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Green Roofs: Building for the Future
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"This technology offers us an opportunity to significantly improve not only the way our buildings operate, but to utilize wasted spaces -- there are millions of square miles," says Steven Peck, founder and president of Green Roofs for Healthy Cities, an organization established to increase awareness of green roof benefits. GRHC also hopes to advance the market in North America. "The roofing industry is just at the beginning of a process of transformation. Nothing can match the range of social, economic and environmental benefits green roofs provide."
As the name implies, green roofs are roofs made of plants. They're comprised of a waterproof membrane followed by a root barrier, a drainage layer and finally the growing medium and a variety of plants, grasses, sedums, cactus or shrubs -- hence, the green. The technology, of course, isn't entirely new. For millennia, the natives of Scandinavia and Iceland, particularly barren environments with limited building materials, used sod on their roofs as insulation; in Tanzania, mud huts with grass roofs are common; and closer to home, many early settlers used sod to insulate their walls and prairie grass to cover their roofs.
Green roofs today
In more recent years, Germany spearheaded the modern movement back to grassy rooftops, but this time with an urban twist. During the 1970s, the densely populated country began installing green roofs to prevent storm water from surging into its aging sewer systems, and the industry has since boomed, experiencing rapid and sustained growth. Today, roughly 14 percent of the country's total roofs are greened, the industry continues to grow 10 percent per year and some German cities actually levy a "rain tax" on nongreened asphalt rooftops.
Germany's pioneering work has encouraged other countries such as Australia, Japan, Mexico, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and Switzerland to actively embrace the concept. But there's more to the mounting buzz than sheer novelty. In an era when global warming, catastrophic weather patterns, flooding, sustainability issues, and man's very tangible impact on the planet's health grab daily headlines, green roofing offers positive solutions.
"If you pick up a newspaper every day, sometimes you don't want to lift your head out of bed. Good news doesn't always make the news. But green roofs -- it's encouraging stuff," says Ed Snodgrass, a horticultural consultant who owns and operates Emory Knoll Farms, a nursery specializing in green roof plants. Snodgrass recently covered the Library of Congress' 100,000-square-foot top. "In the cities there's not much opportunity to do things down below, so now we're trying to do it up above!"
Why it works
The benefits of green roofs are extensive. The primary advantage, and what initially spurred German research, is that it helps mitigate storm water runoff, a problem that costs millions every year. In cities, with thousands of square meters of solid, impermeable asphalt and concrete surfaces, when it rains, it literally pours -- straight into drainage pipes, which then empty into the sewage system. Too much water too fast, the system can explode, leaking raw sewage.
But green roofs retain or absorb rainwater much like a sponge, slowing its flow, and according to Brad Rowe, associate professor of horticulture at Michigan State University, which boasts its own green roof research program, retain between 60 and 100 percent of rainfall, depending on its intensity and duration. "Sixty percent is a surprising average. The normal roof might hold only five percent," he says.
MSU's research project was initiated to help grass up Ford Motor Co.'s Dearborn, Mich., assembly plant, a 10.4-acre project that took nearly two years to complete. Then it kept going. "When we first started doing this, no one had a clue what we were doing, but now that's changed. I think people are learning that when you're building a building, it doesn't have to have a roof that's inert or not alive. Why not try to replace it with the plant life that was there, your ecological footprint as you look down on it?" says Rowe.
Another benefit green roofs offer is they combat "urban heat island effect," a phenomenon that essentially means that cities are hotter -- by roughly 10 degrees Fahrenheit -- than their surroundings.
"Modern architecture is essentially closed blocks of concrete and glass. Heating and cooling these structures is done with high energy output and considering limited oil reserves and rising energy costs, this is a highly negative effect," says Dr. Manfred Köhler, spokesperson for the Berlin-based World Green Roof Infrastructure Network, and also professor for landscape ecology at Neubrandenberg University of Applied Sciences. Köhler studied urban vegetation under Dr. Reinhard Bornkamm, whose scientific research kick-started the green roof movement in Berlin in the 1970s.
