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Is There a Plan for Life After Peak Oil?

By George Monbiot, Monbiot.com. Posted February 12, 2008.


Yes, but it involves a new generation of biofuels that are an environmental disaster.
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Now they might start sitting up. They wouldn't listen to the environmentalists or even the geologists. Can governments ignore the capitalists?

A report published last week by Citibank, and so far unremarked by the media, proposes "genuine difficulties" in increasing the production of crude oil, "particularly after 2012." Though 175 big drilling projects will start in the next four years, "the fear remains that most of this supply will be offset by high levels of decline".

The oil industry has scoffed at the notion that oil supplies might peak, but "recent evidence of failed production growth would tend to shift the burden of proof onto the producers", as they have been unable to respond to the massive rise in prices. "Total global liquid hydrocarbon production has essentially flatlined since mid 2005 at just north of 85 million barrels per day."

The issue is complicated, as ever, by the refusal of the OPEC cartel to raise production. What has changed, Citi says, is that the non-OPEC countries can no longer answer the price signal. Does this mean that oil production in these nations has already peaked? If so, what do our governments intend to do?

Nine months ago, I asked the British government to send me its assessments of global oil supply. The results astonished me: there weren't any. Instead it relied exclusively on one external source: a book published by the International Energy Agency. The omission became stranger still when I read this book and discovered that it was a crude polemic, dismissing those who questioned future oil supplies as "doomsayers" without providing robust evidence to support its conclusions. Though the members of OPEC have a powerful interest in exaggerating their reserves in order to boost their quotas, the IEA relied on their own assessments of future supply.

Last week I tried again, and I received the same response: "the Government agrees with IEA analysis that global oil (and gas) reserves are sufficient to sustain economic growth for the foreseeable future." Perhaps it hasn't noticed that the IEA is now backtracking.

The Financial Times says the agency "has admitted that it has been paying insufficient attention to supply bottlenecks as evidence mounts that oil is being discovered more slowly than once expected ... natural decline rates for discovered fields are a closely guarded secret in the oil industry, and the IEA is concerned that the data it currently holds is not accurate."

What if the data turns out to be wrong? What if OPEC's stated reserves are a pack of lies? What contingency plans has the government made? Answer comes there none.

The European Commission, by contrast, does have a plan, and it's a disaster. It recognises that "the oil dependence of the transport sector ... is one of the most serious problems of insecurity in energy supply that the EU faces." Partly in order to diversify fuel supplies, partly to cut greenhouse gas emissions, it has ordered the member states to ensure that by 2020 10 percent of the petroleum our cars burn must be replaced with biofuels. This won't solve peak oil, but it might at least put it into perspective by causing an even bigger problem.

To be fair to the Commission, it has now acknowledged that biofuels are not a green panacea. Its draft directive rules that they shouldn't be produced by destroying primary forests, ancient grasslands or wetlands, as this could cause a net increase in greenhouse gas emissions. Nor should any biodiverse ecosystem be damaged in order to grow them.

It sounds good, but there are three problems. If biofuels can't be produced in virgin habitats, they must be confined to existing agricultural land, which means that every time we fill up the car we snatch food from people's mouths. This, in turn, raises the price of food, which encourages farmers to destroy pristine habitats -- primary forests, ancient grasslands, wetlands and the rest -- in order to grow it. We can congratulate ourselves on remaining morally pure, but the impacts are the same. There is no way out of this: on a finite planet with tight food supplies you either compete with the hungry or clear new land.

The third problem is that the Commission's methodology has just been blown apart by two new papers. Published in Science magazine, they calculate the total carbon costs of biofuel production. When land clearance (caused either directly or by the displacement of food crops) is taken into account, all the major biofuels cause a massive increase in emissions.

Even the most productive source -- sugarcane grown in the scrubby savannahs of central Brazil -- creates a carbon debt which takes 17 years to repay. As the major carbon reductions must be made now, the net effect of this crop is to exacerbate climate change. The worst source -- palm oil displacing tropical rainforest growing in peat -- invokes a carbon debt of some 840 years.

Even when you produce ethanol from maize grown on "rested" arable land (which in the EU is called set-aside and in the US is called conservation reserve), it takes 48 years to repay the carbon debt. The facts have changed. Will the policy follow?

Many people believe there's a way of avoiding these problems: by making biofuels not from the crops themselves but from crop wastes. If transport fuel can be manufactured from straw or grass or wood chips, there are no implications for land use, and no danger of spreading hunger. Until recently I believed this myself.

Unfortunately most agricultural "waste" is nothing of the kind. It is the organic material which maintains the soil's structure, nutrients and store of carbon. A paper commissioned by the US government proposes that, to help meet its biofuel targets, 75 percent of annual crop residues should be harvested. According to a letter published in Science last year, removing crop residues can increase the rate of soil erosion 100-fold. Our addiction to the car, in other words, could lead to peak soil as well as peak oil.

Removing crop wastes means replacing the nutrients they contain with fertiliser, which causes further greenhouse gas emissions. A recent paper by the Nobel laureate Paul Crutzen suggests that emissions of nitrous oxide (a greenhouse gas 296 times more powerful than CO2) from nitrogen fertilisers wipe out all the carbon savings biofuels produce, even before you take the changes in land use into account.

