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Foreskin Face Cream and Other Beauty Products of the Future
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The flesh trade isn't as elusive as people might think. Like porn, human body parts are easily available online for the right price. The Coriell Institute is only one of dozens of websites that offer foreskin fibroblast for sale. On its website, I put a foreskin fibroblast in a shopping cart and called its office, where a perky customer representative informed me that I can buy the flakes for a cost of $85.00 -- plus shipping and handling. In the end, I didn't buy, but it surprised me to find out how easily I could have.
That's because foreskin fibroblasts are big business. A fibroblast is a piece of human skin that is used as a culture to grow other skin or cells -- like human yogurt kits. Human foreskin fibroblast is used in all kinds of medical procedures from growing skin for burn victims and for eyelid replacement, to growing skin for those with diabetic ulcers (who need replacement skin to cover ulcers that won't heal), to making creams and collagens in the cosmetics industry (yes, the product that is injected into puffy movie-starlet lips).
One foreskin can be used for decades to produce miles of skin and generate as much as $100,000 -- that's not the fee from a one-time sale, but the fees from the fibroblasts that are created from those original skin cells.
One of the most publicized examples of the foreskin-for-sale trend involves a skin cream that has been promoted by none other than Oprah Winfrey. SkinMedica, a face cream, which costs over $100 for a 0.63-oz. bottle, is used by many high-profile celebrities (such as Winfrey and Barbara Walters) as an alternative to cosmetic surgery. Winfrey has promoted the SkinMedica product several times on her show, and her website, which raves about "a new product that boosts collagen production and can rejuvenate skin called TNS Recovery Complex. TNS is comprised from six natural human growth factors found in normal healthy skin ... the factors are engineered from human foreskin!"
On Winfrey’s show, the doctor promoting SkinMedica cream warned that some people may have ethical questions regarding using a product that is made from the derivative of foreskins (to which Winfrey made no response). Why ethical questions? The foreskins come from circumcisions, and male circumcision is now a controversial topic. In a discussion on Mothering.com, one querent asked, "If the cream was made from the bi-product of baby Afro-American clitoral skin, would Oprah still be promoting it?" There's no answer to that question on Mothering or Winfrey's site, and Winfrey declined a request for an interview for this article.
Beauty engineering
Using foreskin fibroblast for medically necessary procedures generates less controversy than using it for optional "beauty" treatments. So how does Dr. Fitzpatrick, who invented SkinMedica, defend his company?
To start with, he argues that using foreskin fibroblast to make cream is ethical, because the company does not put any actual human tissue in their products -- only the growth hormone left over from growing artificial skin (not actual tissue or skin cells). And he adds that the original company that supplied SkinMedica with the hormone grew cultures from a single foreskin donated 15 years earlier. That company made artificial skin for wound healing.
But that company went bankrupt. And Dr. Fitzpatrick, whose invention of this cream earned him the dubious honor of being named Allure magazine's "physician who has most influenced beauty," now works with a supplier that uses foreskin fibroblast to make injectable collagen. So the foreskins used to make the cream have only ever been used for "vanity" purposes.
Further in his defence, Fitzpatrick says that using foreskins in the first place was simply a matter of convenience. "It doesn't matter if you get a fibroblast from the eyelid, the cheek, the foot or the foreskin," Fitzgerald said in an interview for this article. "That cell is still a fibroblast; it does the same thing. Foreskins were used because that is a common surgery and the skin is thrown away, so why not use it for benefits? Twelve years ago when this was done, there would have been no objection to using foreskin tissue."
But Fitzpatrick acknowledged that using foreskins now is about more than convenience. Circumcision rates in Canada have dropped below 10 per cent, and they are dropping in the United States as well, which means that it will be more difficult to source them. And foreskin samples do eventually run out and need to be replaced. But Fitzpatrick said that although you can use technology to make the cell cultures from scratch, without foreskins, the process is "much more expensive."
Sourcing foreskins
Things have changed from the time when using foreskins was an objection-free endeavour. In fact, many websites are now dedicated to the preservation of baby foreskins, and long streams of discussion on mothering websites argue against the use of baby skin for cosmetics purposes. Vancouver is home to the Association for Genital Integrity, whose mandate is to end male circumcision.
I asked Dr. Fitzpatrick about using foreskins from older men instead who want to earn the purported $100,000 windfall. Apparently, it's a no-go. "Fibroblasts that are made from young skin are more active than fibroblast from a 60- or 70-year-old," he said. "The skin reproduces better in young tissue; you are using that cell as a factory ... eventually the tissue samples need to be refreshed ... a young cell produces more and lasts longer."
Newborn tissue is particularly valuable, not only because of its vitality, but also because it is usually guaranteed to be healthy. Tissue for medical use obviously needs to be free from disease.
