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Fighting the Corporate Theft of Our Water
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The road to privatization is being paved by our own government. The Bush administration is actively working to loosen the hold that cities and towns have over public water, enabling corporations to own the very thing we depend on for survival.
The effects of the federal government's actions are being felt all the way down to Conference of Mayors, which has become a "feeding frenzy" for corporations looking to make sure that nothing is left in the public's hands, including clean, affordable water.
Documentary filmmakers Alan Snitow and Deborah Kaufman recently teamed up with author Michael Fox to write "Thirst: Fighting the Corporate Theft of Our Water" (Wiley, 2007). The three followed water privatization battles across the United States -- from California to Massachusetts and from Georgia to Wisconsin, documenting the rise of public opposition to corporate control of water resources.
They found that the issue of privatization ran deep.
"We came to see that the conflicts over water are really about fundamental questions of democracy itself: Who will make the decisions that affect our future, and who will be excluded?" they wrote in the book's preface. "And if citizens no longer control their most basic resource, their water, do they really control anything at all?"
As the effects of climate change are being felt around the world, including decreasing snowpacks and rainfall, water is quickly becoming the market's new holy grail.
Mayor Gary Podesto, in his State of the City address to his constituents in 2003, sang the praises of privatization to his community, located in California's Central Valley. "It's time that Stockton enter the 21st century in its delivery of services and think of our citizens as customers," he said.
And there is the crux of the issue -- privatization means transforming citizens into customers. Or, in other words, making people engaged in a democratic process into consumers looking to get the best deal.
It is also means taking our most important resource and putting it at the whims of the market.
Currently, water systems are controlled publicly in 90 percent of communities across the world and 85 percent in the United States, but that number is changing rapidly, the authors report in "Thirst." In 1990, 50 million people worldwide got their water services from private companies, but by 2002 it was 300 million and growing.
There are a number of reasons to be concerned.
"Globally, corporations are promoting water privatization under the guise of efficiency, but the fact is that they are not paying the full cost of public infrastructure, environmental damage, or healthcare for those they hurt," said Ashley Schaeffer of Corporate Accountability International. "Water is a human right and not a privilege."
There are also significant environmental considerations -- with private corporations, sustainability can be tossed out the window. "Climate change is a warning that uncontrolled abuse of the earth's natural resources is leading toward planetary catastrophe," the authors write in "Thirst." "Who is to set the necessary limits to the abuse of the environment? Private companies fighting for market share are incapable of doing so."
Privatization has been pushed aggressively at the federal level for decades, but especially so in the last six years. "There is a kind of fire sale of everything in the public sector right now," said Alan Snitow. "Water, we think, is the line in the sand -- when your water is actually a profit mechanism, people really react negatively to that."
"Thirst" beautifully documents the coalitions that are forming in communities that are fighting back. But the battles are not easy: They must confront massive political muscle and unlimited financial resources of multinational corporations, not to mention our society's religious belief in the power of the marketplace.
Privatizing municipal water systems is globalization come home, said Deborah Kaufman. In 2000 Bechtel privatized water in Cochabamba, Bolivia, with such miserable consequences that it was shortly driven out of the country in an incredible feat of cross-class organizing. But just a few years later, it was awarded a $680 million contract to "fix" Iraq's ruined water systems.
"What's happened in Iraq is really emblematic of what the Bush administration is doing," said Kaufman. "We view the privatization of water in the United States as the World Bank come home -- the third-worldization of America and American communities."
It turns out the United States is an attractive place for multinationals looking to make inroads in the water business. The three main players are the French companies Suez and Veolia (formerly Vivendi), and the German group RWE.
The companies first pushed water privatization in developing nations. "But in many instances, those attempts didn't pan out as planned, it being difficult to gouge governments and customers that don't have a lot of money," Public Citizen reports. "The U.S., by contrast, presented the promise of a steady, reliable revenue stream from customers willing and able to pay water bills."
The companies that already controlled the small percentage of U.S. water held privately were bought by the big three: Veolia picked up U.S Filter, Suez got United Water and RWE took over American Water Works.
The results have been disastrous, as "Thirst" shows -- rates are increasing, quality is suffering, customer service is declining, profits are leaving communities and accountability has fallen by the wayside.
In Felton, Calif., a small regional utility ran the water system until it was purchased in 2001 by California American Water, a subsidiary of American Water, which is a subsidiary of Thames Water in London, which has also become a subsidiary of German giant RWE. Residents in Felton saw their rates skyrocket, "Thirst" reports. A woman who runs a facility for people in need saw her water bill increase from $250 to $1,275 a month.
RWE also bought the company controlling the water system in Urbana, Ill., and locals have been unhappy with the service it provides. "A few months ago, I got a notice on my door saying the water was turned off, and that when it came back on, I needed to boil it before I used it," said the city's mayor, Laurel Prussing. But when she called the number, the company didn't know what was going on -- and it was no wonder, because the call center was located in Florida.
The list of abuses in "Thirst," which represent only a handful of communities, are plentiful:
In 2006, two top managers at a Suez/United Water plant in New Jersey were indicted for covering up high radium levels in drinking water ... In Milwaukee, Suez subsidiary United Water discharged more than a million gallons of untreated sewage into Lake Michigan because it had shut down pumps to reduce electricity bills ... In Stockton, Calif., a citizen's watchdog group reported that water leakage doubled in the first year that OMI/Thames took over system operations. In Indianapolis, customer complaints nearly tripled the first year of Veolia's contract, and inadequate maintenance resulted in hundreds of fire hydrants freezing in the winter ...Overall, it has proved to be a recipe for disaster.
"Seeking to consolidate market share, private water companies are merging or buying other companies, creating a volatile and unpredictable market," they conclude, "hardly the kind of stability required for a life-and-death resource like water."
