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Controversial Michael Moore Flick 'Sicko' Will Compare U.S. Health Care With Cuba's
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Sicko, which will be premiering at the Cannes Film Festival in May, is a comic broadside against the state of American health care, including the mental health system. The film targets drug companies and the HMOS in the richest country in the world -- where the most money is spent on health care, but where the U.S. ranks 21st in life expectancy among the 30 most developed nations, obviously in part due to the fact that 47 million people are without health insurance.
The timing of Moore's film is propitious. Twenty-two percent of Americans say that health care is the most pressing issue in America. Health care will clearly be a major issue in the upcoming presidential campaign, as the problems with America's health care system have mushroomed during the Bush administration. For example, between 2001 and 2005 the number of people without health insurance rose 16.6 percent. The average health insurance premiums for a family of four are $10,880, which exceeds the annual gross income of $10,712 for a full-time, minimum-wage worker. In addition, the lack of insurance causes 18,000 excess deaths a year while people without health insurance have 25 percent higher mortality rates. Fifty-nine percent of uninsured people with chronic conditions such as asthma or diabetes skip medicine or go without care.
Under wraps, but one surprise out of the bag
The details of Moore's new film are being kept under tight wraps. According to inside sources, only a handful of people have seen the film, and both the film maker and Harvey Weinstein -- the film's distributor, who also distributed Moore's hugely successful Fahrenheit 9/11 -- are remaining tight-lipped about the film's contents.
Nevertheless, one aspect of the film will not be a total surprise. One of the film's segments, an increasingly controversial boat trip to Cuba, exploded onto the pages of The New York Post, the Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid, when at least one 9/11 cleanup worker who had been invited to participate in a trip to Cuba for Moore's Sicko went to the press.
The boat trip, according to sources who spoke to both the NY Post and The Daily News, took ailing rescue workers to Cuba for health treatment for respiratory ailments which they suffer as a result of working at Ground Zero, and for which a number of the workers have no health insurance. The purpose of the trip, according to some, was to show that the free health care in Cuba is superior to the health care system in the U.S. Those invited on the trip, as described by Janon Fisher in the Post, were told the "Cuban doctors had developed new techniques for treating lung cancer and other respiratory illnesses," and that health care in Cuba was free.
Health care advances in Cuba
According to the Associated Press as cited in the Post article, "Cuba has made recent advancements in biotechnology and exports its treatments to 40 countries around the world, raking in an estimated $100 million a year. ... In 2004, the U.S. government granted an exception to its economic embargo against Cuba and allowed a California drug company to test three cancer vaccines developed in Havana."
Although trip participants signed confidentiality agreements prohibiting them from talking about the trip, some thought the trip a success. From the NY Post:
"From what I hear through the grapevine those people who went are utterly happy, said John Feal, who runs the Fealgood Foundation to raise money for responders and was approached by Moore to find responders willing to take the trip. "They got the Elvis treatment."According to staff writer Bill Hutchinson from the Daily News, Moore was praised for seeking medical alternatives. Retired Firefighter Vinnie Forras, 49, said he's been going to Ecuador and Bolivia for experimental treatments for lung damage and severe headaches which he suffered at Ground Zero. "For me, anyone who's looking to try to help the guys and women who are sick is a good thing. I don't care where you go for that treatment."
On the other hand, some balked at the idea of going: "I would rather die an American than go to Cuba," Joe Picurro told the NY Post. Picurro, an ironworker with a laundry list of respiratory and other ailments, said, "I just laughed. I couldn't do it. "
America's second-class health care system
Clearly one of the themes of Moore's films, highlighted by the trip to Cuba, is to challenge the myth that the U.S. has superior health care when compared with other countries. In a recent AlterNet article, attorney Guy Saperstein explained,
"The World Health Organization ranks health care systems based on objective measures of medical outcomes: The United States' health care system currently ranks 37th in the world, behind Colombia and Portugal; the United States ranks 44th in the world in infant mortality, behind many impoverished Latin American countries. While infant mortality in the United States is skewed toward poor people, who have rates double the wealthy, the top quintile of the U.S. population has infant mortality rates higher than Canadians in the lowest quintile of wealth.
