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Environment

Top 100 Ways Global Warming Will Change Your Life

Center for American Progress. Posted September 29, 2007.


Say goodbye to French wines, baseball and the Great Barrier Reef. Say hello to massive amounts of mosquitoes, the northwest passage and hurricanes.
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Say Goodbye to French Wines. Wacky temperatures and rain cycles brought on by global warming are threatening something very important: Wine. Scientists believe global warming will "shift viticultural regions toward the poles, cooler coastal zones and higher elevations." What that means in regular language: Get ready to say bye-bye to French Bordeaux and hello to British champagne. [LA Times]

Say Goodbye to Light and Dry Wines. Warmer temperatures mean grapes in California and France develop their sugars too quickly, well before their other flavors. As a result, growers are forced to either a) leave the grapes on the vines longer, which dramatically raises the alcoholic content of the fruit or b) pick the grapes too soon and make overly sweet wine that tastes like jam. [Washington Post]

Say Goodbye to Pinot Noir. The reason you adore pinot noir is that it comes from a notoriously temperamental thin-skinned grape that thrives in cool climates. Warmer temperatures are already damaging the pinots from Oregon, "baking away" the grape's berry flavors. [Bloomberg]

Say Goodbye to Baseball. The future of the ash tree -- from which all baseball bats are made -- is in danger of disappearing, thanks to a combination of killer beetles and global warming. [NY Times]

Say Goodbye to Christmas Trees. The Pine Bark Beetle, which feeds on and kills pine trees, used to be held in control by cold winter temperatures. Now the species is thriving and killing off entire forests in British Columbia, unchecked. [Seattle Post Intelligencer]

Say Goodbye to the Beautiful Alaska Vacation. Warmer weather allowed Spruce Bark Beetles to live longer, hardier lives in the forests of Kenai Peninsula in Alaska, where they killed off a section of spruce forest the size of Connecticut . [Alaska Science Forum]

Say Goodbye to Fly Fishing. As water temperatures continue to rise, researchers say rainbow trout, "already at the southern limits" of their temperature ranges in the Appalachian mountains, could disappear there over the next century. [Softpedia]

Say Goodbye to Ski Competitions. Unusually warmer winters caused the International Ski Federation to cancel last year's Alpine skiing World Cup and opening races in Sölden, Austria. Skiers are also hard-pressed now to find places for year-round training. Olympic gold medalist Anja Paerson: "Of course we're all very worried about the future of our sport. Every year we have more trouble finding places to train." [NY Times]

Say Goodbye to Ski Vacations. Slopes on the East Coast last year closed months ahead of time due to warmer weather, some losing as much as a third of their season. [Washington Post]

Say Hello to Really Tacky Fake Ski Vacations. Weiner Air Force and former House Majority Leader Dick Armey are building a year-round ski resort in Texas, with "wet, white Astroturf with bristles" standing in for snow to make up for all the closed resorts around the country. [WSJ] Say Goodbye to That Snorkeling Vacation. The elkhorn coral which used to line the floor of the Caribbean are nearly gone, "victims of pollution, warmer water and acidification from the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide seeping into oceans." [Denver Post]

Say Goodbye to That Tropical Island Vacation. Indonesia's environment minister announced this year that scientific studies estimate about 2,000 of the country's lush tropical islands could disappear by 2030 due to rising sea levels. [ABC News]

Say Goodbye to Cool Cultural Landmarks. The World Monuments Fund recently added "global warming" as a threat in their list of the top 100 threatened cultural landmarks. "On Herschel Island, Canada, melting permafrost threatens ancient Inuit sites and a historic whaling town. In Chinguetti, Mauritania, the desert is encroaching on an ancient mosque. In Antarctica , a hut once used by British explorer Captain Robert Falcon Scott has survived almost a century of freezing conditions but is now in danger of being engulfed by increasingly heavy snows." [AP]

Say Goodbye to Salmon Dinners. Get ready for a lot more chicken dinners: Wild pacific salmon have already vanished from 40 percent of their traditional habitats in the Northwest and the NRDC warns warmer temperatures are going to erase 41 percent of their habitat by 2090. [ENS]


