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McDonald's Labeling Scheme: Not Lovin' It
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Placing aside corporate spin, questions loom large as to actual impact and underlying motivation. Upon closer inspection, the move is a thinly veiled attempt at deflecting government intervention that could have even greater impact. Â
How effective is seeing the calories on the wrapper of a cheeseburger you've already purchased? Imagine if at the grocery store, after buying all your food, along with your change you're handed the nutrition facts labels from each of the items you just bought. It's no wonder the law requiring nutrition labeling on products sold in stores wasn't written that way. Doing so would defeat the purpose of educating consumers to better inform their purchases. Â
The McDonald's press release calls the move "the latest transparency initiative in the company's 30-year record of providing nutrition information to help customers make informed choices." Now that's creative rewriting of history. Let's go back precisely 30 years to when McDonald's fought off a federal proposal to require nutrition labeling on packaging. Ironically, the company used the same arguments that consumer groups now point to as the limitations of this approach. Â
For example, a 1975 letter from McDonald's to the Food and Drug Administration reads: "[Information on packaging] would result in only post-purchase communication to the customer. "[McDonald's proposed wall mounting] would provide all customers the nutritional information prior to consummating a purchase." (Emphasis in original.) McDonald's won that battle. Â
History repeated itself 15 years later when McDonald's (along with the rest of the restaurant industry) successfully got itself exempt from the updated "Nutrition Facts" labeling requirements for packaged food. According to Michael Jacobson, executive director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI), the main consumer group behind the legislation, if restaurants had been covered in 1990, that bill never would have passed. Politics by ultimatum works wonders. Â
That's why consumer groups such as CSPI have been lobbying for the past several years to pass new laws requiring restaurant chains to place basic nutrition information on menus and menu boards, to fill in this gaping hole in consumer information. With Americans eating half of all meals outside the home, why shouldn't chain restaurants be required to provide calorie, fat, and sodium content on menus and menu boards, where it would have the most impact? Marketers call such placement at the "point-of-purchase" and recognize that it's the most effective way of influencing consumer behavior with information. Â
Yet the National Restaurant Association, whose members include thousands of McDonald's franchises, has been fighting tooth and nail against both federal and state bills, which explains why none of them has passed so far. When asked why the fast food chain won't go further and put the information on menu boards, McDonald's CEO Jim Skinner claimed that it would be too complex and slow down service. Â
But Maine Representative Sean Faircloth doesn't buy that argument. Restaurant lobbyists have twice killed his bill to require the posting of calories on menu boards. Why so much resistance from restaurant chains? "Because they're worried that it would work," Faircloth says. "That people would change their behavior based on the information. And fast food companies don't like the idea of people having information so they can make informed choices," he said. Â
That similar legislation is currently pending in several other states in part explains the timing of McDonald's announcement. If lawmakers think that corporations are improving policy on their own, they may deem these bills unnecessary. However, we have plenty of experience to know that voluntary, self-regulatory measures ultimately fail. Â
Last year, Ruby Tuesday received much praise from consumer groups for starting to print calorie information on its menus. But just a few short months later, the company rescinded the policy for reasons that are unclear. Depending on who you ask, it was either too expensive to maintain or sales of the company's unhealthy items fell; in other words, it worked. Either way, access to more information may be good for public health, but it can also be bad for business. That's why laws are needed to require companies to change their practices. As soon as any voluntary measure negatively impacts a corporation's bottom line, the policy soon becomes a fleeting moment in history. Â
Despite their claims of corporate responsibility, companies such as McDonald's don't act in the interest of consumers, but rather will do whatever is politically expedient in that particular moment. Three decades ago, the threat was government-regulated packaged labeling, and McDonald's fought that off successfully. Now the threat is menu labeling, so the company is attempting to deflect attention by providing something far less effective: labels on wrappers. Â
CEO Skinner says the company is "putting the information customers need literally into their hands," which works out well because by then, the money is already in McDonald's hands.
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Posted by: samo on Nov 5, 2005 4:31 AM
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Posted by: m_mooss on Nov 5, 2005 5:32 AM
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That said, this article is an annoying whine. Groups like the Center for Informed Food Choices and Center for Science in the Human Interest should stop whining, and start their own fast food restaurant chain that offers only the kind of food they approve. I would certainly become a customer -- if the dishes were any good, and sold at a fair price.