The water crisis comes home
Corporate interest in water systems in the United States exists for very good reason -- we have a water crisis. Our drinking and wastewater systems were largely designed a hundred years ago and in many places, little improvements have been made.
Aging systems combined with the pressures of increasing population, development, and pollution have left many communities close to disaster.
As a result, corporations have swooped in to offer public officials an easy out -- not only will they run these aging plants, but they'll save the city millions of dollars in the process. At least that's the promise. So far, it hasn't panned out.
In 2005,"Thirst" reports, 200 mayors of large and small cities said they would consider privatization if it would save money. In addition to lobbyists, publicists and ad campaigns, the corporations have also directly gone after public officials to sell their wares.
"The U.S. Conference of Mayors has become an engine of water privatization through its Urban Water Council," they write in "Thirst." "One mayor described a Conference of Mayors session he attended as a kind of feeding frenzy, with companies bidding to take over everything from his city's school-lunch program to its traffic lights and water services. Financed by the private water industry, staffed by former industry officials, the UWC works hard to give its corporate sponsors 'face time' with mayors."
And the federal government is not doing anything to help -- in fact, it's doing the opposite. "The administration has backed language in legislation to reauthorize existing federal water funding assistance programs that would require cities to consider water privatization before they could receive federal funding," reports Public Citizen. "And in lockstep with private industry's goals, the EPA is increasingly playing down the role of federal financial assistance while actively encouraging communities to pay for system upgrades by raising rates to consumers -- exactly the strategy the industry hopes will drive cash-strapped and embattled local politicians to opt for the false promise of privatization."
The EPA has projected a needed $446 billion for drinking water infrastructure over the next 20 years, but the money that is needed and that is actually allocated in the budget falls billions short.
Snitow calls the under funding of public water systems and public infrastructure as a whole, "systematic" under the Bush administration. "On water, President Bush says he wants to fund private companies to do it. He does not want to give money, even loan money, to government agencies at the local level to improve their own water systems."
This mindset goes against public opinion and environmental law. The Safe Drinking Water Act passed in 1974 says, "The federal government needs to provide assistance to communities to help the communities meet federal drinking water requirements." And a national poll showed that 86 percent of Americans supported creating a water infrastructure trust fund.
But this issue is not a partisan problem. As reported in "Thirst," in 1997 the Clinton administration changed the law to the benefit of private companies. Previously municipal utility contracts were limited to five years, but Clinton changed it to allow contracts to be extended up to 20 years. "The rule change unleashed a wave of industry euphoria with predictions that private companies would soon be running much of what is now a public service," they wrote. In the following five years, municipal water contracts with private companies tripled.
"Privatization comes from both Democrats and Republicans. Particularly the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party. Clinton advanced this in a number of areas -- Bush has taken it to the extreme," said Snitow.
And across the country, Democrats are guilty as well as Republicans. "In Lee [Mass.], one of the key people supporting the Veolia privatization is a liberal Democrat. He has a great record with unions, on gay rights. He is a social liberal, but he wants to privatize key public services," said Snitow.
"There is an ideology that is bipartisan and is part of the old Washington consensus which is that the market can do everything better, it can be more efficient," he continued. "I think that we are seeing the chickens come home to roost on this with Iraq. You are seeing the ultimate apotheosis of the kind of vision that they had in mind -- where they would turn over the entire government and the resources to private multinationals. And, if that is efficiency, I think that most people in the world would want themselves counted out."
Not for sale
"Thirst" documents not just the consolidation of power through corporations but the public resistance that is often, despite seemingly impossible odds, successful.
Time and time again throughout the book, citizens responded to local threats but realized they were part of much bigger effort against water privatization around the world and the wholesale auction of the commons.
Even if you don't live somewhere under threat at the moment, there is something for everyone to do. We can work to create a trust for drinking water and wastewater; to drop conditions in federal funding that favor privatizing water resources; to block water corporations from obtaining access to public funding through tax-exempt private activity bonds; and to promote strong public management of water resources. Or you can work to support organizations like Corporate Accountability International, Food and Water Watch, Sierra Club and others who are organizing around the issue.
"There has to be preemption -- companies come in secretly and people don't know there are negotiations going on, and communities that are organizing are coming from behind," said Snitow. "If there is more consciousness about this and more mayors know that their political lives are going to be spent fighting this issue, then I think fewer and fewer of them are going to say this not the way for me to leave my mark on the city. They'll choose something else. I think there is a lot of potential for victories, for changing the water policy in this country and it won't be a minute too soon, given what's going to be happening with global warming."
Taking a stand against corporate control of water means believing that some things, like the lifeblood of our communities, should not be for sale.
"Whether clean and safe water will remain accessible to all, affordable and sustainable into the future, depends on us," write Snitow, Kaufman and Fox. "The stakes could not be higher. The outcome will surely be a measure of democracy in the 21st century."
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Posted by: flipside on Apr 25, 2007 4:01 AM
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Gentechnik-Konzern Monsanto bricht Versprechen
Anwendung von Terminator-Technologie nicht länger tabu
Monsanto kauft Firma für
‘Terminator’-Saatgut
Water resources controlled by big business,
Food resources controlled by big business
and no buying or selling without "proper" identification.
So...when are we allowed to be scared?
Forget the small issues that serve to divide the common man, there are issues enough to unite the common man all over the world if people would only realize that the successfull roman strategy "divide et imperare", or divide and conquer is alive and well in the "fourth reich" that the USA has become and decide not to let the rich and privileged choose the theme of the latest debate. This is a class war and the so-called elite are winning thus far!
Stay vigilant!
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Apr 25, 2007 4:50 AM
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Hey waterboy, to the average American "Wassermann" sounds Jewish too!
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 25, 2007 6:55 AM
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You're part Jewish so stop hating on your own people. NONE of the presidents and very few congressional reps are Jewish. These are the folks selling away our basic human rights.