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You missed the big one
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 29, 2007 1:41 AM   
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Hydrogen sulfide [H2S] gas, produced in the oceans
through sulfate decomposition by sulfur bacteria, can easily kill
both terrestrial and oceanic plants and animals. New evidence
indicates that the End-Permian and 1 or 2 other mass extinctions
were caused by H2S. If the oceans get warm enough, sulfur
bacteria take over. That happens when the CO2 concentration
gets to about 1000 parts per million. If we don't stop burning
coal, 1000 parts per million happens in about the year 2200 and
Homo Sapiens goes extinct.
See:
http://astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=News
&file=article&sid=2429&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00037A5D-
A938-150E-A93883414B7F0000&sc=I100322

http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/prPennStateKump.htm

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I have a Maple baseball bat
Posted by: Nugeman on Sep 29, 2007 5:21 AM   
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Works just as well as Ash wood bat. This whole article is nothing but spin.

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» Interesting point of view, Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Interesting point of view, Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Interesting point of view, Posted by: Basenjis
» TROLL ALERT!!! Posted by: Gisele
» Well, bully for you... Posted by: Suz
BETTER BATS BATTER BETTER !
Posted by: gazooks on Sep 29, 2007 6:46 AM   
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Go ahead, say it 20 times... then reread this wonderfully inspiring piece of catastrophic conjecture,...see,... it's not so bad anymore!

What would we do without a good dose of apocalyptic gloom over the weekend?

Think I'll go out with my dog and chase some squirrels.

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Wrong Sequence
Posted by: Gravitas on Sep 29, 2007 7:47 AM   
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This was a good article BUT IMO they should have started with the serious stuff. Some of the things they started out with, wine and Romanian hookers (or whatever) made the whole issue seem trival! Those dedicated enough to read it to the end probably already know about the droughts, famine and disease we are facing. Those who are in denial will just say, pretzels instead of bar nuts, big deal! Like it or not, (and I don't) we live in the age of PR where how you say something is more important than what you say!
"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there MIGHT still be time."

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» RE: Wrong Sequence Posted by: particle
» I disagree Posted by: YogiBear
Don't Worry. Be Happy.
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Sep 29, 2007 7:53 AM   
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Don't Worry. Be Happy.
We're all on a collision course with death, pristine planet or not.
I don't give a hoot what happens to humans but I am heartbroken what is happening to other species.
I imagine the fundies are doing everything possible to speed the demise of mama earth so their Jeeeeezus will come save them.
What a sick legacy we leave for future generations. Goddess help them.

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» RE: Don't Worry. Be Happy. Posted by: Peyotino
» RE: Don't Worry. Be Happy. Posted by: darkenergy
» RE: "Jeeeeezus" is offensive... Posted by: chugach3Dguy
» RE: Don't Worry. Be Happy. Posted by: Jordonquits
» RE: Don't Worry. Be Happy. Posted by: Jordonquits
Yeah, but what can I do? The most Inconvenient Truth not covered!
Posted by: ecofriendlynet on Sep 29, 2007 8:32 AM   
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Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. -- Tolstoy

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Cattle-rearing generates more global warming greenhouse gases, as measured in CO2 equivalent, than transportation...

“Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today’s most serious environmental problems,” senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) official Henning Steinfeld said. “Urgent action is required to remedy the situation.”


UN Summary Here at their site: http://tinyurl.com/y79tbv
the url was too long, so I used tinyurl.com to make it small

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One of the most inconvenient truths about our serious damage to the earth is our agricultural system. It's so inconvenient that it gets very, very little attention the media (alternative too).

Below this letter is a report from EarthSave.org, but first my favorite quotes from Time Magazine and Einstein:

"[T]he costs of mass-producing cattle, poultry, pigs, sheep and fish to feed our growing population…include hugely inefficient use of freshwater and land, heavy pollution from livestock feces, rising rates of heart disease and other degenerative illnesses, and spreading destruction of the forests on which much of our planet's life depends."
-- TIME Magazine. Visions of the 21st Century, "Will We Still Eat Meat?"

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
-- Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921

I encourage you to write about this Truth, however inconvenient. The healthiest diet on the planet happens to be the one that's healthiest for the planet. The diet that most people would choose if they really followed their hearts, rewards their biological hearts. It's interesting, isn't it?



EarthSave Report:
A New Global Warming Strategy:
How Environmentalists are Overlooking Vegetarianism as the Most Effective Tool Against Climate Change in Our Lifetimes by Noam Mohr

Summary
Global warming poses one of the most serious threats to the global environment ever faced in human history. Yet by focusing entirely on carbon dioxide emissions, major environmental organizations have failed to account for published data showing that other gases are the main culprits behind the global warming we see today. As a result, they are neglecting what might be the most effective strategy for reducing global warming in our lifetimes: advocating a vegetarian diet.

