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Despite Its Huge Flaws, Ethanol Is Political Holy Water in DC

By Robert Bryce, The Washington Spectator. Posted July 7, 2007.


The inconvenient truth is that ethanol is bad for taxpayers, bad for air quality, bad for people who like to eat, and it will have no real effect on America's overall energy mix -- too bad DC's politicians won't say anything about it.
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Ethanol is a magic elixir. It allows politicians and political operatives to promise voters that America can achieve "energy independence." In this new energy Valhalla, American farmers will be rich, fat and happy, thanks to all the money they will be making from "energy crops." Better yet, U.S. soldiers will never again need to visit the Persian Gulf--except, perhaps, on vacation. With enough ethanol-blended motor fuel, America can finally dictate terms to those rascally Arab sheikhs with their rag-covered heads, multiple wives and supertankers loaded with sulfurous crude.

George W. Bush believes. In January, he declared that the U.S. should be producing 35 billion gallons of ethanol and other alternative fuels by 2017. During a March trip to Latin America, where he signed an agreement to expand ethanol-related trade between the U.S. and Brazil, Bush said that he was "very upbeat about the potential of biofuel and ethanol."

Not to be outdone, former North Carolina senator John Edwards declared that the U.S. should be producing 65 billion gallons of ethanol per year by 2025. He claims that his proposed New Economy Energy Fund will "develop new methods of producing and using ethanol, including cellulosic ethanol, and offer loan guarantees to new refineries."

Even longtime ethanol foe Senator John McCain--who in the past has called ethanol "highway robbery" and a "giveaway to special interests"--has become an ethanol evangelist. Last August, during a visit to Iowa, the Republican presidential hopeful called ethanol "a vital alternative energy source not only because of our dependency on foreign oil but its greenhouse-gas reduction effects."

Every major presidential candidate has come out in favor of ethanol. So have the Democrats on Capitol Hill. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi wants automakers to build more ethanol-fueled vehicles and wants to see "America's farmers fueling America's energy independence."

It all sounds wonderful. But there are a bushelful of problems with ethanol, none of which fit neatly into a politician's soundbite. Of those many problems, four stand out: the massive subsidies; ethanol's inability to displace significant amounts of imported oil; its deleterious effect on air quality; and its effect on food prices.

Inconvenient Facts

First, the subsidies. Making ethanol from corn borders on fiscal insanity. It uses taxpayer money to make subsidized motor fuel from the single most subsidized crop in America. Between 1995 and 2005, federal corn subsidies totaled $51.2 billion. In 2005 alone, according to data compiled by the Environmental Working Group, corn subsidies totaled $9.4 billion. That $9.4 billion is approximately equal to the budget for the U.S. Department of Commerce, a federal agency that has 39,000 employees.

Need another comparison? That $9.4 billion is nearly twice as much as the federal government spends on WIC, short for the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, a program that provides health care and nutrition assistance for low-income mothers and children under the age of five.

Corn subsidies dwarf all other agricultural subsidy programs. The $51.2 billion that American taxpayers spent on corn subsidies between 1995 and 2005 was twice as much as the amount spent on wheat subsidies, more than twice as much as the amount spent on cotton, four times as much as the amount spent on soybeans and 96 times as much as the total subsidies for tobacco during that period.

But the ethanol lobby isn't satisfied with the subsidies paid out to grow the grain. They are also getting huge subsidies to turn that grain into fuel. According the Global Subsidies Initiative, meeting Bush's goal of producing 35 billion gallons of renewable and alternative fuels per year by 2017 will require total subsidies of $118 billion. The group claims that the $118 billion price tag "would be the minimum subsidy" over the eleven-year period. In a report released on February 9, the group said that adding in tax breaks that the corn distillers are getting from state and local governments and federal tariffs imposed on foreign ethanol (mostly from Brazil) "would likely add tens of billions of dollars of subsidies" to the $118 billion estimate.

Despite the subsidies, ethanol has always been more expensive than gasoline. Between 1982 and 2006, the price of ethanol never dropped below that of gasoline--even though ethanol contains just two-thirds of the heat energy of gasoline. That lower energy content means a car using ethanol gets worse gas mileage than one that uses gasoline.

The second problem: no matter how you slice it, ethanol production is just too small to have a significant effect on the overall energy market in the U.S.

