how much political power the Vatican still wields in this country. Five reactionary Roman Catholic male judges signed a document that reads like the most virulent anti-abortion tracts. When will misogyny count as a deadly sin? When hell freezes over, I suspect. To think there were signs of hope in the era of Vatican II.....

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No religion owns God; No church owns JC
Posted by: wawa on Mar 15, 2008 5:54 AM   
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Before Emperor Constantine brought Christianity into the mainstream, all the early Church Fathers taught that Christians should not serve in the army but instead willingly suffer rather than inflict harm on any other.

Augustine was the first Church Father to consider the concept of a Just War.

Within 100 years after Constantine, the Empire required that all soldiers in the army must be baptized Christians and thus, the decline of Christianity began.


In a very savvy political move in 313 AD, Emperor Constantine legitimized Christianity and thus, those who had been considered rebels and outlaws began to enjoy political power and prestige.

Jesus’ other name is The Prince of Peace, and with the marriage of church and state, his true teachings were reinterpreted.

The justification of warfare and the use of state sponsored violence corrupted what Christ modeled and taught.


Jesus NEVER spoke about gays and lesbians, but he was always on about WAKE UP! The Divine already indwells you and all others.

Christ taught that to follow him requires that one must love ones enemies; one must forgive those who hate, curse and revile them, without a thought of payback.

The term Christianity was not coined until three decades after Christ walked the earth. Until the day of Paul, followers of Christ were called members of The Way; the way being what he taught!

2,000 years ago the cross had no religious meaning and was not a piece of jewelry. When Jesus said, "Pick up your cross and follow me," everyone understood he was issuing a POLITICAL statement, for the main roads in Jerusalem were lined with crucified agitators, rebels, dissidents and any others who disturbed the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces.

Jesus was never a Christian, that term was even coined until the days of Paul, about 3 decades after Jesus walked the earth a man. Jesus was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up and challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were:

Sinners, poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.

What got Jesus crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces of his time, by teaching the subversive concept that Caesar only had power because God allowed it and that God preferred the humble sinner, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Occupation above the elite and arrogant.


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Otto
Posted by: otto on Mar 15, 2008 6:15 AM   
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I thought this was a pretty well balanced article.

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This is a little hard to believe
Posted by: outlander55 on Mar 15, 2008 6:56 AM   
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Who is the Pope to say what a sin is or isn't? Just like one day, it was a sin to eat meat on Fr4idays, and then all of a sudden, it wasn't. The Catholic Church is grasping at straws in its' efforts to keep its' "faithful" locked into the Medieval mindset.

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observer
Posted by: davy on Mar 15, 2008 7:25 AM   
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Religion = dark ages

It's time the only religion was KINDNESS

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I am with the Dalai Lama
Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 15, 2008 8:03 AM   
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I agree with the author that incorporating "social sins" is a step in the right direction. But, as a fallen away Catholic (I actually had a calling to be a nun but ignored it), I just can't put too much faith in what the Church says. There is just too much hypocracy. Anyone who knows Church history can no longer feel it speaks with any moral authority. The Church as been first and foremost about the Church! I am with the Dalal Lama who said "My religion is simple. My religion is kindness!"

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Social Justice
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 15, 2008 8:19 AM   
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I'll have more respect for the Catholic Church and the Vatican when they use their vast resources and wealth to help those people impacted by social injustices, particularly the poor and impoverished. All that money and gold stored in the Vatican to honor God. Helping people is a better way to honor God. Certainly their policies on birth control if adopted by a majority of people would further doom this planet because of over population and consumption and destruction of natural resources. Encouraging people to pass their responsibilities for their lives onto a higher power that can only be reached through church leaders is detrimental to human growth and to addressing the major issues that face us as human beings in a global population today.

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» RE: mick3 Posted by: atheistcable
Sin This!
Posted by: PaulK on Mar 15, 2008 8:48 AM   
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--Toadying for Pontius Pilate and his torturing gang. So what if the soldiers killed a village full of infants?

