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- In August, Russian researchers reported that an area of tundra larger than France and Germany combined was rapidly turning into bog as the permafrost melted. Â
- In early September, British researchers reported that warmer temperatures were causing the soil to heat up and dramatically increasing rates of decay. The temperate forests and fields of the United Kingdom are becoming, in essence, semitropical. Â
- In mid-September, researchers reported that arctic sea ice had shrunk by 20 percent. "The feeling is we are reaching a tipping point or threshold beyond which sea ice will not recover," one scientist told reporters. Â
- And in late September, European researchers reported on the biological effects of 2003's record heat wave, the one that killed 15,000 people in France alone. In Italy, they said, corn yields dropped by about 36 percent. Oak and pine also grew more slowly, the study found. In fact, overall there was 30 percent less plant growth that year.
What do numbers like these -- all from the best peer-reviewed journals -- show us? That global warming is not some distant problem waiting to appear, some hypothetical trouble we should start preparing for. They show us that the world is already changing with deadly speed. Every time we burn coal and gas and oil, we send carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and now that carbon dioxide is trapping enough heat to create a new planet. Â
And what's really scary is that each of these developments will in turn trigger more global warming. They're what scientists call feedback loops. For instance, as the Siberian permafrost melts it releases huge quantities of methane -- at some spots last winter the gas was bubbling up so fast that the bogs didn't freeze in even the coldest weather. And methane is an even more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Â
Meanwhile, as British soils heat and decay speeds up, that decay releases carbon -- enough to offset all the energy-saving changes that Britain has made since 1990. Meanwhile the reductions in plant growth that the Europeans found during the hot summer of 2003 mean fewer trees and plants to soak up the carbon from the atmosphere. Â
And up north? White sea ice reflects the sun's rays back to space; when it melts to blue water that heat is now absorbed, increasing warming yet again. Â
So far human beings have increased the planet's temperature about 1 degree Fahrenheit. Unless we do everything possible, as quickly as possible, to shift away from fossil fuels, scientists say we will warm the planet another 5 degrees before the century's end. So imagine all those numbers multiplied by five. Â
It's about time for denial to come to an end. We're no longer talking about theory, about computer models of what might happen. We're talking about what is happening, all around the world, with almost unimaginable speed. Other countries have at least begun to try to deal with the problem, implementing small first steps like the Kyoto Protocol. But here in the United States, there's only a scattering of state and local measures. Washington is governed by a bipartisan consensus that somehow the laws of physics and chemistry don't apply to us. Â
But they do. I said I wasn't going to talk about the hurricanes, but I lied. In early August a paper by a Massachusetts Institute of Technology researcher in the journal Nature showed that hurricanes were 50 percent stronger and lasted 60 percent longer than a generation ago. In early September a Georgia Tech team showed that the number of category 4 and 5 storms had doubled. You've seen the results on every TV screen and magazine cover. Â
Exactly how much more do we need to know? Exactly when are we going to roll up our sleeves and get to work?
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Posted by: Meremark on Oct 25, 2005 1:18 AM
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Collectively, we could elect a slate of 435 seats to the House in '06.
Throw D's and R's aside, run 10 or 100 candidates in every primary -- just people stepping forward and saying I want to run for Congress and my platform is 'Impeach.' Changing our carbon energy release goes against everything corporatism has built --including our 'jobs,' on oil, (which is only a hundred years so the old ways are recent), and shoving aside and working around corrupt entire political parties like D's and R's, (oh, wait, that's one party), is a small matter for focused minds, compared to the big corrupt inertias we have to move aside.
That's it !! MoveOn oughta change to MoveAside.
On an individual scale, we see our own power when we seize the present moment, and give ourselves permission to live right -- mindful and playful, seeing our predicament, seeing our foolishness.
Oh, it is all so large a shift, the whole world. But we've got the internet and we've got each other and that is enough to do it. Rolling up our sleeves may come soon; for now it seems to be rolling out our greetings and to know we know each other.
Here's a FABULOUS introduction piece: "Waiting for the Lights to Go Out."
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Posted by: gpm on Oct 25, 2005 6:30 AM
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Does anybody have the citation for the study that found this?
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Posted by: shim on Oct 25, 2005 6:54 AM
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Either way, I suport further research in this area, but spending billions trying to cut emissions would be an unfortunate use of funds that could, instead, be used to figure out what the cause of global warming is (human-caused or natural process?), whether it's really happening, and whether there's anything we can do about it.
Perhaps, in the end, we should be trying to adapt to these changes in climate instead of fighting them -- especially if the climate change is due to a natural process, in which case there's a good chance we can't affect it either way.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 25, 2005 7:55 AM
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polluted air,birth defects,cancer of mutations. Why? They're
too busy raking in the money for letting these crimes against all Life continue. Big 'Biznuss' pay out large to give us the business. With big Govt playing lapdog and lackey. The answer is simple,STOP ELECTING THESE GREEDY IDIOTS.
