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The Energy Solution That Dare Not Speak Its Name: Gas Rationing

By Raymond J. Learsy, Huffington Post. Posted July 23, 2007.


Is a gas rationing a viable solution to the energy crisis?
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Quite incredibly, over a span of two weeks during the Aspen Ideas Festival and the Aspen Energy Conference, wherein the themes of global warming and oil dependency were discussed again and again in various forums by formidable personages of government, the press, industry, think tanks and environmental groups, the issue this post focuses on was not brought up by a single panelist.

Speakers of exceptional standing, achievement and competence -- President Clinton, John Doerr, Thomas L. Friedman, and panelists such as Gary Hart spoke eloquently on the dangers of energy dependence and most especially and passionately on the existential crisis of encroaching climate change.

Yet here again the issue was not brought up. It was as though it has simply left the field of dialogue, or perhaps been pushed away. As William W. Hogan, Professor at the JFK School at Harvard, said during the Energy Policy Forum, talking in general terms, "People are very creative in avoiding the only thing that works."

In session after session the growing risks confronting us became abundantly clear in lectures and seminars at the Aspen Institute which I attended. These included the likes of "National Security Consequences of US Oil Dependency," "Power Poverty and Progress: How Energy Effects Economic Development and Global Stability," "Nuclear Proliferation: Armageddon of Balance of Power," "Green is the New Red, White and Blue: Lecture by Tom Friedman," "An Agricultural Revolution: Climate, Energy and the Future of Food In an Overpopulated World," "The Face of Terrorism: Global Movement or Global Network."

It became apparent to everyone in attendance at these and other sessions like those touching on China's explosive growth and growing CO2 emissions, titled "China: Emerging Superpower" that the dangers are real, they are enormous, and they are here today. That the time to act was yesterday and that today is already late in the game.

Interestingly, The Aspen Energy Policy Forum followed on the heels The Aspen Ideas Festival. The Energy Policy Forum was attended by luminaries of the oil and electrical power industry, by representatives of think tanks, industry associations, academia, Wall Street, regulatory authorities and on.

Many issues were discussed in depth and from the vantage point of those with day to day experience in the field -- issues such as oil dependence, peak oil, interdependence, nuclear power, electricity markets, renewables, demand reduction, auto fuel efficiency. These were pros, among the best and the brightest in the field.

Their argumentation was cogent, backed up by acres of charts and graphs. Much tech speak with points that appeared solid and well thought out. But then, after panelist upon panelist was heard the thrust of their argumentation began to take on a chilling dimension for me.

I underline this as a subjective opinion, but it became clear to me at least, that those with a vested interest in oil, oil production, oil and energy distribution, oil governance, are all for conservation, protecting the environment, as long as it does not negatively impact the price of oil and energy.

That a sub rosa agenda is in place, to stretch out fundamental and meaningful change as long as elegantly possible. Like, yes, lets consider ethanol and alternative fuels, but we don't really have a viable infrastructure in place, and can it really displace meaningful amounts of oil.

What is the environmental impact of all bio based fuels among such as cellulosic, corn, sugar based ethanol? Of course we support biofuels if they are sustainable. Translation, lets stay with oil as long as we can, or as long as we can ask questions that cause programmed doubt to derail the urgent development of alternative fuels and alternative solutions.

Yes, let's consider plug-in electric vehicles, but has the technology of high volume batteries been worked through as of yet? Yes, lets do wind farms but they can only generate a small portion of our energy needs. Yes, nuclear energy should play a role. But what of all those regulatory hurdles and waste disposal problems?

It's all going to take years and in the meantime peak oil is around the corner and India, China and the rest of the world is going to require more and more of our oil. By allowing markets to work, we will have to charge more and more to restrain demand. And here's the catch -- please pay attention -- we must let the invisible hand of the market work, encouraging ever higher prices for oil and fossil fuels thereby permitting those "expensive, capital intensive" energy alternatives to take hold, if, of course they work at all.

But even if they do, its going to take much, much time. Maybe we'll get some of it done by 2030, and if all goes well biofuels/biomass will make up 16 percent of a far larger world fuel component than its 1 percent share today. If the price for oil and fossil fuels become punishingly high, well you will certainly understand that's the "invisible hand of the market" once again. In a way consider it our contribution to motivating you to switch to alternatives. You needn't say thank you, but it would be nice.