--Helping Pontius to rob the national treasury. Hey, those widows and orphans starved themselves, we didn't do anything. Am I my brother's keeper, that I have to know when he comes and goes all the time?

--Turning the temple into a golden palace -- Anyways, what has God to do with gold? It's a nice metal.

--Screwing up the spirits of little boys so they commit suicide later.

--Robbing the stranger among you. That bum? He's not Lazarus, he's an illegal! The INS recently deported an American citizen with mental disabilities, because he wouldn't talk. The kid lived on dumpster diving for 30 days in Tijuana, and somehow lived.

--Enslaving millions of little kids in sweatshops abroad, to make you some dog toys. Imagining that you're not connected.

--Being real Nazi about all the other sins. You know, the Nazi swastika is just a crucifix. So is the KKK's burning cross. So take that oath of allegiance, pass that drug test, and we won't let you into Canada without a passport anymore. 9/11!

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reproductive rights
Posted by: rahale919 on Mar 15, 2008 9:11 AM   
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Estrogen from women taking birth control pills accumulates in urine and often becomes part of our communal water supply, which is harmful to people. This is a scientific observation that also echoes the point behind limiting sexual activity - our actions affect many more people than just ourselves and there is no way around that fact. The Vatican is promoting thought and discussion around this and to me that is very positive and appropriate.

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What a plastic thing religion is!
Posted by: BazookaTooth on Mar 15, 2008 9:34 AM   
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Once I told my younger cousins that all dogs go to heaven, except for pit bulls. They were 11 and 8. We had a great time, laughing, about which animals were going to be in hell: poisonous snakes, roaches, ants, scorpions, unfriendly cats...

It occurs to me that Pope Benedict isn't doing anything much more than what we did. He is shaping religion according to his preferences. The differences are, he's not joking, and he expects others to be cowed into following his dictates.

This sort of arrogance is probably why one in ten Americans are *ex*-Catholics.

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Vatican, schmatican
Posted by: willymack on Mar 15, 2008 10:17 AM   
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It's time these bubbleheaded jerks went bye-bye. The best way to accomplish this is to IGNORE them. For further information on the subject, contact George Carlin.

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» Good ol' George Carlin! Posted by: Cathyc
» Good ol' George Carlin! Posted by: Cathyc
Criminalizing VICE *effectively destroys* REPRESENTATIVE government
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 15, 2008 10:33 AM   
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.
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Think about it...

The Thieves of Virtue: legislating morality undermines representative government.

really, VICE is contextual:
* gender
* ethnicity
* age
* race...

all pay a part in morals. but VICE, should never be *criminalized*, especially in a nation where PRIVACY has been abolished.

Who is PERFECT ENOUGH to represent THE PEOPLE or a populist reform when thre is neither privacy nor the Will to preserve privacy in society?

Who stands *for the People* when Money & Power exert corrosive controls to extend their oppression & corruption?

You've been *had*

Nobody is immune to *vice* as VICE is about how ONE PERSON privately & personally determines *how to enjoy their own body*...

Naked Truth: Civil Rights & CNN coverage of "F.B.I. biometric database - 'Server in the Sky'"

...& THAT is how Money & Power will kill representative government for The Peoples who seek JUSTICE, Freedom & Human Rights.

"Yell Fire!": Bush to freeze peace activist assets? - Executive Order to "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq"

NSA's Domestic Spying Grows As Agency Sweeps Up Data

Diamond Age? - Kids, RFID Chips... & Minority Reporting?!: thoughts on the new US Project Hostile Intent (PHI)

Watching the "Ownership Society": follow-ups on Shareholder Surveillance...



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using
Posted by: using on Mar 15, 2008 11:51 AM   
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yes,that's good. Each individual should learn to become responsible for the crimes they are helping to commit. However, when Catholic Church, with all it's power and money, begins to stand up to the Cains that willing plot to harm mankind for the profits it will bring ......then we can say ....WELCOME ... you are now speaking the language of Jesus.