Recommendations
Organizations should consider making advocating vegetarianism a major part of their global warming campaigns. At a minimum, environmental advocates should mention vegetarianism in any information about actions individuals can take to address global warming.
Government policy should encourage vegetarian diets. Possible mechanisms include an environmental tax on meat similar to one already recommended on gasoline, a shift in farm subsidies to encourage plant agriculture over animal agriculture, or an increased emphasis on vegetarian foods in government-run programs like the school lunch program or food stamps.

Read more: http://www.EarthSave.org/

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» Read the report, it explains it Posted by: ecofriendlynet
» RE: Cattle Posted by: AsteroidMiner
» RE: Cattle Posted by: Suz
» Nuclear Power? Posted by: veggiegrrrl
the top 10 ways the death of america will change our lives
Posted by: marius002 on Sep 29, 2007 11:12 AM   
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The social security trust fund is empty. The Federal Reserve has inflated the value of the US dollar to the point now it has lost 90% of it's value. Who don't people focus on the serious side of things? The baby boomers will probably literally go crazy when they find out the government will stop sending out big wads of cash every month in the next few years.

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Some positive spin on climate change
Posted by: eddie torres on Sep 29, 2007 11:32 AM   
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1) Say Goodbye to Wine? Good riddance, grape snobs. Focus on The Prize: alcoholic beverages distilled from a perpetual supply of cockroach droppings.

2) Say Goodbye to Christmas Trees? If that means no more Christmas mornings with SUV loads of Wal-Mart plastic fantastic lead-tainted toys from China, then what's the hold up?

3) Say Hello to former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) building a year-round ski resort ("wet, white Astroturf with bristles") in Texas? Well, that's gotta be worth the price of the Republican Revolution.

4) Say Goodbye to Cool Cultural Landmarks? Ancient Inuit sites, historic whaling towns, ancient mosques, and Scott's Antarctic hut are in danger, but rising sea levels are certain to erase most of Florida. Good riddance, Jeb.

5) Say Goodbye to Sharks That Can Walk? Say hello to legions of drunken Australian fisherman who can now drive home safely without being eaten by a land shark.

6) Say Goodbye to Your Pretty Lawn / Say Hello To Super-Dandelions? Well, say hello to Super-Dandelion Wine. Mixes well with alcohol distilled from cockroach droppings (see #1).

7) Say Hello to Poison Ivy? Since the primary ingredients in calamine lotion are oxidized zinc and iron rust, and since US infrastructure is literally crumbling under its citizens' obscenely heavy SUVs, America is poised to become a global calamine lotion powerhouse.

8) Farewell to the Arctic Fox / Hello Red Fox? The Red Fox is spreading into former Arctic Fox territory; maybe the IRS will finally get all the back taxes and fines owed by the star of "Sanford & Son." It may be enough to pay off China.

9) Say Hello To Increased Giant Squid And Jellyfish Attacks? Say hello to "Giant Ika" sushi and Smucker's "Jellyfish Jam." Goes well with a slice of Soylent Green.

10) Say Hello To Homeless Sheep, Goats, Bears, Deer, Marsh Rabbits, And Cats? Say hello to a cure for hunger among homeless Americans. Just move those animals into Central Park and Golden Gate Park and let tribal hunting clans take over.

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» thanks for brightening my day! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Bulgarian "hookers"?
Posted by: madaha on Sep 29, 2007 11:59 AM   
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That's not funny, and rather dehumanizing.

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» RE: Bulgarian "hookers"? Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Bulgarian "hookers"? Posted by: Peyotino
» i've seen your family members Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
More stuff on the destructive nature of animal agriculture, particulary Factory Farming.
Posted by: ecofriendlynet on Sep 29, 2007 12:27 PM   
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Besides global warming, the massive amounts of pollution from factory farming can be learned here:

Giant livestock farms, which can house hundreds of thousands of pigs, chickens, or cows, produce vast amounts of waste -- often generating the waste equivalent of a small city. While a problem of this nature -- and scale -- sounds almost comical, pollution from livestock farms seriously threatens humans, fish and ecosystems. -- NRDC

Source: http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/ffarms.asp
Natural Resources Defense Council


Dioxins have been characterized by EPA as likely to be human carcinogens and are anticipated to increase the risk of cancer at background levels of exposure.

