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Solve Global Warming with Slave Trade Economics?

By George Monbiot, Monbiot.com. Posted February 21, 2008.


A major environmental UK report explains how human life can be priced and exchanged for goods and services.
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This is a column about how good intentions can run amok. It tells the story of how an honorable, intelligent man set out to avert environmental disaster and ended up accidentally promoting the economics of the slave trade. It shows how human lives can be priced and exchanged for goods and services.

The story begins in a village a few miles to the west of London. The British government proposes to flatten Sipson in order to build a third runway for Heathrow airport. The public consultation is about to end, but no one doubts that the government has made up its mind.

Its central case is that the economic benefits of building a third runway outweigh the economic costs. The extra capacity, the government says, will deliver a net benefit to the UK economy of £5 billion [Ed. note: one British Pound is worth nearly $2]. The climate change the runway will cause costs £4.8 billion, but this is dwarfed by the profits to be made.

There is plenty of evidence suggesting that the government's numbers are wrong. A new analysis by the environmental consultancy CE Delft shows that the official figures overestimate both the number of jobs the runway will generate and the value brought to the United Kingdom by extra business passengers. In an excoriating article in the Guardian last week, Professor Paul Ekins demonstrated that the government has rigged the cost of carbon. (Delightfully, the web address for the consultation document ends completecondoc.pdf.) But while the runway's opponents don't like the results, most people seem to agree that weighing up economic costs and benefits is a sensible method of making this decision. The problem, they argue, is that the wrong figures have been used.

When Sir Nicholas Stern published his study of the economics of climate change, environmentalists (myself included) lined up to applaud him: he had given us the answer we wanted. He showed that stopping runaway climate change would cost less than failing to prevent it. But because his report was so long, few people bothered to find out how he had achieved this result. It took me a while, but by the time I reached the end I was horrified.

On one side of Stern's equation are the costs of investing in new technologies (or not investing in old ones) to prevent greenhouse gas emissions from rising above a certain level. These can reasonably be priced in pounds or dollars. On the other side are the costs of climate change. Some of them -- such as higher food prices and the expense of building sea walls -- are financial, but most take the form of costs which are generally seen as incalculable: the destruction of ecosystems and human communities; the displacement of people from their homes; disease and death. All these costs are thrown together by Sir Nicholas with a formula he calls "equivalent to a reduction in consumption," to which he then attaches a price.

Stern explains that this "consumption" involves not just the consumption of goods we might buy from the supermarket, but also of "education, health and the environment." He admits that this formula "raises profound difficulties", especially the "challenge of expressing health (including mortality) and environmental quality in terms of income." But he uses it anyway, and discovers that the global disaster which would be unleashed by a 5-6° rise in temperature, and which is likely to involve widespread famine, is "equivalent to a reduction in consumption" of 5-20%.

It is true that as people begin to starve they will consume less. When they die they cease to consume altogether. But Stern's unit (a reduction in consumption) incorporates everything from the price of baked beans to the pain of bereavement. He then translates it into a "social cost of carbon", measured in dollars. He has, in other words, put a price on human life. Worse still, he has ensured that this price is buried among the other prices: when you read that the "social cost of carbon" is $30 a ton, you don't know -- unless you unpick the whole report and its methodology and sources -- how much of this is made of human lives.

The poorer people are, the cheaper their lives become. "For example," Stern observes, "a very poor person may not be 'willing-to-pay' very much money to insure her life, whereas a rich person may be prepared to pay a very large sum. Can it be right to conclude that a poor person's life or health is therefore less valuable?" Up to a point, yes: income, he says, should be one of the measures used to determine the social cost of carbon. Sir Nicholas was by no means the first to use such a formula. What was new was the unthinking enthusiasm with which his approach was greeted.

Stern's methodology has a disastrous consequence, unintended but surely obvious. His report shows that the dollar losses of failing to prevent a high degree of global warming outweigh the dollar savings arising from not taking action. It therefore makes economic sense to try to stop runaway climate change. But what if the result had been different? What if he had discovered that the profits to be made from burning more fossil fuels exceeded the social cost of carbon? We would then find that it makes economic sense to kill people.

This is what the government has done. Its consultation paper boasts that "our approach is entirely consistent with the Stern Review." It has translated his "social cost of carbon" into a "shadow price of carbon", which is currently valued, human lives and all, at £25 a ton.

Against this is set the economic benefit of a new runway. Part of this benefit takes the form of shorter waiting times for passengers. The government claims that building a third runway will reduce delays, on average, by three minutes. This saving is costed at €38-49 per passenger per hour. The price is a function of the average net wages of travellers: the more you earn, the more the delays are deemed to cost you, even if you are on holiday.