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An institution like the Vatican can seldom if ever be a force for good
Posted by: Jasonix on Mar 15, 2008 1:29 PM   
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The Roman Catholic Church considers itself to be the one true Church, founded by Jesus himself, with the unique, God-given prerogative to rule all humankind. I flipped through a book written by Catholic pop theologian Patrick Madrid in Barnes & Noble the other day, and I've never read anything that combined the words "authority," "hierarchy," "submit," and "obey" as many times - often in a single sentence! - as Madrid's totalitarian manifesto. And the back jacket said the book was supposed to clear up misconceptions about the Catholic faith!

It isn't just authority in spiritual matters, either. Madrid's exegesis of Scripture made it plain that he has a "flat-book" approach to the Bible that doesn't distinguish between the theocratic, blood-soaked Old Testament and the more refined New Testament. To Madrid, God founded a socio-political empire in ancient Israel - and the Church is supposed to have the exact same type of empire, on a global scale.

If Patrick Madrid was one crack-pot expressing his views on his blog, we could ignore him. But his books come with glowing reviews from priests and bishops. His organization, Catholic Answers, receives high praise, too. Patrick Madrid clearly represents the orthodox teachings of the Catholic Church - and we should look to writers like him and the others in the his organization to get an idea of what the Vatican plans for human history.

History itself is plain about Catholicism's evil. Every nation governed by the Church has been an ignorant, brutal authoritarian state. Countries like Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Ireland have only become respectable nations as they've moved away from the Church's control. The Church moves to crush any movement within itself to make it a force for liberation and justice - witness the Papacy's moves to crush Liberation Theology in Latin America, for example, or to bury sexual abuse claims in North America.

Because Catholics are Latinos or the descendants of Irish, Italian, and Polish immigrants - who have an absurd mythology that their late 19th, early 20th century troubles in fitting into American society was somehow a travesty on par with the Holocaust, an episode of human bigotry and discrimination suffered at the hands of Northern European Americans that rivals the horrors inflicted on African-Americans - people are loathe to speak out against the arrogant, insane claims of the Church, even when "speaking out" requires nothing more than stating clearly and trenchantly what the Church really believes about itself and its mission in a forum where people of a variety of faiths can rebuke and rebut these claims.

Catholicism receives far too much respect compared to evangelicalism and other religious movements that are actually on the balance LESS bizarre and less right-wing than the Vatican. (How many evangelicals insist that birth control is a sin? Maybe 5% of the whole movement? To the Vatican, that's standard teaching. How many evangelicals insist that their particular religious denomination is the only true one, destined to rule the earth? None, as far as I know.)

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Arrogant Humans, You Could Never Ruin God's Day!
Posted by: thornwolf on Mar 16, 2008 2:50 AM   
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Surely, if there is any kind of supreme being, personified or not, it would be impossible for mere muddling humans to get the supreme being's goat, wouldn't it? Really, what kind of paltry god would that be, taking offense and getting all ticked off over human behavior? Wouldn't a real god have seen that coming? You think a real god would be so reactionary? That just doesn't make sense.

Don't be so gullible!!! Use your intellect!!!

How useful is it for the RC Church and its derivative denominations to have this cudgel of 'sin' to swing at the 'faithful' while demanding obeisance to dogmatic man-made institutions? What could any 'pope' or other preachifying human of questionable intent really know about god that you could not? Nothing! But it's useful for them to make you think they know something you cannot know. Because then they have a chance to control you, make you obey. Shut up and obey. And pay.

Jesus said, "Love one another" but the church, which was created by men in order to hijiack Jesus for their own purpose, and the many derivative denominations that eventually followed, don't talk about love. Instead, they tell you that you have displeased god and must suffer for it. What crap! You cannot anger the lord. Not with your puny deeds. Not in any way. Why does anyone buy that line of bull? Only out of fear. How sad for them.

Jesus said to be as a little child. Does a little child even think about 'sin' or other negative concepts? Does a little child even think about Jesus? Of course not! So wake up and smell the reality. Be about love not fear, about freedom not confinement, about tolerance not hate.