Ethanol advocates talk about how domestically produced alcohol will reduce the amount of oil America imports. But by any measure, the total energy produced by America's ethanol plants borders on the insignificant. In 2006, the U.S. produced about 5 billion gallons of ethanol. That's the equivalent of just 215,264 barrels of oil per day. For comparison, the U.S. now consumes over 21 million barrels of oil per day. Thus, ethanol provides just one percent of total U.S. oil consumption.

Ethanol will never make a big dent in America's oil imports. And that's true even if all the corn grown in America were turned into ethanol. The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that distillers can get 2.7 gallons of ethanol out of one bushel of corn. In 2006, U.S. farmers produced about 10.5 billion bushels of corn. Converting all that corn into fuel would produce about 28.3 billion gallons of ethanol. However, ethanol's lower heat content means that the actual output would be equivalent to 18.7 billion gallons of gasoline, or about 1.2 million barrels per day. (The U.S. currently imports 10.1 million barrels per day.) Even if the U.S. turned all its corn crop into ethanol, it would supply less than 6 percent of America's total oil needs.


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Texas-based journalist Robert Bryce is the managing editor of Energy Tribune magazine. His third book, about the mirage of energy independence, will be published early next year.

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Yeah - and that is only a small part of the problem
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jul 7, 2007 5:36 AM   
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Ethanol is hard to transport, bad for your engine, and costs nearly as much (or more - depending on whose figures you believe) energy to produce as is derived from it. It is a waste of topsoil, increases the use of nutrient stripping fertilizers and pesticides and vastly enriches the right wing ADM corporation (a big contributer to Nixon's secret campaign fund which routinely provided corporate jets for republican campaigners as long as it was legal) and others of it's ilk.

Why do you think Bush is suddenly in favor of the program?

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» COMMODITY Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
Population growth control is a better way
Posted by: leemiller38 on Jul 7, 2007 6:09 AM   
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Every conception prevented or every embryo aborted saves about 1600 barrels of oil over a lifetime. Thus we could conserve lots of energy without wrecking our environment, destroying topsoil and deluding ourselves that we are solving a problem by inefficiently using oil to produce food and turning it into fuel. Half of all pregnancies are unplanned hence much of our growth is unwanted and totally undesirable on a crowded planet. The down side is that it is likely too late already.

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It's just feeding internal combustion engines.
Posted by: heid on Jul 7, 2007 6:43 AM   
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The basic problem here is that ethanol is just another way to avoid facing the need of giving up internal combustion engines. To avoid facing that, people have been led to believe that using food for fuel, when there are millions of hungry people, is acceptable. To avoid facing that, people have been led to believe that a product that consumes more oil than just pouring it into our tanks does is acceptable. To avoid facing that, the idea of electric cars, which are far from being a pipe dream, but are a reality now, is not accepted.

All sorts of twisted logic is used to support the use of ethanol. The "it's a gap filler until we can. . ." argument is utterly specious. It's diverting resources that could be used towards renewable energy sources, like wind, solar, and wave, into corporate pockets that don't care if their products are destroying the world. The idea that it's clean is easily debunked, as this article has shown.

It all comes down to greed, and that includes the average American who cheers ethanol on. The greed that says, "I have the right to do whatever I want, including driving a behemonth that belches earth-killing and health-destruction materials into the atmosphere. No one has the right to tell me what I can and can't drive." The result is what we're seeing now - the very close tipping point, where global warming takes off and cannot be slowed.

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what's the correct answer?
Posted by: minbills on Jul 7, 2007 6:53 AM   
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Nice piece, Mr. Bryce, well thought out arguments. But what the article does not tell us is what your suggested solutions are to the problem. We need to know.

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» RE: what's the correct answer? Posted by: sculptor
John
Posted by: JohnSmith307 on Jul 7, 2007 6:53 AM   
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Interesting article but I would like to see data in a form that means something. For example, set out the per gallon costs involved in making ethanol such as:

Cost of corn to make one gallon of ethanol
Total dollar value of subsidies on corn to make a gallon
Plant and energy costs generated in used in processing corn
The cost to a family of food inflation

All these expenses have to be factored in to evaluate the true cost of ethanol from corn, then we need to compare that number with the cost of ethanol from Brazil after the tarriff is removed.

Of course this approach does not say anything about the enviromental costs and they probably have a cost associated with them.

