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Al Gore's Carbon Solution Won't Stop Climate Change

By David Morris, AlterNet. Posted March 12, 2007.


These days, everyone thinks that carbon trading is the solution to our climate crisis -- from Congress members to Al Gore to the folks organizing the Oscars. Here's why they are wrong and what we can do instead.
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At the Oscars, former Vice President Al Gore and megastar actor Leonardo DiCaprio informed a billion viewers that this was the first "green Oscar," at least with respect to global warming. The hosts had purchased sufficient greenhouse gas offsets to allow them to free the event of any responsibility for increasing greenhouse gases.

Two days later, Al Gore and emission offsets were again in the news when reports circulated that his Nashville house consumed 20 times more energy than a typical house. His spokesman responded: The Gore family had purchased green electricity and carbon offsets in sufficient quantities to render the house's net contribution to global warming as zero.

Over the succeeding weeks, a flurry of articles appeared about the growing use of carbon offsets. According to USA Today, the market for voluntary offsets in 2006 was almost 20 times greater than it was in 2004. Dwarfing this market is the market for what might be called involuntary offsets -- that is offsets purchased as part of the mandatory emissions reductions program agreed to by the 38 industrial nation signatories of the Kyoto Protocol. Nicholas Stern, former chief economist of the World Bank and a major player in the global climate change game, estimates the value of carbon credits currently in circulation as $28 billion and predicts it will climb to $40 billion by 2010.

The shortcomings of current carbon trading systems are clear. As a piece in Newsweek concluded, "So far, the real winners in emissions trading have been polluting factory owners who can sell menial cuts for massive profits and the brokers who pocket fees each time a company buys or sells the right to pollute."

Currently, the link between the purchase of carbon offsets and the actual reduction of carbon emissions is highly controversial and almost impossible to verify. The process is easily manipulated. Measurement tools are remarkably primitive. Even the most basic calculations are subject to wide variations. The New Internationalist requested estimates from four reputable carbon trading companies for the number of credits a passenger would need to purchase to offset an around-the-world flight, starting and ending in London. The magazine received four answers: 4.3, 6, 8.68 and 11.63 tons.

Despite the criticisms, the concept of emissions trading continues to be vigorously supported by major U.S. environmental organizations. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, recently embraced by nine northeastern and mid-Atlantic states, allows for carbon trading, as does California's new global warming initiative. Emissions trading is at the heart of the European Union's strategy to meet its Kyoto Protocol goals. Several congressional bills embrace carbon trading to meet greenhouse gas-reduction goals.

Most environmentalists tend to agree with the assessment of Dan Esty, director of the Yale Center for Environmental Law and Policy: "Carbon trading is a promising strategy for reducing greenhouse gas emissions but the current structures have serious flaws."

In other words, the system is new. As with all new systems, carbon offset trading is working out the kinks. Carbon trading 2.0 will be much better than carbon trading 1.0. Give it a chance.

I disagree. Carbon trading is not a promising strategy. Its costs outweigh its benefits. We don't need carbon trading to reduce carbon emissions. Indeed, it is likely that we will reduce carbon emissions much more without carbon trading.

Unfortunately, policymakers and environmentalists have all but welded together the words, "cap" and "trade." They talk as if a cap cannot exist without a trading mechanism. That's not true. We can have caps without trade.

We should impose an immediate moratorium on carbon trading while imposing ever-more rigorous carbon caps. And stop the use of long-distance offsets. All offsets should be local or regional.

Why is carbon trading inherently problematic?

1. Buying offsets encourages complacency.

Those who purchase offsets believe they are doing something significant when they are not. Their sense of mission accomplished undermines their enthusiasm for real actions that require more sacrifice, which indeed, may be the key selling point for those selling voluntary offsets. As Mike Mason, Climate Care founder told the New Internationalist, "I would rather that 100 percent of people offset their emissions from flights than 50 percent of those people not fly at all."

George Monbiot, author of the terrific new book, "Heat" (the U.S. edition will be published in April by South End Press) has likened the purchase of offsets to the purchase of medieval indulgences. We sin, and we buy absolution.

Even worse, the cost of absolution is so low, little incentive exists to dissuade us from sinning again, and again. For less than the cost of a single tank of gasoline, BP allows its Australian consumers to sign up for a program in which the company offsets any carbon emitted from cars using its gasoline all year long. Environmentally speaking, one might say that at a BP station you can fill and unfill a gas tank at the same time.

Using $10 per ton of CO2 as the average offset price (current prices are as low as $3 per ton), the United States, which generates about 20 percent of the world's greenhouse gases, could buy complete absolution for about $50 billion a year. For that price it would announce to the world, as the Oscars did, that we are not responsible for any net new greenhouse gases. The cost is less than half the annual spending on the war in Iraq, a little over 5 percent of the Pentagon's annual budget.

2. Carbon trading is inherently susceptible to fraud and manipulation.

Carbon trading systems are devised and managed by computerized brokers who buy and sell on a global scale. Their goal is to increase the volume of trades while buying low and selling high; that is, selling credits at a price higher than they buy them. Nothing necessarily wrong with that. But globalized, computerized trading is notoriously untransparent. We know that Enron and others manipulated the electricity market to create a crisis and steal billions of dollars from California households and businesses, primarily because we have tapes of Enron traders on the phone bragging about their manipulations. Yet to this day, investigators have had a hard time identifying the data trail that would prove malfeasance.

Some carbon traders guarantee to retire their credits, which is a step in the right direction. Far more will buy and sell them on a secondary market. As a secondary market emerges, as happened with currency trading in the 1980s and electricity trading in the 1990s, we will see the introduction of ever-more complex and abstract carbon-based financial instruments. And as with electricity and currency trading, an exceedingly handsome prize will go to those who can figure out how to game the system.

One large company announced its withdrawal from the Kyoto Protocol's program of allowing signatories to buy carbon offsets from developing countries while predicting that current carbon-accounting methodologies "will create other Enrons and Arthur Andersens."