The level of self satisfaction among the oil industry players was palatable as if to say "We got the oil, we are going to get ever higher prices for it, and we even have a good story to go along with our bubbly good fortune. And to top it off everybody thinks we're good guys." As Phillip Verleger, the noted oil economist put it in an Aspen Idea's seminar, that oil prices are on the march to triple digits and not with a "1" as the first number, and all that within five years. The oil folks at the session could hardly contain their ear to ear smiles.

So there you have it. There we sit like sitting ducks in the sights of the oil industry both foreign and domestic, our national security at risk, our environment in danger and our economy held hostage to ongoing supplies of oil without which, were there to be a major disruption, we would be exposed to severe bouts of inflation, ever higher interest rates, unemployment and deep recession. We are in their thrall and we have to pay their rent for years and years to come, Right? Well, wrong!

The one thing the oil patch and their allies fear is something they deem us incapable of achieving. Seriously curtailing demand for gasoline! Were we to take demand in hand as a national mission and to sharply reduce our gasoline consumption we would almost certainly:

  • Collapse the price of oil

  • Reduce our CO2 emissions in a truly significant and meaningful way
  • Free us from our dependence on duplicitous foreign suppliers
  • Realign the balance between suppliers of oil and its consumers (us)
  • Greatly enhance our national security
  • Result in the rebirth and an enormous stimulus to our automobile sector, through the steeply enhanced demand for flex fuel, plug in vehicles. We have some 230 million cars on the road of which only six million have a flex fuel capability.
  • Result in a boom to our farm belt whereby the billions we are sending to malign foreign regimes would now stay at home
  • Create an immediate boom and new jobs as our economy is forced to focus on clean renewable energy sources be it biomass, wind, geothermal, solar power along with a wave of new and imaginative technological and agricultural innovations.
  • The economic benefits of gearing up and developing a national distribution system permitting access to biofuel and plug in facilities throughout the land. We have 160,000 filling stations and only 1002 with ethanol/biofuel capability
  • Renewed interest and needed massive investment in our mass transportation system, especially our passenger rail service such as Amtrak
  • Not least, revesting us as a nation with a level of moral authority in that we, the world's most gluttonous oil consumer, will have assumed the mantle of conservation leadership.


If you haven't guessed by now what I'm driving at or from, don't despair. In earlier posts ("The Ozone Sized Hole In Al Gore's Global Warning," and "Capping America's Gasoline Consumption Through a Manageable 'Eco-Fuels' Program") I called it a "voucher program," afraid I would scare everyone away, myself included. Let me now spell it out for you and for me to see what It looks like on paper, this word that dare not speak its name: GAS-RATIONING.

By that is meant rationing of petroleum based gasoline. Consumption of alternatives be it ethanol, biomass or biobased fuels generally, plug in electric power, etc. would continue to be open ended.

The leadership for this initiative will not come from this president nor from any in his administration. Certainly not from his Department of Energy. It is an administration totally wedded to the mini step, long horizon approach and to the adage that "market forces will bring about the changes" as Karl Rove said in "conversation" with Walter Isaacson at the Ideas Festival.

"Market forces" is the bromide that the oil industry, and those wedded to its interests, including this administration, cravenly hide behind, in lieu of exercising the leadership so urgently needed to meet our existential challenges. As one Forum participant put it: "the invisible hand of the market remains invisible."

This administration's near 'hands off' policy and lack of any viable effort to immediately curb demand, and its benign indifference to the escalating price of gasoline that continue to enrich the oil companies and our foreign suppliers at the public's expense while exacerbating the risk to our national security, borders on scandal.

This while Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Venezuela and the rest of their OPEC brethren (controlling 40 percent of the worlds oil supply) have no hesitation curbing production to manipulate prices ever higher. In the oil game, as ever, the consumer is playing against loaded dice.

That they have the oil resources, while we do not have the inner resources to systematically curtail demand is what the oil industry is counting on. We must show them to be wrong, not only for ourselves but for those generations to come, including the progeny of our oil patch brothers. It is time for Congress to lead.

