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Rural Communities Exploited by Nestlé for Your Bottled Water
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With sales of over $35 billion worldwide in the bottled water market, corporations are doing whatever it takes to buy up pristine springs in some of our country's most beautiful places. While the companies reap the profits, the local communities and the environment are paying the price.
One of the biggest and most voracious of the water gobblers is Nestlé, which controls one-third of the U.S. market and sells 70 different brand names -- such as Arrowhead, Calistoga, Deer Park, Perrier, Poland Spring and Ice Mountain -- which it draws from 75 springs located all over the country.
Nestlé's latest target is McCloud, located in the shadow of Northern California's snow-capped Mt. Shasta. The town of McCloud has worked hard to try to reinvent itself in recent years. McCloud is a former timber town that is learning how to stand on its own feet again after the lumber companies bottomed out and took off.
The town has less than 1,400 people and a high school of four students. But one thing McCloud does have is an abundance of water -- pristine spring water that comes from Shasta's glaciers and feeds some of the world's best fly-fishing rivers.
The water hasn't just brought outdoors people to the area; it's also brought a new industry that seems strikingly similar to the timber barons who came before -- taking resources, reaping profits and moving on.
Four years ago, residents learned that Nestlé, the world's largest food and beverage company, intended to build a 1 million-square-foot water-bottling facility in McCloud. Without any public input or environmental impact assessment, the multinational was given a 100-year contract to pump 1,600 acre-feet of spring water a year and a seemingly unlimited amount of groundwater.
Although residents were caught off guard by the company's interest, they have been organizing and litigating and educating. As a result, the majority of residents in McCloud are concerned with Nestlé's project. A survey done in 2005 showed that 77 percent of people were against the contract, and public opinion has shifted even more since then as people have learned the details of the plan.
"There is concern about traffic, air pollution, what is going to happen to our water," said Debra Anderson, head of the McCloud Watershed Council, a citizen group that organized in the wake of the announcement. "What if there is a drought? They have the right to continue to pump. What happens to the town of McCloud, the people in it?"
An Unfair Contract
For Nestlé, the deal seems too good to be true. The Ashland Free Press broke down some of the details of the contract:
- A 50-year term, renewable for another 50 years
- The right to take 1,250 gallons per minute of spring water
- The right to take qualified water on an interim basis from district's springs for bulk delivery to other bottling facilities located in Northern California
- The right to construct pipelines and a loading facility
- Use of an unknown quantity of well water for production purposes
- Exclusive rights to one of the town's three springs
- One hundred years of exclusivity, during which time no other beverage business of any type may exist in McCloud
- Use of an undisclosed, perhaps unlimited amount of ground water
- The right to require the McCloud Community Service District to dispose of process wastewater
- The right to require the McCloud Community Service District to design, construct and install one or more ground water production wells on the bottling facility site for Nestlé's use as a supply for nonspring water purposes.
As if all that weren't enough, under the terms of the contract, Nestlé will make out handsomely. The McCloud Watershed Council has reported that Nestlé will pay .000087 cents per gallon for the water it takes from McCloud's springs. Its website explains:
In other words, that's only 8.7 cents for 100,000 gallons. Meanwhile, the rest of us who use a fraction of what Nestlé will, pay almost 20 bucks each month, just for water. On the other hand, Nestlé can sell a 16-ounce bottle of the same water for around $1.29, or $10.32 per gallon.
It's no wonder that Nestlé wanted to rush the current contract through and is fighting so hard to keep it intact. It's a sweetheart deal for Nestlé, but not for McCloud. At a shelf price of $10.32 per gallon, 1,600 acre-feet would gross $5,380,451,712. If Nestlé nets one-fifth of what that water sells for, it would make over $1 billion a year.For the townspeople of McCloud, the contract is not so fruitful. The contract makes no provision for inflation or change in water flow or value over the course of the hundred-year agreement, and Nestlé maintains the rights to the water, but the legal responsibility for the springs remains with the town. "This would leave the people of McCloud holding the legal bag for any environmental violations resulting from Nestlé's operations and any resulting lawsuits," the Watershed Council's website says.
The decision to grant the contract was made by a five-person McCloud Service District Board and was announced at a district meeting. "I was shocked that they didn't take the time to come back and discuss the concerns with the community if they were voting on a hundred-year contract," said Anderson. (All members of the board refused to speak with AlterNet or did not return phone calls.)
After the contract was signed in October 2003, residents quickly formed two organizations, the McCloud Watershed Council and Concerned McCloud Citizens, which took Nestlé and the McCloud Community Services District to court because their contract never included an environmental impact report and so violated the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA).
In March 2005, the Siskiyou County Court ruled in favor of the community groups and the contract was voided. But Nestlé appealed and was victorious in the appellate court, and this round of legal battles ended just last month when the state Supreme Court decided not to hear the case.
But it hasn't all been a loss for concerned community members -- quite the contrary. "We got massive press and a lot of interest from people," said one community member. "Even though we lost, we really gained momentum from that."
Taking on Father Nestlé
Nestlé seems to have its infiltration of rural towns down to a science. The best places are the ones where they can play the jobs card.
"There is a portion of the town that really believes that this is going to somehow help revitalize McCloud and it will bring jobs. This used to be a mill town, so there is a that feeling that someone will just come in and take care of us," said Anderson.
In the old days, the McCloud River Lumber Co. was known as "Mother McCloud" and Nestlé has been playing into the town's mythology, offering itself as a kind of "Father Nestlé," who can get McCloud back on its feet again.
Nestlé's PR rep, Lisa Yarbrough explained, "The McCloud community has suffered through the decline in the local timber industry. The local mill, once the primary community employer, has completely terminated its operations. This proposed water bottling project would provide a means to use the town's abundant renewable natural resource (spring water) to bring back jobs and economic stability to the community."
But, according to Anderson, McCloud is already doing OK on its own and has been in an upswing in the last five years, growing sustainable businesses and feeding off the tourism economy.
And Nestlé is not really the best model of a parent corporation. For over 20 years, it has faced pressure for its aggressive marketing of infant formula in countries with little clean water, which has led to a reduction in breastfeeding and increased risk for infants. According to Global Exchange, the policy "has cost the lives of over 1.5 million infants around the world. But Nestlé's irresponsible attitude towards children doesn't end there. As a leading exporter of cocoa from the Ivory Coast, Nestlé has also been implicated in the ongoing abuse and torture of child cocoa laborers."
And Nestlé's own contribution to the local economy in McCloud is questionable. In Mecosta County, Mich., where Nestlé opened a spring water bottling plant a few years ago, locals have yet to see the promised economic rewards.
"We've found that they mostly hire temp workers," says Donald Roy, who is involved with a citizen action group. "They pay many of them $10 an hour, no benefits, for a temp position, and then they can lay them off and not have to worry about compensation."
Anderson has seen similar things in Northern California, where there are several other bottling plants owned by other companies near McCloud. "Every week the Shasta Herald has ads to work at the bottling plant in Shasta. So obviously they are not jobs that people are running to go get," she said. "If someone from McCloud is really looking for a bottling job, they only have to go 10 minutes to Mount Shasta."
But it is not just the number of jobs that is a concern. "God knows that people need jobs in this area," said Roy of Michigan. "And maybe they need them too in McCloud. I certainly don't want to take a job from someone, but one has to look at the bigger picture and think about sustainable jobs. Is this what you want to see? Back in 1890 to 1920 the timber industry came to Michigan and wiped out this state. I am sure there were plenty of jobs then. They said there was 500 years of timber, and in less than 50 years it was gone. Is that what we want to see again?"
