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Despite Its Huge Flaws, Ethanol Is Political Holy Water in DC
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George W. Bush believes. In January, he declared that the U.S. should be producing 35 billion gallons of ethanol and other alternative fuels by 2017. During a March trip to Latin America, where he signed an agreement to expand ethanol-related trade between the U.S. and Brazil, Bush said that he was "very upbeat about the potential of biofuel and ethanol."
Not to be outdone, former North Carolina senator John Edwards declared that the U.S. should be producing 65 billion gallons of ethanol per year by 2025. He claims that his proposed New Economy Energy Fund will "develop new methods of producing and using ethanol, including cellulosic ethanol, and offer loan guarantees to new refineries."
Even longtime ethanol foe Senator John McCain--who in the past has called ethanol "highway robbery" and a "giveaway to special interests"--has become an ethanol evangelist. Last August, during a visit to Iowa, the Republican presidential hopeful called ethanol "a vital alternative energy source not only because of our dependency on foreign oil but its greenhouse-gas reduction effects."
Every major presidential candidate has come out in favor of ethanol. So have the Democrats on Capitol Hill. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi wants automakers to build more ethanol-fueled vehicles and wants to see "America's farmers fueling America's energy independence."
It all sounds wonderful. But there are a bushelful of problems with ethanol, none of which fit neatly into a politician's soundbite. Of those many problems, four stand out: the massive subsidies; ethanol's inability to displace significant amounts of imported oil; its deleterious effect on air quality; and its effect on food prices.
Inconvenient Facts
First, the subsidies. Making ethanol from corn borders on fiscal insanity. It uses taxpayer money to make subsidized motor fuel from the single most subsidized crop in America. Between 1995 and 2005, federal corn subsidies totaled $51.2 billion. In 2005 alone, according to data compiled by the Environmental Working Group, corn subsidies totaled $9.4 billion. That $9.4 billion is approximately equal to the budget for the U.S. Department of Commerce, a federal agency that has 39,000 employees.
Need another comparison? That $9.4 billion is nearly twice as much as the federal government spends on WIC, short for the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, a program that provides health care and nutrition assistance for low-income mothers and children under the age of five.
Corn subsidies dwarf all other agricultural subsidy programs. The $51.2 billion that American taxpayers spent on corn subsidies between 1995 and 2005 was twice as much as the amount spent on wheat subsidies, more than twice as much as the amount spent on cotton, four times as much as the amount spent on soybeans and 96 times as much as the total subsidies for tobacco during that period.
But the ethanol lobby isn't satisfied with the subsidies paid out to grow the grain. They are also getting huge subsidies to turn that grain into fuel. According the Global Subsidies Initiative, meeting Bush's goal of producing 35 billion gallons of renewable and alternative fuels per year by 2017 will require total subsidies of $118 billion. The group claims that the $118 billion price tag "would be the minimum subsidy" over the eleven-year period. In a report released on February 9, the group said that adding in tax breaks that the corn distillers are getting from state and local governments and federal tariffs imposed on foreign ethanol (mostly from Brazil) "would likely add tens of billions of dollars of subsidies" to the $118 billion estimate.
Despite the subsidies, ethanol has always been more expensive than gasoline. Between 1982 and 2006, the price of ethanol never dropped below that of gasoline--even though ethanol contains just two-thirds of the heat energy of gasoline. That lower energy content means a car using ethanol gets worse gas mileage than one that uses gasoline.
The second problem: no matter how you slice it, ethanol production is just too small to have a significant effect on the overall energy market in the U.S.
Ethanol advocates talk about how domestically produced alcohol will reduce the amount of oil America imports. But by any measure, the total energy produced by America's ethanol plants borders on the insignificant. In 2006, the U.S. produced about 5 billion gallons of ethanol. That's the equivalent of just 215,264 barrels of oil per day. For comparison, the U.S. now consumes over 21 million barrels of oil per day. Thus, ethanol provides just one percent of total U.S. oil consumption.
Ethanol will never make a big dent in America's oil imports. And that's true even if all the corn grown in America were turned into ethanol. The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that distillers can get 2.7 gallons of ethanol out of one bushel of corn. In 2006, U.S. farmers produced about 10.5 billion bushels of corn. Converting all that corn into fuel would produce about 28.3 billion gallons of ethanol. However, ethanol's lower heat content means that the actual output would be equivalent to 18.7 billion gallons of gasoline, or about 1.2 million barrels per day. (The U.S. currently imports 10.1 million barrels per day.) Even if the U.S. turned all its corn crop into ethanol, it would supply less than 6 percent of America's total oil needs.
What about cellulosic ethanol, the fuel that can be made from grass, wood, and straw? Al Gore claims that cellulosic ethanol will be "a huge new source of energy, particularly for the transportation sector. You're going to see it all over the place." Bill Clinton says there's enough biomass to "make cellulosic ethanol all over America." Bush, in his 2006 State of the Union speech, said that he wanted to make cellulosic ethanol "practical and competitive within six years."
Alas, cellulosic ethanol is like the tooth fairy, an entity that many people believe in, but no one ever sees. Despite years of hype, there is no significant production of cellulosic ethanol, except in very small, non-commercial distilleries. Maybe that's a good thing, because the more ethanol that's burned in American automobiles, the worse the air quality gets--a fact that leads to the third problem.
The Environmental Protection Agency's website says the agency's mission is "to protect human health and the environment." And yet when it comes to ethanol, the EPA has stated in very clear language that increased use of ethanol in gasoline will mean worse air quality in America.
Of course, that's not the official story. In an April 10 press release announcing the Renewable Fuel Standard--the federal program mandated by Congress when it passed the Energy Policy Act of 2005--EPA Administrator Stephen L. Johnson declared that the use of more ethanol "offers the American people a hat trick--it protects the environment, strengthens our energy security, and supports America's farmers."
Yet on that very same day, Johnson's agency issued a fact sheet that said using more ethanol will result in major increases in the release of two of the worst air pollutants: volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxides. The fact sheet said that "Nationwide, EPA estimates an increase in total emissions of volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxides (VOC + NOx) [of] between 41,000 and 83,000 tons." It went on, saying, "areas that experience a substantial increase in ethanol may see an increase in VOC emissions between four and five percent and an increase in NOx emissions between 6 and 7 percent from gasoline powered vehicles and equipment."
