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World's Water Supply at Risk
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Maude Barlow is possibly the world's leading expert on water struggles. She is the national chairperson of the Council of Canadians, that country's largest citizen's advocacy group, with members and chapters across Canada. She is a director with the International Forum on Globalization, a San Francisco research and education institution opposed to corporate globalization. In 2005, she received the prestigious "Right Livelihood Award," given by the Swedish Parliament and widely referred to as "The Alternative Nobel." She has received honorary doctorates from six universities and has authored or co-authored 15 books, including Too Close For Comfort: Canada's Future Within Fortress North America; and Blue Gold: The Fight to Stop Corporate Theft of the World's Water (with Tony Clarke). Her most recent book is Blue Covenant: The Global Water Crisis and the Fight for the Right to Water.
Q: What are the greatest threats to local water supplies?
Maude Barlow: First of all, we are creating an ecological crisis by not taking care of our water supplies. Surface waters are being polluted, and we are mining our groundwater at unsustainable rates. At the very time when corporations are privatizing everything, our governments are allowing corporations to move in and take over the ownership of essential resources like water.
So we have a double whammy: Our governments are allowing corporations to pollute our water, and then they are signing contracts with corporations to bring in clean-up technology and make billions of dollars cleaning it up. The very sector of society that is polluting our water is turning around and selling our water back to us. And this is going to be more and more of an issue in the future. We'll be increasingly drinking water that has been polluted by corporations, then cleaned up by corporations, then bottled and sold to us by corporations.
Q: What are some success stories of people protecting their water?
MB: The people of Uruguay held a plebiscite and got enough votes for a referendum in the national election in October 2004 in which they called for a constitutional amendment saying that water is a human right, and they won. The government was forced to change its constitution, and Uruguay became the first country in the world to vote on whether people have a human right to water, and the private companies were forced out.
There have been quite a few successful fight-backs across North America. The city of Atlanta allowed a private company to come in to run its water system, and the city kicked them out two and a half years into a 20-year contract. They said, "Get out. You lied. The water coming out of the taps is brown, and you raised the price. Get out." We kept private water companies from taking over the water systems in Toronto and Vancouver. There's a big movement in the heart of France, led by Danielle Mitterand, the widow of the former French president, Francois Mitterand. She is leading this fight to bring water under public control, and many city mayors of some good-sized towns and cities -- not yet Paris -- are backing her. So even in the belly of the beast, there are some exciting movements.
Q: What about the struggle against Coca-Cola in India?
MB: When you dig deep into Coca-Cola's practices, you see it's really a bad company. They are using military satellite imagery to find clean sources of groundwater and then going in -- often in poor tribal communities -- and setting up a plant and just helping themselves to the water until the water is gone. I call it water mining. We're working with folks in the state of Kerala, India, who have taken the Coca-Cola company all the way to their Supreme Court to fight the way Coke comes in and sucks up massive amounts of groundwater, pollutes it with sweeteners and chemical additives, and then makes huge profits selling this nonnutritious drink to the public. The Supreme Court of India has ruled largely in the people's favor. Yet Coke is still fighting; they refuse to give up. But these grassroots activists don't give up, either. It's been a real successful fight-back against Coca-Cola.
Q: Does it seem to you that the United States and Canada are more, or less, water-conscious than people in other nations?
MB: Individually, we are terrible water-guzzlers. We use a great deal of water per capita through our industrial practices, agriculture, mining, and, in my country, through oil extraction from tar sands. We take a little better care of our groundwater than many Third World countries because we citizens have a little more control; the corporations tend to be from our countries, and we can exert greater influence on them. There is serious pollution -- I'm not suggesting there isn't -- but we don't see the kind of blatant pollution you see in many poor countries. In some countries, the water is foul due to the combination of absolutely no sanitation systems, people using river systems as toilets, to bathe in, to cook in, their garbage dumps, their sewage dumps, everything goes into those open waterways where there's no purification or any kind of water reclamation. As industrial growth and the industrial model moves into the Third World, it's bringing massive pollution.
