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Environment

Overcoming American Gluttony

By Alan Bisbort, Smirking Chimp. Posted June 5, 2007.


Americans make the biggest environmental footprint on the planet but we have hundreds of excuses for never changing our behavior. Number one is that we are Americans.
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An economic expert recently claimed that if every American driver pledged to save one gallon of gas per week, the prices at the pump would plunge. Tom Kloza, analyst for the New Jersey-based Oil Price Information Service, said that a 1-percent dip in demand could shave as much as 50 cents a gallon off the price of gas. As the narrator in Bang the Drum Slowly would say, this hands me a laugh.

What country does this expert live in? More to the point, what planet is he from? Kloza ... that sounds vaguely foreign, maybe al-Qaeda, to me. Surely this guy's a terrorist to suggest Americans sacrifice one gallon per week! Either that or he's an extraterrestrial.

Though I agree with Mr. Kloza that this would be a good idea, I'd go much further: Americans should be required to drive vehicles that get no less than 30 miles per gallon and tax breaks should be given, on an upwardly prorated scale to all drivers who get at least 40 miles per gallon. Those who get more than 50 mpg should be exempt from sales tax on gas. Americans should not be allowed to pump more than 10 gallons into their tanks per trip to the station. Americans should this, Americans should that.

But Mr. Kloza ... can I call you Tom? ... Tom, you've been reading too many Brokaw books, listening to too many Hallmark homilies from Monsignor Tim Russert. This is not the America of the Greatest Generation. This is not even the America of the Second Greatest Generation. We're in with the Also-Ran Generation or, at best, the Honorable Mention Generation. Americans feel entitled -- yes, there's that word we love to toss derisively at Welfare moms -- to be gluttons.

We feel we're entitled to expand any where or any way we can. We just passed 300 million in population and are cruising in on an average weight of 300 pounds. We have 300 nuclear warheads aimed at 300 different places around the globe and we have a Global Warming Denier in control ready to stir up another hornet's nest in Iran. We have 300 excuses never to change our behavior. Number one is that we are Americans.

America had a rare opportunity on Sept. 12, 2001, a chance to show the world that we could lead, could move the planet away from terrorism and fundamentalist hate mongering.

Had there been a leader in the White House instead of a misleader, we could have turned one of the most tragic moments in our nation's history into a powerful ally for world change. But America never changed after 9/11. America is still the same glutton it always was, only more obnoxiously so now, given what we know about global warming and finite supplies of fossil fuels.

So, thanks for handing us a laugh, Mr. Kloza. God knows we could use one.

According to figures from our Department of Energy, each person in the U.S. consumes as much energy as 2.1 Germans, 12.1 Columbians, 28.9 citizens of India, 127 Haitians and 395 Ethiopians. As a nation, we lead the world in carbon dioxide emissions, nearly twice the amount of second-place China (which has one billion people). We lead the world, by far, in water and oil consumption. We have the largest houses in the world. Each year, the average American generates 189 pounds of food waste, 183 pounds of plastic trash, 570 pounds of paper trash, 86 pounds of glass trash, and so on.

In short, Americans make the biggest environmental footprint on the planet. If one views the earth's resources as one common stash, we're the guys hogging all the supplies.

If the kneejerk "Me First" crowd interpret the above statistics as blatant America-bashing -- rather than as grounds to change behavior -- then they've proven my point. Once again.

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See more stories tagged with: consumption, population

For more information, go to populationeducation.org. Alan Bisbort is a columnist for the Hartford Advocate. His more recent book is "Famous Last Words" (Pomegranate).

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The wave of the future
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 5, 2007 12:21 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We Americans have for generations laughed at the tiny little match boxes that the Europeans drive around in. Laugh no more. We can no longer afford to drive around in the multi-ton gas guzzlers that have become a staple of the American road. Given the price of fuel and the sheer number of cars on the road today, the type of automobile the English have been driving for many years will be a big part of our future (like the Mini Cooper, a car that is already gaining popularity in the States).