Chemical engineers make such calcualtions everyday but I have not seen the costs per gallon using a realistic calcualation.

Everyone, including Bush just spews out BS about ethanol without giving us the facts we need to know in order to make a determination that corn based ethanol is bad. If the numbers are there and they are not manipulated, even Iowans will be aware that corn based ethanol is not the answer to our energy problems.

One additional factor. Is corn produced by small Iowa farmers on small family farms or is it produced on huge corporation farms? If it is the latter, Then the subsidies are going to big corporations and that shouldn't provide any happiness for Iowans or anyone.

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The Ethanol Man
Posted by: jim_altman on Jul 7, 2007 7:16 AM   
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Here's an idea for a Broadway Musical. A so-called professor shows up in a small midwestern town promising to the show the residents how to double the value of their corn and hay by making ethanol. Even though the professor has never opened a science book in his life, he will con the townsfolk so well that they will treat him like royalty and sower him with subsidies. The theme song will be "Seventy-six tons of corn in the big distillery." The virtual clone of either Robert Preston or Burt Lancaster will be cast in the lead. Maybe rainmaking or a tent revival will figure in the story.

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» RE: The Ethanol Man Posted by: Charlie Peters
Only a Step in
Posted by: marid on Jul 7, 2007 8:26 AM   
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the right direction. Ethanol is not the perfect answer to our energy woes but it at least is a tangible acknowledgement that the problems exists. Hopefully this will lead us to other methods of energy production and usage that do a better job of freeing us from the Mideast Oil teat we have sucked so hard on for so many years.

Do we so little faith in ourselves that we think we can't solve this problem. Or have the Corpse and the Media done such a good job of spreading lies and disinformation about the issue that the average American is clueless?

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donl51
Posted by: donl51 on Jul 7, 2007 10:38 AM   
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why not grow hemp,easy to grow,offers plenty ,and won't interfer w/corn,we did it before until the nut cases and greed mongers took over lets do it again, ps.hemp doesn't get you hi ,by the way

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» RE: donl51 Posted by: garry minor
BURN BABY BURN...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 7, 2007 11:17 AM   
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Typical.

Bloody typical.

No money for SUSTAINABLE solutions... just a clamouring to BURN FOOD, WASTE WATER & provide ANOTHER Global Warming alternative...

all so more of the Earth's Peoples can be victims of pollution, climate change & dependent on *somebody making a profit* from a COMMODITY you've no business co-opting in the first place

assholes.

why not use RICE for cat-litter while you're at it??

Nobody's hungry in the World, right?
Nobody NEEDS WATER, right? Who needs DE-salination projects... let's just strongarm Canadians into coughing up WATER & deteriorating ecological resources...

all so AMERICANS CAN BURN MORE POLLUTANTS & water their Hummer-adorned driveways.

New Coca-Cola Water Deal Omits India...

Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!


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Facts
Posted by: cottora on Jul 7, 2007 11:21 AM   
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One barrel of oil is refined into 19.5 gallons of gas. The author writes as if a barrel of oil is equal to a barrel of Ethanol. Also, the US consumes 130 Billion gallons of automobile fuel a year. Iowa has 31.6 million acres of farmland (not including idle). At 163 bushels an acre you get 5.15 billion bushels of corn in Iowa. Ethanol plants turn one bushel into 2.8 gallons of ethanol (search ICM, Inc ethanol guarantee). That’s 14.4 billion gallons of a finished fuel (ethanol) in Iowa alone. Ethanol does have less BTU’s per gallon. But BTUs do not tell the whole story, ethanol combust at a lower temperature; it is easier on the car, and offers comparable fuel mileage. Ethanol plants are not given payments as the author insinuates. It is a tax credit against the fuel tax. But doesn’t it make sense? Let’s tax the substance (gas) that cost the US so much money to support and let’s ease the taxes on what the US benefits from (ethanol). There are no big checks being written to ethanol producers. Ethanol is not the final answer; it is a piece of the final answer…

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» RE: Facts and the slight of hand Posted by: Joshua Holland
Big Oil interests hate ethanol as a fuel because of loss of market share
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 7, 2007 11:35 AM   
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This doesn't mean that Big Ethanol is some kind of 'green wonder fuel'. All that it means is that Big Oil is running a non-stop assault on the very notion of biofuels, and have been ever since Rockefeller realized an internal combustion engine could run on gasoline instead of ethanol.