Because city surfaces absorb, rather than reflect the sun's heat, surface temperatures quickly rise. Green roofs, however, make a noticeable impact on a building's heat and gain loss. During the summer, for example, the temperature of a gravel roof can increase by as much as 77 degrees Fahrenheit, fluctuating between 140 and 176 degrees Fahrenheit. But covered with grass, the roof temperature doesn't rise above 77 degrees Fahrenheit. Not only do they absorb less heat, green roofs also help cool their surroundings, suck up airborne toxins and put oxygen back into the air.
In places like Los Angeles, which costs about $100 million per year to cool, "a one-degree reduction in the urban heat island effect translates into a four percent reduction in peak load -- that's a huge amount," says Peck, of Green Roof for Healthy Cities. Since Chicago installed a 20,000-square-foot green roof atop its city hall in 2001, the city has saved about $25,000 in energy costs. Its Mayor Richard Daley has taken a proactive stance and 2.5 million square feet of roofs have gone, or are in the process of going, green since he took office.
As cities continue to expand, there's increasing concern whether their additional warmth will further impact global temperatures. The disastrous 2003 summer heat wave that lead to 35,000 deaths in Europe has shown how global climate change adversely impacts health. While scientists debate what exact influence cities have on climate change, one thing is for certain, urban heat islands effect city dwellers -- nearly half of the word's population.
In addition to mitigating water runoff and heat, green roofs boast a plethora of gains, the first being economic. Because they are protected from ultraviolet radiation and the extreme fluctuations in temperature that cause roof membranes to deteriorate, green roofs offer longer roof life -- they can last up to 40 years -- and lower roof maintenance. They beautify bare concrete stretches, are able to grow food, attract wildlife and provide habitat in areas with fewer resources; they provide business opportunities for nurseries, landscape contractors and irrigation specialists, and also offer substantial noise insulation, which is why Amsterdam and Zurich use it at their airports.
"In my opinion, green roofs offer so many benefits -- they reduce energy consumption, create greater biodiversity and help mitigate the effect of urban land use. For a few additional costs, they bring greater long-term economic benefits, as well as a hugely better environment in the city center," says Kohler.
Building for the future
Increasingly, America is coming on board with this technology. Since Chicago set the precedent, other city halls across the country are now greening up, and Harvard, Carnegie-Melon, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, University of Georgia, North Carolina-Chapel Hill, Pennsylvania State and Michigan State all have green rooftops on at least one of their buildings.
"Early on in this industry, we've seen more institutional clients, such as universities and the government, try to set the standard. Now we're seeing more commercial development and finally, we'll see residential," says Snodgrass, who says his business has seen "100 percent growth" since he started eight years ago. "It's very encouraging."
But there is a major if predictable snag when it comes to greening residential roofs: costs. An intensive green roof costs from $15 to $25 per square foot, so naturally the larger the installation, the cheaper the costs per square meter. As materials such as the root barrier membrane are only available through specialized contractors, and many roofs require structural repairs as well as local zoning permits, the technology is far from being a do-it-yourself project.
"Unfortunately, the financial side isn't completely there yet," says University of Michigan's Rowe. "A green roof costs about twice as much as a conventional roof -- and that takes a few years to pay off -- so in the short term, it's expensive, though in the long term, the energy savings far outweigh the original investment."
As it currently stands in America, there are roughly a dozen green roof installation companies -- many subsidiaries of German green roof companies -- although new ones are popping up all the time. While only a handful of federal energy financing programs offer financial incentives for those interested in installing green roofs, cities like Portland and Chicago have established community grant programs and tax incentives, and even Home Depot has earmarked sustainability funds. A full list can be found on the City of Chicago's Department of Planning and Development website.
If present trends continue, other major cities will likely develop similar incentives because the technology has proven, at least in Germany, to be a long-range investment with multiple benefits. "In the United States, the Green Building Council oversees an annual convention and this year there were around 14,000 attendees. Six or seven years ago, it was in the hundreds," says Snodgrass, certain that the industry will continue to grow.