Growing special second generation crops, such as trees or switchgrass, doesn't solve the problem either: like other energy crops, they displace both food production and carbon emissions. Growing switchgrass, one of the new papers in Science shows, creates a carbon debt of 52 years. Some people propose making second generation fuels from grass harvested in natural meadows or from municipal waste, but it's hard enough to produce them from single feedstocks; far harder to manufacture them from a mixture. Apart from used chip fat, there is no such thing as a sustainable biofuel.

All these convoluted solutions are designed to avoid a simpler one: reducing the consumption of transport fuel. But that requires the use of a different commodity. Global supplies of political courage appear, unfortunately, to have peaked some time ago.


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George Monbiot is the author Heat: How to Stop the Planet from Burning. Read more of his writings at Monbiot.com. This article originally appeared in the Guardian.

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Yes BioFuels are generally bad
Posted by: GreyFlcn on Feb 12, 2008 12:29 PM   
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Even switchgrass looks horrible for the environment in recent studies. (50% worse than petroleum)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...

But the trick to that, is that there's not nearly enough raw biomass to make much of a difference from a logistics standpoint.
(Note, Switchgrass is currently much less efficient than sugarcane ethanol. This chart assumes sugarcane ethanol efficiencies, globally.)
http://greyfalcon.net/biolimits.png

Actually, perhaps the more sinister realistic approach is Coal-to-Liquids, Oil Shale, Tars Sands, and Heavy Oils.
http://greyfalcon.net/fossilenergy
http://greyfalcon.net/fossilenergy.png

As such, it's not too surprising that the technology for Coal-to-Liquids and Cellulosic Ethanol are one in the same.
http://greyfalcon.net/cellulosics

And while Algae might be an ideal substitute from a greenhouse perspective. It will cost ya $20-$30 a gallon to do it. (With little potential of reducing that cost due to the real limitations being thermodynamics)
http://greyfalcon.net/algae4
http://greyfalcon.net/algae

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By comparison, we got gigantic quantities of green electricity to go after.
http://greyfalcon.net/greenenergy.png

And the existing electricity grid can power almost all of our cars if they were electric, with no modification.
http://greyfalcon.net/plugins4

And electric cars are so amazingly efficient that even if they were powered by the dirtiest fuel sources on earth, they'd still be greener than driving a conventional car. (No matter which study you look at)
http://greyfalcon.net/plugins7

And out of these green techs.
SolarThermal, and Geothermal look like some of the most cost-effective and reliable options.
http://greyfalcon.net/solarthermal
http://greyfalcon.net/geothermal

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So it really begins the question.

What is more important?
1. Making liquid hydrocarbon fuel cheap again
2. Dealing with global warming

Since clearly, you don't get to choose both.

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» Bicycles Posted by: Artkansas
» I can't get to greyfalcon. Posted by: AsteroidMiner
There has to be a Plan for the Economy as well ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 13, 2008 12:46 AM   
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In order for any plan to cut carbon emissions to work the whole monetary system must be radically changed.

Our money creation must be a credit money creation bearing no interest.

Our current money creation system, 'debt based fractional banking ', works only with ever increasing consumption and ever increasing consumption means ever more energy usage. We are addicted to growth. Growth means not only maintaining current production but increasing production literally forever, impossible with ever decreasing fossil fuel supplies.

Why does 'debt based fractional banking' do this ? Simple, our money is created by debt , that is whenever anybody takes out a loan the bank puts the money in their account and when a check is written money is created. The problem is servicing the interest on that debt. Since all our money is essentiallly debt then it is constantly accruing interest to be paid, so that more debt must be created to pay the interest accrued. This is a never ending cycle of ever more debt to pay ever more interest.

What is all the money and debt be used for ? Well to buy ever more goods each year. To create these ever more goods more and more resources are used every year. So we have a vicious cycle of ever more resources to create ever more goods to create ever more money to pay the ever increasing interest on the ever increasing debt. It is a geometric progession that will consume the earth trying to pay the debt.

The other problem with debt based money ? When there is less debt there is less money so there is not enough money to go around and bankruptcies happen and eventually the economy goes into deflation causing a downward spiral in the economy that impoverishes society. In fact if the government and the citizens paid off all their debt there would in fact be no money to run the economy!

Credit based money is printed by the government and is created, Not by debt, but by the credit of the government. In this way a slowing of the economy need not mean the destruction of money. We could have a net credit society and still have money in circulation. It would reward savers with real rates of return, not savings gobbled up by inflation and ever cheaper money.

So without a fundamental change from 'debt based fractional banking' to credit based banking the economy would collapse into kaos. Debt would be destroyed taking the money with it and we would enter the Second Great Depression and never reallly emerge as the oil to power the growth of consumption runs out.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 13, 2008 12:53 AM   
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Wait until you see the plan for life after peak water.

The Bush administration: Try 'em & Fry 'em

There's no statute of limitations on genocide.

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Let's say we stop burning fossil fuels. . .
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 13, 2008 12:59 AM   
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This would slow the rate of global warming and stop it in the long run, but it leaves a big energy gap to be filled. The best choices is to use electricity to power everything - electricity alone produces no pollution.

How do you generate electricity for lighting, heating, transportation, and so on, using solar and wind? You had better be using energy-efficient technology if you want to do that.

