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Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
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In San Francisco, Mayor Gavin Newsom recently banned city departments from using city money to buy any kind of bottled water. In New York, local residents are being urged to drink tap water. The U.S. Conference of Mayors has passed a resolution that highlighted the importance of municipal water and called for more scrutiny of the impact of bottled water on city waste.
The environmental impact of the country's obsession with bottled water has been staggering. Each day an estimated 60 million plastic water bottles are thrown away. Most are not recycled. The Pacific Institute has estimated 20 million barrels of oil are used each year to make the plastic for water bottles.
Economically, it makes sense to stop buying bottled water as well. The Arizona Daily Star recently examined the cost difference between bottled water and water from the city's municipal supply. A half-liter of Pepsi's Aquafina at a Tucson convenience store costs $1.39. The bottle contains purified water from the Tucson water supply. From the tap, you can pour over 6.4 gallons for a penny. That makes the bottled stuff about 7,000 times more expensive, even though Aquafina is using the same water source.
Gigi Kellett of Corporate Accountability International joins us in Boston, the group spearheading the Think Outside the Bottle campaign. We're also joined by freelance writer Michael Blanding. Last year he wrote an article for Alternet.org called "The Bottled Water Lie." We welcome you both to Democracy Now!
I want to begin with Gigi Kellett. Talk about Pepsi's admission.
GIGI KELLETT: Well, after a couple of years of our Think Outside the Bottle campaign, we have been asking of the bottled water corporations to come clean about where they get their water, what is the source of the water that they're bottling, because most people don't know that Pepsi's Aquafina, Coke's Dasani, come from our public water systems. And so, after thousands of phone calls, thousands of public comments submitted to the corporation, and us taking these demands directly to the corporation's annual shareholder meeting this year, Pepsi last week made the announcement that it would reveal that it gets its water from our public water systems.
AMY GOODMAN: Now, where exactly does Pepsi get it? Which public water supply?
GIGI KELLETT: Well, that is the issue that we're really looking at next, is what cities are they bottling the water in. You know, here in Massachusetts, it's coming from Ayre, Mass. So we want to make sure that on those bottles it says: "Public water source: Ayre, Massachusetts." That way, people know exactly what they're getting when they're buying that Aquafina bottled water.
AMY GOODMAN: Ayre being the name of a town in Massachusetts.
GIGI KELLETT: Ayre is the name of a town, right. Exactly.
AMY GOODMAN: And what happens to the town? They have their public water supply, and they have the plant for Pepsi?
GIGI KELLETT: That's right. We want to make sure that -- you know, Pepsi has certainly taken a lead on this for the bottled water industry, and we want to make sure that Coke and Nestle also follow suit. One of the things that we're finding as we're talking to people about this issue on the street is that they don't know where the water is coming from. And the bottled water corporations have spent tens of millions of dollars on ads that make people think that bottled water is somehow better, cleaner, safer than our public water systems. And in reality, we know that that's not true. And so, we want to make sure that we're increasing our people's confidence in their public water systems once again and knowing that we need to be investing in our public systems.
AMY GOODMAN: Gigi, can you go further on who owns what? You mention Nestle. What does Nestle own?
GIGI KELLETT: Nestle owns several dozen brands of bottled water. The bottled water brand they source from our public water systems is called Nestle Pure Life. They also own Poland Spring, Ozarka, Arrowhead. The list goes on. And regionally, it's distributed across the country. And then we also have Coca-Cola, which bottles Dasani water, and, of course, Pepsi with Aquafina.
AMY GOODMAN: And when it comes to being tap water, what is the difference between plain tap water and distilled water from these public sources.
GIGI KELLETT: Well, there's very little difference. You know, our public water systems go through a very rigorous testing and monitoring system and is tested by the Environmental Protection Agency. So we want to make sure that people know that our public water systems are much better regulated than these bottled water brands, which don't have to go through the same rigorous type of process.
AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Gigi Kellett, associate campaigns director of Corporate Accountability International. Michael Blanding, a freelance writer, has written the piece "The Bottled Water Lie." Michael, what is the lie?
MICHAEL BLANDING: Well, there are actually several lies, I think, that the bottled water companies perpetrate, but I think the main one is exactly what Gigi said, that this image bolstered by, you know, millions and millions of dollars of advertising that bottled water is somehow better for you, it tastes better, it's more pure. And in many cases, that's simply not true. People are paying enormous premiums for bottled water and don't even realize the fact that in many cases not only does tap water taste the same, but that it's actually more tightly regulated and actually healthier for you. There have been, you know, several cases of bottled water that's actually been contaminated and found to contain hazardous chemicals. And tap water, there's actually a rigorous testing and monitoring of the water supply that actually in many cases makes it healthier.
AMY GOODMAN: When we come back from break, I want to talk about some of those cases of contamination, but also talk about the community struggles that are working to take back their water supply. Our guests are Michael Blanding, who wrote "The Bottled Water Lie," and Gigi Kellett of Corporate Accountability International. Stay with us.
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AMY GOODMAN: Now, Michael, you begin your piece by talking about Antonia Mahoney. Talk about who she is.
MICHAEL BLANDING: She was someone who was just walking down the street in downtown Boston when the folks at Corporate Accountability -- Gigi and the folks in her group -- were holding something called the Tap Water Challenge, which was a taste test between tap water and various bottled water brands, Aquafina and Dasani. And I stood there during the afternoon and watched many people come up who were bottled water drinkers and could swear that they could tell the difference and that they could recognize their brand.
And Antonia Mahoney was one of those who -- she actually had given off drinking tap water a few years ago and was drinking only Poland Spring and knew that she would be able to tell Poland Spring from all the other types of water that she was drinking there. And it turned out that what she thought was Poland Spring was actually the tap water from Boston, the good old tap water, which -- we actually have very good tap water that comes from western Mass here. So she was very surprised and shocked, and decided right there that she was going to leave off her contract of paying $30 a month for Poland Spring water, which she got delivered to her house. So it was very -- and there were other experiences like that during the day that I witnessed.
AMY GOODMAN: Michael, you write about the problems of a suspected carcinogen chemical, bromate. You talk about the contamination of Dasani water, owned by Coca-Cola, in 2004. Explain what the problems are, the contamination issues.
MICHAEL BLANDING: So, ironically, one of the processes that actually takes the tap water and purifies it -- it's called ozonation -- can actually in some cases have a byproduct, which is bromate, which is, as you say, a suspected carcinogen. And the largest case of contamination was in the U.K. in 2004, right when Dasani launched in the United Kingdom. They had something like a half-million bottles of Dasani water actually found to be contaminated, and people were getting sick. And it's just indicative of the lack of controls and the lack of monitoring that you find with bottled water.
And it's not an isolated case. There have been many others that have occurred. Most recently up in Upstate New York, with an independent bottled water company, there were multiple cases of bromate contamination, as well.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about the issue of filtering? First of all, I don't know if people realize when something says "public water source" that it means tap water. But then, what it means for that tap water to be filtered -- you talk about additional techniques like reverse-osmosis.
MICHAEL BLANDING: Right, yeah. So there are various techniques that the companies use, and they tout them as these proprietary techniques that they go through seven different phases of filtering, and all the rest of it. And when you look at it, though -- reverse osmosis is the main one, which is basically just pushing water through a membrane to remove contaminants, and it's actually very similar to the type of process that can be found in home water filters, just the kind that you attach to your tap for a couple of hundred bucks. So -- it's not as sophisticated as they might pretend that it is.
AMY GOODMAN: And internationally, the movements, from Bolivia to Peru, La Paz, all over.
MICHAEL BLANDING: Yeah. What's interesting is that, here in the United States, there are several communities that have actually had plants take a lot of water from their groundwater up in Michigan where they can actually see the water level of one of their streams declining because of the massive amount that Nestle was taking from their water.
And it's even a more critical issue in other countries where water scarcity is a real problem, so places like India, where Coca-Cola and Pepsi have actually really depleted communities, and farmers have been unable to grow their crops, it's kind of been a double whammy. They've taken the water, and then the water that they -- the waste water they've dumped back has been polluted, in many cases. And so, that's one issue, is just the depletion of water from the plants themselves.