Nestlé has been successful at convincing decision makers in rural communities that a water bottling plant will be their economic savior, but in communities across the country, its promises -- much like the timber industry's -- have not panned out.
Mecosta County's battle with Nestlé was recently detailed in the book " Thirst: Fighting the Corporate Theft of Our Water." The area is among several that have waged battles against the beverage giant, along with communities in Maine, Florida and Texas.
While Nestlé says that the plant will create 60 new jobs at the factory's start-up, and it may expand over time to as many as 240, community groups believe the information is misleading.
"The figures appear to include temporary construction jobs and out-of-area trucking jobs that do nothing for the local economy," reports the McCloud Watershed Council's website. "This will be one of the world's most modern, automated plants. All you have to do is tour one of the existing local water bottling plants or interview one of their laid off employees. No credible, independent economic impact study has been conducted, so the real number is difficult to find."
Anderson worries that if Nestlé does come to McCloud it will actually hurt the economy. The small town would see a huge influx of diesel trucks, about 400-600 trips a day, on its narrow country roads. And the effects on tourism could be detrimental. The facility alone, 1 million square feet, would be the largest building in Northern California -- dwarfing the town.
Nestlé, which had bought the property where the old mill used to be, will be taking a nationally recognized historic building and turning it into a 23-acre plant with 24 acres of asphalt surrounding it.
The environmental impact of the facility is not known -- let alone for the entire operation, which would involve pumping from the McCloud River as well as access to groundwater.
Environmental implications
The McCloud River is one of the most beloved rivers in the state of California, explains Brian Stranko of the group California Trout, which works to protect the state's wild fish. "It is unique -- it doesn't matter if you like to fish or hike or walk -- it is a really pristine watershed of mixed conifers with amazing wildlife -- some of which is threatened or endangered."
Stranko and his group worry that Nestlé's project in McCloud will adversely affect the watershed and its aquatic species.
The aquifer is volcanic and porous. Aqua-colored glacial melt comes off Mt. Shasta and mixes with ancient groundwater from under the mountain as it bubbles up to the river. The McCloud River, from which Nestlé will be drawing, runs into the Shasta Reservoir 40 miles south. The reservoir is one of the biggest in the state and is a huge component of California's water supply. From there the water collects from several rivers and flows to the Sacramento River, feeding cities, towns and farms in the Sacramento Valley.
The watershed is vast and its reach huge. "Water that starts in Shasta could end up in any other part of the state," Stranko says.
To try to quell fears about the water bottling plant's potential effects on the watershed, a draft Environmental Impact Report was released last summer. The way the process works is that a lead agency is appointed to head the report -- in this case it was Siskiyou County. But the county farms out the work to a private firm that drafts the report with Nestlé. After the report is released, the public has a window of time to comment on it, and it is either redrafted or finalized. After a final version is released, the public has 10 days to comment on it and then it goes to the county planning commission and county supervisors to sign off on.
The county has completed its draft EIR and the public has commented on it. McCloud's draft EIR garnered nearly 4,000 comments -- a lot considering the town has less than 1,400 people -- and for good reason. The EIR was "one of the worst, if not the worst we have seen," said Stranko. "We were shocked by how poor it was. It didn't address some of the environmental concerns, it was not thorough and didn't explain alternatives."
Attorney Marsha Burch, who represents Concerned McCloud Citizens wrote:
In summary, the project description is unstable and incomplete. It is actually unclear what is included in the scope of the environmental review ... In almost every technical area, the draft EIR/EA contains insufficient data and analysis, thus failing to provide adequate information to the public and decision makers ... The general deferral of studies and plethora of unsupported assumptions renders the document utterly insufficient ... The enormous impacts are downplayed, analysis is weak and mitigation measures weaker; the entire document reads like a post-decisional justification for the project.The official comments from CalTrout's Curtis Knight and the national group Trout Unlimited's Brian Johnson brought up concern with a number of areas. In general they wrote, "It does not contain the necessary data to assess impacts and therefore cannot conclude that the impacts are less than significant ... it is clear that the document has substantive legal and factual flaws."
Cal Trout, community groups and residents have a list of concerns about the draft. Nestlé was given the right to pump an unlimited amount of groundwater, but how much and from where is not known; the draft does not analyze the effect that a reduction in the river's water will have on fish, downstream habitats or area wells; and there were no reasonal alternative plans suggested, which is a requirement of CEQA. Residents also feel the studies that were conducted were insufficient. The traffic study that was done for only one day, a Sunday, outside the tourist season; the noise study was for only two weekends; and the ecological study was done over a period of months instead of the years that it would require to fully assess the effect on stream flow and surrounding areas.
Community members are also concerned that the study failed to consider what impact global warming may have on the area over the course of the 100 year contract. Their spring water comes from two small glaciers on the southern side of Mount Shasta. Scientists have studied a much larger glacier on the northern side of the mountain and believe that in anywhere from 25 to 100 years, the glacier will be gone. "But our glacier, being on the southern side with more exposure to the sun and smaller is probably more likely to be gone sooner than that," said Anderson.
The plant will also affect not just the McCloud River but an entire watershed, reducing stream flow to the McCloud River Falls, Squaw Creek, Soda Springs, Big Springs, Muir Springs and Mud Creek -- all places that are important to McCloud's heritage and its future. An estimated 77 percent of Northern California's water comes from that area -- so the impact on communities downstream, many of them agricultural, could be dire.
The project also affects the Native community. "Where they are anticipating taking their water out we have cultural areas, villages and sites that we still use today," said Mark Franco, a headman for the Winnemem Wintu tribe. "By them tapping into that water and building their facilities there, they are endangering what we have and what we call a traditional cultural property."
The bottling plant would also put fisheries at risk -- a resource that helps sustain many of the area's small businesses and is vital to tribal people who are working to restore salmon populations.
There is also a serious concern that Nestlé is allowed to drill bore holes -- which are sideways holes into the spring that allows more water to come out. "The problem with that is that causes more water to come out than is recharged," said Anderson. "It can cause a subsidence. The water in the aquifer is what's holding the ground up. The other concern, because we are on a fractured system, is that they could tap into something underneath the water -- if they hit a lava tube, we could end up losing our water because it would destroy the aquifer."
Residents expect to hear from the county around July on whether it will be issuing a final EIR or whether it will be redone, although most think there is no way that the draft could be finalized given the number and scope of the complaints.
Lawyers have even questioned whether the McCloud Service District even has the authority to sell the water -- the project site is not included in the district's service plan.
If it is finalized and approved, Nestlé will likely face another round of lawsuits. "We are hoping that Nestlé will be a real partner in this," said Stranko. "We'd hate to be in court for the next five to ten years on this. But we will if we have to."
Think outside the bottle
McCloud is one small town that is part of a much larger problem with enormous consequences worldwide. "Water is a precious resource that shouldn't be bought or sold," said Gigi Kellett who works for Corporate Accountability International.
Keeping water as a public trust is paramount to maintaining ecologically healthy communities and safe, affordable drinking water for everyone. "The political power of Nestlé is quite significant," said Kellett. "They have been able to negotiate behind closed doors, and we want to expose this."