Ethical pain
Fitzpatrick adds that foreskin tissue has been the easiest tissue to access -- ethically -- up till now, "because you are not having to use stem cells or fetal tissue in order to still get young tissue."
Neocutis is another face cream -- but this one uses cells grown from a terminated fetus to make the product, something the company documents on its website. Neocutis declined a request for an interview for this article.
Dr. Nikhil Mehta, director of product development for SkinMedica, spoke about his opinion of Neocutis, their competitor. "They are actually taking cells, literally chopping up the cells, and putting them in cream."
Another page on the Neocutis website describes how they harvested the tissue of a terminated two-month-old fetus "in the period of scarless wound healing." It is out of this tissue that they developed the cell culture used in creating their special "bio restorative skin cream" with their patented secret ingredient.
Myth of scarlessness
Dr. Fitzpatrick explained why they would want to use fetal tissue: There is a period during neonatal development where wounds will heal without scarring. He said no one really understands why the cells are scar-free at that time, but that even so, there are no scar reduction benefits to be gained by using them -- those properties aren't transferable: "To take cells at that age and imply that you can have that happen to an adult is incorrect. No one has shown that to be correct; if there was some reason to believe that could occur, it would be a very hot topic."
Dr. Mehta was asked how much tissue Neocutis would need to "harvest" from a two-month-old fetus in order to develop a cell culture, since this kind of skin can grow for years. "You don't need very much. Think of how small a baby foreskin is. Maybe the amount of skin that is on the tip of a finger."
This didn’t sound so bad, until I went with my six-year-old daughter to Body Worlds 3, an anatomy exhibition with approximately 200 real human specimens, in the hope of giving her an interesting medical lesson. I found myself standing in front of some plastinated fetuses, and their tiny features were drawn into expressions one might imagine on a puppy having a bad dream. The two-month-old fetus is perfectly formed; a small spine curves its back. Tiny fingers curl. It is barely an inch long. Neocutis would have to use the whole thing.
In a moment of panic, I wondered if I had deeply scarred my six-year-old by bringing her to the exhibit. In this world where doctors can make art shows out of human flesh -- ostensibly in the name of science -- how can we judge pharmaceutical companies who chop up unwanted fetuses, or grow cells from foreskins, to put on our faces?
As I tried to formulate some words to discuss the topic, my daughter -- young though she is -- caught sight of my face and pulled me away, saying gently, "Mommy, don't look if it makes you upset."
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 9, 2007 12:08 AM
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In a moment of panic, I wondered if I had deeply scarred my six-year-old by bringing her to the exhibit. In this world where doctors can make art shows out of human flesh -- ostensibly in the name of science -- how can we judge pharmaceutical companies who chop up unwanted fetuses, or grow cells from foreskins, to put on our faces?
Pretty soon, you'll be thoughtfully construing the value of...well...nevermind.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Feb 9, 2007 3:07 AM
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Yeah, CNN covered the press conference by the team of doctors who performed the surgery, and the head doc said the kid was doing just fine with the new eyelids. THe only problem was that from now on, for the rest of his life, the poor kid would be a little cockeyed.
/bada-bing
//I'll be here all week....
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» Me too. Weird article indeed.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Feb 9, 2007 3:58 AM
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I wonder if any of the people that are against stem cell research use these creams.
I am surprised bush has allowed the destruction of foreskins for creams and such. Shouldn't they be thrown in the garbage like stem cells? Who needs smooth skin if you're dying from cancer?
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Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle on Feb 9, 2007 5:21 AM
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Hope they get phimosis of the eyelids.
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Second, I suspected all along that Oprah and BabaWawa, and many others of their ilk, were dickheads. Now that suspicion has been confirmed.
Third, more seriously, HIV is know to live in the foreskin of males and is easily transmitted from there. Circumcising males is a health matter that helps to prvent spreading HIV.
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Posted by: drabikmr on Feb 9, 2007 6:06 AM
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Check these URLs out - this goes beyond outrage:
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Feb 9, 2007 6:17 AM
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unless your cosmetics say "no animal ingredients," there are bits of skin, bone, blood, body fluids, organs, etc..etc...from animals in your cosmetics.
animal parts, human parts, what's the difference?? a dead piece of flesh is a dead piece of flesh. ALL COSMETICS SHOULD BE CRUELTY FREE.
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this article is rather fluffy. there's slaughter and genocide all over the planet, the ecosystem is in climatic upheaval. toxics are infiltrating our water and soil....
shouldn't pixel space be spent on more important issues than what psycho pharmaceutical companies and cosmetic companies are trying to hype to millions of people who are afraid to get old?
how about an article on aging and coming to grips with our own decrepitude and mortality ? now, that would be meaningful.
or we could just go on and on and on and on about flesh in make up or the whirlwind life and death of anna nicole smith.