And then the other issue, which I know Gigi could talk about, is just the perception that comes across that somehow tap water is -- municipal water is somehow not as good as water that's been privatized. And so, you have -- it sort of starts this steady creep of where privatization of water sources becomes OK. And there have been many communities, like in Bolivia, where water supplies have been privatized and have been sold back to -- water that was previously free has, you know, skyrocketed in price. And people have taken to the streets and protested and actually got the private companies to leave.
AMY GOODMAN: Gigi Kellett, let's talk about the tainting of the image of the municipal water supply in this country, the effect of the bottled water advertising industry campaigns.
GIGI KELLETT: Well, this is something that's of real concern to our organization and our members and activists across the country, because we are seeing this -- who are we turning to to provide our drinking water? And there are -- these bottled water corporations are spending tens of millions of dollars every year on ads that effectively undermine people's confidence in their water.
There was actually a poll done by the University of Arkansas earlier this year that found young people tend to choose bottled water over tap water, because they feel it's somehow cleaner or better than their public water systems. And as we've already mentioned here, we know that in reality that's not true. So there is a real concern about the impact that these bottled water corporations are having on the way we think about water.
And our Think Outside the Bottle campaign is aiming to change that, and we're having real success with cities like San Francisco and Ann Arbor, Mich., and New York City, taking a lead on putting their public water systems back in the forefront and not contracting with bottled water corporations, for example, like in Salt Lake City and in San Francisco. And we're seeing restaurants turn to the tap in lieu of bottled water. So there's a lot that people are starting to look at in terms of this industry and what changes we can make to promote our own public water systems here in this country and make sure that they have the funding they need to thrive, and that also we're looking internationally to make sure that countries that may be cash-strapped also have the resources they need to have good, strong public water systems and not turn to privatization.
AMY GOODMAN: Gigi, tell us about what happened in Salt Lake City and in San Francisco, with the mayor announcing that city money cannot be used to buy bottled water.
GIGI KELLETT: That's right. You know, the mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom, after we had been working with his staff there, working with the San Francisco Department of the Environment and the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission, they looked at how much money they were spending on bottled water every year. It was close to a half-million dollars. And they said, "We're the forefront. We're cities. We're the forefront of ensuring that people have access to good, safe, clean water. And we're also now at the forefront of dealing with the waste that results from the bottled water industry. So we need to take a stand as a city." And in June, Mayor Newsom issued an executive order saying that the city would no longer be buying bottled water. And he joined with the mayor of Salt Lake City, Rocky Anderson, and also the mayor of Minneapolis, R.T. Rybak, to put forward a resolution at the U.S. Conference of Mayors calling on a study to really look at what are the impacts of bottled water on our municipal waste. So it's a real great leadership that we're seeing of these cities.
AMY GOODMAN: And, Gigi, what about the effect that the water in the plastic bottle has? Is there any kind of leeching out? People think that they're getting healthier water in all sorts of ways, but what about the impact of that plastic?
GIGI KELLETT: Well, there are a number of concerns about the impact of the plastic, yes, of course, in the leeching. These bottles that are made are single-serve bottles, so they're not intended to be reused, because of the potential for leeching of the plastic into -- when you're drinking the water. And then, of course, there are the environmental impacts of the bottles that are ending up in our landfills and on the side of the road as litter. They're not being recycled. Only about 23 percent of these plastic bottles are being recycled. So it's a huge impact for our environment and, of course, for people's health. So we want people to be looking at turning back to the tap and thinking outside the bottle.
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» YES!
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» You can also use PUR/Brita
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» But PUR AND BRITA will NOT filter out FLUORIDE
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» We are forced to have fluoride for the "benefit" of poor immigrants so stop bitching.
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» Labelling demands- divulge Source and Fuoride content
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» Need labelling on bottle water like in Europe.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 2, 2007 2:53 AM
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Admit! Forget that, I want my money back!
Our political system is so corrupt that it corrupts or defeats one and all with a death of a thousand cuts. Every agreement reached, every law passed; or not, is a result of mind to mind combat where all are scarred. Combat wounds eventually heal, but self-inflicted wounds fester. Betrayal of a trust leaves you feeling diminished, providing you have a conscience, but not everyone has a conscience, some are stuck in primitive subconscious state. Like Dick Cheney.
A good offense has always been the best defense, and Cheney is one of the most offensive. That’s the mark of the “winners.”
Subconscious is the fight or flight survival mode which some leaders live in and exploit to gather followers and power. But they diminish themselves and their countrymen in their lust for power, and all the pleasures that power bequeaths.
We elect politicians to represent us, but they don’t. Our Representatives represent wealth and power for their own advancement, and that’s the way our political system works. We elect leaders, but once they get to D.C., the political process which excludes any input from the average American, takes over. The individuals we elect don’t determine our fate as a nation, the process does. And the process is corrupt by design. Designed by “special interests” who control both parties.
We are ruled by a sociopathic system, and the only way the meek can get out from under, is to rip it apart and start over.
If only we had the time.
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» 100% agree
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Aug 2, 2007 3:15 AM
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. . . *damn you louie anderson!* . . . *shakes fist at gods* . . .
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Posted by: hagwind on Aug 2, 2007 4:54 AM
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While we're at it, the artificially sweetened and flavored iced tea that comes in bottles doesn't taste much like the real thing. Brew your own, and add your own flavors. (A dash of cranberry juice is good.) If the convenience stores could jettison all those refrigerators, they'd save a helluva lot on electricity and free up that space for chocolate bars.
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» There is legal, taste, medicinal difference between waters. "Drinking", "Table", "Mineral", "Spring"
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» I think the issue was one of clarity of marketing and labelling.
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» are you asking 'what would Jesus drink'?
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Posted by: stina723 on Aug 2, 2007 7:21 AM
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yes that could be true, but PLEASE tell the whole story. When you drink tap water (unfiltered) you are drinking chlorine, fluoride (some cities/municipalities do not fluoridate the water ex. New Jersey) heavy metals from the pipes the water has traveled in, etc. Yes, the water is tested, but do you think the EPA is testing it every day? no. Nor are they testing it when it comes out of your pipes. Also the EPA has decided that low amts of substances are ok to drink, like arsenic, insecticides, herbicides, etc. I beg to differ, the amt that is ok to drink of these things should be ZERO!
About 2 years ago, I invested approx $1200 in a point-of-use water filtration system for my kitchen tap and a heavy duty shower filter. I then got my water tested to see if any things could be detected and to make sure the filtration system was actually working. Well the lab could not detect anything except minerals....it was the best investment I ever made. Also don't be fooled - Brita and Pur are useless, maybe they filter a little chlorine but they're not doing much else.
I do not buy bottled water, I simply fill a 1-2 liter bottle of my filtered water and carry that around w/ me all day.
I never liked Aquafina water, if you drink that at room temperature, it tastes disgusting.
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Posted by: robedal on Aug 2, 2007 7:37 AM
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Here are the lead paragraphs from a recent story in the Globe and Mail
(I would have included the web address, but the Alternet software won't let me.)
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
August 1, 2007 at 1:01 PM EDT
The chemical industry has long insisted that bisphenol A levels in people are so low as to not be a concern. But a new assessment has found the estrogen-like chemical used to make plastic is present in humans at levels similar to those shown to be harmful in animal experiments.
The assessment, appearing in the current edition of the journal Reproductive Toxicology, is likely to raise further health concerns about the controversial chemical. Although bisphenol A has been known for decades to act like a hormone, companies have been using it to make everything from polycarbonate plastic baby bottles and office water jugs to dental sealants and the resin linings on the insides of most tin cans.
Interestingly :-) there is no mention of his important story in the so-called "quality" U.S. newspapers like the New York Times or Washington Post
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Posted by: wrd on Aug 2, 2007 7:56 AM
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There's an old sociology book called "The Poor Pay More" about how the indigent end up paying more in the long run
for items because they can't enough money at one time to take advantage of discounts that the middle class take for granted. So they "nickel and dime themselves to death."You can see the carcinogenic crud floating in the water from my pipes. No way will I drink that poison. I even once got a warning letter from the City of Richmond about the hazard. This is a poverty issue.