In McCloud, Nestlé is literally locking up a spring that has been a part of the public commons and a place for people to visit and appreciate. And for the Winnemem Wintu, it is also a sacred place. "We believe this is a public trust issue," said Mark Franco of the tribe. "We have to protect the water, not just for ourselves, but for everyone. That water doesn't belong to us. We don't claim it. How can you mitigate the loss of something like that when they are mitigating your people's history and landscape?"
Across the country, organizations like Corporate Accountability International are launching initiatives to help people "think outside the bottle" and realize the environmental and social implications of drinking bottled water. They are also urging communities to enact legislation to protect their water resources from corporate abuse and for people to help support rural communities that are challenging multinationals with unlimited financial resources.
The stakes are high. "Companies like Nestlé are threatening local and democratic control of water," said Kellett. "But people are starting to realize that. We are beginning to see a more informed and concerned public. Over and over we hear communities saying, 'Our water is not for sale.'"
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Posted by: TDyl on May 30, 2007 3:29 AM
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Good Luck McCloud!
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Posted by: socialpsych on May 30, 2007 3:59 AM
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The article notes that local ordinances can be passed to regulate bottled water companies. In our case, Nestle's withdrawals are regulated by the Delaware River Basin Commission, a secretive group of people with strong ties to industry. Despite vigorous citizen comments and complaints, the DRBC is deaf to anything other than the needs of the bottled water industry. Local government is powerless.
One thing people CAN do is boycott Nestle products. A list of their products can be found at thirdworldtraveler.com/Boycotts/Nestle_boycott.html.
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Posted by: hartsmart on May 30, 2007 4:36 AM
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Quit waterlogging yourself! Drink when thirsty, that will calm the water and you pocket book. It might even close some botteling plants!
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Posted by: katz22br on May 30, 2007 4:43 AM
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The city of São Lourenço, Minas Gerais, in the southeastern part of Brazil, was known for centuries for its springs of mineral-rich waters, and thrived on tourism and on the bottling and distribution of those waters by several small to medium-sized companies. Now Nestlé holds exclusive rights to all springs and underground water, which is extracted at such high volumes that the springs in the town went dry.
Right now, those companies are trying pretty hard to get exclusive rights to the Guarani Aquifer, a veritable "underground sea", the largest deposit of sweet water in the entire world, that lays under Brazil, Uruguay and some neighboring countries. If they get their way, it will be nothing short of a tragedy for a huge part of South America. People have been organizing and protesting this for more than a couple of years, but they don't seem to stand a shred of a chance, unless people on the "demand/consumer" side of the equation stop long enough to think if they really need bottled water.
I've lived in U.S. (Miami) for seven years, and it struck me as very odd that most people would prefer buying gallons and bottles of water every week, instead of using a filter. Here in Brazil, most homes have filters made of clay, which not only improve the taste and quality of tap water, but also keep it at a nice fresh temperature. It's cheap, lasts for many years, it's nature-friendly - no plastic containers to discard every week - doesn't use electricity and the filtering element, also made of clay, can be washed and reused many times.
So start thinking about it, and help stop financing those companies that are literally sucking springs dry not only here, but all over the world. Don't like the taste of municipal water? Buy a filter, the simpler the better - you will know for sure what you're drinking, you'll be making sure future generations have water to drink, and you'll be saving more than a buck or two...
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Posted by: gellero on May 30, 2007 5:23 AM
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There is a positive benefit, though. Most water is fluoridated. There's plenty of evidence this has a negative impact over a lifetime. And if people choose water over sugary soft drinks, there may be less adult-onset diabetes, although the association is not totally clear. Good for the public health.
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Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on May 30, 2007 6:12 AM
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One of my favorite jokes is about a older man who asks his son, "What are you drinking out of that fancy bottle?", and the son replies, "Water." "Okay," replies the father, "but what came in the bottle before that?"
(All right, so I'm easily amused.)
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Posted by: nancylou on May 30, 2007 6:34 AM
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Addendum: Public taste tests on TV (Fine Living) recently in LA showed many people could not tell the difference between bottled water and LA city water. What does that say? Don't like the clorine taste? Let it sit in the fridge for a day-voila! Bottle your own.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 30, 2007 6:51 AM
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Part of the problem, as I see it, is that we, residents of our respective towns/cities/regions have NO claim to any of our natural resources... the claim resting, rather, with government... which often sells those resources to corporate interests. Yes, it may make some money for the town, but we have also had what could have been used locally taken away to be sold for a profit. In so many ways we are seeing our neighborhoods, our communities, our towns sold out from under us. We are alienated from land, resources, as well as government in so many ways... and are thrust instead into a situation where we must pay in cash even for things that occur naturally where we live.
I see our most pressing concern being taking our communities back and reestablishing our own power. With such a power base, we can then begin to effectively address our other serious problems.
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Posted by: Overburdened Planet on May 30, 2007 7:38 AM
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Poor mothers in Africa and Asia are sold a concept (formula vs breastfeeding) by people who are taught how to sell Nestlé formula. These people are paid, with money, uniforms and gifts.
There are now codes of conduct to properly educate these poor mothers, but when they’re exposed to free samples, and a lack of oversight, what happens?
Mothers’ who "buy the hype" long enough stop lactating, forcing them to rely on what was once free infant formula, which they then cannot afford, creating a situation where the infant either doesn’t get enough sustenance to survive, or deprived as the mothers water down the formula.
Infant formula, when mixed with poor quality water, further exposes their underdeveloped immune systems to water-born diseases a mother's antibodies could've helped fight, at least in part, not to mention other aspects of breast milk's nutritional value, compared to human-made formula.
There’s always more to these stories. I recommend you read more.
African/Asian Infantcide by Nestlé
Nestlé "Nestlé does not provide mothers in the developing world with free samples of our infant formula products - in fact, Nestlé has no contact at all with mothers with regard to these. If any of Nestlé's infant formula staff were found to be making direct contact with mothers, they would have to answer to strict internal disciplinary procedures."
Nestlé states they aren't involved and that their are penatlies, but if you read the blurb carefully, they simply distance themselves from the act, not that these things aren't (probably?) still going on. (Earlier I mentioned lack of oversight because I imagined poorer nations, trying to monitor and enforce these codes onto an already poor population, would be impractical).
Boycott Nestlé
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Posted by: sphoenix on May 30, 2007 8:36 AM
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I mean...if it got too "difficult" for Nestle' to do business in your small town...would they leave? Or would we see a return to the early 20th century, when government called out the National Guard to force people back to work...or in this case to protect the rights of a multi-billion dollar corporation?
This is huge from a human rights perspective...and it won't stop soon. As global warming accelerates, water will become more scarce, and more corporations will be stealing...errr...acquiring leases to dwindling water supplies. Are We the People going to stand by and let THEM take our most precious natural asset? What next? Will they put a claim on the runoff from your roof?
The time is nigh for the People to take back what belongs to them...to US!! Boycotts only work if a strong majority supports it. Since the "majority" is absolutely clueless that this is even happening, you can't count on them for anything. I suggest you consider more....ahem....direct responses. It's time to make Nestle' and their ilk...UNWELCOME.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on May 30, 2007 10:13 AM
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The author claims that Nestle Waters has over 70 brands. It actually only has 15 brands.
The author cites an article stating that the project in California has the potential to "gross $5,386,451,712. If Nestle nets one-fifth of what the water sells for, it would make over $1 billion a year." That is a very misleading statement. In 2005 the total sales (gross revenue) for NWNA (including Canada) was $3.388 billion. That is for a total of 23 plants and 71 distribution branches. The claim in the article that a single plant would NET over $1 billion dollars is just absurd.