Consider the implications. On one side of the equation human life is being costed. On the other side, the value of delays to passengers is being priced, and it rises according to their wealth. Convenience is weighed against human life. The richer you are, the more lives your time is worth.

The people most likely to be killed by climate change do not live in this country. Most of them live in Africa and South Asia. Hardly any of the economic benefits of expanding Heathrow accrue to them. Yet the government has calculated the economic benefits to the United Kingdom, weighed them against the global costs of climate change and discovered that sacrificing foreigners -- especially poor ones -- is a sensible economic decision.

I can accept that a unit of measurement which allows us to compare the human costs of different spending decisions is a useful tool. What I cannot accept is that it should be scrambled up with the price of eggs and prefixed with a dollar sign. Human life is not a commodity. It cannot be traded against profits or exchanged for convenience. We have no right to decide that others should die to make us richer.

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George Monbiot is the author Heat: How to Stop the Planet from Burning. Read more of his writings at Monbiot.com. This article originally appeared in the Guardian.

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Would the extinction of Homo Sapiens have an economic impact?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 22, 2008 12:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
George Monbiot, I assert that the cost of the extinction of Homo Sapiens is
infinite, and the cost of the fall of civilization is very nearly infinite and way
beyond any possible benefit of any kind to anybody. Calculating a cost in money
is therefore the ultimate in foolishness. Money does not exist without people, but
people can exist without money. ANY such calculation is way beyond morally
wrong. It isn't about another runway. Project 1 is avoiding extinction at any cost.

Nature's eventual wrath and retaliation includes:
1. The impending EXTINCTION of human life in maybe 1 or 2 centuries.

2. The downfall of civilization a lot sooner than our extinction. Maybe
civilization will fall within 30 years.

1. The Existential Risk that is virtually certain to happen if we don't mend our coal
burning ways is the same as the End Permian mass extinction: Hydrogen Sulfide
[H2S]. It is possible to avoid it, but the power of wealth must be overcome. 5
groups of paleontologists have come to the same conclusion independently. That
is sufficient evidence to take drastic action regardless.

Reference Book: "Six Degrees" by Mark Lynas. See a summary at:
http://www.marklynas.org/2007/4/23/
six-steps-to-hell-summary-of-six-degrees
-as-published-in-the-guardian

2. Reference Book: "The Long Summer, How Climate Changed Civilization" by
Brian Fagan, 2004 Basic Books, ISBN 0-465-02281-2
Summary: Smaller climate changes than we have caused already, caused the fall
of many civilizations.
Reference Book: "Collapse, How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed" by Jared
Diamond. 99.99% of all people in the collapsing civilization die, including the
richest. Hunting the neighbors as food happens. We really really don't want to
go there.
See:
http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/
climate411/2008/01/14/global_winds/
The drought in Georgia, California, Australia, Greece, Turkey, the Sahel, China
and other places is part of the desertification that will soon cause agriculture to fail
and civilization collapses when agriculture fails. The rich have the privilege of
being the last to die of starvation, but their deaths are quite soon after the deaths
from starvation of everybody else.

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What does EXTINCTION mean?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 22, 2008 12:45 AM   
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The next president will have to take drastic action to prevent our extinction or the
collapse of civilization due to global warming . Great damage has been done, but
we still have 8 years before natural positive feedbacks lead to our extinction. Sea
level will continue to rise even if we disappear right now, but that is "minor"
compared to poison gas bubbling out of the ocean and killing almost everything.
See the chart on page 274 of "Six Degrees" by Mark Lynas. We have until 2015
to BEGIN REDUCING our total CO2 output and we have until 2050 to actually
reduce our CO2 output by 90%. The curve has to start down by 2015, not we
have to think about it by then. The peak of our CO2 production has to happen in
the next 8 years. Sorry, but we can't wait for research, no matter how interesting.
We have to implement what we know right now. The only technology we have
right now to replace coal fired power plants is nuclear power plants. I like solar,
wind, hydro, and geothermal, but all of them together cannot replace the base load
capacity of coal. Sorry, but nuclear is the only option. If we don't follow the
schedule in Six Degrees, we will encounter positive feedbacks which will take the
control of the climate out of our hands. Civilization may fall anyway well before
2050, but we can avoid going extinct by 2100. We have to hold the CO2 level to
400 parts per million to have a 75% chance of avoiding the positive feedbacks.
The natural positive feedbacks are explained in Six Degrees.

Nuclear power is NOT dangerous. Coal is the most dangerous and radioactive
source of electricity. Nuclear power can save us from extinction. The
comparison has to be with extinction. Do you understand what the word "extinct"
means? If we keep burning FOSSIL fuels containing CARBON, EVERY
PERSON will be DEAD. THERE WILL BE ZERO SURVIVORS.
EXTINCTION means NO MORE HOMO SAPIENS, EVER. NOT EVEN the
worst possible nuclear war, a "general exchange" between the United States and
the old Soviet Union could achieve the extinction of Homo Sapiens. That would
mean exploding 40,000 H bombs all at once in the old days or maybe only 20,000
H bombs now.