VOCs Populi>
NOx is a precursor to fine particulate, which is known to cause thousands of premature deaths each year. VOCs lead to the creation of ground-level ozone, one of the most dangerous urban pollutants. According to the EPA's website, ozone "can trigger a variety of health problems including chest pain, coughing, throat irritation, and congestion. It can worsen bronchitis, emphysema, and asthma."
The negative health effects of ethanol-blended gasoline have placed the EPA in the odd position of enforcing rules that run directly counter to its stated goals. On its website, the agency says that "reducing emissions of NOx is a crucial component of EPA's strategy for cleaner air." Nevertheless, when asked about the higher emissions related to ethanol, EPA spokesperson Jennifer Wood insisted that they are "very minimal increases." She also told me that the agency has other "tools under the Clean Air Act to reduce NOx."
Wood's claim leaves clean air advocates like William Becker of the National Association of Clean Air Agencies gasping. He said the EPA is "scoffing at a 4 to 7 percent increase in air emissions at a time when agencies across the country would do anything to achieve that kind of a reduction in VOCs and NOx." Becker's Washington-based group represents the interests of air pollution control authorities from 49 of the 50 states and several territories, as well as local agencies from 165 metro areas around the U.S. He said the pollution increases admitted by EPA are "a significant amount of emissions in any location in this country. And we can't just willy nilly be giving it away, particularly when states are struggling to meet current ozone standards."
The EPA's ethanol fact sheet infuriates Debbie Cook, mayor pro tem of Huntington Beach, a city located west of Los Angeles that struggles with air-quality problems. "The EPA's air quality rules in Southern California are largely a joke," Cook told me shortly after the EPA announcement. And the agency's April 10 statement touting ethanol, she says, "makes the joke worse."
It's not just the EPA that says ethanol is bad for air quality. Numerous studies have reached the same conclusion.
In 2004, the California Air Resources Board released a study saying that gasoline containing ethanol caused VOC emissions to increase by 45 percent when compared to pure gasoline. In 2006, the South Coast Air Quality Management District--the agency that oversees air quality issues for some 15 million people living in or near Los Angeles County--determined that gasoline containing 5.7 percent ethanol may add as much as 70 tons of VOCs per day to the state's air. This means that the Los Angeles area alone would account for about 25,500 tons of additional volatile organic compounds per year--or more than half of the minimum amount (41,000 tons) estimated by the EPA in its April 10 fact sheet.
In April, Mark Z. Jacobson, an engineering professor at Stanford University, published a study concluding that the widespread use of E85 (fuel that contains 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline) "may increase ozone-related mortality, hospitalization, and asthma by about 9 percent in Los Angeles and 4 percent in the United States as a whole" when compared to the use of regular gasoline. Jacobson also found that because of its ozone-related effects, E85 "may be a greater overall public health risk than gasoline."
The Grocery Tax
While Americans are breathing more polluted air due to ethanol, they are also paying more at the grocery store, a fact that leads to the fourth problem: ethanol is increasing food prices.
Last month, researchers from Iowa State University's Center for Agricultural and Rural Development released a report that looked at how ethanol production--which consumed 20 percent of America's corn crop in 2006--is affecting overall food prices. They found that increased ethanol production has resulted in higher prices on a panoply of foods, including: cheese, ice cream, eggs, poultry, pork, cereal, sugar, and beef. The researchers reported that between July 2006 and May 2007, the food bill for every American has increased by about $47 as a result of surging prices for corn and the associated price increases of other grains like soybeans and wheat. In aggregate, they concluded that American consumers will face a "total cost" for ethanol "of about $14 billion."
Let's put that $14 billion in perspective. Last year, the U.S. produced five billion gallons of ethanol. That means that Americans are effectively paying a new tax (in the form of higher food costs) of nearly $3 for each gallon of ethanol produced. And that doesn't count any of the subsidies for corn production mentioned above or the 51-cents-per-gallon federal tax credit given to companies that blend ethanol into gasoline. Worse yet, it's not just Americans who are being fleeced. The Iowa State researchers determined that, thanks to ethanol's voracious appetite for grain, "the rest of the world's consumers [will] also see higher food prices."
Iowa Rules
Given the many problems associated with ethanol (this story provides a partial list), why are members of Congress and presidential candidates eager to embrace it? Why has such an expensive, polluting, fuel become what one critic calls "the agricultural equivalent of holy water"? There are two plausible explanations: the value of empty--but appealing--political rhetoric; and the Iowa Imperative.
Ethanol boosters claim that ethanol is part of the prescription for energy independence--a concept that polls extremely well. The idea of energy independence appeals to a wide range of voters from the left and the right. The result: almost anything that promises to move America toward that goal--a goal that is neither achievable nor desirable because of the enormous costs it would entail--quickly garners wide support and massive subsidies.
Second, it's about Iowa, America's leading ethanol producer. Any candidate who wants to win the White House must have a good showing in the Iowa caucuses, which will be held January 14. The numbers explain the imperative: Since 2002, the amount of Iowa corn going into ethanol production has tripled. The state now has some 21 ethanol plants and another 23 either planned or under construction. About 2,500 jobs are directly related to ethanol production and another 14,000--according to IowaCorn.org--are "affected" by ethanol. Those jobs are supported by huge federal subsidies. In 2005 alone, according to the Environmental Working Group, Iowa got $1.8 billion in corn subsidies--about $608 for every Iowan.
Given those numbers, it's hardly surprising that a January 2007 poll found that 92 percent of Iowa voters believe ethanol is important to the state's economic future. That's explains why "when politicians come to Iowa, they have to say ethanol is great," says Iowa State University political science professor Steffen Schmidt. Alas, what makes the ethanol business great for 3 million Iowans is bad for 297 million other Americans: It's bad for taxpayers, bad for air quality, bad for people who like to eat, and it will have no real effect on America's overall energy mix.
Aside from those little quibbles, ethanol truly is a miracle potion. Expect to hear more about it as the presidential campaign continues.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jul 7, 2007 5:36 AM
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Why do you think Bush is suddenly in favor of the program?