The "mini car" should not only be developed immediately, it should be mandated by law. It would not only cut down on the conjestion that are is too common on our highways, it would have a positive impact on the environment. It is now possible to get up to 80 miles per gallon on such a vehicle. Think about it, folks. We have no other choice.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY.
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: The wave of the future Posted by: greekTowner
» Actually... its both. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Actually... its both. Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» RE: Actually... its both. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Actually... its both. Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» RE: Actually... its both. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Actually... its both. Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» RE: Actually... its both. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Actually... its both. Posted by: xconservative
» RE: The wave of the future--hardly. Posted by: apophenia_monkey
OK, so Americans are big, wasteful consumers. Where can they save?
Posted by: Rune on Jun 5, 2007 12:42 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Too bad this article wasted our time with a long rant on automobiles. Personal transportation does count for a big slice of the average individual's energy consumption and "carbon footprint," but it is just a fraction of the whole picture. Heating, cooling, and lighting our homes accounts for more energy consumption that driving our unnecessarily wasteful cars and light trucks (note to any nerds who want to check me on this, the EPA folds business and government owned vehicles with those owned and used by individuals for their own use). And in the home, "plug load," is now the fastest growth area, edging above 25% of household energy use, led by power hungry HDTVs that the government wants to make sure everyone buys at least one of by 2009 without stopping to think about or even mention the implications for increased electrical demand.

Water itself is not usually factored into home energy use, but it is not trivial. In dry states, such as California, acquiring, transporting, and treating water can account for 5% to 10% of total electrical demand. Granted, most of the water goes to agriculture, which wastes it unless a drought forces severe measures that would have been unnecessary if we just required reasonable conservation as a matter of course, but home water use for people without drought tolerant landscaping and water efficient appliances, toilets and showers can still add up in terms of energy demand as well as a waste of an increasingly scarce resource in its own right.

It doesn't have to be this way. The Clinton administration left us with a set of energy conservation measures that, if fully implemented, could cut our energy use in half without any lifestyle changes. Half. As in, we could have met our Kyoto obligations and be in a position to lead the world on the next round of GHG reductions instead of trying to derail the process for at least another four years. Most of the changes would not come from transportation, although that is ripe for improvement, but from making buildings 30% to 70% more efficient, and making them quieter, healthier, and more comfortable at the same time. We can do it ourselves as individual building owners, but at a time when we are blowing out billions for biofuels that are driving up food and gas prices, or hydrogen technology that may never pan out but is certainly padding the bottom lines of corporate welfare kings and queens, wouldn't it be better to just help ourselves with training for a whole new wave of skilled contractors and a little help with materials to put this all in place today?

Yeah, America is fat and lazy. But it is more from a lack of education about our options and the deceit of the corporate-military-media-government superstructure that keeps well meaning people in the dark, over charged, unhealthy and scared. It's up to all of us to get informed and help each other turn the tide. Taking pot shots at misled Americans is really no better than complaining about oil companies while we refuse to make the simple adjustments that could easily save the one gallon of oil per day that goes into the packaging, production, cold storage and transportation of the convenience food we eat each day, to say nothing of the gasoline we waste by not driving with a little more energy awareness.

We can lead our way out of this. We don't need to wait for "them" although we would do well to push them hard while we learn to live well without so much of their planet killing products. Let's quit whining and start leading. Clearly, no one is going to do it for us.

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» A spelling lesson... Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: A spelling lesson...Offer Posted by: apophenia_monkey
» RE: A spelling lesson...Offer Posted by: aussidawg
please donot change your behaviour
Posted by: richholland on Jun 5, 2007 2:46 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
it seems unknown to most readers of Alternet that the world biggest stock of oil is under the Caspian sea.(20.000.000.000 est.barrels)
The exploitation is done by the state Georgia(friends of Mr.Bush) and by Russia(mr.Putin)
From the oilfields a long long pipeline goes to Turky and then to the Medterrian sea. Strange enough here on the ground of Turky America has built a hugh airforce base.
to protect human rights??????
So donot have any fear about the future. USA has no longer enough Texas(Bush) oil and desperatly is looking around all over the Globe.
So in near future because the coorporation will have to make PROFITS a new war will come.
And donot believe about terrorists, I know many moslim boys are a pain in the ass but militairy they are worthless..
Please check things about oil in the library and on internet.
And remember in Europe the gasoline costs about $ 8, a gallon.

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5
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 5, 2007 3:28 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If they let us rate articles, I'd give this one a 5, and vote several times.