The simultaneous deaths of 6,400,000,000 people would not even be noticeable in
the geologic record. Human population would rebound too fast for the dip to be
noticeable in the rocks. But extinction would clearly be noticed by some future
space alien or future intelligent earth species geologist. He would find no more
humans after the extinction event.

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» Nuclear power is safe?? Posted by: sunspot
The Dust Bowl Next Time
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 22, 2008 12:48 AM   
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Downloaded FROM: Environmental Defense
http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/
climate411/2008/01/14/global_winds/

This post is by James Wang, Ph.D., a climate scientist at Environmental Defense.

You may have heard about the persistent droughts in the western U.S., Australia,
and other regions. The Upper Colorado River Basin is experiencing a protracted,
multi-year drought that started in 1999. Australia's record drought is threatening
the livelihood of traditional farmers and ranchers.

At what point does a passing drought become a permanent shift to desert
conditions, and why would such a thing happen?

It can happen because of global warming. Climate change can alter global winds,
the strength and location of high and low pressure systems, and other climate
factors.

.........shortened.........Graphics and URLs omitted.

Global winds shape the Earth's climate, determining - in broad strokes - which
areas are tropical, desert, or temperate. Here's a simplified overview of how it
works.

The Sun heats the Earth most intensely in the tropical zone around the equator. The
heated air rises, cools, and then dumps its moisture as rain. That's why there are
rain forests in the tropics.

The now drier air is forced by the continuously rising equatorial air to move
towards the temperate latitudes on either side of the equator. At roughly 30° N and
S - called the "horse latitudes" - it can move no further due to the Earth’s rotation,
and settles to the surface. As the air sinks, it compresses and warms, creating hot,
rain-free conditions. This circulation pattern, called a Hadley cell, is why the
deserts of the world are located just poleward of the tropics, to the north and south.

Poleward of the desert belt, strong, high-altitude winds known as the jet streams
flow from west to east, carrying large storms with them. These mid-latitude,
temperate-region storms are an important source of rain and snow, especially
during the winter season. Much of the world's population lives in the temperate
region. It includes most of the U.S. and southern Canada, most of Europe, East
Asia, southern South America, southern Africa, and southern Australia and New
Zealand.

But climate regions aren't fixed. Several independent studies have found that
global winds are shifting due to global warming, and the shifts are faster than
predicted by climate models. Most recently is this new study in Nature
Geoscience. The tropical belt has widened by several degrees latitude since 1979.
This is consistent with other observations suggesting that the jet streams and storm
tracks have moved poleward.

The drought-stricken Upper Colorado River Basin, which includes Lake Powell, is
located just poleward of the horse latitudes at around 37° N. This has historically
been in the temperate zone, but the desert zone may be gradually encroaching upon
it. (Since nothing is simple, there are other factors contributing to this particular
drought, as well.) Similarly, water-starved Sydney, Australia at 34° S is just
poleward of the southern horse latitude.

What we may be seeing here is not so much drought as desertification - a shift in
global climate patterns due to global warming. Areas that used to be in temperate
zones may be shifting into desert, while areas that had been arid receive more
precipitation.

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This story begins in Sipson, where 700 families will lose their homes
Posted by: inel on Feb 22, 2008 2:42 AM   
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Monbiot's column, in his own words, "shows how human lives can be priced and exchanged for goods and services".

Deadly climate change impacts may be fascinating to discuss. Extinction, the ultimate price paid by any species, could be calculated and argued over indefinitely to hone debating skills (such as "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"). However, these exercises do not address the very real lives being affected as I write.

For this reason, I hope you will permit me to fill you in on the local context for Monbiot's article.

For Londoners and the rest of us threatened by Heathrow expansion, there are more immediate and pressing concerns. Even with actions to combat climate change, it is important to deal with the tangible battle on our doorsteps as well as developing strategies for the global and long-term struggle.

Sipson would make an excellent case study.

I dearly hope George Monbiot or another reporter with national or international status will visit the village that is earmarked to be destroyed by bulldozers.

No time to wait for climate change impacts to wipe Sipson off the face of the Earth: it will be deleted from maps very soon if Department for Transport proposals for 'Adding capacity at Heathrow airport' go ahead!

The treatment of the residents of Sipson epitomises the difficulty ordinary people have in responding to our climate challenge when business lobbies are valued more highly by the Government. The opinions (well-informed or not) of industry executives are prized highly by ministers. The views and feelings of the poor people of Sipson who will lose their family homes, history, heritage and environment have, apparently, no value in the equations used by the Government. Same goes for the two million residents of Greater London and Thames Valley who live with noise disturbance every day and night due to Heathrow flightpatterns (paths and frequencies).