"The United States has fewer physicians, nurses and hospital beds than most developed nations. In the United States, 28 percent say it is "difficult to get care"; in most European countries, Japan, Australia and New Zealand, 15 percent say that. In terms of continuity of care (i.e., five-plus years with the same doctor), the United States is the worst of all developed nations. By every objective measure, the United States has a second-rate health care system."It is unclear how soon after Cannes Sicko will open in U.S. theaters. But with the aggressive and often Oscar hungry Weinstein at the distribution helm, there is little doubt that the movie will make a big splash, bubbling up many more controversies. Moore's film has been a long time coming -- three years since his huge success with Fahrenheit 9/11, which was awarded the Palme d'Or (Golden Palm), the festival's highest award, by an international jury in 2004.
Legend has it that while Moore has been critical of Cuba, he became a hero there after a pirated version of Fahrenheit 9/11 was shown on government-controlled TV. It's ironic that Cuba showed a free version, because the film has made boatloads of money. According to the Wikipedia, "As of January 2005, [Fahrenheit 9/11] had broken all box office records for a documentary grossing nearly US $120 million in U.S. box office, and over US $220 million worldwide, an unprecedented amount for a political documentary; Sony reported first-day DVD sales of two million copies, again a new record for the genre."
Only time will tell if Moore can duplicate his success.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 23, 2007 3:56 AM
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One hundred years from now when people like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are mere footnotes in American history - relegated to the historical trash bins - they will be conducting college courses on Michael Moore.
I'm seriously thinking about organiziing a Michael Moore Film Festival this summer. Not far from where I live, there is a little town callen Rosedale, NY which would be a perfect site for the event. It's an "arsty" little burg with a movie theater that tends to screen documentaries and classics. That would be one heck of a party! Maybe Fourth of July weekend. Anybody have plans for that weekend?
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Posted by: missjibba on Apr 23, 2007 3:59 AM
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I must make a slight correction, however. It was the masterful "Bowling for Columbine" which won the Oscar for best documentary. Who can forget Moore's stirring speech at the ceremony?
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Posted by: DrLynn on Apr 23, 2007 4:21 AM
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But you may remember that the government gave millions to the families of the stock brokers, bond dealers, etc that were in the twin towers when it went down - which some of the families said was not enough. But the workers do not seem to count enough even to get health care
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I will never forget watching President Bush in Fahrenheit 9/11-- frozen by what only could’ve been fear after being told about the first Twin Tower attack.
I couldn’t helping thinking that John Kerry would have immediately left the room and taken command of the situation. Not Shrub. For seven long minutes, he continued reading a grade school book ironically titled “The Goat” while waiting for someone to tell him what to do. Had more Americans made that connection – inaction and inept leadership -- Kerry would have won in 2004.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 23, 2007 5:48 AM
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Moore's film will just be another nail in the coffin. I would have liked to see it come out at least a year ago.
His comparison to Cuba will probably not be taken too seriously by the health care reform players.
Still I can't wait to see SICKO!
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Posted by: AdamG on Apr 23, 2007 6:08 AM
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So Joe, let's get this straight. Your own government pulls a false flag operation, you get sick being "collateral damage", but you're too patriotic to get treatment from a pinko commie dictator? You Joe, are a real American, you make us all proud.
God Bless America!
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---George C. Scott, in "The Hospital" (1971)
Check out this great movie from the early 70's, a time when they made real movies about REAL issues. A movie still pertinent today.
Sadly, we have not only made no progress from 30 years ago, but have actually gotten worse.
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Posted by: snowhound on Apr 23, 2007 6:49 AM
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It's time to start eating whole healthy foods that are not stripped pf their nutritional value by pasteurization or irradiation. Seek out local food sources that don't use pesticides and meat that is pasture raised. Take control of your health and realize that God created your body with innate intelligence to heal itself. Seek out Alternative therapies and natural medicines. Use detoxification as a way to enable your body to heal itself.
Our government wants to eliminate all forms of natural food and medicines because a sick nation on drugs generates trillions of dollars into the pockets Pharma companies and ultimately themselves.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 23, 2007 7:22 AM
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Moore does the same again with healthcare. In fact both Britain and Canada are by the day adopting the American mixed market model. Just today the British Medical Association has published a report detailing how people in the UK have to pay extra to get treatment in that 'free' system and that the whole thing is moving rapidly to becoming a market system. We see in Canada similar trends well underway.
