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Fare-Free Public Transit Could Be Headed to a City Near You
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Why do we have any barriers to using buses and urban trains? The threat of global warming is no longer in doubt. The hue and cry of the traffic-jammed driver grows louder every commute. And politicians are getting the message. San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom has ordered his staff to seriously examine the costs of charging people to ride public transit. And Michael Bloomberg, mayor of New York, recently voiced to a reporter his top dream: "I would have mass transit be given away for nothing and charge an awful lot for bringing an automobile into the city."
Consider this sampling of communities providing free rides on trolleys, buses, trams and ferries: Staten Island, N.Y.; Island County, Wash.; Chapel Hill, N.C.; Vail, Colo.; Logan and Cache Valley, Utah; Clemson, S.C.; Commerce, Calif.; Châteauroux, Vitré, and Compiègne, France; Hasselt, Belgium; Lubben, Germany; Mariehamn, Finland; Nova Gorica, Slovenia; Türi, Estonia; and Övertorneå, Sweden.
Or speak, as I have, with transit officials in parts of Belgium and the state of Washington, where fare-free transit has hummed along smoothly now for years.
Raising fares kills ridership
As even conservatives like California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger trumpet a green agenda, more people are taking a hard look at just how many of their tax dollars subsidize the private car versus less polluting buses and trains. You have to figure in roads, parking and other infrastructure, tax breaks for car and fuel companies, as well as subsidies for car-carrying ferries and federal income tax reductions and write-offs for companies that use motor vehicles.
By some estimates, the government subsidy to each private vehicle owner is about $3,700, while a common cost for providing a single trip by transit is about $5.
Yet big or small, most transit systems are scraping by or on the brink of financial collapse, paradoxically because of their reliance on the farebox. Revenue for any system drops when ridership dips or when fares are increased. Yes, when fares are increased. This is so well proven it has a name: the Simpson-Curtain rule. Most often the dip in ridership is caused by a fare hike.
To understand this cycle better, let's imagine that you are in charge of a transit system. You feel pressure to increase service or to maintain service despite increasing costs. You need to raise more money. Politically and practically, for most systems, the easiest way is to raise fares. But soon after, ridership goes down. It drops 3.8 percent for every 10 percent increase in fares, researchers have found. Which means you either haven't gained much new revenue, or worse, you've started spiraling downward.
Just one example is Toronto's transit system, which went into a 12-year downward spiral throughout the 1990s after a series of fare increases and resultant service cutbacks. The authoritative Transit Cooperative Research Program in Washington, D.C., has clearly documented how fare increases always result in lower ridership.
Fare-free success stories
Recently I met the people who run Island Transit in Whidbey Island, Wash., and rode their fare-free bus system. It's a serious operation with 56 buses and 101 vans. Ridership tops a million a year. Its operating budget is $8,392,677 -- none of it from fares, all from a 0.6 percent sales tax collected in Island County.
Despite the pressure to conform, the pressure to make users pay and the pressure from conservative politicians at all levels, Island Transit has been fare-free from day one and is proudly so 20 years later. Not one Island Transit bus, shelter or van has advertising on it. All of Island Transit's buses are bike rack equipped and wheelchair accessible. For folks with disabilities, Island Transit also offers a paratransit service with door-to-door service.
Island Transit has developed a simple policy around dealing with behavior that is unruly or disturbing to others: "The operator is the captain of their own ship." This is backed up by a state law regarding unlawful bus conduct. A bothersome rider first gets a written warning. The next time, his or her riding privileges are revoked. These privileges are only restored after completing a Rider Privilege Agreement. Island Transit has further protected its employees by installing a camera system in every vehicle. The big brotherness of it is acknowledged, but the safety of their operators simply takes priority. "Show me another transit system in Washington state," said Island Transit operator Odis D. Jenkins, "where the teenagers more often than not say 'thank you' when they get off."
Done right, fare-free transit can transform society, says Patrick Condon, an expert on sustainable urban development who knows the system in Amherst, Mass. "Free transit changed the region for the better. Students, teens and the elderly were able to move much more freely through the region. Some ascribed the resurgence of Northampton, Mass, at least in part, to the availability of free transit. Fares in that region would have provided such a small percentage of capital and operating costs that their loss was made up for by contributions by the major institutions to benefit: the five colleges in the region," says Condon, a professor at the University of British Columbia.
Another success story, a decade old, can be found in Hasselt, Belgium. This city of 70,000 residents, with 300,000 commuters from the surrounding area, has made traveling by bus easy, affordable and efficient. Now, people in Hasselt often speak of "their" bus system and with good reason. The Boulevard Shuttle leaves you waiting for at most five minutes, the Central Shuttle has a 10-minute frequency, and systemwide you never have to wait more than a half an hour.