Oil rationing during WWll brought us a shared sense of mission and dignity to the home front. We didn't fight and win that war to now become vassals of the oil barons!

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Raymond J. Learsy is the author of the book Over a Barrel: Breaking the Middle East Oil Cartel and is a graduate of the Wharton School.

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The country won't go for that solution.
Posted by: ahmlco on Jul 23, 2007 1:58 AM   
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I know too many people who believe that no one--especially the government--can tell them what they may or may not drive. If they want an SUV or sports car that gets 10 mpg and they can afford to feed it, then they think they have the "right" to own one.

Besides, even during WWII rationing hit the common folk hardest. Try it today, and you and I will be counting gallons, while the military, our elected "leaders", and captains of "industry" will have special privileges and have access to all the fuel they want.

Maybe when gas hits $10 or $20 a gallon you'll get people to consider change. 'Course, by then Ford and GM will still be peddling the 5-to-10 year line regarding batteries and hydrogen.

Which just means we'll be giving our money to the Middle East AND Japan (e.g. Honda and Toyota).

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Tradeable Energy Quotas
Posted by: George Fleming on Jul 23, 2007 4:17 AM   
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David Fleming (no relation) has done the work on energy rationing, http://www.teqs.net/

When the stockbroker must bargain with the homeless man for enough energy coupons to fill up her Beemer, we will have begun to eliminate the system that created both of them.

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» RE: Tradeable Energy Quotas Posted by: jmndodge
» BRILLIANT! Posted by: Pirate1
remember the disabled
Posted by: Rod on Jul 23, 2007 5:53 AM   
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I am for rationing if done properly. I do not trust the government to do that. I guess that makes me against rationing.

My daughter is in a wheelchair. As a result I drive a rather large van. I have no choice. I ride a bike and MC when possible, and minimize driving, and speed when I can without being run over. Meaning I drive 5/10 over the speed limit, but that is a story for another post. But we have Dr to visit, etc. Lots of miles.

Public transport is not the answer in it's current incarnation, as they are often very late, or no show.

The price increase of gas has really hurt me. But I must drive a large van.

And still the traffic zips by me unconcerned, like a huge SUV driving herd of the fictional lemmings heading towards the cliff.

Rod

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» Witchy, McCarthy-Style Posted by: edith
Problem: The cost of oil is artificially low.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jul 23, 2007 6:18 AM   
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The problem with fossil fuels is that the opportunity cost (and now we find, the environmental cost) of wasting them have not been factored in. At the rate we are burning oil, all the known reserves will be gone in thirty-three years. This year we pumped 11 million years worth of oil out of the ground. The only cost applied is what it takes to suck it out of the earth and sell it.

In his book, Collapse, Jared Diamond describes "the tragedy of the commons," in which everyone has a stake in preserving a common resource, yet there is an outsized immediate benefit to be gained by anyone who raids that resource. This is the position we are in now.

Some measure of the true costs to society must be applied, to convince us to treat these valuable and dangerous resources as they deserve to be treated. The threats posed by carbon emissions may give governments permission where they would have been reluctant to address the "mere" profligate waste of resources by private "owners".

To me the solution is so simple, yet as the author says in this article, it is not being discussed (though I don't see exactly the same solution he does):
1. Apply a carbon tax to all fossil fuels at the source.
2. Apply a tariff to all imports to cover estimated carbon costs of production and shipping.
3. Redistribute 100% of the revenue to the American people.

This would compound the effectiveness of the incentive with both a negative and a positive component. It would reduce the arguments for the common good to a personal level which we all could understand. Knowing exactly where the tax was going would make it more politically palatable. And the tax, once in place, would be easily adjustable to match evolving economic and environmental conditions.

Most of the "solutions" that are being discussed and legislated today seem to be merely the machinations of special interests for their own gain.

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» Why would it be spent on oil? Posted by: KeepsonTickn
» Ouch Posted by: KeepsonTickn
» RE: Ouch Posted by: bornxeyed
» And to be sure... Posted by: bornxeyed
One more reason....
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Jul 23, 2007 6:49 AM   
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to increase the price of fuel.