What is good about the US system, apart from the British and Canadian, is that you pay and you get something. In Britain you pay through your taxes and national insurance, and then you have to pay again when you actually need healthcare. Only because it is a stalinistic, sneaky system, nothing is made clear and you have to do the equivalent of bribing doctors to jump the queue and get timely treatment before you die. That is why Brits more and more take-off to Europe to get treated because, hey, if you got to pay, you might as well pay less and get a system that doesn't kill you off with deadly bugs and incompetence. Because that is Britain.
Healthcare needs to be managed through insurance schemes: there are just too many choices these days. I do agree the Cubans have an excellent community health system (I have used it) and we could learn a lot from it. But as for Canada and the UK, forget it.
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Posted by: Robert2007 on Apr 23, 2007 7:27 AM
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But to say that regular Cubans receive that same type of health care is preposterous and shows Moore's lack of information about the reality of life under Castro for the regular Cubans.
If you want to see how the hospital for Cubans look like, not the ones where Moore was taken to by his Cuban handlers, click here:
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
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Posted by: picket on Apr 23, 2007 8:46 AM
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11.4/1000 in Mississippi [2007]
6.0/1000 in Cuba [2002]
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Posted by: anonimus1 on Apr 23, 2007 8:59 AM
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AMERICA: From Freedom to Fascism, by Aaron Russo
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-4312730277175242198&q=aaron+russo&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)
Also worth watching, as it goes more in-depth on the same topics...
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)
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Posted by: anonimus1 on Apr 23, 2007 9:02 AM
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AMERICA: From Freedom to Fascism, by Aaron Russo
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-4312730277175242198&q=aaron+russo&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)
Also worth watching, as it goes more in-depth on the same topics...
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)
Remove the corporate-owned US Federal Reserve from power, and I'll bet the healthcare system in the USA will clean itself up -- since there won't be a secret governing body working behind the scenes to destroy the middle class in the USA.
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Posted by: kathat on Apr 23, 2007 10:10 AM
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April 16, 2007 - Jonathan Cohn has studied health care for a decade, and he's heard hundreds of grim tales—people who skimp on doctors' visits and skip medications so they can make the rent; patients who died because, as he writes in his new book, they "literally could not afford" to fall ill. That book, "Sick: The Untold Story of America's Health Care Crisis—And the People Who Pay the Price," focuses in heart-rending detail on nine of those stories, the kind of which may well find their way into stump speeches in 2008. But it also brings a fresher perspective to the health-care debate, thanks to a second, more surprising source: Depression-era documents that tell nearly identical stories. Then, too, ailing people went without care as politicians and physicians sparred over its spiraling costs. "It's frightening how parallel the situations are," Cohn says in an interview. But America isn't necessarily doomed to repeat its history, as long as there's still time to learn from it.
Cohn begins his saga around 1910, a time when Doctors had pioneered anesthesia and antiseptics, transforming hospitals "from places where people were lucky to survive to places where people expected to be cured," he writes. But by the late '20s, many of the shiny new facilities looked like ghost towns. As medicine's abilities grew, so did its costs; from 1918 to 1929 the tab nearly doubled from 7.6 percent of a family's budget to 13 percent. A week in the hospital cost more than what most workers made in a month. Health insurance didn't exist at the time, so the only option was to pay out-of-pocket—and once the Depression hit, few could.
The empty hospitals were as much a disaster for underworked doctors as they were for patients. So in 1927 a high-powered committee of docs started conducting the country's first "medical census." After five years, the committee concluded that America needed a national health-insurance system like some already in place in Europe. One fan of the proposal described its core mission by cribbing a phrase from Karl Marx: "That all basic public-health services should be available for the entire population according to its needs."
In hindsight, Marx wasn't the best of spokesmen. The Washington Star sarcastically suggested expanding the plan "to include all the other things about which the poor are worried. Why not socialize food and clothing, rent and fuel?" The Boston Evening Transcript dismissed the proposal as "entertaining." And although the committee consisted largely of doctors, it didn't, apparently, represent the rest of the medical community. The Journal of the American Medical Association published its own editorial branding the authors of the report "medical Soviets."