If the nutritionally correct chain succeeds in the marketplace -- (an institution these whiners apparently don't accept, for political reasons) -- they will have made their point. If their chain fails, they don't have an argument, and should get off McDonald's back!!
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Posted by: jlohman on Nov 5, 2005 7:36 AM
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For one, I'd like to see who is funding these do-gooder groups. McDonalds is doing what their image-makers are telling them to do. Now their customers must do what their physicians tell them to do.
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Posted by: sykotropix on Nov 5, 2005 7:45 AM
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That Conservative idea would be *PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY*... I mean, honestly, yes McDonalds is a giant corporation, and yes they also could care less how many people they're helping to eat to their much shortened, cholestorol dripping lives... But honestly, people need to take some control of their own lives, what a ridiculous rant.
I am sure we are all well aware that Mcdonalds food isnt the healthiest option, or even that if you're looking to eat as healthy as you can while still eating at a junky, unhealthy place such as Mcdonalds you would probably choose a salad in lieu of a BigMac....
If you need nutrition packaging to inform you that if you're trying to stay healthy and lose weight you probably shouldn't be eating at McD's in the first place.
And as a disgustingly thin person who can't do a damn thing about it - i'll continue stuffing my face with the amazingly greasy, scrumptious taste of a Mcd's double cheeseburger and fries mmm mmm mmm But God Forbid a lefty helps out a big, meany corporation...
I mean really people - we need to spend less time whining about this crap and more time worrying about how the hell we're going to get a progressive candidate into office (and none of those whiny, spineless Dems like Hillary)...
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Posted by: nickptar on Nov 5, 2005 10:06 AM
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But we should make it easier for people to make the right choice by requiring restaurants to present nutrition information.
What's so bad about that?
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Posted by: daniel1982 on Nov 5, 2005 10:06 AM
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First of all, without ever looking at any calorie chart I can tell you right now MacDonald's food is not healthy and will cause you to get fat. There I said it. Is that a surprise to anyone out there? Was this a surprise to the little girl who got fat and sued MacDonald's for it? I don't think so.
Besides, MacDonald's already posts the nutritional information, and you can ask for one from one of the kids who work behind the counter. I would say that putting this info on packaging is completely unnecessary but if it stops some whining (apparently it doesn't) from some people who still hadn't figured out that the food is unhealthy, then so be it.
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Don't we have better things to do than bash a hamburger joint who uses a clown to sell their bun-covered grease-bombs?
I don't eat at McDonalds. I eat at Subways. They have good food that is not swimming in grease and cooked half to death. They have FRESH vegetables which are served with pride by employees who actually care about what they are doing instead of just slapping things together assembly line style. They give me the choice of freshly baked whole-wheat bread to put my sandwich on. They give out nutritional facts proudly printed on their napkins, and have for years! You can also get a six-inch sub there that is not only cheaper than a Big Mac, but better for you too!
If you don't like McDonalds, (and I don't) DON'T GO THERE!! Don't waste space howling loudly about these greasy- ass burgers! If there was no other option, then I could see it. But there is so this is just a lot of spouting off about nothing!
Hell! They've got that goofy-ass clown right out there in the parking lot! How much more do you need to see!!
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You think because you are a vegetarian or an organic farmer or make the right choices that people who eat fast food should suffer? Why not help protect them from the fast food industry by making it easier to make a good food choice?
I smell "holier than thou" crap going on here.
Jealous you can't have a big mac?.......pitiful
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Posted by: Michiganman on Nov 6, 2005 6:31 AM
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Would you like the government to make it reasonably safe to eat at a restaraunt? Or should we have to grow our own food to feel it's safe to eat?
This line of thinking that the fast food industry should be able to do as it pleases reeks of the conservative position of "Your On Your Own"........pitiful
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Posted by: davidt on Nov 6, 2005 10:31 PM
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1. Last year they hired a dude from France, a country that fought successfully to prohibit the proliferation of Big Mac's in said country, to turn the franchise around. Guess what, he recently passed away from heart trouble.