Most of us receive almost all of our dioxin exposure from the food we eat: specifically from the animal fats associated with eating beef, pork, poultry, fish, milk, dairy products. -- U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Source: http://www.epa.gov/pbt/pubs/dioxins.htm
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

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Can't get enough oil..
Posted by: Peyotino on Sep 29, 2007 2:10 PM   
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I don't see how we could even stop this pending train wreck. Say the entire industrialized world stopped using oil tomorrow, wouldn't that lower the cost of oil, enabling small un-developed countries to begin massive industrialization just to try to catch up? Not to mention that we, ourselves, would contribute to this new growth and polution by buying their very cheap products?
Seems to me like we're destined to use every single last drop of fuel, wood included, till we force ourselves underground and live like troglodytes.
If anything is to be done to attempt to avert an ecological disaster, it must happen on a global scale.
After all, we all breathe the same air.

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» RE: Can't get enough oil.. Posted by: antoniomo
Bunk
Posted by: david_m_silverman on Sep 29, 2007 2:25 PM   
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There is absolutely not a single shred of evidence that humans have had even the slightest effect on the temperatures on the planet. Temperatures have ALWAYS fluctuated and there have been long periods of cooling and long periods of warming over thousands of years, even long before there were any humans engaged in industry of any kind.

Blaming man's increased production of carbon dioxide is ridiculous as we produce only about 4% of the gaseous carbon dioxide on Earth. As a matter of fact, carbon dioxide's effect on global temperatures is essentially zero anyway.

If you want to see a solid mathematical and scientific analysis please go to http://junkscience.com/Greenhouse/index.html

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» RE: Bunk yourself Posted by: AsteroidMiner
» RE: Bunk Posted by: particle
» The Fox in the Junkhouse Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Bunk Posted by: american
» RE: Bunk Posted by: mizzmoze
» RE: Bunk Posted by: salmagundi
Another doom and gloom BULLSHIT article.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 29, 2007 3:03 PM   
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All these fancies the author is sooooo worried about disappearing are hardly looked at by most folks outside the west coast and the Northeast. Rural CA could care less about the various wines that will disappear especially since most folks there probably couldn't afford them anyway.

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Necessary losses
Posted by: swarms909 on Sep 29, 2007 3:16 PM   
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I read the whole list, and I still think it is a small price to pay for the success of American big businesses. It is important that big business is successful or else we'll end up in another depression. It's promising to see that the Northwest Passage is opening up for commercial use. That should help businesses' profit margins. If there's one thing I've learned from evolution, it is that things will adapt.

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» RE: Necessary losses Posted by: Suz
» Adapt, being the key word... Posted by: american
» RE: adapt Posted by: AsteroidMiner
» I hope ... Posted by: Bbear41
» RE: Necessary losses Posted by: Sushi
more poison ivy?
Posted by: moontime on Sep 29, 2007 3:35 PM   
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Wow what incredible spin! Not only will poison ivy be "thicker and lusher", so will pretty much every other plant.
Plants *NEED* CO2!!! They take it in and make oxygen for us.
Global Warming is real, but it is not caused by CO2.
i recommend everyone watch "Global Warming or Global Governance" to find out why you've been told the lie about CO2.

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» RE: more poison ivy? Posted by: particle
» RE: more poison ivy? Posted by: Suz
How come nobody cares about...
Posted by: moontime on Sep 29, 2007 3:40 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How come nobody cares about nuclear waste or the fact that we are all breathing depleted uranium? I guess some politician will have to make a movie about that before anyone will hop on that bandwagon.

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Everyone is going to die!!!!
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Sep 29, 2007 4:41 PM   
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After careful research, I have found that the articles's authors and everyone who read the article is going to DIE !!!

This death will occur regardless of whether the earth gets warmer or not!! Whether CO2 concentrations are 60ppm or 1000ppm, everyone is going to die!!!

After reading this hysterical nonsense, it makes one wonder: Since the earth's climate has historically been much warmer than it is today, how is it that this poor "planet" has survived? My guess, is the normal humans (and most organisms) figure out how to adapt. Hysterical eco-nuts, however, apparently cannot survive any kind of changes whatsoever.

Me, I am going to move to the new sunny tropical paradise in Antartica and start my own country.