The New York Times reports on a deal in which the carbon offsets for a $5 million incinerator in China were sold to European investors for $500 million. "The huge profits will be divided by the factory's owners, a Chinese government energy fund and the consultants and bankers who put together the deal from a mansion in the wealthy Mayfair district of London," the Times observes.

3. Carbon trading encourages cheating and rewards low-cost cosmetic changes while undermining higher cost innovation.

The greater the "baseline" emissions, the greater the payoff that can be derived from selling emission-reducing projects. Thus, there is a perverse incentive to emit as much greenhouse gas as possible today in order to make projects appear to be saving as much carbon as possible tomorrow.

The Dag Hammarskjold Foundation did an excellent analysis of carbon trading in its September 2006 Development Dialogue magazine. "With a bit of judicious accounting," the report found, "a company investing in foreign 'carbon-saving' projects can increase fossil emissions both at home and abroad while claiming to make reductions in both locations."

Carbon traders seek the lowest cost carbon offset. Which almost always means tree planting in some far off country, without regard to its long-term effects on the community or the environment, or a modest reduction in the emissions of a highly polluting factory in a developing nation. A company needing, or wanting, offsets may have to choose between investing a significant amount of capital that has long-term and very substantial savings, or buying much lower cost and short-term offsets. From a short-term economic perspective, the latter will always be the preferred choice. A study reported in Nature, the scientific journal, supported this proposition. It found that only 2 percent of the United Nations' trading projects involving either renewable energy or communities that follow eco-friendly practices with regard to tree cultivation and harvesting.

4. Carbon trading separates authority and responsibility, undermining coherent, holistic community-based efforts.

Globalized carbon trading lends itself to similar criticisms of globalized trade agreements: the preemption of local and national authority, the separation of those who make the decisions from those who feel the impact of those decisions, the separation of those communities that receive the benefit from those who bear the cost.

Indeed, Michael Zammit Cutajar, ex-executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change has made the comparison explicit: "Establishing a robust global regime for addressing climate change is ... comparable to the creation of the international trade regime under the World Trade Organization."

The Hammarskjold Foundation offers a case study of one of the first international carbon offsets project, and its aftermath. In the late 1980s, Applied Energy Service, Inc. (AES), a U.S.-based independent power producer, had been looking for a cost-effective technique for reducing carbon dioxide emissions at a new 183-megawatt coal fired power plant in Connecticut in order to make the plant more acceptable to state regulators.

AES decided to "mitigate" the plant's carbon emissions by offering $2 million to finance 10 years' worth of "land-use activities and multiple-use forestry projects" in Guatemala. Some 40,000 small farms would plant 50 million pine and eucalyptus trees in the course of establishing 30,000 acres of community woodlots and 150,000 acres of agroforestry.

AES obtained permission to build the coal-fired power plant. But an analysis done 10 years later found that the offsets had fallen very far short of the level promised. More importantly, the project took access to the trees out of the hands of ordinary people. One result was that conflict grew between municipal and village authorities and individual landowners. Another result was increasing distrust of government forest offices. And finally, the Guatemala-based organization that was supposed to manage and monitor the project found that the level of monitoring required diverted its resources away from its more community-building projects.

As with the WTO, globalized carbon trading regimes are very susceptible to corporate influence. Which is why, despite strong opposition from environmental organizations, the EU allowed offsets to occur outside of Europe.

It is true that a ton of CO2 reduced in Africa has the same impact on the biosphere and global warming as a ton of CO2 reduced in Minneapolis. But there are other impacts that come with that reduction that have a more localized impact. Reducing carbon emissions invariably also reduces toxics that constitute a local and regional threat, like lead or mercury or benzene or arsenic or particulate matter or ground level ozone. An urban-based coal fired power plant that offsets its CO2 emissions by helping to plant trees in Africa continues to emit pollutants that adversely affect the health of local residents.

Where do we go from here?

Is there an alternative to carbon trading? Of course there is. Emissions trading itself is a relatively new policy tool. It was first used by the EPA in the late 1970s but became a key component of U.S. environmental policy in the Clean Air Act amendments of 1990 when the trading of SOx emissions was allowed.

By the late 1990s the Clinton and Gore administration and major environmental organizations were pushing the use of offsets internationally at the Kyoto negotiations. As Michael Zammit Cutajar, the former executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change has said, the carbon trading approach embodied in Kyoto was "made in the U.S.A."

But the implementation of the Kyoto Protocol is only about a year old. The European Union Emissions Trading Scheme came on line only in 2005. The Northeast Greenhouse Gas Initiative and California's low carbon initiative are still in the rule-making stage. There is plenty of time to step back from the growing reliance on the purchase and trading of long-distance offsets.

One alternative is good old regulation, which contrary to the popular wisdom, has worked very well, especially when the regulations are performance-based. The United States required 23 years to eliminate leaded gasoline, in part because it created a lead trading program. Without allowing trading, Japan eliminated lead in 10 years and China in three. The Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulation, enacted in 1975, did not allow trading but effectively doubled auto efficiency within 10 years. The 1970 Clean Air Act, without allowing trading, reduced emissions significantly through a regulatory approach.

Environmentalists almost always point to the experience under the SOx emissions trading a highly successful use of emissions trading, and that experience was highly influential in persuading nations to adopt emissions offset trading under Kyoto. It is important to note here that no one claims the SOx trading program reduced emissions more or even more rapidly than would have occurred without trading. The argument is that it achieved a given level of emissions cheaper.