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Posted by: heid on Jul 7, 2007 6:43 AM
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All sorts of twisted logic is used to support the use of ethanol. The "it's a gap filler until we can. . ." argument is utterly specious. It's diverting resources that could be used towards renewable energy sources, like wind, solar, and wave, into corporate pockets that don't care if their products are destroying the world. The idea that it's clean is easily debunked, as this article has shown.
It all comes down to greed, and that includes the average American who cheers ethanol on. The greed that says, "I have the right to do whatever I want, including driving a behemonth that belches earth-killing and health-destruction materials into the atmosphere. No one has the right to tell me what I can and can't drive." The result is what we're seeing now - the very close tipping point, where global warming takes off and cannot be slowed.
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» It's pretty simple. We need to use less AND we need to cap or reduce population growth.
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» RE: It's pretty simple. We need to use less AND we need to cap or reduce population growth.
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Posted by: JohnSmith307 on Jul 7, 2007 6:53 AM
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Cost of corn to make one gallon of ethanol
Total dollar value of subsidies on corn to make a gallon
Plant and energy costs generated in used in processing corn
The cost to a family of food inflation
All these expenses have to be factored in to evaluate the true cost of ethanol from corn, then we need to compare that number with the cost of ethanol from Brazil after the tarriff is removed.
Of course this approach does not say anything about the enviromental costs and they probably have a cost associated with them.
Chemical engineers make such calcualtions everyday but I have not seen the costs per gallon using a realistic calcualation.
Everyone, including Bush just spews out BS about ethanol without giving us the facts we need to know in order to make a determination that corn based ethanol is bad. If the numbers are there and they are not manipulated, even Iowans will be aware that corn based ethanol is not the answer to our energy problems.
One additional factor. Is corn produced by small Iowa farmers on small family farms or is it produced on huge corporation farms? If it is the latter, Then the subsidies are going to big corporations and that shouldn't provide any happiness for Iowans or anyone.
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» you should also compare it to the costs of importing petroleum
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Posted by: marid on Jul 7, 2007 8:26 AM
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Do we so little faith in ourselves that we think we can't solve this problem. Or have the Corpse and the Media done such a good job of spreading lies and disinformation about the issue that the average American is clueless?
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» The goal here is to eliminate fossil fuel imports, right?
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 7, 2007 11:17 AM
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Bloody typical.
No money for SUSTAINABLE solutions... just a clamouring to BURN FOOD, WASTE WATER & provide ANOTHER Global Warming alternative...
all so more of the Earth's Peoples can be victims of pollution, climate change & dependent on *somebody making a profit* from a COMMODITY you've no business co-opting in the first place
assholes.
why not use RICE for cat-litter while you're at it??
Nobody's hungry in the World, right?
Nobody NEEDS WATER, right? Who needs DE-salination projects... let's just strongarm Canadians into coughing up WATER & deteriorating ecological resources...
all so AMERICANS CAN BURN MORE POLLUTANTS & water their Hummer-adorned driveways.
New Coca-Cola Water Deal Omits India...
Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 7, 2007 11:35 AM
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It helps to know the history of this. Ethanol Prohibition was largely due to the efforts of Rockefeller, working through the agency of his 'Christian Women's Temperance Movement' - one of the earliest examples of an astroturf 'grassroots movement' set up by a large corporation in order to advance their interests.
Similarly, there is some question of who Robert Bryce really represents. As the managing editor of the trade journal Energy Tribune, Bryce has a vested interest in pleasing the oil and gas industry - which relies heavily on oil imports for those 'world-record profits' that they've been enjoying recently. Bryce himself penned an article titled "Petrobras's Keys to Success" which lauded the Brazilian oil company's corporate structure.
Also prominently featured on the front page of "The Energy Tribune" is an article smearing global warming science, written by Terry Easton, which claims that it's all a big hoax... very trustworthy.
To sum this up, the managing editor of an oil & gas industry journal claims that ethanol is a bad idea, and that we'll never be able to stop importing oil into the US.
There is also no mention of solar- or wind-powered electric transportation - something that the energy industry fears far more than biofuels, since the energy source is free.
The main technical flaws with this article, besides the questionable background and alliances of the author, are as follows:
1) Many of the problems described apply to all industrial agriculture - pesticides, herbicides, fertilizer, land issues, prices, subsidies and unfair global trade rules. However, the author, instead of promoting solar/wind-powered organic farming practices, uses this to attack ethanol.
2) The energy comparison between gasoline and ethanol is bogus, and the notion that "ethanol can only meet 6% of US fuel needs" is also a distortion. We can indeed reduce our energy consumption to the point where we don't need ANY imported oil - by using efficient hybrids and renewable-charged electric vehicles.
3) The air quality issue is also bogus and full of scientific misrepresentations. When a plant grows, it pulls CO2 out of the air; if you then burn the plant, the CO2 goes back into the air. If you don't use a ton of fossil fuel to grow the plant, you don't add any CO2 to the atmosphere. Thus, sustainable, fossil-fuel free ethanol production doesn't increase atmospheric CO2 - but coal, oil and gas always do.
4) Food prices in Mexico soared because of market manipulation of the Mexican economy by huge US agribusiness concerns who used NAFTA to drive small Mexican farmers off their land, which has created a monopoly situation in Mexico, allowing Cargill and ADM to jack up prices.
The only thing this article reveals is that the fossil fuel industry has two great big bogeymen that they worry about constantly: 1) that global warming will lead to government caps on the use of fossil fuels, and 2) that alternatives for transportation will take off in the US, including ethanol, biodiesel, and even better, solar/wind-charged electric vehicles.
What's really needed is a complete overhaul of the industrial agriculture system, which uses vast amounts of fossil fuels for fertilizer production and farm equipment. Those fossil fuels can be replaced with solar, wind and organic farming practices - over the strident objections of the fossil fuel industry.
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Posted by: truthteller on Jul 7, 2007 11:35 AM
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Neither solution is going to be fun. We can probably accomplish the first without offing anybody currently alive. What it means though, is that only about 20% of all couples would be allowed to have ONE child. We would have to re-invent what it means to be a family. If we could miracuously overcome all of the economic, political and religious objections to step one, then we could probably achieve the two billion goal in a generation.