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» Huh, whats the name of that organization that owns our congress??? Oh, yeah.... AIPAC.
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» RE: Capitalism is what's brought these things, not tolerance.
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» And before those existed no one payed a damned thing for water nm
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Posted by: MAD on Apr 25, 2007 8:04 AM
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And apparently the Blitzkrieg was already successful in whatever far-flung corner of the world you inhabit, Herr Hess. I suspect that whatever mud brick hovel you occupy still reeks of the dead animals you frequently torture in your early 21st century neo-goth, swastika-laden "home". I bet there's a lingering scent of Old Spice in the air, you know, just to add a touch of class, cuz you're obviously a VERY classy guy.
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» Bush did it before them... even though as CEO he never turned a profit in any business...
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 25, 2007 3:51 AM
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The article points out that Bill Clinton is a supporter of water company privatization. That revelation should come as no surprise. During his eight years in office, Slick Willie promoted international trade agreements like NAFTA that favored foreign counties and hurt working Americans.
Just as bad from a patriotic point, the greedy bastard took $500,000 to lobby for a Dubai company during the U.S ports takeover fiasco. Hillary is just as selfish. Currency, not country, will always come first in her elitist upper-crust life.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» RE: Privatization of public-owned water companies is related to so-called free trade agreements.
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» You got it correct, eggnog2464.
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» RE: Privatization of public-owned water companies is related to so-called free trade agreements.
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» Lighten up about my sarcasm, talkville. Greedy globalization, not low IQ, is the issue.
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» Ok, but is sarcasm enough?
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» Well, its all part of sustaining an economy that is winding down
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» You are dead on, JoshuaLudd, Greed is indeed a viral disease -- for rich people, not the poor.
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» Or as The Living End put it.. the rich man's inspiration becomes the beggar's greed. or at least...
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» .. the rich man's inspiration becomes the beggar's greed.
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» And yet so many want to believe we can grow crops for ethanol...
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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» He will not be pres forever!
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» From your mouth to God's ears...
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» Shame on you, Tom Degan, for such nasty talk. On second thought, don't stop! You nailed it.
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» not that i disagree, but your copy and paste approach waters down your message
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» Thistleblower....
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» They've been doing it with our timber for a long time...
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» It's called CAPITALISM!
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» So much for the Cons' "Stand Up For Canada" campaign 2006.
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» RE: So much for the Cons' "Stand Up For Canada" campaign 2006.
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» Oops. You're probably right. Wishful thinking on my part.
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» RE: Oops. You're probably right. Wishful thinking on my part.
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» RE: A little something to make your day!
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» Enough Americans think that way that you SHOULD be worried
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» What???
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» RE: What??? Blahblahblah Turkeyturd.....
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» RE: Obviously you can't refute it...
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» RE: How is that relevent?
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» CO2 is a pollution according to the Supreme Court and the government is forced to
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Posted by: craftne on Apr 25, 2007 6:10 AM
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This is nothing new. After all, Enron tried to trade WEATHER. Enron was a warning, but we keep working for these people.
This is a big ask, but this whole problem began early last century when the Supreme Court gave corporations the rights of an individual. We need to reverse that, declared it a failed and dangerous threat to citizens.
The result? The average person would perhaps have lobbying power they have lost having big business in governments' (yes, not only ours) pockets.
Do we just want to complain, or do we want to be the generation that changes things?
Or perhaps the next generation can clean up the legacy of our failures....
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» RE: the solution?
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» How about filling empty 10-ounce Avian bottles with tap water as a start?
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» how about reclaiming our own water- literally?
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» RE: the solution?
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» http://www.lincolninitiative.org/ ...
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» RE: Take Back our government.
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» RE: Take Back our government.
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» blah blah blah... you might as well be writing in Martian
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 25, 2007 7:02 AM
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Praise the goddess/buddha that I'm 45 years old and not 2 years old. What kind of world are we leaving behind for future generations!?!?
Why would anyone have children?!? I can't even imagine....
Did anyone see "Idiocracy?" Brawndo, it has electrolytes....
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Posted by: Catbird on Apr 25, 2007 7:15 AM
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I would normally have included this article in THE CATBIRD SEAT website at http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BlueGold.htm ... HOWEVER, this site has been CLOSED DOWN by the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, ALBERTO GONZALES, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL, OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES TRUSTEE, JAMES B. NICHOLSON, TRUSTEE, by Order of JUDGE DAVID ALAN EZRA.
Consequently, I have now posted this important article in "The Catbird's Forum" located at: http://www.voy.com/129276/522.html . (I advise you to view it NOW - before it, too, is TERMINATED by THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE!)
VOTE TO IMPEACH BUSH!
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Posted by: catnapping on Apr 25, 2007 7:27 AM
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We might wanna stop diverting water to the parasites in L.A. while we're at it.
Why do people live where there is no water, and then expect the rest of us to send them OURS????
While we're at it...stop WHELPING. Use birth control, get your tubes tied...vas or fallopian, I don't care! If you want children, ADOPT.
We're running out of resources, water included...there are too many of us, and we're killing the planet...we are the cancer.
We DO NOT have the right to use up and pollute the earth's resources. Water belongs to everyTHING on the planet. No more dams...dismantle them all.
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» clarification...
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» Look at what we have done to the Rio Grande...
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» RE: The USA steals water from other countries.
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Posted by: itchyvet on Apr 25, 2007 7:55 AM
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So you've all got your noses outa joint cause your fantastic heroes in the Whitehouse,(who've you all voted for, remember?) are selling you down the gurgler.(no pun intended)
So what's the big deal, where were you all, when the Privatisation train left the station and attacked other countries round the World, all to YOUR benefit,(at first) did'nt see any complaints then did we ?