He also checked on the Mecosta plant discussed in this article. The author quotes a person stating that "we've found they mostly hire temp workers." The figures provided to me were that the Mecosta plant has approx. 245 full-time employees and approximately 20-30 temp workers to handle seasonal fluctuations in labor needs (people drink more bottled water in the summer, after all). That hardly qualifies as "mostly temp workers" by any measure. Furthermore the company provides medical, dental and vision insurance to all full-time employees and allows employees to cover domestic partners (straight and homosexual) under their insurance plan. Starting pay for entry-level positions at the Mecosta plant is $17 an hour.
NWNA has never shut a single plant down, as the author implies, when the water dries up. They don't build their $200 million dollar plants on wheels and it is in that organization's interest to practice ecologically sustainable business processes, i.e. not pulling more than the spring can support.
I'm all for reforming the water regulations so that they are equitable for businesses, cities and private individuals. Authors making arguments that cannot stand on their own merits (or authors that don't do a good job of researching, perhaps) and present inaccurate and misleading information as gospel do not grant any credibility to environmental reformists. If we make our arguments on solid facts and credible information it will go a lot further towards achieving real progressive reform. This article is just slinging mud at a corporation that, although some of its practices may be in need of reform, also provides the kind of jobs I want to see in my area and seems to have a highly progressive policy towards its employees. Don't blame the corporations, blame the people who didn't regulate them properly (i.e. citizens and government officials).
I don't buy bottled water and neither does my family member that works for them. Good-ol tap water run through a filter is just fine for me.
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Posted by: kelly.nickell on May 30, 2007 10:59 AM
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If one considers the impact of just how much of it we use and what for, then begin the painful process of tracking those paths, it’s not too difficult to see a time when perhaps a large multinational oil company teams up with a large controller of water resources for squeezing the last of the light sweet crude from oil fields that will soon be in need of more water to pump peak oil.
A read of Robert Kaplan’s The Coming Anarchy sheds light on one of the sources of future global conflict – resource depletion – particularly water, and drops a cold glassful right in your lap as to just how serious it can be.
If you look closely as well at the conflicts fought over the last – say, thirty years in the U.S. – Northern California water resources supplying southern Cali, the struggle over the Ogallala Aquifer and water conservation measures undertaken by water districts trying to limit well concentrations on the High Plains, The continued depletion of the upper Missouri river to floats barges down south, the problems of the Hanford nuclear facility at the confluence of the Snake and Columbia, The influence of MTBE on ground water supplies all over the country and the Get-out-of-Jail-Free card that Cheney managed to write into the Energy Bill to absolves folks like Chevron of any responsibility for the seventy-seven or more law suits involving MTBE contamination, rocket fuel production contamination of water in the Los Angeles basin, and as an added thought – one of the only water treatment facilities that the Bureau of Land Reclamation actually runs themselves in Leadville, Colorado, treating the water that is being used out of the veritable Swiss cheese of old mines beneath the city – Leadville, sounds like good water doesn’t it?. Lastly, things like the ranchers of Oregon coming to the realization that tearing out beaver dams destroyed riparian zones and made for sparse grazing for cattle along creeks and streams where it was done. Just a few from the top of my head.
More; Lake Okeechobee of southern Florida right now at dangerously low levels for the first time in quite some time; the water supply of the Keys – no fresh water – desalination, or pump it in. The Huge aquifer project of New York City. And lest we forget, the impact of drought and poor practices – The Dust Bowl – the only bowl not now owned by a large corporation, but still possibly to be played out in the next fifty years.
And we are the losers; no ring, no trophy, no contracts, just the continuation of what I see as a more serious problem than a lack of oil. Think of the fights to come.
I can’t drink oil, and it’s just a guess but Cheney can’t either, but it is debatable for that iron nut bastard, I digress. We had better get busy protecting our water – all of it.
The irony is two fold. If we can wean ourselves off these stupid little plastic bottles we can solve a small portion of our pollution problem and our oil problem. The recent article on the Bottle Bill proves that.
My goal for the future is to do all that I can to make the things Cheney likes to make money from worthless and along the way do what I should have been doing all along anyway. I know it’s a waste of time, but I can try.
As for Nestle’ – good luck with that partnership with Haliburtan.
And to the folks that gave away McCloud – may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
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Posted by: mom'z the word on May 30, 2007 11:18 AM
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I often wondered how we could rightful sell that which we had no hand in the creation of and claim it as our own and then, here is where I believe the great travesty occurs, sell it. Selling precious gifts provided free of charge by Mother Nature seems somehow to be very sacrilegious. By taking something that by rights inclusively belongs to everyone and selling it exclusively to only those that can purchase it, is a threat to the nature of our existence. We need, as well as all other living things on earth, water, trees, plants, dirt, air, and sunshine. Only Mother Nature can create these things. She is the rightful owner. We are mere recipients. We cannot make water, air, trees or plants, out of thin air like Mother Nature does naturally, every second, of the day. These gifts were never meant to make some people rich at the expense of others. These gifts are meant to be shared, nurtured and protected by everyone that needs and uses them. That is the law. And it is not smart or safe to break nature’s law.
The penalties are severe. Nature is balance. If mankind does not get its act together and stop upsetting the balance by taking more than their fair share, there is no doubt that Mother Nature will make the changes to set things right. She doesn’t need anyone permission either. She just does it when it’s the right thing to do. She has been very patient with us up until now. I sense her patience is wearing thin. It would be wise of us to start making an effort to show we are grateful for the gifts by sharing and caring for them or she will find someone who will appreciate her. She doesn't need us. Nature could get along just fine without humans. And if we prove to be selfish little ingrates well then who would blame her for getting rid of us.
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Posted by: freethink7 on May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
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Nestle uses cocoa beans harvested by illegal/slave child labor in order to make exorbitant profits. Please don't buy chocolate from this insidious and unethical corp. Boycott!
For a list of "Most Wanted" Corporate Human Rights Violators
Go to this website:
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Posted by: xtymcg on May 30, 2007 12:33 PM
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As a resident of Detroit the fight between Nestle and communities in rural Michigan hits close to home. It hits even CLOSER to home because Nestle managed to ram through a dangerous legal loophole during our state legislative cycle in 2006.
Namely, we have a limit on large-scale water diversions UNLESS the water is being diverted in containers of 5.7 gallons or less. That's right--if you want to divert 5 million gallons of water away from the Great Lakes without public approval all you need to do is put that water in tiny plastic bottles and charge consumers an arm and a leg. No pipeline necessary! In a nutshell, we have chipped away at the public trust doctrine that has previously been the hallmark of water use law.
What do we do: fight back! We can close this legislative loophole and protect all waters regardless of container size, stop buying into the scam that is bottled water, and get strong laws on the books that codify water as something guarded by the public trust.
We also HAVE to invest in public drinking water systems. The solution to water quality issues is not to prop up the bottled water industry.
For more information, and to find out ways we can fight back, please visit: www.cleanwateraction.org/mi OR www.savemiwater.org
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Posted by: bob t on May 30, 2007 1:08 PM
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Evo morales seems to be for the people and I hope he truly is and does accordingly. Same with other latin american leaders like Batchelet et.al.
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Posted by: eosrk on May 30, 2007 1:43 PM
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US navy does it everyday!
