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It Ain't Easy Peeing Green

By Nicole McClelland, Orion Magazine. Posted November 13, 2006.


A woman realizes that while going to the bathroom ecologically meant peeing on trees and lawns, and working with a poo-only toilet, all she wanted was something that flushed and that she could sit down on.
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Honey, could you please bring me the tissues out of my bag?" I called from the bathroom in the rundown backpackers' hostel. Dan and I had paid two extra American dollars for en suite facilities, and I'd sat down on the toilet without noticing that there was nothing to wipe with. Tiny ants patrolled the cracks between the sink and the wall and the wall and the floor. A few lizards took turns scurrying across the ceiling. I eyed them sharply.

"What for?" Dan asked through the door.

"What do you mean, 'what for'?" I called back, laughing quietly in spite of myself.

From the moment our escape-the-States-before-the-careers-and-babies trip started, my intended and I spent a lot of time talking about toilets. We had recently graduated from college and set off on a splendid six-month vacation that would culminate in a Fijian wedding. We were free of mortgage and debt obligations. We had our youth. We had big dreams and birth control. Before we left, Dan had taken a Southeast Asia guidebook out of the library and given me a quick course in distant culture. I'd learned, among other things, that people in Thailand, our first stop, don't traditionally use toilet paper. But I'd forgotten.

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"They don't use toilet paper here, remember?" he yelled from the other side of the door. He turned it into a song: "I already told you that, but you... weren't... listeniiinnng!"

"Please just give me the tissues," I pleaded.

He didn't respond.

"Dan?"

"What?"

"Get me my tissues!"

"No," he said solemnly. "Use the water gun, like you're supposed to." And I heard him walk away.

I looked around and saw a sprayer, like the one on my mother's kitchen sink, hitched to the side of the toilet. I picked it up, aimed it directly into the bowl, and squeezed the trigger. A powerful stream of water shot out. Satisfied that I had conducted a successful test of the equipment, I directed the device at my crotch and squeezed again.

Fancy Western hotels in Thailand have amenities like toilet paper, and as crappy as our hostel was, it was at least fancy enough to have sit-down toilets. At the Bangkok train station, however, I had no choice but to leave my silly American pretensions at the bathroom door and squat. I managed to pee on my jeans and spill all over myself the plastic bowl of foul water that was provided in lieu of a water gun.

Dan smiled broadly as I walked through the exit, all wet spots and irritation. "You peed your pants," he said, kissing me on the cheek.

"I'm never using a squat toilet again," I told him. I waited for a moment, ready to fight, but he spared me a repeat performance of the "people who use squat toilets don't get hemorrhoids because they don't strain their anuses as much" lecture.

"And I'm carrying tissues from now on."

"Oh, come on." He laughed at me. "That's a waste of paper."

"Don"t give me that shit," I said. "We use toilet paper when we're at home. You've used toilet paper your entire life."

He stopped smiling. "Yeah, but that doesn't mean there's not a better way." He was suddenly earnest, prepared to explain poignant environmental truths to his liberal arts graduate partner. I was a soft hippie, the sort who recycles and turns off the water when teeth-brushing, and I wanted to do more. But I had been raised in all the comforts a yuppie could afford, and wasn't as prepared as perhaps either one of us had thought I would be to abandon them. Dan readied his hands for the gesturing that accompanies his recitations on why he studied ecology and engineering, on the way that the marriage of science and conservation will beget the future of the Earth.

Though toilet paper was invented in China in the late 1300s, it was for emperors only, and everyone else around the globe used everything from corncobs to wool to newspaper to lace for the next five centuries. Widespread use of toilet paper didn't catch on until New York's Joseph Gayetty started selling it in 1857, with his name printed on every sheet. Now the U.S. alone uses 7.4 million tons of tissue per year -- over 20,000 sheets of toilet paper per person, according to Charmin -- and North America, which contains less than 7 percent of the world's population, consumes half the world's tissue paper products. By Greenpeace's estimates, Canada would save nearly 50,000 trees a year if every household in the country replaced just one roll of regular toilet paper with the recycled kind.