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» Sensible, though , to supply quality pitchers (Aquaspace) rather than filter flush water
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Posted by: dover23 on Aug 2, 2007 8:02 AM
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Everything else is garbage! Who buys this crap? High fructose corn syrup is nasty!
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Posted by: elderwoman.org on Aug 2, 2007 8:16 AM
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A vast majority of US cities fluoridate their water. I know this is a controversial issue but since fluoride is a neat way for companies producing fertilizer to make a profit on their by-products there are obviously some strong vested interests in favor of it. Ordinary, countertop, charcoal-based filters don't remove fluoride.
Where I live, there's no fluorodation but since reverse osmosis and distillation do remove fluoride I often feel tempted to drink bottled water when I travel to fluoridated areas, even when I know it originates as tap water. However, the leaching of chemicals from the plastic bothers me. So does the problem of more plastic in the landfill. And now that the smaller companies have all been bought out, I cannot risk accidentally supporting Nestle or Coca Cola. So I drink tap water (filtered if possible) and put up with the fluoride.
I am not even certain that all tap water is as clean and pure and wholesome as this article maintains. When I lived in San Francisco I remember the water authority themselves advising people with compromised immune systems not to drink water straight from the tap because of high cryptosporidium counts. That problem may be fixed by now. But chlorine isn't particularly good to ingest and I don't believe that fluorines (usually sodium hexafluorosilicate and hexafluorosilicic acid) are either. In those days, my solution was to buy Black Mountain water as the huge jugs are recycled over and over and are made of a hard plastic that is purported not to leach. But of course that solution created some added pollution since the water had to be delivered by truck every couple of weeks.
So, as with most other 'green' issues it is all about weighing up the options, making trade-offs etc. My choice at the moment is for tap water since I would rather trust my body to deal with a few doses of chemicals than add to the problem of plastics and the profits of Coca Cola & co. But there may well be situations, like the San Francisco one, where my choice would be different.
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Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 2, 2007 8:21 AM
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Coke Facts
Vandana Shiva, water activist in India
Nestle and water, and more sources.
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Posted by: eosrk on Aug 2, 2007 8:22 AM
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We have well water, and I love it, and we get it tested for radon often, and it's still safer than city water.....and we get it for free.
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Posted by: happybear on Aug 2, 2007 8:42 AM
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1. She starts off by saying that "Pepsi's (water) come(s) from our public water systems." That is said as though it is a problem with disclosure. The fact is that the source of the water, before processing, is irrelevant. The product that is sold is what is used, and that product is , in fact, purer (fewer contaminates), and free of poisons such as lead, chlorine, and other metals (commonly known as minerals) like calcium, magnesium, and sodium.
2. In response to the question about distilled water compared to tap water, she really shows her ignorance, or is purposely lying in order to decieve her audience. Tap water, in virtually all municipal suppliers, has chlorine added to control bacteria and viruses. Chlorine is a poison, and adds nothing to improve the water in any beneficial way. Another poison added to many municipal systems is Fluoride, which can cause severe and irreversible damage to teeth. She then says that municipal systems are extremely well controlled, and she is right. They have to be. They add these poisons, and must control them precisely or make the population very sick. Remember, if the bottled water is from a municipal source, the same strict controls apply to the water in the bottle as to the tap water. The argument, therefore, is moot.
3. The further processing to come to the finished product just improve the quality of the water. To say that the water is "better" is strictly a subjective statement. The same is true about "safer". Tap water, I agree, is usually just as safe as any bottled water. But it is either a mistake or a deliberate lie to say that treated water is not "cleaner" than any tap water. The very act of the filters removes certain contaminates, and that is "cleaner" by definition.
4. The "taste test" privided in the article shows a lack of knowledge in water product, as well. Poland Spring water is very diferent than Aquafina, and less diferent than tap water or Dasani. Aquafina and Dasani are first purified, and virtually all the contaminates are removed. Dasani adds some of tose minerals back into the water, to try to mimic the taste of "tap" water. Poland Springs is not purified, simply disinfected, and the mineral content is controlled. This makes the Poland Spring and Dasani very much like tap water in laboratory tests, ony with better disinfection controls. Remember, that when a municipality has a problem with their processing plant, and the water is bacterially contaminated, one of the options that is always suggested is boil the water, or drink bottled water. This was very obvious in Milwaukee, WI during the 1990's.
Michael Blanding is even more devious in his discussion.
Additional false statements are so bad that it is hard to imagine that he is not deliberately lying. His first comments about Ozone use is an example. Ozone is an excellent Oxodant, similar in action to chlorine, or hydrogen peroxide. But the by-products of chlorine are manifest, while Ozone leaves only oxygen as a direct result of the use. But Blanding claims that a by-product of Ozone is Bromate, which can be dangerous.
1. He doesn't say that ANY oxidant, combined with bromide, creates bromate. That includes Cholrine. And chlorine has been called a poison. Mr. Blanding is deliberately omitting anything that might not be negative toward bottled water. As well, he doesn't say that many processing systems remove bromide, and then add ozone. It would be too close to the truth, and Mr Blanding needs to avoid that.
I am sorry that this has continued so long, but these persons need to be corrected in their mistatements and outright lies.
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Posted by: pzzp on Aug 2, 2007 9:57 AM
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Psychologists will tell you about the "dynamic" of a relationship. Both the uninformed consumer and the profit-hungry merchant are at fault.
As they say: build it, and they will come, so the uninformed flock to the marketer's bullshit. Never mind water, why else would people drink caramelized sugar water? I've seen it written that one can contains the equivalent 10 teaspoons of sugar. Would I eat 10 teaspoons of sugar? Don't think so.
Whereas there may be a very few legitimate reasons for bottled water use in particular circumstances, most of the time municipal water should do.
Get educated, get smart, be skeptical, do your research. The mass marketing of bottled water was prima facie ridiculous. It just re-inforces my notion of human gullibility that here we are , how many years on? and there is still discussion.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 2, 2007 10:19 AM
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Meh. That's the cynic in me talking, and it's their money to blow, anyway. It's not like they don't have good healthcare or are asking the government to provide it for them, right?
It's also possible that as our cheap gas edges ever close to the price of a bottle of tap water from the soft drink industry, people will wise up.
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Posted by: sausage on Aug 2, 2007 11:34 AM
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Please, those of you who purchase bottled water don't take this personally. This is just my opinion and we all know about opinions.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Aug 2, 2007 12:49 PM
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I use the Minneapolis tap water religiously. Bottled water is only for convenience if travelling and I need small containers for me. One of these days, I will get nice re-fillable containers and drop them altogheter.
Minneapolis tap water, we have the most efficient (or was it advanced) water filteration system in North America.
Now back to figuring out bridge engineering :(
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Posted by: wisewebwoman on Aug 2, 2007 1:24 PM
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However, according to many sources I've read, the next big serious invasion (how can we call them wars?) will be for water.
We are running very very low, folks, enough for a looming crisis. Some aquifers have disappeared entirely.
And what was that again about GW Bush and his daughters buying the land over the biggest aquifer in the world in Peru?
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Posted by: larengo on Aug 2, 2007 2:07 PM
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The water companies are always finding more heavy metals (like lead) and toxic chemicals (like arsenic) than they or the people in and around L.A. would like. It's tested and monitored and checked...like the public schools are...but, like the schools, rarely meet any kind of reasonable standard of quality. Neither system, allegedly, will kill you...but that's setting the bar about as low as it goes.
There are many many people who have no alternative to either the water or the schools, and have to use them. Those who are monied or motivated enough to find alternatives to the toxicity of those public systems, take them. Why do my brothers and sisters on the left condemn those acts of self preservation instead of condemning the toxic systems that make alternatives essential.
NASA has found a way to recycle astronauts' urine to make it fresh and clear as spring water. It costs a hell of a lot...but there's not a lot of choice. I've tasted L.A. and other similar city water and while it's not exactly urine, it's also not nearly as 'potable' as the Dansani I choose to drink. (please note: we recyle ALL our plastic bottles)
The propaganda writer who wrote the initial scare article didn't mention...nor did anyone in the organizations that have seized on this issue...that the 'leeching' of these bad plastic by-products also must happen in ALL things contained in plastic; not just water. Why are we being so protected from fear of ALL those things we drink and use?
