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Has Europe Found a Way To Replace Fossil Fuels?

By Paul Rodgers, Independent UK. Posted December 6, 2007.


A proposed wind-fueled 'supergrid' will give clean power to Europe via a 5,000-mile network, cutting the continent's carbon output by a quarter.
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An audacious proposal to build a 5,000-mile electricity supergrid, stretching from Siberia to Morocco and Egypt to Iceland, would slash Europe's CO2 emissions by a quarter, scientists say.

The scheme would make the use of renewable energy, particularly wind power, so reliable and cheap that it would replace fossil fuels on an unprecedented scale, serving 1.1 billion people in 50 countries. Europe's 1.25bn tons of annual CO2 output from electricity generation would be wiped out. High-voltage direct current (HVDC) lines, up to 100 times as long as the alternating current (AC) cables carried by the National Grid's pylons, would form the system's main arteries. While AC lines are the international standard, they leak energy. HVDC lines are three times as efficient, making them cost effective over distances above 50 miles.

Building the supergrid would require an investment of $80bn (£40bn), plus the cost of the wind turbines -- a fraction of the €1 trillion the EU expects to pay for a 20 percent reduction of its carbon footprint by 2020. The average price of the electricity generated would be just 4.6 euro cents per kWh, competitive with today's rates, which are likely to rise as fossil fuels run out.

Yet while several governments have expressed interest, Britain is not among them, says the scientist behind the proposal. "We have the technical abilities to build such a supergrid within three to five years," said Dr Gregor Czisch, an energy systems expert at the University of Kassel in Germany. "We just need to commit to this big long-term strategy."

Many supporters of renewable energy see it as a small-scale technology, but Dr Gordon Edge of the British Wind Energy Association, said the megaproject was essential. "European policy is only just waking up to this," he said.

The supergrid would draw power from massed turbines in a band of countries to Europe's south and east that have above average wind potential, feeding it to the industrialised centres of Europe. The scale would overcome the biggest obstacle to wind power -- its unreliability. In smaller networks, such as Britain's National Grid, calm weather could cut production to zero. But the supergrid would cover a region so large that the wind would always be blowing somewhere.

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Global Energy Network Now Emerging
Posted by: hdsolarguy on Dec 6, 2007 10:19 PM   
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There is a new "world wide web" emerging right before our eyes. It is a global energy network and, like the internet, it will change our culture, society and how we do business. More importantly, it will alter how we use, transform and exchange energy.

For more information, see http://www.terrawatts.com

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centralization: punch me, mr. terrorist, please punch me
Posted by: DaBear on Dec 7, 2007 7:11 PM   
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While this sounds totally nifty and really swell, all I can think of is, in the US, massive interstate utility grids are an Achilles heel, not just from terrorists, should they choose to hit them, but from the standpoint of economic justice--big grids mean big public utilities which despite their being "public" means massive corruption, price gouging, inefficiency and so on. Local decentralized MUDs and on-site/site-spec micro grids are safe, impervious and cheaper.

Dunno how'd that work out for EU but in NA, decentralization will be our salvation.

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http://www.terrawatts.com: Liquid nitrogen is still required
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 8, 2007 1:27 AM   
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Following the http://www.terrawatts.com lead, you arrive at the
statement that the "high temperature" superconductor will be
cooled by liquid nitrogen. See:
http://www.azom.com/details.asp?
ArticleID=942#_When_will_HTS
The need for liquid nitrogen is the achilles heal of this scheme. It
isn't really a "room" temperature superconductor. Any accidental
warming brings the grid to a halt. Energy is required to make
liquid nitrogen. Dry nitrogen must be cooled to 77 degrees
Kelvin to make it a liquid. The cable has to be insulated its entire
length. The cable also must be physically separated into "out"
and "return" wires, and the force between the 2 wires will be
large. As stated in the article, it won't be cheap.

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SUPERGRID NO! FROM BRITS
Posted by: PROFPETE on Dec 10, 2007 12:52 PM   
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I would have, had you asked, told you Britain's answer would be no. They and the Bushites are hoping to lock up the oil industry and bop the prices up to $250-$350 per barrel, cornering the market as Hunt tried to do on Silver.

The Bushite avarice knows no bounds

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Our version
Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 10, 2007 10:37 PM   
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Here in Southern California, we have wind farms, but not to the extent that will exist with this new, massive European system; and I'm not sure we have any location, or locations, to match the reliability of wind there.

What we do have, though, is the sun. Lots of it. Damn near all the time in our Mojave Desert. Already SoCalEdison has built two large solar plants there; why can't we massivly increase this number? Holy kilowatt, 10% of that desert covered in solar plants could power the whole western United States, if not more. And, my guess is that the environmental impact would be minimal as well, not much more than an abundance of shade.

In the longer run, every place on Earth has a potential endless energy source right under foot – well, not RIGHT under foot, but a few miles down: the Earth's own interior heat. We already drill oil wells miles deep, down to where it is hot enough to superheat water, so getting there is not a major problem. So, what is? The will to do it. There are plans in the works to build these kinds of test geothermal plants, but the pace to reach meaningful production is glacial for lack of funds. Ditto for a plant operating right now, next to a Butterball Turkey slaughterhouse in Missouri, that can turn any kind of garbage, from chicken feet to plastics, into oil. Not enough funding because the technology, if expanded greatly, could threaten the profits of oil companies.

The technologies to solve most of our greenhouse gas/energy problems exist right now; we just need to act more for the common good like Europeans and invest in them.

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Supergrid is the wrong technology.
Posted by: PaulK on Dec 13, 2007 6:50 PM   
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Sending electricity from the windiest part of Europe to a windless part of Europe on any one day is an expensive waste of wires.

The right technology is pumped hydroelectric storage plants. Wikipedia names about 100 such plants in the world. They pump water uphill during windy times and let the water back down in slack times.

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