A prime lesson offered by Hasselt is the fact that it radically improved the bus system as well as its walking and cycling infrastructure before it removed the fareboxes. In 1996, there were only three bus routes with about 18,000 service hours/year. Today, there are 11 routes with more than 95,000 service hours/year.
The transit system in Hasselt cost taxpayers approximately $1.8 million in 2006. This amounts to 1 percent of its municipal budget and makes up about 26 percent of the total operating cost of the transit system. The Flemish national government covered the rest (approximately $5.25 million) under a long-term agreement.
Hasselt City Council's principal aim in introducing free public transport was to promote the new bus system to such a degree that it would catch on and become the natural option for getting around. And it did -- immediately. On the first day, bus ridership increased 783 percent! The first full year of free-fare transit saw an increase of 900 percent over the previous year; by 2001, the increase was up to 1,223 percent, and ridership continues to go up every day.
Planning essential
So how did Hasselt make it happen?
On Jan. 1, 1991, the Flemish Authority brought together three public transport companies and joined them into one autonomously operating state company. This company's raison d'etre is to provide transport for the whole of Flanders. That was the beginning of the Flemish Transport Co., since then generally known under the name "De Lijn." This structure allows it to buy buses more cheaply, and it can even share buses among the different city and regional systems whenever they're needed.
"To be successful," says Jean Vandeputte, the chief engineer-director for the City of Hasselt, "I think that the public transport system must not be crowded at the start. Our project was originally organized to attract more passengers and to have less cars in the city center. The buses also need separate lanes, because traveling by bus has to be faster than by car, so the infrastructure of intersections and streets has to be adapted. The buses have to be modern, clean ... you need to have more bus stops. And the shelters must be attractive."
By making public transport free of charge, it became possible to guarantee the right to mobility for all residents in Hasselt. Their position was that an improved public transport system simply means a better use of the public space that will not only improve the quality of traffic, but the quality of life in general.
The Hasselt experience before 1997 was not much different than anywhere else in the Western world. Car ownership in Hasselt rose by 25 percent from 1987 to 1999, while the population increased by only 3.3 percent during this same period. Although Hasselt is the fourth largest city in Belgium, it ranked first in car ownership during those years.
After implementing fare-free transit, over 40 percent of the people visiting hospitals switched from a car to the bus. Over 32 percent of the people "going to market" switched from using cars to buses. Overall, in November 1997, 16 percent of all bus riders studied previously drove a car. It is important to understand that this was achieved by the elimination of fares, the expansion of service and the implementation of bus priority measures such as bus lanes.
Karl Storchmann, a researcher at Yale University, has documented that even the 12 percent of bus riders that were previously cyclists, as well as the 9 percent that switched from walking to the bus in Hasselt, will produce a net positive change for society, since pedestrians and cyclists "belong to the most endangered road users, [and] every decrease in these modes will lead to a reduction of automobile-caused costs [i.e., deaths and injuries]."
Because Hasselt's policy makers understand that bikes are the most sustainable form of transport, today in Hasselt one can borrow a bicycle, tandem, scooter or wheelchair bike free of charge. On the Groenplein (behind the town hall) you can also borrow a stroller free of charge for your little one (as its website states, "Handy when your toddler can't make the distance"). And two wheelchairs are available for free loan from the tourism bureau. The city's center is cleared of cars, offering instead a network of pedestrian shopping streets."
This approach has saved the City of Hasselt millions of Euros on transportation infrastructure costs, and clearly the city isn't afraid to innovate. As Hasselt Mayor Steve Stevaert declared, "We don't need any more new roads, but new thought highways!"
The costs of collecting fares
A prime reason to quit charging people to take the bus is that collecting bus fares costs a lot of money. It takes both machines and people to sell, make and distribute tickets and collect, count and deposit cash.
King County's Metro Transit System, which includes the city of Seattle and an estimated population of just under 2 million, concludes, after a comprehensive assessment, that the cost of collecting fares will hit about $8 million this year -- enough to buy 18 new buses.
A major analysis of U.S. public transit systems found that for larger systems, fare collection costs can be as high as 22 percent of the revenue collected. Another study showed that New York City's Metropolitan Transportation Authority spends roughly $200 million a year just to collect money from transit riders. What about switching to "smart card" technology? Wouldn't that save money? In Toronto, the city's Transit Commission estimates the switch will cost almost $250 million (or about 520 new buses) for card readers, vending machines and retrofits, and over $10 million a year (22 new buses) after that, which has some transit authorities saying the money could be better used in improving service.