Having had the pleasure of meeting some of the delighful residents of Sipson at Public Meetings, I would like to bring their plight to the attention of people outside London. They deserve support, as they are on the front line of the climate change battle.

A line has to be drawn in the sand. We have to stop Heathrow expansion. The lives of the families of Sipson must not be valued at rock-bottom prices and destroyed for profit. Londoners do not want any more environmental destruction and are concerned about increasing emissions locally and globally. The planet cannot take any more carbon emissions from extra flights enabled by the construction of a third runway and sixth terminal.

P.S. A fourth runway and seventh terminal have not been ruled out!

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RE: Angels on the head of a pin.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 22, 2008 11:02 PM   
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inel, you are the one who is counting the angels on the head of a
pin. In the large, Sipson is irrelevant. 50 Million died in World
War 2 and Homo Sap survived. Homo Sapiens will survive
Sipson and n runways and m terminals. Transportation is a
relatively minor source of CO2. COAL burned to make
electricity is the #1 source of CO2.

How do coal fired power plants get ahead of transportation [cars
and other vehicles] in carbon emissions? Gasoline, diesel fuel,
etc. are half hydrogen. For example, octane is C8H18. To figure
out what fraction of the energy is from burning the carbon, you
have to look up the heat of formation of carbon dioxide and the
heat of formation of water. It takes 1 carbon to make one CO2,
but it takes 2 hydrogens to make 1 H2O. You can do the
arithmetic and apportion the energy between the carbon and the
hydrogen. You have to subtract the energy required to break
down the octane into atoms. It is easier to remove the hydrogens
than it is to separate the carbons, so the energy subtracted gets
apportioned too.
Coal is almost pure carbon, except for the URANIUM,
ARSENIC, LEAD, MERCURY, Antimony, Cobalt, Nickel,
Copper, Selenium, Barium, Fluorine, Silver, Beryllium, Iron,
Sulfur, Boron, Titanium, Cadmium, Magnesium, Calcium,
Manganese, Vanadium, Chlorine, Aluminum, Chromium,
Molybdenum and Zinc that are coal's impurities. Even though
transportation uses more energy, coal fired power plants put more
CO2 into the air.

Transportation isn't even the second largest CO2 emitter.
Industrial processes are. The largest CO2 emitter of the industrial
processes is concrete making even though the energy used is less.
The first step in concrete making is heating limestone [calcium
carbonate] to drive off the carbon dioxide to make calcium oxide.
Coal is burned to make the heat, but the limestone is the greater
source of CO2. Other industrial processes include steel making,
metal casting, etc.

The easiest way to make the biggest reduction in CO2 emissions
is to convert all coal fired power plants to nuclear. So get over
your paranoid fears of all things nuclear and get it done.

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RE: The very real life being affected is: the life of Homo Sapiens
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 22, 2008 11:07 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hydrogen Sulfide gas will Kill all people. Homo Sap will go
EXTINCT unless drastic action is taken.

October 2006 Scientific American

"EARTH SCIENCE
Impact from the Deep
Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not
asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions.
Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?
By Peter D. Ward
downloaded from:
http://www.sciam.com/
article.cfm?articleID=
00037A5D-A938-150E-
A93883414B7F0000&
sc=I100322
....................Most of the article omitted......................
But with atmospheric carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm
and expected to accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900
ppm by the end of the next century, and conditions that bring
about the beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That is
something our society should never find out."

Press Release
Pennsylvania State University
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, Nov. 3, 2003
downloaded from:
http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/prPennStateKump.htm
"In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and
the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper
levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide
catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and
animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would
kill most terrestrial life."

www.astrobio.net is a NASA web zine. See:

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=672

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=1535

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/article2509.html

http://astrobio.net/news/
modules.php?op=modload
&name=News&file=article
&sid=2429&mode=thread
&order=0&thold=0

These articles agree with the first 2. They all say 6 degrees C or
1000 parts per million CO2 is the extinction point.

The global warming is already 1 degree Farenheit. 11 degrees
Farenheit is about 6 degrees Celsius. The book "Six Degrees" by
Mark Lynas agrees. If the global warming is 6 degrees
centigrade, we humans go extinct. See:
http://www.marklynas.org/
2007/4/23/six-steps-to-hell-
summary-of-six-degrees-as-
published-in-the-guardian

"Under a Green Sky" by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007.
Paleontologist discusses mass extinctions of the past and the one
we are doing to ourselves.