It helps to know the history of this. Ethanol Prohibition was largely due to the efforts of Rockefeller, working through the agency of his 'Christian Women's Temperance Movement' - one of the earliest examples of an astroturf 'grassroots movement' set up by a large corporation in order to advance their interests.

Similarly, there is some question of who Robert Bryce really represents. As the managing editor of the trade journal Energy Tribune, Bryce has a vested interest in pleasing the oil and gas industry - which relies heavily on oil imports for those 'world-record profits' that they've been enjoying recently. Bryce himself penned an article titled "Petrobras's Keys to Success" which lauded the Brazilian oil company's corporate structure.

Also prominently featured on the front page of "The Energy Tribune" is an article smearing global warming science, written by Terry Easton, which claims that it's all a big hoax... very trustworthy.

To sum this up, the managing editor of an oil & gas industry journal claims that ethanol is a bad idea, and that we'll never be able to stop importing oil into the US.

There is also no mention of solar- or wind-powered electric transportation - something that the energy industry fears far more than biofuels, since the energy source is free.

The main technical flaws with this article, besides the questionable background and alliances of the author, are as follows:

1) Many of the problems described apply to all industrial agriculture - pesticides, herbicides, fertilizer, land issues, prices, subsidies and unfair global trade rules. However, the author, instead of promoting solar/wind-powered organic farming practices, uses this to attack ethanol.

2) The energy comparison between gasoline and ethanol is bogus, and the notion that "ethanol can only meet 6% of US fuel needs" is also a distortion. We can indeed reduce our energy consumption to the point where we don't need ANY imported oil - by using efficient hybrids and renewable-charged electric vehicles.

3) The air quality issue is also bogus and full of scientific misrepresentations. When a plant grows, it pulls CO2 out of the air; if you then burn the plant, the CO2 goes back into the air. If you don't use a ton of fossil fuel to grow the plant, you don't add any CO2 to the atmosphere. Thus, sustainable, fossil-fuel free ethanol production doesn't increase atmospheric CO2 - but coal, oil and gas always do.

4) Food prices in Mexico soared because of market manipulation of the Mexican economy by huge US agribusiness concerns who used NAFTA to drive small Mexican farmers off their land, which has created a monopoly situation in Mexico, allowing Cargill and ADM to jack up prices.

The only thing this article reveals is that the fossil fuel industry has two great big bogeymen that they worry about constantly: 1) that global warming will lead to government caps on the use of fossil fuels, and 2) that alternatives for transportation will take off in the US, including ethanol, biodiesel, and even better, solar/wind-charged electric vehicles.

What's really needed is a complete overhaul of the industrial agriculture system, which uses vast amounts of fossil fuels for fertilizer production and farm equipment. Those fossil fuels can be replaced with solar, wind and organic farming practices - over the strident objections of the fossil fuel industry.

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Only two real solutions to our problems
Posted by: truthteller on Jul 7, 2007 11:35 AM   
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Pretty much the entire article and most of the comments point to the only things that will give Humanity any kind of a chance at long-term survival. First, reducing World population to under two billon, ASAP. Second, all of us in the first and second Worlds need to draw down our lifestyles to a sustainable level.

Neither solution is going to be fun. We can probably accomplish the first without offing anybody currently alive. What it means though, is that only about 20% of all couples would be allowed to have ONE child. We would have to re-invent what it means to be a family. If we could miracuously overcome all of the economic, political and religious objections to step one, then we could probably achieve the two billion goal in a generation.

I have some idea of what it would take to accomplish step two, living at a sustainable level. It means going back to a very simple, agrarian based local economic structure, where travel is usually limited to self-propulsion and animal power, with limited public transit and virtually no private mechanical vehicles. One model, presented by the group Community Solutions, is based on what has happened in Cuba due to the U. S. economic embargo and the collapse of their Soviet sponsors, who used to sell them oil and other industrial products at deep discounts. They have managed to get by, even thrive without outside help, while still having a good education system and better than average health care for their people.

Unfortunately, a lot of us can see the train wreck coming in this country, without being able to stop it. What it looks like resembles the oligarch and organized crime-driven post Soviet Russia, where a small group of very rich and corrupt elites have done very well, and the rest eek out an existance on street corners. Unless we change our basic economic structure and tax laws to create a more equitable society, those who have considered themselves at least middle-class, and even upper-middle class will find themselves literally out in the cold.