Notwithstanding my recent problems, I actually thought that a quick, concentrated water bath was a great way to refresh one's unmentionables. In addition to being more environmentally responsible, it seemed more sanitary. And classily European. But the water in Thailand is dirty and smelly, and I was sweaty and frustrated and wearing my own urine, so I put on my "we're not talking about this anymore" face and said, "We're not talking about this anymore. If the water here isn't safe enough to drink, then it's not suitable for spraying all over my naughty bits. From now on, I'm carrying tissues."

When we arrived at the Brisbane airport in Australia a few weeks later, I rushed gleefully into the bathroom, where I was greeted by rows of dazzling sinks followed by dozens of sparkling sit-down toilets, each one bedecked by roll upon roll of toilet paper. I sat leisurely down in a stall, breathing in disinfectant, dangling and kicking my legs about like a child on the edge of a physician's table while I urinated delightedly. After standing up and fastening my perfectly dry pants, I looked for the flushing mechanism. To my surprise, there were not one, but two buttons on the back of the toilet, one right next to the other. I inspected them for discrepancies, but they appeared to be identical. Just two rectangles on top of the tank, and no other handles or levers in sight. Baffled, I set my finger lightly upon the left, then the right button, wondering if one would be easier, and therefore more correct, to depress. But nothing happened. Finally, I opened the stall door and set myself sideways to it, prepared to flee in the face of any catastrophe, then pushed firmly on the right-hand button. The toilet flushed. I walked over to the sink and washed my hands, pleased that I had chosen my button wisely. I vowed never to disturb the other one.

Soon after, I came upon an advertisement for "half-flush" toilets in a magazine. Evidently, an Australian invented a toilet with two flush options in order to conserve the country's often scarce water supply. The button on the left uses half as much water, just enough to flush down a couple of tissues. The button on the right induces full-blast flushing, to take care of solid waste. It was such a good idea that nearly all toilets across Australia were soon half-flushing. We eventually found that the buttons can be rectangular or square, and are sometimes shaded halfway or completely, denoting their respective purposes. Even though low-volume toilets -- which use a third of the resources of older models -- were mandated by Congress in the States in the early '90s, they still use twice as much water as the half-flush's 0.8 gallons. Dan and I agreed on its splendidness, and decided that when we built a house, we would import our toilets from ten thousand miles away.

We quickly found work in an ecovillage just north of Brisbane with Jeff and Frances Michaels, who agreed to compensate us for our toils on their property with free room and board in their beautiful home. The tile floors were clean and cool, the linens spotless, the toilets flushing. Jeff and Frances informed us that though their plumbing appeared conventional, it in fact ran into an alternative treatment system. All their gray (sink and drain) water and black (toilet) water was filtered through a box containing some combination of sand and worms before being gravity-fed downhill to their orchards for irrigation. A friend of theirs had invented and installed the box, and Dan couldn't understand exactly how it worked. The Michaelses didn't really seem to either, but theirs was a lifestyle I could definitely support. This was conservation with style.

A week later, we reported to a farm on the southeast coast for a similar work arrangement. I arrived with a full bladder and immediately sought out the bathroom, where I found a hole in either end of the floor, one filled with a wooden plug and the other containing a toilet -- a squat toilet, to my utter dejection. A sign on the door identified the toilet as composting and asked visitors not to urinate in it, and to throw in a handful of wood chips when they were finished. I urinated in it anyway, because I didn't know where else to go, but asked about the proper protocol when I returned to the kitchen.

'Sometimes you have to wee when you have a shit," Brian Woodward told me over the breakfast table. His partner, Sally Middleton, smiled and nodded sagaciously. "We're not saying you can't ever urinate in it. Sometimes it's unavoidable. But urine upsets the nutrient balance of the compost, so we ask that you keep it to a minimum." He was originally from England and said the last syllable of "compost" as if it rhymed with "lost."