Problem is, very few of you ever gave thought, that the ideas coming from the U.S. and being foisted on the rest of the World would eventually boomerang and find their way home .
After all, what's good fer the Goose, is also good fer the Gander, right ?
So finally Americans are beginning to reap what they've sown on others, and you don't like it one bit.
Aww, that's just too bad now, gives me great satisfaction though, to see that NONE of you are invulnerable, and are treated with just as much contempt by your Government and it's corporate masters as they've treated the rest of the World.
BUT, what are you gonna do about besides whinning and bitchin ?
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» RE: Water Privatisation.....You are absolutly correct, itchyvet......WITHOUT THE
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» RE: Water Privatisation.....You are absolutly correct, itchyvet......WITHOUT THE
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» Only Honey Bees are disappearing and they are not native to North America to begin with
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» Well it seemed plausible enough for some further googling and that is the information I gathered
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» well, keep in mind..
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» Growl! goes the rumble in the beast's belly
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Posted by: Gisele on Apr 25, 2007 8:11 AM
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But!..there really is no need to have to drink bottled water for health. I'm not sure how this is going to sound...I'm not coming at it from a shareholder perspective (water is still government regulated here) but that of a "user."
The city in which I live undertook a huge project to create a water treatment facility that is the only one of it's kind in North America. I have been able to enjoy this water for about 1 year now, and can tell you that it's better than ANY bottled water I've tasted...cleaner, fresher, no bitter plastic tastes left behind, no plastic in landfills, it has been worth it!
Do you think your city/province/state would be interested in doing something that creates better health, while maintaining control of resource that no one has the right to stop you from using? You can find out a lot more here ..maybe we'll have more success fighting 'for' something rather than against it.
Just trying to offer a possible solution...
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» RE: One small step...maybe? Thanks for the link.
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» Sounds refreshing, is it also untainted by fluoride?
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» Also, there is research now that says some plastics, namely those used in food and drink containers.
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Posted by: Betsyny on Apr 25, 2007 8:27 AM
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Remember though, the Bolivians overthrew their own government to get rid of this nonsenes. The current govt of Bolivia has its roots in the water fiasco and is aligned with Hugo Chavez because of the water fiasco - not only were things much more expensive, thereby depriving the poor an essential necessity, but the delivery was much more corrupt an inefficient. Of course the poor suffered the most under the scheme.
So, multinational greed mongers watch out. You REALLY can't fool all the people all the time. We'll get you yet.
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Posted by: MAD on Apr 25, 2007 8:27 AM
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We're talking about the same companies that practically give away life-saving prescription drugs like Vioxx and Celebrex, and at $150 a bottle, that's really something to Celebrate. They're only price gouging so they can bring you new, fast-tracked killers, er, winners like Redux and Bextra. Come on people, stop being so cynical and get down with the privatized water scheme!
If Pepsi wants to add sugar and artificial vanilla flavoring to my tap water, I say bring it on baby!! I wouldn't mind a little caffeine thrown in for good measure either. If ADM wants to divert my drinking water to some inefficient and wasteful ethanol corn ranch, why should I care? Ethanol's the wonder fuel of the future, no? And if some golf consortium wants to divert the remaining water to parched desert resorts so wealthy old men who are 45 seconds away from their next stroke can piss away what's left of their lives, then how is that any of our business?
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Apr 25, 2007 8:36 AM
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But this issue is a partisan problem. As reported in "Thirst," in 1997 the Clinton administration changed the law to the benefit of private companies.
This is obviously a typo; it should read "this is not a partisan problem. These non-partisan problems that are settled in favor of corporate interests and against public interest should make it clear to the public that both parties are controlled by the corporate establishment. As a corrolary to this, neither party is controlled by the voters, therefore, our elections are a charade.
And if citizens no longer control their most basic resource, their water, do they really control anything at all?"
The first quote makes the answer to this question "No, we don't control anything that involves corporate welfare".
Consider the cataclysmic implications of the following two thoughts.
Private companies fighting for market share are incapable of doing so."
In other words, private companies are incapable of setting the limits of environmental abuse or limiting anything else that will kill humans, that will lower profit. The corporations cannot be controlled by humans.
"Who is to set the necessary limits to the abuse of the environment?
The answer is, "The citizens, prefereably with laws passed by the government". This is impossible today because the corporate establishment controls both parties with generous campaign contributions and lavish multi-million dollar lobbies.
I believe that our welfare will deteriorate until we, the people, take control of both parties.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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» STRICT OVERSIGHT? ´SPLAIN TO ME, PLEASE, which planet do you live on? np
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Posted by: picket on Apr 25, 2007 9:30 AM
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Lots of private money making ventures means fees and those that can afford them will ENJOY ...those that cannot will be abandoned. God Bless America!!!
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." George Bernard Shaw
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» More of the same old schtick... you will be forced to depend on them for EVERYTHING
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Apr 25, 2007 11:58 AM
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The results have been disastrous, as "Thirst" shows -- rates are increasing, quality is suffering, customer service is declining, profits are leaving communities and accountability has fallen by the wayside.
I know somebody who worked for U.S. Filter at the time of the Veolia takeover, and who lost their job shortly thereafter. I suppose this is par for the course, and maybe falls under "profits are leaving communities". U.S. Filter was a business - publicly traded I think - not a municipality, though it would be interesting to know whether they've raised prices or passed the theoretically increased efficiency resulting from the buyout through to their customers.
It was also a bit ironic to see a google ad at the top of the comments section basically hyping how one could get rich investing in water companies...