The first question for biofuels should be this: can you produce biofuels without using fossil fuels? More generally, can you farm without using fossil fuels? Fossil fuels are used to pump groundwater, synthesize nitrogen fertilizers, till and harvest fields, and to transport and process crops. (All such work used to be done using human and animal labor). Obviously, the answer is yes - but will the farm be as productive? Again, the answer is yes - farms can be operated without using fossil fuels.

The wind-and-solar-powered farm should be the basic unit of food production, and if that meets market demand, then the excess should go to biofuel production.

However, it already looks like global warming is cutting into agriculture a bit already - heat waves, flooding and unstable weather are not going to increase yields. This is already happening, and is likely to continue.

Regardless of the exact technology, in the future we'll be relying on sunlight and wind for all the power we use, one way or the other.

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» and oil was made by plants, originally. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: and oil was made by plants, originally. Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» RE: We will always need oil ... Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
» bioplastics can replace petro-plastics. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Speaking of which
Posted by: GreyFlcn on Feb 13, 2008 1:02 AM   
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Coskata Cellulosic Ethanol's CEO Bill Roe lays out the "Post Peak Oil" corporate agenda pretty well.
http://greyfalcon.net/coskata

Pretty much,
Biomass-to-Liquids and Coal-to-Liquids technologies are one in the same.

There's not enough raw biomass to meet the current liquid fuel demand of the world. Period.
http://greyfalcon.net/biolimits.png

There's more than enough coal to do the job though.
http://greyfalcon.net/fossilenergy.png

America and the World have been duped into supporting greenwashed Coal-to-Liquids tech.
http://greyfalcon.net/cellulosics

Toss in some euphoric rhetoric about carbon sequestration in there, and you've gotten the gameplay for Peak Oil down pat.
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/1/29/164910/497
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/01/alberta-to-rely.html

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Not only will it not deal with global warming. But "The Plan" will make things dramatically worse.

Isn't that a comforting thought?

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» monsanto Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Birth Control
Posted by: socialpsych on Feb 13, 2008 3:24 AM   
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The most efficient strategy.

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» RE: Absolutely Posted by: bitsfick
» Not just religion Posted by: andabottleof_rum
» Overpopulation Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Not so Posted by: themotie
The Long Emergency
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 13, 2008 3:47 AM   
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Edited from a Post by JH Kunstler in Alternet.

1. Expand your view beyond the question of how we will run all the cars by means other than gasoline. This obsession with keeping the cars running at all costs could really prove fatal. It is especially unhelpful that so many self-proclaimed "greens" and political "progressives" are hung up on this monomaniacal theme. Get this: the cars are not part of the solution (whether they run on fossil fuels, vodka, used frymax™ oil, or cow shit).

2. We have to produce food differently. The Monsanto/Cargill model of industrial agribusiness is heading toward its Waterloo. As oil and gas deplete, we will be left with sterile soils and farming organized at an unworkable scale.

3. We have to inhabit the terrain differently. Virtually every place in our nation organized for car dependency is going to fail to some degree. Quite a few places (Phoenix, Las Vegas, Miami ...) will support only a fraction of their current populations. We'll have to return to traditional human ecologies at a smaller scale: villages, towns, and cities (along with a productive rural landscape).

4. We have to move things and people differently. This is the sunset of Happy Motoring (including the entire US trucking system). Get used to it. Don't waste your society's remaining resources trying to prop up car-and-truck dependency.

5. We have to transform retail trade. The national chains that have used the high tide of fossil fuels to contrive predatory economies-of-scale (and kill local economies) -- they are going down. WalMart and the other outfits will not survive the coming era of expensive, scarcer oil. They will not be able to run the "warehouses-on-wheels" of 18-wheel tractor-trailers incessantly circulating along the interstate highways. Their 12,000-mile supply lines to the Asian slave-factories are also endangered as the US and China contest for Middle East and African oil.

6. We will have to make things again in America. However, we are going to make less stuff. We will have fewer things to buy, fewer choices of things.

7. The age of canned entertainment is coming to and end. It was fun for a while. We liked "Citizen Kane" and the Beatles. But we're going to have to make our own music and our own drama down the road.

8. We'll have to reorganize the education system. The centralized secondary school systems based on the yellow school bus fleets will not survive the coming decades. The huge investments we have made in these facilities will impede the transition out of them, but they will fail anyway.

9. We have to reorganize the medical system. The current skein of intertwined rackets based on endless Ponzi buck passing scams will not survive the discontinuities to come. We will probably have to return to a model of service much closer to what used to be called "doctoring." Medical training may also have to change as the big universities run into trouble functioning.

10. Life in the USA will have to become much more local, and virtually all the activities of everyday life will have to be re-scaled. You can state categorically that any enterprise now supersized is likely to fail -- everything from the federal government to big corporations to huge institutions. If you can find a way to do something practical and useful on a smaller scale than it is currently being done, you are likely to have food in your cupboard and people who esteem you.