I know it's kind of hard to do when the country's election system is rigged. Well screw the ballot machine. Find and make people that are'nt corupt 'write-in' candidates. Every political position can be 'earned' this way. The fact is we got this way because we don't have a 'Non-support' vote on the ballots. That would force any party that wants to be administrater general to make their platforms as well as their actions more broadbased. They're not going to change until most of us are using gas masks to get around. We do have time. NOW! Stop Working For Pollution Plants. Unions start demanding environmentally safe working conditions and emmissions. Elected ones...get off your ass! It's your Great-grand Daughter who'll die from lung ailments you failed to protect her from while you were dealing with lobby-ists' influence money.
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http://www.house.gov/science/press/109/109-131.htm
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The report, "Meeting the Climate Challenge," recently issued by the International Climate Change Task Force, co-chaired by Tony Blair confidant, Stephan Byers, and U.S. Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine states:
"The countdown to climate-change catastrophe is spelt out by a task force of senior politicians, business leaders and academics from around the world -- and it is remarkably brief. In as little as 10 years, or even less, their report indicates, the point of no return with global warming may have been reached… This point will be two degrees centigrade above the average world temperature prevailing in 1750 before the industrial revolution, when human activities -- mainly the production of waste gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), which retain the sun's heat in the atmosphere -- first started to affect the climate. But it points out that global average temperature has already risen by 0.8 degrees since then, with more rises already in the pipeline -- so the world has little more than a single degree of temperature latitude before the crucial point is reached."
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Many Americans have repeatedly asked our Big Oil-beholden government to take constructive action to keep this horror scenario from happening. Instead, the People’s “representatives” are irresponsibly preferring to go down in history as American Neros, helping their industry cronies earn one more fast buck as our ecological house of cards collapses (while constantly issuing shrill warnings about the much lesser danger of terrorism).
As informed voters, We the People, must stand up and defend our planet’s life-sustaining ecological security before it is too late. Future generations (of all species) need us to do our duty and defend them from our own stupidity.
Homo sapiens, indeed!
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What Global Warming Debate?
The scientific consensus is unambiguous: global warming is real and human-influenced, and we can do something about it. Here's what to tell those who suggest otherwise.
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The Energy Crunch To Come
By Michael T. Klare Soaring Oil Profits, Declining Discoveries, and Danger Signs
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There's a LOT more where that came from, but
I shall hereby relinquish the soapbox...
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Today on EWM, a scientific shocker: Study: Euthanizing Right-wing Pundits would Solve Global Warming
But it's just a theory you know...
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Posted by: Farmertim on Oct 25, 2005 7:40 PM
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It is not a given right that we are governed by responsible people and why the hell wait to make change.
Change could start tommorrow morning if people just gave a crap about sacrifice and having to change themselves except electing people to change conditions for them.
its the very reason we are in this situation in the first place, and the government on all levels know this.
things to do that would change the world tommorrow morning!
1. don't buy anything that is made or manufactured overseas
reason carbon emissions, fuel to move it lax regulations in the country that made it.
2. don't eat anything from over seas
reason same as above + 6000 (i think) acres of forrest a day burned for cattle pasture to grow beef that arrives at your store for 1.85 a pound.
3. better yet eat what is grown within 100 miles of where you live.
reason all of the above minus 1315 miles less for your food to travel, plus the gas to transport imigrants to the fields to pick it cheap.
better yet don't buy anything for three days, if only 10% of the US population did this it would throw wal-mart into a coma.
4. car pool.. yes its a pain so is global warming and the idea of telling your grandchildren your sorry for using all the energy when you could have sat next to the guy in a car you really didn't like.
5. change 3 light bulbs in your house to hi effecient bulbs and do that every month till they all are changed.
6. turn the lights you do have that you are not using OFF when not using them
7. don't do christmas lights this year
reason DUH!!! and the 2000 th soldier has died just so you could....
its not hard and it really doesn't hurt to take matters in your own hands and except responsibility for our actions...
lord knows its the last thing elected officials will do any time soon...
be brave, do good work, & keep in touch
Tim
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Collectively, we could elect a slate of 435 seats to the House in '06.
Throw D's and R's aside, run 10 or 100 candidates in every primary -- just people stepping forward and saying I want to run for Congress and my platform is 'Impeach.' Changing our carbon energy release goes against everything corporatism has built --including our 'jobs,' on oil, (which is only a hundred years so the old ways are recent), and shoving aside and working around corrupt entire political parties like D's and R's, (oh, wait, that's one party), is a small matter for focused minds, compared to the big corrupt inertias we have to move aside.
That's it !! MoveOn oughta change to MoveAside.
On an individual scale, we see our own power when we seize the present moment, and give ourselves permission to live right -- mindful and playful, seeing our predicament, seeing our foolishness.
Oh, it is all so large a shift, the whole world. But we've got the internet and we've got each other and that is enough to do it. Rolling up our sleeves may come soon; for now it seems to be rolling out our greetings and to know we know each other.
Here's a FABULOUS introduction piece: "Waiting for the Lights to Go Out."
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Does anybody have the citation for the study that found this?
