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Are the Bees Dying off Because They're Too Busy?
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 11, 2007 3:50 AM
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Posted by: henderson on Aug 11, 2007 4:10 AM
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Right now I've got 5 hives; two are swarms that I was called on to get this summer - they're doing fine. I NEVER use any chemicals on my bees, and they're mostly "feral" and healthy. If I DO feel the need to get more bees in the early spring, I don't order them from California, Louisiana, or Hawaii, I go to a local "big" beekeeper (S. Wisconsin) and ask him to sell me a queen and some of her bees that have over-wintered in Wisconsin. Then I know the bees are used to this climate and weather.
Honeybees won't leave brood (their babies) no matter how cold it gets, or how hungry they are. I've learned that in the past if I've gotten a queen from, let's say, California, she may have a tendency to lay eggs too late in the year, and if a cold snap comes, the bees will cluster around the brood and actually starve to death when there's plenty of honey nearby because they won't move away from keeping the brood warm.
I guess you could say in the case of honeybees, too, "local is better". At least that's been the case with my experience.
But then, I'm not looking to earn my living from honeybees - I just find them the most fascinating insect that I've come in contact with - the more I learn about them and from them, the more I could talk for hours about them. They are BEAUTIFUL. Nature's loving gift to the world.
I'm very glad honeybees have come to the attention of so many people now - this summer I heard a lot more people say, "Well, I called you because I didn't just want to kill them, I know honeybees are in trouble." So maybe some good is coming from the sadness of CCD.
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Posted by: guybjones on Aug 11, 2007 5:45 AM
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By the way, just as an aside, I recommend folks check out the indie film "Ulee's Gold," starring Peter Fonda, that came out in 1997. It's a drama about a Florida beekeeper, superbly played by Fonda. A very heartfelt film, elegant in its simplicity, and the kind of film that seems all too rare in the studio system.
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Posted by: Knowmad on Aug 11, 2007 7:54 AM
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The only surprise here was that this didn't come out sooner. Surely those who are treating their flying livestock with what amounts to human-biased methodologies and guesswork must understand that meddling with delicate balances can only result in change. The trick is to use every measure to learn what will happen before embarking on a campaign - particularly one so naive and short-sighted that its primary goal is 'good business' (read profit).
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Posted by: Susan Kuchinskas on Aug 11, 2007 8:08 AM
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Why is no one discussing this? I think it's for the same reason no one seriously talks about getting rid of the internal combustion engine in transportation; induced labor in medicine; and agribusiness practices in general: There's too much invested in the status quo.
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Aug 11, 2007 8:20 AM
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As many times as i have been stung while playing, working, gardening i've always been facinated by bees and enjoyed their company. i plant (or allow some weeds to grow) to allow bees (bumblebees, wasps, moths) their flowers for most all seasons. I feel more like i've done a good job in my gardening when others benefit from it, not just myself. This morning I watched bumblebees thread themselves across the small blooms of hyssop i planted this spring and, of course, now wish i had planted more. Without something other than plants in my garden it just wouldn't feel like it was worth the effort. My lawn is long-gone (my house obscured by shrubs, trees and vines). F the lawnmower. I can do better than that.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 11, 2007 8:57 AM
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http://lighterfootstep.com/five-ways...ring-bees.html
Mainly, it is for those lucky enough to have a garden, what type of plants they like, etc. But there is one suggestion everyone can do, support local bee keepers by buying their honey vs. commercial honey. In Chicago we have a farmers market downtown, so I am fortunate to take my pick among several there. I think that is what everyone is getting for Christmas this year. Maybe they will find it sweeter than the compact fluorescent bulbs they got last year."
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Posted by: eddie torres on Aug 11, 2007 10:43 AM
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Got problems with your hostile merger & acquisition operations? Get busy propagandizing!
Let's call the negative consequences of industrial-scale poor beekeeping practices... a "disorder" (CCD)! And let's flood the press with... cash! So that we can get the message to the people who count: members of the House Committee on Agriculture and the Senate Committee of Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry.
"Subsidies! We must have... subsidies!"