Also, people are being driven off the land. They are moving into urban slums where there's no water, and they create more of a problem because they are adding to the numbers in the cities that are not treating their sewage. About 90 percent of the sewage in the countries of the global south goes untreated back into waterways, rivers, and oceans. It's a cyclical problem that intensifies as we move from rural sustainable living to urban unsustainable living.
We're creating massive water pollution problems. It's lower in the U.S. and Canada because we've got more money for clean-up and slightly better laws for industry. But water pollution is happening just about everywhere. The only societies where water is still treated sacredly are in ancient tribal societies. Many rural communities in India, China, Africa, and Latin America are still living the way that their ancestors did centuries ago; they aren't creating significant levels of pollution.
Q: Who's using the bulk of the water here in North America?
MB: Most of the water is used by industry and agribusiness, which is also an industry. The industrial food production system uses nitrates, chemical fertilizers, and pesticides, which contaminate a lot of water. Intensive livestock operations create horrible pollution. So one of the most important things we can do is to create a more sustainable agricultural system.
Q: Are there any really tough issues that the movement needs to face that you feel we're not confronting adequately?
MB: That's the part of my new book that surprised me the most: the technological takeover of our planet's water system. We have been following very closely the big utility companies like Suez and Vivendi, who run water systems on a for-profit basis. And we have been following the bottled water companies, and those have been the kind of two big ones.
And then we have been worried about major movement of water through pipelines, but we have not been keeping our eye on the whole issue of technology to clean up dirty water, whether that's desalination, water purification, nanotechnology purification. It's going to be the "great white hope," and it's all unregulated and very corporate controlled, and it doesn't surprise me that when you look at the United Nations' millennium development goals on water, nobody is talking about cleaning up polluted water. Because, hey, there's gold in those hills. The more our water becomes polluted, the more precious it becomes. The more desperate people are, the more they will pay for their water, and the more money there is to be made from cleaning it up.
The fastest-growing sector of the private water industry is this high technology water clean-up section of this industry, and we must get a better handle on the whole thing. I think that what we are seeing is a cartel of water that is being created like the cartel that has been created for energy. For a long time now, when there was a find of a new field of oil or gas, some large corporation owned it even before it was out of the ground. I see them doing this now with water, and I call them water hunters. These water hunters move in with one goal: to monopolize control over a precious resource in order to make money.
Q: Are you noticing a greater receptivity to your message about the coming water crisis?
MB: Most definitely. I was in down in Lubbock, Texas, on a local radio station, and this guy called in and said, "I'm a right-wing, diehard, Republican, red meat, conservative businessman. And I think the little lady's right. Water is different. You can't have anyone monopolize it." It was fascinating; he totally had my argument. We didn't agree on anything else, but we agreed on the importance of retaining public control over this vital resource. So that is hopeful.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 26, 2007 12:37 AM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 26, 2007 1:07 AM
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2- Start treating water like the precious gift that it is. Waste not- want not.
3- Get involved locally to protect the the lands that recharge your aquifer from development. This is a widespread problem.
4- Get involved and oppose any privatization of municipal water systems. A small cabal of companies are buying up public water systems and are making a grand mess of things for profit.
There is a way to live with the earth as a part of nature rather than act like you can live apart from it.
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Posted by: PJAW on Sep 26, 2007 4:55 AM
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I live in the Great Lakes basin, world's largest accumulation of fresh water, but there's no security in that fact. The argument is still about how much pollution to allow and we're a long way from halting it altogether. Of course with human ineptitude a play, maybe it will become a moot point anyway. Seems we've managed to mess with the outflow to the point where levels in the upper basin (Superior, Michigan and Huron) are dropping to historic lows, and may contiune. Nice.
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Posted by: DrSuess on Sep 26, 2007 6:58 AM
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They have the most minimal customer service. If you have a problem with any complexity- their customer service cannot handle it. What steams me is that Indy Water thinks I bounced some checks- and charged me a bounced check fee (14.50) and then tacked on double my bill as an additional fine ($90 went to $180). However I did not bounce any checks- and I am finding that they have no customer service center in Indianapolis that I can resolve this problem with. I am now trying to get through their non existent customer service center to get this matter resolved. I may wind up taking them to small claims court to force the issue.