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Posted by: djnoll on Apr 25, 2007 12:09 PM
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If you have any doubts that this will be the case, look to the case histories in parts of Africa where people could not afford the costs charged by the water corporations. They are without water and must carry contaminated groundwater for miles, then boil it, everyday just to survive. With all groundwater now essentially poisoned by chemicals and other by-products of our civilization, the water needs to be pumped up for it to be drinkable and it needs to be desalinized as well. By allowing private water companies to control water and with governments unwilling to put in the infrastructure necessary to secure water for the public, we will not have to worry about population control. Water companies and their corporate leaders will decide who lives and who dies based solely on who can afford to pay their price.
Stop this kind of corporatism now - tell your communities to cancel or stop contracts with private water companies. Tell your state and local leaders to put their money into the infrastructure necessary for survival in 20 or 30 years, and do not let them tell you it is not necessary now, or that it will be somebody else's problem then so do not worry. Those "somebody else's" are your children and grandchildren, and they deserve better from you and from all of us.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Apr 25, 2007 12:32 PM
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Read about the plant here.
The plant is owned by the City of Minneapolis and operated by Minneapolis Water Treatment & Distribution Services.
I would also recommend that folks read the great reporting by the Center for Public Integrity here.
But in practice, total cost recovery may have caused more misery than development. In poor areas where privatization has been implemented, millions of people have been cut off because they cannot afford to pay water bills that often make up 30 percent of their incomes.
As many as 10 million South Africans have had their water cut off for various periods of time since 1994, according to a 2002 national survey by the Municipal Services Project, a university-based research center with offices in South Africa and Canada. Two million people have been evicted from their homes for not paying utility bills. Many poor families pay up to 40 percent of their monthly income for water and electricity.
The water cutoffs have forced thousands of poor people to seek water from polluted rivers and lakes and led to South Africa's worst outbreak of cholera, in which thousands of people were sickened and hundreds died. In the end, the government spent millions of dollars to control the spread of the disease and to truck clean water to the stricken areas.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Apr 25, 2007 4:52 PM
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"My private theory is that they are hiding human deaths to protect the corporations."
The pro-Bush Admin IRISH (Roman Catholic) government has been doing this sort of thing for decades, but its a sad fact that most Irish people, like most Americans, don't want to believe it. They only believe it when they are one of the random victims. I am one such lucky person (random victim) who survived a major cover-up...
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 25, 2007 6:41 PM
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Some brain-dead person upstream in the comments said water's cheaper when corporations own and run it. Sorry Charlie, but NOT. It costs as much as they want to charge, and that's as much as they think they can get. No other country allows foreigners to buy property, especially the commons; just us. And corporations, even those based here, have NO business owning the commons - WE OWN THEM!
This HAS to be stopped before the multinationals start charging us for the polluted air we breathe - and don't think for a moment they wouldn't!
Ian
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» Yes, and like just about every other corporate law... it means nothing in reality. nm
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» Actually, no.
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» RE: Time to start charing for sunlight, I'm sure we can sell the rights to that off... and seeds.
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Posted by: plantland on Apr 26, 2007 6:52 AM
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So in some cases, private has meant independent. A couple of big city munipal water systems have held out agaist fluoridation- notably, Portland,OR and San Diego, CA.
Many small rural municipal water systems have also held out against fluoridation. If serving few enough households, they will be exempted from forced adulteration even if mandatory fluoridation bills pass in their home states.
Avoiding fluoiride is one of the most important things a citizen can do to protect his physical and mental health. Thus, the Fluoride Action Network called its conference the "Citizens's Conference on Fluoride". www.fluorideaction.net
Many rural small water companies are also holding out aginst mandatory fluoridation.
Keeping fluoride out of his own body can give an activist slightly more energy, for fluoride makes the thyroid sluggish, and affects glucose tolerance. If we avoid fluoride, then fluoride can't escort aluminum across our blood brain barriers. That the fluoride ion helps aluminum get into the brain is enough reason to not add it to water, since aluminum is implicted in ADD as well as Alzheimer's. Perhaps extending our useful lives as activists rather than wards of God knows whom as Alzheimers patients will be sufficient reason for Alternet readers to study up on this significnt health threat.
We need to support the EPA scientists union which wants to investigate the hidebound CDC recommendations, particularly in lieu of the 2006 report now available at the National Academy of Sciences or the Fluoride Action Group's website.
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Posted by: waterislifeaguaesvida on Apr 28, 2007 6:25 AM
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Currently, a short-cut is taken in water management and administration that needs to be changed. Water users need to have the political entities represent the users. Many water utility authorities as they exist now are not elected and are not based on distinct users. Further, there is no technical input from geohydrologists that can act as an environmental ombudsman for the resource.
Bioregional water planning is the alternative, not de-corporatization. Open input and representation of agricultural users, historical users, residential users, commercial users need to be institutionalized so that there is ecological democracy and all are aware of the impact of the decisions being made on the region. I recommend people to go to http://www.waterassembly.org to see one such fifty year water planning process. I also suggest that you address the political issue ahead of time so that your plan could be implemented by someone other than your local bureaucrats.
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Posted by: RBStanfield on Apr 28, 2007 2:07 PM
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The water in our aquifers is held in "common" and our goverment, the municipality, has an ordinance that allocated this limited resouce equitably by allowing at planning the withdrawal of no more than100 gal/day/acre. This number was derived from data taken from a USGS hydrogeological study of the region.
The concept is "Thou shall not steal thy neighbors' water."
There are test procedures to demonstrate this concept with strict limits on water level drawdown in a neighborhood. We have a continuous battle to defend this position.
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Posted by: Reader11722 on May 1, 2007 6:24 PM
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Final link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
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Posted by: flipside on Apr 25, 2007 4:01 AM
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Gentechnik-Konzern Monsanto bricht Versprechen
Anwendung von Terminator-Technologie nicht länger tabu
Monsanto kauft Firma für
‘Terminator’-Saatgut
Water resources controlled by big business,
Food resources controlled by big business
and no buying or selling without "proper" identification.
So...when are we allowed to be scared?