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We already have rationing. It is called "Price", "Regulation", and "Taxes".
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jul 23, 2007 6:53 AM   
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Price is the ultimate rationing system, however one that is regressive in most cases. One of the biggest components to the price of hydrocarbon-based energy are the regulations and the taxes enacted by government. So we in the 'West' already have much rationing, the question is if this system of rationing is appropriate or if we should design another system of rationing.

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Rose Newburg
Posted by: esornew on Jul 23, 2007 7:19 AM   
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I drove during WWII gas rationing. Have wondered why it is not done now. Less pollution, less highway fatalities by reducing cars on road (especially cruising teen agers). Trains (rails couldn't be more expensive than this web of freeways) hauling cargo would eliminate this swarm of semi trucks, or 500 private cars. Yes public transportation can work, WWII I rode electric trolleys to work (and for pleasure, didn't own a car) one came by every 10 minutes, could ride anywhere in a 25 mile radius of the city for the price of "tokens"(less than a cent). A train ticket to go across whole state cost less than a gallon of gas today. Most of all rationing would stop these dozens trips a day to buy some sleazy imports no one needs, or visiting people who don't want guest.

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Gas rationing is a fair solution
Posted by: Lins on Jul 23, 2007 7:22 AM   
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Calls for increased gas taxes put the heaviest burden on the poor and the working poor. Gas rationing can level the playing field. I remember how it worked during WW II. People who had to use a car for work were allotted more gas than those who did not.
Why not try it again.

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US Automakers
Posted by: motamanx on Jul 23, 2007 7:28 AM   
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US automakers continue to produce gas guzzlers! Why on earth would they do that? If a car doesn't get at least 20 MPG they ought to pay a hefty tax. Our country's response to the oil crisis has been only to dig for more oil in environmentally fragile places, when the real answers are right under our noses: build better cars!

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» And amazingly... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Here's a BETTER solution. Get your acts together and fight to
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 23, 2007 7:59 AM   
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1. Legalize and allow INDUSTRIAL HEMP to penetrate the market even if it means replacing petroleum all the way.

2. Fund and make affordable alternative renewables such as solar, wind, geothermal, hemp, tidal, etc ...

3. Fund and make public transportation more affordable and enjoyable so that people will not be encouraged to drive their gas guzzlers. Hint: Light rail.

4. Stop condescending people for not conserving and make conservation more motivating and rewarding.

5. Make business, media, and government reform a high priority.

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"Smallworld" view.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jul 23, 2007 8:10 AM   
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Assuming the U.S. was the only oooberconsumptor, then capping per-capita U.S. gasoline consumption at some arbitrary level would result in a direct displacement of oil consumption by that same level.

Unfortunately or not, in the real world there are other countries on the planet, and they apparently like energy, also...especially if the U.S. willingly subsidizes their consumption by capping ours and driving up supplies.

I look at energy "solutions" a different way: as gasoline approaches five or ten dollars a gallon, busses will begin to look more attractive, as will public investment in commuter rail--anyone ever been to Tokyo, Singapore, or Hong Kong? Absolutely wubberly access to almost anywhere in those cities and their home countries. An initiative like the ITS, but directed towards rail penetration isn't too far off in the future, from what I see. Just--for the love of Pete--don't let the Amtrak folks run it.

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» the US is not Japan Posted by: Trazom
» Answer. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: Answer. Posted by: Trazom
» RE: Answer. Posted by: bornxeyed
» THE US TAUGHT JAPAN Posted by: HistArch
Don't wait for the government or automakers act
Posted by: pre-emptive impeachment on Jul 23, 2007 10:41 AM   
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Big oil has large say in government and supposedly with automakers. They will not support change.

I remember a story on NPR, I think it was last summer, about how the average MPG of consumer vehicles on the roads in America has increased from 20 in the 70's to 21 today. That is utterly ridiculous. The technology is here and readily available to make 40-50+ mpg vehicles.

Better yet, the technology is finally here to produce affordable (once mass produced), reliable, and practical electric cars- check Phoenix motorcars (suv) or Tesla motors (current production is a high end sportscar, but a sedan is planned).