I think, once again, we're being jerked around by use of fear (just like this administration's tactic everyone loves so much) and not being given a full and fair chance at the truth of this 'issue'.
I don't live in Oregon where the tap water is truly wonderful, and don't have my own well..like some others in this forum. I don't live in my own home where I might be able to afford a very expensive filtration system. I'm in the Los Angeles area water system and want to be able to feed my need for water without all the distorted science using the politics of fear to make that need as anxiety provoking as possible. I like Dansani water...and Aqua Fina too. THEY DON'T SAY THEY COME FROM ANY SPRING OR WELL...THEY ONLY SAY THAT THEY ARE 'PURIFIED'. If that 'author' or anyone else wants to challenge the reverse osmosis process' ability to achieve a higher standard of purity than city water, let them do that....with backup data. On the face of it, such an assertion is just plain dumb.
The Bush administration has systematically destroyed every environmental, health and consumer protection agency in the government. But still we're told, "Tap water...is monitored regularly by government agencies and bottled water is not" as if that should seal the argument. Since when do we use the EPA or FDA or other corrupt acronym as the arbiters of truth? Gotta have it one way or the other...seems to me.
I'm not at all reasured by the words of those same agencies that tell us that increased levels of arsenic are 'not harmful', that the heavy metals in city drinking water 'are less than last year'...or that 'global warming is scientifically controversial".
Sorry for the lengthy rant...but I find so many disturbing distortions in this newest guilt/fear campaign I was compelled. I promise never to smoke, even on the street or in my acid shower, or ever eat a 'Fatburger' in front of a child...if these damn agitators-with-their-cause will just leave me and my Dansani alone.
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Posted by: FDPN on Aug 2, 2007 4:46 PM
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I've bought my fair share of bottled water over the years because of convenience and the fact that the alternative is sugar laden soft drinks.
On the other hand, at my various jobs over the years I've always brought a Gatorade bottle or whatever with me and filled it using the water fountain or sink. People would look at me like I was crazy.
At my current job I bring a glass cup with me and use that to drink tap water. How crazy is that? Crazy enough to keep me hydrated and save me 50 dollars a week that the retards spend on bottled water.
So finally the truth, that anyone with a head on their shoulders knew all along, comes out? Big deal. Did you morons seriously think bottled water was some kind of special thing?
At least in Europe the bottled water is usually carbonated and (probably) doesn't come from public water sources.
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Posted by: rainbowape on Aug 2, 2007 5:36 PM
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and they say this is the real thing, shame on them!!
boycott them both on the route to dismantling them.
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Posted by: larengo on Aug 2, 2007 5:49 PM
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Blanding, his sponsoring Corporate Responsibility people...and Amy Goodman for that matter, should consider my prior post--and then consider this--taken from Amy Goodman's onair Blanding interview.
Blanding, talking about the water taken from local water supplies by these evil water mongers to sell to the the world's dummies who don't know that they're paying for nothing but the water they could get from the tap for free, said:
"They've taken the water, and then the water that they -- the waste water they've dumped back has been polluted, in many cases. And so, that's one issue..."
Well, Mr. Blanding...If all those phony balony 7 levels of purification and reverse osmosis are not removing some serious contaminants from all that safe tap water checked by the gummint.....
WHERE THE HELL IS THE POLLUTION COMING FROM THAT THEY'RE DUMPING BACK INTO THE LOCAL WATER SUPPLIES?
Could it be that it's the crap that's been filtered out 0f the municipal water supplies by these "overrated" not-so-big-deal reverse osmotic filters? The crap taken OUT of the local water supplies you feel are so well monitored because the EPA does it? The crap that is not in the bottled water they charge us dummies so much for? The crap you accuse them of dumping back IN the surrounding waters? (if you want an expose...expose THAT! My G-d, they're polluting the surroundings with the pollution they're talking OUT of our drinking water!!)
I'm tired of Bill O'Reilly's B.S., I'm tired of Sean Hannity's B.S., I'm over tired of the crime family's--- Bush and Cheney and all the rest of the administration mob's B.S.----but I am necessarily disgusted and disappointed with the B.S. generated by MY people...to achieve THEIR hidden agendas.
Crap journalism using crap science and even crappier ethics have served this scuzzy, destructive greedy, lying, thieving, treasonous, anti-law fascist administration well for the past six...really twenty seven years! Keep up the good work!
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Posted by: jaby on Aug 2, 2007 9:05 PM
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But still...common knowledge. Read the labels, folks, there is far more information there than you think. Dasani, for example, is bottled in Atlanta, says it right on the bottle. So what? Someone out there thought there was some wonderful pure spring in downtown Atlanta? Give me a break. Learn to read between the lines.
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Water is water--as long as it is relatively clean (i.e. just H2O), it makes no difference where it came from. It could come from the New York City sewer system; as long as it was purified and the final product is clean, it makes no difference.
The actual issue isn't the water, but the marketing deceit. Pepsi should not be deceitful, of course. But this article is pretending that impure marketing equates to impure water--which is bullshit.
P.S. Slapping a simple charcoal filter on your tap water will not make it as pure as water that has been treated with reverse osmosis. Fact. Deal.
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Posted by: DF on Aug 3, 2007 8:29 PM
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Also, Pepsico has never hidden the fact that they get water from a public water supply. I started buying Aquafina for my father years ago when he started going through Dialysis. I was told by his nurse that aquafina would be the best for him because the purification system they use remove all minerals. I called Pepsi to confirm and while I had them on the phone I asked the source. They told me it was the municipal water supply.
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Posted by: Zoemushi on Aug 3, 2007 11:34 PM
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By the 1990s, lead had disappeared as a component of new plumbing, primarily replaced by PVC. Some of the chemicals used to make PVC, such as vinyl chloride and organotin compounds are dangerous. Most of the time, these chemicals remain tightly bound to the plastic, but it is possible, in some cases, for them to leach into the water carried by the pipes.
Vinyl chloride, the building block ingredient of PVC, was discovered to be carcinogenic in the 1970s, after a significant number of workers exposed to it developed a rare liver cancer called angiosarcoma. Soon after the discovery, the EPA began regulating vinyl chloride air emissions and levels in drinking water.
In August 1976, the National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) established guidelines limiting the amount of vinyl chloride residue allowable in PVC water pipes. In response, PVC producers developed methods to minimize the vinyl chloride content in PVC, according to Alex Wilson and Nadav Malin, editors of Environmental Building News.
While PVC pipes manufactured after 1977 are safer, many public water systems continue to use pipes manufactured prior to the implementation of the new process. These older pipes could still leach vinyl chloride into the water they carry. In 1998, for example, the Kansas Department of Health and Environment (KDHE) discovered that almost 10 percent of rural drinking water supplies tested positive for levels of vinyl chloride above EPA standards of two parts per billion.
Another component of PVC pipes of concern are organotins. These metallic compounds, used to stabilize PVC plastic and guard against heat degradation, are found in about 30 percent of PVC products. Animal studies conducted worldwide throughout the 1990s have identified potential health problems associated with organotins, including birth defects, damage to the nervous system, and inflammation of the pancreas, resulting in bans or restrictions in use in some countries. In humans, organotins are known to cause memory loss and insomnia. In 1996, Canadian researchers discovered that organotins can seep from PVC pipes into drinking water. Polyethylene, by contrast, doesn’t contain organotins, making it a preferable pipe material. Other alternatives to PVC pipes are also available.
Phthalates, the plastic softener used in soft vinyl products, are not found in water pipes, which are made from rigid, "unplasticized" PVC. Of greater concern is dioxin, a potent carcinogen and hormone disruptor created during PVC’s production and incineration. Though dioxin is not present in the pipes, its emission from PVC factories and incinerators poses a health threat to everyone.
For more information on drinking water, see:
Safe Pipes: Lead in Your Drinking Water?