SOx trading did reduce the costs of reducing emissions to 9 million tons. But it is unclear just how much the costs were reduced. The Hammarskjold Foundation estimates that at least 20 per cent of the SOx reductions were achieved before the emissions trading program began. Moreover, it argues that factors other than trading were far more important, such as the increased availability of low sulfur coal, and the plunging transportation prices in the aftermath of the railroad deregulation of the mid 1980s. In addition, the claimed cost reductions are from the initially wildly inflated estimated costs of cutting emissions developed by industry. In fact, after the trading scheme got under way, many installations managed to cut emissions without trading at all. Most of those who did trade traded only within their own firm. Interfirm trading amounted to only 2 percent of total emissions.

Thus the savings achieved through SOx trading were probably modest. And it represented a best-case scenario for savings. Measurement equipment was widely available. There was a single target chemical. Only a small number of installations were included in the program.

A greenhouse gas reduction program, however, targets at least half a dozen chemicals and encompasses hundreds of millions of targeted facilities. And measurement and monitoring equipment is unavailable.

Another program adopted about the same time as the SOx trading program might serve as a better model for implementing the Kyoto Protocol. The discovery of the depletion of atmospheric ozone led to the international Montreal Accord. Signatories agreed to phase out specific ozone depleting chemicals. The U.S. Congress coupled the phase-out requirement with a very high tax on chlorofluorocarbons, sending an important price signal it correctly predicted would accelerate phase-out.

Of course, most greenhouse gases can't be phased out. They are part of the natural cycle. But a national and state carbon cap, ratcheted down every five years is similar. To provide a price signal for the market and to raise money for ameliorative investments and other public purposes (e.g., compensating low income households for price increases), impose a significant and increasing carbon tax. Or possibly, governments could auction off carbon allowances (while not allowing trading) and use the money raised for similar purposes.

Offsets should be allowed, but only if they occur on the local level and do not involve long-distance trading. Let me explain this further. For the past year, the Institute for Local Self-Reliance has been working with states and cities to encourage the enactment of climate neutral bonding initiatives and climate neutral building codes. Such codes would encourage architects and engineers to design energy efficient buildings. But rarely will they result in literally zero energy buildings. Thus even in the best cases some amount of greenhouse gases will be emitted. That amount will have to be offset. But the offset must come from a comparable reduction of greenhouse gases within the community. If Al Gore were operating under this standard, he would have to invest in greenhouse gas reductions within Nashville equal to the amount of greenhouse gases generated by his house.

Initially architects and builders will see this as an inconvenience. Far simpler to buy offsets from the Chicago Climate Exchange or other offset traders. But eventually, as communities develop an inventory of buildings that need energy efficiency investments, the overhead costs involved will be quite small.

There are psychological, political and economic reasons to favor investing in carbon reductions within the community. Psychologically, it builds self-awareness at the community level about the interrelationship of individual behavior and global environmental consequences. The community as a whole is taking responsibility for its behavior.

Politically, cities and counties have a great deal of authority over policies that affect energy use (e.g., building codes, land use regulations, transportation systems). Here, authority is married to responsibility. A community that decides, as a community, to adhere to the Kyoto Protocol or more rigorous guidelines has many policy tools to move it toward that goal.

Economically, local offsets may be viewed as investments while buying distant paper offsets are more of an operating expense. Offsets must be purchased every year. But an investment will repay itself in energy savings. In the first case, money flows out of the community. In the second case, money not only stays in the community, but after the initial debt is repaid from reduced operating costs, additional money is generated within the community.

Carbon trading makes us feel good. Investing in local carbon reduction strategies will also make us feel good. But unlike carbon trading, investing to reduce local carbon emissions strengthens the local economy, encourages real innovation, and is a long-term, durable strategy.

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David Morris is co-founder and vice president of the Institute for Local Self Reliance in Minneapolis, Minnnesota and director of its New Rules project.

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More profits for Wall street Zionists
Posted by: ng1944 on Mar 12, 2007 4:13 AM   
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Wall Street salivating counting profits from coming trading in carbon futures.
This is another scam by Zionists to suffocate oil
producing countries and make huge profits at the same time.
Wall street is here, Holliwood is here and if You deny Global warming You deny Holocaust.

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Carbon Trading
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 12, 2007 4:47 AM   
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a.k.a. rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

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A very shortsighted article: trading gives more bang for the buck
Posted by: tblakeslee on Mar 12, 2007 5:31 AM   
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The author misses the whole point of carbon trading. The idea is to reduce carbon emissions - not to punish industries that generate CO2.
Emissions trading creates a free market so that money spent to reduce CO2 emissions is directed to the most efficient projects possible. For example, spending the money to build a new wind tower saves much more CO2 over it’s 30 year lifetime than the same money spent to add controls to an old coal plant with only a few years of operation left.

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Morris Misses the Mark on Carbon Trading
Posted by: skotbskool on Mar 12, 2007 6:33 AM   
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Mr. Morris,
You have completely missed the mark on this article. Carbon trading is a necessary part of a larger strategy to abate carbon dioxide emissions. The market MUST place a price on CO2 so that we can determine the most efficient (cheapest) way to cut our emissions. The cheaper it is to cut CO2 emissions, the more likely big business (and mainstream political parties) will act.

If we can't bring big business and big government on side, then any program is destined to fail - because businesses produce more than 75% of Green House Gas emissions.

I encourage you (readers and reporter) to read two key documents:
1. Green Party of Canada Green Plan www.greenparty.ca
2. TD Economics Report on Green House Gas Abatement Policies (http://www.td.com/economics/special/bc0307_env.pdf)

It seems like Canada may be ahead of the curve on this one!

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A simple solution.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Mar 12, 2007 6:36 AM   
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How about this for a simple solution: Set a $3 a gallon tax on all carbon fuels, then distribute the revenue equally to everyone, making the tax revenue neutral. This would be a true carbon offset with built in penalties and rewards, and would not be subject to the kind of abuse the article discusses. Once the economics are there, then the market will work, and people will find their own way to reduce emissions.

While we're at it, I'm looking at my electric bill. After a service availability charge of 12.80, I pay the following rates:
The first 400 kWhs used are 7.9 cents each.
The next 1400 kWhs are 5.8 cents each.
Everything over 1800 kWhs gets the bargain rate of 4.2 cents.