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» How ironic... Posted by: Suz
» Typical Posted by: katz22br
» TRUTH:everyone is going to die!!!! Posted by: veggiegrrrl
Inflammatory Conjecture
Posted by: troutlily on Sep 29, 2007 6:19 PM   
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". Lobsters thrive in the chilly waters of New England, but recent numbers show that as those waters have warmed up, "the big-clawed American lobster -- prized for its delicate, sweet flesh -- has been withering at an alarming rate from New York state to Massachusetts." [Bangor Times]"

I find it hard to take an article seriously when its authors can't even site sources correctly. There isn't a Bangor Times in Maine.

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A lot of this would happen without climate change
Posted by: dayahka on Sep 29, 2007 6:57 PM   
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First, let's be clear: There is ongoing climate change; whether or not this is trending to global cooling or warming is an open question. Second, most of the changes mentioned could happen even if climate were stable. Third, you somehow mean to suggest that climate change is "bad" because it upsets the current normalcy of the rich economies--but there is no normalcy in the climate, only temporary stability. So, we give up French wines? So what? Maybe better wines will appear, maybe we'll get used to different wines from different areas. Is there something written in the heavens that says we MUST have French wines, else life isn't worth living? Fourth, beyond a litany of possible changes (by no means complete), what's the point of this article?

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It's not just climate change, it's sustainability
Posted by: minmotstand on Sep 29, 2007 8:00 PM   
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Unsustainable habits are the real cause of climate change and all these other environmental crises.

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If you're going to describe a problem, describe the solution.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 29, 2007 9:45 PM   
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Great. Another "doom is coming" catastrophe article on global warming that doesn't bother to mention the source of the problem (burning fossil fuels and deforestation, in that order) or the primary solution:

Fossil-fuel free renewable energy and the end of the gross overconsumption lifestyle. That means solar, wind, better electricity grids and storage systems, fossil-fuel free organic agriculture, and perhaps some biofuels on the side, with tidal, geothermal, and already-existing nuclear capacity to assist. It's all doable, but 'environmentalists' continue to run around like chickens with their heads cut off, screaming 'the end is nigh!".

That does noone any good. Cut it out and focus on the solutions - everyone already knows what the problem is.

However, the same interests that control fossil fuel and automobile corporations also control almost all of the corporate media, so it's no surprise that the solutions are almost never mentioned.

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baseball's demise... whew!
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 30, 2007 12:08 AM   
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Say goodbye to baseball? Goodbye. I'm a futbol fan, we'll live forever.

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Climate change is just part of a larger problem:
Posted by: leerhok on Sep 30, 2007 4:26 AM   
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The present economic system based on unlimited growth = unlimited consumption + unlimited pollution on a planet limited in size.
It's OK that man commits suicide and becomes extinct. It's anything but OK to kill off all other living beings on earth as part of that suicide. Suicide you commit the decent way by means of a bullet or some rope, you don't blow up the plane you're on board or poison your city's drinking water.

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is this from an american center of progress?????
Posted by: richholland on Sep 30, 2007 4:27 AM   
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ha, ha , ha , ha I understand why Bush stays inPower.

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When I was a boy ducks would fly by the thousands in their V formations
Posted by: american on Sep 30, 2007 7:26 AM   
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Now, over my home in the same region of the country, there are far, far more jets in the air than ducks, even during migration season. In fact, this fall I have not seen a single duck or goose, although I have heard some geese honking. The number of jets flying over and about where I live, however, is anywhere from 750 to 1250 per day and I live 30 miles from a major airport and 10 miles from a regional one. Last year I saw not more than 750 ducks in the entire migration season. Said again, the number of jets in a single day cleanly exceeds the number of ducks in an entire season!

Speaking of the jet noise alone: it is a constant one that everyone where I live "must" deal with. The rumbles come in to our sonic sphere and hang in the atmosphere for a few minutes at a time. The sound is very close to being continuous and I imagine in a few years it will be. Spent gasses, chemicals and metals surely cascade down like snowflakes in some old-fashioned Christmas scene paperweight. The noise is more constant than the hum of my refrigerator. Jet noise continuously: Interesting that no one asked us how we felt about the option.