An emphasis on our sense of entitlement, placing responsibility squarely on the consumer, and a small but useful set of comparison numbers is what sets this article apart from many others that try to address the consumption situation.

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Shameful and distressing
Posted by: Markson on Jun 5, 2007 4:10 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How the hell did we become a country so self-absorbed and entitled? Our monstrous waste of energy per capita and, worse, our rabid defense of entitlement is appalling--and yet one shouldn't be remotely surprised: it is the American Way. We're that trust fund baby with his polo collar turned up, driving an SUV that could be mistaken for a tank, blaring his stereo to yet another rap song about committing hate crimes against women (rape or murder) while praising the Almighty Dollar (the only God we trust), who callously bullies everyone else, and yet not only believes that we are morally superior but crying that we're the true victims. Even now, during this apparent revival of American democracy, especially among the young, we still act more like Alex from A Clockwork Orange than this image we have of ourselves as descendants of the "the greatest generation."

If the "greatest generation" ushered the height of Pax Americana and the baby boomers maintained it, my generation will be the one to bury it (Kids just five years younger than my peers are even worse w/ re: entitlement, so it won't get better). I have tried to believe that we're going to pull out of this cultural death spiral that is inevitable to the fall of every civilization, but if September 11th and the sheer corruption of the Bush administration doesn't cause a true and radical revolt in a society that has no excuses whatsoever for its complicity (we have an embarrassment of riches, most notably the web), what will?! I can imagine us believing that once Bush leaves office, we'll somehow be great again, w/o realizing that the administration is but a symptom of how truly sick we are as a society.

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» well said Markson Posted by: deborama
» RE: Shameful and distressing Posted by: fred_53_99
A Car Nut Speaks Out
Posted by: Spyder on Jun 5, 2007 6:00 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
FIrst of all, kudos to Tom Degan for his comment. He is right on the money, as always. If more Americans thought like him, we wouldn't be in this mess!

You're talking about my soapbox here. There are not very many Americans like me out there. I am both a certified car nut and a fan of Joan Claybrook. I am a moderate environmentalist, and I have always valued fuel efficiency. Just because I have a big 4x4 pickup does not mean I drive it on the freeway every day. In fact, I drive it only when I have to haul or tow something. 90% or more of my driving time is spent in a car that gets at least 26 mpg. My recreational vehicles are driven sparingly, and we all know it is the SUV's with solo drivers on the daily freeway commutes that are sucking down the high volumes of fuel.

There is one thing we as Americans can do immediately, without a bit of technological or legal change. We can do as I do, and drive a fuel-efficient car for all our everyday driving. We can own all the recreational vehicles we want and still cut our national fuel consumption considerably by making just this one change. Of course there are many people who may actually need an SUV for one reason or another, but we all know the great majority of them do not actually need to drive these behemoths every day. My F-250 gets 14 mpg at its best; my old Cavalier gets 26 at its worst!. Do the math, folks. For every mile I drive my Cavalier, I burn half the fuel I would driving my truck. Just imagine the difference we could make if most, not even all, Americans would drive an economical car daily!

You can visit the links at my website to see two additional viewpoints on this issue. Thank you for your time.

http://e-tabitha.com/Daydream.htm

http://e-tabitha.com/traffic.htm

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» The Cost-Efficient Cavalier Posted by: Spyder
» It's cheaper to rent Posted by: pzzp
» RE: For some people... Posted by: EagleMB
» RE: A Car Nut Speaks Out Posted by: spanky
» RE: A Car Nut Speaks Out Posted by: mwildfire
» Red Barchetta Posted by: apophenia_monkey
Most of Europe has a milder climate (for the time being)
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Jun 5, 2007 6:34 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Like most such well-intentioned screeds, this article overlooks the fact that most of populated North America has a much harsher climate than most of Europe. Gee, you'd think a columnist for the Hartford Courant might have noticed that at some point. Maybe he's never actually been to Europe and flies to Florida every February?

But as someone who hasn't owned a car in decades, I'm of course delighted to join in the usual gleeful AlterNet trashing of car culture. (Yawn.) Drivers are going to pay the price of gas no matter what it is. Why talk about lowering it 50 cents a gallon? In '74-75 even Gerald Ford considered adding a 50 cent per gallon federal tax... this when gas cost around 60-70 cents a gallon, tops. How timid we've become in thinking about this.