Does that make sense for energy conservation or greenhouse gas reduction?

If you look at your bill, I can guarantee you will see the same thing. We are penalizing energy savers, and rewarding wasters. Why don't we insist that the regulators reverse that reward system.

By the way, thanks to Al Gore for getting us all to think about it.

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» RE: A simple solution. Posted by: swissliberal
» Variance by utility and state regs Posted by: eddie torres
» or... Posted by: GenErik
It's all about energy
Posted by: ggmurray on Mar 12, 2007 6:44 AM   
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I think the most urgent need of our time is to develop a whole new energy infrastructure - for America and the world. I think hydrogen - made from water - will be the ubiquitous solution. Probably some form of solar panels providing the zap to split the water molecule into hydrogen & oxygen, and then some form of capturing, pressurizing, and storing the released hydrogen for its multiple uses - in cars, home heating, cooling, and cooking, and manufacturing.

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What if global warming is another scam?
Posted by: futurefarm on Mar 12, 2007 7:06 AM   
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I have heard that the real cause of global warming is the increase in solar radiation, which leads to a reduction in cloud cover. Al Gore has shown himself to be a major player in the Bush/ Clinton/ NAFTA/NWO/ and really a Neocon oil company supporter. Let's not forget the sweetheart deal he organized to successfully give away the Bakersfield oil reserves to his family friends at Occidental Petroleum. I don't believe a word he says. How about the way he lured us all into voting for him so he could hand the election to his buddy George W. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, duh duh mumble.
I think the carbon regulations and taxes are just like the other regulations and taxes: Weapon of class domination. Beware. And what are they doing with these chemtrail spray clouds. What is that about?

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Kinks in the carbon trading system
Posted by: cinattra on Mar 12, 2007 7:07 AM   
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I've heard of carbon trading in the news but never really understood it exactly. After reading up on what it is it seems like a step in the right direction. The kinks in the system just like in any new system can be worked out.

Most environmentalists always feel that regulation doesn't go far enough. They want zero emissions now not in ten or twenty years where the economic impact of change can be gradually absorbed.

What environmentalists should push for are performance targets and periodic reviews. Get out of the all or nothing game.

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It's even more simple: stop burning coal.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 12, 2007 7:28 AM   
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Carbon trading is just another example of the 'voluntary free-market approach to regulation' which businesses love - because it allows them to avoid doing anything. Carbon trading won't change the fact that buring fossil fuels emits atmospheric CO2.

The strategy that will work has to include massive investment in renewable energy - and large energy taxes on carbon fuels that go directly to subsidize renewable energy production are the best way to make this change as fast as possible. The greatest taxes should be placed on coal, since it's the dirtiest and most polluting of all the fossil fuels, but a similar tax should be placed on imported oil.

Unfortunately, the fossil fuel lobby has so much power over Congress that the Democrats didn't even get rid of the massive subsidies for the oil and coal industry (as they had promised they were going to) - and there's been no increase in support for renewables. Meanwhile, the current Bush energy plan will lead to a 20% increase in US CO2 emissions by 2020 - in this context, how is carbon trading supposed to reduce CO2 emissions? It's a joke - and a bad one.

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The point is not about the environment but maintaining thier elite
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Mar 12, 2007 8:03 AM   
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status in the community and the world. The rich want to keep their lifestyle and are concerned about the 'peasants' and, especially, '3rd World' countries actually gaining power and increased power and wealth which threatens their lifestyle. Thusly if they can eliminate modernisation of these countries and not allow the standard of living to improve through better technology, energy, and health they will be ensured that they maintain their position of power and privledge.

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Most of CO2
Posted by: ng1944 on Mar 12, 2007 8:26 AM   
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95% of CO2 produced by volcanos, decaying plankton and vegetation.
As extremists on the right stole agenda of republican party
so extremists on the left trying to do the same thing
to democratic party.
Do not be surprised if We will get another Bush in
next elections

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False. False. False.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 12, 2007 8:48 AM   
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These days, everyone thinks that carbon trading is the solution to our climate crisis.

False, and patently so. I harbor no notion that contriving an artificial quota system for the benefit of the environmentalism industry will effect the temperature of the Earth.

First, you'd have to have some idea of what proportion of temperature increase or decrease could be attributed to the expanded use of carbon fuel sources. In fact, getting some empirical sense of what impact human activities have on the climate would be an excellent place to start to get an idea of what to do about it.

The author, I believe, needs a little dose of compassion with regard to this tidbit:

To provide a price signal for the market and to raise money for ameliorative investments and other public purposes (e.g., compensating low income households for price increases), impose a significant and increasing carbon tax.

Nice code. Actually, once decoded, that's a small step forward from just starving the old bat if grandma won't turn her furnace off in the winter, but impoverishing people and then offering them "offsets" is equally ludicrous. Not quite as mean and nasty, still ludicrous.

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Poor analysis, journalism not economics
Posted by: jinbman on Mar 12, 2007 8:48 AM   
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As an ecological economist, I agree that this article does indeed miss the mark entirely. The author may be a great journalist, but it is not evident that Mr. Morris has the expertise for the economic analysis that was allegedly done to support the conclusions. I am struck by the comment that cap-and-trade system "costs outweigh its benefits" and would be very interested to see this cost-benefit analysis in detail. From my own research and training, the combined social cost and cost of abatement would indeed give carbon trading a higher combined net benefit than a regulatory limit (i.e. just a cap), at least in theory, and it is a bit early for definitive judgments.

If Mr. Morris reads these comments, could you please supply the data and analysis that led you to your very specific conclusions about the supposed inefficiencies of carbon trading?