Forget the small issues that serve to divide the common man, there are issues enough to unite the common man all over the world if people would only realize that the successfull roman strategy "divide et imperare", or divide and conquer is alive and well in the "fourth reich" that the USA has become and decide not to let the rich and privileged choose the theme of the latest debate. This is a class war and the so-called elite are winning thus far!
Stay vigilant!
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Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Apr 25, 2007 4:50 AM
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Hey waterboy, to the average American "Wassermann" sounds Jewish too!
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 25, 2007 6:55 AM
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You're part Jewish so stop hating on your own people. NONE of the presidents and very few congressional reps are Jewish. These are the folks selling away our basic human rights.
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» Huh, whats the name of that organization that owns our congress??? Oh, yeah.... AIPAC.
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» RE: Capitalism is what's brought these things, not tolerance.
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» And before those existed no one payed a damned thing for water nm
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Posted by: MAD on Apr 25, 2007 8:04 AM
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And apparently the Blitzkrieg was already successful in whatever far-flung corner of the world you inhabit, Herr Hess. I suspect that whatever mud brick hovel you occupy still reeks of the dead animals you frequently torture in your early 21st century neo-goth, swastika-laden "home". I bet there's a lingering scent of Old Spice in the air, you know, just to add a touch of class, cuz you're obviously a VERY classy guy.
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» Bush did it before them... even though as CEO he never turned a profit in any business...
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The article points out that Bill Clinton is a supporter of water company privatization. That revelation should come as no surprise. During his eight years in office, Slick Willie promoted international trade agreements like NAFTA that favored foreign counties and hurt working Americans.
Just as bad from a patriotic point, the greedy bastard took $500,000 to lobby for a Dubai company during the U.S ports takeover fiasco. Hillary is just as selfish. Currency, not country, will always come first in her elitist upper-crust life.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» You got it correct, eggnog2464.
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» Lighten up about my sarcasm, talkville. Greedy globalization, not low IQ, is the issue.
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» Ok, but is sarcasm enough?
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» Well, its all part of sustaining an economy that is winding down
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» You are dead on, JoshuaLudd, Greed is indeed a viral disease -- for rich people, not the poor.
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» Or as The Living End put it.. the rich man's inspiration becomes the beggar's greed. or at least...
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» .. the rich man's inspiration becomes the beggar's greed.
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» And yet so many want to believe we can grow crops for ethanol...
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» He will not be pres forever!
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» From your mouth to God's ears...
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» Shame on you, Tom Degan, for such nasty talk. On second thought, don't stop! You nailed it.
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» not that i disagree, but your copy and paste approach waters down your message
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» Thistleblower....
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» RE: Thistleblower.... TOO RIGHT! N/P
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» RE: Thistleblower.... Better mood or not doesn't change what Bush is.
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» It's called CAPITALISM!
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» So much for the Cons' "Stand Up For Canada" campaign 2006.
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» Oops. You're probably right. Wishful thinking on my part.
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» Enough Americans think that way that you SHOULD be worried
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» What???
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» RE: What???
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» RE: What??? Blahblahblah Turkeyturd.....
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» RE: How is that relevent?
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» CO2 is a pollution according to the Supreme Court and the government is forced to
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Posted by: craftne on Apr 25, 2007 6:10 AM
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This is nothing new. After all, Enron tried to trade WEATHER. Enron was a warning, but we keep working for these people.
This is a big ask, but this whole problem began early last century when the Supreme Court gave corporations the rights of an individual. We need to reverse that, declared it a failed and dangerous threat to citizens.
The result? The average person would perhaps have lobbying power they have lost having big business in governments' (yes, not only ours) pockets.
Do we just want to complain, or do we want to be the generation that changes things?
Or perhaps the next generation can clean up the legacy of our failures....
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» How about filling empty 10-ounce Avian bottles with tap water as a start?
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» how about reclaiming our own water- literally?
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» RE: the solution?
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» http://www.lincolninitiative.org/ ...
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» RE: Take Back our government.
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» blah blah blah... you might as well be writing in Martian
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 25, 2007 7:02 AM
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Praise the goddess/buddha that I'm 45 years old and not 2 years old. What kind of world are we leaving behind for future generations!?!?
Why would anyone have children?!? I can't even imagine....
Did anyone see "Idiocracy?" Brawndo, it has electrolytes....
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I would normally have included this article in THE CATBIRD SEAT website at http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BlueGold.htm ... HOWEVER, this site has been CLOSED DOWN by the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, ALBERTO GONZALES, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL, OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES TRUSTEE, JAMES B. NICHOLSON, TRUSTEE, by Order of JUDGE DAVID ALAN EZRA.
Consequently, I have now posted this important article in "The Catbird's Forum" located at: http://www.voy.com/129276/522.html . (I advise you to view it NOW - before it, too, is TERMINATED by THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE!)
VOTE TO IMPEACH BUSH!
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Posted by: catnapping on Apr 25, 2007 7:27 AM
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We might wanna stop diverting water to the parasites in L.A. while we're at it.
Why do people live where there is no water, and then expect the rest of us to send them OURS????
While we're at it...stop WHELPING. Use birth control, get your tubes tied...vas or fallopian, I don't care! If you want children, ADOPT.
We're running out of resources, water included...there are too many of us, and we're killing the planet...we are the cancer.
We DO NOT have the right to use up and pollute the earth's resources. Water belongs to everyTHING on the planet. No more dams...dismantle them all.
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» Look at what we have done to the Rio Grande...
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» RE: The USA steals water from other countries.
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Posted by: itchyvet on Apr 25, 2007 7:55 AM
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So you've all got your noses outa joint cause your fantastic heroes in the Whitehouse,(who've you all voted for, remember?) are selling you down the gurgler.(no pun intended)
So what's the big deal, where were you all, when the Privatisation train left the station and attacked other countries round the World, all to YOUR benefit,(at first) did'nt see any complaints then did we ?