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» RE: I'm not so sure about that one Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
Let the "free" market do its magic
Posted by: sausage on Jun 5, 2007 7:10 AM   
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Look, I think the whole concept of a "free" market is a lot of hooey. On the other hand, I don't think that Congress should do a thing about rising gasoline prices. Personally, I think the price of gasoline should rise to $5 per gallon or more. Let the oil companies price gourge. Who's to blame?

We Americans have painted ourselves into an environmental and economic corner. The vast majority of us have bought into the marketing proposition that automobile owership is somehow equivalent our constitutionally guaranteed political freedoms of speech, press, peaceable assembly, religion and petition the government for redress of greivances.

Automobile ownership is not a constitutional right, nor is it freedom but a form of consensual slavery. The automobile is a shackle, an addiction. After 100 years of pro-automobile advertising campaigns, the willful destruction of viable and popular mass transit systems in our cities by automobile manufacturers and their allies and white flight to the suburbs we are servants to our cars. Think about all the disposable income one sends on his vehicle every year for insurance, maintenance, not to mention gasoline.

But we smart Americans will continue to be slaves to our SUVs, minivans and convertables. Oh, no, we love the "freedom" the automobile gives us like a junky loves his smack.

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what about rural areas?
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 5, 2007 7:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I live in rural Nebraska. I farm and also commute to a job. While all this talk about the glories of riding bicycles may go-down great in downtown San Francisco, what are the realistic options for where I live?

I live in a town of 400 people, no doctor, no dentist, a mini-mart for a grocery store, no hardware store. The nearest place these are available is the county seat 30 miles away (where I also work).

I wish that writers of articles such as this one would realize that there are vast areas of the country where driving long distances is not a luxury or a "choice" but a basis of survival.

Are people like me and my neighbors supposed to move to the city? I have lived here 50 years.

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» RE: what about rural areas? Posted by: monkeybrig
» It's not about choice? Posted by: sausage
» You are not part of the problem Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: what about rural areas? Posted by: KIKI33
» RE: what about rural areas? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: what about rural areas? Posted by: KIKI33
» My question still unanswered Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: My question still unanswered Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» The answer is obvious Posted by: ateo
» RE: what about rural areas? Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Ranting, counterproductive self-righteousness!!!!
Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 5, 2007 7:49 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I find this article simplistic, preachy and worthless. It is simplistic because it assumes American's use more resources because of a sense of entitlement. We use more resources because of the false consciousness we have been sold by big business that we have to acquire to be happy. Americans need a revolution in values at the most basic level. Step one -turn off your t.v!!!!! Tune out the always be disatisfied - with your body, house, spouse, possessions message. Once Americans realize true self-esteem is an internal process that can't buy, they can stop overconsuming. They might also have more time from working less for environmentaly friendly practices.

This article is preachy the way fundamentalist Christianity is preachy. It is amazing how one can take some of the pontifications from the left and plug in sex for consumption, gluttony, etc and sound exactly like the Puritans. But the left can never see it. Nor have they learned the lesson it does not work. It just polarizes people into either more preachy robot like Puritans or people who tune out the message completely.

Which brings me to why this article is completely worthless. There is nothing new here. This guy acts like he has a major revelation, the same tone has been used since the 60's when it comes to overconsumption. Catch a clue! Guilt and finger pointing is not the way to go.

I'd liked to also point out our average weight is NOT 300lbs, not even BigPharma who is behind the alleged "obesiy crisis" is claiming that. He may have been factitiuos but he doesn't have the sophistication to pull it off so I can't tell!

I don't go for ratings. I call them as I see them. Alan, you are an idiot. Why don't you enroll in a social psychology class, or at least read up on what does and does not work, has and has not been tried. BTW, I gave up my car completely! But when I keep running smack dab into the "future generations" I am doing it for, it gets harder and harder to keep at it.

"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."

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"Americans should be required"
Posted by: dwatkins9 on Jun 5, 2007 8:59 AM   
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"Americans should be required" to drive cars that get thirty miles to the gallon. Another illustration of why the left will continue to fail politically - all this moralistic bullying. My car gets twenty-four miles per gallon - what happens to it? Is it crushed by Big Brother along with all the others, after which I am forced to buy some useless little Yugo II crapmobile?