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» RE: The Long Emergency Posted by: maxfactor
Thanks, Monbiot and Greyfalcon
Posted by: mwildfire on Feb 13, 2008 4:13 AM   
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Wonderful succinct piece about the problems with biofuels--Monbiot's stuff is nearly always good--and Greyfalcon posts interesting things on Grist, nice to see his/her input here too.
The key is--we need to save the last of the fossil fuels for the things we can't produce in other ways, and to make the transition to a sustainable economy--and we need a massive investment to make this massive change, starting yesterday. It's criminal to be wasting these resources on blasting down the highway in metal boxes weighing sevral tons, with most people not even aware of the real issues.
If we invest our last public resources--before the fuel crunch and global warming knock our economy down for the count-- in false solutions like biofuels and coal-to-liquids and nukes, the aftermath will be so much harder for the survivors, the loss of biodiversity so much worse, than if we are able to quickly adopt rational policies. But the problem is really not figuring out which policies those are--it's figuring out how to wrest control of our governments from the multinational corporations intent on consuming the rest of the Earth. Corporations are not people and they are not like people--they will not truly be affected by the end of civilization. They'll go out of existence, but it isn't really death as they are not alive, not sentient. They are programmed machines, programmed to amass profits. Giving them political power was madness. How can we solve this? The key is one sector of the corporate monolith--the mass media that shape public opinion. The media constitute the nervous system of the body politic, the communication channels. As such, this function is too important in a democracy to be privately owned.

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HELP! TXDOT is proposing bigger/more roads
Posted by: blondesprite on Feb 13, 2008 4:46 AM   
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financed through (possibly foreign) privatization of toll roads.
Please, I implore all the commentors and would-be writers at Alternet help me convince TXDOT (go to: www.KeepTexasMoving.org) and post your comments/concerns there. The concerned citizens of Texas need your help!

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» airport expansions too Posted by: toddcory
What about the medians of our highways
Posted by: boltedwood on Feb 13, 2008 5:37 AM   
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We have plenty of unused land between the lanes of our interstate highways. Plus we are already maintaining these grounds as landscaping, we use fuel to keep the grass down, why not plant fuel crops where the fuels are being used.....post signs and let people know....Plus reduction in consumption.

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biofuel
Posted by: zizi on Feb 13, 2008 5:58 AM   
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what about the jatropha plant, i read it can grow anywhere so it won't compete for agricultural land, needs very little water, yields much more biofuel than corn, and its waste can be used as fertilizer.

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» Jatropha Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: Jatropha Posted by: zizi
BIOFUEL
Posted by: heide on Feb 13, 2008 6:21 AM   
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hemp,,hemp ,,hemp,,hemp,,
HEMP,,HEMP,,HEMP,,HEMP,,
ECT..ECT..ECT..
AND AGAIN I SAY
HEMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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» RE: hemp Posted by: bitsfick
» HEMP YES!!! Posted by: garry minor
» yay! HEMP. Posted by: undrgrndgirl
vegetarian vegan vegetarian vegan vegetarian vegan, I'll say it again!
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Feb 13, 2008 6:38 AM   
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vegetarian vegan vegetarian vegan vegetarian vegan, I'll say it again!The vast majority of crops grown on the planet are to feed cattle, pigs, chicken, etc.

If we eat the plants directly instead of convert them to meat using an unspeakable amount of oil and water and fertilizer in the process, it's much more eco and the biofuel issue won't be as bad.

Don't we need biofuel until we have a better option?

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» Hear, hear Posted by: themotie
I'm not worried
Posted by: sre on Feb 13, 2008 7:10 AM   
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Most of the final shaking out of Peak Oil will happen long after I'm dead of old age. I can't help it if the average human is so bound up with tradition and habit that he can't see what's coming down the pike at him.

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» RE: I'm not worried Posted by: leerhok
I don't know what the solution is
Posted by: sre on Feb 13, 2008 7:11 AM   
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to the problem.
To quote Murphy's law: "The light at the end of the tunnel is the head lamp of an on-coming train." Whatever is done should take that into account. There are unintended consequences to everything.

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Conserve
Posted by: GPFrank on Feb 13, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Conservation has to be part of it. Cutting down on meat consumption and eating beans for high protein
(not Soy). (Consider the type of cooking current in India)
Cutting down on transportation routes and using (subsidizing) the most efficient such as rail. Wind and solar power require much infrastructure investment but should be planned incrementally, but consistently. New industries should enter into plans for new housing nearby.
Crops should be chosen that are more appropriate for the region: that is, wheat, oats, rather than maize where annual rainfall is less than 20 inches. Much could be saved by avoiding pushing maize so much.

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» RE: Conserve Posted by: dmaciewski
let it happen
Posted by: LarryGroff on Feb 13, 2008 8:32 AM   
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I am beginning to think the best solution is to simply let the disasters happen. This will probably be what happens anyway, despite the best efforts and thinking of smarter people everywhere. There are way too many stupid, blind, selfish and mean people in power or supporting that power and they will never change unless forced to do so.

Ultimately, the disasters will significantly reduce the human population and perhaps allow a chance for the rest of the world's inhabitants a chance to heal from the long raging infection caused by human greed.

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» I hate to admit it but... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
Peak Oil The Myth
Posted by: illuminatislave on Feb 13, 2008 8:57 AM   
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Anybody that believes 'peak oil' is real, should read Joe Vialls "Russia Proves 'Peak Oil' Is A Misleading Zionist Scam".

http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html

Perhaps George Monbiot should read this before he writes the above trash.

Instead of America wasting OUR money on the defense industry at a cost of 4000 U.S. troops lives to STEAL Middle Eastern oil, maybe we should have invested in deep oil well drilling of our own. But wait, the defense industry owns our congress. Never mind.