I have some idea of what it would take to accomplish step two, living at a sustainable level. It means going back to a very simple, agrarian based local economic structure, where travel is usually limited to self-propulsion and animal power, with limited public transit and virtually no private mechanical vehicles. One model, presented by the group Community Solutions, is based on what has happened in Cuba due to the U. S. economic embargo and the collapse of their Soviet sponsors, who used to sell them oil and other industrial products at deep discounts. They have managed to get by, even thrive without outside help, while still having a good education system and better than average health care for their people.
Unfortunately, a lot of us can see the train wreck coming in this country, without being able to stop it. What it looks like resembles the oligarch and organized crime-driven post Soviet Russia, where a small group of very rich and corrupt elites have done very well, and the rest eek out an existance on street corners. Unless we change our basic economic structure and tax laws to create a more equitable society, those who have considered themselves at least middle-class, and even upper-middle class will find themselves literally out in the cold.
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» The pragmatic solution: we need a ban on coal and on foreign oil imports.
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Posted by: GreenDreams on Jul 7, 2007 12:43 PM
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Unfortunately, the way we grow corn uses too much petroleum and petrochemicals, which erodes its greeness. Of course agricultural methods can change and as noted in the article, there are alternatives to corn.
Biodiesel is a better idea, because diesel engines are more efficient and the process of converting vegetable oil to biodiesel (catalyst plus methanol to produce methyl esters) is more efficient.
But HERE is a very cool development. Enzymes at ambient temperature and pressure can produce hydrogen from starch, fast enough to power a car. Way to go Virginia Tech.
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Posted by: garry minor on Jul 7, 2007 1:35 PM
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Henry Ford built and fueled a car with it. Neither he or Diesel intended for their engines to run on petroleum. Hemp hurds are the most efficient plant material for creating methanol at 1000 gallons per acre. Hemp also will grow in area's where other crops will not. It requires little or no fertilizer, pesticides, or herbicides that pollute our soil and water, and the long roots break up and leave the soil healthy for the next crop. Currently our Government hands out billions of dollars in subsidies and tax incentives, mostly to wealthy corporations, not to farm their land. While I don't have the exact numbers it is estimated that over 150 million acres sit idle in the United States. 150 million acres of hemp will yield between 200 and 600 million tons of seed and between 600 million and a billion tons of stalks.
Hemp can also be used to make all paper, plastics, paints, varnishes, pressed board, textiles, and most building products. Everything from cellophane to dynamite. The hemp fiber is the longest and strongest in nature. In 1938 Popular Mechanics wrote that there were over 25,000 uses for hemp and that it would be the first billion dollar crop. Hempseed is also the single most nutritious thing you can eat and is classified by our Government as a strategic food source, (executive order 12919). As a strategic food source it is stockpiled by our Government, yet denied to us! Hempseed is also a healthy feed for livestock as an alternative to hormones and remnants that have caused American beef to be banned in Europe. These remnants are likely the reason for the spread of BSE in our population and food chain. BSE's in humans leave calcium deposits in the brain and can cause mental deteriorization.
Hemp has been used by man from the beginning of time, the oldest known human relic is a piece of hemp cloth dating back 8,000 years. Canvas is Dutch for cannabis. For thousands of years all ships sails, rope, and fine paintings were of hemp cloth. Hempseed was used as lamp oil for centuries. Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Lincoln, and Kennedy were known users of cannabis. It was legal to pay taxes with it in Colonial America. The War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Solomon ordered hemp rope to build his Temple. The plants history is beyond comparison.
In 1937, the first drug czar Harry Anslinger, along with the Dupont and Hearst corporations succeeded in basically brainwashing the American people to believe that cannabis was evil. They printed "You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your grandmother", and produced films like reefer madness. They even changed it's name, marijuana, to help their cause. At that time little was known about cannabis, it certainly was not a social or health problem. People believed the lie and many still do!
In 1936 a Polish Anthropologist discovered that in the original Hebrew of the Old Testament the word "kaneh bosm" had been translated as calamus or fragrant cane by the Greeks when they rendered the Books in the 3rd century BC. Benet contended through her research and etymological comparison the correct translation is cannabis. In 1980 the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem confirmed her claim that "kaneh bosm" is indeed cannabis.
In Exodus 30:23 God instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of "kaneh bosm" in the oil used to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations, including Jesus. The title Christ means literally "anointed", covered in oil. Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. There are 141 references to anointing and 145 for burning incense in your Bible.
And that is only the beginning of the story!!! Food, fuel, shelter, medicine, pleasure, spirituality!
The Tree of Life!
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» Cannabis could stop, and perhaps reverse, global warming.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jul 7, 2007 3:22 PM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jul 7, 2007 4:26 PM
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If fuel ethanol was a workable solution as a fuel source, it wouldn't need billions in subsidies to bring it to market.
Let the industrial moonshiners use their own dollars to experiment and process, and leave them do it in the peaceful absence of government largesse.
May the best bootlegger win, if he or she can.
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Posted by: sculptor on Jul 7, 2007 6:04 PM
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All things considered using corn based ethanol for fuel is stupid to the point of being evil.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 7, 2007 7:36 PM
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And almost nobody -- conservatives especially -- took the idea seriously.
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 7, 2007 11:05 PM
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Oops....not everyone.....I never bought into it.
But just follow the money....it stops at the Sierra Club's door. And don't forget to throw in some Corporate Welfare and farm subsidies.
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Posted by: zazupuppy on Jul 8, 2007 12:28 PM
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Of course, humans will always fight over control of perceived treasures. If bio fuels prevail, we will fight over land with good dirt and lots of rain.
So, it is not about the complexities and statistics that can be can be overwhelming and argued ad nauseum, it is not about pollution as our mere existence is pollutive, it is about what makes the most sense and can be produced and consumed, not just consumed as with oil.
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... but considering North American culture & economics... why are we so slow to adopt a sustainable solution?
"You Can't Make Me": defining culture on the DownSide of PeakOil...
...because all we've ever *known* in North America is *LIMITLESSNESS*... or the perception of such...
now consider: what is limitless? sunshine.
So WHY are so many people in a hurry to commodify their requirements? Because we keep seeking to 'make a killing' or 'own an industry'. or we're waiting for some Yale cabal to figure out their angle on the crisis, kill more duped 'volunteers'
Why are WE waiting to be SOLD a solution?
What's wrong with simply getting ON WITH IT & demanding your local municipality provide subsidy or tax benefits for home & business owners who go solar & provide a distributed, MORE SECURE energy solution??
