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George vs. Jimmy on Energy
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Carter delivered his speech in February 1977. In July 1979, he gave another energy address that came to be called the "malaise" speech because he seemed to be blaming our unwillingness to stem the rising tide of oil imports on a national melancholy. Both speeches, most observers believe, contributed to Ronald Reagan's decisive victory in 1980.
Today the Democrats are ridiculing Bush's lame appeal for Americans to spend less time behind the wheel. The last thing they may want is for someone to point out that 30 years ago their own party's leader made a similar request.
They should want people to understand the similarities. And the differences. Because there is a stark difference in the way this nation confronted an oil crisis when Democrats were in control compared to the way it has now that Republicans dominate.
President Carter was indeed asking for individual sacrifice; but as a small part of an aggressive, national campaign. President Bush is asking for individual sacrifice instead of an aggressive campaign.
By the time Jimmy Carter gave his first energy speech, the Democratic Congress had already (under Gerald Ford) imposed fuel efficiency standards on cars. That law single-handedly doubled the fuel efficiency of new cars from 1975 to 1987. In 1978, Carter and a Democratic Congress enacted five individual energy laws that launched the commercialization of alternative transportation fuels and renewable electricity sources. And they imposed efficiency standards on an array of major appliances.
In 1980, Carter and the Democratic Senate and House passed energy legislation that contained a credible and coherent strategy for reducing our dependence on imported oil.
Few Americans remember the Democratic response to the doubling of oil prices in 1979 and 1980. One reason is that within months Ronald Reagan came into office and Republicans gained control of the Senate. They immediately tried to overturn all major energy legislation. That initiative failed. But the executive branch effectively dismantled virtually all renewable energy and energy efficiency programs.
Twenty-six years later, it might be instructive to review what Jimmy Carter said in 1979 and compare it to any energy speech George W. Bush has ever given. President Carter began,
Ten days ago I had planned to speak to you again about a very important subject -- energy. For the fifth time I would have described the urgency of the problem and laid out a series of legislative recommendations to the Congress. But as I was preparing to speak, I began to ask myself the same question that I now know has been troubling many of you. Why have we not been able to get together as a nation to resolve our serious energy problem?He had set his speech aside, he noted, and met with hundreds of individuals. He quoted from many of them, and concluded that Americans had lost confidence in their capacity to act collectively to solve their problems.
But Carter was not there to dwell on our malaise but to present a strategy for overcoming it. He turned to the issue at hand.
Energy will be the immediate test of our ability to unite this nation, and it can also be the standard around which we rally. On the battlefield of energy we can win for our nation a new confidence, and we can seize control again of our common destiny. ... It can rekindle our sense of unity, our confidence in the future, and give our nation and all of us individually a new sense of purpose.President Carter offered a series of individual actions. First he established a clear goal. "Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation." By the end of the 1980s, he anticipated that the nation would cut "our dependence on foreign oil by one-half."
To achieve these goals he asked for "the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun."
He observed that while all Americans were suffering from higher energy prices, some of us were suffering much more. "Our nation must be fair to the poorest among us, so we will increase aid to needy Americans to cope with rising energy prices...."
Carter recognized this effort would be costly. To pay for it he proposed a windfall profits tax on the enormous profits oil companies were making because of OPEC-inspired rises in oil prices: "Congress must enact the windfall profits tax without delay. It will be money well spent. Unlike the billions of dollars that we ship to foreign countries to pay for foreign oil, these funds will be paid by Americans to Americans."
In 1980, Congress enacted much of what Jimmy Carter proposed. Within months, Ronald Reagan entered office, and immediately set about dismantling or dramatically cutting back most of the programs. He taught us that we should never act collectively, that government was the problem, not the solution. The energy crisis subsided. As a result of the severe worldwide economic downturn in 1981 and 1982, the price of oil dropped in half. A dependence on imported oil didn't seem so important. The nation dropped back into lethargy.
Fast forward to 2005. The price of oil again doubles. As a result of hurricanes we again have long lines at gas stations. The Republican-controlled Congress passes an energy bill. But unlike the energy legislation of the late 1970s, this one does not target imported oil. Indeed, the major difference of opinion between the Republican Senate and the Republican House is that the former wanted to include in the bill a goal, not of reducing our dependence on imported oil, but of slightly reducing the rate at which that dependence would increase. The House refused to even mention in the energy bill that a reduction in our use of oil might be a good thing. The House won.