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Better solutions
Posted by: GreenDreams on Jul 7, 2007 12:43 PM   
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First, I'm glad someone pointed out that any biofuel reduces greenhouse gases because it puts last year's carbon back in the air from which it was taken, while fossil fuels take carbon sequestered for millions of years and put it into the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, the way we grow corn uses too much petroleum and petrochemicals, which erodes its greeness. Of course agricultural methods can change and as noted in the article, there are alternatives to corn.

Biodiesel is a better idea, because diesel engines are more efficient and the process of converting vegetable oil to biodiesel (catalyst plus methanol to produce methyl esters) is more efficient.

But HERE is a very cool development. Enzymes at ambient temperature and pressure can produce hydrogen from starch, fast enough to power a car. Way to go Virginia Tech.

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kaneh bosm, cannabis, hemp!
Posted by: garry minor on Jul 7, 2007 1:35 PM   
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There is only one plant on this Earth that can handle the needs we face today, kaneh bosm, cannabis, hemp!
Henry Ford built and fueled a car with it. Neither he or Diesel intended for their engines to run on petroleum. Hemp hurds are the most efficient plant material for creating methanol at 1000 gallons per acre. Hemp also will grow in area's where other crops will not. It requires little or no fertilizer, pesticides, or herbicides that pollute our soil and water, and the long roots break up and leave the soil healthy for the next crop. Currently our Government hands out billions of dollars in subsidies and tax incentives, mostly to wealthy corporations, not to farm their land. While I don't have the exact numbers it is estimated that over 150 million acres sit idle in the United States. 150 million acres of hemp will yield between 200 and 600 million tons of seed and between 600 million and a billion tons of stalks.
Hemp can also be used to make all paper, plastics, paints, varnishes, pressed board, textiles, and most building products. Everything from cellophane to dynamite. The hemp fiber is the longest and strongest in nature. In 1938 Popular Mechanics wrote that there were over 25,000 uses for hemp and that it would be the first billion dollar crop. Hempseed is also the single most nutritious thing you can eat and is classified by our Government as a strategic food source, (executive order 12919). As a strategic food source it is stockpiled by our Government, yet denied to us! Hempseed is also a healthy feed for livestock as an alternative to hormones and remnants that have caused American beef to be banned in Europe. These remnants are likely the reason for the spread of BSE in our population and food chain. BSE's in humans leave calcium deposits in the brain and can cause mental deteriorization.
Hemp has been used by man from the beginning of time, the oldest known human relic is a piece of hemp cloth dating back 8,000 years. Canvas is Dutch for cannabis. For thousands of years all ships sails, rope, and fine paintings were of hemp cloth. Hempseed was used as lamp oil for centuries. Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Lincoln, and Kennedy were known users of cannabis. It was legal to pay taxes with it in Colonial America. The War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Solomon ordered hemp rope to build his Temple. The plants history is beyond comparison.
In 1937, the first drug czar Harry Anslinger, along with the Dupont and Hearst corporations succeeded in basically brainwashing the American people to believe that cannabis was evil. They printed "You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your grandmother", and produced films like reefer madness. They even changed it's name, marijuana, to help their cause. At that time little was known about cannabis, it certainly was not a social or health problem. People believed the lie and many still do!
In 1936 a Polish Anthropologist discovered that in the original Hebrew of the Old Testament the word "kaneh bosm" had been translated as calamus or fragrant cane by the Greeks when they rendered the Books in the 3rd century BC. Benet contended through her research and etymological comparison the correct translation is cannabis. In 1980 the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem confirmed her claim that "kaneh bosm" is indeed cannabis.
In Exodus 30:23 God instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of "kaneh bosm" in the oil used to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations, including Jesus. The title Christ means literally "anointed", covered in oil. Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. There are 141 references to anointing and 145 for burning incense in your Bible.
And that is only the beginning of the story!!! Food, fuel, shelter, medicine, pleasure, spirituality!
The Tree of Life!