...because, it might require something NEW to happen in your area? it might de-stabilize the established pecking order?
or is it sheer stubbornness? a childish footstomping tantrum that nobody can tell us what to do?
you tell me: you see,
you & me?
we're the problem
so why are we acting so DEFENSIVE when we should be taking the reins & leading the parade with big grins on our faces?
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DO YOU think you can afford to LEASE a LIVER?
really? you think stem-cell solutions will benefit YOUR Life?, or some corporation that won't be there in 100 years when they figure out how badly they screwed up again...
"Just because we can": Scientists call for action on synthetic biology
Sun Tzu & the Corporate Professional: Did you ever wonder who tells a corporation, “ENOUGH!”?
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Posted by: wmGreybeard on Jul 8, 2007 10:37 PM
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Buy food produced locally, use public transportation, walk and bicycle when possible.
Urban sprawl is one of the most wasteful causes of transportation inefficiency; making walking and biking more difficult and public transportation much less practical.
Problem is; how do we encourage people to conserve?????
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Posted by: ShoShenQ on Jul 9, 2007 5:49 AM
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Thanks Mr Bush for making america the place it deserves to be.
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Posted by: Francis on Jul 9, 2007 6:27 AM
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Washington suffers from diligently manufactured "science "embolisms. Facts of all kinds about the material universe which can interfere with political and financial scams are denied passage into the legislative arena so as to avoid the costly intrusion of truth into the normal flow of Washington business.
The creation and nurturing of such emboli is the work of highly paid lobbyists who "modify" the truth, miseducate willing politicians, and ,thereby, wreak havoc upon our health and safety while reaping great profits and power for the beneficiaries of their cartoon-like versions of reality, namely themselves, their sponsors and the participating politicians and their armies of dependent operatives. Carved out of the festival of benefits is the American public and the rest of the world, this due to a distinct lack of representation in lobbyist-clogged federal buildings and the piles of money blocking the doors effectively denying public access.
To witness oil company executives refusing to swear in before testifying in front of a congressional hearing, in order to eschew the subsequent pressing of perjury charges, is to witness a Roman orgy of arrogant contempt for truth and for the very concept of Americanism. This glimpse of Washington at play speaks volumes in answering the question, "why do they not know when everybody else seems to"? How convincing was Hillary that she was lied to about WMD before voting to attack Iraq? About as convincing as McCain when his opinion of ethanol fuel development converts from a flagrant boondoggle to a blessed godsend, depending upon his audience. Consider the damage caused by these lies and you can begin to measure the evil that these people do.
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Posted by: Joe on Jul 12, 2007 4:50 PM
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liberals would do the entire country a favor if they stayed out of politics. in the end its everyone else that has to pay for their emotional mistakes.
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office is taking calls voting for Impeachment of Bush/Cheney at 202-225-0100. PLEASE CALL TODAY. At the toll free capitol switchboard #s below, you can also call your particular district’s congressional representative to insist that they support impeachment for Cheney. E.g., for Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s H Res 333 for Cheney; please say:
“In addition to supporting Kucinich’s bill H Res 333, I would also support a similar Impeachment Resolution against Bush, especially after the disgraceful Scooter Libby sentence “commuting” and the following issues: wiretapping, torture, numerous 9/11 intelligence misrepresentations, the continued occupation of Iraq, gross negligence during Hurrican Katrina, the Valerie Plame CIA leak, […list your other grounds…] ..”[see resolutions on tab #2 for other grounds for impeachment]).
LANIC requests that Americans call today…Not tomorrow or next week. Every call adds to the extraordinary grasswoots and nationwide movement’s pressures on House Speaker Pelosi to act now .before further innocent lives are lost in Iraq and elsewhere. Last week 28 Americans lost their lives. Over the July 4, 2007 weekend over 400 Iraqis lost their lives…
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Find out who your Congressional representative is and call that person. For toll free numbers to your Congress rep: (800) 828 – 0498; (800) 459 – 1887; or (866) 340 – 9281. You will be connected once you name your congress person. The staff aid should take detailed notes and provided to the Congressional representative.
Final Note: Please say “I support Impeachment based on ____. I’d like to know where “[representative name]” stands on this issue.” Let’s strike while the Libby fury keeps the iron hot! Please call and Act Now!
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Posted by: Charlie Peters on Jul 14, 2007 10:23 PM
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NO on AB118
* Currently $0.51 per gallon goes to oil refiners for adding 5.6% ethanol to California gasoline. That is about $500,000,000.00 per year corporate welfare.
* AB118 may add over $1.00 per gallon to additional gasoline profits in California
* This is about the money from your pocket
* The corn ethanol waiver in the 2005 federal energy bill will lower gasoline prices, improve miles per gallon, lower oil use and improve the air.
* NO on AB118. Contact your elected officials and share your opinion
(make copies and give to your friends)
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Posted by: Charlie Peters on Jul 23, 2007 1:50 PM
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Ask for a fuel ethanol waiver allowed in the 2005 energy bill
Fuel ethanol uses lots of water
Audit "Smog Check" to fix the fault in more of the failed cars
Chief Sherry Mehl, DCA/BAR, has never found out if what is broken on a Smog Check failed car gets fixed, never
Improving Smog Check and fuel policy can cut car impact in half in 1 year and save money
About $20 billion in savings in first year
I'm confused about promoting products from offshore rather than improving our system
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jul 7, 2007 5:36 AM
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Why do you think Bush is suddenly in favor of the program?
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Posted by: heid on Jul 7, 2007 6:43 AM
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All sorts of twisted logic is used to support the use of ethanol. The "it's a gap filler until we can. . ." argument is utterly specious. It's diverting resources that could be used towards renewable energy sources, like wind, solar, and wave, into corporate pockets that don't care if their products are destroying the world. The idea that it's clean is easily debunked, as this article has shown.
It all comes down to greed, and that includes the average American who cheers ethanol on. The greed that says, "I have the right to do whatever I want, including driving a behemonth that belches earth-killing and health-destruction materials into the atmosphere. No one has the right to tell me what I can and can't drive." The result is what we're seeing now - the very close tipping point, where global warming takes off and cannot be slowed.
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» It's pretty simple. We need to use less AND we need to cap or reduce population growth.
