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IKEA: Who Says Big Retail Can't Be Good for the Environment?
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Last week, IKEA U.S. announced a "bag the plastic bag" initiative: the retailer will charge a nickel for plastic bags to discourage their use, donating all revenue to the nonprofit conservation group American Forests. The store will also let shoppers walk away with one of its iconic reusable blue bags for 59 cents.
Pleasant enough news, but it struck me as somewhat cosmetic. Hadn't I heard that IKEA's commitment to sustainability went much further than this?
A little poking around on the IKEA website uncovered a set of practices that puts every big U.S. retailer to shame. From the wood in its products to the factory conditions of its suppliers to the energy efficiency of its distribution network, IKEA has outlined tough, progressive standards almost unheard of in the U.S. Now it's working to move all its stores to completely renewable energy.
Why not brag about that stuff instead of the bags? I contacted IKEA's head of social and environmental responsibility, Thomas Bergmark, at the company's headquarters in Sweden to find out the details behind this unassuming approach.
Tell me a little bit about this initiative in the U.S. with the plastic bags.
It might be the first campaign where we are more on the offense. The basic strategy not only in U.S. but in all our markets has been to be quiet, low-key. We should first do and then talk. We have from time to time been a bit criticized because we have been too quiet. Different stakeholders have realized that we try hard and we do a lot -- so why don't we talk about it?
We have now for three years issued a yearly social and environmental report on the web. We communicate more in different kinds of media, of course in the catalogue and in IKEA family magazines for our customer club and so forth. This campaign is one step in that direction, to be more aggressive and more transparent in these issues.
How does IKEA view its obligation to the environment?
We have a vision for business that was written more than 30 years ago. It's about creating a better everyday life for the people. Today, it's obvious to care about the people you have to care about the environment.
The starting point for our sustainability is the people and the culture. We have a very strong company culture. One of the cornerstones since IKEA was founded more than 60 years ago is to care about resources -- we are clever with resources.
For the first 20 years, this was only about turning and twisting the materials to utilize them in the best possible way, to save on material and thereby save on costs. But today we know it's a perfect win-win also for the environment. You save on the resources, you save on the environment. That has evolved over the decades.
Then of course there is the core business side as well. We are more than aware of that. We have to take responsibility for these issues if customers are to trust us today and in the future. We are convinced that if we work hard on sustainability and make progress, it will build trust in our consumers and with the IKEA brand. The culture issues and the business issues meet with the brand and the IKEA logo.
Has IKEA tried to make its stores green?
We're focusing more and more on that. First of all, we are setting up an IKEA standard, which includes the different steps in establishing a store. The first step is to look into a site, the land and such, to make sure we are not stepping into any sensitive areas that should be protected for biodiversity or other reasons. We consider the building materials we use when building new stores. Now we also consider environmental issues.
Then, of course, it's about operations -- energy, water issues related to the stores. We do a really good job on waste sorting and recycling compared to many other retailers. Then there's the maintenance of the stores. And at the end of the day, it's the products we put in the stores.
What we recently started up on an international level is an extra focus on energy. We have set a long-term direction to supply all IKEA buildings with renewable energy, which means electricity and heating. We're also working on energy efficiency, to get 25 percent more energy efficient.
Will the renewable energy goal be met by buying offsets, or is there going to be on-site generation as well?
The basic idea is to, as far as possible, produce the energy ourselves, at the sites, with solar, wind, biomass, and geothermal heating/cooling. For new stores, we are looking to build it in. Then for all existing stores, we have to do analysis on the different options of retrofit. Some units might be tricky, and we'll have to see how to compensate that with carbon credits, or maybe by producing energy at another place and putting it back into the grid -- maybe creating a balance like that.
Do you have a specific deadline or target to get to completely renewable energy?
We have set the first step for 2009, where we're going to reach 60 percent renewable energy and 15 percent more energy efficient. Then, based on analysis we are doing right now, we will set the end goals, hopefully during this calendar year.
One traditional environmental objection to big-box chain stores is that shipping goods from all over the world is incredibly energy intensive. Is that on IKEA's radar?
Yes, for sure. Distribution is one of the focus areas for IKEA, and has been for quite a few years. What we have done for more than 50 years, which we benefit from still, is the flat pack. We save volume, which is simple but important because it makes a big, big difference in transport work. We've had a [producers] code of conduct for more than six years now, about social, environmental, and working conditions. And we have a similar code of conduct now for our transport carriers -- one and a half years ago we put requirements in these fields.
Transport is a challenging area. I have to admit, it's one of the tougher ones to change, because it is a traditional business, where you don't see too many groundbreaking solutions. What is coming now is more biofuels, and we are supporting that -- hopefully we can use more and more biofuels for trucks, especially in the near future.
What about trying to source from local or regional suppliers?