ALL COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS MUST BE
CONVERTED TO NUCLEAR IMMEDIATELY TO AVOID
THE EXTINCTION OF US HUMANS. 32 countries have
nuclear power plants. Only 9 have the bomb. The top 3
producers of CO2 all have nuclear power plants, coal fired power
plants and nuclear bombs. They are the USA, China and India.
Reducing CO2 production by 90% by 2050 requires drastic action
in the USA, China and India. King Coal has to be demoted to a
commoner. Coal must be left in the earth. If you own any coal
stock, NOW is the time to dump it, regardless of loss, because it
will soon be worthless.

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Sir Nicholas Stern
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 23, 2008 12:09 AM   
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George Monbiot, you should have stuck to discussing Sir
Nicholas Stern's epic but failed attempt to quantify the cost of
global warming. When you wander into irrelevant topics, such as
the town of Sipson vs. a new runway, some people get caught
there because the topic is small enough for them to grasp.

The lives of the people in Sipson are no more real than the lives of
everybody else, and the people who live in Sipson are not going to
be killed. The people in Sipson are going to be paid money for
their property. With this money, the people who now live in
Sipson will be able to purchase homes elsewhere. inel should be
arguing that the compensation is inadequate, as it probably is. I
would agree with doubling and quadrupling the compensation.
There is some level of compensation that all of Sipson's people
would agree with.

Sir Nicholas Stern made a valiant, if faulty, attempt to quantify the
costs of global warming in the way that economists always have.
Moral or not, like it or not, dollar values are put on human life
every day. Sir Nicholas Stern did not invent the method.
George Monbiot was not the first to comment on putting dollar
values on human life. The argument between pricing and not
pricing human life has been going on for centuries. Corporations
and governments operate that way because otherwise they would
be in gridlock, unable to make decisions. There is no way to stop
the practice, but you might be able to change the values. You
might be able to get at least governments to make the prices of
lives more equal and higher. You can't get them to stop doing
their computations.

Life is always precarious. Almost all of the mass of the earth is
dead. Only a tiny fraction is alive. People ARE part of the earth,
unless they are astronauts. Dead is a more probable state of
matter than alive. We live in a universe of probabilities, not
absolutes. You can modify your odds, copper your bets, but you
can't avoid risk. Life is always risky. Reducing risk always
costs you something. We each reduce our own risk as well as we
can. Poverty is always deadly. Since reducing one risk often
increases another risk, you should be careful what you ask for.

Sir Nicholas Stern's attempt was ultimately wrong because Sir
Nicholas Stern lacked certain information. The information Sir
Nicholas Stern lacked was that global warming will very likely
cause the fall of civilization and that global warming left
unchecked has a probability of causing the EXTINCTION of
mankind. That probability is much too high. This is NOT
rhetoric. It is scientific prediction. The evidence is in the rocks
for all to examine.

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» RE: Sir Nicholas Stern Posted by: wonkywriter
Bliss
Posted by: walrus on Feb 25, 2008 1:55 PM   
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The preceding article reflects a certain naivete regarding economic associations with human life. Insurance actuarial tables have existed and been used for a very long time. Those instruments apply net value to human life and have been used in many applications, from calculating health insurance premiums to estimating and evaluating net costs of potential lawsuits (recall Ford Motor Company's nefarious balancing of anticipated lawsuits regarding gas tank explosions on its Pinto/Maverick products versus cost of modifying the products at assembly... Ford determined that it was cheaper to continue the models without major modifications or product recall and risk the lawsuits?). Anyone who believes that human lives are not factored within cost/expense paradigms applicable to major manufacturers, health care institutions, or any programs which incorporate any element of risk to life is living in an enviable state of bliss.

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» RE: Bliss Posted by: wonkywriter
» Ignorance and Bliss Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Bliss Posted by: arianabazan
Good article, but nothing new here
Posted by: smadaj on Feb 25, 2008 4:25 PM   
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Although it is always disheartening to see that people calculate the worth of human beings against commodities, this has been going on ever since the first rich and powerful humans decided that their needs were more important than those of the poor.
In Blue Highway's song, "Union Man" the line:
"To keep his marble mansion, he'd starve a child to death." says it all.
That's the way so many of the rich and powerful are, and always have been. Look at the Johnstown, Pennsylvania flood of 1889. It was more important to the ultra rich who vacationed at the lake at the top of the mountain to pinch their pennies and not spend the money to ensure that in a heavy storm that lake wouldn't overflow and drown the working class people in the valley below. When the storm came, the working class died - over 2200 of them. The rich didn't die. After the deaths, the rich used their money to win every single one of the law suits against them. It would have cost them less to fortify the lake walls, but it wasn't worth it to them to spend the money to ensure that the working class below would not be endangered. It was worth it to them to avoid the law suits, however.
Most rich people don't care who dies just so they can maintain their obscene levels of opulence. Everyone knows that clothing and other commodities are often made by virtual slaves from poorer countries - does that stop the rich from over-buying, way beyond their needs? Of course it doesn't. They don't care if the diamonds they drape on their women were mined by slaves, nor do they care about the environmental destruction caused by the mining.
The number of McMansions being built in America is beyond belief. The rich do not care about the fossil fuels it takes to heat and cool their 4000+ sq. ft. homes. They simply think that if they have the money to pay those bills, they are entitled to squander the planet's resources with impunity.
Most of the rich simply do not care at all about the lives of those who are not in their socio-economic level.
And if you try to tell them the cost of their opulence to humans and to the environment, they don't want to hear it. The biggest lie I was told in grade school was that America didn't have a caste system. Moreover, I was told we should be proud that we didn't have a privileged class -we were all equal.
We won't see a system that values human life until we topple the rich and powerful - possibly something that can't be done.