For similar reasons, some cities have decided it just doesn't pay to police people who don't pay fares. In 1996, the Maryland Mass Transit Administration (MTA) wanted to figure out how to stop those few riders that cheat; its Central Light Rail Line was "barrier free." MTA wanted to know whether it should start using barriers in order to force people to pay their fares.
The study found that more people would pay, yes, but the cost of making them pay would be higher than the revenue from extra fares collected. Much higher. The least expensive alternative would cost the MTA $18.54 for each potential fare dollar recovered over a 10-year period. In other words, if $1 million is currently lost to fare evasion, it would cost at least $18.5 million to collect that money.
Spread the burden and benefit
All of which brings us back to the logic of fare-free transit.
Whidbey Island's transit planners did their own studies two decades ago. In 1986 they did an extensive cost-benefit analysis of collecting fares and found that either no significant revenue would be generated for Island Transit, or that the costs of collecting fares would exceed the revenue generated.
Other systems that didn't plan well have had near disastrous experiences, in particular Austin, Texas. As one study from Florida State University concludes, "There has not been a full fare-free policy instituted on a systemwide basis since the experiment in Austin. The negative consequences of these experiments, the Austin experiment in particular, have left lasting impressions on transit operators throughout the country."
But a lot of opposition to the idea is grounded less in practicalities, more in ideology.
It's a matter of faith among most transit officials, for example, that if you remove the fare, the service becomes worthless.
"Be aware that when one moves the price of something to zero, in addition to challenging capacity, one is stating that the product or service is not an economic good -- that is, that it has no value," warned one transit official. "Pricing signals value. I would suggest you keep it nonzero."
Perhaps North America's transit planners need to switch jobs with builders of roads and bridges. Those transportation essentials are, after all, usually paid for through taxes or bonds, and we use them without being charged each time we roll over them.
Imagine if a government tried to put a farebox into every car. Each time drivers took a trip, they would have to dig into their pockets to find a couple dollars -- in exact change.
And yet, we force the poorest among us to live this way. In British Columbia's Lower Mainland, one of the most expensive places to live in North America, a family traveled from a suburb to Vancouver by public transit during spring break. It cost the mother and her three sons $26 in day passes.
For those without well-paying jobs, a bus fare of any amount can be a barrier to finding work, making it to school, visiting friends and relatives or even getting food to eat.
Wouldn't it make more sense to treat public transit the way we treat most road infrastructure and pay for it all by some method of taxation?
Reality check
But before we act, let's make a few important guiding principles clear:
Taking the farebox out of any bus without a plan is just a recipe for disaster. That's the lesson from Island Transit on Whidbey Island and Hasselt, Belgium, which proves beyond doubt that fare-free systems can be safe, clean and very friendly.
Making transit free of charge won't in itself allow huge numbers of people to abandon their cars. We'll need more public transit vehicles, running more frequently, too. The decade-old experience in Hasselt has shown that investing in the service prior to the removal of the fareboxes not only makes the transition smoother, it will get people on the bus and out of their cars.
We need to pay, one way or another. There isn't a transit system on the planet that pays for itself solely through the farebox. If we want a transit system that is adequate, reliable and gets those lonely drivers out of their cars, we need to find funding formulas that are adequate and reliable.
Let us remind ourselves of what really matters. We don't have much time left to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions before catastrophic climatic changes irreversibly occur. It seems absurd, therefore, to continue to make it more difficult than it already is for people to use the bus and train.
Fare-free transit is not only feasible, it may well be critical for us to survive as a species. It can save us money, and it contributes to a much more fair, equitable and mobile society.
The only thing left to do is to let your transit providers and elected officials know how you feel. Speak up now -- for our children and for our planet.
Sixteen reasons to stop charging
Consider the many benefits:
- A barrier-free transportation option to every member of the community (no more worries about exact change, expiring transfers or embarrassment about how to pay)
- Eliminating a "toll" from a mode of transportation that we as a society want to be used (transit is often the only way of getting around that charges a toll)
- Reducing the inequity between the subsidies given to private motorized vehicle users and public transport users
- Reducing the need for private motorized vehicle parking
- Reducing greenhouse gas emissions, other air pollutants, noise pollution (especially with electric trolleys), and runoff of toxic chemicals into fresh water supplies and ocean environments
- Reducing overall consumption of oil and gasoline
- Eliminating the perceived need to spend billions on roads and highways
- Contributing significantly to the local economy by keeping our money in our communities
- Reducing litter (in some cities transfers and tickets have overtaken fast food packaging as the most common form of street garbage)
- Saving trees by eliminating the need to print transfers and tickets
- Allowing all bus doors to be used to load passengers, making service faster and more efficient
- Allowing operators (drivers) to focus on driving safely
- Giving operators more time to answer questions
- Providing operators a safer work environment since fare disputes are eliminated
- Eliminating fare evasion and the criminalization of transit-using citizens
- Fostering more public pride in shared, community resources
Bear in mind that free public transit eliminates the significant costs of fare collection and combating fare evasion. It also cuts costs associated with global warming, air and noise pollution, litter collection and garbage removal.