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» RE: Peak Oil The Myth Posted by: Animal
» RE: Peak Oil The Myth Posted by: dmaciewski
» RE: Peak Oil The Myth Posted by: illuminatislave
» RE: Peak Oil The Myth Posted by: bcgirl125
So many seem clueless
Posted by: Pirate1 on Feb 13, 2008 9:41 AM   
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Around this... everyone seems to think that all we are doing as a species is fine to continue with as long as we just burn something else. We can just go on breeding like crazy monkeys, discarding containers and packaging MADE from oil until the entire surface of the planet's oceans is covered in floating waste, becoming ever more dependent on being moved by machines than moving ourselves... lay to waste what wilderness remains in order to grow fuel crops to power all this new machinery. It's all so lame. So short sighted and uninformed.

We need to stop listening to people who say we CAN'T generate what we need from solar, wind, tidal generation and put the kind of energy we put into developing nuclear weapons and sending men to the moon behind the problem so that we CAN. We also need to realize that we don't need a powered gadget to do everything we have evolved hands and muscles to do... we're becoming fat, lazy, atrophied and dumb as a species and with the climate changes coming we need to be much more like our quick witted, world savvy, clever forebears who survived Ice ages and global droughts of the past. Listening to people complain about minor changes in weather... the rain, the heat. the cold, etc. tell me most of the human population isn't going to come through what is ahead.

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COUNTDOWN TO GLOBAL SUICIDE!
Posted by: Christopher Calder on Feb 13, 2008 11:28 AM   
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COUNTDOWN TO GLOBAL SUICIDE!

8 - Do you want to raise food prices worldwide and cause millions of people to go hungry and even starve to death?

7 - Do you want to speed global warming so that much of planet earth becomes uninhabitable?

6 - Do you want to burn down the 'lungs of the world', the tropical rainforests?

5 - Do you want to erode topsoil around the world and cause accelerated desertification of the planet?

4 - Do you want to increase the Federal budget deficit?

3 - Do you want to pay even more for fuel at the pump?

2 - Do you want to cause political instability and wars around the world?

1 - If your answer is YES to these questions, then biofuels are the product for you, because biofuel production does or will do all of these things!

SEE "The biofuel hoax is causing a world food crisis!" at:
http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html

For motivational movie viewing, I suggest you watch "SOYLENT GREEN."
SEE shocking plot synopsis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
Now our politicians are foolishly turning our food into fuel. Perhaps later they will be turning our people into food!

THEN look at current SHOCKING biofuel news stories at: http://home.att.net/~meditation/biofuel-news.html

LASTLY see the Food Supply and Climate Preservation Act at: http://home.att.net/~meditation/food-preservation-act.html

Ask yourself, can our politicians be this dumb? Apparently, the answer is YES!

Christopher Calder

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The Rich are on Crack
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 13, 2008 12:15 PM   
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Monbiot asks: The facts have changed. Will the policy follow?

Um... of course not. The current crop of owning class private school "D" students setting and maintaining public policy are of the Xtian fundie ilk that change facts to fit their delusional fantasies, and fund it on everyone else's backs.

HELLO, WAKE the FRACK UP! This is what happens when societies allow only the rich to run their systems, gubamints, industries and economies.

Most of the world's wealthy elite (owning class and upper middling investor classes included) are abjectly stoopid and pathologically foolish. They are utterly undereducated and grossly unqualified to run things. For that matter the sheeple working and middling classes that nurse themselves from the investor-owner classes' myths and scams are just as unqualified and undereducated. But the latter have no excuse only in that they are letting themselves be led around by their noses by people whose only "qualification" is their material wealth. The rich, however, having far greater power and thus much greater responsibility have absolutely no excuse whatsoever. They've stolen the inheritance of every last human being on earth for their own personal gain and still managed to fail to educate or improve themselves on behalf of those whom they "own" and oppress in their dominance. They are exhibiting extinction behavior day after day.

The biofuel gambit will be their last play. After that, the masses of homeless from the owning class' subprime scams, the masses of hungry from the owning class' biofuels scams will be finally ready for blood, and then, Mme Guiilotine will seem to the owning class a nostalgic dream...

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End around
Posted by: willymack on Feb 13, 2008 2:14 PM   
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As long as we're hung up on burning stuff for our energy needs, the hucksters will be there to sell us on anything they can make look good. There HAS to be a better way to produce energy, one that can be universally applied and once the capitalization costs are recovered, affordable to all. As long as the "energy" companies control this, there will be NO progress worth mentioning. Even if vast new oil sources are found ( some say they already have been found ,and are being kept secret to maximize profits), should we BURN it? Isn't our atmosphere foul enough already? It isn't just oil, of course. Coal is even worse, even the liquified kind. Alcohol and biodiesel aren't any better. The scientific research to propel us into a post-combustion era could-and should-be bourne by the oil, coal, and gas interests. They got us into this sorry state; it's only fitting that they be forced to help us out of it.

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ethics and morals
Posted by: lukitas on Feb 13, 2008 3:14 PM   
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The problem with the human race is that we have a few holes in our moral system. Being rich should be abhorred and despised, as incest, pedophilia and snuff-movies are. Civil work, in parliaments and village and town and city councils, should be a duty, not a right. Everybody should be required to spend some time of their life running things in democratic assemblies.
One can but dream.