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Posted by: JohnSmith307 on Jul 7, 2007 6:53 AM
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Cost of corn to make one gallon of ethanol
Total dollar value of subsidies on corn to make a gallon
Plant and energy costs generated in used in processing corn
The cost to a family of food inflation
All these expenses have to be factored in to evaluate the true cost of ethanol from corn, then we need to compare that number with the cost of ethanol from Brazil after the tarriff is removed.
Of course this approach does not say anything about the enviromental costs and they probably have a cost associated with them.
Chemical engineers make such calcualtions everyday but I have not seen the costs per gallon using a realistic calcualation.
Everyone, including Bush just spews out BS about ethanol without giving us the facts we need to know in order to make a determination that corn based ethanol is bad. If the numbers are there and they are not manipulated, even Iowans will be aware that corn based ethanol is not the answer to our energy problems.
One additional factor. Is corn produced by small Iowa farmers on small family farms or is it produced on huge corporation farms? If it is the latter, Then the subsidies are going to big corporations and that shouldn't provide any happiness for Iowans or anyone.
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» you should also compare it to the costs of importing petroleum
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Posted by: marid on Jul 7, 2007 8:26 AM
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Do we so little faith in ourselves that we think we can't solve this problem. Or have the Corpse and the Media done such a good job of spreading lies and disinformation about the issue that the average American is clueless?
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» The goal here is to eliminate fossil fuel imports, right?
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 7, 2007 11:17 AM
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Bloody typical.
No money for SUSTAINABLE solutions... just a clamouring to BURN FOOD, WASTE WATER & provide ANOTHER Global Warming alternative...
all so more of the Earth's Peoples can be victims of pollution, climate change & dependent on *somebody making a profit* from a COMMODITY you've no business co-opting in the first place
assholes.
why not use RICE for cat-litter while you're at it??
Nobody's hungry in the World, right?
Nobody NEEDS WATER, right? Who needs DE-salination projects... let's just strongarm Canadians into coughing up WATER & deteriorating ecological resources...
all so AMERICANS CAN BURN MORE POLLUTANTS & water their Hummer-adorned driveways.
New Coca-Cola Water Deal Omits India...
Spread Love...
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 7, 2007 11:35 AM
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It helps to know the history of this. Ethanol Prohibition was largely due to the efforts of Rockefeller, working through the agency of his 'Christian Women's Temperance Movement' - one of the earliest examples of an astroturf 'grassroots movement' set up by a large corporation in order to advance their interests.
Similarly, there is some question of who Robert Bryce really represents. As the managing editor of the trade journal Energy Tribune, Bryce has a vested interest in pleasing the oil and gas industry - which relies heavily on oil imports for those 'world-record profits' that they've been enjoying recently. Bryce himself penned an article titled "Petrobras's Keys to Success" which lauded the Brazilian oil company's corporate structure.
Also prominently featured on the front page of "The Energy Tribune" is an article smearing global warming science, written by Terry Easton, which claims that it's all a big hoax... very trustworthy.
To sum this up, the managing editor of an oil & gas industry journal claims that ethanol is a bad idea, and that we'll never be able to stop importing oil into the US.
There is also no mention of solar- or wind-powered electric transportation - something that the energy industry fears far more than biofuels, since the energy source is free.
The main technical flaws with this article, besides the questionable background and alliances of the author, are as follows:
1) Many of the problems described apply to all industrial agriculture - pesticides, herbicides, fertilizer, land issues, prices, subsidies and unfair global trade rules. However, the author, instead of promoting solar/wind-powered organic farming practices, uses this to attack ethanol.
2) The energy comparison between gasoline and ethanol is bogus, and the notion that "ethanol can only meet 6% of US fuel needs" is also a distortion. We can indeed reduce our energy consumption to the point where we don't need ANY imported oil - by using efficient hybrids and renewable-charged electric vehicles.
3) The air quality issue is also bogus and full of scientific misrepresentations. When a plant grows, it pulls CO2 out of the air; if you then burn the plant, the CO2 goes back into the air. If you don't use a ton of fossil fuel to grow the plant, you don't add any CO2 to the atmosphere. Thus, sustainable, fossil-fuel free ethanol production doesn't increase atmospheric CO2 - but coal, oil and gas always do.
4) Food prices in Mexico soared because of market manipulation of the Mexican economy by huge US agribusiness concerns who used NAFTA to drive small Mexican farmers off their land, which has created a monopoly situation in Mexico, allowing Cargill and ADM to jack up prices.
The only thing this article reveals is that the fossil fuel industry has two great big bogeymen that they worry about constantly: 1) that global warming will lead to government caps on the use of fossil fuels, and 2) that alternatives for transportation will take off in the US, including ethanol, biodiesel, and even better, solar/wind-charged electric vehicles.
What's really needed is a complete overhaul of the industrial agriculture system, which uses vast amounts of fossil fuels for fertilizer production and farm equipment. Those fossil fuels can be replaced with solar, wind and organic farming practices - over the strident objections of the fossil fuel industry.
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Posted by: truthteller on Jul 7, 2007 11:35 AM
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Neither solution is going to be fun. We can probably accomplish the first without offing anybody currently alive. What it means though, is that only about 20% of all couples would be allowed to have ONE child. We would have to re-invent what it means to be a family. If we could miracuously overcome all of the economic, political and religious objections to step one, then we could probably achieve the two billion goal in a generation.
I have some idea of what it would take to accomplish step two, living at a sustainable level. It means going back to a very simple, agrarian based local economic structure, where travel is usually limited to self-propulsion and animal power, with limited public transit and virtually no private mechanical vehicles. One model, presented by the group Community Solutions, is based on what has happened in Cuba due to the U. S. economic embargo and the collapse of their Soviet sponsors, who used to sell them oil and other industrial products at deep discounts. They have managed to get by, even thrive without outside help, while still having a good education system and better than average health care for their people.
Unfortunately, a lot of us can see the train wreck coming in this country, without being able to stop it. What it looks like resembles the oligarch and organized crime-driven post Soviet Russia, where a small group of very rich and corrupt elites have done very well, and the rest eek out an existance on street corners. Unless we change our basic economic structure and tax laws to create a more equitable society, those who have considered themselves at least middle-class, and even upper-middle class will find themselves literally out in the cold.
