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Schwarzenegger: The Fake Environmental Hero
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Posted by: YinRising on Apr 19, 2007 12:39 AM
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http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/456/ california_governor_vetoes_hemp_bill
(erase space before "_california")
One can't be pro-environment and a Hemp Prohibitionist at the same time.
Hemp Prohibition from its start 70 years ago, has been nothing but a subsidy for the biggest of Chemical polluting and clearcutting corporations such as DuPont, Monsanto, and Pacific Lumber. It also belies any notion of a "free market."
While hemp farming will not stop global warming by itself, it does have an integral role to play in the healing of our Mother Earth.
http://thehia.org/
http://votehemp.com/
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» RE: Arnold showed his true colors when he vetoed the Hemp bill last year
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» RE: Arnold showed his true colors when he vetoed the Hemp bill last year
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Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 19, 2007 1:23 AM
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Unfortunately, voters think elections are about electing the prom king, the most popular guy, the one who is going to win.
Arnold has turned that into a way to win big. He's an actor. Just as Reagan was. If not for the law, Americans would probably elect Arnold president, too.
Yes, it is necessary to pull Arnold's covers to reveal the phony underneath. Acting is phony. Reagan was a phony. Americans cannot tell the real from the phony. That's why we need the Fourth Estate doing its job and not promoting the phonys.
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» RE: Politics always has been a beauty contest. Arnold does have a point. though
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» A drop in the bucket is better than nothing? We need more than gestures.
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» RE: Politics always has been a beauty contest.
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Posted by: Brutus on Apr 19, 2007 5:40 AM
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Posted by: silkreed on Apr 19, 2007 6:30 AM
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Posted by: Aimee on Apr 19, 2007 6:31 AM
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The governor should help to restore the orange groves and produce agriculture. Global Climate Change is not a joke. Stop the watering of front lawns, ban swimming pools, and give incentives for the use of solar panels and on-demand water heaters, etc. While we're at it, ban Round-Up and all chemicals that go into our water supply.
Can't be done? Well, Rizhao, China has done it. All buildings have solar panels and homes have on-demand water heaters. They are making a statement.
Come on Gov. Schwarzenegger! Show a little backbone. Restore California. Come on all governors, mayors and Pres. Bush. Global Climate Change is not a joke.
Aimee
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 19, 2007 6:59 AM
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 19, 2007 7:27 AM
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Vegan food in public schools so kids can nourish their brains with healthier choices than federally funded cheeze wizz and tater tots.
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» RE: Oh, Arnold, other ideas...
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Posted by: freethink7 on Apr 19, 2007 7:31 AM
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Read more about Arnold and his hideous-despicable morally ambiguous behavior at:
http://www.arnoldexposed.com/arnold.htm
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Posted by: lynned2002 on Apr 19, 2007 7:49 AM
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How on earth did us baby boomers survive growing up in 1900 square foot houses? Oh I remember, I used to hang out in the yard.
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Posted by: kevred on Apr 19, 2007 8:10 AM
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What gives me hope about him, though, is that he's a Republican governor of a large state. The last person you'd expect to be doing anything progressive. And he's still doing all kinds of things that are at least borderline pro-environment.
So if we judge him not by the standards of a liberal activist, but by the standards of a wealthy Republican tycoon, then he's suddenly doing much better. He's overseeing one of the largest and most important economies in the world, and through simple force of will is pushing green initiatives right into the heart of it. That's going to affect the practices of big business more than any of us or our complaints will, and it will ripple out from California, as everything else does. We can't get Corporate America to where we want it to be through grass-roots guilt alone. It's going to take people with power and charisma on the other side to help bookend the process.
He's no saint, is not as progressive or consistent as any of us would like him to be. But if this is the new face of moderate Republicans, then we'll be in much better shape than we've been the last 13 years or so.
I hate to hear myself accepting anything less than true progressivism in our leaders. And at the end of the day he's not satisfactory enough on his own, for everything that desperately need to be done for the environment.
But for all that we don't like about him, he's actually affecting the big picture more than any of our current leading Democrats have--tell me about the grand environmental record of Obama or Clinton or the other Dems currently clamoring for our attention!--and hopefully can be kept honest enough to keep doing something, even if it's not enough on its own.
Then again, are any of our individual actions enough, on their own?