This article is adapted from a five-part series published by The Tyee, Canada's leading independent source of online news and views. The series was reader-funded through charitable donations to the Tyee Fellowship Fund for Solutions-oriented Reporting.
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"[Ridership] drops 3.8 percent for every 10 percent increase in fares, researchers have found. Which means you either haven't gained much new revenue, or worse, you've started spiraling downward."
NO! Those numbers result in a 5.8% net INCREASE in revenue for every 10% increase in fares; NOT a decrease.
When you run fast and loose with the stats, your general credibiliy goes to Hell.
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Posted by: fswint on Jul 26, 2007 5:35 AM
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If there is ANY place to determine what impact fare-free transit could have it is here. Recently, NYC Mayor "Billionaire" Mike Bloomberg lobbied both the state capital as well as Washington to allow NYC to try congestion pricing (whereby drivers would be charged to enter midtown and downtown Manhattan in order to lower vehicular congestion) Right now, the plan is going to be studied which most likely means nothing will happen. IF the plan is approved (and there, NYC gets $500 million in federal transit funds.
The reason why I mention this is because an organization here called Transportation Alternatives reported that for a higher fee than what the Mayor suggested, the revenue generated from congestion pricing would eliminate the need for bus and subway fares.
It's interesting that this article is published just as this issue has dominated headlines here in the city, where vehicular congestion, and now even more recently, the spector of yet another fare-hike is now on the table.
I am completely for free-fare public transit (what rider wouldn't be) so long as there is revenue generated to maintain trains and buses, rennovate train and subway stations, maintain employees' salaries, and maintain 24-hour operation that is unique amongst the urban transit systems of the world.
While it may be relatively easy to implement fare-free public transit in small cities, the real challenge is to implenent this in large urban transit hubs (like NYC). The million-dollar question is: How to pay for it? While the riding public may love the prospect of free transit, we also are under one of the heaviest tax burdens of any state and municipalicity, and I know s surely as the sun rises in the east that people here would NOT want yet another tax. To make our transit system free, that would be a huge tax.
The only way to make this prospect a reality in a large urban area is signifigantly increased federal funding for public transit and transit infrastructure. Aside from tax increases, this is the ONLY way make fare-free transit a reality.
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Posted by: MargoM on Jul 26, 2007 6:41 AM
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This is a well-documented and thought-through article. Very convincing, with plenty of talking-points for communicating with the media (e.g., letters to the editor) or public officials.
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Posted by: JBravoEcho11 on Jul 26, 2007 7:58 AM
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Oddly, when I got to the university I am at this summer they have the students pay for public transit and even the gym. That is silly. The students pay extra for everything. Fare-free is definitely the way to go.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 26, 2007 8:49 AM
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Province hasn't ruled out taking over TTC
Jul 25, 2007 04:30 AM, TESS KALINOWSKI & ROBERT BENZIE
STAFF REPORTERS, Toronto Star
The province isn't making any threats – yet.
But neither cabinet ministers nor TTC observers have dismissed the idea of a Queen's Park takeover of the country's largest transit system.
With threats of subway closures, fare hikes and bus cuts looming, questions have surfaced already about who will ride to the rescue of Toronto transit users, now that the city has ordered the TTC to cut $30 million in spending this year and $100 million the next.
If Ontario's new Greater Toronto Transportation Authority can take over GO Transit and oversee the creation of a single-fare system across eight regional transit agencies, why couldn't it also integrate the TTC?
Asked Friday whether the province would consider it, Finance Minister Greg Sorbara said, "One couldn't make that kind of decision based on a week in politics."
However, he added, "Down the road we might look at a different way of approaching the management of heavy rail in this city. There's two heavy rail operators in the province: There's GO Transit and there's the TTC. Is there a better way to combine that? I'm not sure, but I think those are the things that we have to look at dispassionately rather than simply make announcements that make everyone nervous."
Sorbara stressed the province's proposal to spend $17.5 billion on a GTA transit expansion and the already funded subway extension to York Region will still go ahead.
Meanwhile, TTC commissioners were wondering whether there's any point to building subway stations and a streetcar network when there's no money to hire operators.
Within hours of Sorbara's remarks, they had decided to study the impact of pulling out of the Spadina expansion plan.
The TTC's response led to this warning from TTC patron David Fisher: "The day is coming when this system is going to be taken away from the city of Toronto."