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Jonathan Swift to the rescue!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 26, 2008 12:51 AM   
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A Modest Proposal - updated for the vexing problem of climate change:

The rise in global sea level appears inevitable under current conditions - the only question is how fast, which depends on how soon we can stop using fossil fuels. Sooner or later, it appears that at least 100 million people will have to seek higher land. A critical case is Bangladesh, India's low-lying neighbor, home to at least 40 million potential refugees.

At the same time, the end of the the use of fossil fuels, will leave millions of internal combustion vehicles stranded on our nation's highways. Americans will be enduring a Road Warrior kind of existence - save for those who have a steady supply of fuel.

We can meet this problem using the solution the author alludes to: slave plantations for biofuel production, perhaps situated in Mexico or Brazil. The people of Bangladesh will be so grateful to be rescued from the rising tide that they will joyfully accept their lot as field laborers in these colonial biofuel plantations.

There is historical proof that such systems are sustainable and productive - agricultural slave-labor plantations were the basis of much of the wealth in Europe, the American South, and the Caribbean for hundreds of years. The slaves were given a 100% organic diet - a far better deal than fighting off lions in Africa, isn't it?

All that's needed to accomplish this are a few corporate mergers - Exxon and Archer Daniels, and also Chevron and Cargill. Then we'll need to set up a global transportation system to move the Bangladeshis to Mexico or whatever - some juicy government contracts are in the offing - just call it "an economic stimulus package."

KBR and Halliburton and Blackwater and Dyncorp and the Corrections Corporation of America are all set to provide security - it'll be an exercise in large-scale population management, but people fleeing global warming will not be difficult to control.

You may wonder what these refugees are going to eat - but that's the beauty of the scheme. U.S. corn and soy exports have been lagging a bit because the paranoid Europeans don't like GMO technology, and the Bangladeshi slaves will provide a huge new market for U.S agribusiness.

The other option, of course, is carbon capture. That's where you burn coal, then capture the smoke coming out the smokestack and magically turn the smoke back into coal, which you then bury in the ground. This way, future generations will also have access to coal, and none of the coal ends up in the atmosphere. Sounds almost too good to be true - but that's modern ingenuity for you.

Yes, with a combination of magical coal technology and slave plantations, all our climate change worries will soon be past us. And the nuclear power plants, of course. They are absolutely essential, everyone agrees, no need for debate on that one.

Rest assured, the situation is well in hand.

. . .

P.S.
Industrial fossil fuel based agriculture is on its way out. Like global warming and peak oil, it's only a question of how soon it will happen.

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» RE: Jonathan Swift to the rescue! Posted by: aquariansun
The End of Civilization?
Posted by: wilty on Feb 26, 2008 4:56 AM   
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Whoa! Civilization, yeah, sure! Nothing civil about it, except maybe when the word is added to the title, "Civil Engineer." And to these fellas, "To runway or not to runway, that is the only question, in terms of dollars and cents; these are the only relevant values.
Human life, the same thing, zero minus zero still equals zero.

Now, for the uncaring and obscene(ly) rich, "To hell with the 'peons', as long as I get mine.
And, as for the governments, all it is to them,
is to serve these Lords and Ladies of the Noveaux Aristocracy.

One problem, the economies that drive the revenue and net, net income results of the toils
and sweating brows of these worker bee peons, would be for naught, if they are forced to die and go to hell. Can you imagine one of the Lords or Ladies being able to fell a tree, saw it, make it into paper, so they can oh, so ever
delicately so, wipe their own tushes? Me thinks not!

There is nothing civil about this. The only
bulwark holding up this obscene and delusional
"human" scenario, is the law enforcement and military establishments.

Internecine warfare is inevitable, and extiction is indeed very, highly probable, due to the fact, that homo Sapien is a very delicate creature indeed, with the survivability parameters being very small.
Afterall, the human body only works well,if at all between the internal temperatures of 94 and 102 degrees.