Dan, who had taken a Design of Waste Management Systems course just before graduation, had been telling me about composting toilets. They often require no energy or water, cost almost no money, and allow waste to become a resource. Not only do they produce fertilizer, but they also reduce trash: 50 percent of all biosolids, the leftovers of domestic sewage treatment, end up in a landfill. But in order to work optimally -- that is, kill pathogens and break down organic material into an easily used source of energy, and all without stinking -- a complex balance of aeration, moisture, nutrients, and temperature needs to be achieved. The Woodward-Middletons used wood chips to help maintain airspace and control moisture in their pile, as well as provide additional nutrients for the microorganisms, but other materials such as sawdust, straw, and rice hulls also work.

"So where do you pee?" I asked Brian.

"It's especially good for the trees, if you'd like to do them the service, Dan," he said, turning his gray-bearded grin toward my companion. I waited, but he didn't address me. I appealed to Sally. "Where do you pee?" I asked her.

Oh, we have a special toilet just for women, I hoped Sally would say, then direct me to an immaculate bidet down the hall. Instead she gestured vaguely around her. "Wherever," she said, looking out the window into the yard.

I frowned, but everyone pretended not to notice. Dan started asking Brian questions about how their toilet worked. Brian explained that the second-floor bathroom was built on top of a huge wooden structure that caught the waste. There are two holes for toilets because one is used until the compartment underneath it is full, and then that one is closed up and they use the other one. The waste from the filled compartment gets transferred into a middle compartment where it composts further and is ultimately taken out and spread around the gardens. When Dan commented on the intelligence of this design, Brian said proudly that it was his own.

"We stayed with some people who had a worm box," I offered.

Brian and Sally rolled their eyes. Brian thought that kind of black water treatment was inadequate, that it didn't kill the pathogens in human feces, and wasn't safe for watering plants, much less food plants. The Michaelses' system had seemed easy and efficient. But apparently, not everyone agreed on the best way to go about being Earth-conscious.

The next day, I was collecting firewood with the Woodward-Middletons' teenage daughter, Holly, when I announced that I had to pee.

"So you guys just go in the yard, right?" I asked her.

She didn't even look up. "Right."

"I suppose I should go behind something then, huh?" I asked, smiling.

She raised her head and crinkled her eyebrows at me.

"I guess." Like I was some kind of prude. "If you want to."

Actually I'd quite prefer to do it right here next to you since that seems to be all right, I thought as I walked toward shelter. What a relief that we are both empowered enough to feel comfortable huddling and pissing around the yard together.

After squatting behind a small barn, I pulled my pants up, aggravated that I didn't have any toilet paper. But of course I didn't have any toilet paper; I was standing in the middle of someone's lawn.

Dan and I knew some environmentalists of the "if it's yellow, let it mellow; if it's brown, flush it down" persuasion, which conserves water and is only slightly distasteful in that the bathroom can reek of ammonia after a while. But Sally and Holly were so enlightened that they didn't waste trees or water when they peed. On the contrary, they blessed the land several times a day with their nutritious excretions.

Lying in bed that night, waiting for Dan to return from the shower, I flipped through the pictures he'd been showing me in his travel journal. In it, he kept track of where we went, who we met, whether he liked the food. After turning several pages, I was shocked to find a draft of his wedding vows. Throughout my life, my thoughts on marriage ... I lingered just long enough to realize what it was, then turned a few more pages, my circulatory system pumping hard, and made a mental note to start working on my own vows. I will say something, I thought, about the way he lets me eat off his plate even if he asked me before he ordered if I was hungry and I said no, so he only got enough for one person. Something about how we still stay up late some nights talking and giggling like grade school children, even if we have to get up early in the morning. As I considered the reasons we were perfect for each other, despite my disbelief in destiny or fate, I continued paging through his sketches absentmindedly. Until I came upon a picture of a toilet.

For a second, I didn't recognize it as a toilet, since the drawing involved the cross-section of a large box that had been divided in thirds. There was a hole in the top of each of the two outside compartments, with an arrow pointing to each hole. They were labeled, simply, "toilet."