Maybe, but not too soon, hopes transportation expert Richard Soberman. "Any idea of a takeover or a combination (of GO and TTC rail) is entirely premature because the GTTA isn't fully formed yet."
TTC chair Adam Giambrone, who also sits on the GTTA, said yesterday that board wants to lead without rushing to take over municipal jurisdictions, and Queen's Park doesn't have a track record of taking on an enterprise the size of the TTC.
Province hasn't ruled out taking over TTC
Jul 25, 2007 04:30 AM, TESS KALINOWSKI & ROBERT BENZIE, STAFF REPORTERS, Toronto Star.
"It's hard for us to imagine the province wanting to do that. At the same time, they would be held accountable for each and every problem the TTC has," he said. But he concedes: "Nothing's impossible."
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The activist credited with helping to save Toronto's streetcar system in the '70s, Steve Munro, says: "Queen's Park has a lovely hands-off position. All of a sudden people are asking Dalton McGuinty where the Queen (street)car is, and I don't think that's a question he wants to answer."
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Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Jul 26, 2007 9:25 AM
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We first need to preserve what public transportation (roads) we currently have before we can hope to make other transportation systems public.
Once most city buses and street cars were public property. The best-documented conspiracy was between oil, auto, and tire interests which destroyed the efficient streetcars and turned over municipal transit to private profit front corporations. Now even our roads are under attack.
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Posted by: spencerh on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 AM
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If you have to get to work, the cost of transportation is a given. It'd be nice to know what these people do instead.
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Posted by: SayBlade on Jul 26, 2007 9:35 AM
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Unfortunately, TO is not getting much from the McGuinty government these days. He is losing a valuable opportunity to make good in GTA ridings to garner votes for the October election.
And, unfortunately, city councillors lost a valuable opportunity to exercise new taxing powers when they voted down the land and vehicle transfer taxes proposed by Mayor Miller.
Meanwhile, 4400 km from here, at least with the funding structure that Vancouver's transit system, shows some promise for Dave Olsen's proposal for free transit there. The TTC gets 80% of its funding from the fare box.
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Posted by: fbc21ca on Jul 26, 2007 10:31 AM
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Not to mention small business owners who have to have stock delivered by truck...
Hmm....
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Posted by: anothername on Jul 26, 2007 2:24 PM
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Several communities have fare-free zones in their downtown areas. Many other towns have drastically-reduced fare for the town center. Totally free travel is an interesting idea.
If we don't want youth or homeless, let's invest in day-long centers where homeless people can stay warm or cool, without being threatened or hassled, and provide designated school-travel buses but my attitude is that youth riding with adults can learn responsible behavior.
Let's include all auto costs when we compare with public transit, too. Bus authority bureaucracy vs. motor registration bureaucracy; transit police vs highway patrol; cost of numerous short private auto trips versus long loops of public transit - that may or may not be full of passengers.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jul 26, 2007 2:42 PM
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Couldn't all these savings somehow be directed into the cost recovery of providing "FREE" mass transit? with the remaining overhead if there is any, going to employers, employees and consumers who are now gonna be dependent on it...
It would further reduce the high cost of urban living and is definitely worth looking into!
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The US is a massively walthy country; there's just no excuse we can't get our public transportation up to, say, the level of Latvia. The problem is that there's little profit in it. (NB: European countries that have publicly run bus and rail operators have much better systems generally than ones, like UK, that have privately runned services--Central London is an exception; try waiting for a commuter train in Preston to get an honest impression of the UK set-up.)
We will pay one way or another, but we need to be in a position to decide HOW the money is spent--like everything else, the real problem is lack of democracy!
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*the buses and trains themselves are very loud inside, regardless of passengers (who only rarely cause discomfort, even the crack head who borrowed a lighter was extremely gracious and polite)
*it takes about three times as long riding the bus vs. driving
*buses limit mobility- you're required plan your day
*buses make you reliant on someone else- its 10pm, the bus doesn't come, so you end up waiting for over an hour for the next one, and of course, there is no accountability, nothing you can do.
*you HAVE TO walk, wait, wait and schlep
Should it be free? Obviously!
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The logic of this befuddles me.....'scuse me while I have another Martini.
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Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Jul 26, 2007 9:29 PM
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HERE is middle ground. middle ground is not telling me to give up 6 years of school to be a lackey like you to save the planet.
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Carfree Times link.
I now live in Tokyo, and it is standard that all companies reimburse employees for the full cost of commuting to work by public transit. Public transit is fully utilised here, let me tell you!
When I started working in Toronto in 1990, my company offered me a parking spot downtown, and as I didn't own a car, I said give it to someone else (as spots were limited). and asked that they reimburse me for a transit pass: they laughed at the second part.