By 1933, the New Deal was underway, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt was considering national health insurance as part of it—but conservative doctors, then as now, were a powerful lobby. "They were out in front fighting this, arguing that it would interfere with the practice of medicine," says Cohn. "The cynical interpretation is that they were concerned about their incomes. The generous interpretation is that they were concerned it would mean worse medical care." FDR ultimately dropped the issue so it wouldn't derail the Social Security Act. Doctors then created the first private health-insurance plans, as well as rural medical groups that mutated into HMOs in the 1970s.
With every major change in policy from the 1930s on, including the foundation of Medicare in 1965, says Cohn, America had the same debate all over again. Cohn argues that "the last 80 years have been a test case of whether we as a country made the right choices" in the late '20s and early '30s. Whatever your politics may be, it's hard to read the modern-day stories in his book and come away thinking we did.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 23, 2007 10:10 AM
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And God, the rich scum running this country hate the truth....
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We need more...
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It sure stank like hell here in New Jersey, some 20 miles from the scene.
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For decades your parent drones and their parent drones condemned Castro for forcing the US corporations, organized crime and our rapacious way of introducing other nations to our "right" way of government, out of his country and brought to an end the "benevolent" U.S.'s fouling of the indigenous people. And now you drones are sneaking there to "bleed" their healthcare system, ( hmm much like the "lesser folk" from Mexico do to ours, which you so loudly condemn them for). For the life of me, I can't think of too many redeeming qualities of this government or the sick bunch of drones who live here. And no, I am not an evil "commie" like the ones you're using to get health care from because you sat on your collective asses and let Reagan / Bush / Cheney et al visit their brand of evil on not only us, but the rest of the world. And yes,.. I would gladly piss on this country and leave if I was younger and had a few bucks. Because, you see, since my father and many of his co-workers were killed from being exposed to Beryllium by this icon to world justice I simply don't care to listen to the "buzz" of the drones in this hive any longer.
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Posted by: lmosthvn on Apr 23, 2007 2:53 PM
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I'd go to Cuba, too, if my myopic government would let me!! I can't afford to get my health care in the U.S. and I am glad Michael Moore is making the point that needs to be made.
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Posted by: ateo on Apr 23, 2007 5:45 PM
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The poor are left to die in the streets. That is what America truly stands for, social Darwinism that grew out of the eugenics movement that grew out of British imperialism and so it goes.
Make no mistake, however, anyone from the middle class up is living in the greatest country on Earth for them. Anyone lower middle class down would be better off in any number of other countries.
Recognizing that all one can do is emigrate elsewhere or strive to reach the upper middle class. Earning 70-90K a year as an individual will make you one of the chosen sons of America. I say make your choice, die in the streets when the rich no longer have need of your services (you can be replaced by an immigrant or outsourced) or develop skills that make you too valuable to throw away.
That's America.
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Well now we have seen the pain, deprivation and even death that this idea of health care delivery has brought on our people.
I will predict that this film may just make health care the most important issue in the next elections. Better the Democratic candidates be forthright about it because we can't win any war when we have a sick population.
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Posted by: richholland on Apr 24, 2007 2:00 AM
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I personally met an Americam retired iron worker who was insured in the USA and had 1 heart operation done.
But he had to pay the next one so he fled into Thailand firstclass costs $ 7ooo.
The government helps turnkeyprojects(plane/hospital/hotel
People are coming from all over the world.
As for CUBA if MacDonald and COcaCOla try to give those poor surpressed communists their "freedom" America wil have another war like Vietnam, Irak and Iran.
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As others have said Aaron Russo with his Freedom to Fascism (while perhaps not as entertaining) is far gutsier and more relevant in going after the core parasite that rigs the nation thru an unconstitutional "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) and its various sellout Washington-MSM puppets.
System government always comes down to who issues and controls the money in any society. And as every founder of the nation as much as warned – without honest money, a cartel trade slave system is what remains.
Make no mistake: we live under a criminal and fascist Corporate Monopoly State where open market “democracy” and “capitalism” are long gone – replaced by the mere words that are now only killing slogans worldwide.
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Posted by: richholland on Apr 24, 2007 10:07 PM
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BIG MONEY = GOOD PATRIOT
does he spent his millions to change political wrong things in the USA????
Of course not if life was better he couldnot write these books and make these movies.