James Pittman
jpittman@prescott.edu

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Global canard
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Mar 12, 2007 9:01 AM   
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I find it most amusing that anyone would buy into this carbon offset canard. Its like the days when the Catholic Church used to sell indulgences. It generates money and a false sense of satisfaction for the global warming kooks. Look at the guru of GW....ALGORE. This man makes a deceiving movie with selective pictures and facts and tries to promote the imminent demise of planet Earth. Its more science fiction than fact. He flies all over the planet giving lectures and burning far more fossil fuels than any 10 men and he uses more gas and electric in one month than most families use in a year. A liar, deceiver and hypocrit. He buys carbon offsets though......from a company he has partial ownership of. ALGORE and Global Warming are a fraud. There must be some smart liberals out there who don't buy into this crap.....not many I suspect.....but some.

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» RE: Global canard Posted by: particle
Global warming is an apolitical issue...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 12, 2007 10:40 AM   
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It's just that Republicans tend to get more funding from the fossil fuel lobby than do Democrats, so they tend to be in the denialist camp, for the very simple reason that they work for their sponsors. Who are the main beneficiaries of the oil war in Iraq, for example? Exxon, Chevron, Shell, Halliburton and BP, and their shareholders - Barclays UK, Fidelity, State Street, Vanguard, etc. These are the same corporate sectors that don't want to see action taken on global warming.

The details are worth looking into. When the American Petroleum Institute gives $100 million to Edelman public relations to 'clean up' Big Oil's image, you can be sure part of that goes into a PR effort aimed at discrediting climate science and attacking renewable energy. For example, see http://www.potomacflacks.com /pf/2006/12/oil_industrys_1.html:

With congressional Dems looking to take on the oil industry next year, the industry's lead trade group, the American Petroleum Institute, is planning a $100 million PR "image and education effort," National Journal reports.

The campaign, "much of which will be coordinated by the PR firm Edelman, will include expensive television, radio, and print ads, tours of oil patch facilities for lawmakers and opinion elites, and financial contributions to sympathetic think tanks and industry-friendly organizations." The API is asking other like-minded groups to ante up for the multiyear effort.


Also see The PR Plot to Overheat the Earth, by Bob Burton and Sheldon Rampton

In October 1997, however, Clinton announced that realistic targets and timetables for cutting greenhouse gas emissions should be put off for 20 years, prompting the London Guardian to editorialize that "champagne corks are popping in the boardrooms of BP, Shell, Esso, Mobil, Ford, General Motors, and the coal, steel and aluminum corporations of the US, Australia and Europe. . . . In a stunning example of raw backroom power and political manipulation, the 'death-row' industries showed who rules the economic world by effectively killing any hope of combating global warming at the Kyoto climate conference. The new limits are so weak that two years of hard work by 150 countries towards reaching an agreement in December are now irrelevant."

That was back in 1997 - since then, there's been a massive expansion of coal-fired power under the guiding hand of both Democrats and Republicans, neither of which care to take on their wealthiest donors. The main culprit is also the company that posted the world's record profits this past year: ExxonMobil and the War on Science.

Edelman has over 40 bloggers working full-time for them, posting comments on Internet sites...like Alternet. Look up at the comments - and guess who's who.

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» Excellent Point! Posted by: Douglas
» Douglas, how bad would I be if Posted by: WhatNow?
You're 2/3 Right
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 12, 2007 4:02 PM   
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Carbon trading cannot work, for the reasons you give; so, thanks for the analysis. You get 1/3 point. Thanks also for your carbon replacement suggestions. You get another 1/3 point. However, you're only 2/3 correct. Carbon reduction may or may not have anything to do with stabilizing the climate system. We do NOT have any way of predicting what will happen to the climate because we do NOT know the causes of the climate; all climate models are at best guesses based on incomplete data and exclusions.

And if we look at the history of climate changes over the last 100,000 years, including the 10,000 year of the current inter-glacial period, we find hat there have been multiple abrupt swings toward cooling and warming where the cooling or warming far exceed current IPCC predictions--and ALL were unpredictable. Unpredictabilty means without known or forseeable causality.

So, instead of taking a mitigationist stand aganst climate change, the best we can do is adapt as the changes occur. Maybe next year we'll find out that we need MORE carbon in the air rather than less, to offset a cooling trend.

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The real solutions to global warming induced climate change:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 12, 2007 4:22 PM   
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1) solar photovoltaics for electricity generation

2) wind turbines for electricity generation

3) sustainable, fossil-fuel free agricultural systems for food and biofuel production

4) a complete ban on the use of coal, and a more graudal transition away from oil and natural gas

5) energy storage systems for intermittent wind/solar power sources (hydrogen generation? better batteries?)

6) energy efficient technology, from hybrids to CFLs to electric cars and bicycles

7) admitting that there is a problem (living in denial has to stop)

Even if you go live in a cave in the wilderness and subsist on roots and berries, that'll do nothing to stop the problem. Even if the US cleans up, while China and India burn coal, the problem will still be there. It will require coordinated global effort... or you can get ready to eat some Soylent Green for dinner. The choice is yours...

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A Revolutionary New Source of Renewable Energy
Posted by: Overtone on Mar 12, 2007 5:06 PM   
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“The world has just 10 years to reverse surging greenhouse gas emissions or risk runaway climate change that could make many parts of the planet uninhabitable.”

There are very few steps that can be taken rapidly enough to realistically sharply reduce the need for fossil fuels in 10 years.

While all can help, none of the conventional renewable power systems, solar, wind, fuel-cells, etc., can possible meet this challenge.

Nuclear power plants take 10 years to begin operation. Clearly, the idea they can contribute to a solution is an illusion.

Only radically new energy conversion systems can do the job. In our opinion, by far the most promising technology is rapid development of Magnetic Power Modules™.

Constructed using solid-state electronic components, they are expected to produce electricity indefinitely, without any need for fuel or recharge. This is accomplished by utilizing an abundant, renewable, little known source of energy that is found everywhere in the universe.