So here we have a MONOPOLY industry- I have no choice to use them- and they cannot even be bothered to have a customer service center in town.
They have a CEO who earns millions- and increases his paycheck by screwing his customers. I used to be a fan of American business. But all I can say is that American business has lost its emphasis on serving the customer. Heavens knows where their accounting and service people are- probably somewhere in India.
Taking monopoly services private is a marginal situation at best. It is horrible when companies think that customers service is "quaint"- and an unnecessary impediment to their CEO's next million dollar pay raise.
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Posted by: lamar on Sep 26, 2007 7:41 AM
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The point is that this is about competence vs. incompetence, not foreign vs. local.
Further, Barlowe completely fails to address any of the small and midsized towns that don't have the resources to operate a water system. Why not look at Charlotte County Florida, where the County Utility is so far in debt it can hardly keep up with environmental mandates.
Here's another example of making up your mind before you know the facts: Barlowe says, "...Uruguay became the first country in the world to vote on whether people have a human right to water, and the private companies were forced out. There have been quite a few successful fight-backs across North America."
This happened in 2004, a mere nanosecond in the lifeline of a water system, yet there Maude goes declaring it a success.
Cynthia Barnett wrote a decent book on the water problem called Mirage. She's not a crazy ideologue like Barlowe is. She doesn't shill for any corporations, and has similar disdain for bottled water. And she's a reporter, not a hired gun from a research group dedicated to making up their mind before they know the facts.
Heck, I support private water yet I can't understand why we waste so much on bottled water.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 26, 2007 9:53 AM
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All that's left are the basic necessities - water, energy, food, shelter and air. Control the water, and people will have to come to you to buy it. If you own the only well in the village, you can make people pay and pay and pay.
Of course, you'll need some security guards to make sure that noone 'steals your water' - or burns your house down, but you can pay them in water as well.
Look at the Bolivian-Bechtel model - it failed there, and now Bechtel and friends are trying to export it to the United States!
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Posted by: Knobby on Sep 26, 2007 4:23 PM
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Read: THIRST- Fighting the corporate theft of our water by Alan Snitow & Deborah Kaufman...
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Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 26, 2007 6:06 PM
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The sad point here is the same for every aspiring parent. Hormones are overriding intelligence. The compulsion to breed overrides true survival wisdom. The biological mechanism most people are running on does not come to the forefront of their consciousness to allow them to be aware of the dire consequences they are bequeathing upon their off-spring or the rest of humanity for that point.
Politicians are being afraid to rub Christians the wrong way. You know, the old "be fruitful and multiply" thing, for fear it'll be detrimental to their votes, both Reps. and Demos.
It is a fact that the consumption of resources of all kinds, not just water, is exceeding the "real" need, (except for trash consumer manufactured products and unnecessary by-products) and not being able to provide enough "manpower" to acquire or distribute the resources relative to the demand. Sounds like basic economics, eh?
Remember, " Mother nature bats last!"
It's estimated the Population of Californian is to increase by 20 Million by 2040.
and the United States is to increase to 400 million by 2040.
Do you think they'll all fit in the Grand Canyon, or where?
Now simple logic tells me with oil vaporizing daily by the increase of consumption as it is, we can't even keep pace with demand now. We are over the hump of peak oil production. The housing consumption has been cut off by economic manipulation, less people can afford homes, more people are immigrating are simply piling more into less housing. Prisons are overwhelmed (more prisoners in less space. It's the same syndrome).
The writing is on the wall. The government does know the problem but really can't do anything to curtail it.
Humanity is simply "amusing it's self to death" (Credit to Roger Waters*). The waste of resources is built into this failed economic model that the republicans are adamant in maintaining for the status quo.
The Home owners, that are quietly sitting on the laurels, are so "* Comfortably Numb" they are paralyzed and scared to voice their paranoia.