If anything, those in the field believe we're now entering a new, exciting phase in the construction industry. "What we really have to embrace is that a new building has a net positive impact over its life expectancy and contributes to sustainability. Not just something less damaging, but a restorative building that actually generates power and replaces its footprint on the land with more greenery," says Peck, who has a background in public policy research and is currently compiling a comprehensive "green roof of knowledge" database tracking its development across regions.
"We need to turn the industry in this direction. Otherwise, it will draw down the resources of the planet -- and every time a new building is built, it'll just be another nail in the coffin," he says. But he remains optimistic that the tide's turning. "If we can do this collectively, in one generation or 25 years, this will become a force for sustainability."
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 6, 2007 7:01 AM
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I've got a better idea... tear down the cities, break up the concrete and the asphalt.. and let nature and the wild reconquer those spaces.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 6, 2007 8:33 AM
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Another benefit of plants in cities is that they soak up a lot of the pollution, and put out clean air - but if our cities weren't full of polluting diesel buses and trucks, but instead had clean electric transport systems, there'd be far less pollution to deal with.
There's no shortage of technological innovations - there is just an overabundance of greed that is preventing these innovations from being implemented.
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Posted by: Praxis on Mar 6, 2007 11:44 AM
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In my hobbit fantasies clusters of unobtrusive banked houses could be built in a radial pattern around a common area with a garden, playground, dog area, social center, pool, while most of the neighborhood is allowed to be in a managed "natural" state (i.e., native plants encouraged, invasive exotics and problematic natives like poison oak or thistles culled). These clusters of housing could in turn be planned around a hub of schools, offices (underground, of course), shopping, cultural centers and parks (actually, the whole community would be a big park, with no fences, but plenty of sculpture and fountains). A network of underground electric carts could provide transportion to and from centers and public transit centers (and underground garages for folks vehicles, vessels, etc.)
Or maybe I should just lay ease up on the peyote enemas?
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Posted by: dayahka on Mar 6, 2007 1:24 PM
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This idea is good not only for the reasons mentioned, but also because it could advance the idea of sustainable urban agriculture, with cities growing their own food instead of importing it from the outside.
Hey, who said you can't teach old dogs (or decaying cultures) new tricks?
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There are numerous green roof types that don't need 'lawncare'. Of course, actually reading and recognizing facts would not give you your chance to drop your excretory rhetoric and scurry off.
You're doing well, what with both "fudgepacker" and "beaner" in the same day. You well may deserve the Total Ass of the Week, and it's only Tuesday.
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Also, what would you do if you live in drought-prone areas? Not all cities receive enough rainfall to sustain green roofs without them being watered manually, and in many of those cities (such as Sydney, Australia), such watering is generally not permitted due to restrictions on water use.
Perhaps green roofing could be used in areas with plentiful rainfall with (perhaps) lower amounts of sunlight, while cities in countries (such as Australia) that are drought-prone with an excess of sunshine could resort to solar panels. At least the choices are emerging!
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Posted by: freethinker on Mar 6, 2007 6:24 PM
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If you plant species that are native to the area, the maintenance is not a real problem. Sedum species can tolerate drought conditions with very little pruning, and in moderately wet conditions, again, the rain takes care of the watering other kinds of species without any extra "drain" on the public water supply. The idea of the green roof is not to use more of one resource to reduce another. However, if you would rather use the roof runoff water to irrigate your ground landscaping, obviously don't use a green roof.
In terms of the concerns with roots and water leaking into the roof- the plants do not really grow "on" the roof. Most green roof systems use some kind of modular tray or grid system that is more or less contained and removable for maintenance. This system is then placed on the typical waterproof roof system which is protected against the elements. Check out www.greengridroofs.com as an example of a well-known system.
As much as many of us would like to see our natural environment replace the built one, it is an unlikely scenario anytime soon- but if we do succumb to society's drive to increase density to the nth degree, at least we can try to give back a little to remember what we have replaced. There are many other ways we can go green- the roof is one of many.
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When being green raises heat
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 7, 2007 4:50 PM
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And, no, you can't use derrogatory homophobic and racist remarks here very easily. Get used to it.