As long as you have only 2 parties in parliament things never will change.
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On Friday, my friend had abdominal pains, but not so severe as to appear to need medical attention. However, by Saturday morning, she was in agony. Her daughter called the Camden Clark Memorial Hospital here in Parkersburg, WV to find out how long a wait she might have in the emergency room and was told there would be no wait.
Upon arrival, my friend and her daughter encountered a waiting room filled with patients. By that time, she was in such extreme pain, she was actually doubled over and sobbing, but had to wait her turn among the cuts and bruises and other (minor to serious) cases ahead of her. She wound up waiting 11 hours.
During her wait, my friend was given an identifying bracelet with the wrong name, and then when she was called, they didn't know what to do with the error. When they discovered the mistake, the wrong bracelet was removed, but she was not given another one. She was, however, given tests that showed she had an ovarian cyst - when she has no ovaries due to a hysterectomy a few years ago. After hours and hours of frustration, she finally was sent to the pediatric ward where she was left and forgotten without food for at least 24 hours because someone had incorrectly signed for her release. The attending doctor did not see her because he did not know she was there. In addition to all the other indignities, she had an IV put into her hand that missed the vein, causing her hand to swell up like a balloon.
This is actually only a partial list of the horrible "care" she recieved before being released on Sunday. And the amazing thing is that she still does not know what was wrong. The "guesses" included pancreatitis, divirticulitis, cysts, or infection. She was given antibiotics and a series of tests for which she is still awaiting results. Her family doctor is having her estrogen level checked to find out if she, in fact, really does have an ovary. If she has an ovary, the surgeon who did her hysterectomy lied to her and didn't do a complete removal, if she does not, a huge mistake was made during the testing procedure at CCMH, and someone who maybe does have a cyst didn't receive the information.
The main problem was not the concern or efforts of the hospital staff. There were only two nurses in the emergency room, and the entire hospital seemed understaffed. In the pediatric ward, there were babies with some kind of nasty virus, and the nurses were running themselves ragged trying to care for them. The problem is that for-profit health care is a very bad idea for everyone except those making the profit. Cutting costs takes priority over patients.
This situation, although extreme, is not the only horror story. I've had a family member who would have been given the wrong medication if it had not been for her mother staying in the room with her. I have talked to friends who have been left for hours alone unable to get out of bed or contact a nurse for assistance. Again, the problem is profits. There are not enough nurses on duty at any given time, emergency rooms are crowded, and insurance companies do their best to avoid payment.
Whether or not one likes Michael Moore (and I do, in spite of his not being perfect), any attention that can be focused on our failing health care system should be welcome. Maybe Cananda and the UK don't have all the answers, but the US government should be embarrassed to head the wealthiest, most powerful country in perhaps the history of the world and still be so far down in the ranking of health, medical care, and mortality rates among industrialized (I hesitate to say "civilized") nations.
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However, the right would have you believe this invalidates his arguements. According to their logic, if I say Hitler was the devil, that must make Hitler a really great guy. After all, Hitler was only a man. By calling him the devil I am exaggerating. He is not the devil incarnate so I must be LYING.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 23, 2007 3:56 AM
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One hundred years from now when people like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are mere footnotes in American history - relegated to the historical trash bins - they will be conducting college courses on Michael Moore.
I'm seriously thinking about organiziing a Michael Moore Film Festival this summer. Not far from where I live, there is a little town callen Rosedale, NY which would be a perfect site for the event. It's an "arsty" little burg with a movie theater that tends to screen documentaries and classics. That would be one heck of a party! Maybe Fourth of July weekend. Anybody have plans for that weekend?
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I must make a slight correction, however. It was the masterful "Bowling for Columbine" which won the Oscar for best documentary. Who can forget Moore's stirring speech at the ceremony?
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But you may remember that the government gave millions to the families of the stock brokers, bond dealers, etc that were in the twin towers when it went down - which some of the families said was not enough. But the workers do not seem to count enough even to get health care
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I will never forget watching President Bush in Fahrenheit 9/11-- frozen by what only could’ve been fear after being told about the first Twin Tower attack.
I couldn’t helping thinking that John Kerry would have immediately left the room and taken command of the situation. Not Shrub. For seven long minutes, he continued reading a grade school book ironically titled “The Goat” while waiting for someone to tell him what to do. Had more Americans made that connection – inaction and inept leadership -- Kerry would have won in 2004.