( Have you ever seen, I have, the incredible magnitudes of Chinese shipping containers being trained across our country every single day 24/7 and wondered , "how much inneccessary shit is coming into the US that is absolutely a bunch of impulsive pile of wasted man made garbage? Where in the hell do we put it? The US is buying it way to it's own demise.)
Anyway you cut the cards, Population is the problem. and it is dovetailed by the economic model of capitalism that is burring world in quagmire of an irreconcilable solution.
That is unless a hard decision is made to make the people of the world realize every single human being must Live Small now. Then to hell with capitalism.
This is coming down to raw survival tactics.
The only way to stop it is STOP PARTICIPATING.
Stop Feeding the Machine.
Stop your wastful living. Get Small, live simply,
Be happy!
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Sep 26, 2007 6:17 PM
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This is definately an issue but lets get our priorities in line. Peak oil should be at the top, we have a chance to finally start a renewable sustainable way of life but we are all missing the boat. We could easily drive electric cars and then use that large battery to store our solar and wind, and when were not driving it could power our home. Granted, we would live much more modestly, but we would be able to tackle global warming by doing this.
Many of the problems we have today can be blamed on cheap oil and that is all about to change. The problem is do we do nothing so that when the tap does run dry we beg government and corporations to save us or do we take action now.
Listen, when oil is at 200.00 dollars a barrel and it will be very soon, you will understand what your real problem is. Water falls from the sky, oil does not.
Good Luck, get out of debt, build an earth home off the grid, buy silver coins.
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Posted by: ecofriendlynet on Sep 29, 2007 12:35 PM
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Giant livestock farms, which can house hundreds of thousands of pigs, chickens, or cows, produce vast amounts of waste -- often generating the waste equivalent of a small city. While a problem of this nature -- and scale -- sounds almost comical, pollution from livestock farms seriously threatens humans, fish and ecosystems. -- NRDC
Source: http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/ffarms.asp
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Dioxins have been characterized by EPA as likely to be human carcinogens and are anticipated to increase the risk of cancer at background levels of exposure.
Most of us receive almost all of our dioxin exposure from the food we eat: specifically from the animal fats associated with eating beef, pork, poultry, fish, milk, dairy products. -- U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 29, 2007 1:31 PM
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30-40 years ago, in home water purification was almost unheard of on the west coast and the water was excellent. Today most homes have bottled water either delivered for drinking or have an in house water softener and UVL because the water that comes from the tap this day is so contaminated that people DO get sick simply by taking a bath and/or shower.
What the hell happened in just 40 short years that has so contaminated our drinking water supply and how do we get back what we once had in abundance?
If the major contributing factor to poor health and environmental contamination is through the water table then why not charge a fee for the industrial use of this vital supply, after all its as much mine as it is the locale industries and agribusiness!
People already pay this fee through property taxes etc, and so does industry but as industry seems intent on commercializing this basic right, is it not in the interest of every person worldwide to charge a royalty for the mining and consumption of this resource, with all proceeds going to purification for domestic and mother-natures use?
I'm just thinking of this because of the heavy demand the oil industry is putting on water supplies in the tar sands development... so much water is used and the huge contamination ponds need to be addressed now...
Huge problem, little discussion... thanx for bringing this to our attention
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» It's already in the works here in California
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» Get ready for Prozac!
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 26, 2007 1:07 AM
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2- Start treating water like the precious gift that it is. Waste not- want not.
3- Get involved locally to protect the the lands that recharge your aquifer from development. This is a widespread problem.
4- Get involved and oppose any privatization of municipal water systems. A small cabal of companies are buying up public water systems and are making a grand mess of things for profit.
There is a way to live with the earth as a part of nature rather than act like you can live apart from it.
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Posted by: PJAW on Sep 26, 2007 4:55 AM
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I live in the Great Lakes basin, world's largest accumulation of fresh water, but there's no security in that fact. The argument is still about how much pollution to allow and we're a long way from halting it altogether. Of course with human ineptitude a play, maybe it will become a moot point anyway. Seems we've managed to mess with the outflow to the point where levels in the upper basin (Superior, Michigan and Huron) are dropping to historic lows, and may contiune. Nice.