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The actual size of the EuroSlate inter-locking roofing panels are 36” wide x 25” tall with an exposed coverage area of 34 ¾” wide x 12 ¼” tall per panel. The actual size of the EuroShake inter-locking roofing panels are 36 ¼” wide x 22 ¾” tall, with an exposed coverage area of 36 ¼” x 10”. Compared to traditional roofing products, these interlocking tiles make installation extremely efficient, cutting down on labor costs.
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I've got a better idea... tear down the cities, break up the concrete and the asphalt.. and let nature and the wild reconquer those spaces.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 6, 2007 8:33 AM
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Another benefit of plants in cities is that they soak up a lot of the pollution, and put out clean air - but if our cities weren't full of polluting diesel buses and trucks, but instead had clean electric transport systems, there'd be far less pollution to deal with.
There's no shortage of technological innovations - there is just an overabundance of greed that is preventing these innovations from being implemented.
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Posted by: Praxis on Mar 6, 2007 11:44 AM
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In my hobbit fantasies clusters of unobtrusive banked houses could be built in a radial pattern around a common area with a garden, playground, dog area, social center, pool, while most of the neighborhood is allowed to be in a managed "natural" state (i.e., native plants encouraged, invasive exotics and problematic natives like poison oak or thistles culled). These clusters of housing could in turn be planned around a hub of schools, offices (underground, of course), shopping, cultural centers and parks (actually, the whole community would be a big park, with no fences, but plenty of sculpture and fountains). A network of underground electric carts could provide transportion to and from centers and public transit centers (and underground garages for folks vehicles, vessels, etc.)
Or maybe I should just lay ease up on the peyote enemas?
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Posted by: dayahka on Mar 6, 2007 1:24 PM
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This idea is good not only for the reasons mentioned, but also because it could advance the idea of sustainable urban agriculture, with cities growing their own food instead of importing it from the outside.
Hey, who said you can't teach old dogs (or decaying cultures) new tricks?
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There are numerous green roof types that don't need 'lawncare'. Of course, actually reading and recognizing facts would not give you your chance to drop your excretory rhetoric and scurry off.
You're doing well, what with both "fudgepacker" and "beaner" in the same day. You well may deserve the Total Ass of the Week, and it's only Tuesday.
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Also, what would you do if you live in drought-prone areas? Not all cities receive enough rainfall to sustain green roofs without them being watered manually, and in many of those cities (such as Sydney, Australia), such watering is generally not permitted due to restrictions on water use.
Perhaps green roofing could be used in areas with plentiful rainfall with (perhaps) lower amounts of sunlight, while cities in countries (such as Australia) that are drought-prone with an excess of sunshine could resort to solar panels. At least the choices are emerging!
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Posted by: freethinker on Mar 6, 2007 6:24 PM
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If you plant species that are native to the area, the maintenance is not a real problem. Sedum species can tolerate drought conditions with very little pruning, and in moderately wet conditions, again, the rain takes care of the watering other kinds of species without any extra "drain" on the public water supply. The idea of the green roof is not to use more of one resource to reduce another. However, if you would rather use the roof runoff water to irrigate your ground landscaping, obviously don't use a green roof.
In terms of the concerns with roots and water leaking into the roof- the plants do not really grow "on" the roof. Most green roof systems use some kind of modular tray or grid system that is more or less contained and removable for maintenance. This system is then placed on the typical waterproof roof system which is protected against the elements. Check out www.greengridroofs.com as an example of a well-known system.
As much as many of us would like to see our natural environment replace the built one, it is an unlikely scenario anytime soon- but if we do succumb to society's drive to increase density to the nth degree, at least we can try to give back a little to remember what we have replaced. There are many other ways we can go green- the roof is one of many.
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Posted by: eaanders on Mar 6, 2007 11:06 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/16/opinion/16caldeira.html
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When being green raises heat
by KEN CALDEIRA
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 7, 2007 4:50 PM
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And, no, you can't use derrogatory homophobic and racist remarks here very easily. Get used to it.
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Posted by: NWR Inc. on Mar 26, 2007 8:06 AM
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