We need to get our heads out of the sand, people!
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Posted by: bob t on Jul 30, 2007 9:30 AM
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So until we can dropkick the Rethugs out of governemnt control this fare free thing will never happen.
And to get rid of the Rethugs one has to stop their right wing religious enablers and the corporatocracy.
We will never stop the corporatocracy their are two religions(Mormons and evangelical fundamentalists) that totally conflate religion, business and politics) and the evangelical fundies are so vicious that an all out war will be necessary to stop them.
To defeat the Rethugs is possible. A major supporter and enabler of the Rethugs are the Pope and the right wing Catholics. That will require another war but maybe not a blood war.
I would suggest publicly attacking the Catholic Church, my religion, and embarrassing it in public. Is that likely to happen, no because the MSM is controlled by Republicans who want the Catholic votes to maintain their hypocrisy of any means for profit, no matter how many have to die or suffer.
But if it could be done ending the Catholic support for the Republican party will more than likely end Republican rule of the US and the ME and then the world.
Can the pope see through his own hypocrisy of killing, not likely. He is totally enamored with power, as all popes have been.
Still get the right wing Catholics to stop supporting the agenda of death and the Rethug Party will become much weaker, and thus much more controllable by 'we the people'.
Then and only then may some things become possible.
Also isolating the Rethug Party as the party of the south, regionalizing it, will also help.
So get the pope, and the right wing Catholics out of American politics could easily solve the problems of death and destruction that we all face.
However in mid Dec. of 2004 I got a letter to the Vatican/the Pope/John Paul II asking him to stay out of american policies and politics. At the end of Jan, 2005 the response was a public statement by the Pope that he was not involved in American politics and policies, my exact words.
But it was obvious he lied. Only four months earlier he had interfered in American politics by threatening Sen. Kerry with excommunication which threw fear into him and rallied the right wing Catholics to once again vote for Bush/Cheney/Rove; and the results of that are quite obvious, and on a daily basis as the deaths and maimings continue. So much for the pro-lifers NOT, only pro-death, pro-Republican, pro-corporatocracy asa are the Popes brethern the evangelical fundies.
The conflation of religion, business(aka binness aka bidness) and politics just ignores Jesus' admonition forbidding the merging of church and state, as does our now shredded Constitution, but then moral relativism by the Pope, the right wing Catholics and their brethern the evangelical fundies is just the cherry picking they just love to do.
No religion should ever support any political party, elstwise it descends into the slime of politics; and that is exactly what the aforementioned have done, descended into the slime of politics especially Repub politics, the worst of all.
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Posted by: UP58 on Aug 6, 2007 8:35 AM
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OK - The population figures aren't large (maybe in the service area about 30,000 people, with students included), but it certainly helps.
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Posted by: Michael Robin on Jul 26, 2007 4:43 AM
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"[Ridership] drops 3.8 percent for every 10 percent increase in fares, researchers have found. Which means you either haven't gained much new revenue, or worse, you've started spiraling downward."
NO! Those numbers result in a 5.8% net INCREASE in revenue for every 10% increase in fares; NOT a decrease.
When you run fast and loose with the stats, your general credibiliy goes to Hell.
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Posted by: fswint on Jul 26, 2007 5:35 AM
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If there is ANY place to determine what impact fare-free transit could have it is here. Recently, NYC Mayor "Billionaire" Mike Bloomberg lobbied both the state capital as well as Washington to allow NYC to try congestion pricing (whereby drivers would be charged to enter midtown and downtown Manhattan in order to lower vehicular congestion) Right now, the plan is going to be studied which most likely means nothing will happen. IF the plan is approved (and there, NYC gets $500 million in federal transit funds.
The reason why I mention this is because an organization here called Transportation Alternatives reported that for a higher fee than what the Mayor suggested, the revenue generated from congestion pricing would eliminate the need for bus and subway fares.
It's interesting that this article is published just as this issue has dominated headlines here in the city, where vehicular congestion, and now even more recently, the spector of yet another fare-hike is now on the table.
I am completely for free-fare public transit (what rider wouldn't be) so long as there is revenue generated to maintain trains and buses, rennovate train and subway stations, maintain employees' salaries, and maintain 24-hour operation that is unique amongst the urban transit systems of the world.
While it may be relatively easy to implement fare-free public transit in small cities, the real challenge is to implenent this in large urban transit hubs (like NYC). The million-dollar question is: How to pay for it? While the riding public may love the prospect of free transit, we also are under one of the heaviest tax burdens of any state and municipalicity, and I know s surely as the sun rises in the east that people here would NOT want yet another tax. To make our transit system free, that would be a huge tax.