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Posted by: chomsky on Aug 11, 2007 5:47 PM
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In the first paragraph, it is stated that "...This malady causes all the bees in a hive to seemingly vanish overnight, abandoning their brood in the nursery, as well as their stores of honey and pollen. Other bees and pests, which normally plunder deserted honey, shun these hives."
The question of why other animals that would normally plunder the hives for the honey leave these hives alone and untouched is not answered....
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Posted by: Rod on Aug 12, 2007 6:21 AM
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I rarely see honeybees anymore. However I have noticed a huge increase in other native bees, including bumblebees. I have no problems with pollination. The only real problem is I am allergic to bees, and the bumblebees seem to be agressive.
However, give nature a chance, and she will adapt. There might be some problems, like for allergic humans, but as a whole things move on.
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Posted by: rroffel on Aug 12, 2007 10:00 AM
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Thats what you don't know about the hives collapsing.
(I wish I had the links, but I don't have the time to search for it.)
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» RE: What you don' know about the hive collapsesEXCELLENT link
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 15, 2007 7:28 AM
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I am a farmer in northeastern Nebraska. I want to tell you that bees have virtually disappeared in my area. And it seems to have really become noticeable in the last 5 years or so. This is also the about the same time that GM crops really started to be grown extensively in my area.
I raise alfalfa for dairy cattle. It used to be that when the alfalfa was in bloom, there were zillions of bees out there busily collecting nectar from the purple flowers.
My alfalfa is blooming right now. I walked through the field yesterday and didn't see a single bee. I have also talked to other farmers in the area and they have noticed the abscence of bees also.
I brought all of this to the attention of the state University Extension office. They gave me the big blow-off.
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Posted by: ld7440 on Aug 19, 2007 10:25 AM
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Commercial honey stinks, and I don't buy it. Locally grown honey is another matter. I have fond memories of chewing on a honeycomb that was filled with natural, local honey. What a treat! For many reasons, we need to support local farmers.
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 11, 2007 3:50 AM
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» But they didn't mention this study
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Posted by: henderson on Aug 11, 2007 4:10 AM
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Right now I've got 5 hives; two are swarms that I was called on to get this summer - they're doing fine. I NEVER use any chemicals on my bees, and they're mostly "feral" and healthy. If I DO feel the need to get more bees in the early spring, I don't order them from California, Louisiana, or Hawaii, I go to a local "big" beekeeper (S. Wisconsin) and ask him to sell me a queen and some of her bees that have over-wintered in Wisconsin. Then I know the bees are used to this climate and weather.
Honeybees won't leave brood (their babies) no matter how cold it gets, or how hungry they are. I've learned that in the past if I've gotten a queen from, let's say, California, she may have a tendency to lay eggs too late in the year, and if a cold snap comes, the bees will cluster around the brood and actually starve to death when there's plenty of honey nearby because they won't move away from keeping the brood warm.
I guess you could say in the case of honeybees, too, "local is better". At least that's been the case with my experience.
But then, I'm not looking to earn my living from honeybees - I just find them the most fascinating insect that I've come in contact with - the more I learn about them and from them, the more I could talk for hours about them. They are BEAUTIFUL. Nature's loving gift to the world.
I'm very glad honeybees have come to the attention of so many people now - this summer I heard a lot more people say, "Well, I called you because I didn't just want to kill them, I know honeybees are in trouble." So maybe some good is coming from the sadness of CCD.
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Posted by: guybjones on Aug 11, 2007 5:45 AM
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By the way, just as an aside, I recommend folks check out the indie film "Ulee's Gold," starring Peter Fonda, that came out in 1997. It's a drama about a Florida beekeeper, superbly played by Fonda. A very heartfelt film, elegant in its simplicity, and the kind of film that seems all too rare in the studio system.
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Posted by: Knowmad on Aug 11, 2007 7:54 AM
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The only surprise here was that this didn't come out sooner. Surely those who are treating their flying livestock with what amounts to human-biased methodologies and guesswork must understand that meddling with delicate balances can only result in change. The trick is to use every measure to learn what will happen before embarking on a campaign - particularly one so naive and short-sighted that its primary goal is 'good business' (read profit).