We can not wait for regulation and what not. We are all capable of conserving gas and energy on our own.

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More pressure on US automakers
Posted by: chugach3Dguy on Jul 23, 2007 10:40 AM   
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I think a poster up above has an excellent point in singling out the Big 3 car makers here in the US. What I don't understand is how they think they can continue going doing business as usual when its quite obviously not working. All 3 are figuratively torching barge-loads of money, and yet they still crank out these monstrous vehicles with poor fuel economy. They further compound the problem by devaluing their vehicles by slapping huge rebates on them- or better yet, offering to pay for gas for a year! The argument that this is what people want seems sketchy to me, considering that Honda and Toyota are laughing all the way to the bank with the Prius and Civic, respectively.

I refuse to accept the excuses given by upper management when they had talks about raising the overall fuel efficiency ratings. With these companies as enormous and wealthy as they are, I see no reason why they can't or won't start pumping a little bit of money into R&D. Maybe if they had their heads screwed on straight, they would be able to compete directly with Toyota and Honda. Especially since I can get a smaller engine from Toyota or Nissan that cranks out a good 50 to 75% more power while being a great deal more efficient than a comparably sized engine from GM or Chrysler.

As far as gas rationing, well, I hope it doesn't have to come to that, but it wouldn't surprise me if it happens at some point. I live in Alaska where I need not only a vehicle, but a vehicle with All-Wheel-Drive just to get around during the long winter months. Its already difficult to find a good balance between winter handling and fuel-efficiency. On the plus side, I know that I don't even have to waste my time with a domestic-made vehicle.

Not only that, but I wouldn't be able to afford the rent in town where I wouldn't need a car. Housing prices up here are out of control, and need to correct themselves soon. Not everyone can afford $1800 or more mortgage payments....

Anyway, I don't know what the final answer is, but I do know that we can't continue on our current path. It also seems quite obvious that cutting into people's food supplies for bio-fuels is reprehensible. I've heard good things about switchgrass, and I'm willing to look further into hydrogen fuel-cells. Hopefully we, as intelligent and civilized people, can figure out a viable solution without resorting to idea-bashing or doom-saying.

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Gas rationing will only hasten the oncoming recession/depression
Posted by: Trazom on Jul 23, 2007 10:49 AM   
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I don't believe gas rationing will work. In theory it sounds great, get people to cut down their usage, become aware of their actions, curtail emissions, etc. But in practice I think this is flawed due to the simple fact that much of the economy of the United States is contingent upon a uber-mobile public. And when I say economy I mean all the consumer spending which makes up approx. 2/3 of total GDP. Take away their gas (albeit some of it), then you take away their wheels. Take away their wheels, and you reduce overall spending, as they make less frequent trips to the Walmarts and Home Depots. Not to mention what this will do to hotels and the entire travel industry as well. It is not hard to see what kind of effect this will have on business after 2-3 consecutive quarters.

Even if it doesn't lead to a recession/depression immediately, it will surely result in loss of profits, whch in turn will lead to a loss of jobs, swelling the already burgeoning ranks of the poor and/or uninsured.

Please someone tell me I am wrong about this. If I had to suggest anything it would be a rapid tax increase on gasoline (while re-investing that increase in renewable energies), to at least wake the majority of the people up and stir them to move one way or another. Our problem all along has been that gas is too cheap - people take it for granted. Yes I know, raising the taxes will only hurt the poor and lower class. Well all I can say is at least we know directly what the results of our actions would be, and the people who know they won't be able to afford it can start to organize (and plan for alternate lifestyles where applicable). With rationing all you have is a back-door policy that will unevenly hurt the poor and lower/middle classes once the economy starts to collapse in on itself.

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» Let's face it! Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Let's face it! Posted by: Trazom
Free auto insurance-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jul 23, 2007 11:17 AM   
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America needs free medical insurance-as the movie SICKO so wonderfully shows-and then we could also have free car insurance.

Just have the government cover all car insurance. A basic rate-for a basic car. All medical injuries-would already be covered!

Fancy rich cars don't get any more coverage. They just get the basic rate like anyone-you hit a fancy expensive car-that is THEIR problem. And the fancier and more gas guzzling -the more taxes they pay.