Yes, for sure. One reason for having a trading organization in America is to supply North American stores. Our stores in America are still depending on imports from Europe and Asia, no question about that. But as the market grows and we build more stores, we'll also increase the possibilities for local sourcing and thereby reduce the shipping [impacts].
Have you encountered resistance from suppliers, or have you found that they're eager to work with you when you put these kind of social and environmental restrictions on how they operate?
It differs. You can say suppliers in Europe and the Americas are generally more positive. If we speak about Asia, it differs a lot. Some suppliers, they buy the concept right away. Others are very ... I would say not resistant but questioning -- why should we do this? It is a big job to convince them to start the process.
Some of these suppliers after a while think, no, it's too much, so they'll say, we are leaving IKEA. We have to live with that. Other suppliers, they go through a different journey. They explain it like this to me, that when they first got the requirements, they thought it was a lot, but since they had a good experience with IKEA for many years, they thought, these guys from IKEA, they're clever, so we'll give it a try. Then they get going.
I have a couple of cases of suppliers I have met in Asia that tell me, "You know what happened next? I got a couple of new potential customers visiting my factory the other week, and they asked about code of conduct issues and environmental and working conditions. And I could show them what I have been doing so far together with IKEA. And I got new business."
It boils down to what it has to be about at the end of the day: business. It has to be about improving conditions in the factories, for people and the environment, and at the end of the day also improving the productivity and competitiveness of the suppliers.
Are you going to try to ramp up communications and PR around environmental issues?
Yeah, communications and information. We're definitely not the company that wants to ring the big bell and do a lot of heavy marketing. Actions like the blue bag campaign, now, that's fine, but you will not see campaigns on billboards. We will make information about our sustainability efforts more easily available to different stakeholders, including the customers in our stores. That we are working on -- to be more transparent, to be more visible in these issues. It's expected from our customers.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 1, 2007 6:36 AM
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Anyone who is honestly looking at the environmental impacts of consumerism and the industrialism that underwrites it. It is FAR more complex than just having a "green" store and "green" products.
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Posted by: fifthworld on Mar 1, 2007 8:01 AM
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A couple thoughts though: one, I don't Ikea products are too hot: a friend's bed started splitting out along the rails where those wood pegs insert into pressboard. Pretty lame. Though I guess other stuff is good quality and especially the prices are good.
Second, why does the Ikea official feel conflicted about not being more outspoken on their best practices? Putting out a report is fine, especially to show up the other huge retailers here (!) but it sounds like these "stakeholders" can't be happy with great success that comes from simply doing the right things and growing word-of-mouth etc. rather than by hyper-marketing.
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» yet if a big store must exist let it be the best it can be.
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» Tis true
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Posted by: eddie torres on Mar 1, 2007 9:35 AM
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How does anyone know that IKEA is operating in a "green" fashion, aside from company PR? Should IKEA be allowed to set their own timetable, standards, and definitions of "green" behavior?
How does anyone know that Exxon-Mobil is operating responsibly in Alaska despite causing the state's largest oil-spill-related environmental disaster?
GOVERNMENT-IMPOSED TRANSPARENCY. INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM.
Shine the light of day on corporations and wealthy families and they tend to change their behavior. Destroy independent journalism and independent public servants and countries get looted.
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» RE: Transparency first
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» RE: Transparency first
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» You don't need either; it's easy to do without
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» OH COM'ON
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 1, 2007 10:03 AM
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Yes, biodegradable plastic does exist. It's time to shut up and realize that the current typical plastics are just as responsible for our dependence on PETROLEUM. Hemp, on the other hand, would relieve America of its dependence and put real and well-paying jobs instead of the current rise in unemployment/underemployment and wars for oil.
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» And, of course...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Let's be honest. PLOWING HEMP is not that hard to get going compared to DRILLING FOR OIL.
Posted by: maxpayne
» PLOWING HEMP is EASIER if you HIRE PRISON LABOR
Posted by: eddie torres
» So is OIL DRILLING.
Posted by: maxpayne
» True.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: True.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: True.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: True.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: True.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» DING DING DING ! JoshuaLudd supports BIG OIL/COAL/NUCLEAR and the Fake Left but hey WTF ?
Posted by: maxpayne
» Man, you have no clue what the hell you are even talking about.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JL, you're in self-denial mode and need to get a life but hey, go ahead and stay your looney course.
Posted by: maxpayne
» So, of course.. nothing to back up your rantings.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» In the meantime, does JoshuaLudd want to explain his solutions or keep trolling?
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» Well, Jason...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» You never stated YOUR solutions clearly. Try doing it here for a change.