While I'm on the subject - I recently read a leftist blog where the author praised the Cafe standards of the 1970's for resulting in, among other things, GM's introduction of the Chevette. The Chevette! Very possibly the worst car GM has built in living memory, and that's saying something. Car-hating environmentalists - better get a rhetorical clue.

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» RE: "Americans should be required" Posted by: whitehurstt
» The greater good. Posted by: dwatkins9
» RE: The greater good. Posted by: spanky
» The resource wars are coming. Posted by: dwatkins9
» RE: The resource wars are coming. Posted by: JimTheAnarchist
» takes a critical mass to do what? Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Fat Bastards
Posted by: fanny666 on Jun 5, 2007 9:24 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
» RE: Fat Bastards Posted by: zyclop
» How to Prepare People.... Posted by: aussidawg
I think we are all missing the point...
Posted by: sphoenix on Jun 5, 2007 9:27 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Stop for a moment and try to imagine Amerika different than it is today....


You are probably having a hard time with this...as am I.

Why? Because, my friends, we have been sold a bill of goods. School, government, church, TV, radio, newspapers, advertising...everything you are bombarded with every day in the outside world is reinforcing your belief in a particular way of life. Amerikans can't really imagine what it would be like to live without a car, or grow their own food, or not have TV...because the industrial machine that runs this country is committed to sustaining this lifestyle and they need the majority of the population to live with them inside this same fantasy...and believe in it. Without the support of the population, the industrial machine would wither and die.

For REAL change to happen in Amerika the masses would need to volunteer to give up part or most of their current lifestyle and go back to living closer to their homes, jobs and the land. It's not going to happen without a bloody revolution...there are too many people that are too far gone and would find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to make the necessary changes in their thinking and lifestyles. We would all need to be re-educated to thinking about living in harmony with the earth and other people. Sadly, I fear that there is no one qualified to do that teaching, and the ingrained political/industrial/war machine simply cannot allow it to happen.

This country will continue to slog along in the tar-pits, slowly sinking into the bottomless pit of black goo (oil) until the day when our heads go under and Amerika starts to suffocate. Our 'leaders' will use their underoil breathing apparatus to convince the public that everything is fine...that is until they run out of hot air and the truth of the matter becomes undeniable.

Here is a nice quote to support this from one of our dead Nazi friends:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." 
-- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945


Welcome to Fascist Amerika in the 21st Century. I hope you enjoy your stay. If you don't enjoy your stay...too bad...there is nowhere else you can go to escape the Matrix anyway. Be complacent, agreeable and silent...then everything will be just fine...won't it?

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You consider the Clintons "left"?
Posted by: dwatkins9 on Jun 5, 2007 10:13 AM   
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OK, then. President Clinton was a friend of business and free markets, for the most part. He could have been a lot worse. I'm even starting to warm up to his wife a little. If that's what you mean by "left," I withdraw the remark. When I think of the left, though, I think of Nader and Kucinich and the contributers to Alternet, and like that.

As for the 30mpg - you know they really want 50. And a 50 mpg standard really would result in useless, anemic little crapmobiles. I want to avoid that slippery slope. Ever actually drive a Prius? Want to drive another one? Me neither. I expect it's got a towing capacity of about twelve pounds. It comfortably seats four adults, if three of them are from the Singer Midgets.

I take your point about rhetoric - but right wing rhetoric is mostly effective, left wing rhetoric not so much.

I notice you do not address my point about people being forced to give up their lower mileage cars. You want mass protests in the streets, that's the way to do it.

Let the gas prices rise and the market respond - that is the way to handle the problem. It has worked before - in the 70's, as a matter of fact. All of a sudden, it was 1974, there was a gas shortage, and Toyota couldn't make Corollas fast enough - no government mandate required. I never wanted a Corolla, but the market did.

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These comments deserve a wider audience
Posted by: motamanx on Jun 5, 2007 11:21 AM   
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Everyone who comments herein--I agree with most of them--should send a copy to his/her congressperson. You could say "You're doing a heckuva job, sir"; or you could DEMAND some of the changes suggested on this blog.

Talking to each other this way isn't going to cut it.