Safe Drinking Water: Your Consumer Confidence Report
What's in Your Bottled Water?
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While there is far less risk from PVC pipes, there is a general public health risk in the manufacture of PVC materials. To keep this risk down, choose PVC alternatives for your home. Greenpeace USA offers information on the hazards of PVC and hosts an online PVC Alternatives Database, which identifies building products that do not contain PVC. Pipe alternatives include polyethylene, ductile iron, vitrified clay, copper, aluminum, brass and ABS plastic.
The EPA is monitoring the leaching of vinyl chloride from PVC pipes made before 1977 into public water supplies with testing in Kansas, where vinyl chloride in water was discovered in 1998. Monitoring is also being conducted in rural water districts in Iowa, Missouri, and Nebraska also equipped with pre-1977 water pipes. The EPA urges individuals and water suppliers to determine if their water flows through the older pipes, and if so, to contact their regional EPA office. http://www.epa.gov/epahome/locate2.htm
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Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 4, 2007 9:25 PM
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As for what goes into the bottle -- did it ever dawn on anyone that most people might actually know that Dasani is bottled regular water? That folks might prefer consistently clean water over whatever might decide to come out of their tap today? That they know if they buy a bottle of water, they won't buy a soda that day? That the cold bottle of water at the corner store won't heat up as fast in the 100-plus degrees inside their car? Selfish, maybe, but not stupid.
What's most shocking to me is that so many folks here are basically espousing the "just trust your government to put your health first" argument. Do you trust your local government/s so much you're confident your local water is squeaky clean? Perhaps you do. I don't. But then again, my town's water plant is downstream from another town's leaky wastewater plant.
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Posted by: Darrell Kern on Aug 5, 2007 6:09 AM
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I do not buy anything from big corporations- This is not new news and it never will be. I remember back in the 1970's when Sparkletts' Water was busted for filling their bottles with garden hoses!
Wake up folks- its a little more time consuming to smart shop and support smaller businesses- but its well worth the effort. Screw big business because they make a fortune screwing you.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Aug 5, 2007 8:14 PM
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But the true blaspemy is the literal trading of fuel used in transporting water around the globe under the guise of "better, purer water". Not to mention the waste of fuel in creating and producing all the plastic bottles and shipping containers of numerous types. From Figi Islands, the Alps,The Andes, Iceland, Canadian Glaciers, Provionce, Atrisian wells in Greece. How about the gutters of Queens? Gawd, what a bunch of suckers!
While we, the materialistic industries, waste reasources at unpresidented speed in the midst of global warming and peak oil production, the world races on a run-a-way train to it own demise. All this because of a higher educated society in personal irresponsiblity.
Every individual has the ability to wake up from ignorance. Yet most insist to play social statis games like rush hour drivers lobbying for first position in an unwinnable race to attain peace of mind.
What I'm trying to say here is "Stop being sucked into the statis game", where by, like drinking commercially bottled, water somehow falsly leads people to subconsciosly believe that by drink bottle water they are part of a responsible generation that cares about the quality of their intake.
But I know there are those that really are paranoid, and worry that their tap water is less than healthy. Let me just say this. Your tap water is better than the thyphoid barring waters of Bagladesh and the lovely water resources provided to the war ravaged Iraqi population, by the good old Bush and Cheney/Halliburton reconstructionists; any day of the week. You have so little to be worried about you have no idea.
So save a few billion barrles of oil for your kids and buy a gawd damn water filter and make your own tap water right out fo the best damn plumbing pipes in the world, right here in the good old USA! ( That is until the Corp.s start charging you and taking over the public held utilities!)
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Posted by: ewingja1 on Aug 6, 2007 5:46 AM
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PS- I it doesn't say its sourced from a spring, then its filtered tap water. There, now you can go find another witch to hunt.
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Posted by: nherkowitz on Aug 6, 2007 4:45 PM
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What would you prefer, Nestle Waters, Poland Spring, Evian, Fiji or Perrier who pull down the water table for a community to have genuine 'spring' water, or bottled water from a tap that has gone through a cleaning and filtering process.
This whole thing seems to be a pile-on Pepsi, while ignoring the other people who do the same thing. Anyone who thinks that their bottled water is anything more than average water, is a fool anyway.
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Posted by: gellero on Aug 6, 2007 10:19 PM
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Another blow to the concept that democracy should rule.
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Posted by: mglenn70 on Aug 9, 2007 6:56 AM
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While bottled water companies may use public water as their source (since it is almost always EPA and FDA approved), they THEN use state of the art filtration to clean it up further, removing chlorine and other impurities.
And there is no mention that many of the issues with tap water is not at the source, but at the end of the line (consumer homes). Copper, lead, zinc, iron, dirt and other sediments, can be "leached" into municipal water from underground pipes. They don't tell you this part of the story. Or that ingesting many of these metals have been linked to various different illnesses.
Nor do they tell you about how chlorine, while a great disinfectant, may produce byproducts - trihalomethanes - that have been linked to cancer.
Bottled water ensures these things are removed from tap water, providing a healthy product for consumers.
Want proof? Go online and buy an inexpensive TDS meter (around $20 - $30). This will tell you the count of Total Dissolved Solids in water. Tap water in the U.S. will generally test in the 300 - 500 range. Aquafina will generally test in the 20 - 40 range. A significant reduction to say the least. So what are these dissolved solids? Everything I mentioned above plus a whole lot more.
And a tip - the purest water is Distilled.
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Posted by: rutlandgrl on Aug 10, 2007 8:54 AM
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labels that are there to let us know what the product is. Yes what
goes on the label is vague but its there none the less. Remineralized
water and reverse osmosis what did you think it was??? I myself
usually buy bottled water because it's clean, or because it doesn't
taste of chlorine. Its in the labels if we choose to read them. If
you don't understand it if a case of ASKING the questions before you
purchase. If you feel you were taken advantage of then stop for one
second and ask yourself if you took the time to read and do the
homework so you were in the know. My guess is probably not due to the
fact that we are living in a GET IT NOW TO GO society and this is what
we have been reduced to. My suggestion to us all is that we take the
time to know what goes into our bodies and why we buy the product then
we are better able to make those choices without regret.
I enjoy the Dasani and Ethos water bottles they are my choices and will
continue to support them. My parting words to you all is Know your
Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source
Rut
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» You can also use PUR/Brita
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» Need labelling on bottle water like in Europe.
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Admit! Forget that, I want my money back!
Our political system is so corrupt that it corrupts or defeats one and all with a death of a thousand cuts. Every agreement reached, every law passed; or not, is a result of mind to mind combat where all are scarred. Combat wounds eventually heal, but self-inflicted wounds fester. Betrayal of a trust leaves you feeling diminished, providing you have a conscience, but not everyone has a conscience, some are stuck in primitive subconscious state. Like Dick Cheney.
A good offense has always been the best defense, and Cheney is one of the most offensive. That’s the mark of the “winners.”
Subconscious is the fight or flight survival mode which some leaders live in and exploit to gather followers and power. But they diminish themselves and their countrymen in their lust for power, and all the pleasures that power bequeaths.
We elect politicians to represent us, but they don’t. Our Representatives represent wealth and power for their own advancement, and that’s the way our political system works. We elect leaders, but once they get to D.C., the political process which excludes any input from the average American, takes over. The individuals we elect don’t determine our fate as a nation, the process does. And the process is corrupt by design. Designed by “special interests” who control both parties.
We are ruled by a sociopathic system, and the only way the meek can get out from under, is to rip it apart and start over.
If only we had the time.
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Aug 2, 2007 3:15 AM
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. . . *damn you louie anderson!* . . . *shakes fist at gods* . . .
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While we're at it, the artificially sweetened and flavored iced tea that comes in bottles doesn't taste much like the real thing. Brew your own, and add your own flavors. (A dash of cranberry juice is good.) If the convenience stores could jettison all those refrigerators, they'd save a helluva lot on electricity and free up that space for chocolate bars.