This energy has never previously been utilized in practical products, although it was probably first tapped by Wesley Gary, a Pennsylvania inventor, in 1874. An article in Harper’s, describing his patented mechanical magnetic devices, was published in 1879. The article can be found on the internet.

A generator without moving parts, apparently converting the same source of energy, was invented in Germany by Hans Coler, about 1926. Eleven years later, he demonstrated a more powerful, 6,000 watt, unit. Consequently, he was supported by the German navy. His laboratory was bombed by the Allies toward the end of World War II. In 1946, British Intelligence published a classified Report suggesting his achievement was genuine. In 1979, a portion of that Report was declassified. Thirty four pages can be found on the web.

This remarkable source of energy is sometimes called the Quantum Vacuum. It is also known as Zero Point Energy, or ZPE. Physicist Richard Feynman, a winner of the Nobel Prize, and John Wheeler, a favorite of Einstein’s, calculated there is sufficient ZPE in the volume of a coffee cup to evaporate Earth’s oceans. Physicist Harold Puthoff has said, that if we employed ZPE to power the entire planet, it would be like dipping a thimble into the sea.

The March 1st, 2004 issue of Aviation Week and Space Technology featured an article headlining the fact that Zero Point Energy is no longer science fiction. The Department of Defense admitted it is supporting ZPE research and development at a major aerospace company. BAE, in the U.K., stated they seek to power Mach 4 fighter aircraft, among several other objectives.

Our current development work opens a door to a multitude of practical products. They will operate with no need for fuel, or any plug connection to the grid. Portable appliances, for example laptops, will dispense with batteries.

Modules can be connected together in order to produce larger amounts of power, in a manner analogous to solar cells. Preliminary data suggests a 1 kW (1,000) watt package may be about 6” x 6” x 16” in size. These one kilowatt packages can also be linked to create generators for homes. Distributed Generation of utility grade power can also rapidly be implemented.

Electric cars, such as the recently announced GM VOLT, can dispense with the need for batteries, engines of any kind, fuel cells, or the need to plug-in. All new cars can be redesigned to run on this revolutionary source of energy.

During WWII, the automobile industry shifted to building aircraft on a round the clock basis more rapidly then most would have imagined. Averting a catastrophe due to Global Warming calls for a similar all out effort.

Mark Goldes, Magnetic Power Inc. magneticpower@gmail.com

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» Pie in the Sky Posted by: Sparks56
Your message is quite clear
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Mar 12, 2007 6:14 PM   
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Your country has taken a thoughtful approach, and America should follow your lead. Unfortunately, our legislators like to either impose regulations that are unenforcable (Democrats), or talk the problem to death without touching the root cause (Republicans).

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CO2 swindle
Posted by: sf9rfan on Mar 12, 2007 6:16 PM   
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CO2 is not the biggest contributer to the greenhouse gas effect, H2O (water vapor) is. What are we going to do, prevent the sun from evaporating water from the oceans?
The SUN is the biggest driver of climate change, followed by the heat from the earth's core in volcanic activity.
How do CO2 alarmists explain the medieval warm period from around 850AD to around 1300AD, when the Vikings settled and farmed Greenland, that's when it got it's name. Not a lot of fossil fuel emissions back then. Just a couple of decades ago it was another ice age that we needed to fear, we have just recovered from the mini-ice age that lasted from 1300AD to 1850AD. It would appear that global warming and cooling are pretty much independent of human activity.

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» RE: CO2 swindle Posted by: grolan
Personal Virtue
Posted by: Sparks56 on Mar 12, 2007 6:17 PM   
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Cheney was right; conservation (and selling carbon rights) is a personal virtue that won't change anything very much. Unless and until there is a significant reduction in human population, climate and environmental problems will grow. The only real issue is how that reduction in population will occur. Will we do it ourselves or will nature do it for us?

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» Quite right Posted by: JohnF
Global Warming--Reefer Madness: what's the Connection?
Posted by: SamFox on Mar 12, 2007 8:16 PM   
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Both are rammed down our throats by the same propaganda machine. It's the same game with a different name. Reefer Madness was pitched so successfully by MSM that they use the same tactics with global warming & peak oil. They tell us we need more regulation, which means we need more gov control.

Reefer Madness led us to the phony war on drugs. What is the lie of GW going to lead to? All I know is that when the MSM , Al G & Harry A type puppets start telling us we have some major issue to deal with & they say we need less freedom because the nanny state will take care of us I see nothing but red flags. Let me see- Reefer Madness is a lie. GW is true. But both are brought to you by the SAME BS propaganda machine. Time has proven Reefer Madness to be a Gov spons-herd hoax that has led to years of needless oppression.... Time & truth will do the same for peak oil & GW-hopefully it won't be too late by then. When we ever gonna learn???

You can believe what ever you want. But it's your freedom that is threatened as well as mine. If GW were really real there would be something being done. MSM & Al G's BS can't fix what ain't broke, but they shout the sky is falling so often many think it's true. Who was it that said "tell the same lie often enough..." and sure enough some fools will swallow it whole. Especially when, as in the Reefer Madness days, they trot out 'scientists' who back them up. Funny how they never give equal time to those who disagree...Harry Anslinger wouldn't let researchers who knew the truth about cannabis to speak at Congress's hearings. Nothing has changed. Sheeple still follow the gov control crowd to the kill liberty & freedom slaughter house.

What ever...

SamFox

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Evaluate both sides of the debate
Posted by: brisa on Mar 12, 2007 8:21 PM   
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There are very credible studies by climatologists and others, not on the payroll of oil companies, that strongly suggest that the warming of the planet is due to solar activity. Analysis going back hundreds of years indicates that earth's temperature tracks right along with solar maximums and minimums. CO2 levels do rise with temperature, but there is a lag time, indicating that it is the rise in temperature that causes an increase in CO2 atmospheric concentrations. Gore's movie and book is an over simplification of a complex dynamic written at a grade school level.