In 2002, California enacted legislation that would require new cars sold in that state to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. The Bush administration has joined with the car companies in trying to overturn that law. Their argument? To achieve greenhouse gas reductions, car companies will have to raise the fuel efficiency of their cars. And only the federal government has the authority over vehicle fuel efficiency. The Republicans' argument is that even when the federal government refuses to do anything to reduce our consumption of gasoline, the state governments cannot step in.
"There will be no increase in energy efficiency standards on our watch," seems to be the Republican motto. Give me Jimmy Carter in a cardigan sweater any day.
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Posted by: ScottP on Sep 30, 2005 8:40 AM
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Bravo for reminding me of the good old days when the government helped us conserve and develop alternative energy. Keep the dream alive, and let's make it reality in 2006.
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Oct 3, 2005 9:24 AM
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When Cheney held his discussions to develop a new energy policy only members of the oil industry were invited. When subsidies are doled out to the the energy sector, the lion's share goes to the non-sustainable sector. No bid contracts worth billions of dollars have been offered to Haliburton, a gaint oil servicing corporation. The Bush family has ties to the royal family in Saudi Arabia. Bush has staffed all the major environmental agencies with enemies of the environment.
So do not expect more than a hollow sermon from the mount from this president who believes that politics is about serving your friends and not the public. Also, I think it is safe to say that Bush has not read widely on environmental issues. The only way in which Bush excels at saving energy is by taking many long vacations and not working too hard.
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Posted by: Pooty T on Oct 3, 2005 9:40 AM
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On the battlefield of energy we can win for our nation a new confidence, and we can seize control again of our common destiny.
You think he was speaking figuratively here? How about here (same speech):
An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.
Carter said we need a huge commitment of tax dollars "to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas". Who do you think those tax dollars were going to???????? How is that different from what Bush is doing today? (Huge payouts to EXXON and the rest to expand their business)
Yeah, Carter talked a good game -- maybe he even tried to do the right thing. But at the end of the day it was the same: the Wall Street / CIA - military industrial complex was, and still is, in control of the situation.
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Posted by: aedwards on Oct 3, 2005 11:51 AM
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So, why aren't we developing cold fusion?
anyone?
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Posted by: Halaby on Oct 3, 2005 2:28 PM
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I never bought into the car Culture, and in the last few years, I have come to strongly oppose it. Last year, I considered that the car culture in America tended to reinforce arrogant behavior. However, any culture arises to express a given people's values. Car culture is the culture of an arrogant people. Americans generally hold alternatives to their commercial culture in contempt. Conservation, the humility of adjusting to your local climate, recycling, modest lifestyles, and especially WALKING, RIDING A BUS, OR RIDING A BIKE are despised as "unreasonable" in today's world, but basically because these actions are perceived as the actions of the poor and weak.
The two main architects of the car culture are Ford and Hitler, and the two were a mutual admiration society.
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Posted by: davidt on Oct 3, 2005 4:02 PM
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Does anyone remember what kind of reaction Carter got from this speech from the media?
"Amercans don't like to be told what to do" "This will never fly, Americans like their cars" "America has plenty of oil and always will, Carter is a fool!" "Just like a liberal Democrat, wanting to waste money on another useless spending program while hurting American business."
Now George-boy tells us not to drive so much and conserve fuel while his compassionate gods-on-earth patriots in Big Oil tear up Alaska to help alleviate the energy pinch. How does he get away with it? Why we are at war, we all have to make sacrifices. Some WE dudes.
Peak Oil has passed and every second we dither about where to drill for more puts another nail in our coffins.
BTW, our energy salvation aka the Caspian Basin is a big bust. The oil is low quality, low quantity, over-dispersed and UNprofitable--BP has PULLED OUT AND GONE HOME!
Peak Oil means that we are now in deep shit. We are on the way down to the end of the cycle of extraction. In America it happeded about 1977. In the Middle East it happened this year. All of the oil companies know about it, that is why they are merging, hence Exxon-Mobil, BP-Sunoco etc. This is the only way that they can maintain shareholder premiums. They are buying up diversifieds like scared rabbits.
This is also why we have a co-dependent relationship with the Saudi royals. We let them fund terrorists in our own country and launder their millions while maintaining an extremely unstable monarchy with our military and they guarantee us oil as long as it can be pumped.