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» RE: If he's the "new right", or even new center, that's good
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 19, 2007 9:10 AM
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That feeling comes to me each time I see Arnold on TV or read about him on the Internet. For Governor Schwarzenegger is living proof that the majority of Californians, those who voted for him, have a collective IQ equal to the median wintertime temperature here.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» RE: Having Arnold for my governor is almost as bad as Bush being my president.
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» RE: Having Arnold for my governor is almost as bad as Bush being my president.
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» Arnold for president
Posted by: Swedish liberal
» Oh contraire, Swedish liberal. Mr. Muscles is a GOP weathervane.
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Posted by: anonimus1 on Apr 19, 2007 9:57 AM
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This truly makes sense.
I am going to right "RAPTURE" for president in 2008, and just get to the freaking point of it all. The neocons want to control the world and then they want to end it all for the rest of us, by selling us the Rapture.
I could probably retire from selling bumper stickers that read --
RAPTURE - SATAN'S BEST IDEA EVER
RAPTURE - Phuck Everything, 'Cuz I'm Goin' to Heaven
RAPTURE = Faith x Fear x Lack of Education
RAPTURE - Because Jesus wants you to die, too!
RAPTURE - Why not assume the worst in life?
RAPTURE - Because it's good for the economy!
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 19, 2007 10:11 AM
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I am uncomfortable with the way liberals keep bashing Arnold.
Clearly they are afraid of him. (I wonder if he could get an C. Amendment passed before the next election???????)
But as a radical activist-I like him. First of all he is someone the average American will vote for. He is married to a Kenndy. (Feminist point---who I think would have MORE influence over him -than his 'brother in law')
And he is RIGHT- in the 1960's THE BEATLES were sexy and cool...and that a lot to do with the anti-war protests, the civil rights movement, and the very start of the environmental rights movement being cool too.
Yeah Yeah Yeah.
He is someone males relate to. I think Arnolds hands are tied a lot by politics. Anyone who still thinks politicians are really the ones at the top of the power system are fools.
It is the RICH. And Arnold is trying in this speech to capture the imagination of the rich- who really control things.
Good for him. I wish he could do more. I think he is trying.
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» RE: At least he is trying---
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 19, 2007 2:40 PM
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Look I'm a gear head and like cool tech too, but if the pricetag for gear is too high, and like most things lately, everything costs 300% more than it did 10 years ago with very little income increase to keep up, all the cool shit in the world isn't worth much. Until Ahnold starts talking turkey about a $10K electric vehicle for a family of 4, it's all crap, total, utter crap.
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Posted by: Techubus on Apr 19, 2007 7:11 PM
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Having said that, there is considerable truth to his statements about the perception of environmentalists. I know it rubs people the wrong way to be labeled like that but take a moment and consider it. The question is not whether it was accurate to say that environmentalists are no fun or are like prohibitionists, but whether they were largely perceived that way by the American public.
I think there is little doubt that this perception was commonplace with many people. When you mention environmentalists to many people they picture exactly what he described. In my view, it is a very good thing to push environmental causes into the mainstream, make them hip and cool. Popular culture is a very powerful force, so anything to push these causes into the limelight will only help in the end. Yes, the messenger in this case is fairly disingenuous about environmentalism in my opinion, but he makes a valid point and if at the end of the day his activities help the cause more than harm it, this can only be a good thing.
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Apr 19, 2007 7:20 PM
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Let all the rich people buy their electric sports cars and drive down the production cost to the point where electric cars become commonplace. What's wrong with that?
Some environmentalists seemed to be fixated on having people pay for their sins and get distressed when it looks like technology may present an escape hatch. Remember the brief period when people thought cold fusion would solve all our energy problems? Were the environmentalists overjoyed then? Not all of them, that's for sure.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 19, 2007 7:49 PM
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"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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Posted by: gigawing2 on Apr 19, 2007 10:46 PM
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But on optimism and fun, he's right and you guys are wrong. He's right that emotional stridency is the reason why reform movements are not more popular.
If you've ever been to a protest rally, surprise, the people up front are really fun and creative. That's because positivity is strength, and guilt is weakness. But it's a minority in political movements. I doubt chaining myself to a tree is fun or creative.
Likewise, that's why tyrants choose guilt and fear as weapons of choice, because it makes people go numb. You should be thankful Arnold isn't taking the tyrant route and scaring the populace into submission.
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» RE: *retch* stop with the "sacrifices" already
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Posted by: YinRising on Apr 19, 2007 12:39 AM
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http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/456/ california_governor_vetoes_hemp_bill
(erase space before "_california")
One can't be pro-environment and a Hemp Prohibitionist at the same time.