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long on funny wind, short on substance
Posted by: DaBear on Jun 5, 2007 12:09 PM   
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That said, gluttony was supposed to be the premise but it got short shrift. My household footprint comes out to 0.8 of the ave. European's. Being working poor helps: with gas prices where they are I've already hit the walk everywhere but work stage. I just don't have the "choice" to be gluttonous... except for Thrifty ice cream (not very creamy though). A $0.99 cone is hard to beat. Mebbe that's my gluttony and why my gut won't shrink no matter how much sweaty walkin' I do each day.

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mavenla
Posted by: maven on Jun 5, 2007 1:37 PM   
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On this very page, the bumper sticker and tshirt business had me laughing out loud w/ their latest that is the perfect summation of this article. "At least the war on the environment is going well."

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get over it already... relocalise
Posted by: DeAnander on Jun 5, 2007 2:21 PM   
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Ever actually drive a Prius? Want to drive another one? Me neither. I expect it's got a towing capacity of about twelve pounds. It comfortably seats four adults, if three of them are from the Singer Midgets.

I can tow 100 lbs with my bicycle trailer. At least try to be realistic with the defensive. whiny, self-pitying rhetoric :-)

As to the plight of the small town w/no services or businesses, it was the auto industry and the oil industry that killed that town; big chemical ag that sunk our farmers so deep in debt that they had to sell their land to big ag; big oil and big auto and big-city financial imperatives that drove the superhighways right past small town America, leaving isolated pockets of abandoned people; and now they've got us where they want us, in a trap where we have to pay them ransom (drive, buy gas, shop at corporate chain stores) in order to fulfil the most basic human functions.

Relocalise... it's the oniy way to live free. There is a choice and we can make it.

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Which of two ways to go?
Posted by: dayahka on Jun 5, 2007 2:48 PM   
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OK, so what? Which way do we go? Back to the past (by changing our natures and reducing our consumption to the level of the poorest Somalian) or by changing the environment and increasing the consumption of everyone else up to our level? The global warming hysterics want the first option; the climate change realists want the second, as do I. Why shouldn't the whole world enjoy the blessings of gluttony? Why shouldn't we all be greedy and voracious? What do we change? Human nature or the environment?

There is no evidence that human nature can be changed; surely the almighty would have succeeded by now, were it possible. There is evidence that we can change the environment: let's change our polluting, toxic, foul oil environment to a non-polluting, beneficial renewable energy environment where everyone on earth can enjoy the benefits of going where they want, when they want, and with whom they want. If Americans could be shown the benefits of austerity and thrift, I'm sure they follow; but there aren't any.

(P.S. One correction on fact, one on opinion. First, China has at least 1.4 billion, not just a billion people. Second, on what basis would you offer this generation honorable mention? Wouldn't the HUA (head up ass) generation be more accurate?)

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» RE: Which of two ways to go? Posted by: that is me
Are we the best?
Posted by: willymack on Jun 5, 2007 5:51 PM   
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In one category we stand out above everyone else in the world, and that's in the realm of IDEAS. The idea is that ANYONE can come up with a good thought which will materially benefit Mankind, not just the wealthy, educated, and fortunate few. The ideas continue with the preposterous assertion that the PEOPLE, not the stuffed shirts with all the money should run the show, through their elected officials. The ideas also state that if you work hard toward a goal that is not only beneficial to YOU, but to others, that the common good is served. These are priceless ideas and IDEALS, and were invented right here. What the hell happened to all our good IDEAS?

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» Here's an idea... Posted by: Mr. Heathen
The Indypendent's global climate change issue
Posted by: BBaumer on Jun 5, 2007 7:34 PM   
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6/5/07

The Indypendent

Releases Global Warming Special Issue: “What No One Else Will Say”

The Indypendent is releasing a special global warming issue as a barbed-wire fence circles leaders of the world’s wealthiest nations gathered in Germany for the Group of Eight (G8) summit to discuss global climate change and other issues. Outside the meeting, concerned people worldwide are taking a stand against the G8’s market-based solutions to the climate change crisis.

“The root cause of the climate crisis is capitalism,” said Jessica Lee, a contributing editor at The Indypendent. “Furthermore, the media reports pertaining to global warming echo the piecemeal and inadequate solutions that are being proposed at international conferences like the G8 summit.”