"So, you really like the composting toilet here," I said as Dan walked into the room with a towel around his waist.

"Yeah, I think it's a good design." He dried off his face and hair, his voice muffled from behind the towel. "I probably would prefer a regular toilet to a squat toilet, but they both have their advantages, you know?"

Oh, I know.

"Do you intend to have a composting toilet in our house?" I asked, breezy, casual.

"Potentially," he said, bending over to wipe some water droplets from his calf. "You'll want to grow some herbs and vegetables, and it would be a great source of cheap, natural fertilizer. Besides, it's really the most efficient way of dealing with home waste right now."

"What about leachfields?" I asked, remembering him telling me once about on-site septic systems that treat household waste and require the biosolids to be pumped out every few years.

"Those can be good systems. And so can Living Machines." Dan had spent his undergraduate career building and maintaining the miniature ecosystems that purify wastewater using natural processes. "I'm not saying I know exactly what we'll want to use, but composting is definitely a viable option."

That's a good point, I could have said. It wasn't like we were building a house in a week. Or even in five years. Instead I lowered my voice and sneered, "There is no fucking way I'm getting a composting toilet in my house."

Dan stared at me for a second. "Your house?" he said, raising his eyebrows.

"What happened to the half-flush toilet?" I demanded. "A half-flush toilet and a water gun thing so we don't waste any paper?"

He shook his head. "That is a good idea, but we can do more. Think of all the water that's used to flush toilets every day -- even half-flush toilets. If you eliminated the flushing system, it would probably save billions of gallons of water." His voice got a little louder, and the gesturing began. "Think of everyone in the world who uses a toilet. If they all instituted composting toilets, the environmental impact would be huge. Even if just you and I do it, it will save..." (I saw him firing quick math in his head, which I generally found extremely endearing: the average person flushes four times a day at five gallons a flush, times two people, times 365 days...) "over ten thousand gallons of water a year!" He was amazed at the idea of it. "Why do we continue to mix waste with our most valuable resource -- water -- only to spend huge amounts of time and money separating the two and wasting the fuel potential of the waste in the process?" He slung his towel over his shoulder and looked at me.

I couldn't answer this question. And, of course, it was one of the better ones I'd heard. But I was intractable.

"I am not getting up in the middle of the night and wandering out into the yard to take a piss," I told him. "I am not having my daughters, or their girlfriends, running around outside weeing on the lawn! Even if you could balance the nutrients so that I could actually pee in my own bathroom, I hate digging my hands in that bucket of wood chips every time I go in there." I pointed my finger viciously at him. "And the system is not exactly odorless!" Well, not exactly, but pretty much. The Woodward-Middletons were quite effectively maintaining their compost so that the area around the toilet smelled only vaguely of earth and people. But I was tired of squatting around fields, not wiping or rinsing before pulling my underpants back on. I was sick of trying to simultaneously keep my balance and go poo. I wanted to live as easily as Jeff and Frances. I didn't want to be told that what I really wanted -- a flushing toilet that I could sit down on -- was irresponsible, amoral, close-minded.

The reason I am in love with Dan, the reason I believe we can live graciously together until we die, is that in response he simply climbed into bed with me, nuzzled his face in my neck, and gave me a squeeze. "Okay, buddy," he said. "All right, pal. We'll see what kind of options we have in a few years when it's time to build a house." Marriage, like conservation, is a process of negotiation and compromise. So even though I knew he meant, I'll talk you into it eventually, I squeezed him back.

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Nicole McClelland and her husband spent six months exploring organic farming, alternative waste management, and sustainable relationship practices in the South Pacific prior to their wedding. The couple currently lives in Columbus, Ohio.

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peeing green is easy
Posted by: richviss on Nov 13, 2006 1:10 AM   
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thais use toiletpaper to wash their lips and hands after eating.
but according a thai doctor blue jeans , toilet paper and strings can cause female infections.
So wash your pussy instead rubbing with paper

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Pissing on your own lawn?
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Nov 13, 2006 1:28 AM   
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Sounds like someone taking conservation to excess.