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» RE: You never stated YOUR solutions clearly. Try doing it here for a change.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» The Luddites questioned the usage and costs of technology but they never said abolish it all.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: The Luddites questioned the usage and costs of technology but they never said abolish it all.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JoshuaLudd is a TROLL. Ignore him.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: JoshuaLudd is a TROLL. Ignore him.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Hemp growing
Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Then we must DEFEAT bastardized consumerism and reward CONSERVATION instead of making us feel guilty
Posted by: maxpayne
» Guilt comes from responsibility, and frankly it has been lack of responsibility...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» You sound like you are accepting the rightwing idea of preaching responsibility but never rewarding
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: You sound like you are accepting the rightwing idea of preaching responsibility but never rewarding
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JoshuaLudd believes in rightwing bullshit of preaching and not practicing. RIGHTWING LUNATIC.
Posted by: maxpayne
» Wow, you are angry and messed up. God forbid anyone disagree with you.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» I see that you're finally realizing that you're messed up and that I am correct. Still, you act like
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: I see that you're finally realizing that you're messed up and that I am correct. Still, you act like
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» And what does any of this have to do with the topic of this post?
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» Care to mind your own damned business? nm
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» People are free to post. If you don't like it, don't post. You got a problem with that?
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» you need serious mental counseling, son.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JoshuaLudd = RIGHTWING TROLL
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» RE: JoshuaLudd = RIGHTWING TROLL
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» Wow--conserve your energies.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 1, 2007 1:36 PM
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» AND WE'RE SURE YOU CAN CREATE BETTER
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Posted by: jessicawakeman on Mar 2, 2007 10:37 AM
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Ha!
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» Ahem...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Harrumph..........
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» RE: Harrumph..........
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JoshuaLudd: STFU and let selling out stay its course.
Posted by: maxpayne
» You really are a nutter, aren't you.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» I guess I'm nuttier for pointing out your hypocrisy
Posted by: maxpayne
» What hypocrisy?
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Apparently JL never reads the posts but rambles IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT like a FULLTIME LOSER.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Apparently JL never reads the posts but rambles IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT like a FULLTIME LOSER.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Inconvenience vs. reformed convenience.
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» Oh, so NOW you understand me?
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» I could care less about you personally but I enjoyed using you as a perfect example of
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» RE: I could care less about you personally but I enjoyed using you as a perfect example of
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» The Proof Josh....
Posted by: gellero
» RE: The Proof Josh....
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» The Proof that Josh is a hypocrite comes from his own TROLL posting SPEWS
Posted by: maxpayne
» Where is the proof???
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Deviant convience.
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Posted by: lesnyulak on Mar 12, 2007 9:41 PM
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...and I find it amusing that this big box could be adorned the enviromentally responsible title, when they encourage people to discard their "outdated" lamps and furnishings in favour of substandard, landfill swelling partical board effigies of supposed good (modern) taste.
Let's call a spade a spade - big corporate is bad... NOTHING is going to change that. The very idea that no one person makes the tough moral decisions leads to wasteful practices and cost-cutting maneuvers which are inevitably bad for the planet. A return to small-scale is the ONLY hope for this planet.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 1, 2007 6:36 AM
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Anyone who is honestly looking at the environmental impacts of consumerism and the industrialism that underwrites it. It is FAR more complex than just having a "green" store and "green" products.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Who says?
Posted by: LarryGroff
» Yes... lets be real.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» War.
Posted by: ssmit355
» RE: smoke screen
Posted by: sasquuatch55
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Posted by: fifthworld on Mar 1, 2007 8:01 AM
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A couple thoughts though: one, I don't Ikea products are too hot: a friend's bed started splitting out along the rails where those wood pegs insert into pressboard. Pretty lame. Though I guess other stuff is good quality and especially the prices are good.
Second, why does the Ikea official feel conflicted about not being more outspoken on their best practices? Putting out a report is fine, especially to show up the other huge retailers here (!) but it sounds like these "stakeholders" can't be happy with great success that comes from simply doing the right things and growing word-of-mouth etc. rather than by hyper-marketing.
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» yet if a big store must exist let it be the best it can be.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Tis true
Posted by: fifthworld
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Posted by: eddie torres on Mar 1, 2007 9:35 AM
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How does anyone know that IKEA is operating in a "green" fashion, aside from company PR? Should IKEA be allowed to set their own timetable, standards, and definitions of "green" behavior?
How does anyone know that Exxon-Mobil is operating responsibly in Alaska despite causing the state's largest oil-spill-related environmental disaster?
GOVERNMENT-IMPOSED TRANSPARENCY. INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM.
Shine the light of day on corporations and wealthy families and they tend to change their behavior. Destroy independent journalism and independent public servants and countries get looted.