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» There is legal, taste, medicinal difference between waters. "Drinking", "Table", "Mineral", "Spring"
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Posted by: stina723 on Aug 2, 2007 7:21 AM
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yes that could be true, but PLEASE tell the whole story. When you drink tap water (unfiltered) you are drinking chlorine, fluoride (some cities/municipalities do not fluoridate the water ex. New Jersey) heavy metals from the pipes the water has traveled in, etc. Yes, the water is tested, but do you think the EPA is testing it every day? no. Nor are they testing it when it comes out of your pipes. Also the EPA has decided that low amts of substances are ok to drink, like arsenic, insecticides, herbicides, etc. I beg to differ, the amt that is ok to drink of these things should be ZERO!
About 2 years ago, I invested approx $1200 in a point-of-use water filtration system for my kitchen tap and a heavy duty shower filter. I then got my water tested to see if any things could be detected and to make sure the filtration system was actually working. Well the lab could not detect anything except minerals....it was the best investment I ever made. Also don't be fooled - Brita and Pur are useless, maybe they filter a little chlorine but they're not doing much else.
I do not buy bottled water, I simply fill a 1-2 liter bottle of my filtered water and carry that around w/ me all day.
I never liked Aquafina water, if you drink that at room temperature, it tastes disgusting.
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Posted by: robedal on Aug 2, 2007 7:37 AM
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Here are the lead paragraphs from a recent story in the Globe and Mail
(I would have included the web address, but the Alternet software won't let me.)
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
August 1, 2007 at 1:01 PM EDT
The chemical industry has long insisted that bisphenol A levels in people are so low as to not be a concern. But a new assessment has found the estrogen-like chemical used to make plastic is present in humans at levels similar to those shown to be harmful in animal experiments.
The assessment, appearing in the current edition of the journal Reproductive Toxicology, is likely to raise further health concerns about the controversial chemical. Although bisphenol A has been known for decades to act like a hormone, companies have been using it to make everything from polycarbonate plastic baby bottles and office water jugs to dental sealants and the resin linings on the insides of most tin cans.
Interestingly :-) there is no mention of his important story in the so-called "quality" U.S. newspapers like the New York Times or Washington Post
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Posted by: wrd on Aug 2, 2007 7:56 AM
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There's an old sociology book called "The Poor Pay More" about how the indigent end up paying more in the long run
for items because they can't enough money at one time to take advantage of discounts that the middle class take for granted. So they "nickel and dime themselves to death."You can see the carcinogenic crud floating in the water from my pipes. No way will I drink that poison. I even once got a warning letter from the City of Richmond about the hazard. This is a poverty issue.
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Posted by: dover23 on Aug 2, 2007 8:02 AM
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Everything else is garbage! Who buys this crap? High fructose corn syrup is nasty!
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Posted by: elderwoman.org on Aug 2, 2007 8:16 AM
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A vast majority of US cities fluoridate their water. I know this is a controversial issue but since fluoride is a neat way for companies producing fertilizer to make a profit on their by-products there are obviously some strong vested interests in favor of it. Ordinary, countertop, charcoal-based filters don't remove fluoride.
Where I live, there's no fluorodation but since reverse osmosis and distillation do remove fluoride I often feel tempted to drink bottled water when I travel to fluoridated areas, even when I know it originates as tap water. However, the leaching of chemicals from the plastic bothers me. So does the problem of more plastic in the landfill. And now that the smaller companies have all been bought out, I cannot risk accidentally supporting Nestle or Coca Cola. So I drink tap water (filtered if possible) and put up with the fluoride.
I am not even certain that all tap water is as clean and pure and wholesome as this article maintains. When I lived in San Francisco I remember the water authority themselves advising people with compromised immune systems not to drink water straight from the tap because of high cryptosporidium counts. That problem may be fixed by now. But chlorine isn't particularly good to ingest and I don't believe that fluorines (usually sodium hexafluorosilicate and hexafluorosilicic acid) are either. In those days, my solution was to buy Black Mountain water as the huge jugs are recycled over and over and are made of a hard plastic that is purported not to leach. But of course that solution created some added pollution since the water had to be delivered by truck every couple of weeks.
So, as with most other 'green' issues it is all about weighing up the options, making trade-offs etc. My choice at the moment is for tap water since I would rather trust my body to deal with a few doses of chemicals than add to the problem of plastics and the profits of Coca Cola & co. But there may well be situations, like the San Francisco one, where my choice would be different.
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Coke Facts
Vandana Shiva, water activist in India
Nestle and water, and more sources.
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Posted by: eosrk on Aug 2, 2007 8:22 AM
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We have well water, and I love it, and we get it tested for radon often, and it's still safer than city water.....and we get it for free.
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Posted by: happybear on Aug 2, 2007 8:42 AM
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1. She starts off by saying that "Pepsi's (water) come(s) from our public water systems." That is said as though it is a problem with disclosure. The fact is that the source of the water, before processing, is irrelevant. The product that is sold is what is used, and that product is , in fact, purer (fewer contaminates), and free of poisons such as lead, chlorine, and other metals (commonly known as minerals) like calcium, magnesium, and sodium.
2. In response to the question about distilled water compared to tap water, she really shows her ignorance, or is purposely lying in order to decieve her audience. Tap water, in virtually all municipal suppliers, has chlorine added to control bacteria and viruses. Chlorine is a poison, and adds nothing to improve the water in any beneficial way. Another poison added to many municipal systems is Fluoride, which can cause severe and irreversible damage to teeth. She then says that municipal systems are extremely well controlled, and she is right. They have to be. They add these poisons, and must control them precisely or make the population very sick. Remember, if the bottled water is from a municipal source, the same strict controls apply to the water in the bottle as to the tap water. The argument, therefore, is moot.
3. The further processing to come to the finished product just improve the quality of the water. To say that the water is "better" is strictly a subjective statement. The same is true about "safer". Tap water, I agree, is usually just as safe as any bottled water. But it is either a mistake or a deliberate lie to say that treated water is not "cleaner" than any tap water. The very act of the filters removes certain contaminates, and that is "cleaner" by definition.
4. The "taste test" privided in the article shows a lack of knowledge in water product, as well. Poland Spring water is very diferent than Aquafina, and less diferent than tap water or Dasani. Aquafina and Dasani are first purified, and virtually all the contaminates are removed. Dasani adds some of tose minerals back into the water, to try to mimic the taste of "tap" water. Poland Springs is not purified, simply disinfected, and the mineral content is controlled. This makes the Poland Spring and Dasani very much like tap water in laboratory tests, ony with better disinfection controls. Remember, that when a municipality has a problem with their processing plant, and the water is bacterially contaminated, one of the options that is always suggested is boil the water, or drink bottled water. This was very obvious in Milwaukee, WI during the 1990's.
Michael Blanding is even more devious in his discussion.
Additional false statements are so bad that it is hard to imagine that he is not deliberately lying. His first comments about Ozone use is an example. Ozone is an excellent Oxodant, similar in action to chlorine, or hydrogen peroxide. But the by-products of chlorine are manifest, while Ozone leaves only oxygen as a direct result of the use. But Blanding claims that a by-product of Ozone is Bromate, which can be dangerous.
1. He doesn't say that ANY oxidant, combined with bromide, creates bromate. That includes Cholrine. And chlorine has been called a poison. Mr. Blanding is deliberately omitting anything that might not be negative toward bottled water. As well, he doesn't say that many processing systems remove bromide, and then add ozone. It would be too close to the truth, and Mr Blanding needs to avoid that.
I am sorry that this has continued so long, but these persons need to be corrected in their mistatements and outright lies.
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Posted by: pzzp on Aug 2, 2007 9:57 AM
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Psychologists will tell you about the "dynamic" of a relationship. Both the uninformed consumer and the profit-hungry merchant are at fault.
As they say: build it, and they will come, so the uninformed flock to the marketer's bullshit. Never mind water, why else would people drink caramelized sugar water? I've seen it written that one can contains the equivalent 10 teaspoons of sugar. Would I eat 10 teaspoons of sugar? Don't think so.
Whereas there may be a very few legitimate reasons for bottled water use in particular circumstances, most of the time municipal water should do.
Get educated, get smart, be skeptical, do your research. The mass marketing of bottled water was prima facie ridiculous. It just re-inforces my notion of human gullibility that here we are , how many years on? and there is still discussion.