This isn't the way to sell environmental responsibility.

The goal shouldn't be absolute minimalism, but living within your environmental means. In plenty of places, the population density is low enough that this sort of thing is not only unnecessary but ridiculous. In high density areas, you generally don't have much of a lawn to piss on anyhow. Some sort of common processing is what makes sense.

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» Think outside the bathroom. Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: Think outside the bathroom. Posted by: Logic's Edge
» Good point. Posted by: kepstein7777
negative to positive
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 13, 2006 2:11 AM   
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I have heard/read lots of negative things about Australia but this is a really positive piece about Australia. Can the perfect human toilet be far away with all this experimenting going on? Can perfect politics be far behind perfect toilets? Hope springs eternal and the recent election gives us great hope.

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Not seeing the wood for the trees
Posted by: zipper696 on Nov 13, 2006 4:05 AM   
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Guys, you all seem to overlook the fact that this is a laugh out loud piece of writing! I was reading parts aloud to my better half and she was mightily amused.
So be entertained as well as informed - sometimes, you just gotta lighten up !

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didn't have to go that far
Posted by: mwildfire on Nov 13, 2006 5:56 AM   
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You could have crossed one state border to find plenty of people comfortable with peeing outside "wherever"...right here in West Virginia. And I'm familiar with a couple of composting toilets here.
My worst experience was in Ecuador--they use toilet paper, but don't always provide it, and you have to remember never to throw it in the toilet--there are little baskets for it. The pipes are not designed to accomodate it. But the bad thing was the frequent use of toilets without seats--you had to sort of crouch over the thing, surely not wanting to touch it. Not so bad if you just had to pee.
I liked the funny parts and the clear picture of a good relationship, as well as the information about various options in design of waste systems.

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elmcorners
Posted by: Elmcorners on Nov 13, 2006 6:11 AM   
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Some years ago when I still lived in my home town in Vermont, there was a plan to expand and improve the sewage treatment plant. I calculated that for the same money composting toilets could be installed in nearly every house in town. I couldn't get anyone to discuss it. Besides, the federal grant wouldn't pay for composting toilets. They like public monuments which will forever acknowledge their generosity. The town now has secondary treatment and truckloads of sludge to spread on nearby fields. Before they take it away, though, the sludge bed becomes carpeted with healthy young tomato plants. Tomato seeds, it seems, can survive commercial sewage treatment.

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» Down in TX Posted by: jwg
Most if not all the answers...
Posted by: woodhead on Nov 13, 2006 6:34 AM   
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If this article interests you and it should have a look at The Humanure Handbook by Joe Jenkins. I can testify to 4 1/2 years of success .Sure it's a chore but shouldn't we be responsible at this basic level?

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Amusing!
Posted by: LizFun on Nov 13, 2006 7:07 AM   
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If you enjoyed this article you'll like the book, "How to Shit in the Woods" by Kathleen Meyer. I still haven't mastered it and hope I never have to. I used to live in Thailand, but I never saw those sprayer things.

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What a load of crap.
Posted by: medstudgeek on Nov 13, 2006 8:16 AM   
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Sorry, couldn't resist... ;)

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Progressive Waste Management
Posted by: edhowes on Nov 13, 2006 8:21 AM   
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It is amazing in a world of computers and instant communication how little serious thought has been given to waste management. By now, inexpensive waste management systems should have trickled down (no pun intended) technology would be solving waste management in places where sewage runs in the streets. Flush toilets on a filtered gray water system begin to make sense in conjunction with septic systems and leach fields. You filter your sink and bathwater which goes to a holding tank, where a solar powered pump switches on after a toilet flush to refill a tank near the ceiling in the bathroom. A half flush toilet can be used two or three times for urine before the urine flush is used, slightly increasing cleaning effort. There is commercially available micro organisms one can add on a monthly basis to break down septic solids in the tank, which minimize pump out frequency. I have been using a 1,000 gallon tank for 19 years and only half my leach field for the entire time, with no pump out yet required.