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Moore's film will just be another nail in the coffin. I would have liked to see it come out at least a year ago.
His comparison to Cuba will probably not be taken too seriously by the health care reform players.
Still I can't wait to see SICKO!
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So Joe, let's get this straight. Your own government pulls a false flag operation, you get sick being "collateral damage", but you're too patriotic to get treatment from a pinko commie dictator? You Joe, are a real American, you make us all proud.
God Bless America!
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---George C. Scott, in "The Hospital" (1971)
Check out this great movie from the early 70's, a time when they made real movies about REAL issues. A movie still pertinent today.
Sadly, we have not only made no progress from 30 years ago, but have actually gotten worse.
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It's time to start eating whole healthy foods that are not stripped pf their nutritional value by pasteurization or irradiation. Seek out local food sources that don't use pesticides and meat that is pasture raised. Take control of your health and realize that God created your body with innate intelligence to heal itself. Seek out Alternative therapies and natural medicines. Use detoxification as a way to enable your body to heal itself.
Our government wants to eliminate all forms of natural food and medicines because a sick nation on drugs generates trillions of dollars into the pockets Pharma companies and ultimately themselves.
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Moore does the same again with healthcare. In fact both Britain and Canada are by the day adopting the American mixed market model. Just today the British Medical Association has published a report detailing how people in the UK have to pay extra to get treatment in that 'free' system and that the whole thing is moving rapidly to becoming a market system. We see in Canada similar trends well underway.
What is good about the US system, apart from the British and Canadian, is that you pay and you get something. In Britain you pay through your taxes and national insurance, and then you have to pay again when you actually need healthcare. Only because it is a stalinistic, sneaky system, nothing is made clear and you have to do the equivalent of bribing doctors to jump the queue and get timely treatment before you die. That is why Brits more and more take-off to Europe to get treated because, hey, if you got to pay, you might as well pay less and get a system that doesn't kill you off with deadly bugs and incompetence. Because that is Britain.
Healthcare needs to be managed through insurance schemes: there are just too many choices these days. I do agree the Cubans have an excellent community health system (I have used it) and we could learn a lot from it. But as for Canada and the UK, forget it.
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But to say that regular Cubans receive that same type of health care is preposterous and shows Moore's lack of information about the reality of life under Castro for the regular Cubans.
If you want to see how the hospital for Cubans look like, not the ones where Moore was taken to by his Cuban handlers, click here:
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
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11.4/1000 in Mississippi [2007]
6.0/1000 in Cuba [2002]
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AMERICA: From Freedom to Fascism, by Aaron Russo
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-4312730277175242198&q=aaron+russo&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)
Also worth watching, as it goes more in-depth on the same topics...
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)
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AMERICA: From Freedom to Fascism, by Aaron Russo
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-4312730277175242198&q=aaron+russo&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)
Also worth watching, as it goes more in-depth on the same topics...
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+masters&hl=en (remove space after ? in this link)
Remove the corporate-owned US Federal Reserve from power, and I'll bet the healthcare system in the USA will clean itself up -- since there won't be a secret governing body working behind the scenes to destroy the middle class in the USA.
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April 16, 2007 - Jonathan Cohn has studied health care for a decade, and he's heard hundreds of grim tales—people who skimp on doctors' visits and skip medications so they can make the rent; patients who died because, as he writes in his new book, they "literally could not afford" to fall ill. That book, "Sick: The Untold Story of America's Health Care Crisis—And the People Who Pay the Price," focuses in heart-rending detail on nine of those stories, the kind of which may well find their way into stump speeches in 2008. But it also brings a fresher perspective to the health-care debate, thanks to a second, more surprising source: Depression-era documents that tell nearly identical stories. Then, too, ailing people went without care as politicians and physicians sparred over its spiraling costs. "It's frightening how parallel the situations are," Cohn says in an interview. But America isn't necessarily doomed to repeat its history, as long as there's still time to learn from it.