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Meh. That's the cynic in me talking, and it's their money to blow, anyway. It's not like they don't have good healthcare or are asking the government to provide it for them, right?
It's also possible that as our cheap gas edges ever close to the price of a bottle of tap water from the soft drink industry, people will wise up.
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Please, those of you who purchase bottled water don't take this personally. This is just my opinion and we all know about opinions.
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I use the Minneapolis tap water religiously. Bottled water is only for convenience if travelling and I need small containers for me. One of these days, I will get nice re-fillable containers and drop them altogheter.
Minneapolis tap water, we have the most efficient (or was it advanced) water filteration system in North America.
Now back to figuring out bridge engineering :(
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Posted by: wisewebwoman on Aug 2, 2007 1:24 PM
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However, according to many sources I've read, the next big serious invasion (how can we call them wars?) will be for water.
We are running very very low, folks, enough for a looming crisis. Some aquifers have disappeared entirely.
And what was that again about GW Bush and his daughters buying the land over the biggest aquifer in the world in Peru?
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Posted by: larengo on Aug 2, 2007 2:07 PM
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The water companies are always finding more heavy metals (like lead) and toxic chemicals (like arsenic) than they or the people in and around L.A. would like. It's tested and monitored and checked...like the public schools are...but, like the schools, rarely meet any kind of reasonable standard of quality. Neither system, allegedly, will kill you...but that's setting the bar about as low as it goes.
There are many many people who have no alternative to either the water or the schools, and have to use them. Those who are monied or motivated enough to find alternatives to the toxicity of those public systems, take them. Why do my brothers and sisters on the left condemn those acts of self preservation instead of condemning the toxic systems that make alternatives essential.
NASA has found a way to recycle astronauts' urine to make it fresh and clear as spring water. It costs a hell of a lot...but there's not a lot of choice. I've tasted L.A. and other similar city water and while it's not exactly urine, it's also not nearly as 'potable' as the Dansani I choose to drink. (please note: we recyle ALL our plastic bottles)
The propaganda writer who wrote the initial scare article didn't mention...nor did anyone in the organizations that have seized on this issue...that the 'leeching' of these bad plastic by-products also must happen in ALL things contained in plastic; not just water. Why are we being so protected from fear of ALL those things we drink and use?
I think, once again, we're being jerked around by use of fear (just like this administration's tactic everyone loves so much) and not being given a full and fair chance at the truth of this 'issue'.
I don't live in Oregon where the tap water is truly wonderful, and don't have my own well..like some others in this forum. I don't live in my own home where I might be able to afford a very expensive filtration system. I'm in the Los Angeles area water system and want to be able to feed my need for water without all the distorted science using the politics of fear to make that need as anxiety provoking as possible. I like Dansani water...and Aqua Fina too. THEY DON'T SAY THEY COME FROM ANY SPRING OR WELL...THEY ONLY SAY THAT THEY ARE 'PURIFIED'. If that 'author' or anyone else wants to challenge the reverse osmosis process' ability to achieve a higher standard of purity than city water, let them do that....with backup data. On the face of it, such an assertion is just plain dumb.
The Bush administration has systematically destroyed every environmental, health and consumer protection agency in the government. But still we're told, "Tap water...is monitored regularly by government agencies and bottled water is not" as if that should seal the argument. Since when do we use the EPA or FDA or other corrupt acronym as the arbiters of truth? Gotta have it one way or the other...seems to me.
I'm not at all reasured by the words of those same agencies that tell us that increased levels of arsenic are 'not harmful', that the heavy metals in city drinking water 'are less than last year'...or that 'global warming is scientifically controversial".
Sorry for the lengthy rant...but I find so many disturbing distortions in this newest guilt/fear campaign I was compelled. I promise never to smoke, even on the street or in my acid shower, or ever eat a 'Fatburger' in front of a child...if these damn agitators-with-their-cause will just leave me and my Dansani alone.
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I've bought my fair share of bottled water over the years because of convenience and the fact that the alternative is sugar laden soft drinks.
On the other hand, at my various jobs over the years I've always brought a Gatorade bottle or whatever with me and filled it using the water fountain or sink. People would look at me like I was crazy.
At my current job I bring a glass cup with me and use that to drink tap water. How crazy is that? Crazy enough to keep me hydrated and save me 50 dollars a week that the retards spend on bottled water.
So finally the truth, that anyone with a head on their shoulders knew all along, comes out? Big deal. Did you morons seriously think bottled water was some kind of special thing?
At least in Europe the bottled water is usually carbonated and (probably) doesn't come from public water sources.
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Posted by: rainbowape on Aug 2, 2007 5:36 PM
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and they say this is the real thing, shame on them!!
boycott them both on the route to dismantling them.
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Blanding, his sponsoring Corporate Responsibility people...and Amy Goodman for that matter, should consider my prior post--and then consider this--taken from Amy Goodman's onair Blanding interview.
Blanding, talking about the water taken from local water supplies by these evil water mongers to sell to the the world's dummies who don't know that they're paying for nothing but the water they could get from the tap for free, said:
"They've taken the water, and then the water that they -- the waste water they've dumped back has been polluted, in many cases. And so, that's one issue..."
Well, Mr. Blanding...If all those phony balony 7 levels of purification and reverse osmosis are not removing some serious contaminants from all that safe tap water checked by the gummint.....
WHERE THE HELL IS THE POLLUTION COMING FROM THAT THEY'RE DUMPING BACK INTO THE LOCAL WATER SUPPLIES?
Could it be that it's the crap that's been filtered out 0f the municipal water supplies by these "overrated" not-so-big-deal reverse osmotic filters? The crap taken OUT of the local water supplies you feel are so well monitored because the EPA does it? The crap that is not in the bottled water they charge us dummies so much for? The crap you accuse them of dumping back IN the surrounding waters? (if you want an expose...expose THAT! My G-d, they're polluting the surroundings with the pollution they're talking OUT of our drinking water!!)
I'm tired of Bill O'Reilly's B.S., I'm tired of Sean Hannity's B.S., I'm over tired of the crime family's--- Bush and Cheney and all the rest of the administration mob's B.S.----but I am necessarily disgusted and disappointed with the B.S. generated by MY people...to achieve THEIR hidden agendas.
Crap journalism using crap science and even crappier ethics have served this scuzzy, destructive greedy, lying, thieving, treasonous, anti-law fascist administration well for the past six...really twenty seven years! Keep up the good work!
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Posted by: jaby on Aug 2, 2007 9:05 PM
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But still...common knowledge. Read the labels, folks, there is far more information there than you think. Dasani, for example, is bottled in Atlanta, says it right on the bottle. So what? Someone out there thought there was some wonderful pure spring in downtown Atlanta? Give me a break. Learn to read between the lines.
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Water is water--as long as it is relatively clean (i.e. just H2O), it makes no difference where it came from. It could come from the New York City sewer system; as long as it was purified and the final product is clean, it makes no difference.
The actual issue isn't the water, but the marketing deceit. Pepsi should not be deceitful, of course. But this article is pretending that impure marketing equates to impure water--which is bullshit.
P.S. Slapping a simple charcoal filter on your tap water will not make it as pure as water that has been treated with reverse osmosis. Fact. Deal.
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Posted by: DF on Aug 3, 2007 8:29 PM
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Also, Pepsico has never hidden the fact that they get water from a public water supply. I started buying Aquafina for my father years ago when he started going through Dialysis. I was told by his nurse that aquafina would be the best for him because the purification system they use remove all minerals. I called Pepsi to confirm and while I had them on the phone I asked the source. They told me it was the municipal water supply.
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By the 1990s, lead had disappeared as a component of new plumbing, primarily replaced by PVC. Some of the chemicals used to make PVC, such as vinyl chloride and organotin compounds are dangerous. Most of the time, these chemicals remain tightly bound to the plastic, but it is possible, in some cases, for them to leach into the water carried by the pipes.
Vinyl chloride, the building block ingredient of PVC, was discovered to be carcinogenic in the 1970s, after a significant number of workers exposed to it developed a rare liver cancer called angiosarcoma. Soon after the discovery, the EPA began regulating vinyl chloride air emissions and levels in drinking water.