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» The pragmatic solution: we need a ban on coal and on foreign oil imports.
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Posted by: GreenDreams on Jul 7, 2007 12:43 PM
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Unfortunately, the way we grow corn uses too much petroleum and petrochemicals, which erodes its greeness. Of course agricultural methods can change and as noted in the article, there are alternatives to corn.
Biodiesel is a better idea, because diesel engines are more efficient and the process of converting vegetable oil to biodiesel (catalyst plus methanol to produce methyl esters) is more efficient.
But HERE is a very cool development. Enzymes at ambient temperature and pressure can produce hydrogen from starch, fast enough to power a car. Way to go Virginia Tech.
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Posted by: garry minor on Jul 7, 2007 1:35 PM
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Henry Ford built and fueled a car with it. Neither he or Diesel intended for their engines to run on petroleum. Hemp hurds are the most efficient plant material for creating methanol at 1000 gallons per acre. Hemp also will grow in area's where other crops will not. It requires little or no fertilizer, pesticides, or herbicides that pollute our soil and water, and the long roots break up and leave the soil healthy for the next crop. Currently our Government hands out billions of dollars in subsidies and tax incentives, mostly to wealthy corporations, not to farm their land. While I don't have the exact numbers it is estimated that over 150 million acres sit idle in the United States. 150 million acres of hemp will yield between 200 and 600 million tons of seed and between 600 million and a billion tons of stalks.
Hemp can also be used to make all paper, plastics, paints, varnishes, pressed board, textiles, and most building products. Everything from cellophane to dynamite. The hemp fiber is the longest and strongest in nature. In 1938 Popular Mechanics wrote that there were over 25,000 uses for hemp and that it would be the first billion dollar crop. Hempseed is also the single most nutritious thing you can eat and is classified by our Government as a strategic food source, (executive order 12919). As a strategic food source it is stockpiled by our Government, yet denied to us! Hempseed is also a healthy feed for livestock as an alternative to hormones and remnants that have caused American beef to be banned in Europe. These remnants are likely the reason for the spread of BSE in our population and food chain. BSE's in humans leave calcium deposits in the brain and can cause mental deteriorization.
Hemp has been used by man from the beginning of time, the oldest known human relic is a piece of hemp cloth dating back 8,000 years. Canvas is Dutch for cannabis. For thousands of years all ships sails, rope, and fine paintings were of hemp cloth. Hempseed was used as lamp oil for centuries. Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Lincoln, and Kennedy were known users of cannabis. It was legal to pay taxes with it in Colonial America. The War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Solomon ordered hemp rope to build his Temple. The plants history is beyond comparison.
In 1937, the first drug czar Harry Anslinger, along with the Dupont and Hearst corporations succeeded in basically brainwashing the American people to believe that cannabis was evil. They printed "You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your grandmother", and produced films like reefer madness. They even changed it's name, marijuana, to help their cause. At that time little was known about cannabis, it certainly was not a social or health problem. People believed the lie and many still do!
In 1936 a Polish Anthropologist discovered that in the original Hebrew of the Old Testament the word "kaneh bosm" had been translated as calamus or fragrant cane by the Greeks when they rendered the Books in the 3rd century BC. Benet contended through her research and etymological comparison the correct translation is cannabis. In 1980 the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem confirmed her claim that "kaneh bosm" is indeed cannabis.
In Exodus 30:23 God instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of "kaneh bosm" in the oil used to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations, including Jesus. The title Christ means literally "anointed", covered in oil. Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. There are 141 references to anointing and 145 for burning incense in your Bible.
And that is only the beginning of the story!!! Food, fuel, shelter, medicine, pleasure, spirituality!
The Tree of Life!
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» Cannabis could stop, and perhaps reverse, global warming.
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If fuel ethanol was a workable solution as a fuel source, it wouldn't need billions in subsidies to bring it to market.
Let the industrial moonshiners use their own dollars to experiment and process, and leave them do it in the peaceful absence of government largesse.
May the best bootlegger win, if he or she can.
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Posted by: sculptor on Jul 7, 2007 6:04 PM
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All things considered using corn based ethanol for fuel is stupid to the point of being evil.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 7, 2007 7:36 PM
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And almost nobody -- conservatives especially -- took the idea seriously.
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Posted by: gellero on Jul 7, 2007 11:05 PM
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Oops....not everyone.....I never bought into it.
But just follow the money....it stops at the Sierra Club's door. And don't forget to throw in some Corporate Welfare and farm subsidies.
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Posted by: zazupuppy on Jul 8, 2007 12:28 PM
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Of course, humans will always fight over control of perceived treasures. If bio fuels prevail, we will fight over land with good dirt and lots of rain.
So, it is not about the complexities and statistics that can be can be overwhelming and argued ad nauseum, it is not about pollution as our mere existence is pollutive, it is about what makes the most sense and can be produced and consumed, not just consumed as with oil.
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... but considering North American culture & economics... why are we so slow to adopt a sustainable solution?
"You Can't Make Me": defining culture on the DownSide of PeakOil...
...because all we've ever *known* in North America is *LIMITLESSNESS*... or the perception of such...
now consider: what is limitless? sunshine.
So WHY are so many people in a hurry to commodify their requirements? Because we keep seeking to 'make a killing' or 'own an industry'. or we're waiting for some Yale cabal to figure out their angle on the crisis, kill more duped 'volunteers'
Why are WE waiting to be SOLD a solution?
What's wrong with simply getting ON WITH IT & demanding your local municipality provide subsidy or tax benefits for home & business owners who go solar & provide a distributed, MORE SECURE energy solution??
...because, it might require something NEW to happen in your area? it might de-stabilize the established pecking order?
or is it sheer stubbornness? a childish footstomping tantrum that nobody can tell us what to do?
you tell me: you see,
you & me?
we're the problem
so why are we acting so DEFENSIVE when we should be taking the reins & leading the parade with big grins on our faces?
Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!
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really? you think stem-cell solutions will benefit YOUR Life?, or some corporation that won't be there in 100 years when they figure out how badly they screwed up again...
"Just because we can": Scientists call for action on synthetic biology
Sun Tzu & the Corporate Professional: Did you ever wonder who tells a corporation, “ENOUGH!”?