Peace

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Poltician-lust
Posted by: DaBear on Jul 7, 2007 3:22 PM   
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Whenever politicians lust for a singlular "fix", it's time for working folk to break out the sticks and start breaking windows and tossing rich f*ckers' furnishings onto their lawns (it's an American tradition-- A People's History of the U.S.). In other words, when ethanol is worshipped as the cure all (like "clean coal" and other snake oil schemes) by politicians in DC or in state bodies, you're about to be told to bend over and smile while you're ass-raped so some wealthy asshat idiot can get richer at your expense. That's a fact you can take to the bank (or the repo man, depending on your socio-economic status). It's time to get a clue and stop these idiots from running the place. The same logic that tells this kind of overprivileged, underworked people some sky-god or Jesus shinola can cure everything in life that doesn't feel nice, is the logic used to prop up clean coal, ethanol and hydrogen in spite of the facts. It's crap. Wake up and grab a stick, the aristocracy has gotten so stoopid again it needs another beatin'...

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While I definitely don't see the need for a second prohibition...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jul 7, 2007 4:26 PM   
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...neither do I understand the rationale that we should subsidize the moonshiners with our tax dollars.

If fuel ethanol was a workable solution as a fuel source, it wouldn't need billions in subsidies to bring it to market.

Let the industrial moonshiners use their own dollars to experiment and process, and leave them do it in the peaceful absence of government largesse.

May the best bootlegger win, if he or she can.

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One more negative thing about ethanol
Posted by: sculptor on Jul 7, 2007 6:04 PM   
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I can't quote the exact study but an analysis of the amount of carbon based energy needed to make corn derived ethanol showed that there was no net savings. The reason given was largely because of the huge amount of synthetic fertilizer that is used in the production of corn.

All things considered using corn based ethanol for fuel is stupid to the point of being evil.

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It wasn't supposed to be all encompassing
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 7, 2007 7:36 PM   
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I remember when a big push for ethanol began -- years before Sept. 11, and before global warming, peak oil and terrorism on American soil were taken seriously. The goal was to help reduce America's dependence on foreign sources of oil. That's it. It wasn't supposed to be the only solution, just part of one. It wasn't supposed to be clean energy at all. It was simply supposed to be a small piece of the puzzle.

And almost nobody -- conservatives especially -- took the idea seriously.

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Propaganda
Posted by: gellero on Jul 7, 2007 11:05 PM   
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Environmentalist propaganda.....sorry, I mean policy.... finally worked. Isn't that what everyone wanted??

Oops....not everyone.....I never bought into it.

But just follow the money....it stops at the Sierra Club's door. And don't forget to throw in some Corporate Welfare and farm subsidies.

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» RE: Propaganda Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Dear Mr Luddite..... Posted by: gellero
zazupuppy
Posted by: zazupuppy on Jul 8, 2007 12:28 PM   
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I think there is a simple concept that is missing in the argument. Oil is finite, corn and any alternate bio fuel can be grown, re-created, etc., and the pollutive effects are certainly less egregious to our air than the production of oil is to our air, water, and human life as it struggles for control of the largest of the finite supplies.

Of course, humans will always fight over control of perceived treasures. If bio fuels prevail, we will fight over land with good dirt and lots of rain.

So, it is not about the complexities and statistics that can be can be overwhelming and argued ad nauseum, it is not about pollution as our mere existence is pollutive, it is about what makes the most sense and can be produced and consumed, not just consumed as with oil.

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"You Can't Make Me": defining culture on the DownSide of PeakOil...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 8, 2007 3:01 PM   
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we cutely term it 'addiction'... King George should know a lot about that...

... but considering North American culture & economics... why are we so slow to adopt a sustainable solution?
"You Can't Make Me": defining culture on the DownSide of PeakOil...
...because all we've ever *known* in North America is *LIMITLESSNESS*... or the perception of such...

now consider: what is limitless? sunshine.

So WHY are so many people in a hurry to commodify their requirements? Because we keep seeking to 'make a killing' or 'own an industry'. or we're waiting for some Yale cabal to figure out their angle on the crisis, kill more duped 'volunteers'

Why are WE waiting to be SOLD a solution?

What's wrong with simply getting ON WITH IT & demanding your local municipality provide subsidy or tax benefits for home & business owners who go solar & provide a distributed, MORE SECURE energy solution??

...because, it might require something NEW to happen in your area? it might de-stabilize the established pecking order?
or is it sheer stubbornness? a childish footstomping tantrum that nobody can tell us what to do?

you tell me: you see,

you & me?

we're the problem
so why are we acting so DEFENSIVE when we should be taking the reins & leading the parade with big grins on our faces?



Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!


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really? you think stem-cell solutions will benefit YOUR Life?, or some corporation that won't be there in 100 years when they figure out how badly they screwed up again...
"Just because we can": Scientists call for action on synthetic biology
Sun Tzu & the Corporate Professional: Did you ever wonder who tells a corporation, “ENOUGH!”?

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The real government solution
Posted by: Mamarianne on Jul 8, 2007 6:32 PM   
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A free market economy and not government mandates will lead to fuel efficient cars and alternative fuel sources. The real government solution is to improve mass transportation both within cities and between cities. This will not only take cars off the road, it will also eliminate shorter "commuter" flights which bog down airports (especially with today's tougher security rituals) and use fuel inefficiently.

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Conserving energy is by far the most productive method.
Posted by: wmGreybeard on Jul 8, 2007 10:37 PM   
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Converting to more efficient lighting, heating, transportation systems and food production methods. None of these produces any pollution.

Buy food produced locally, use public transportation, walk and bicycle when possible.

Urban sprawl is one of the most wasteful causes of transportation inefficiency; making walking and biking more difficult and public transportation much less practical.

Problem is; how do we encourage people to conserve?????

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Posted by: ShoShenQ on Jul 9, 2007 5:49 AM   
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cant wait until I can see the average american choosing between eating or driving his big fat ass.

Thanks Mr Bush for making america the place it deserves to be.

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» RE: OUR GOAL Posted by: gellero
Francis
Posted by: Francis on Jul 9, 2007 6:27 AM   
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An embolism is an obstruction in the circulatory system, caused by a mass (embolus) which occludes blood flow, often resulting in damage to the deprived cells. If it occurs in the brain, the result is a stroke, the death of affected brain cells.

Washington suffers from diligently manufactured "science "embolisms. Facts of all kinds about the material universe which can interfere with political and financial scams are denied passage into the legislative arena so as to avoid the costly intrusion of truth into the normal flow of Washington business.

The creation and nurturing of such emboli is the work of highly paid lobbyists who "modify" the truth, miseducate willing politicians, and ,thereby, wreak havoc upon our health and safety while reaping great profits and power for the beneficiaries of their cartoon-like versions of reality, namely themselves, their sponsors and the participating politicians and their armies of dependent operatives. Carved out of the festival of benefits is the American public and the rest of the world, this due to a distinct lack of representation in lobbyist-clogged federal buildings and the piles of money blocking the doors effectively denying public access.

To witness oil company executives refusing to swear in before testifying in front of a congressional hearing, in order to eschew the subsequent pressing of perjury charges, is to witness a Roman orgy of arrogant contempt for truth and for the very concept of Americanism. This glimpse of Washington at play speaks volumes in answering the question, "why do they not know when everybody else seems to"? How convincing was Hillary that she was lied to about WMD before voting to attack Iraq? About as convincing as McCain when his opinion of ethanol fuel development converts from a flagrant boondoggle to a blessed godsend, depending upon his audience. Consider the damage caused by these lies and you can begin to measure the evil that these people do.

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What about sugar cane?
Posted by: minbills on Jul 9, 2007 8:12 AM   
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Sugar cane has been discussed in the Caribbean as a base for Ethanol. As world market prices for cane have declined, at least in this hemisphere, it seems to be a viable alternative for the former sugar islands some of which are rethinking the concept. Economically the process could solve major employment problems in the area. Might help US sugar growers as well. Comments?

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» RE: What about sugar cane? Posted by: cottora
Sugar Cane???
Posted by: gellero on Jul 10, 2007 6:32 PM   
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It would be better to make RUM......a traditional beverage, that can also be exported to other countries.

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blame liberals for being dumb
Posted by: Joe on Jul 12, 2007 4:50 PM   
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liberals are the ones that jump on these emotional bandwagons without caring about the details. liberals would have had you believing that ethanol would be the solution to all our problems now the truth slaps them in the face: lower gas mileage, higher cost for anything that is corn based, even more welfare for farmers -- primarily the rich ones.

liberals would do the entire country a favor if they stayed out of politics. in the end its everyone else that has to pay for their emotional mistakes.