Think of all the insurance workers that could do something meaningful with their lives-instead of pushing endless paper. They would not have to drive to work every day! Think of the envirronmental savings.

Meanwhile -we need to work not only on designing better cars-but work on designing better LIVES-we don't need a 40 hour work week anymore. Think of the gas we would save-if America only had a 4 day work week!

Capitalism LEADS to environmental destruction. We need to start seriously developing a Socialist Society. That is where we were headed-before the McCarthy era. We need to get back on track---

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» Brezhnev was a Green? Posted by: edith
» RE: Free auto insurance- Posted by: MartianBachelor
Gas rationing is only the tip of the iceberg...
Posted by: browsercat on Jul 23, 2007 11:25 AM   
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Rationing petroleum products is more than just petrol/gas; it's also fertilizers, pesticides, plastic, and a host of other things.

Gas rationing won't help as much as considering rationing ALL petroleum based products, including plastic bags at the grocery store, plastic-encased bottled water, plastic packaging, plastic hangers, plastic...you name it.

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It’s too late for gas rationing.
Posted by: HughScott on Jul 23, 2007 12:06 PM   
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If international terrorism really endangered Western civilization as President Bush proclaims, then he would’ve rallied the American people four years ago under a banner of Shared Sacrifice, not Mission Accomplished.

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What about getting rid of the internal combustion engine?
Posted by: heid on Jul 23, 2007 1:28 PM   
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I am so tired of hearing about halfway measures, whether it's the lunacy of ethanol or a seemingly "fair" system of rationing, which can only continue the problem, not solve it.

The problem is that we're putting tons and tons of carbon into the atmosphere. As long as we support internal combustion engines, especially for transportation, it's going to continue to get hotter. So what if you drop the amount of gasoline a single person can use to even half of what the average is today? That won't begin to solve this problem.

So, what's the point in articles that talk about rationing? What's the point in discussing whether people will go along with any solution? It's long past that time now. It's time to either start solving this problem - meaning making the switch to only renewable energy sources now - or do nothing. This yammering about halfway measures is pointless. We don't have the time.

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Private jet fuel
Posted by: vertical on Jul 23, 2007 1:40 PM   
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I say we just cut out all the jet fuel for private jets. A gallon of jet fuel burned is trice as bad as gas burned in a car because of contrails and the fact the emissions from jets can't be filtered by vegetation. We can cut back on our consumtion of fuel and only the rich will suffer.

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» RE: Private jet fuel Posted by: tommy_slothrop
peak oil bites
Posted by: robde on Jul 23, 2007 2:42 PM   
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Interesting to read this from the other side of the pond (Scotland). Here petrol (gas) is already $10 per gallon for premium grade, but we're still just as dependent on cars and there is no sign of the car industry or economy faltering just yet. Cars are more economical; we have gas minis that can do 50mpg, and small diesel people carriers that do 45mpg. These are high-tech little wonders, but even these are at the tail end of the oil age. So I have little sympathy for those who use the last dregs at 15mpg, regardless. I agree with the comment on curtailing air travel; this causes global warming at X3 the rate of its CO2 emissions. Holiday in your neighbouring state, and video-conference for business; there are opportunities as well as pain ahead. Taxation or rising prices would have some way to go before having an impact. The market, taxes, or rationing: they all have the same effect. If we depend on the market, prices will suddenly rise X3 or X4 at peak oil within 5 - 8 years, and then we will know real economic pain, with a lot of bewildered and and angry people. We need to tax carbon heavily now, and educate our citizens, to have any chance of a soft landing.

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» RE: peak oil bites Posted by: heid
Mr.
Posted by: Gerald on Jul 23, 2007 3:22 PM   
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Of course rationing would work! Of course there would be Hell to pay especially form whomever put the program in place.
I was reminded recently that none other than Richard M. Nixon, SOB that he was, had the courage and, apparently the political power, to put into place a 55 mile per hour speed limit. That in and of itself would lower demand noticeably enough to affect prices.
A better way would be to limit importation of oil; make the importers pay a tax on what they are allowed to import and use the resulting income to fund public transit development.
Courage is all we need.