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Posted by: DinTN on May 30, 2007 3:20 PM
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You got to see this video! Nestle hires scumbag contractors that hire illegal aliens from day labor sites. Nestle knows this!
You'll love the "F##K America" guy.
Nestle did the same thing to my town, Red Boiling Springs, Tennessee. They built a plant about 4 1/2 minutes from my house.
Bring jobs?? Sure most are from out of town and came with the company.
But Nestle hiring illegal aliens is no problem to our MAYOR, KENNETH HOLLIS, who owns a trailer park full of illegal Mexicans. He's known as the "Slumlord of Red Boiling Springs".
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Previous link removed..this is a better one.
"F@@K white people, F@@K America!" straight from the mouth of a Nestle contractor.
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Posted by: sofla100 on May 30, 2007 3:47 PM
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http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/nbw.asp
The water often comes from taps, or it is dirtier or more polluted than the local water. Of course, the bottled water always "tastes" better than the tap. The power of the mind at work.
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Posted by: Pinecone on May 30, 2007 4:10 PM
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It would be a tragedy indeed if our natural water supplies were allowed to be used up and our communities environmentally destroyed (all the records confirm that this is the result of bottling water) providing jobs for people to work in an "industry" that provides a product that no-one needs!
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Posted by: Sparks56 on May 30, 2007 6:23 PM
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The town needs to take a close look at the recent finances of the people on this board. They were bought by Nestle. How much did they sell the town down the river for?
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 30, 2007 9:56 PM
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I can NOT understand why the world has not stood up to Nestle and their insidious, disgusting, dangerous tactics.
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Posted by: la2004 on May 31, 2007 12:20 PM
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CEQA AND NESTLE'S INADEQUATE EIR SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO STOP THIS.
Hopefully they can hire an environmental law firm to shut this thing down. Nestle sucks. Vote with your dollars.!
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Posted by: siskiyou on May 31, 2007 8:07 PM
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The survey discussed was a joke, it is easy to get the numbers you wish when you avoid the people that you know are for the project or bully and confuse others. What was more telling (which was not discussed) was that in the recent Services District election; 6 candidates ran for 3 positions. 3 were pro-Nestle and 3 were against. All 3 of the pro-Nestle candidates easily won.
Yes, there are jobs in the water plants in Mt. Shasta, but they only make $8 per hour and they ARE temps. Nestle's would not be. No one believes that Nestle is going to be a saviour and no one really wants them to be. However, Nestle is a clean industry and will provide jobs and the secondary jobs it will bring in will help those businesses that are struggling to stay open.
The traffic study was not done for one day it was done over a year period and not just once on a Sunday, check the Cal-Trans reports. Also when the lumber mill ran there were logging trucks on that road right and left and no one really complained then. For the trucks to travel the way this article stated minimally that would be 1 truck every 30 seconds to 1 minute 24 hours a day. Get real!
Another lie is that if there is a drought Nestle can continue to take the same amount of water without cutbacking thier usage. Nestle will be a customer and so will be held to the same cutbacks in times of drought. If the water rates go up for locals (this is something now being proposed) then they go up for Nestle as well. Thats in the contract too.
Has anyone noted that the old lumber mill had a massive log pond which never drained the river? Did anyone note that the state strickly regulates this same river and if a certain amount of water does not flow over the Lakin Dam due to activities they severely fine the offender?
Finally, there is a group of townspeople that support the Nestle project; it is called the Grassroots Committee and includes a large number of the community. Having open and honest debates is a good thing, but knowingly giving misinformation or not checking into statements is wrong. The author of this article should have contacted people who are for the project and not just listened to just one side. To not do so is a misservice to not only the people intimately affected but also to your readers.
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Posted by: Monk on May 31, 2007 9:08 PM
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I always wondered how in the world
all this bottled water comes to us.
And how nice it was for people to sell their water to us!
We have bought bottled water for years.
52 cents a gallon at Wal-Mart. And the little Nestle bottles.
Because I really prefer the taste to our tap water.
Which is really good,
compared to the cities of Indianapolis,
and Greenwood Indiana.
Their tap water doesn't smell good. And taste really bad!
We live in a wooded Community in the southern hills
between two Spring Lakes. An hour from Indy.
One lake is 255 acres, the other 365 acres. 90 feet deep.
So now I know how these people feel.
If we lost our precious little lakes
and beautiful wildlife area to big business.
We will be buying a filter system.
And say good bye to the big business of bottled water. ~
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Posted by: axe_throwing_lady on May 31, 2007 9:52 PM
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Another tactic used by these so called conservationists is to scare you to death by claiming that these multination corporations somehow have an unlimited need for water. In 2004 Americans drank on the average 26 gallons of bottled water - a significant portion being purified and not spring. In contrast that same year they consumed 52 gallons of soft drinks. Those same Americans in 2004 used 90,000 gallons of tap water in their homes. In other words there is a limited demand for spring water and no company, no matter how greedy, is going to produce more bottled water than it can sell. So, when these so called concerned citizens (concerned for their own greed) start telling you the "the sky is falling" tell them to drink some bottled water and cool off.
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Posted by: MIST on Jun 3, 2007 2:54 PM
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If public wisdom prevailed instead of corporate greed, then McCloud's pure water could be delivered more cost effectively to thirsty urban areas to the south in California where most of it will end up. Nestle's inefficient heavy trucking of billions of water bottles along overcrowded highways is more environmentally harmful. Instead, spring water could simply flow downhill to distribution centers in stainless steel pipes using free gravity rather than costly diesel fuel to move it. McCloud is over 3000 feet above sea level so electric pumps would hardly be needed. The principle is time-tested like ancient Roman aquaducts. Piping rather than trucking would save fuel costs, reduce road repair costs, cut traffic accidents, lessen trucking air and noise pollution, and reduce global warming. Pipes could parallel natural river courses and utilize Interstate-5 highway right-of-ways. With less money wasted on transportation and bottling, more would be left over and McCloud residents could be paid fairly for their water so they too could enjoy a better standard of living. At urban water distribution centers in Redding, Sacramento, San Francisco and elsewhere, purchasers could bring in recyclable water jugs to fill rather than end up with billions of land-filled plastic bottles to dispose of. Nestle could still sell spring water... but without the hidden costs that society must bear.
So why wasn't this viable project alternative analyzed by the Environmental Impact Report? The political restriction against shipping bulk water out of Siskiyou County is hardly a real impediment, or good reason, to suffer the environmental consequences that bottling and trucking poses. Or why didn't that EIR even consider the more cost-effective and environmentally-preferable alternative of shipping bottled water by railroads which are well suited to moving heavy shipments to distant urban areas? Because Nestle doesn't want people to think cost effectively. Nestle profits from public stupidity. Are we to be victims of such greed, or will we boycott foreign corporation attacks like this on our country?
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jun 5, 2007 10:03 AM
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our pending extinction? You can move out of one small
town, but when hydrogen sulfide bubbles out of the ocean in
sufficient quantities to cause a major extinction event, the
nearest safe place will be Mars. Reference the Scientific
American article "Impact from the Deep", in the October 2006
issue on pages 65 to 71. The article says: If the global
warming trend [from whatever cause] continues for 200 years
[or now less than 200 years] we will go extinct. The cause
of the extinction of Homo Sapiens will be hydrogen sulfide
bubbling out of the hot oceans. Hydrogen sulfide is a poison
gas. We have to stop the global warming or die. See:
http://www.alternet.org/environment/52799/?cID=670542
"Bush Makes Empty Climate Change Pledge" in this issue of
the email.