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» RE: ethics and morals Posted by: lukitas
And we're running out of fertilizer too.
Posted by: GreyFlcn on Feb 13, 2008 8:09 PM   
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Also looks like we're running short on the fertilizers used to grow crops as well.
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/2/13/64820/6921

Guess we need to look out for "Peak Phosphorous"

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Let's both conserve AND fight to legalize INDUSTRIAL HEMP
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 13, 2008 9:41 PM   
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Unlike other biofuels, this one doesn't require any petroleum, doesn't deplete the soil, yields more energy in return, and actually reduces global warming. Now let's see who wants to be a winner and join in tearing down the "reefer madness" myth.

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Hope
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 13, 2008 11:58 PM   
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Reference the book: "Break Through" by Ted Nordhaus and Michael
Shellenberger, 2007.

The message is: "Environmentalists have the wrong STRATEGY and the wrong
Philosophy." From page 272: "Whether we like it or not, humans have become
the meaning of the earth." Nordhaus and Shellenberger recommend changing
from a message about limits and separating people from nature to a message about
growth of clean energy and seeing people as part of nature. Clearly humans are
part of nature. We ARE clearly part of our Universe and we cannot be separate
from it.
On the good side, we are the only organism capable of spreading earth life to other
planets and defending Mother Earth from giant asteroid impacts. On the bad side,
we are capable of causing our own extinction by means of global warming. A
total global warming of 11 degrees Fahrenheit will cause H2S to bubble out of the
oceans and kill everybody and almost all of the other life forms that we care about.
We have already caused one degree Fahrenheit of global warming and natural
positive feedbacks may kick in soon.

Nordhaus and Shellenberger recommend working WITH human psychology rather
than fighting it. Human psychology is illogical from the previous philosophy of
environmentalism, but can be taken advantage of by changing philosophies. The
old philosophy is getting us nowhere. With a new strategy, we can be in favor of
both economic growth and stopping global warming. Stopping global warming
requires government investment in implementation of green energy such as nuclear
electric power to replace the biggest CO2 generator and polluter, coal fired power
plants. This has to be done immediately. For later use, research and development
of wind, solar and geothermal needs to be federally funded.

Our new strategy must include growth beyond the cradle which is earth. We
MUST expand into space and the economic incentive for doing so is infinite. We
can and we will do so by means of the space elevator. See: www.liftport.com.
One iron asteroid about 2.5 miles in diameter is worth $35 TRillion. See:
"Mining the Sky" by Lewis.
Likewise the biological incentive. "Cosmological Forecast" at
jetpress.org/volume12/CosmologicalForecast.htm. According to the
Cosmological Forecast, for every century we delay the onset of Galactic
colonization, there will be 5 times 10 exponent 46 fewer human lifetimes between
now and the time the galaxy dies. That is 5 followed by 46 "0"s. Our population
explosion may be allowed to continue as long as it happens in space, not on earth.
The solar system as a whole can support 10 times as many people as earth alone.

Check out http://lifeboat.com. Some of us are working on surviving in space
while the rest of you undergo your ecological disaster. We can repopulate earth
much later.

We have to colonize space for another reason. In only 33,000 years, Proxima
Centauri, a red dwarf star, will enter our Oort Cloud, causing a period of "Heavy
Bombardment." Earth will be struck by giant impactors like the one that killed the
dinosaurs unless we humans are out there preventing it.

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COAL=DEATH=EXTINCTION of the HUMAN RACE
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 14, 2008 12:05 AM   
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Hydrogen Sulfide gas will Kill all people. Homo Sap will go
EXTINCT unless drastic action is taken.

October 2006 Scientific American

"EARTH SCIENCE
Impact from the Deep
Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not
asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions.
Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?
By Peter D. Ward
downloaded from:
http://www.sciam.com/
article.cfm?articleID=
00037A5D-A938-150E-
A93883414B7F0000&
sc=I100322
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But with atmospheric carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm
and expected to accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900
ppm by the end of the next century, and conditions that bring
about the beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That is
something our society should never find out."

Press Release
Pennsylvania State University
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, Nov. 3, 2003
downloaded from:
http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/prPennStateKump.htm
"In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and
the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper
levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide
catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and
animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would
kill most terrestrial life."

www.astrobio.net is a NASA web zine. See:

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=672

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=1535

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/article2509.html

http://astrobio.net/news/
modules.php?op=modload
&name=News&file=article
&sid=2429&mode=thread
&order=0&thold=0

These articles agree with the first 2. They all say 6 degrees C or
1000 parts per million CO2 is the extinction point.

The global warming is already 1 degree Farenheit. 11 degrees
Farenheit is about 6 degrees Celsius. The book "Six Degrees" by
Mark Lynas agrees. If the global warming is 6 degrees
centigrade, we humans go extinct. See:
http://www.marklynas.org/
2007/4/23/six-steps-to-hell-
summary-of-six-degrees-as-
published-in-the-guardian

"Under a Green Sky" by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007.
Paleontologist discusses mass extinctions of the past and the one
we are doing to ourselves.