If one uses fine mesh, galvanized hardware cloth "coarse screen", under the half inch holes in the leach field drain pipe, the roots from your fruit and nut trees will not grow through the drain holes and plug your drain pipes, backing up your system and requiring you to dig up the two ft deep pipes. The fruit and nuts on blackwater fed trees will be safe for human consumption and the system protects the trees from drought.

Another alternative is to increase global water supplies by building huge solar desalinating, evaporative water plants some miles inland from seacoasts, possibly pumping the sea water by tide powered turbine pumps. Such could provide all the clean water required both for household use and agricultural use in water scarce countries such as Africa, while drawing from a rising ocean due to global warming. It seems to me problems don't get solved because no one works for free and few want to pay for those who don't.

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Does anyone else find it odd...
Posted by: jaby on Nov 13, 2006 8:47 AM   
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that the author and her significant other don't seem to have a problem with riding in airplanes, and implicitly all the environmental havoc that raises, but do have a problem with toilet paper? Ok, well, we can waste all sorts of fossil fuels and cause unknown damage to the atmosphere, not to mention support airlines that are anti-union and suck away tax dollars that contribute to the national debt for a joy trip to Southeast Asia because we don't have kids or a mortgage but we must not use any toilet paper! Hipocrisy if I ever saw it. Besides, if the US were to switch to water from toilet paper it could be disasterous to the water supply. I don't know how it is where the author lives, but where I come from water is too precious a resource to be used to hose down my nether regions every time I use the restroom.
One more thing, if my husband refused to pass me toilet paper that I knew he had when I was in a bathroom, that would be immediate grounds for divorce. I don't need anyone, including my husband, thrusting his vision of right and wrong upon me, especially when I am in such a vulnerable position.

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» RE: Does anyone else find it odd... Posted by: oregoncharles
Balance and grace
Posted by: BlueTigress on Nov 13, 2006 9:03 AM   
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I mastered the skill to squat in the woods and not pee on myself when I was six. While wearing pants. The author should wear skirts until she learns. And no panties.

When one of our toilets broke we replaced it with a low flow unit and I make a point of using that one as often as possible.

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This IS funny!
Posted by: WIenvi on Nov 13, 2006 9:05 AM   
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I found myself laughing out loud while remembering similar situations I experienced traveling through Southeast Asia. I definitely wore more skirts there, finding it quite pleasant to air-dry. I wonder how this couple is handling living in Columbus, OH, with their lofty eco-friendly hopes. Our Western customs are a far cry from the more earth-dependent cultures Down Under.

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Think of the poor apartment dwellers!
Posted by: CrystalD on Nov 13, 2006 9:13 AM   
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What am I supposed to do if I'm to be ecologically correct - go outside on my deck and take a whiz in my jade plant?

This article *was* pretty funny. I hope Alternet runs more articles like this, because the tone of the site can be unbearably priggish otherwise.

As for toilets - well, I cannot see the bulk of the population thinking it's great fun to squat and squirt anytime soon. However, dual-flush toilets and gray-water toilets are very do-able, and an excellent idea.

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Yes, more like this one.
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 13, 2006 10:09 AM   
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I, also, would like to see more light-hearted but useful articles; and more on sustainability. I know there's a whole section on the environment, but it's often political in tone, too. Material on potential solutions is very welcome.

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The CRAPPIEST article Alternet could stoop so low to posting !
Posted by: NDnative on Nov 13, 2006 10:37 AM   
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Frankly, at this point, the author would have been better off letting it go in her pants if she couldn't deal with them damn toilets ! Better yet, she would be better off wearing shorts and tights and wetting herself to give those natives some entertainment !

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We recycle the dishwater
Posted by: aida1200 on Nov 13, 2006 11:56 AM   
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(pour it into a bucket) and use it to flush. Besides conserving water, it helps keep our low-flow toilet cleaner than it would otherwise be.