Reference:
http://www.alternet.org/environment/52222/
"Carbon Emissions Exceed Highest Assumptions Used in
Climate Change Studies"
By Peter N. Spotts, Christian Science Monitor. Posted May
22, 2007."
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Posted by: TDyl on May 30, 2007 3:29 AM
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Good Luck McCloud!
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Posted by: socialpsych on May 30, 2007 3:59 AM
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The article notes that local ordinances can be passed to regulate bottled water companies. In our case, Nestle's withdrawals are regulated by the Delaware River Basin Commission, a secretive group of people with strong ties to industry. Despite vigorous citizen comments and complaints, the DRBC is deaf to anything other than the needs of the bottled water industry. Local government is powerless.
One thing people CAN do is boycott Nestle products. A list of their products can be found at thirdworldtraveler.com/Boycotts/Nestle_boycott.html.
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Posted by: hartsmart on May 30, 2007 4:36 AM
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Quit waterlogging yourself! Drink when thirsty, that will calm the water and you pocket book. It might even close some botteling plants!
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Posted by: katz22br on May 30, 2007 4:43 AM
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The city of São Lourenço, Minas Gerais, in the southeastern part of Brazil, was known for centuries for its springs of mineral-rich waters, and thrived on tourism and on the bottling and distribution of those waters by several small to medium-sized companies. Now Nestlé holds exclusive rights to all springs and underground water, which is extracted at such high volumes that the springs in the town went dry.
Right now, those companies are trying pretty hard to get exclusive rights to the Guarani Aquifer, a veritable "underground sea", the largest deposit of sweet water in the entire world, that lays under Brazil, Uruguay and some neighboring countries. If they get their way, it will be nothing short of a tragedy for a huge part of South America. People have been organizing and protesting this for more than a couple of years, but they don't seem to stand a shred of a chance, unless people on the "demand/consumer" side of the equation stop long enough to think if they really need bottled water.
I've lived in U.S. (Miami) for seven years, and it struck me as very odd that most people would prefer buying gallons and bottles of water every week, instead of using a filter. Here in Brazil, most homes have filters made of clay, which not only improve the taste and quality of tap water, but also keep it at a nice fresh temperature. It's cheap, lasts for many years, it's nature-friendly - no plastic containers to discard every week - doesn't use electricity and the filtering element, also made of clay, can be washed and reused many times.
So start thinking about it, and help stop financing those companies that are literally sucking springs dry not only here, but all over the world. Don't like the taste of municipal water? Buy a filter, the simpler the better - you will know for sure what you're drinking, you'll be making sure future generations have water to drink, and you'll be saving more than a buck or two...
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Posted by: gellero on May 30, 2007 5:23 AM
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There is a positive benefit, though. Most water is fluoridated. There's plenty of evidence this has a negative impact over a lifetime. And if people choose water over sugary soft drinks, there may be less adult-onset diabetes, although the association is not totally clear. Good for the public health.
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Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on May 30, 2007 6:12 AM
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One of my favorite jokes is about a older man who asks his son, "What are you drinking out of that fancy bottle?", and the son replies, "Water." "Okay," replies the father, "but what came in the bottle before that?"
(All right, so I'm easily amused.)
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Posted by: nancylou on May 30, 2007 6:34 AM
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Addendum: Public taste tests on TV (Fine Living) recently in LA showed many people could not tell the difference between bottled water and LA city water. What does that say? Don't like the clorine taste? Let it sit in the fridge for a day-voila! Bottle your own.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 30, 2007 6:51 AM
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Part of the problem, as I see it, is that we, residents of our respective towns/cities/regions have NO claim to any of our natural resources... the claim resting, rather, with government... which often sells those resources to corporate interests. Yes, it may make some money for the town, but we have also had what could have been used locally taken away to be sold for a profit. In so many ways we are seeing our neighborhoods, our communities, our towns sold out from under us. We are alienated from land, resources, as well as government in so many ways... and are thrust instead into a situation where we must pay in cash even for things that occur naturally where we live.
I see our most pressing concern being taking our communities back and reestablishing our own power. With such a power base, we can then begin to effectively address our other serious problems.
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Posted by: Overburdened Planet on May 30, 2007 7:38 AM
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Poor mothers in Africa and Asia are sold a concept (formula vs breastfeeding) by people who are taught how to sell Nestlé formula. These people are paid, with money, uniforms and gifts.
There are now codes of conduct to properly educate these poor mothers, but when they’re exposed to free samples, and a lack of oversight, what happens?
Mothers’ who "buy the hype" long enough stop lactating, forcing them to rely on what was once free infant formula, which they then cannot afford, creating a situation where the infant either doesn’t get enough sustenance to survive, or deprived as the mothers water down the formula.
Infant formula, when mixed with poor quality water, further exposes their underdeveloped immune systems to water-born diseases a mother's antibodies could've helped fight, at least in part, not to mention other aspects of breast milk's nutritional value, compared to human-made formula.
There’s always more to these stories. I recommend you read more.
African/Asian Infantcide by Nestlé
Nestlé "Nestlé does not provide mothers in the developing world with free samples of our infant formula products - in fact, Nestlé has no contact at all with mothers with regard to these. If any of Nestlé's infant formula staff were found to be making direct contact with mothers, they would have to answer to strict internal disciplinary procedures."
Nestlé states they aren't involved and that their are penatlies, but if you read the blurb carefully, they simply distance themselves from the act, not that these things aren't (probably?) still going on. (Earlier I mentioned lack of oversight because I imagined poorer nations, trying to monitor and enforce these codes onto an already poor population, would be impractical).
Boycott Nestlé
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Posted by: sphoenix on May 30, 2007 8:36 AM
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I mean...if it got too "difficult" for Nestle' to do business in your small town...would they leave? Or would we see a return to the early 20th century, when government called out the National Guard to force people back to work...or in this case to protect the rights of a multi-billion dollar corporation?
This is huge from a human rights perspective...and it won't stop soon. As global warming accelerates, water will become more scarce, and more corporations will be stealing...errr...acquiring leases to dwindling water supplies. Are We the People going to stand by and let THEM take our most precious natural asset? What next? Will they put a claim on the runoff from your roof?
The time is nigh for the People to take back what belongs to them...to US!! Boycotts only work if a strong majority supports it. Since the "majority" is absolutely clueless that this is even happening, you can't count on them for anything. I suggest you consider more....ahem....direct responses. It's time to make Nestle' and their ilk...UNWELCOME.
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Posted by: Pirate1 on May 30, 2007 9:57 AM
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on May 30, 2007 10:13 AM
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The author claims that Nestle Waters has over 70 brands. It actually only has 15 brands.
The author cites an article stating that the project in California has the potential to "gross $5,386,451,712. If Nestle nets one-fifth of what the water sells for, it would make over $1 billion a year." That is a very misleading statement. In 2005 the total sales (gross revenue) for NWNA (including Canada) was $3.388 billion. That is for a total of 23 plants and 71 distribution branches. The claim in the article that a single plant would NET over $1 billion dollars is just absurd.