2. Most of the profits of MickeyD's comes from the soda--it costs about 17 cents for a drink, since it is made from the cheapest corn syrup sweetener they can buy and carbonated water. Small wonder that diabetes cases are a ticking time-bomb among millions of teenagers that family MD's are throwing fits.
3. If you want the lowdown on the so-called "nutrition wars" that are being waged on all fronts subscribe to the Nutrtion Action newsletter that is put out by the CSPI. Dr. Jacobson & CSPI was instrumental in forcing the FDA to get companies to put the nutritional information on the labels on their foods.
4. Read EVERY label on the foods that you put into your or your family's mouth!
It could save your life-literally. You might be surprised at one those sneaky companys/fast food chains/restaurants are hiding in those tasty treats that they claim are good sources of...nutrition.
Get this one--Coke is pushing it's soda's for nutritional values in children's magazines that are circulated in our elementary schools!
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Posted by: philosopherintraining on Nov 7, 2005 10:48 AM
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I don't like that fast food is extremely unhealhty, but, realistically, if you get rid of a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY by removing tens of thousands of customers, some people who are employed there (*cough* me *cough*) will take notice as they get fired or have less hours and pay. I seriously doubt that a nation-spanning corporation that's depended on pumping grease into morons will survive if you force it to change its menus from grease to decent food.
I could be wrong though. Besides, a cheeseburger occasionally is quite tasty.
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Posted by: aedwards on Nov 7, 2005 2:43 PM
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Maybe then we would start to be safe and you could all sleep soundly at night. Just make sure that before bed you read the label on the pillow about the dangers of sleeping disorders.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Nov 8, 2005 11:46 AM
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That's true. Walk in to any fast-food joint and just see who bothers to read the contents. We're there for the burgers, skip the salad. And if McDonald's wants people to "love" their food, they ought not to spend so much time and money to fight change. And the public MUST make more informed decisions on what goes in their mouths.
But intelligent people know fast food is not necessarily the best choice for daily eating habits.
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Posted by: m_mooss on Nov 5, 2005 5:32 AM
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That said, this article is an annoying whine. Groups like the Center for Informed Food Choices and Center for Science in the Human Interest should stop whining, and start their own fast food restaurant chain that offers only the kind of food they approve. I would certainly become a customer -- if the dishes were any good, and sold at a fair price.
If the nutritionally correct chain succeeds in the marketplace -- (an institution these whiners apparently don't accept, for political reasons) -- they will have made their point. If their chain fails, they don't have an argument, and should get off McDonald's back!!
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Posted by: jlohman on Nov 5, 2005 7:36 AM
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For one, I'd like to see who is funding these do-gooder groups. McDonalds is doing what their image-makers are telling them to do. Now their customers must do what their physicians tell them to do.
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Posted by: sykotropix on Nov 5, 2005 7:45 AM
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That Conservative idea would be *PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY*... I mean, honestly, yes McDonalds is a giant corporation, and yes they also could care less how many people they're helping to eat to their much shortened, cholestorol dripping lives... But honestly, people need to take some control of their own lives, what a ridiculous rant.
I am sure we are all well aware that Mcdonalds food isnt the healthiest option, or even that if you're looking to eat as healthy as you can while still eating at a junky, unhealthy place such as Mcdonalds you would probably choose a salad in lieu of a BigMac....
If you need nutrition packaging to inform you that if you're trying to stay healthy and lose weight you probably shouldn't be eating at McD's in the first place.
And as a disgustingly thin person who can't do a damn thing about it - i'll continue stuffing my face with the amazingly greasy, scrumptious taste of a Mcd's double cheeseburger and fries mmm mmm mmm But God Forbid a lefty helps out a big, meany corporation...
I mean really people - we need to spend less time whining about this crap and more time worrying about how the hell we're going to get a progressive candidate into office (and none of those whiny, spineless Dems like Hillary)...
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Posted by: nickptar on Nov 5, 2005 10:06 AM
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But we should make it easier for people to make the right choice by requiring restaurants to present nutrition information.
What's so bad about that?
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Posted by: daniel1982 on Nov 5, 2005 10:06 AM
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First of all, without ever looking at any calorie chart I can tell you right now MacDonald's food is not healthy and will cause you to get fat. There I said it. Is that a surprise to anyone out there? Was this a surprise to the little girl who got fat and sued MacDonald's for it? I don't think so.