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» RE: We recycle the dishwater Posted by: Logic's Edge
The Privilege to Pee
Posted by: terihu on Nov 13, 2006 1:25 PM   
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For a satirical off-Broadway musical treatment of this topic, see Urinetown.

After four months traveling through China, I will NEVER take the luxury of a functional flush toilet for granted again.

And while I am concerned about the excessive water usage, I would be more concerned with the potential for the spread of disease if composting isn't properly done (shit=>flies=>plague).

Given how few people seem to be able to sort paper from glass and metal, I have no illusions about the average American's ability to balance the complex mixture of moisture, air and bacteria in a composting toilet.

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Big shit
Posted by: fifthworld on Nov 13, 2006 2:25 PM   
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I'd rather hear about her prenuptual sexual escapades than about cleaning off her crotch. But I guess the latter comes first.

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What....ever
Posted by: rollo on Nov 13, 2006 9:35 PM   
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This is tabloid quality writing. C'mon Alternet, you can do better. Even I can.

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Water water everywhere
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 14, 2006 12:08 AM   
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I'm not sure I understand the purpose of saving water as it relates to resource conservation. Water shortages have more to do with population clustering (and, to a degree, overpopulation) than anything else. It's not like multiple flushes make water disappear -- all the wasted water in the world goes right back into the water table. This is different than not wasting toliet paper. Trees are a semi-finite resource. They take time to grow back.

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I've used a number of composting toilets and never been told not to pee in them!
Posted by: dakiwiboid on Nov 14, 2006 10:21 AM   
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I don't understand this restriction! I guess the composters in the US work under different rules, eh? The people I know who've successfully been using composting toilets for years here and allowing people to urinate in them have also been getting quite useable compost out of them. I don't know what the problem was with those folks.

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It doesn't help most trees
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Nov 14, 2006 3:17 PM   
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unless the person doing the act has been drinking excessively and their urine is mainly clear and made up of water peeing on most trees do more damage than help due to the amount of sodium and other minerals found in urine. Tragically I've discovered this by have a rental house that was populated by college kids who took to peeing off the porch frequently and, despite their probably drunken lifestyle, it reeked havoc on some boxwood bushes below the porch!

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Loved it
Posted by: jlmcferrin on Nov 16, 2006 5:22 AM   
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This story is charming. I enjoyed it from beginning to end. Reminded me of how things are supposed to be. Not perfect but moving forward, trying new things, but not at the expense of what really counts in this world - healthy loving relationships. I wish this couple all the joy in the world. Hope they make it over the long haul.

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Toilets are a start but not the whole solution
Posted by: cinattra on Nov 16, 2006 2:25 PM   
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The story was a fun read. I have to admit one of the few I've read word for word all the way through.

I don't think composting toilets will put a dent into our water use. I'm not sure how a composting toilet or any fancy bio-toilet works in an apartment building. Not everyone owns or can afford a house.

Anyway, I'm willing to bet that industry is a bigger culprit.

It will take incremental change from all facets of society.

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Eco-Peeing vs./& Eco-Eating
Posted by: CyberBrook on Nov 19, 2006 7:01 PM   
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I know it's not one or the other, but I'm not so into eco-peeing (beyond, I suppose, 'yellow is mellow, but brown goes down'), but I am very into Eco-Eating: Eating as if the Earth Matters at www.brook.com/veg

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better late than never...
Posted by: montims on Dec 11, 2006 6:41 AM   
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I've come very late to this article, and am surprised that nobody mentioned the paradox of this ecowarrior championing composting toilets, yet wasting gallons of water showering. OK - I'm British, so you Americans can summon up your own stereotypes, but I fill the sink, soap up a flannel and wash myself thoroughly that way, the way my ancestors did for centuries. As a treat, I have a bath sometimes, but I am perfectly clean and fresh without wasting water. Incidentally, I wash my hair at the sink using a jug 3 times - once to wet, once to wash away the shampoo, and once to wash away the conditioner. Perfectly adequate, and requires no specially built bathroom...

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