These studies, their authors and other interesting information on the UN's IPCC is available for consideration in the UK documentary, "The Great Global Warming Swindle". Including the editing out of cautionary caviats from their final report.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638

Understand that there is no real consensus in the scientific community that a cause and effect relationship exists between increased atmospheric CO2 and an increase in global temperature. The media has once again taken a half truth and made it fact for thier own purposes.

Get the whole story before latching on to a rigid position.

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These trading schemes are all *feel good* solutions
Posted by: johnecolby on Mar 12, 2007 9:04 PM   
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These trading schemes are an abstraction. Simply put, the global warming crisis requires concrete action on a personal and collective scale. Every auto driver should be levied a carbon tax on their gasoline purchases, which could go to a fund for investment in reworking our economic and social infrastructure. In fact all transactions should have a carbon tax.

Every company should be levied a carbon tax on its operations. When producing CO2 has tangible costs now, behaviors will change. The other schemes are a shell game for hiding costs, for evading the consequences of CO2 production.

Without consequences, there will be no change. People and organizations respond to consequences. That's what drives creative, concrete action. Anything less is *feel good* dishonesty to make people feel better while they do nothing.

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Who are these carbon trading schemers trying to kid?!
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 12, 2007 10:14 PM   
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Carbon trading schemes are worse than an abstraction, and they are worse than a distraction; they are, quite frankly, bullsh*t. This idea of "trading pollution credits" just pushes the various locii of pollution around from one place to another, like passengers trading deck chairs on the Titanic. There is no guarantee that money paid to greener companies for their "carbon credits" by companies with absolutely no interest in reducing their own CO2 footprint, will be used by those companies for anything but expansion, and, ultimately, a greater carbon footprint of their own. AND, the fact is that those greener companies will remain at a certain level of green, whether or not they "sell" credits to polluting industries, while those polluting industries will remain so because they can "buy" their way out of responsibility. Net result for the planet? Zero. Absolute pollution levels remain essentially the same in this closed system, while brokers profit by moving virtual "credits" around that amount to little more than marks on paper or files in a computer.

The fact is, we live in a finite ecosystem, and no amount of fanageling, cooking of the books, or fantasyland trading schemes will substitute for real reduction in greenhouse gases by everyone involved. Trading nonreal "credits" from one place to another simply moves the source of pollution from one place to another – in the only place we have: poor little Earth, which is being sickened by the very-same "free market" mentality that created the destructive, greedy, consumer culture, and which now is trying to sell these bogus trading schemes as a way to cover up guilt while producing profits out of thin air (no pun intended...).

"Schemes" are exactly what they are – in every prejorative sense of the word.

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Go Vegan
Posted by: organik on Mar 13, 2007 2:13 AM   
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Easiest solution.

Better for you, better for the planet. Absolute fastest and easiest way to reduce greenhouse gasses, with plenty of residual benefits as well. Even better, go vegan and RAW!

Do the research - you might be surprised. Start with T. Colin Campbell's "China Study". Learn how animal protein causes cancer, or at least feeds cancer growth.

Going vegan is the best decision I ever made (11 years ago). I feel great and keep finding more and more reasons for my decision, environmentalism being a big one.

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» RE: Go Vegan Posted by: cinattra
earthwarrioress
Posted by: earthwarrioress on Mar 13, 2007 4:07 AM   
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NOBODY here is talking about the real cause of the global warming we are seeing now - which is methane ( http://www.earthsave.org/globalwarming.htm ) The information on this website comes from Dr James Hansen, of the NASA Goddard Space Institute who is named "the grandfather of the global warming theory". He is cited by Al Gore and well respected by many environmental organisations including bigwigs on the International panel on Climate Change.

The #1 source of methane is livestock. Methane is 21 times more potent at trapping heat. Another greenhouse gas livestock produce is nitrous oxide. While there is less of it, still it is 310 times more potent than CO2. Animal agriculture produces over 100 types of greenhouse gases some tens of thousands of times more potent than Co2.

Even if we got past the methane and nitrous oxide there are other environmental reasons to stop all animal agriculture in order to save the planet - i.e. deforestation, land clearing, erosion, massive water use (100,000 literes of water to make 1K beef, 900 liters water to make 1 liter milk etc), pollution of rivers, oceans, acid rain, destruction of wildlife .... on and on.

Instead of carbon trading it would be a whole lot more helpful for the planet if we got right to the issue and stopped eating meat and the body fluids of animals.

Al Gore is not talking about methane because he owns ranches ... obviously has no intention of becoming a vegetarian either. What an inconvenient truth that one is!

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» RE: earthwarrioress Posted by: grolan
Now we can buy ourselves out of responsibility and guilt
Posted by: OhioPatriot on Mar 13, 2007 5:59 AM   
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Its amazing, A man gets up in front of people for years and pushes responsibility to ecology and warns of global warming.
He actually succedes in getting through to some.
He writes a movie about it , thats how overwhelming is his belief.

Now when approached about his own lack of responsibility to his cause, he pulls out his "WHAMKO GUILT FREE CARBON CARD" and explains that he has bought the right to leave a bigger than needed carbon footprint.

So now, I suppose jet travel and 20k square foot houses are the entitlement of the elite few who can pay the carbon offset fees on top of the lifestyle.


I suppose given that logic, Gore could Own slaves as well if he just gave enough money to the NAACP.

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» RE: True.. just another way ... Posted by: OhioPatriot
Abuse of Carbon Credit Concept
Posted by: bluestem11 on Mar 13, 2007 6:08 AM   
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It's too easy, it seems, to find places where people are already practicing conservation and set up a program where they can "sell" what they've been doing for years. I am thinking of the Dept of Agriculture set-aside program for farmers to set aside acres for wildlife habitat, etc. and collect a gov't payment for doing so. A fine program, but -- it shouldn't be allowed to collect double by selling carbon credits to big polluters.