Problem is, very few of you ever gave thought, that the ideas coming from the U.S. and being foisted on the rest of the World would eventually boomerang and find their way home .
After all, what's good fer the Goose, is also good fer the Gander, right ?
So finally Americans are beginning to reap what they've sown on others, and you don't like it one bit.
Aww, that's just too bad now, gives me great satisfaction though, to see that NONE of you are invulnerable, and are treated with just as much contempt by your Government and it's corporate masters as they've treated the rest of the World.
BUT, what are you gonna do about besides whinning and bitchin ?
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» RE: Water Privatisation.....You are absolutly correct, itchyvet......WITHOUT THE
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» RE: Water Privatisation.....You are absolutly correct, itchyvet......WITHOUT THE
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» Only Honey Bees are disappearing and they are not native to North America to begin with
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» Well it seemed plausible enough for some further googling and that is the information I gathered
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» well, keep in mind..
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» Growl! goes the rumble in the beast's belly
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Posted by: Gisele on Apr 25, 2007 8:11 AM
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But!..there really is no need to have to drink bottled water for health. I'm not sure how this is going to sound...I'm not coming at it from a shareholder perspective (water is still government regulated here) but that of a "user."
The city in which I live undertook a huge project to create a water treatment facility that is the only one of it's kind in North America. I have been able to enjoy this water for about 1 year now, and can tell you that it's better than ANY bottled water I've tasted...cleaner, fresher, no bitter plastic tastes left behind, no plastic in landfills, it has been worth it!
Do you think your city/province/state would be interested in doing something that creates better health, while maintaining control of resource that no one has the right to stop you from using? You can find out a lot more here ..maybe we'll have more success fighting 'for' something rather than against it.
Just trying to offer a possible solution...
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» Sounds refreshing, is it also untainted by fluoride?
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» Also, there is research now that says some plastics, namely those used in food and drink containers.
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Posted by: Betsyny on Apr 25, 2007 8:27 AM
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Remember though, the Bolivians overthrew their own government to get rid of this nonsenes. The current govt of Bolivia has its roots in the water fiasco and is aligned with Hugo Chavez because of the water fiasco - not only were things much more expensive, thereby depriving the poor an essential necessity, but the delivery was much more corrupt an inefficient. Of course the poor suffered the most under the scheme.
So, multinational greed mongers watch out. You REALLY can't fool all the people all the time. We'll get you yet.
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Posted by: MAD on Apr 25, 2007 8:27 AM
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We're talking about the same companies that practically give away life-saving prescription drugs like Vioxx and Celebrex, and at $150 a bottle, that's really something to Celebrate. They're only price gouging so they can bring you new, fast-tracked killers, er, winners like Redux and Bextra. Come on people, stop being so cynical and get down with the privatized water scheme!
If Pepsi wants to add sugar and artificial vanilla flavoring to my tap water, I say bring it on baby!! I wouldn't mind a little caffeine thrown in for good measure either. If ADM wants to divert my drinking water to some inefficient and wasteful ethanol corn ranch, why should I care? Ethanol's the wonder fuel of the future, no? And if some golf consortium wants to divert the remaining water to parched desert resorts so wealthy old men who are 45 seconds away from their next stroke can piss away what's left of their lives, then how is that any of our business?
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Apr 25, 2007 8:36 AM
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But this issue is a partisan problem. As reported in "Thirst," in 1997 the Clinton administration changed the law to the benefit of private companies.
This is obviously a typo; it should read "this is not a partisan problem. These non-partisan problems that are settled in favor of corporate interests and against public interest should make it clear to the public that both parties are controlled by the corporate establishment. As a corrolary to this, neither party is controlled by the voters, therefore, our elections are a charade.
And if citizens no longer control their most basic resource, their water, do they really control anything at all?"
The first quote makes the answer to this question "No, we don't control anything that involves corporate welfare".
Consider the cataclysmic implications of the following two thoughts.
Private companies fighting for market share are incapable of doing so."
In other words, private companies are incapable of setting the limits of environmental abuse or limiting anything else that will kill humans, that will lower profit. The corporations cannot be controlled by humans.
"Who is to set the necessary limits to the abuse of the environment?
The answer is, "The citizens, prefereably with laws passed by the government". This is impossible today because the corporate establishment controls both parties with generous campaign contributions and lavish multi-million dollar lobbies.
I believe that our welfare will deteriorate until we, the people, take control of both parties.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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» STRICT OVERSIGHT? ´SPLAIN TO ME, PLEASE, which planet do you live on? np
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Posted by: picket on Apr 25, 2007 9:30 AM
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Lots of private money making ventures means fees and those that can afford them will ENJOY ...those that cannot will be abandoned. God Bless America!!!
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." George Bernard Shaw
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» More of the same old schtick... you will be forced to depend on them for EVERYTHING
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Posted by: new world water on Apr 25, 2007 11:23 AM
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Posted by: MartianBachelor on Apr 25, 2007 11:58 AM
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The results have been disastrous, as "Thirst" shows -- rates are increasing, quality is suffering, customer service is declining, profits are leaving communities and accountability has fallen by the wayside.
I know somebody who worked for U.S. Filter at the time of the Veolia takeover, and who lost their job shortly thereafter. I suppose this is par for the course, and maybe falls under "profits are leaving communities". U.S. Filter was a business - publicly traded I think - not a municipality, though it would be interesting to know whether they've raised prices or passed the theoretically increased efficiency resulting from the buyout through to their customers.
It was also a bit ironic to see a google ad at the top of the comments section basically hyping how one could get rich investing in water companies...