Jets will intractably push out what they will push out because they are not going to make adjustments to any ecosystem feedback loop, whether it is human unease at the continuous noise or the ability of, say, otters to communicate. Unfortunately for all life, it sounds like the gates of Hades cracking open. It is not something random but something that is constant and which occurs specifically with the clock. Seven after four in the morning: jet rumble for three or four minutes. Quarter after: jet rumble for three or four minutes. Twenty after: jet rumble for three or four minutes...and on and on throughout the days every day of every year of every decade of life. We evolved over millions or hundreds of years, depending on your religious leanings, listening to the breeze singing through the branches, insects humming, fires crackling, and water falling.

As well, the noise of roaring engines and screaming rubber emanates from highways choked with SUV's and tractor trailers (that bring food in the US an average distance of 1,500 miles, perhaps more now that many food processing and distribution companies are exporting food--America's last comparative advantage--from China--yes, China). Highways are a permanent part of the continental landscape, spewing a constant miasma of toxic gasses in to the air 24-7 across the decades.

This is not like in the commercials where a lone jet is shown banking into the sunset or a sole car winding through a forested road. The reality is the jets are a permanent train of sight and noise pollution in the sky. The reality is that highways eight lanes wide are choked with cars up, down, and across the continents. They are permanent, continuous features of the environment, like some Hawaiian volcano or waves on the sand. It is an utter illusion to think that this is not having profound, heavy hitting impacts on the natural world. It is also an utter illusion "that nothing can be done."

Ask yourself this: when is the last time you saw a turtle, an eagle, a duck, or a trout?

Think about it.

When people tell you things are going to turn out okay with our environment without some sort of radial change on the part of civilization, then they are lying. They are lying. It is not expedient to consider whether they are just lying to themselves or just to you; for practical purposes it doesn't matter. Neither ignorance nor foolishness can be tolerated as we--no cliché here--are on the brink of global environmental calamity. Do the most well off of us count our luxuries so valuable that they are willing to blithely let the great miracle of nature on this lonely globe of ours die like a candle in the night?

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» You're joking, right? Posted by: katz22br
from a farmer in Nebraska
Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 30, 2007 8:59 AM   
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I am skeptical of taking something as unpredictable as the weather, and using it to make dire apocolyptic conclusions. And especially using those conclusions to support an agenda calling for some drastic economic and social changes.

It is difficult to predict with any accuracy what the weather will be like next week, let alone 90 years from now.

I have been farming 50 years in Nebraska. I am probably more attuned to the weather than most people. All I can say is that the one conclusion I have about the weather is that it is unpredictable, it is seldom "normal". We have dry years and then wet years and then wet cold years and dry cold years. I have seen frost in June and 80 degree weather in January. In 1966 on a September day we had a heat advisory for eastern Nebraska, and a winter storm watch for western Nebraska.

We had the coldest winter ever recorded immediately followed by the hottest driest summer ever recorded, and this was back in 1936.

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» RE: from a farmer in Nebraska Posted by: particle
» RE: from a farmer in Nebraska Posted by: AsteroidMiner
Since there will always be some who will take advantage...
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 30, 2007 9:05 AM   
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...does that not mean that those who work to preserve the Earth then just leave more opportunity for others to exploit it?

It's the same at the local level, and consequently we have rule of law. Safe drivers leave room on the highways for speeders to recklessly zoom around--until the highway patrol spots them.

Where is the Earth's highway patrol to punish those who despoil the planet? That requires the development of an effective world government. So it's no surprise that Bush got elected by making world government into a boogeyman. Americans bought the idea that we must fear world government.

It will take catastrophe to overcome such irrationality.

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Hucksters on both sides of the aisle
Posted by: lynnwalker on Sep 30, 2007 12:09 PM   
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Being environmentally conscientious is a mandate, especially for the most consumer oriented peoples on the planet. But people also need to be aware that the global warming issue is just as much of a corporate/political play for your money as the war on terror.

If you truly believe in saving the planet, go vegetarian. Even better, become a humble devotee of the Supreme Lord (not to be confused with the false god of the "Christians"). The Lord provides for His devotees, nothing else need be done but serve Him in all sincerity.

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» Haribol! Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: Vegetarian is NOT enough Posted by: MamaHabu
peak oil then peak coal lucky if we have 50 more years of fossil fuels
Posted by: Missing Piece on Sep 30, 2007 4:37 PM   
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We are less than five years away from peak oil, and then we will ramp up coal gasification. This will really add carbon to the atmosphere.

Good luck, get out of debt, build an earth home off the grid

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