Hemp Prohibition from its start 70 years ago, has been nothing but a subsidy for the biggest of Chemical polluting and clearcutting corporations such as DuPont, Monsanto, and Pacific Lumber. It also belies any notion of a "free market."
While hemp farming will not stop global warming by itself, it does have an integral role to play in the healing of our Mother Earth.
http://thehia.org/
http://votehemp.com/
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» RE: Arnold showed his true colors when he vetoed the Hemp bill last year
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» RE: Arnold showed his true colors when he vetoed the Hemp bill last year
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Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 19, 2007 1:23 AM
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Unfortunately, voters think elections are about electing the prom king, the most popular guy, the one who is going to win.
Arnold has turned that into a way to win big. He's an actor. Just as Reagan was. If not for the law, Americans would probably elect Arnold president, too.
Yes, it is necessary to pull Arnold's covers to reveal the phony underneath. Acting is phony. Reagan was a phony. Americans cannot tell the real from the phony. That's why we need the Fourth Estate doing its job and not promoting the phonys.
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» RE: Politics always has been a beauty contest. Arnold does have a point. though
Posted by: UnEasyOne
» A drop in the bucket is better than nothing? We need more than gestures.
Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Politics always has been a beauty contest.
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Posted by: Brutus on Apr 19, 2007 5:40 AM
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Posted by: silkreed on Apr 19, 2007 6:30 AM
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Posted by: Aimee on Apr 19, 2007 6:31 AM
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The governor should help to restore the orange groves and produce agriculture. Global Climate Change is not a joke. Stop the watering of front lawns, ban swimming pools, and give incentives for the use of solar panels and on-demand water heaters, etc. While we're at it, ban Round-Up and all chemicals that go into our water supply.
Can't be done? Well, Rizhao, China has done it. All buildings have solar panels and homes have on-demand water heaters. They are making a statement.
Come on Gov. Schwarzenegger! Show a little backbone. Restore California. Come on all governors, mayors and Pres. Bush. Global Climate Change is not a joke.
Aimee
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» RE: Gov. Schwarzenegger should restore California
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» RE: Gov. Schwarzenegger should restore California
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 19, 2007 6:59 AM
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» badkitty!?!?
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 19, 2007 7:27 AM
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Vegan food in public schools so kids can nourish their brains with healthier choices than federally funded cheeze wizz and tater tots.
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» RE: Oh, Arnold, other ideas...
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Posted by: freethink7 on Apr 19, 2007 7:31 AM
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Read more about Arnold and his hideous-despicable morally ambiguous behavior at:
http://www.arnoldexposed.com/arnold.htm
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» Watch Out For Arnold
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» RE: Watch Out For Arnold
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» RE: Watch Out For Arnold
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Posted by: lynned2002 on Apr 19, 2007 7:49 AM
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How on earth did us baby boomers survive growing up in 1900 square foot houses? Oh I remember, I used to hang out in the yard.
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» RE: McMansions Abound
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Posted by: kevred on Apr 19, 2007 8:10 AM
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What gives me hope about him, though, is that he's a Republican governor of a large state. The last person you'd expect to be doing anything progressive. And he's still doing all kinds of things that are at least borderline pro-environment.
So if we judge him not by the standards of a liberal activist, but by the standards of a wealthy Republican tycoon, then he's suddenly doing much better. He's overseeing one of the largest and most important economies in the world, and through simple force of will is pushing green initiatives right into the heart of it. That's going to affect the practices of big business more than any of us or our complaints will, and it will ripple out from California, as everything else does. We can't get Corporate America to where we want it to be through grass-roots guilt alone. It's going to take people with power and charisma on the other side to help bookend the process.
He's no saint, is not as progressive or consistent as any of us would like him to be. But if this is the new face of moderate Republicans, then we'll be in much better shape than we've been the last 13 years or so.
I hate to hear myself accepting anything less than true progressivism in our leaders. And at the end of the day he's not satisfactory enough on his own, for everything that desperately need to be done for the environment.
But for all that we don't like about him, he's actually affecting the big picture more than any of our current leading Democrats have--tell me about the grand environmental record of Obama or Clinton or the other Dems currently clamoring for our attention!--and hopefully can be kept honest enough to keep doing something, even if it's not enough on its own.
Then again, are any of our individual actions enough, on their own?