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Posted by: DrSuess on Sep 26, 2007 6:58 AM
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They have the most minimal customer service. If you have a problem with any complexity- their customer service cannot handle it. What steams me is that Indy Water thinks I bounced some checks- and charged me a bounced check fee (14.50) and then tacked on double my bill as an additional fine ($90 went to $180). However I did not bounce any checks- and I am finding that they have no customer service center in Indianapolis that I can resolve this problem with. I am now trying to get through their non existent customer service center to get this matter resolved. I may wind up taking them to small claims court to force the issue.
So here we have a MONOPOLY industry- I have no choice to use them- and they cannot even be bothered to have a customer service center in town.
They have a CEO who earns millions- and increases his paycheck by screwing his customers. I used to be a fan of American business. But all I can say is that American business has lost its emphasis on serving the customer. Heavens knows where their accounting and service people are- probably somewhere in India.
Taking monopoly services private is a marginal situation at best. It is horrible when companies think that customers service is "quaint"- and an unnecessary impediment to their CEO's next million dollar pay raise.
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Posted by: lamar on Sep 26, 2007 7:41 AM
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The point is that this is about competence vs. incompetence, not foreign vs. local.
Further, Barlowe completely fails to address any of the small and midsized towns that don't have the resources to operate a water system. Why not look at Charlotte County Florida, where the County Utility is so far in debt it can hardly keep up with environmental mandates.
Here's another example of making up your mind before you know the facts: Barlowe says, "...Uruguay became the first country in the world to vote on whether people have a human right to water, and the private companies were forced out. There have been quite a few successful fight-backs across North America."
This happened in 2004, a mere nanosecond in the lifeline of a water system, yet there Maude goes declaring it a success.
Cynthia Barnett wrote a decent book on the water problem called Mirage. She's not a crazy ideologue like Barlowe is. She doesn't shill for any corporations, and has similar disdain for bottled water. And she's a reporter, not a hired gun from a research group dedicated to making up their mind before they know the facts.
Heck, I support private water yet I can't understand why we waste so much on bottled water.
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» When you remove the hope of profit, the greed just shifts over to corruption.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 26, 2007 9:53 AM
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All that's left are the basic necessities - water, energy, food, shelter and air. Control the water, and people will have to come to you to buy it. If you own the only well in the village, you can make people pay and pay and pay.
Of course, you'll need some security guards to make sure that noone 'steals your water' - or burns your house down, but you can pay them in water as well.
Look at the Bolivian-Bechtel model - it failed there, and now Bechtel and friends are trying to export it to the United States!
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» Yes - the water business is rotten and relies heavily on corrupt local politicians for contracts!
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Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Sep 26, 2007 10:53 AM
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Posted by: Knobby on Sep 26, 2007 4:23 PM
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Read: THIRST- Fighting the corporate theft of our water by Alan Snitow & Deborah Kaufman...
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Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 26, 2007 6:06 PM
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The sad point here is the same for every aspiring parent. Hormones are overriding intelligence. The compulsion to breed overrides true survival wisdom. The biological mechanism most people are running on does not come to the forefront of their consciousness to allow them to be aware of the dire consequences they are bequeathing upon their off-spring or the rest of humanity for that point.
Politicians are being afraid to rub Christians the wrong way. You know, the old "be fruitful and multiply" thing, for fear it'll be detrimental to their votes, both Reps. and Demos.
It is a fact that the consumption of resources of all kinds, not just water, is exceeding the "real" need, (except for trash consumer manufactured products and unnecessary by-products) and not being able to provide enough "manpower" to acquire or distribute the resources relative to the demand. Sounds like basic economics, eh?
Remember, " Mother nature bats last!"
It's estimated the Population of Californian is to increase by 20 Million by 2040.
and the United States is to increase to 400 million by 2040.
Do you think they'll all fit in the Grand Canyon, or where?