FDR cooked up this Pact with the Devil when Great Britain went bankrupt fighting WWII. He secretly met with a Saudi Royal on a small boat in the middle of nowhere. Another Typical Nowhere, anyone know where Bretton Wood is? New Hampshire.
However, we can take some simple steps to postpone the inevitable: drive at 50 mph, walk when possible, eat with a conscience to stay healthy--mitigate the salt, fat & sugar.
Oops! Pardon my sermon, America.
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Posted by: kelly.nickell on Oct 3, 2005 9:29 PM
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Grind them all up and burn the squeezins.
Global production of sweet crude peaked in 2001.
Refineries are geared to cracking sweet, not med/heavy sour.
But since this bunch of assholes has more or less thrown science out the window, I guess we're stuck with some sort of intelligent design, or perhaps it will just create itself, and if we are all nice, perhaps even God will fucking kick in.
GFL.
I pray for an ice age whereas the entire Bush family and all of its supporters are crushed under an ice flow. Mashed for millions of years under the tumbling dirt of time, encased in anticlines for some future Chellmobexico exec to exploit for Cheneys ribald family of spooks to proffer from yet again.
I would love to be burning bushaline in my Hummer. Such a great branch chain hydrocarbon as that! A thousand miles to the gallon due to the complexities of the shit that created it. A cracking problem, but prayer will fix it.
Methane for a million years, just think of it. Intelligent design taken to its absurd conclusion in the search for another source of fuel.
I think I’ll just sit here and light my own farts for a while, perhaps something better will strike. And excuse me for wasting your time, it was just a flash.
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Posted by: Ljay on Oct 5, 2005 10:09 PM
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Ronald Reagan, repealed it along with other 'taxes' as a tax cutting measure, however, he misled the people. The WPT was designed to become revenue nuetral over time. It was designed to adjust the incentives of an oligopolistic market, to more a rational basis.
At this time, there is a definite incentive to produce less of everything when it come to oil, because the less produced, the more money the producers make. Under the WPT, the less propduced the less money the producers make.
We now have reduced refining capacity. And the hurricanes knocked a lot of the existing capacity. So the oil companies are able to jack up the price of refined oil and gasoline with impunity. If the excess profits made by the windfall was taxed away and profits of the oil companies would fall when the refineries were off line, you can bet that we would have plenty of back-up capacity. Those greedy oil companies would never allow their profits to fall simply because they couldn't get refined products to market.
Where is Jimmy when we really need him?
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Posted by: ScottP on Sep 30, 2005 8:40 AM
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Bravo for reminding me of the good old days when the government helped us conserve and develop alternative energy. Keep the dream alive, and let's make it reality in 2006.
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Oct 3, 2005 9:24 AM
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When Cheney held his discussions to develop a new energy policy only members of the oil industry were invited. When subsidies are doled out to the the energy sector, the lion's share goes to the non-sustainable sector. No bid contracts worth billions of dollars have been offered to Haliburton, a gaint oil servicing corporation. The Bush family has ties to the royal family in Saudi Arabia. Bush has staffed all the major environmental agencies with enemies of the environment.
So do not expect more than a hollow sermon from the mount from this president who believes that politics is about serving your friends and not the public. Also, I think it is safe to say that Bush has not read widely on environmental issues. The only way in which Bush excels at saving energy is by taking many long vacations and not working too hard.
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Posted by: Pooty T on Oct 3, 2005 9:40 AM
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On the battlefield of energy we can win for our nation a new confidence, and we can seize control again of our common destiny.
You think he was speaking figuratively here? How about here (same speech):
An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.
Carter said we need a huge commitment of tax dollars "to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas". Who do you think those tax dollars were going to???????? How is that different from what Bush is doing today? (Huge payouts to EXXON and the rest to expand their business)
Yeah, Carter talked a good game -- maybe he even tried to do the right thing. But at the end of the day it was the same: the Wall Street / CIA - military industrial complex was, and still is, in control of the situation.
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Posted by: aedwards on Oct 3, 2005 11:51 AM
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So, why aren't we developing cold fusion?
anyone?