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» RE: If he's the "new right", or even new center, that's good
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 19, 2007 9:10 AM
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That feeling comes to me each time I see Arnold on TV or read about him on the Internet. For Governor Schwarzenegger is living proof that the majority of Californians, those who voted for him, have a collective IQ equal to the median wintertime temperature here.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» RE: Having Arnold for my governor is almost as bad as Bush being my president.
Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Having Arnold for my governor is almost as bad as Bush being my president.
Posted by: MartianBachelor
» Arnold for president
Posted by: Swedish liberal
» Oh contraire, Swedish liberal. Mr. Muscles is a GOP weathervane.
Posted by: HughScott
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Posted by: anonimus1 on Apr 19, 2007 9:57 AM
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This truly makes sense.
I am going to right "RAPTURE" for president in 2008, and just get to the freaking point of it all. The neocons want to control the world and then they want to end it all for the rest of us, by selling us the Rapture.
I could probably retire from selling bumper stickers that read --
RAPTURE - SATAN'S BEST IDEA EVER
RAPTURE - Phuck Everything, 'Cuz I'm Goin' to Heaven
RAPTURE = Faith x Fear x Lack of Education
RAPTURE - Because Jesus wants you to die, too!
RAPTURE - Why not assume the worst in life?
RAPTURE - Because it's good for the economy!
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» SO WHAT
Posted by: gellero
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 19, 2007 10:11 AM
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I am uncomfortable with the way liberals keep bashing Arnold.
Clearly they are afraid of him. (I wonder if he could get an C. Amendment passed before the next election???????)
But as a radical activist-I like him. First of all he is someone the average American will vote for. He is married to a Kenndy. (Feminist point---who I think would have MORE influence over him -than his 'brother in law')
And he is RIGHT- in the 1960's THE BEATLES were sexy and cool...and that a lot to do with the anti-war protests, the civil rights movement, and the very start of the environmental rights movement being cool too.
Yeah Yeah Yeah.
He is someone males relate to. I think Arnolds hands are tied a lot by politics. Anyone who still thinks politicians are really the ones at the top of the power system are fools.
It is the RICH. And Arnold is trying in this speech to capture the imagination of the rich- who really control things.
Good for him. I wish he could do more. I think he is trying.
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 19, 2007 2:40 PM
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Look I'm a gear head and like cool tech too, but if the pricetag for gear is too high, and like most things lately, everything costs 300% more than it did 10 years ago with very little income increase to keep up, all the cool shit in the world isn't worth much. Until Ahnold starts talking turkey about a $10K electric vehicle for a family of 4, it's all crap, total, utter crap.
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Posted by: Techubus on Apr 19, 2007 7:11 PM
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Having said that, there is considerable truth to his statements about the perception of environmentalists. I know it rubs people the wrong way to be labeled like that but take a moment and consider it. The question is not whether it was accurate to say that environmentalists are no fun or are like prohibitionists, but whether they were largely perceived that way by the American public.
I think there is little doubt that this perception was commonplace with many people. When you mention environmentalists to many people they picture exactly what he described. In my view, it is a very good thing to push environmental causes into the mainstream, make them hip and cool. Popular culture is a very powerful force, so anything to push these causes into the limelight will only help in the end. Yes, the messenger in this case is fairly disingenuous about environmentalism in my opinion, but he makes a valid point and if at the end of the day his activities help the cause more than harm it, this can only be a good thing.
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Apr 19, 2007 7:20 PM
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Let all the rich people buy their electric sports cars and drive down the production cost to the point where electric cars become commonplace. What's wrong with that?
Some environmentalists seemed to be fixated on having people pay for their sins and get distressed when it looks like technology may present an escape hatch. Remember the brief period when people thought cold fusion would solve all our energy problems? Were the environmentalists overjoyed then? Not all of them, that's for sure.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 19, 2007 7:49 PM
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"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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Posted by: gigawing2 on Apr 19, 2007 10:46 PM
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But on optimism and fun, he's right and you guys are wrong. He's right that emotional stridency is the reason why reform movements are not more popular.
If you've ever been to a protest rally, surprise, the people up front are really fun and creative. That's because positivity is strength, and guilt is weakness. But it's a minority in political movements. I doubt chaining myself to a tree is fun or creative.
Likewise, that's why tyrants choose guilt and fear as weapons of choice, because it makes people go numb. You should be thankful Arnold isn't taking the tyrant route and scaring the populace into submission.
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