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Posted by: Susan Kuchinskas on Aug 11, 2007 8:08 AM
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Why is no one discussing this? I think it's for the same reason no one seriously talks about getting rid of the internal combustion engine in transportation; induced labor in medicine; and agribusiness practices in general: There's too much invested in the status quo.
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» They are talking about it..and they are singing about it, too!
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» The Bush Administration doesn't want you to know this.
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Aug 11, 2007 8:20 AM
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As many times as i have been stung while playing, working, gardening i've always been facinated by bees and enjoyed their company. i plant (or allow some weeds to grow) to allow bees (bumblebees, wasps, moths) their flowers for most all seasons. I feel more like i've done a good job in my gardening when others benefit from it, not just myself. This morning I watched bumblebees thread themselves across the small blooms of hyssop i planted this spring and, of course, now wish i had planted more. Without something other than plants in my garden it just wouldn't feel like it was worth the effort. My lawn is long-gone (my house obscured by shrubs, trees and vines). F the lawnmower. I can do better than that.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 11, 2007 8:57 AM
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http://lighterfootstep.com/five-ways...ring-bees.html
Mainly, it is for those lucky enough to have a garden, what type of plants they like, etc. But there is one suggestion everyone can do, support local bee keepers by buying their honey vs. commercial honey. In Chicago we have a farmers market downtown, so I am fortunate to take my pick among several there. I think that is what everyone is getting for Christmas this year. Maybe they will find it sweeter than the compact fluorescent bulbs they got last year."
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Posted by: eddie torres on Aug 11, 2007 10:43 AM
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Got problems with your hostile merger & acquisition operations? Get busy propagandizing!
Let's call the negative consequences of industrial-scale poor beekeeping practices... a "disorder" (CCD)! And let's flood the press with... cash! So that we can get the message to the people who count: members of the House Committee on Agriculture and the Senate Committee of Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry.
"Subsidies! We must have... subsidies!"
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» Not a bad idea. By the way, regime change in a bee colony is possible.
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» RE: seriously heading into "farside" country
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» I once watched an episode on the Discovery Channel on the killer bees and how they invaded from
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» swarm city hall?
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Posted by: chomsky on Aug 11, 2007 5:47 PM
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In the first paragraph, it is stated that "...This malady causes all the bees in a hive to seemingly vanish overnight, abandoning their brood in the nursery, as well as their stores of honey and pollen. Other bees and pests, which normally plunder deserted honey, shun these hives."
The question of why other animals that would normally plunder the hives for the honey leave these hives alone and untouched is not answered....
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Posted by: Rod on Aug 12, 2007 6:21 AM
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I rarely see honeybees anymore. However I have noticed a huge increase in other native bees, including bumblebees. I have no problems with pollination. The only real problem is I am allergic to bees, and the bumblebees seem to be agressive.
However, give nature a chance, and she will adapt. There might be some problems, like for allergic humans, but as a whole things move on.
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Posted by: rroffel on Aug 12, 2007 10:00 AM
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Thats what you don't know about the hives collapsing.
(I wish I had the links, but I don't have the time to search for it.)
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» RE: What you don' know about the hive collapsesEXCELLENT link
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Posted by: mrs whatsit on Aug 13, 2007 4:19 AM
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 15, 2007 7:28 AM
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I am a farmer in northeastern Nebraska. I want to tell you that bees have virtually disappeared in my area. And it seems to have really become noticeable in the last 5 years or so. This is also the about the same time that GM crops really started to be grown extensively in my area.
I raise alfalfa for dairy cattle. It used to be that when the alfalfa was in bloom, there were zillions of bees out there busily collecting nectar from the purple flowers.
My alfalfa is blooming right now. I walked through the field yesterday and didn't see a single bee. I have also talked to other farmers in the area and they have noticed the abscence of bees also.
I brought all of this to the attention of the state University Extension office. They gave me the big blow-off.
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Posted by: ld7440 on Aug 19, 2007 10:25 AM
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Commercial honey stinks, and I don't buy it. Locally grown honey is another matter. I have fond memories of chewing on a honeycomb that was filled with natural, local honey. What a treat! For many reasons, we need to support local farmers.
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