As with just that, the social structures of humans, are just as delicate, and long before the complete disregard and comtempt by the rich,
to and for the all the others who actually put food in these fat and obscene mouths of the nouveaux aristocracy ends with the grand final middle finger gesture, there will be revolution
in ways, unimagined in the past. Just you wait,
within 30 years, the this whole ball of wax will just rightly, melt before one's own eyes.

Goodbye, fools, I do not suffer you well, nor wish you same, either!

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Here is one of the best analyses I have recently read about what the future may hold.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Feb 26, 2008 5:39 AM   
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The author's basic point is a phase of fascism is likely inevitable as industrial civilization collapses and people try vainly to uphold modernity. Then this will likely be followed by a longer period of feudalism, which is more sustainable than industrial society.

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Different ways of using economics to deal with climate change
Posted by: jtellerelsberg on Feb 26, 2008 6:05 AM   
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Monbiot is right to be concerned with the excessive reach of "economistic" thinking. However, readers of his column should not come away believing that all economic approaches to climate change result in valuing some lives more than others. I wrote some about this when Monbiot's essay was first published in The Guardian. If you have any interest, my comparison of different economic approaches is over at the Flaming Grasshopper blog.

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add the light
Posted by: siamdave on Feb 26, 2008 6:06 AM   
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when you talk about anything to do with economics, you need to understand where the money comes from and where it goes, or you're just wandering in the dark. Start here - Banketeering - how the banks have been stealing trillions from you, and the tap is still running

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Nuclear power to the Rescue
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 26, 2008 8:28 AM   
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Nuclear power can save us from the collapse of civilization and extinction.
Nuclear is the one source of energy that is actually proven to work for base load
power that produces 14.7 million tons of CO2 LESS than coal per 1000
megawatts per year. Burning coal to make electricity is the #1 source of CO2.
Nuclear power is also far safer than coal. Remember that coal also contains
URANIUM, ARSENIC, LEAD, MERCURY, Antimony, Cobalt, Nickel,
Copper, Selenium, Barium, Fluorine, Silver, Beryllium, Iron, Sulfur, Boron,
Titanium, Cadmium, Magnesium, Thorium, Calcium, Manganese, Vanadium,
Chlorine, Aluminum, Chromium, Molybdenum and Zinc. There is so much of
these elements in coal that cinders and coal smoke are actually valuable ores.

Great damage has been done, but we still have 8 years before natural positive
feedbacks lead to our extinction. Sea level will continue to rise even if we
disappear right now, but that is "minor" compared to poison gas bubbling out of
the ocean and killing almost everything including all of the people.
See the chart on page 274 of "Six Degrees" by Mark Lynas. We have until 2015
to BEGIN REDUCING our total CO2 output and we have until 2050 to actually
reduce our CO2 output by 90%. The curve has to start down by 2015, not we
have to think about it by then. The peak of our CO2 production has to happen in
the next 8 years.
How are YOU going to do it? Go ahead and invest YOUR money.

If we don't follow the schedule in Six Degrees, we will encounter positive
feedbacks which will take the control of the climate out of our hands.
Preventing the fall of civilization is a daunting task, but not yet impossible. We
have to hold the CO2 level to 400 parts per million to have a 75% chance of
avoiding the positive feedbacks. The natural positive feedbacks are explained in
Six Degrees. We have to deal with enormous changes in where agriculture works
because of climate changes that are already unavoidable. Don't give up.

We don't recycle nuclear fuel because spent fuel is valuable and people steal it.
The place it went that it wasn't supposed to go to is Israel. This happened in a
small town near Pittsburgh, PA circa 1970. A company called Numec was in the
business of reprocessing nuclear fuel. I almost took a job there, designing a
nuclear battery for a heart pacemaker. [A nuclear battery would have the
advantage of lasting many times as long as any other battery, eliminating many
surgeries to replace batteries.] Numec did NOT have a reactor. Numec "lost"
half a ton of enriched uranium. It wound up in Israel. The Israelis have fueled
both their nuclear power plants and their nuclear weapons by stealing nuclear
"waste." It could work for any other country, such as Iran or the United States.
It is only when you don't have access to nuclear "waste" that you have to do the
difficult process of enriching uranium, unless you have a Canadian "Candu"
reactor that runs on unenriched uranium.
Numec is no longer in business. The reprocessing of nuclear fuel in the US
stopped. That was the only politically possible solution at that time, given that
private corporations did the reprocessing. My solution would be to reprocess the
fuel at a Government Owned Government Operated [GOGO] facility. At a
GOGO plant, bureaucracy and the multiplicity of ethnicity and religion would
disable the transportation of uranium to Israel or to any unauthorized place.
Nothing heavier than a secret would get out.