ALL COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS MUST BE
CONVERTED TO NUCLEAR IMMEDIATELY TO AVOID
THE EXTINCTION OF US HUMANS. 32 countries have
nuclear power plants. Only 9 have the bomb. The top 3
producers of CO2 all have nuclear power plants, coal fired power
plants and nuclear bombs. They are the USA, China and India.
Reducing CO2 production by 90% by 2050 requires drastic action
in the USA, China and India. King Coal has to be demoted to a
commoner. Coal must be left in the earth. If you own any coal
stock, NOW is the time to dump it, regardless of loss, because it
will soon be worthless.

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The Dust Bowl Next Time
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 14, 2008 12:11 AM   
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Downloaded FROM: Environmental Defense
http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/
climate411/2008/01/14/global_winds/

This post is by James Wang, Ph.D., a climate scientist at Environmental Defense.

You may have heard about the persistent droughts in the western U.S., Australia,
and other regions. The Upper Colorado River Basin is experiencing a protracted,
multi-year drought that started in 1999. Australia's record drought is threatening
the livelihood of traditional farmers and ranchers.

At what point does a passing drought become a permanent shift to desert
conditions, and why would such a thing happen?

It can happen because of global warming. Climate change can alter global winds,
the strength and location of high and low pressure systems, and other climate
factors.

.........shortened.........Graphics and URLs omitted.

Global winds shape the Earth's climate, determining - in broad strokes - which
areas are tropical, desert, or temperate. Here's a simplified overview of how it
works.

The Sun heats the Earth most intensely in the tropical zone around the equator. The
heated air rises, cools, and then dumps its moisture as rain. That's why there are
rain forests in the tropics.

The now drier air is forced by the continuously rising equatorial air to move
towards the temperate latitudes on either side of the equator. At roughly 30° N and
S - called the "horse latitudes" - it can move no further due to the Earth’s rotation,
and settles to the surface. As the air sinks, it compresses and warms, creating hot,
rain-free conditions. This circulation pattern, called a Hadley cell, is why the
deserts of the world are located just poleward of the tropics, to the north and south.

Poleward of the desert belt, strong, high-altitude winds known as the jet streams
flow from west to east, carrying large storms with them. These mid-latitude,
temperate-region storms are an important source of rain and snow, especially
during the winter season. Much of the world's population lives in the temperate
region. It includes most of the U.S. and southern Canada, most of Europe, East
Asia, southern South America, southern Africa, and southern Australia and New
Zealand.

But climate regions aren't fixed. Several independent studies have found that
global winds are shifting due to global warming, and the shifts are faster than
predicted by climate models. Most recently is this new study in Nature
Geoscience. The tropical belt has widened by several degrees latitude since 1979.
This is consistent with other observations suggesting that the jet streams and storm
tracks have moved poleward.

The drought-stricken Upper Colorado River Basin, which includes Lake Powell, is
located just poleward of the horse latitudes at around 37° N. This has historically
been in the temperate zone, but the desert zone may be gradually encroaching upon
it. (Since nothing is simple, there are other factors contributing to this particular
drought, as well.) Similarly, water-starved Sydney, Australia at 34° S is just
poleward of the southern horse latitude.

What we may be seeing here is not so much drought as desertification - a shift in
global climate patterns due to global warming. Areas that used to be in temperate
zones may be shifting into desert, while areas that had been arid receive more
precipitation.

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Why do you keep ignoring the elephant in the living room?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 14, 2008 12:20 AM   
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As I have told you before, the #1 carbon dioxide emitter is coal
fired power plants. How do coal fired power plants get ahead
of transportation [cars and other vehicles] in carbon emissions?
Gasoline, diesel fuel, etc. are half hydrogen. For example, octane
is C8H18. To figure out what fraction of the energy is from
burning the carbon, you have to look up the heat of formation of
carbon dioxide and the heat of formation of water. It takes 1
carbon to make one CO2, but it takes 2 hydrogens to make 1 H2O.
You can do the arithmetic and apportion the energy between the
carbon and the hydrogen. You have to subtract the energy
required to break down the octane into atoms. It is easier to
remove the hydrogens than it is to separate the carbons, so the
energy subtracted gets apportioned too.
Coal is almost pure carbon, except for the URANIUM,
ARSENIC, LEAD, MERCURY, Antimony, Cobalt, Nickel,
Copper, Selenium, Barium, Fluorine, Silver, Beryllium, Iron,
Sulfur, Boron, Titanium, Cadmium, Magnesium, Calcium,
Manganese, Vanadium, Chlorine, Aluminum, Chromium,
Molybdenum and Zinc that are coal's impurities. Even though
transportation uses more energy, coal fired power plants put more
CO2 into the air.

Transportation isn't even the second largest CO2 emitter.
Industrial processes are. The largest CO2 emitter of the industrial
processes is concrete making even though the energy used is less.
The first step in concrete making is heating limestone [calcium
carbonate] to drive off the carbon dioxide to make calcium oxide.
Coal is burned to make the heat, but the limestone is the greater
source of CO2. Other industrial processes include steel making,
metal casting, etc.

The easiest way to make the biggest reduction in CO2 emissions
is to convert all coal fired power plants to nuclear. So get over
your paranoid fears of all things nuclear and get it done.