The only way to make this prospect a reality in a large urban area is signifigantly increased federal funding for public transit and transit infrastructure. Aside from tax increases, this is the ONLY way make fare-free transit a reality.
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This is a well-documented and thought-through article. Very convincing, with plenty of talking-points for communicating with the media (e.g., letters to the editor) or public officials.
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Posted by: JBravoEcho11 on Jul 26, 2007 7:58 AM
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Oddly, when I got to the university I am at this summer they have the students pay for public transit and even the gym. That is silly. The students pay extra for everything. Fare-free is definitely the way to go.
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Jul 25, 2007 04:30 AM, TESS KALINOWSKI & ROBERT BENZIE
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The province isn't making any threats – yet.
But neither cabinet ministers nor TTC observers have dismissed the idea of a Queen's Park takeover of the country's largest transit system.
With threats of subway closures, fare hikes and bus cuts looming, questions have surfaced already about who will ride to the rescue of Toronto transit users, now that the city has ordered the TTC to cut $30 million in spending this year and $100 million the next.
If Ontario's new Greater Toronto Transportation Authority can take over GO Transit and oversee the creation of a single-fare system across eight regional transit agencies, why couldn't it also integrate the TTC?
Asked Friday whether the province would consider it, Finance Minister Greg Sorbara said, "One couldn't make that kind of decision based on a week in politics."
However, he added, "Down the road we might look at a different way of approaching the management of heavy rail in this city. There's two heavy rail operators in the province: There's GO Transit and there's the TTC. Is there a better way to combine that? I'm not sure, but I think those are the things that we have to look at dispassionately rather than simply make announcements that make everyone nervous."
Sorbara stressed the province's proposal to spend $17.5 billion on a GTA transit expansion and the already funded subway extension to York Region will still go ahead.
Meanwhile, TTC commissioners were wondering whether there's any point to building subway stations and a streetcar network when there's no money to hire operators.
Within hours of Sorbara's remarks, they had decided to study the impact of pulling out of the Spadina expansion plan.
The TTC's response led to this warning from TTC patron David Fisher: "The day is coming when this system is going to be taken away from the city of Toronto."
Maybe, but not too soon, hopes transportation expert Richard Soberman. "Any idea of a takeover or a combination (of GO and TTC rail) is entirely premature because the GTTA isn't fully formed yet."
TTC chair Adam Giambrone, who also sits on the GTTA, said yesterday that board wants to lead without rushing to take over municipal jurisdictions, and Queen's Park doesn't have a track record of taking on an enterprise the size of the TTC.
Province hasn't ruled out taking over TTC
Jul 25, 2007 04:30 AM, TESS KALINOWSKI & ROBERT BENZIE, STAFF REPORTERS, Toronto Star.
"It's hard for us to imagine the province wanting to do that. At the same time, they would be held accountable for each and every problem the TTC has," he said. But he concedes: "Nothing's impossible."
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The activist credited with helping to save Toronto's streetcar system in the '70s, Steve Munro, says: "Queen's Park has a lovely hands-off position. All of a sudden people are asking Dalton McGuinty where the Queen (street)car is, and I don't think that's a question he wants to answer."
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Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Jul 26, 2007 9:25 AM
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We first need to preserve what public transportation (roads) we currently have before we can hope to make other transportation systems public.
Once most city buses and street cars were public property. The best-documented conspiracy was between oil, auto, and tire interests which destroyed the efficient streetcars and turned over municipal transit to private profit front corporations. Now even our roads are under attack.
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Posted by: spencerh on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 AM
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If you have to get to work, the cost of transportation is a given. It'd be nice to know what these people do instead.
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Unfortunately, TO is not getting much from the McGuinty government these days. He is losing a valuable opportunity to make good in GTA ridings to garner votes for the October election.
And, unfortunately, city councillors lost a valuable opportunity to exercise new taxing powers when they voted down the land and vehicle transfer taxes proposed by Mayor Miller.
Meanwhile, 4400 km from here, at least with the funding structure that Vancouver's transit system, shows some promise for Dave Olsen's proposal for free transit there. The TTC gets 80% of its funding from the fare box.
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Not to mention small business owners who have to have stock delivered by truck...
Hmm....
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Several communities have fare-free zones in their downtown areas. Many other towns have drastically-reduced fare for the town center. Totally free travel is an interesting idea.
If we don't want youth or homeless, let's invest in day-long centers where homeless people can stay warm or cool, without being threatened or hassled, and provide designated school-travel buses but my attitude is that youth riding with adults can learn responsible behavior.