The Indypendent’s coverage will look at everything from the science of global warming to the economics of green capitalism to destructive alternatives like biofuel and “clean” coal to the radical grassroots movements around the world demanding climate justice. Interviews and contributors include historian Howard Zinn, renowned eco-sociologist John Bellamy Foster, Edward Holt-Jimenez of Food First, political economist Mathew Forstater, and many others from the environmental justice movement.

In an interview with The Indypendent, Howard Zinn, author of A People’s History of the United States points out:

“Our national history is one of economic expansion at the expense of the environment, unbridled, uncontrolled exploitation of coal, oil and lumber for the sake of corporate profit. This means that if we are to do something about global warming, we will have to drastically change our policy of deregulation, of turning a blind eye to what corporations do. We will have to regulate the industries that pollute.”

The Indypendent is the tri-weekly newspaper of the New York City Independent Media Center. It has won more awards for excellence in journalism from the Independent Press Association of New York than any paper in the city each of the past four years and has a combined print and on-line readership of 75,000. For more, see www.indypendent.org. To receive a complimentary copy, call The Indypendent at 212-221-0521.

“There is an urgent need for independent media to which activists and concerned citizens can turn for information and analysis that escapes the filters and doctrinal bounds of the establishment spectrum. In brief, there is an urgent need for The Indypendent newspaper of New York City and the global Indymedia network on which so many have come to rely,” says linguist and political theorist Noam Chomsky.

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OK, most of us realize there's a problem...
Posted by: xconservative on Jun 7, 2007 1:26 PM   
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(and those who don't probably can't be reached), so what do we do? How do you get the average American, who probably doesn't read Alternet or anything remotely similar, to change their habits?

I was wondering about this while walking to lunch today. It's a rare, beautiful day for this time of year in the San Joaquin Valley, but I was the only pedestrian in sight both going to and coming from the Chinese restaurant a half mile away from my office, while hundreds of people drove past me in their gas-guzzling cars. What will it take to get a few more of those people to think about walking instead of driving once in a while?

(Just for one example.)

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Bush, the great president
Posted by: richholland on Jun 8, 2007 4:46 AM   
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Since OIL the blood of America to take George Bush as a PRESIDENT, George an Oilman is very wise.

In Europe we are daily dissappointent by the GREENpoliticians, untill they are in office they have a bycicle and when in the Parliament they need a 4x4 or a humming Hummer with peanutoil.

Frankly I see no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Fat Hogs no feel the hunger of the thin ones.

Till 1965 USA was ahead of the world thanks to the capitalistic way of economics. Nowadays it is a disadvantage because a few rich people destroy your health insurance, vacation, fair minimum wges etc.

Only a government were all parties are working together is able to do usefull things re enviroment.

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No, corporations DON'T own ALL of the ideas...
Posted by: lcarnold on Jun 9, 2007 11:55 PM   
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Thinkers, innovators, entreprenuers, and the like - those who identify holes in the marketplace or opportunities upon which to be siezed, they are the people inspired to pursue their ideas until those ideas become real products and services in the marketplace that people actually want and buy!

So, aside from all the whining by 'enviro-leftists' about so-called 'global warming', and that America is the 'evil' nation of selfish gluttons who don't care about the environment or accept it's responsibility for it's share of the world's problems (by some people, that's 100% responsible), where are their ideas that will reach the marketplace to solve the world's problems?

Oh, they don't have any, you say? Right! It's much easier to point fingers and cry-baby about this 'woe' and that, but until you have ideas that become solutions that become products and services people want to buy (including me), save your whining for the bad service by the illegal immigrant at the 'fast-food' drive through window... at least it will then be appropriate! In the meantime, pay attention, because you're about to be schooled! Yes, the following lesson does earn you credit toward your graduate degree in Real World Reality...! To wit:

Subject: Economics 101
1. All people have limited resources, and therefore;
2. People will always make economic decisions perceived as in their own best interest, especially when making buy or sell decisions. That includes you and me...!
3. Per #2 above, people will always purchase what they perceive to be the best value. Best value usually results in choosing the lowest possible cost for goods and services that meet at least four minimum requirements for acceptance: quality, fitness-for-use, suitability for intended purpose, and best alternative of all other options un