In August 1976, the National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) established guidelines limiting the amount of vinyl chloride residue allowable in PVC water pipes. In response, PVC producers developed methods to minimize the vinyl chloride content in PVC, according to Alex Wilson and Nadav Malin, editors of Environmental Building News.
While PVC pipes manufactured after 1977 are safer, many public water systems continue to use pipes manufactured prior to the implementation of the new process. These older pipes could still leach vinyl chloride into the water they carry. In 1998, for example, the Kansas Department of Health and Environment (KDHE) discovered that almost 10 percent of rural drinking water supplies tested positive for levels of vinyl chloride above EPA standards of two parts per billion.
Another component of PVC pipes of concern are organotins. These metallic compounds, used to stabilize PVC plastic and guard against heat degradation, are found in about 30 percent of PVC products. Animal studies conducted worldwide throughout the 1990s have identified potential health problems associated with organotins, including birth defects, damage to the nervous system, and inflammation of the pancreas, resulting in bans or restrictions in use in some countries. In humans, organotins are known to cause memory loss and insomnia. In 1996, Canadian researchers discovered that organotins can seep from PVC pipes into drinking water. Polyethylene, by contrast, doesn’t contain organotins, making it a preferable pipe material. Other alternatives to PVC pipes are also available.
Phthalates, the plastic softener used in soft vinyl products, are not found in water pipes, which are made from rigid, "unplasticized" PVC. Of greater concern is dioxin, a potent carcinogen and hormone disruptor created during PVC’s production and incineration. Though dioxin is not present in the pipes, its emission from PVC factories and incinerators poses a health threat to everyone.
For more information on drinking water, see:
Safe Pipes: Lead in Your Drinking Water?
Safe Drinking Water: Your Consumer Confidence Report
What's in Your Bottled Water?
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While there is far less risk from PVC pipes, there is a general public health risk in the manufacture of PVC materials. To keep this risk down, choose PVC alternatives for your home. Greenpeace USA offers information on the hazards of PVC and hosts an online PVC Alternatives Database, which identifies building products that do not contain PVC. Pipe alternatives include polyethylene, ductile iron, vitrified clay, copper, aluminum, brass and ABS plastic.
The EPA is monitoring the leaching of vinyl chloride from PVC pipes made before 1977 into public water supplies with testing in Kansas, where vinyl chloride in water was discovered in 1998. Monitoring is also being conducted in rural water districts in Iowa, Missouri, and Nebraska also equipped with pre-1977 water pipes. The EPA urges individuals and water suppliers to determine if their water flows through the older pipes, and if so, to contact their regional EPA office. http://www.epa.gov/epahome/locate2.htm
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Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 4, 2007 9:25 PM
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As for what goes into the bottle -- did it ever dawn on anyone that most people might actually know that Dasani is bottled regular water? That folks might prefer consistently clean water over whatever might decide to come out of their tap today? That they know if they buy a bottle of water, they won't buy a soda that day? That the cold bottle of water at the corner store won't heat up as fast in the 100-plus degrees inside their car? Selfish, maybe, but not stupid.
What's most shocking to me is that so many folks here are basically espousing the "just trust your government to put your health first" argument. Do you trust your local government/s so much you're confident your local water is squeaky clean? Perhaps you do. I don't. But then again, my town's water plant is downstream from another town's leaky wastewater plant.
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Posted by: Darrell Kern on Aug 5, 2007 6:09 AM
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I do not buy anything from big corporations- This is not new news and it never will be. I remember back in the 1970's when Sparkletts' Water was busted for filling their bottles with garden hoses!
Wake up folks- its a little more time consuming to smart shop and support smaller businesses- but its well worth the effort. Screw big business because they make a fortune screwing you.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Aug 5, 2007 8:14 PM
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But the true blaspemy is the literal trading of fuel used in transporting water around the globe under the guise of "better, purer water". Not to mention the waste of fuel in creating and producing all the plastic bottles and shipping containers of numerous types. From Figi Islands, the Alps,The Andes, Iceland, Canadian Glaciers, Provionce, Atrisian wells in Greece. How about the gutters of Queens? Gawd, what a bunch of suckers!
While we, the materialistic industries, waste reasources at unpresidented speed in the midst of global warming and peak oil production, the world races on a run-a-way train to it own demise. All this because of a higher educated society in personal irresponsiblity.
Every individual has the ability to wake up from ignorance. Yet most insist to play social statis games like rush hour drivers lobbying for first position in an unwinnable race to attain peace of mind.
What I'm trying to say here is "Stop being sucked into the statis game", where by, like drinking commercially bottled, water somehow falsly leads people to subconsciosly believe that by drink bottle water they are part of a responsible generation that cares about the quality of their intake.
But I know there are those that really are paranoid, and worry that their tap water is less than healthy. Let me just say this. Your tap water is better than the thyphoid barring waters of Bagladesh and the lovely water resources provided to the war ravaged Iraqi population, by the good old Bush and Cheney/Halliburton reconstructionists; any day of the week. You have so little to be worried about you have no idea.
So save a few billion barrles of oil for your kids and buy a gawd damn water filter and make your own tap water right out fo the best damn plumbing pipes in the world, right here in the good old USA! ( That is until the Corp.s start charging you and taking over the public held utilities!)
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Posted by: ewingja1 on Aug 6, 2007 5:46 AM
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PS- I it doesn't say its sourced from a spring, then its filtered tap water. There, now you can go find another witch to hunt.
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Posted by: nherkowitz on Aug 6, 2007 4:45 PM
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What would you prefer, Nestle Waters, Poland Spring, Evian, Fiji or Perrier who pull down the water table for a community to have genuine 'spring' water, or bottled water from a tap that has gone through a cleaning and filtering process.
This whole thing seems to be a pile-on Pepsi, while ignoring the other people who do the same thing. Anyone who thinks that their bottled water is anything more than average water, is a fool anyway.
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Posted by: gellero on Aug 6, 2007 10:19 PM
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Another blow to the concept that democracy should rule.
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Posted by: SarahG on Aug 7, 2007 12:47 PM
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Posted by: mglenn70 on Aug 9, 2007 6:56 AM
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While bottled water companies may use public water as their source (since it is almost always EPA and FDA approved), they THEN use state of the art filtration to clean it up further, removing chlorine and other impurities.
And there is no mention that many of the issues with tap water is not at the source, but at the end of the line (consumer homes). Copper, lead, zinc, iron, dirt and other sediments, can be "leached" into municipal water from underground pipes. They don't tell you this part of the story. Or that ingesting many of these metals have been linked to various different illnesses.
Nor do they tell you about how chlorine, while a great disinfectant, may produce byproducts - trihalomethanes - that have been linked to cancer.
Bottled water ensures these things are removed from tap water, providing a healthy product for consumers.
Want proof? Go online and buy an inexpensive TDS meter (around $20 - $30). This will tell you the count of Total Dissolved Solids in water. Tap water in the U.S. will generally test in the 300 - 500 range. Aquafina will generally test in the 20 - 40 range. A significant reduction to say the least. So what are these dissolved solids? Everything I mentioned above plus a whole lot more.
And a tip - the purest water is Distilled.
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Posted by: rutlandgrl on Aug 10, 2007 8:54 AM
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labels that are there to let us know what the product is. Yes what
goes on the label is vague but its there none the less. Remineralized
water and reverse osmosis what did you think it was??? I myself
usually buy bottled water because it's clean, or because it doesn't
taste of chlorine. Its in the labels if we choose to read them. If
you don't understand it if a case of ASKING the questions before you
purchase. If you feel you were taken advantage of then stop for one
second and ask yourself if you took the time to read and do the
homework so you were in the know. My guess is probably not due to the
fact that we are living in a GET IT NOW TO GO society and this is what
we have been reduced to. My suggestion to us all is that we take the
time to know what goes into our bodies and why we buy the product then
we are better able to make those choices without regret.
I enjoy the Dasani and Ethos water bottles they are my choices and will
continue to support them. My parting words to you all is Know your
Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source
Rut
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