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» RE: Transparency first
Posted by: timebomb734
» RE: Transparency first
Posted by: eddie torres
» RE: Transparency first
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Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Mar 1, 2007 9:55 AM
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» RE: Paper or Plastic bags? Which is better
Posted by: Raj
» You don't need either; it's easy to do without
Posted by: Beck
» OH COM'ON
Posted by: gellero
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 1, 2007 10:03 AM
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Yes, biodegradable plastic does exist. It's time to shut up and realize that the current typical plastics are just as responsible for our dependence on PETROLEUM. Hemp, on the other hand, would relieve America of its dependence and put real and well-paying jobs instead of the current rise in unemployment/underemployment and wars for oil.
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» And, of course...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Let's be honest. PLOWING HEMP is not that hard to get going compared to DRILLING FOR OIL.
Posted by: maxpayne
» PLOWING HEMP is EASIER if you HIRE PRISON LABOR
Posted by: eddie torres
» So is OIL DRILLING.
Posted by: maxpayne
» True.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: True.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: True.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: True.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: True.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» DING DING DING ! JoshuaLudd supports BIG OIL/COAL/NUCLEAR and the Fake Left but hey WTF ?
Posted by: maxpayne
» Man, you have no clue what the hell you are even talking about.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JL, you're in self-denial mode and need to get a life but hey, go ahead and stay your looney course.
Posted by: maxpayne
» So, of course.. nothing to back up your rantings.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» In the meantime, does JoshuaLudd want to explain his solutions or keep trolling?
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» Well, Jason...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» You never stated YOUR solutions clearly. Try doing it here for a change.
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» RE: You never stated YOUR solutions clearly. Try doing it here for a change.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» The Luddites questioned the usage and costs of technology but they never said abolish it all.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: The Luddites questioned the usage and costs of technology but they never said abolish it all.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JoshuaLudd is a TROLL. Ignore him.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: JoshuaLudd is a TROLL. Ignore him.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Hemp growing
Posted by: sasquuatch55
» Then we must DEFEAT bastardized consumerism and reward CONSERVATION instead of making us feel guilty
Posted by: maxpayne
» Guilt comes from responsibility, and frankly it has been lack of responsibility...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» You sound like you are accepting the rightwing idea of preaching responsibility but never rewarding
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: You sound like you are accepting the rightwing idea of preaching responsibility but never rewarding
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JoshuaLudd believes in rightwing bullshit of preaching and not practicing. RIGHTWING LUNATIC.
Posted by: maxpayne
» Wow, you are angry and messed up. God forbid anyone disagree with you.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» I see that you're finally realizing that you're messed up and that I am correct. Still, you act like
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: I see that you're finally realizing that you're messed up and that I am correct. Still, you act like
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» And what does any of this have to do with the topic of this post?
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» Care to mind your own damned business? nm
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» People are free to post. If you don't like it, don't post. You got a problem with that?
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» you need serious mental counseling, son.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JoshuaLudd = RIGHTWING TROLL
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: JoshuaLudd = RIGHTWING TROLL
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Wow--conserve your energies.
Posted by: ssmit355
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 1, 2007 1:36 PM
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» AND WE'RE SURE YOU CAN CREATE BETTER
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» NEO COLONIALIST
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Posted by: jessicawakeman on Mar 2, 2007 10:37 AM
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Ha!
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» Ahem...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Harrumph..........
Posted by: gellero
» RE: Harrumph..........
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» JoshuaLudd: STFU and let selling out stay its course.
Posted by: maxpayne
» You really are a nutter, aren't you.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» I guess I'm nuttier for pointing out your hypocrisy
Posted by: maxpayne
» What hypocrisy?
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Apparently JL never reads the posts but rambles IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT like a FULLTIME LOSER.
Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Apparently JL never reads the posts but rambles IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT like a FULLTIME LOSER.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Inconvenience vs. reformed convenience.
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» Oh, so NOW you understand me?
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» I could care less about you personally but I enjoyed using you as a perfect example of
Posted by: Jason Jordan
» RE: I could care less about you personally but I enjoyed using you as a perfect example of
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» The Proof Josh....
Posted by: gellero
» RE: The Proof Josh....
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» The Proof that Josh is a hypocrite comes from his own TROLL posting SPEWS
Posted by: maxpayne
» Where is the proof???
Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Deviant convience.
Posted by: ssmit355
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Posted by: Jason Jordan on Mar 4, 2007 3:50 PM
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Posted by: lesnyulak on Mar 12, 2007 9:41 PM
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...and I find it amusing that this big box could be adorned the enviromentally responsible title, when they encourage people to discard their "outdated" lamps and furnishings in favour of substandard, landfill swelling partical board effigies of supposed good (modern) taste.
Let's call a spade a spade - big corporate is bad... NOTHING is going to change that. The very idea that no one person makes the tough moral decisions leads to wasteful practices and cost-cutting maneuvers which are inevitably bad for the planet. A return to small-scale is the ONLY hope for this planet.
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