Let's include all auto costs when we compare with public transit, too. Bus authority bureaucracy vs. motor registration bureaucracy; transit police vs highway patrol; cost of numerous short private auto trips versus long loops of public transit - that may or may not be full of passengers.
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Couldn't all these savings somehow be directed into the cost recovery of providing "FREE" mass transit? with the remaining overhead if there is any, going to employers, employees and consumers who are now gonna be dependent on it...
It would further reduce the high cost of urban living and is definitely worth looking into!
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The US is a massively walthy country; there's just no excuse we can't get our public transportation up to, say, the level of Latvia. The problem is that there's little profit in it. (NB: European countries that have publicly run bus and rail operators have much better systems generally than ones, like UK, that have privately runned services--Central London is an exception; try waiting for a commuter train in Preston to get an honest impression of the UK set-up.)
We will pay one way or another, but we need to be in a position to decide HOW the money is spent--like everything else, the real problem is lack of democracy!
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Posted by: jingles on Jul 26, 2007 9:06 PM
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*the buses and trains themselves are very loud inside, regardless of passengers (who only rarely cause discomfort, even the crack head who borrowed a lighter was extremely gracious and polite)
*it takes about three times as long riding the bus vs. driving
*buses limit mobility- you're required plan your day
*buses make you reliant on someone else- its 10pm, the bus doesn't come, so you end up waiting for over an hour for the next one, and of course, there is no accountability, nothing you can do.
*you HAVE TO walk, wait, wait and schlep
Should it be free? Obviously!
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The logic of this befuddles me.....'scuse me while I have another Martini.
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Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Jul 26, 2007 9:29 PM
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HERE is middle ground. middle ground is not telling me to give up 6 years of school to be a lackey like you to save the planet.
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Carfree Times link.
I now live in Tokyo, and it is standard that all companies reimburse employees for the full cost of commuting to work by public transit. Public transit is fully utilised here, let me tell you!
When I started working in Toronto in 1990, my company offered me a parking spot downtown, and as I didn't own a car, I said give it to someone else (as spots were limited). and asked that they reimburse me for a transit pass: they laughed at the second part.
We need to get our heads out of the sand, people!
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Posted by: bob t on Jul 30, 2007 9:30 AM
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So until we can dropkick the Rethugs out of governemnt control this fare free thing will never happen.
And to get rid of the Rethugs one has to stop their right wing religious enablers and the corporatocracy.
We will never stop the corporatocracy their are two religions(Mormons and evangelical fundamentalists) that totally conflate religion, business and politics) and the evangelical fundies are so vicious that an all out war will be necessary to stop them.
To defeat the Rethugs is possible. A major supporter and enabler of the Rethugs are the Pope and the right wing Catholics. That will require another war but maybe not a blood war.
I would suggest publicly attacking the Catholic Church, my religion, and embarrassing it in public. Is that likely to happen, no because the MSM is controlled by Republicans who want the Catholic votes to maintain their hypocrisy of any means for profit, no matter how many have to die or suffer.
But if it could be done ending the Catholic support for the Republican party will more than likely end Republican rule of the US and the ME and then the world.
Can the pope see through his own hypocrisy of killing, not likely. He is totally enamored with power, as all popes have been.
Still get the right wing Catholics to stop supporting the agenda of death and the Rethug Party will become much weaker, and thus much more controllable by 'we the people'.
Then and only then may some things become possible.
Also isolating the Rethug Party as the party of the south, regionalizing it, will also help.
So get the pope, and the right wing Catholics out of American politics could easily solve the problems of death and destruction that we all face.
However in mid Dec. of 2004 I got a letter to the Vatican/the Pope/John Paul II asking him to stay out of american policies and politics. At the end of Jan, 2005 the response was a public statement by the Pope that he was not involved in American politics and policies, my exact words.
But it was obvious he lied. Only four months earlier he had interfered in American politics by threatening Sen. Kerry with excommunication which threw fear into him and rallied the right wing Catholics to once again vote for Bush/Cheney/Rove; and the results of that are quite obvious, and on a daily basis as the deaths and maimings continue. So much for the pro-lifers NOT, only pro-death, pro-Republican, pro-corporatocracy asa are the Popes brethern the evangelical fundies.
The conflation of religion, business(aka binness aka bidness) and politics just ignores Jesus' admonition forbidding the merging of church and state, as does our now shredded Constitution, but then moral relativism by the Pope, the right wing Catholics and their brethern the evangelical fundies is just the cherry picking they just love to do.
No religion should ever support any political party, elstwise it descends into the slime of politics; and that is exactly what the aforementioned have done, descended into the slime of politics especially Repub politics, the worst of all.
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OK - The population figures aren't large (maybe in the service area about 30,000 people, with students included), but it certainly helps.
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