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Posted by: Halaby on Oct 3, 2005 2:28 PM
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I never bought into the car Culture, and in the last few years, I have come to strongly oppose it. Last year, I considered that the car culture in America tended to reinforce arrogant behavior. However, any culture arises to express a given people's values. Car culture is the culture of an arrogant people. Americans generally hold alternatives to their commercial culture in contempt. Conservation, the humility of adjusting to your local climate, recycling, modest lifestyles, and especially WALKING, RIDING A BUS, OR RIDING A BIKE are despised as "unreasonable" in today's world, but basically because these actions are perceived as the actions of the poor and weak.
The two main architects of the car culture are Ford and Hitler, and the two were a mutual admiration society.
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Posted by: davidt on Oct 3, 2005 4:02 PM
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Does anyone remember what kind of reaction Carter got from this speech from the media?
"Amercans don't like to be told what to do" "This will never fly, Americans like their cars" "America has plenty of oil and always will, Carter is a fool!" "Just like a liberal Democrat, wanting to waste money on another useless spending program while hurting American business."
Now George-boy tells us not to drive so much and conserve fuel while his compassionate gods-on-earth patriots in Big Oil tear up Alaska to help alleviate the energy pinch. How does he get away with it? Why we are at war, we all have to make sacrifices. Some WE dudes.
Peak Oil has passed and every second we dither about where to drill for more puts another nail in our coffins.
BTW, our energy salvation aka the Caspian Basin is a big bust. The oil is low quality, low quantity, over-dispersed and UNprofitable--BP has PULLED OUT AND GONE HOME!
Peak Oil means that we are now in deep shit. We are on the way down to the end of the cycle of extraction. In America it happeded about 1977. In the Middle East it happened this year. All of the oil companies know about it, that is why they are merging, hence Exxon-Mobil, BP-Sunoco etc. This is the only way that they can maintain shareholder premiums. They are buying up diversifieds like scared rabbits.
This is also why we have a co-dependent relationship with the Saudi royals. We let them fund terrorists in our own country and launder their millions while maintaining an extremely unstable monarchy with our military and they guarantee us oil as long as it can be pumped.
FDR cooked up this Pact with the Devil when Great Britain went bankrupt fighting WWII. He secretly met with a Saudi Royal on a small boat in the middle of nowhere. Another Typical Nowhere, anyone know where Bretton Wood is? New Hampshire.
However, we can take some simple steps to postpone the inevitable: drive at 50 mph, walk when possible, eat with a conscience to stay healthy--mitigate the salt, fat & sugar.
Oops! Pardon my sermon, America.
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Posted by: kelly.nickell on Oct 3, 2005 9:29 PM
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Grind them all up and burn the squeezins.
Global production of sweet crude peaked in 2001.
Refineries are geared to cracking sweet, not med/heavy sour.
But since this bunch of assholes has more or less thrown science out the window, I guess we're stuck with some sort of intelligent design, or perhaps it will just create itself, and if we are all nice, perhaps even God will fucking kick in.
GFL.
I pray for an ice age whereas the entire Bush family and all of its supporters are crushed under an ice flow. Mashed for millions of years under the tumbling dirt of time, encased in anticlines for some future Chellmobexico exec to exploit for Cheneys ribald family of spooks to proffer from yet again.
I would love to be burning bushaline in my Hummer. Such a great branch chain hydrocarbon as that! A thousand miles to the gallon due to the complexities of the shit that created it. A cracking problem, but prayer will fix it.
Methane for a million years, just think of it. Intelligent design taken to its absurd conclusion in the search for another source of fuel.
I think I’ll just sit here and light my own farts for a while, perhaps something better will strike. And excuse me for wasting your time, it was just a flash.
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Posted by: Ljay on Oct 5, 2005 10:09 PM
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Ronald Reagan, repealed it along with other 'taxes' as a tax cutting measure, however, he misled the people. The WPT was designed to become revenue nuetral over time. It was designed to adjust the incentives of an oligopolistic market, to more a rational basis.
At this time, there is a definite incentive to produce less of everything when it come to oil, because the less produced, the more money the producers make. Under the WPT, the less propduced the less money the producers make.
We now have reduced refining capacity. And the hurricanes knocked a lot of the existing capacity. So the oil companies are able to jack up the price of refined oil and gasoline with impunity. If the excess profits made by the windfall was taxed away and profits of the oil companies would fall when the refineries were off line, you can bet that we would have plenty of back-up capacity. Those greedy oil companies would never allow their profits to fall simply because they couldn't get refined products to market.
Where is Jimmy when we really need him?
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