Besides, MacDonald's already posts the nutritional information, and you can ask for one from one of the kids who work behind the counter. I would say that putting this info on packaging is completely unnecessary but if it stops some whining (apparently it doesn't) from some people who still hadn't figured out that the food is unhealthy, then so be it.
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Posted by: stoney13 on Nov 5, 2005 1:14 PM
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Don't we have better things to do than bash a hamburger joint who uses a clown to sell their bun-covered grease-bombs?
I don't eat at McDonalds. I eat at Subways. They have good food that is not swimming in grease and cooked half to death. They have FRESH vegetables which are served with pride by employees who actually care about what they are doing instead of just slapping things together assembly line style. They give me the choice of freshly baked whole-wheat bread to put my sandwich on. They give out nutritional facts proudly printed on their napkins, and have for years! You can also get a six-inch sub there that is not only cheaper than a Big Mac, but better for you too!
If you don't like McDonalds, (and I don't) DON'T GO THERE!! Don't waste space howling loudly about these greasy- ass burgers! If there was no other option, then I could see it. But there is so this is just a lot of spouting off about nothing!
Hell! They've got that goofy-ass clown right out there in the parking lot! How much more do you need to see!!
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Posted by: Michiganman on Nov 5, 2005 8:29 PM
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You think because you are a vegetarian or an organic farmer or make the right choices that people who eat fast food should suffer? Why not help protect them from the fast food industry by making it easier to make a good food choice?
I smell "holier than thou" crap going on here.
Jealous you can't have a big mac?.......pitiful
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Posted by: Michiganman on Nov 6, 2005 6:31 AM
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Would you like the government to make it reasonably safe to eat at a restaraunt? Or should we have to grow our own food to feel it's safe to eat?
This line of thinking that the fast food industry should be able to do as it pleases reeks of the conservative position of "Your On Your Own"........pitiful
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Posted by: davidt on Nov 6, 2005 10:31 PM
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1. Last year they hired a dude from France, a country that fought successfully to prohibit the proliferation of Big Mac's in said country, to turn the franchise around. Guess what, he recently passed away from heart trouble.
2. Most of the profits of MickeyD's comes from the soda--it costs about 17 cents for a drink, since it is made from the cheapest corn syrup sweetener they can buy and carbonated water. Small wonder that diabetes cases are a ticking time-bomb among millions of teenagers that family MD's are throwing fits.
3. If you want the lowdown on the so-called "nutrition wars" that are being waged on all fronts subscribe to the Nutrtion Action newsletter that is put out by the CSPI. Dr. Jacobson & CSPI was instrumental in forcing the FDA to get companies to put the nutritional information on the labels on their foods.
4. Read EVERY label on the foods that you put into your or your family's mouth!
It could save your life-literally. You might be surprised at one those sneaky companys/fast food chains/restaurants are hiding in those tasty treats that they claim are good sources of...nutrition.
Get this one--Coke is pushing it's soda's for nutritional values in children's magazines that are circulated in our elementary schools!
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Posted by: philosopherintraining on Nov 7, 2005 10:48 AM
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I don't like that fast food is extremely unhealhty, but, realistically, if you get rid of a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY by removing tens of thousands of customers, some people who are employed there (*cough* me *cough*) will take notice as they get fired or have less hours and pay. I seriously doubt that a nation-spanning corporation that's depended on pumping grease into morons will survive if you force it to change its menus from grease to decent food.
I could be wrong though. Besides, a cheeseburger occasionally is quite tasty.
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Posted by: aedwards on Nov 7, 2005 2:43 PM
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Maybe then we would start to be safe and you could all sleep soundly at night. Just make sure that before bed you read the label on the pillow about the dangers of sleeping disorders.
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» RE: why stop at mcdonalds?
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Nov 8, 2005 11:46 AM
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That's true. Walk in to any fast-food joint and just see who bothers to read the contents. We're there for the burgers, skip the salad. And if McDonald's wants people to "love" their food, they ought not to spend so much time and money to fight change. And the public MUST make more informed decisions on what goes in their mouths.
But intelligent people know fast food is not necessarily the best choice for daily eating habits.
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