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Lakes on top of mountains
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Feb 14, 2008 12:35 AM   
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Solar power doesn't work at night and the needed research
includes dividing the price by 10 to 100 and energy storage. Is
there enough lead in the world to make enough lead-acid
batteries? At what price? What is the supply of these salts in
which heat is to be stored? What is the price of storing trillions
of watt hours as heat in molten salt? Where are you going to put
molten salt heat storage facilities? All of these questions need to
be answered before you have a viable solution. Solar power is
excellent for peak load in the middle of the day, but solar power is
not there at all at night and is limited during most of the day.
Solar power isn't there for the base load without these energy
storage schemes that may not be feasible. Another scheme that
won't work: Store energy by pumping water up hill. The
problem is that lakes are rarely found at the tops of mountains.

There are few places where the wind blows constantly. For other
places, a multi-continent-spanning superconducting web of power
lines has been proposed. This is a good idea, but hardly a proven
technology.

Geothermal is great where feasible, but again, that isn't
everywhere. There are very few geothermal sites and they are not
where we need them.

We need 2 or 3 more Earths to make biofuel work. If we had
more planets already, we wouldn't have global warming yet.

Nuclear power is well proven, safe and abundant. We have been
improving it for 60 years. Nuclear power is excellent for base
load application, which is what is required. Nuclear power saves
14.7 Million tons of carbon dioxide per year per 1000 megawatts.
112 COAL fired power plants are on order in the US. Building
nuclear power plants to replace them and the coal fired power
plants we already have is not such a big task that the US cannot do
it. We certainly can. Not providing electricity is not an option.
Just try the no electricity option and see how fast you get a
revolution. Nuclear power is the only option that actually works
NOW. All others except coal need research to get them to work
providing base load. Coal will kill us all if we keep using it.

As I have said many times, invest YOUR money in wind, solar,
etc. Get rich or go broke. I'm betting you will do the latter.

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» Nuclear Energy is not a solution it's Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» oh, as to well-proven: Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
rws
Posted by: rws on Feb 14, 2008 3:25 PM   
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ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!
ATTENTION ALL OPEN MINDS !!!
HEAR YE ! HEAR YE !
COINCIDENCE IS THE SPONTANEOUS EFFORTLESS MANIFESTATION OF DESIRE AND BY FOCUSING OUR INTENTION IN THE FEILD OF OUR AWARENSS...
BINGO!
Listen up !
It turns out we actually don't need oil,coal,natural,gas or nuclear power and their pollution risks and here is why .
95% of all petrochemicals are burned in polluting internal combustion engines for transportation and electical power generation .
Instead burn water H20 !
There is three times the energy in a gallon of water than a gallon of gasoline when the hydrogen and oxygen in water are burned with no polluting emissions .
Salt can store 25 times the energy of water.
Expose salt water to radio wave frequencies .
Tune a radio frequency generator to 13.65 mhz
and ignite the off gassing hydrogen and oxygen.
It generates 3000 degrees and doesn't burn the salt.
There are abundant resources of salt water.
A cheaply made almost zero maintanence silent powerful Tesla steam turbine
(10 hp/lb of motor) hybrid ac electric power plant to generate electricity for your home bussiness transportation etc.
Recycle all the metal in the power lines etc.
Green fungi based fertilizers ,pesticides,and herbicides .
Alternative medicines like 98% oxygen 2% ozone
I can go on and on .Technological innovation has always preceeded REVOLUTION !
NOW IS THE TIME !!!!
To arms I tell you ... Hug someone and tell them the good news ...now lets make it happen.
10 billion people can THRIVE here on EARTH !!!
Youtube "search" -burn salt water- kanzius
Tesla society -T.E.B.A.-
Otto Warburg 2 nobel prizes

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alternative transportation!
Posted by: rsinger09 on Feb 14, 2008 4:43 PM   
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GET RID OF YOUR CARS!
http://www.car-free.org/

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I hate to admit it but...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Feb 17, 2008 4:58 AM   
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...it is already happening.

Just the mere fact that we keep electing people like the Shrub tells you that Idiocracy has taken place (see the movie of the same name).

People, especially in this country, that continue to believe in Invisible friends such as Jesus,will believe anything, and that is most of the problem in a nutshell.

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Ethenol is bad news
Posted by: macdon1 on Feb 17, 2008 6:30 PM   
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In some states our gasoline is already up to 50% corn ethenol which gets less miles per gallon and is very hard on car engines. Archer Daniels Midland,the corporation that spends millions on lobbyists and campaign contributions,is making a bundle at the expense of our environment and ourselves. A true example of how money talks and bull__it walks!

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Simple arithmetic
Posted by: Alex Hidell on Feb 19, 2008 4:06 PM   
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One trillion barrels of recoverable oil left in the world (source: recent tv commercials by a prominent oil company), divided by daily oil consumption of 85 million barrels (currently), projected to rise to 120 million barrels per day by 2020, source NRDC,

"World oil consumption is expected to rise more than 50 percent by 2025 to 121 million barrels per day, driven largely by the 3 percent annual growth in demand in the developing countries of Asia.10 "

www.nrdc.org/air/transportation/gasprices.asp

So, doing the arithmetic, you have about 25 to 27 years of oil left. Period.

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sad to say it but;
Posted by: jwpa13 on Feb 19, 2008 7:22 PM   
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atomic and hemp seem to be about our only hopes. it will take about 10 to 12 years to get wither in place for mass use.

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