Cohn begins his saga around 1910, a time when Doctors had pioneered anesthesia and antiseptics, transforming hospitals "from places where people were lucky to survive to places where people expected to be cured," he writes. But by the late '20s, many of the shiny new facilities looked like ghost towns. As medicine's abilities grew, so did its costs; from 1918 to 1929 the tab nearly doubled from 7.6 percent of a family's budget to 13 percent. A week in the hospital cost more than what most workers made in a month. Health insurance didn't exist at the time, so the only option was to pay out-of-pocket—and once the Depression hit, few could.
The empty hospitals were as much a disaster for underworked doctors as they were for patients. So in 1927 a high-powered committee of docs started conducting the country's first "medical census." After five years, the committee concluded that America needed a national health-insurance system like some already in place in Europe. One fan of the proposal described its core mission by cribbing a phrase from Karl Marx: "That all basic public-health services should be available for the entire population according to its needs."
In hindsight, Marx wasn't the best of spokesmen. The Washington Star sarcastically suggested expanding the plan "to include all the other things about which the poor are worried. Why not socialize food and clothing, rent and fuel?" The Boston Evening Transcript dismissed the proposal as "entertaining." And although the committee consisted largely of doctors, it didn't, apparently, represent the rest of the medical community. The Journal of the American Medical Association published its own editorial branding the authors of the report "medical Soviets."
By 1933, the New Deal was underway, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt was considering national health insurance as part of it—but conservative doctors, then as now, were a powerful lobby. "They were out in front fighting this, arguing that it would interfere with the practice of medicine," says Cohn. "The cynical interpretation is that they were concerned about their incomes. The generous interpretation is that they were concerned it would mean worse medical care." FDR ultimately dropped the issue so it wouldn't derail the Social Security Act. Doctors then created the first private health-insurance plans, as well as rural medical groups that mutated into HMOs in the 1970s.
With every major change in policy from the 1930s on, including the foundation of Medicare in 1965, says Cohn, America had the same debate all over again. Cohn argues that "the last 80 years have been a test case of whether we as a country made the right choices" in the late '20s and early '30s. Whatever your politics may be, it's hard to read the modern-day stories in his book and come away thinking we did.
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And God, the rich scum running this country hate the truth....
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It sure stank like hell here in New Jersey, some 20 miles from the scene.
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For decades your parent drones and their parent drones condemned Castro for forcing the US corporations, organized crime and our rapacious way of introducing other nations to our "right" way of government, out of his country and brought to an end the "benevolent" U.S.'s fouling of the indigenous people. And now you drones are sneaking there to "bleed" their healthcare system, ( hmm much like the "lesser folk" from Mexico do to ours, which you so loudly condemn them for). For the life of me, I can't think of too many redeeming qualities of this government or the sick bunch of drones who live here. And no, I am not an evil "commie" like the ones you're using to get health care from because you sat on your collective asses and let Reagan / Bush / Cheney et al visit their brand of evil on not only us, but the rest of the world. And yes,.. I would gladly piss on this country and leave if I was younger and had a few bucks. Because, you see, since my father and many of his co-workers were killed from being exposed to Beryllium by this icon to world justice I simply don't care to listen to the "buzz" of the drones in this hive any longer.
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Posted by: lmosthvn on Apr 23, 2007 2:53 PM
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I'd go to Cuba, too, if my myopic government would let me!! I can't afford to get my health care in the U.S. and I am glad Michael Moore is making the point that needs to be made.
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The poor are left to die in the streets. That is what America truly stands for, social Darwinism that grew out of the eugenics movement that grew out of British imperialism and so it goes.
Make no mistake, however, anyone from the middle class up is living in the greatest country on Earth for them. Anyone lower middle class down would be better off in any number of other countries.
Recognizing that all one can do is emigrate elsewhere or strive to reach the upper middle class. Earning 70-90K a year as an individual will make you one of the chosen sons of America. I say make your choice, die in the streets when the rich no longer have need of your services (you can be replaced by an immigrant or outsourced) or develop skills that make you too valuable to throw away.
That's America.
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Posted by: viswanat on Apr 23, 2007 6:45 PM
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Well now we have seen the pain, deprivation and even death that this idea of health care delivery has brought on our people.
I will predict that this film may just make health care the most important issue in the next elections. Better the Democratic candidates be forthright about it because we can't win any war when we have a sick population.