He also checked on the Mecosta plant discussed in this article. The author quotes a person stating that "we've found they mostly hire temp workers." The figures provided to me were that the Mecosta plant has approx. 245 full-time employees and approximately 20-30 temp workers to handle seasonal fluctuations in labor needs (people drink more bottled water in the summer, after all). That hardly qualifies as "mostly temp workers" by any measure. Furthermore the company provides medical, dental and vision insurance to all full-time employees and allows employees to cover domestic partners (straight and homosexual) under their insurance plan. Starting pay for entry-level positions at the Mecosta plant is $17 an hour.
NWNA has never shut a single plant down, as the author implies, when the water dries up. They don't build their $200 million dollar plants on wheels and it is in that organization's interest to practice ecologically sustainable business processes, i.e. not pulling more than the spring can support.
I'm all for reforming the water regulations so that they are equitable for businesses, cities and private individuals. Authors making arguments that cannot stand on their own merits (or authors that don't do a good job of researching, perhaps) and present inaccurate and misleading information as gospel do not grant any credibility to environmental reformists. If we make our arguments on solid facts and credible information it will go a lot further towards achieving real progressive reform. This article is just slinging mud at a corporation that, although some of its practices may be in need of reform, also provides the kind of jobs I want to see in my area and seems to have a highly progressive policy towards its employees. Don't blame the corporations, blame the people who didn't regulate them properly (i.e. citizens and government officials).
I don't buy bottled water and neither does my family member that works for them. Good-ol tap water run through a filter is just fine for me.
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Posted by: kelly.nickell on May 30, 2007 10:59 AM
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If one considers the impact of just how much of it we use and what for, then begin the painful process of tracking those paths, it’s not too difficult to see a time when perhaps a large multinational oil company teams up with a large controller of water resources for squeezing the last of the light sweet crude from oil fields that will soon be in need of more water to pump peak oil.
A read of Robert Kaplan’s The Coming Anarchy sheds light on one of the sources of future global conflict – resource depletion – particularly water, and drops a cold glassful right in your lap as to just how serious it can be.
If you look closely as well at the conflicts fought over the last – say, thirty years in the U.S. – Northern California water resources supplying southern Cali, the struggle over the Ogallala Aquifer and water conservation measures undertaken by water districts trying to limit well concentrations on the High Plains, The continued depletion of the upper Missouri river to floats barges down south, the problems of the Hanford nuclear facility at the confluence of the Snake and Columbia, The influence of MTBE on ground water supplies all over the country and the Get-out-of-Jail-Free card that Cheney managed to write into the Energy Bill to absolves folks like Chevron of any responsibility for the seventy-seven or more law suits involving MTBE contamination, rocket fuel production contamination of water in the Los Angeles basin, and as an added thought – one of the only water treatment facilities that the Bureau of Land Reclamation actually runs themselves in Leadville, Colorado, treating the water that is being used out of the veritable Swiss cheese of old mines beneath the city – Leadville, sounds like good water doesn’t it?. Lastly, things like the ranchers of Oregon coming to the realization that tearing out beaver dams destroyed riparian zones and made for sparse grazing for cattle along creeks and streams where it was done. Just a few from the top of my head.
More; Lake Okeechobee of southern Florida right now at dangerously low levels for the first time in quite some time; the water supply of the Keys – no fresh water – desalination, or pump it in. The Huge aquifer project of New York City. And lest we forget, the impact of drought and poor practices – The Dust Bowl – the only bowl not now owned by a large corporation, but still possibly to be played out in the next fifty years.
And we are the losers; no ring, no trophy, no contracts, just the continuation of what I see as a more serious problem than a lack of oil. Think of the fights to come.
I can’t drink oil, and it’s just a guess but Cheney can’t either, but it is debatable for that iron nut bastard, I digress. We had better get busy protecting our water – all of it.
The irony is two fold. If we can wean ourselves off these stupid little plastic bottles we can solve a small portion of our pollution problem and our oil problem. The recent article on the Bottle Bill proves that.
My goal for the future is to do all that I can to make the things Cheney likes to make money from worthless and along the way do what I should have been doing all along anyway. I know it’s a waste of time, but I can try.
As for Nestle’ – good luck with that partnership with Haliburtan.
And to the folks that gave away McCloud – may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
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Posted by: mom'z the word on May 30, 2007 11:18 AM
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I often wondered how we could rightful sell that which we had no hand in the creation of and claim it as our own and then, here is where I believe the great travesty occurs, sell it. Selling precious gifts provided free of charge by Mother Nature seems somehow to be very sacrilegious. By taking something that by rights inclusively belongs to everyone and selling it exclusively to only those that can purchase it, is a threat to the nature of our existence. We need, as well as all other living things on earth, water, trees, plants, dirt, air, and sunshine. Only Mother Nature can create these things. She is the rightful owner. We are mere recipients. We cannot make water, air, trees or plants, out of thin air like Mother Nature does naturally, every second, of the day. These gifts were never meant to make some people rich at the expense of others. These gifts are meant to be shared, nurtured and protected by everyone that needs and uses them. That is the law. And it is not smart or safe to break nature’s law.
The penalties are severe. Nature is balance. If mankind does not get its act together and stop upsetting the balance by taking more than their fair share, there is no doubt that Mother Nature will make the changes to set things right. She doesn’t need anyone permission either. She just does it when it’s the right thing to do. She has been very patient with us up until now. I sense her patience is wearing thin. It would be wise of us to start making an effort to show we are grateful for the gifts by sharing and caring for them or she will find someone who will appreciate her. She doesn't need us. Nature could get along just fine without humans. And if we prove to be selfish little ingrates well then who would blame her for getting rid of us.
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Posted by: freethink7 on May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
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Nestle uses cocoa beans harvested by illegal/slave child labor in order to make exorbitant profits. Please don't buy chocolate from this insidious and unethical corp. Boycott!
For a list of "Most Wanted" Corporate Human Rights Violators
Go to this website:
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Posted by: xtymcg on May 30, 2007 12:33 PM
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As a resident of Detroit the fight between Nestle and communities in rural Michigan hits close to home. It hits even CLOSER to home because Nestle managed to ram through a dangerous legal loophole during our state legislative cycle in 2006.
Namely, we have a limit on large-scale water diversions UNLESS the water is being diverted in containers of 5.7 gallons or less. That's right--if you want to divert 5 million gallons of water away from the Great Lakes without public approval all you need to do is put that water in tiny plastic bottles and charge consumers an arm and a leg. No pipeline necessary! In a nutshell, we have chipped away at the public trust doctrine that has previously been the hallmark of water use law.
What do we do: fight back! We can close this legislative loophole and protect all waters regardless of container size, stop buying into the scam that is bottled water, and get strong laws on the books that codify water as something guarded by the public trust.
We also HAVE to invest in public drinking water systems. The solution to water quality issues is not to prop up the bottled water industry.
For more information, and to find out ways we can fight back, please visit: www.cleanwateraction.org/mi OR www.savemiwater.org
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Posted by: bob t on May 30, 2007 1:08 PM
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Evo morales seems to be for the people and I hope he truly is and does accordingly. Same with other latin american leaders like Batchelet et.al.
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Posted by: eosrk on May 30, 2007 1:43 PM
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US navy does it everyday!
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Posted by: DinTN on May 30, 2007 3:20 PM
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You got to see this video! Nestle hires scumbag contractors that hire illegal aliens from day labor sites. Nestle knows this!
You'll love the "F##K America" guy.
Nestle did the same thing to my town, Red Boiling Springs, Tennessee. They built a plant about 4 1/2 minutes from my house.