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Posted by: R.I.P. on Feb 9, 2007 6:58 AM
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and see what happens next.
One might ask, ten years younger than what?
But, that won't happen.
It requires thought.
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» Actually circumcision is ALWAYS elective
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Cells are cells are cells. If foreskin's useful, then foreskin will be used. As long as they are not forcibly circumcising babies to get them, then who cares what's done with them? Especially if there aren't even any cells in the final product.
It's sad that the guy's artificial skin business went under. A damn shame. But just because he's now making cosmetics doesn't make him the devil.
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Story at 6, stay tuned.
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"She is considered the most infamous serial killer in Slovak and Hungarian history. She spent most of her life at the Čachtice Castle. After her husband's death, she and her four alleged collaborators were accused of torturing and killing dozens of girls and young women. In 1611, she was imprisoned in Čachtice Castle, where she remained until her death three years later. Her nobility allowed her to avoid trial and execution. However, three of her four alleged collaborators were put to death.
The Báthory case has inspired many stories, featuring the Countess bathing in her victims' blood in order to retain her youth. This inspired nicknames like the Blood Countess."
Yes - the old who feed on the young is what makes this story so creepy - rather like our VP:
Vice President Cheney Wins 5th Straight Puppy Blood Drinking Championship
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Posted by: jshubbub on Feb 9, 2007 10:41 AM
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It's not like I've ever missed my foreskin, and I guarantee that anyone else who was circumcised as an infant doesn't miss his either. Not unless he has chosen to be part of some organization that is looking for any available reason to play the victim.
You know, I'm really sorry that some group of guys out there chooses to mourn the loss of that little flap of skin on the end of their wee-wees, but comparing that to female circumcision in Africa is beyond the pale. Grow up.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Feb 9, 2007 11:03 AM
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http://www.vegfamily.com/lists/animal-ingredients.htm
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http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=72
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Posted by: aouie01 on Feb 13, 2007 5:36 PM
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In the absence of a medical emergency, circumcision should require the consent of the grown up and well-informed person whose foreskin is at stake.
Though not as serious as some other problems in the world, I hope you will do your part in discouraging needless genital mutilations happening in our midst. But first you need to know why.
Check CIRP for information. Especially the information about the anatomy of the penis, and the mechanics of intercourse.
A more sexually explicit (but not necessarily as focussed on facts) illustrative example can be found at SexAsNatureIntendedIt.com.
Sincrerely,
Aouie
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Posted by: TLCTugger on Feb 15, 2007 6:58 AM
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^^ foreskin tissue has been the easiest tissue to access -- ethically -- up till now ^^
When has it EVER been ethical to strap down a helpless infant, amputate valuable healthy normal human body parts and then market the parts? Maybe it used to be easier to get away with it, but it has been clearly evil forever and ever.
No national medical association on earth recommends routine infant circumcision, so these poor babies are losing over half their sensual nerve endings and about 16 square inches of wonderful adult sexual interface without having a say and without medical reason.
Every mammal on earth and in the sea evolved a foreskin before there was surgery or soap. 80% of the world is intact (not circumcised) and suffers no special health, hygiene, or social problems. ONLY the US and South Korea cut most minors for non-religious reasons. It WILL be illegal - if we act on our conscience and keep squawking.
In the meantime we can at least insist that no human body parts be marketed without the consent of the victim.
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In a moment of panic, I wondered if I had deeply scarred my six-year-old by bringing her to the exhibit. In this world where doctors can make art shows out of human flesh -- ostensibly in the name of science -- how can we judge pharmaceutical companies who chop up unwanted fetuses, or grow cells from foreskins, to put on our faces?
Pretty soon, you'll be thoughtfully construing the value of...well...nevermind.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Feb 9, 2007 3:07 AM
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Yeah, CNN covered the press conference by the team of doctors who performed the surgery, and the head doc said the kid was doing just fine with the new eyelids. THe only problem was that from now on, for the rest of his life, the poor kid would be a little cockeyed.
/bada-bing
//I'll be here all week....
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» Me too. Weird article indeed.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Feb 9, 2007 3:58 AM
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I wonder if any of the people that are against stem cell research use these creams.
I am surprised bush has allowed the destruction of foreskins for creams and such. Shouldn't they be thrown in the garbage like stem cells? Who needs smooth skin if you're dying from cancer?
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Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle on Feb 9, 2007 5:21 AM
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Hope they get phimosis of the eyelids.
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Second, I suspected all along that Oprah and BabaWawa, and many others of their ilk, were dickheads. Now that suspicion has been confirmed.
Third, more seriously, HIV is know to live in the foreskin of males and is easily transmitted from there. Circumcising males is a health matter that helps to prvent spreading HIV.