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Let's just KILL people everywhere
Posted by: thelostsailor on Feb 26, 2008 1:29 PM   
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(instead of just in the middle east)
I've long joked that a great idea to solve energy and population issues is to have a human lottery. Perhaps we could start with violent incarcerated criminals as the first lottery candidates, then move from there to other criteria. Perhaps as a means of integrating a form of world equality at the same time, we (the US) could take the lion's share of lottery quotas....
Imagine a brand new 'renewable' energy source that we have yet to seriously consider (human bioslurry) and with it, a potential reduction in global energy needs! WOW! (I'm not running this year, but maybe in 2012...)

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well, George Monbiot...you have a new pet spammer!
Posted by: lexicon on Feb 26, 2008 2:42 PM   
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How cool...you have your own pet spammer. You've hit the big time, baby!

lexicon

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People Believe Propaganda That Reinforces Their Politics and Religion
Posted by: opmoc on Feb 26, 2008 3:47 PM   
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Everyone has core beliefs that is a result of their upbringing, education etc. Such beliefs run very strongly in families - eg its highly probable that the religion of the children will be the same as the parents. The religion is reinforced by the brand of church attended and social/tribal pressures to conform to the group.

Everyone believes their religion is the correct one portraying the truth. However not everyone can possibly be correct. In fact logically the majority of people across the world must believe in religions that are untrue.

But what is true of religion is also true of the vast majority of people's beliefs about almost everything. Just because someone you repect says it is true doesn't actually mean it is true, even if the majority of your tribal group agrees.

I would expect that most of the people who read this website believe that climate change is caused by man-made CO2. But how do you know that your belief is true?

The reality is that you have been indoctrinated by an intense media campaign that has cost many Billions of Dollars. 10-15 years ago you probably had never even thought about it.

In many ways "Global Warming" represents the "new left" who's primary objective is the defeat of capitalism and de-industrialisation as the only "solution" that will save the human race from its imminent self destruction.

It is not based on truly objective scientific analysis but on a political view that has corrupted science and become a "religion".

Maybe you should consider an alternative view. The alternative view may not be correct - but neither may be the catholic priest's view that you are going to hell for using contraceptives.

SPPI = link to scienceandpublicpolicy.org

I am personally convinced that the Earth's climate has always changed naturally, and that the human race does not have the capability to significantly influence it. The best we can do is cope with the the changes it brings - but we cannot stop those changes. If the Earth was cooling down (which it may be), the human race would be in big trouble because we would be unable to grow enough food.

But as things stand - we are in big trouble anyway - cos the political pressures to sgnificantly reduce energy production will graphically display the correlation between energy and population levels. If you turn off the power, people will die in vast numbers.

It's as if the coming agenda - global warming, peak oil and financial collapse is a conspiracy between the fascist left and fascist right to commit genocide starting with the very poor.

I deplore environmental destruction and extreme capitalist enslavement but the realisation that the Iraq war was not about increasing the flow of oil but of gradually turning it off becomes ever more obvious.

I'm convinced that there is no shortage of energy and that peak oil is a myth but if governments and populations believe it, then the effect is the same as if it were true.

As the supplies are restricted and prices rocket, urban societies will collapse across the world, starting with the very poorest.

Our only hope is that the idiots currently in power who are ruining the world are replaced by sensible atruistic people. Is it too much to expect that those who seek power should want to improve life for all the Earth's lifeforms?

Check out "Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death"

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Economic Reductionism of Human Life is Fundamentally Flawed
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 26, 2008 4:18 PM   
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A big part of the problem with the approach of cost benefting out human life is that the analysis is always subjective. It is always subject to what the analyzer questions or intends. If it's something to do with global warming, it is calculated one way. But, if it involves life insurance expectations it is calculated another way. If it involves the lives of the rich versus the poor or the old versus the young it is still another way. Which one wins out is purely subject to the question being asked, and therefore the methodology is bound to be flawed. What you end up with are results that easily can seem absurd or foolish. It's a lot better to not approach questions of global warming or pollution with a reliance on this approach, but better a reliance on solving the problem. Otherwise, we are reduced to a faulty shell game
to justify what we want or do not want.

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Of course human life has a price.
Posted by: Livemike on Feb 27, 2008 11:18 PM   
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"I can accept that a unit of measurement which allows us to compare the human costs of different spending decisions is a useful tool. What I cannot accept is that it should be scrambled up with the price of eggs and prefixed with a dollar sign."

Well what unit do you expect it to be measured in? I mean really, people have been valueing human lives (including their own) in terms of money for millenia. Look up the "Stotfield fishing disaster" for an example. The fact is that money means you can get things you want, including a lower risk of death. To ignore money out of an alleged desire to see human life as priceless is incoherent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stotfield_fishing_disaster

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