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Posted by: djnoll on Apr 25, 2007 12:09 PM
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If you have any doubts that this will be the case, look to the case histories in parts of Africa where people could not afford the costs charged by the water corporations. They are without water and must carry contaminated groundwater for miles, then boil it, everyday just to survive. With all groundwater now essentially poisoned by chemicals and other by-products of our civilization, the water needs to be pumped up for it to be drinkable and it needs to be desalinized as well. By allowing private water companies to control water and with governments unwilling to put in the infrastructure necessary to secure water for the public, we will not have to worry about population control. Water companies and their corporate leaders will decide who lives and who dies based solely on who can afford to pay their price.
Stop this kind of corporatism now - tell your communities to cancel or stop contracts with private water companies. Tell your state and local leaders to put their money into the infrastructure necessary for survival in 20 or 30 years, and do not let them tell you it is not necessary now, or that it will be somebody else's problem then so do not worry. Those "somebody else's" are your children and grandchildren, and they deserve better from you and from all of us.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Apr 25, 2007 12:32 PM
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Read about the plant here.
The plant is owned by the City of Minneapolis and operated by Minneapolis Water Treatment & Distribution Services.
I would also recommend that folks read the great reporting by the Center for Public Integrity here.
But in practice, total cost recovery may have caused more misery than development. In poor areas where privatization has been implemented, millions of people have been cut off because they cannot afford to pay water bills that often make up 30 percent of their incomes.
As many as 10 million South Africans have had their water cut off for various periods of time since 1994, according to a 2002 national survey by the Municipal Services Project, a university-based research center with offices in South Africa and Canada. Two million people have been evicted from their homes for not paying utility bills. Many poor families pay up to 40 percent of their monthly income for water and electricity.
The water cutoffs have forced thousands of poor people to seek water from polluted rivers and lakes and led to South Africa's worst outbreak of cholera, in which thousands of people were sickened and hundreds died. In the end, the government spent millions of dollars to control the spread of the disease and to truck clean water to the stricken areas.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Apr 25, 2007 4:52 PM
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"My private theory is that they are hiding human deaths to protect the corporations."
The pro-Bush Admin IRISH (Roman Catholic) government has been doing this sort of thing for decades, but its a sad fact that most Irish people, like most Americans, don't want to believe it. They only believe it when they are one of the random victims. I am one such lucky person (random victim) who survived a major cover-up...
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Apr 25, 2007 6:41 PM
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Some brain-dead person upstream in the comments said water's cheaper when corporations own and run it. Sorry Charlie, but NOT. It costs as much as they want to charge, and that's as much as they think they can get. No other country allows foreigners to buy property, especially the commons; just us. And corporations, even those based here, have NO business owning the commons - WE OWN THEM!
This HAS to be stopped before the multinationals start charging us for the polluted air we breathe - and don't think for a moment they wouldn't!
Ian
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» RE: Time to start charing for sunlight, I'm sure we can sell the rights to that off...
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» Yes, and like just about every other corporate law... it means nothing in reality. nm
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» RE: Yes, and like just about every other corporate law... it means nothing in reality. nm
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» Actually, no.
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» RE: Time to start charing for sunlight, I'm sure we can sell the rights to that off... and seeds.
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Posted by: plantland on Apr 26, 2007 6:52 AM
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So in some cases, private has meant independent. A couple of big city munipal water systems have held out agaist fluoridation- notably, Portland,OR and San Diego, CA.
Many small rural municipal water systems have also held out against fluoridation. If serving few enough households, they will be exempted from forced adulteration even if mandatory fluoridation bills pass in their home states.
Avoiding fluoiride is one of the most important things a citizen can do to protect his physical and mental health. Thus, the Fluoride Action Network called its conference the "Citizens's Conference on Fluoride". www.fluorideaction.net
Many rural small water companies are also holding out aginst mandatory fluoridation.
Keeping fluoride out of his own body can give an activist slightly more energy, for fluoride makes the thyroid sluggish, and affects glucose tolerance. If we avoid fluoride, then fluoride can't escort aluminum across our blood brain barriers. That the fluoride ion helps aluminum get into the brain is enough reason to not add it to water, since aluminum is implicted in ADD as well as Alzheimer's. Perhaps extending our useful lives as activists rather than wards of God knows whom as Alzheimers patients will be sufficient reason for Alternet readers to study up on this significnt health threat.
We need to support the EPA scientists union which wants to investigate the hidebound CDC recommendations, particularly in lieu of the 2006 report now available at the National Academy of Sciences or the Fluoride Action Group's website.
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-Ben
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Posted by: yurbud on Apr 27, 2007 12:04 AM
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Posted by: waterislifeaguaesvida on Apr 28, 2007 6:25 AM
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Currently, a short-cut is taken in water management and administration that needs to be changed. Water users need to have the political entities represent the users. Many water utility authorities as they exist now are not elected and are not based on distinct users. Further, there is no technical input from geohydrologists that can act as an environmental ombudsman for the resource.
Bioregional water planning is the alternative, not de-corporatization. Open input and representation of agricultural users, historical users, residential users, commercial users need to be institutionalized so that there is ecological democracy and all are aware of the impact of the decisions being made on the region. I recommend people to go to http://www.waterassembly.org to see one such fifty year water planning process. I also suggest that you address the political issue ahead of time so that your plan could be implemented by someone other than your local bureaucrats.
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Posted by: RBStanfield on Apr 28, 2007 2:07 PM
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The water in our aquifers is held in "common" and our goverment, the municipality, has an ordinance that allocated this limited resouce equitably by allowing at planning the withdrawal of no more than100 gal/day/acre. This number was derived from data taken from a USGS hydrogeological study of the region.
The concept is "Thou shall not steal thy neighbors' water."
There are test procedures to demonstrate this concept with strict limits on water level drawdown in a neighborhood. We have a continuous battle to defend this position.
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Posted by: Reader11722 on May 1, 2007 6:24 PM
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Final link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
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