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Posted by: drabikmr on Feb 9, 2007 6:06 AM
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Check these URLs out - this goes beyond outrage:
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» RE: Outraged about foreskins? How about the use of the whole person?
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Feb 9, 2007 6:17 AM
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unless your cosmetics say "no animal ingredients," there are bits of skin, bone, blood, body fluids, organs, etc..etc...from animals in your cosmetics.
animal parts, human parts, what's the difference?? a dead piece of flesh is a dead piece of flesh. ALL COSMETICS SHOULD BE CRUELTY FREE.
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this article is rather fluffy. there's slaughter and genocide all over the planet, the ecosystem is in climatic upheaval. toxics are infiltrating our water and soil....
shouldn't pixel space be spent on more important issues than what psycho pharmaceutical companies and cosmetic companies are trying to hype to millions of people who are afraid to get old?
how about an article on aging and coming to grips with our own decrepitude and mortality ? now, that would be meaningful.
or we could just go on and on and on and on about flesh in make up or the whirlwind life and death of anna nicole smith.
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Posted by: R.I.P. on Feb 9, 2007 6:58 AM
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and see what happens next.
One might ask, ten years younger than what?
But, that won't happen.
It requires thought.
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Posted by: greenman on Feb 9, 2007 7:06 AM
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» foreskin removal is usually NOT elective
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» Actually circumcision is ALWAYS elective
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Posted by: edsmith on Feb 9, 2007 7:29 AM
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Posted by: l_m_n on Feb 9, 2007 8:00 AM
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Cells are cells are cells. If foreskin's useful, then foreskin will be used. As long as they are not forcibly circumcising babies to get them, then who cares what's done with them? Especially if there aren't even any cells in the final product.
It's sad that the guy's artificial skin business went under. A damn shame. But just because he's now making cosmetics doesn't make him the devil.
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Posted by: gazooks on Feb 9, 2007 8:30 AM
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Story at 6, stay tuned.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 9, 2007 9:02 AM
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"She is considered the most infamous serial killer in Slovak and Hungarian history. She spent most of her life at the Čachtice Castle. After her husband's death, she and her four alleged collaborators were accused of torturing and killing dozens of girls and young women. In 1611, she was imprisoned in Čachtice Castle, where she remained until her death three years later. Her nobility allowed her to avoid trial and execution. However, three of her four alleged collaborators were put to death.
The Báthory case has inspired many stories, featuring the Countess bathing in her victims' blood in order to retain her youth. This inspired nicknames like the Blood Countess."
Yes - the old who feed on the young is what makes this story so creepy - rather like our VP:
Vice President Cheney Wins 5th Straight Puppy Blood Drinking Championship
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Posted by: jshubbub on Feb 9, 2007 10:41 AM
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It's not like I've ever missed my foreskin, and I guarantee that anyone else who was circumcised as an infant doesn't miss his either. Not unless he has chosen to be part of some organization that is looking for any available reason to play the victim.
You know, I'm really sorry that some group of guys out there chooses to mourn the loss of that little flap of skin on the end of their wee-wees, but comparing that to female circumcision in Africa is beyond the pale. Grow up.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Feb 9, 2007 11:03 AM
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http://www.vegfamily.com/lists/animal-ingredients.htm
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http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=72
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Posted by: Habaro on Feb 9, 2007 2:25 PM
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 10, 2007 2:59 PM
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Posted by: aouie01 on Feb 13, 2007 5:36 PM
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In the absence of a medical emergency, circumcision should require the consent of the grown up and well-informed person whose foreskin is at stake.
Though not as serious as some other problems in the world, I hope you will do your part in discouraging needless genital mutilations happening in our midst. But first you need to know why.
Check CIRP for information. Especially the information about the anatomy of the penis, and the mechanics of intercourse.
A more sexually explicit (but not necessarily as focussed on facts) illustrative example can be found at SexAsNatureIntendedIt.com.
Sincrerely,
Aouie
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Posted by: TLCTugger on Feb 15, 2007 6:58 AM
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^^ foreskin tissue has been the easiest tissue to access -- ethically -- up till now ^^
When has it EVER been ethical to strap down a helpless infant, amputate valuable healthy normal human body parts and then market the parts? Maybe it used to be easier to get away with it, but it has been clearly evil forever and ever.
No national medical association on earth recommends routine infant circumcision, so these poor babies are losing over half their sensual nerve endings and about 16 square inches of wonderful adult sexual interface without having a say and without medical reason.
Every mammal on earth and in the sea evolved a foreskin before there was surgery or soap. 80% of the world is intact (not circumcised) and suffers no special health, hygiene, or social problems. ONLY the US and South Korea cut most minors for non-religious reasons. It WILL be illegal - if we act on our conscience and keep squawking.
In the meantime we can at least insist that no human body parts be marketed without the consent of the victim.
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