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States of Mind
Posted by: Lois on Mar 16, 2008 5:51 AM   
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Although bizarre, the 7 deadly sins are interestingly different from other Man-made-up god commandments; they are STATES OF MIND. Hmmm Pope diminished didn't progress

"The original Seven Deadly Sins themselves are fascinating oddities. They are utterly vague --"

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Virgin Mary OK all other women not
Posted by: ibivi on Mar 16, 2008 5:25 PM   
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The Catholic church has a deep gender bias towards women. It refuses to allow birth control. It refuses to ordain women. It is totally paternalistic. Perhaps when it fully allows women to be equal it will become the true faith it claims to be.

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Self-indulgence is a sin too
Posted by: ibivi on Mar 16, 2008 6:17 PM   
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How arrogant are you? Yes we'll wait for the super-rich to dole out their money and then we'll be better off. There are more extremely rich people than there ever were and most of them aren't giving it away. There are so many poor people in the world that they couldn't possibly even get enough to improve their lives. Your reasoning is so way off it doesn't deserve trying to set it right. What have you done for those less fortunate than yourself?

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He who lives in glass houses...
Posted by: Farasien on Mar 17, 2008 5:19 AM   
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Until the RCC atones for its thousands of years of rape, murder, torture, financial shenanigans and a whole host of other sins, it has no business making any policy based on others practicing ANY sin. The RCC has been unveiled as the lying, sneaking hypocrite that it is. The sooner it burns to the ground and its leaders go begging for food in the streets of some third-world hellhole (many of which it helped to either create or sustain), the better.

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seven deadly whats?
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 17, 2008 10:31 AM   
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Any organization that is so emotionally infantile that it has to concoct "seven deadly sins" is not worth a damn.

Sometimes this shit brings out the emotionally infantile, eliminationist redneck in me. Why are people such fucking sheep?

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» RE: seven deadly whats? Posted by: Kuressaare
Tired of shallow articles about the Catholic Church
Posted by: catholicliberal on Mar 17, 2008 6:22 PM   
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I am tired of the way Alternet characterizes the Catholic Church. I have always considered myself a Catholic liberal. The author of this article has very little understanding of the Church and Catholic social teaching. Statements made in this article show a very shallow, biased attitude on the part of the author of this article.

I read AlterNet articles daily and 90% of the time I am in sympathy with the points made, but every time you have an article on the Catholic Church, there is very little evidence of any intelligent understanding of Catholic teaching. If your other articles were as ill-researched, they would not be worth reading. How about at least trying to be objective about the Catholic Church!

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Where was the Pope
Posted by: Opinionator on Mar 18, 2008 2:27 PM   
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when Cardinal Law in Boston was enabling pedophiles to remain priests in his diocese after REPEATED reports of sexual abuse to children? And now Bernie Law has a beautiful office right in the Vatican. Why was he not de-frocked? It is very sad. Church after church has been closed in Massachusetts as countless Catholics have left the religion. Maybe this would never have happened if priests were allowed to marry and if women could be priests instead of handmaids to the priests.

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The Catholic Church motto is...
Posted by: Landbaron on Mar 19, 2008 6:50 PM   
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If it feels good, stop. Recite the prayer; "The Morning Suffering".

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Osama Bin Laden's God allows innocence to be murdered...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Mar 20, 2008 12:59 AM   
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... just like the Roman God allows...

Bin Laden warns EU over Prophet cartoons

Blasphemy to this day... is still punishable by death!

I often wonder how disappointed the [Divine and/or Prophetic] Jesus must be...
With over 2000 years of bloodshed in his name... now thats an accomplishment...
and the Prophet of Islam... with even more blood, and in less time, and with more promised!

The hypocrisy thats been born from the loins of Abraham
surely must have him spinning in his grave by now...
if not... then God truly IS dead...
and the dream that is reality, is now only a nightmare!

sleep well

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