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impeachment
Posted by: gsaephanh on Jul 13, 2007 1:05 PM   
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Call in your vote TODAY for impeaching Bush and Cheney at this number: 202-225-0100

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office is taking calls voting for Impeachment of Bush/Cheney at 202-225-0100. PLEASE CALL TODAY. At the toll free capitol switchboard #s below, you can also call your particular district’s congressional representative to insist that they support impeachment for Cheney. E.g., for Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s H Res 333 for Cheney; please say:

“In addition to supporting Kucinich’s bill H Res 333, I would also support a similar Impeachment Resolution against Bush, especially after the disgraceful Scooter Libby sentence “commuting” and the following issues: wiretapping, torture, numerous 9/11 intelligence misrepresentations, the continued occupation of Iraq, gross negligence during Hurrican Katrina, the Valerie Plame CIA leak, […list your other grounds…] ..”[see resolutions on tab #2 for other grounds for impeachment]).

LANIC requests that Americans call today…Not tomorrow or next week. Every call adds to the extraordinary grasswoots and nationwide movement’s pressures on House Speaker Pelosi to act now .before further innocent lives are lost in Iraq and elsewhere. Last week 28 Americans lost their lives. Over the July 4, 2007 weekend over 400 Iraqis lost their lives…

SEND MAIL TO HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI: Attn: Nancy Pelosi, House Representative/Speaker of the House, 235 Cannon H.O.B., Washington, DC 20515 ; Pelosi’s Fax # 202 225-8259

Pelosi’s e-mail address :

Americanvoices@mail.house.gov

CC her at: sf.nancy@mail.house.gov

Please send her a pro-impeachment email and a specific call to endorse H Res 333. Note: On Saturdays/Sundays, Pelosi’s office has a comment line at which you can leave a voicemail. Your message will be transcribed and relayed to her. Please do encourage your family/friends to contact the same number. Refer them to www.bcimpeach.com for the actual telephone #s & contact info.

Find out who your Congressional representative is and call that person. For toll free numbers to your Congress rep: (800) 828 – 0498; (800) 459 – 1887; or (866) 340 – 9281. You will be connected once you name your congress person. The staff aid should take detailed notes and provided to the Congressional representative.

Final Note: Please say “I support Impeachment based on ____. I’d like to know where “[representative name]” stands on this issue.” Let’s strike while the Libby fury keeps the iron hot! Please call and Act Now!

PLEASE ALSO CONTACT THESE KEY CONGRESSIONAL REPS RE IMPEACHMENT:
Representative Capitol Phone Capitol Fax
Howard Berman 202-225-4695 202-225-3196
& 818-944-7200 818-994-1050

MAILING ADDRESS FOR BERMAN
Congressman Howard L. Berman
14546 Hamlin Street, Suite 202
Van Nuys, CA 91411

Henry Waxman 202-225-3976 202-225-4099
Loreta Sanchez 202 225-2965 202-225-5859
D. Watson 202 225-7084 202-225-2422
LindaSanchez 202 225-6676 202-226-1012
L. Solis 202 225-5464 202-225-5467
A. G. Eshoo 202 225-8104 202-225-8890
L. Roybal/Allard 202 225-1766 202-225-0350

http://www.bcimpeach.com/

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Clean Air Performance Professionals
Posted by: Charlie Peters on Jul 14, 2007 10:23 PM   
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Saturday, July 14, 2007

NO on AB118

* Currently $0.51 per gallon goes to oil refiners for adding 5.6% ethanol to California gasoline. That is about $500,000,000.00 per year corporate welfare.

* AB118 may add over $1.00 per gallon to additional gasoline profits in California

* This is about the money from your pocket

* The corn ethanol waiver in the 2005 federal energy bill will lower gasoline prices, improve miles per gallon, lower oil use and improve the air.

* NO on AB118. Contact your elected officials and share your opinion

(make copies and give to your friends)

Clean Air Performance Professionals

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Clean Air Performance Professionals
Posted by: Charlie Peters on Jul 23, 2007 1:50 PM   
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How about improving the system we have?

Ask for a fuel ethanol waiver allowed in the 2005 energy bill

Fuel ethanol uses lots of water

Audit "Smog Check" to fix the fault in more of the failed cars

Chief Sherry Mehl, DCA/BAR, has never found out if what is broken on a Smog Check failed car gets fixed, never

Improving Smog Check and fuel policy can cut car impact in half in 1 year and save money

About $20 billion in savings in first year

I'm confused about promoting products from offshore rather than improving our system

Clean Air Performance Professionals

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