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» RE: Mr.Al Fiori Posted by: al fiori
It Will Never Happen in America
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 23, 2007 6:48 PM   
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Look everyone, first things first:

1. Rationing will not lower the price of petroleum. Why? Look at countries like China. They are expecting to add 100 million or more automobiles to their roads in the next decade. A few billion gallons of gas saved in the USA is peanuts by comparison, especially stretching out 10 years or more. A limited supply of oil in the world along with increasing demand equals a higher cost of petroleum.

2. The same goes for ethanol, synthetic fuels, solar, etc. Using these technologies is also not going to decrease the price of petroleum. Why? Again, it's peanuts being saved compared to rising worldwide oil demand. Prices will go up because they have to.

3. Lastly, rationing in America will be the same way it is with everything else in America. It will be done only by rising the cost of the product. As per below:

For the most money, you can obtain the best medical care, education, housing, legal assistance, food, etc. You name it, money is everything in America. Just why would it be any different for gasoline as it becomes scarcer?

Finally, America is not a socialist society and is in effect the antithesis of such. It's the land of capitalism and money. It's just therefore quite silly to talk about "rationing," as it will never happen.

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Sorry, Bad Idea
Posted by: dayahka on Jul 23, 2007 8:08 PM   
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Sorry, but gas rationing is a bad idea, not because it will not work, but because all it does is postpone the inevitable. Oil is finite and is approaching zero is a fact. To say, well since we only have half a bucket of gas, let's use less and keep it going longer is just postponing the day of reckoning when there's no more left...Another fact is that there is no current alternative to oil, there is no replacement, ethonol and other "natural" ingredients do not solve the supply problem, only the co2 problem, perhaps, while at the same time depriving us of land on which to grow food. And lessening dependence on "foreign" sources is not possible since the US does not have the means of meeting its energy needs.

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» RE: Sorry, Bad Idea Posted by: Trazom
» RE: Sorry, Bad Idea Posted by: Logic's Edge
THE REAL "Energy Solution That Dare Not Speak Its Name"
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jul 23, 2007 9:12 PM   
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Of course other forms of conservation are important, but they're utterly useless without this.

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Gas-rationing? How about baby-rationing?
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jul 23, 2007 9:55 PM   
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Oh I'm so sorry -- I keep thinking we're serious about all this.

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SEMI-VOLUNTARY rationing may be the answer
Posted by: Roadkill on Jul 24, 2007 11:20 PM   
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The interests of national and (global) environmental security dictate that we urgently:
1) limit our demand for petroleum products, such as gasoline
2) shift any highway petroleum fuel consumption to more efficient forms, such as diesel
3) stimulate the transition to cleaner, sustainable biofuels
One way that all this could be achieved is a form of semi-voluntary gasoline rationing. In this form, certain beneficial goals are attained:
Gasoline consumption/demand is curtailed and ultimately reduced.
No ration coupons or new government bureaucracy are employed.
The conservation “cost” is spread evenly across all incomes.
Fuel price is not raised, avoiding secondary impact on the general economy.
A market for alternative fuels is stimulated.
Consumer choice of vehicle type is maintained.

The proposed method uses a combination of psychology and technology. It requires (legislatively if necessary) the reprogramming of each retail highway gasoline pump to limit the quantity dispensed. Using credit or debit cards, a driver would not be able to buy more than 15 gallons from a GIVEN gasoline pump in any 24 hour period. Using cash paid at the counter, he/she could get up to another 15 gallons from that pump. Alternatively, the driver could move to a different pump. However, many / most would elect to avoid the added time, effort, and inconvenience to do so and instead would practice conservation driving techniques to make the initial 15 gallons go as far as possible.
Each year, the gallon pump limit would drop by 1, finally stopping at 5 gallons. Pumps for diesel, biofuels, aviation, marine, or private use would not be limited at all.

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Rations with a profit motive could work in theory
Posted by: cinattra on Jul 27, 2007 4:17 AM   
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Gas rationing only if I can lease my ration rights to someone else so they can buy more gas than their rations allow.

I would definitely drive less so I can profit from someone else's lack of discipline or refusal to change their habits.

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