See, e.g., http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/ctec/Outreach/Farmers_briefing.htm

Identifying what people are already doing to conserve does nothing to reduce global warming.

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Global Warming as a source for Profit
Posted by: richholland on Mar 13, 2007 7:47 AM   
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In Holland and many European countries we pay for one gallon gasoline US$ 8,89, including Enviroment protection Tax.

Strange enough just like Al Gore the Green Members of Parliament can drive big cars but the average worker has to take a bycicle.

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Gore Backs a Carbon Tax, Not Emissions Trading
Posted by: Robert Walker on Mar 13, 2007 8:04 AM   
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Al Gore has not proposed, as David Morris, suggests that the answer to global warming is an emissions trading program. In a speech delivered last September at the New York University Law School, Gore proposed that taxes on carbon emissions and other pollutants be used to reduce or eliminate payroll taxes.

By imposing a tax on carbon dioxide emissions, policymakers would be changing the signals that guide investors and consumers. A carbon tax--by increasing the price of coal, oil and natural gas--would encourage both conservation and the development of renewable energy sources like wind and solar. As such, it would be a market efficient means of combatting global warming.

The other half of Gore's proposal--a cut in payroll taxes--would ease the impact of the carbon tax on businesses and consumers, while also providing a powerful boost to employment. High payroll taxes discourage employers from hiring and encourage the outsourcing of jobs to lower cost workers overseas. High payroll taxes also discourage marginal workers from working.

By combining the carbon tax with a corresponding cut in payroll taxes, Gore's proposal achieves optimal results. Without a carbon tax, it will be a battle of the subsidies in Congress--with the industries with the best paid lobbyists heavily favored to win.

Gore's proposal is an imminently responsible and effective means of dealing with an urgent problem. David Morris does Gore--and his readers--a disservice by mischaracterizing his proposal.

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Not giving up the milk on my cereal and in my tea
Posted by: cinattra on Mar 13, 2007 8:18 AM   
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No one is going to give up the milk on their cereal or the ribs and briskets on the 4th of July.

You're talking about the elimination of entire industries. Ain't gonna happen.

Everyone on this board knows that if you eliminate cars or eliminate eating animals that you'd save loads and loads of greenhouse gases from entering the atmosphere and you keep loads and loads of pollution from entering the environment.

Repeating those solutions over and over will not make them happen. They are too draconian for most.

If the big methane burp happens tomorrow oh well we had our run as top dogs. Until then let us come up with solutions that might actually have a chance of being implemented and not a solution most will just shrug off as some scare tactic to get people to eat more curry and rice.

I love curry and rice by the way.

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objective
Posted by: objective on Mar 13, 2007 8:30 AM   
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It is EASY for each of us to play an IMPORTANT role in addressing this problem.

Reduce your personal carbon footprint - INITIATE ENERGY SAVING MEASURES IN YOUR DAILY LIFE - NOW.

Almost every day big tough construction workers (et. al.) leave their cars running so the the air conditioner will keep it nice and cool when they get back from their 15 minute chat. Some folks leave old fasioned energy hog light bulbs lights on 7x24 - even as they say they want to see CO2 reduced. Even in these times of "family values," many people would never ever adjust their thermostat to help make a better world for their own children.

In reality WE (i.e. you and I) are making the CO2 problem happen, and WE (i.e. you and I) can help stop it by reducing our personal CO2 emissions by initiating energy conservation measures.

We cannot wait for our "representatives" any longer - they do not answer to us, morality or anything but naked bribery - and We the People do not have that kind of money.

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al gore's carbon trade off
Posted by: pfm on Mar 13, 2007 1:15 PM   
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whatever ........ al gore may not have all the answers or even the right answers however he is at least making suggestions, offering ideas, making comment and asking for input ........ what the hell of the rest of the Democrats or Republicans or any other politician doing .... nothing ........

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Trees are what we need
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 13, 2007 1:38 PM   
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A short study of history of the World for the last 10,000 years will teach us one glarring fact. Humans destroy everything they come into contact with by overuse of the land and resources without replanting what they use.
The Gardens of Mesopotamia were indeed great. But they vanished because the surrounding areas used up their woodlands creating a change in the local weather until enough was taken out that the Gardens died out. Iraq,Iran, India all of the various 'stans' were once very lush. If the People of the day had the foresight to replant as they took those regions would be lush still to this day.
In America we had a Garden Continent. The People that lived here knew how to live in balance with their environment. 99% of the water at the surface could be drank right out of the stream,food could be found all about the forest.Soils could be made productive naturally. They knew the value of clean water,a pure raincloud,the responsibility of all living things to ensure the life of all other living things. Few of us know that,or live it now.
Anyone who thinks Mr. Gore is 'all wet' on this issue of the environment is the same folks that think this planet is here for us to use up and discard like an old kleenex. Personally I think these folks should be the ones we send off to Mars. If they stay here,there will just be more graves to piss on.

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Remember the continuing affects of Chloroflorocarbons (CFC)
Posted by: common intelligence on Mar 14, 2007 10:19 PM   
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I find it insainly obsurd that the mention of the "old" freon gas that use to be used as a refrigerant in air conditioners and refridgerators has been inadvertantly left out of the continuing global warming knowledge bank. But to refresh the dismal understanding of it's growing , never ending expansion in the atmosphere here's a little reminder (unless something has changed).

Because of the nature of how this little CFC compound never stops "eating" ozone out of the upper atmosphere the Ozone hole is ever increasing in size and no technology can stop it that currently exist or can me manufactured. And it still is eating the upper ozone layer letting in more and more ultraviolet radiation.

It's hard to face the inevitable if we are always looking in the popular direction. Bush says with bio fuels we won't have to drive golf carts. So what if we do.?

Slowing down the speed of conspicous consumption is the only way to slow down the demise of the planetary ecological systems. Capitalism is the system to speed up the end. So which sytem do you choose?

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