Now simple logic tells me with oil vaporizing daily by the increase of consumption as it is, we can't even keep pace with demand now. We are over the hump of peak oil production. The housing consumption has been cut off by economic manipulation, less people can afford homes, more people are immigrating are simply piling more into less housing. Prisons are overwhelmed (more prisoners in less space. It's the same syndrome).
The writing is on the wall. The government does know the problem but really can't do anything to curtail it.
Humanity is simply "amusing it's self to death" (Credit to Roger Waters*). The waste of resources is built into this failed economic model that the republicans are adamant in maintaining for the status quo.
The Home owners, that are quietly sitting on the laurels, are so "* Comfortably Numb" they are paralyzed and scared to voice their paranoia.
( Have you ever seen, I have, the incredible magnitudes of Chinese shipping containers being trained across our country every single day 24/7 and wondered , "how much inneccessary shit is coming into the US that is absolutely a bunch of impulsive pile of wasted man made garbage? Where in the hell do we put it? The US is buying it way to it's own demise.)
Anyway you cut the cards, Population is the problem. and it is dovetailed by the economic model of capitalism that is burring world in quagmire of an irreconcilable solution.
That is unless a hard decision is made to make the people of the world realize every single human being must Live Small now. Then to hell with capitalism.
This is coming down to raw survival tactics.
The only way to stop it is STOP PARTICIPATING.
Stop Feeding the Machine.
Stop your wastful living. Get Small, live simply,
Be happy!
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Sep 26, 2007 6:17 PM
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This is definately an issue but lets get our priorities in line. Peak oil should be at the top, we have a chance to finally start a renewable sustainable way of life but we are all missing the boat. We could easily drive electric cars and then use that large battery to store our solar and wind, and when were not driving it could power our home. Granted, we would live much more modestly, but we would be able to tackle global warming by doing this.
Many of the problems we have today can be blamed on cheap oil and that is all about to change. The problem is do we do nothing so that when the tap does run dry we beg government and corporations to save us or do we take action now.
Listen, when oil is at 200.00 dollars a barrel and it will be very soon, you will understand what your real problem is. Water falls from the sky, oil does not.
Good Luck, get out of debt, build an earth home off the grid, buy silver coins.
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Posted by: ecofriendlynet on Sep 29, 2007 12:35 PM
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Giant livestock farms, which can house hundreds of thousands of pigs, chickens, or cows, produce vast amounts of waste -- often generating the waste equivalent of a small city. While a problem of this nature -- and scale -- sounds almost comical, pollution from livestock farms seriously threatens humans, fish and ecosystems. -- NRDC
Source: http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/ffarms.asp
Natural Resources Defense Council
Dioxins have been characterized by EPA as likely to be human carcinogens and are anticipated to increase the risk of cancer at background levels of exposure.
Most of us receive almost all of our dioxin exposure from the food we eat: specifically from the animal fats associated with eating beef, pork, poultry, fish, milk, dairy products. -- U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Source: http://www.epa.gov/pbt/pubs/dioxins.htm
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 29, 2007 1:31 PM
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30-40 years ago, in home water purification was almost unheard of on the west coast and the water was excellent. Today most homes have bottled water either delivered for drinking or have an in house water softener and UVL because the water that comes from the tap this day is so contaminated that people DO get sick simply by taking a bath and/or shower.
What the hell happened in just 40 short years that has so contaminated our drinking water supply and how do we get back what we once had in abundance?
If the major contributing factor to poor health and environmental contamination is through the water table then why not charge a fee for the industrial use of this vital supply, after all its as much mine as it is the locale industries and agribusiness!
People already pay this fee through property taxes etc, and so does industry but as industry seems intent on commercializing this basic right, is it not in the interest of every person worldwide to charge a royalty for the mining and consumption of this resource, with all proceeds going to purification for domestic and mother-natures use?
I'm just thinking of this because of the heavy demand the oil industry is putting on water supplies in the tar sands development... so much water is used and the huge contamination ponds need to be addressed now...
Huge problem, little discussion... thanx for bringing this to our attention
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