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Posted by: shim on Oct 25, 2005 6:54 AM
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Either way, I suport further research in this area, but spending billions trying to cut emissions would be an unfortunate use of funds that could, instead, be used to figure out what the cause of global warming is (human-caused or natural process?), whether it's really happening, and whether there's anything we can do about it.
Perhaps, in the end, we should be trying to adapt to these changes in climate instead of fighting them -- especially if the climate change is due to a natural process, in which case there's a good chance we can't affect it either way.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 25, 2005 7:55 AM
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polluted air,birth defects,cancer of mutations. Why? They're
too busy raking in the money for letting these crimes against all Life continue. Big 'Biznuss' pay out large to give us the business. With big Govt playing lapdog and lackey. The answer is simple,STOP ELECTING THESE GREEDY IDIOTS.
I know it's kind of hard to do when the country's election system is rigged. Well screw the ballot machine. Find and make people that are'nt corupt 'write-in' candidates. Every political position can be 'earned' this way. The fact is we got this way because we don't have a 'Non-support' vote on the ballots. That would force any party that wants to be administrater general to make their platforms as well as their actions more broadbased. They're not going to change until most of us are using gas masks to get around. We do have time. NOW! Stop Working For Pollution Plants. Unions start demanding environmentally safe working conditions and emmissions. Elected ones...get off your ass! It's your Great-grand Daughter who'll die from lung ailments you failed to protect her from while you were dealing with lobby-ists' influence money.
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http://www.house.gov/science/press/109/109-131.htm
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Michael J Dalterio
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The report, "Meeting the Climate Challenge," recently issued by the International Climate Change Task Force, co-chaired by Tony Blair confidant, Stephan Byers, and U.S. Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine states:
"The countdown to climate-change catastrophe is spelt out by a task force of senior politicians, business leaders and academics from around the world -- and it is remarkably brief. In as little as 10 years, or even less, their report indicates, the point of no return with global warming may have been reached… This point will be two degrees centigrade above the average world temperature prevailing in 1750 before the industrial revolution, when human activities -- mainly the production of waste gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), which retain the sun's heat in the atmosphere -- first started to affect the climate. But it points out that global average temperature has already risen by 0.8 degrees since then, with more rises already in the pipeline -- so the world has little more than a single degree of temperature latitude before the crucial point is reached."
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Many Americans have repeatedly asked our Big Oil-beholden government to take constructive action to keep this horror scenario from happening. Instead, the People’s “representatives” are irresponsibly preferring to go down in history as American Neros, helping their industry cronies earn one more fast buck as our ecological house of cards collapses (while constantly issuing shrill warnings about the much lesser danger of terrorism).
As informed voters, We the People, must stand up and defend our planet’s life-sustaining ecological security before it is too late. Future generations (of all species) need us to do our duty and defend them from our own stupidity.
Homo sapiens, indeed!
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February 7, 2005
Dropping in on the Apocalypse (incl. link to article/report quoted above)
-----------------------------------------------
linked text
What Global Warming Debate?
The scientific consensus is unambiguous: global warming is real and human-influenced, and we can do something about it. Here's what to tell those who suggest otherwise.
----------------------------------
linked text
The Energy Crunch To Come
By Michael T. Klare Soaring Oil Profits, Declining Discoveries, and Danger Signs
----------------------------------------
linked text
(GRRR -- I can't make the HTML work on this one -- delete anything that comes after /oil/ and the page will load....)
There's a LOT more where that came from, but
I shall hereby relinquish the soapbox...
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Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Oct 25, 2005 4:52 PM
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Today on EWM, a scientific shocker: Study: Euthanizing Right-wing Pundits would Solve Global Warming
But it's just a theory you know...
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Posted by: Farmertim on Oct 25, 2005 7:40 PM
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It is not a given right that we are governed by responsible people and why the hell wait to make change.
Change could start tommorrow morning if people just gave a crap about sacrifice and having to change themselves except electing people to change conditions for them.
its the very reason we are in this situation in the first place, and the government on all levels know this.
things to do that would change the world tommorrow morning!
1. don't buy anything that is made or manufactured overseas
reason carbon emissions, fuel to move it lax regulations in the country that made it.
2. don't eat anything from over seas
reason same as above + 6000 (i think) acres of forrest a day burned for cattle pasture to grow beef that arrives at your store for 1.85 a pound.
3. better yet eat what is grown within 100 miles of where you live.
reason all of the above minus 1315 miles less for your food to travel, plus the gas to transport imigrants to the fields to pick it cheap.
better yet don't buy anything for three days, if only 10% of the US population did this it would throw wal-mart into a coma.
4. car pool.. yes its a pain so is global warming and the idea of telling your grandchildren your sorry for using all the energy when you could have sat next to the guy in a car you really didn't like.
5. change 3 light bulbs in your house to hi effecient bulbs and do that every month till they all are changed.
6. turn the lights you do have that you are not using OFF when not using them
7. don't do christmas lights this year
reason DUH!!! and the 2000 th soldier has died just so you could....
its not hard and it really doesn't hurt to take matters in your own hands and except responsibility for our actions...
lord knows its the last thing elected officials will do any time soon...
be brave, do good work, & keep in touch
Tim
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