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Posted by: Mamarianne on Jul 8, 2007 6:32 PM
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Posted by: wmGreybeard on Jul 8, 2007 10:37 PM
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Buy food produced locally, use public transportation, walk and bicycle when possible.
Urban sprawl is one of the most wasteful causes of transportation inefficiency; making walking and biking more difficult and public transportation much less practical.
Problem is; how do we encourage people to conserve?????
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Posted by: ShoShenQ on Jul 9, 2007 5:49 AM
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Thanks Mr Bush for making america the place it deserves to be.
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Posted by: Francis on Jul 9, 2007 6:27 AM
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Washington suffers from diligently manufactured "science "embolisms. Facts of all kinds about the material universe which can interfere with political and financial scams are denied passage into the legislative arena so as to avoid the costly intrusion of truth into the normal flow of Washington business.
The creation and nurturing of such emboli is the work of highly paid lobbyists who "modify" the truth, miseducate willing politicians, and ,thereby, wreak havoc upon our health and safety while reaping great profits and power for the beneficiaries of their cartoon-like versions of reality, namely themselves, their sponsors and the participating politicians and their armies of dependent operatives. Carved out of the festival of benefits is the American public and the rest of the world, this due to a distinct lack of representation in lobbyist-clogged federal buildings and the piles of money blocking the doors effectively denying public access.
To witness oil company executives refusing to swear in before testifying in front of a congressional hearing, in order to eschew the subsequent pressing of perjury charges, is to witness a Roman orgy of arrogant contempt for truth and for the very concept of Americanism. This glimpse of Washington at play speaks volumes in answering the question, "why do they not know when everybody else seems to"? How convincing was Hillary that she was lied to about WMD before voting to attack Iraq? About as convincing as McCain when his opinion of ethanol fuel development converts from a flagrant boondoggle to a blessed godsend, depending upon his audience. Consider the damage caused by these lies and you can begin to measure the evil that these people do.
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Posted by: Joe on Jul 12, 2007 4:50 PM
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liberals would do the entire country a favor if they stayed out of politics. in the end its everyone else that has to pay for their emotional mistakes.
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Posted by: gsaephanh on Jul 13, 2007 1:05 PM
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office is taking calls voting for Impeachment of Bush/Cheney at 202-225-0100. PLEASE CALL TODAY. At the toll free capitol switchboard #s below, you can also call your particular district’s congressional representative to insist that they support impeachment for Cheney. E.g., for Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s H Res 333 for Cheney; please say:
“In addition to supporting Kucinich’s bill H Res 333, I would also support a similar Impeachment Resolution against Bush, especially after the disgraceful Scooter Libby sentence “commuting” and the following issues: wiretapping, torture, numerous 9/11 intelligence misrepresentations, the continued occupation of Iraq, gross negligence during Hurrican Katrina, the Valerie Plame CIA leak, […list your other grounds…] ..”[see resolutions on tab #2 for other grounds for impeachment]).
LANIC requests that Americans call today…Not tomorrow or next week. Every call adds to the extraordinary grasswoots and nationwide movement’s pressures on House Speaker Pelosi to act now .before further innocent lives are lost in Iraq and elsewhere. Last week 28 Americans lost their lives. Over the July 4, 2007 weekend over 400 Iraqis lost their lives…
SEND MAIL TO HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI: Attn: Nancy Pelosi, House Representative/Speaker of the House, 235 Cannon H.O.B., Washington, DC 20515 ; Pelosi’s Fax # 202 225-8259
Pelosi’s e-mail address :
Americanvoices@mail.house.gov
CC her at: sf.nancy@mail.house.gov
Please send her a pro-impeachment email and a specific call to endorse H Res 333. Note: On Saturdays/Sundays, Pelosi’s office has a comment line at which you can leave a voicemail. Your message will be transcribed and relayed to her. Please do encourage your family/friends to contact the same number. Refer them to www.bcimpeach.com for the actual telephone #s & contact info.
Find out who your Congressional representative is and call that person. For toll free numbers to your Congress rep: (800) 828 – 0498; (800) 459 – 1887; or (866) 340 – 9281. You will be connected once you name your congress person. The staff aid should take detailed notes and provided to the Congressional representative.
Final Note: Please say “I support Impeachment based on ____. I’d like to know where “[representative name]” stands on this issue.” Let’s strike while the Libby fury keeps the iron hot! Please call and Act Now!
PLEASE ALSO CONTACT THESE KEY CONGRESSIONAL REPS RE IMPEACHMENT:
Representative Capitol Phone Capitol Fax
Howard Berman 202-225-4695 202-225-3196
& 818-944-7200 818-994-1050
MAILING ADDRESS FOR BERMAN
Congressman Howard L. Berman
14546 Hamlin Street, Suite 202
Van Nuys, CA 91411
Henry Waxman 202-225-3976 202-225-4099
Loreta Sanchez 202 225-2965 202-225-5859
D. Watson 202 225-7084 202-225-2422
LindaSanchez 202 225-6676 202-226-1012
L. Solis 202 225-5464 202-225-5467
A. G. Eshoo 202 225-8104 202-225-8890
L. Roybal/Allard 202 225-1766 202-225-0350
http://www.bcimpeach.com/
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Posted by: Charlie Peters on Jul 14, 2007 10:23 PM
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NO on AB118
* Currently $0.51 per gallon goes to oil refiners for adding 5.6% ethanol to California gasoline. That is about $500,000,000.00 per year corporate welfare.
* AB118 may add over $1.00 per gallon to additional gasoline profits in California
* This is about the money from your pocket
* The corn ethanol waiver in the 2005 federal energy bill will lower gasoline prices, improve miles per gallon, lower oil use and improve the air.
* NO on AB118. Contact your elected officials and share your opinion
(make copies and give to your friends)
Clean Air Performance Professionals
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Posted by: Charlie Peters on Jul 23, 2007 1:50 PM
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Ask for a fuel ethanol waiver allowed in the 2005 energy bill
Fuel ethanol uses lots of water
Audit "Smog Check" to fix the fault in more of the failed cars
Chief Sherry Mehl, DCA/BAR, has never found out if what is broken on a Smog Check failed car gets fixed, never
Improving Smog Check and fuel policy can cut car impact in half in 1 year and save money
About $20 billion in savings in first year
I'm confused about promoting products from offshore rather than improving our system
Clean Air Performance Professionals
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