Bring jobs?? Sure most are from out of town and came with the company.
But Nestle hiring illegal aliens is no problem to our MAYOR, KENNETH HOLLIS, who owns a trailer park full of illegal Mexicans. He's known as the "Slumlord of Red Boiling Springs".
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Previous link removed..this is a better one.
"F@@K white people, F@@K America!" straight from the mouth of a Nestle contractor.
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Posted by: sofla100 on May 30, 2007 3:47 PM
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http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/nbw.asp
The water often comes from taps, or it is dirtier or more polluted than the local water. Of course, the bottled water always "tastes" better than the tap. The power of the mind at work.
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Posted by: Pinecone on May 30, 2007 4:10 PM
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It would be a tragedy indeed if our natural water supplies were allowed to be used up and our communities environmentally destroyed (all the records confirm that this is the result of bottling water) providing jobs for people to work in an "industry" that provides a product that no-one needs!
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Posted by: Sparks56 on May 30, 2007 6:23 PM
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The town needs to take a close look at the recent finances of the people on this board. They were bought by Nestle. How much did they sell the town down the river for?
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 30, 2007 9:56 PM
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I can NOT understand why the world has not stood up to Nestle and their insidious, disgusting, dangerous tactics.
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Posted by: la2004 on May 31, 2007 12:20 PM
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CEQA AND NESTLE'S INADEQUATE EIR SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO STOP THIS.
Hopefully they can hire an environmental law firm to shut this thing down. Nestle sucks. Vote with your dollars.!
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Posted by: siskiyou on May 31, 2007 8:07 PM
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The survey discussed was a joke, it is easy to get the numbers you wish when you avoid the people that you know are for the project or bully and confuse others. What was more telling (which was not discussed) was that in the recent Services District election; 6 candidates ran for 3 positions. 3 were pro-Nestle and 3 were against. All 3 of the pro-Nestle candidates easily won.
Yes, there are jobs in the water plants in Mt. Shasta, but they only make $8 per hour and they ARE temps. Nestle's would not be. No one believes that Nestle is going to be a saviour and no one really wants them to be. However, Nestle is a clean industry and will provide jobs and the secondary jobs it will bring in will help those businesses that are struggling to stay open.
The traffic study was not done for one day it was done over a year period and not just once on a Sunday, check the Cal-Trans reports. Also when the lumber mill ran there were logging trucks on that road right and left and no one really complained then. For the trucks to travel the way this article stated minimally that would be 1 truck every 30 seconds to 1 minute 24 hours a day. Get real!
Another lie is that if there is a drought Nestle can continue to take the same amount of water without cutbacking thier usage. Nestle will be a customer and so will be held to the same cutbacks in times of drought. If the water rates go up for locals (this is something now being proposed) then they go up for Nestle as well. Thats in the contract too.
Has anyone noted that the old lumber mill had a massive log pond which never drained the river? Did anyone note that the state strickly regulates this same river and if a certain amount of water does not flow over the Lakin Dam due to activities they severely fine the offender?
Finally, there is a group of townspeople that support the Nestle project; it is called the Grassroots Committee and includes a large number of the community. Having open and honest debates is a good thing, but knowingly giving misinformation or not checking into statements is wrong. The author of this article should have contacted people who are for the project and not just listened to just one side. To not do so is a misservice to not only the people intimately affected but also to your readers.
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Posted by: Monk on May 31, 2007 9:08 PM
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I always wondered how in the world
all this bottled water comes to us.
And how nice it was for people to sell their water to us!
We have bought bottled water for years.
52 cents a gallon at Wal-Mart. And the little Nestle bottles.
Because I really prefer the taste to our tap water.
Which is really good,
compared to the cities of Indianapolis,
and Greenwood Indiana.
Their tap water doesn't smell good. And taste really bad!
We live in a wooded Community in the southern hills
between two Spring Lakes. An hour from Indy.
One lake is 255 acres, the other 365 acres. 90 feet deep.
So now I know how these people feel.
If we lost our precious little lakes
and beautiful wildlife area to big business.
We will be buying a filter system.
And say good bye to the big business of bottled water. ~
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Posted by: axe_throwing_lady on May 31, 2007 9:52 PM
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Another tactic used by these so called conservationists is to scare you to death by claiming that these multination corporations somehow have an unlimited need for water. In 2004 Americans drank on the average 26 gallons of bottled water - a significant portion being purified and not spring. In contrast that same year they consumed 52 gallons of soft drinks. Those same Americans in 2004 used 90,000 gallons of tap water in their homes. In other words there is a limited demand for spring water and no company, no matter how greedy, is going to produce more bottled water than it can sell. So, when these so called concerned citizens (concerned for their own greed) start telling you the "the sky is falling" tell them to drink some bottled water and cool off.
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Posted by: MIST on Jun 3, 2007 2:54 PM
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If public wisdom prevailed instead of corporate greed, then McCloud's pure water could be delivered more cost effectively to thirsty urban areas to the south in California where most of it will end up. Nestle's inefficient heavy trucking of billions of water bottles along overcrowded highways is more environmentally harmful. Instead, spring water could simply flow downhill to distribution centers in stainless steel pipes using free gravity rather than costly diesel fuel to move it. McCloud is over 3000 feet above sea level so electric pumps would hardly be needed. The principle is time-tested like ancient Roman aquaducts. Piping rather than trucking would save fuel costs, reduce road repair costs, cut traffic accidents, lessen trucking air and noise pollution, and reduce global warming. Pipes could parallel natural river courses and utilize Interstate-5 highway right-of-ways. With less money wasted on transportation and bottling, more would be left over and McCloud residents could be paid fairly for their water so they too could enjoy a better standard of living. At urban water distribution centers in Redding, Sacramento, San Francisco and elsewhere, purchasers could bring in recyclable water jugs to fill rather than end up with billions of land-filled plastic bottles to dispose of. Nestle could still sell spring water... but without the hidden costs that society must bear.
So why wasn't this viable project alternative analyzed by the Environmental Impact Report? The political restriction against shipping bulk water out of Siskiyou County is hardly a real impediment, or good reason, to suffer the environmental consequences that bottling and trucking poses. Or why didn't that EIR even consider the more cost-effective and environmentally-preferable alternative of shipping bottled water by railroads which are well suited to moving heavy shipments to distant urban areas? Because Nestle doesn't want people to think cost effectively. Nestle profits from public stupidity. Are we to be victims of such greed, or will we boycott foreign corporation attacks like this on our country?
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jun 5, 2007 10:03 AM
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our pending extinction? You can move out of one small
town, but when hydrogen sulfide bubbles out of the ocean in
sufficient quantities to cause a major extinction event, the
nearest safe place will be Mars. Reference the Scientific
American article "Impact from the Deep", in the October 2006
issue on pages 65 to 71. The article says: If the global
warming trend [from whatever cause] continues for 200 years
[or now less than 200 years] we will go extinct. The cause
of the extinction of Homo Sapiens will be hydrogen sulfide
bubbling out of the hot oceans. Hydrogen sulfide is a poison
gas. We have to stop the global warming or die. See:
http://www.alternet.org/environment/52799/?cID=670542
"Bush Makes Empty Climate Change Pledge" in this issue of
the email.
Reference:
http://www.alternet.org/environment/52222/
"Carbon Emissions Exceed Highest Assumptions Used in
Climate Change Studies"
By Peter N. Spotts, Christian Science Monitor. Posted May
22, 2007."
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