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Posted by: richholland on Apr 24, 2007 2:00 AM
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I personally met an Americam retired iron worker who was insured in the USA and had 1 heart operation done.
But he had to pay the next one so he fled into Thailand firstclass costs $ 7ooo.
The government helps turnkeyprojects(plane/hospital/hotel
People are coming from all over the world.
As for CUBA if MacDonald and COcaCOla try to give those poor surpressed communists their "freedom" America wil have another war like Vietnam, Irak and Iran.
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As others have said Aaron Russo with his Freedom to Fascism (while perhaps not as entertaining) is far gutsier and more relevant in going after the core parasite that rigs the nation thru an unconstitutional "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) and its various sellout Washington-MSM puppets.
System government always comes down to who issues and controls the money in any society. And as every founder of the nation as much as warned – without honest money, a cartel trade slave system is what remains.
Make no mistake: we live under a criminal and fascist Corporate Monopoly State where open market “democracy” and “capitalism” are long gone – replaced by the mere words that are now only killing slogans worldwide.
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BIG MONEY = GOOD PATRIOT
does he spent his millions to change political wrong things in the USA????
Of course not if life was better he couldnot write these books and make these movies.
As long as you have only 2 parties in parliament things never will change.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Apr 25, 2007 8:34 AM
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On Friday, my friend had abdominal pains, but not so severe as to appear to need medical attention. However, by Saturday morning, she was in agony. Her daughter called the Camden Clark Memorial Hospital here in Parkersburg, WV to find out how long a wait she might have in the emergency room and was told there would be no wait.
Upon arrival, my friend and her daughter encountered a waiting room filled with patients. By that time, she was in such extreme pain, she was actually doubled over and sobbing, but had to wait her turn among the cuts and bruises and other (minor to serious) cases ahead of her. She wound up waiting 11 hours.
During her wait, my friend was given an identifying bracelet with the wrong name, and then when she was called, they didn't know what to do with the error. When they discovered the mistake, the wrong bracelet was removed, but she was not given another one. She was, however, given tests that showed she had an ovarian cyst - when she has no ovaries due to a hysterectomy a few years ago. After hours and hours of frustration, she finally was sent to the pediatric ward where she was left and forgotten without food for at least 24 hours because someone had incorrectly signed for her release. The attending doctor did not see her because he did not know she was there. In addition to all the other indignities, she had an IV put into her hand that missed the vein, causing her hand to swell up like a balloon.
This is actually only a partial list of the horrible "care" she recieved before being released on Sunday. And the amazing thing is that she still does not know what was wrong. The "guesses" included pancreatitis, divirticulitis, cysts, or infection. She was given antibiotics and a series of tests for which she is still awaiting results. Her family doctor is having her estrogen level checked to find out if she, in fact, really does have an ovary. If she has an ovary, the surgeon who did her hysterectomy lied to her and didn't do a complete removal, if she does not, a huge mistake was made during the testing procedure at CCMH, and someone who maybe does have a cyst didn't receive the information.
The main problem was not the concern or efforts of the hospital staff. There were only two nurses in the emergency room, and the entire hospital seemed understaffed. In the pediatric ward, there were babies with some kind of nasty virus, and the nurses were running themselves ragged trying to care for them. The problem is that for-profit health care is a very bad idea for everyone except those making the profit. Cutting costs takes priority over patients.
This situation, although extreme, is not the only horror story. I've had a family member who would have been given the wrong medication if it had not been for her mother staying in the room with her. I have talked to friends who have been left for hours alone unable to get out of bed or contact a nurse for assistance. Again, the problem is profits. There are not enough nurses on duty at any given time, emergency rooms are crowded, and insurance companies do their best to avoid payment.
Whether or not one likes Michael Moore (and I do, in spite of his not being perfect), any attention that can be focused on our failing health care system should be welcome. Maybe Cananda and the UK don't have all the answers, but the US government should be embarrassed to head the wealthiest, most powerful country in perhaps the history of the world and still be so far down in the ranking of health, medical care, and mortality rates among industrialized (I hesitate to say "civilized") nations.
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However, the right would have you believe this invalidates his arguements. According to their logic, if I say Hitler was the devil, that must make Hitler a really great guy. After all, Hitler was only a man. By calling him the devil I am exaggerating. He is not the devil incarnate so I must be LYING.
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