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Goodbye To All That Oil
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Fifty years ago, geologist M. King Hubbert showed that the output of an oilfield, or indeed the oil production of an entire country, increases year by year up to the point (a "peak") at which approximately half the oil is exhausted. From there, he said, annual output drops inexorably toward zero.
Hubbert hit the bullseye with his prediction that U.S. production would peak in 1970. And over the past half century, country after country has seen its oil production hit a peak and start dropping. Yet for decades, economists, petroleum executives and government officials refused to follow Hubbert's analysis to its logical conclusion – that in the easily foreseeable future, humanity will pass over a global peak of oil production, where there awaits a very grim, slippery slope.
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| The Hubbert Curve, designed by geophysicist M. King Hubbert, illustrates that over time, the rate of oil production rises and then falls in a bell-shape pattern. |
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Colin Campbell of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas (ASPO) predicts that production will begin its decline between now and 2010.
British Petroleum exploration consultant Francis Harper believes it will happen between 2010 and 2020. Consulting firm PFC Energy puts it at around 2010 to 2015. The publication Petroleum Review predicts that demand will outstrip supply in 2007. Richard Heinberg, author of the 2003 book, The Party's Over: Oil, War, and the Fate of Industrial Societies, expects a peak in 2007 or 2008.
Retired Princeton professor Kenneth Deffeyes, author of the just-published, Beyond Oil: The View from Hubbert's Peak is more pessimistic, and more specific, about when the peak will happen: Thanksgiving Day, 2005. (His tongue appears to be in his cheek regarding the day, but not the year).
If all that is too gloomy for you, energy consultant Michael Lynch maintains that there's no peak in sight for "the next 20 or 30 years." Peter Odell of Erasmus University in the Netherlands has tacked a full 30 years onto Deffeyes' grim prediction, setting a date of Thanksgiving 2035. And Uncle Sam has the cheeriest news of all: a peak year of 2037 forecast by the Department of Energy.
Now how many times has someone told you, "Oh, yeah, all my life they've been saying the oil's about to run out, and it hasn't done it yet"? In fact, the record of oil forecasting has not been an exercise in Chicken-Littlism.
Asking, "When will oil peak and begin its decline?" (not, "When will it run out?"), the prognosticators of the past came up with dates only five to 10 years ahead of many of today's predictions. Roger Bentley of the University of Reading found that in the 1970s – during the last outbreak of peak-oil fever – analysts from "reputable organizations" (including Esso, Shell, the UK Department of Energy, and the U.N., as well as Hubbert himself) were nearly unanimous in predicting a world oil peak somewhere around the year 2000.
Does the peak year even matter?
With oil prices soaring, economic logic says the sooner the peak's date can be nailed down, the better. Financial web sites are buzzing about it, but in a somewhat merrier key than the peak-oil sites. One research firm is even forecasting production peaks for individual oil companies, with obvious implications for stock values.
On the other hand, if we're more concerned about improving humanity's prospects in 2010 or 2037 than Wall Street's prospects at the close of trading tomorrow, then one prediction is probably as good as another. In designing an energy policy that can be sustained far into the post-petroleum future, the precise timing of the peak is of about as much practical importance as the date of the next total eclipse of the sun (on that forecast, astronomers agree: March 29, 2006).
A recent report prepared for the U.S. government by Science Applications International Corporation suggests that whatever the peak year turns out to be, 2005 is the time to get moving on energy policy. The report's lead author, Robert L. Hirsch, concluded that strong action must be taken at least 10, and preferably 20 years before we reach a world oil peak, if we are to avoid "a long period of significant economic hardship worldwide."
If Hirsch is right, and if peak-oil analysts like Campbell and Deffeyes have correctly predicted a peak before 2010, we're in serious trouble already. Even with bold, immediate moves to wean ourselves from oil, "significant economic hardship" is probably the very best we can hope for.
But even if the DOE's own rosy forecast of a 2037 peak is to prove on target, we're left with little time for leisurely Sunday drives. Initiating, in Hirsch's words, "crash program mitigation 20 years before peaking" in a thoroughly oil-addicted country will require at least a decade of political action just to get started.
Shrinking supplies of oil could actually help mitigate this century's other looming crisis: global warming. There too, the clock is ticking. In a 2002 paper in the journal Science, 18 eminent researchers urged massive, immediate investment in a diverse array of new, unproven non-fossil-fuel technologies if we're to supply the world's energy needs with no net carbon emissions, even by the year 2050.
And energy's not the whole story. One example: To supply the total current U.S. production of plastics, synthetic fibers and rubber, solvents, and other petrochemicals using biomass (plant-derived materials) instead of petroleum would consume the entire net annual growth of all the nation's forests – and we're already using that wood for other purposes.
Supply, demand, and physical reality
Debates among peak-of-production soothsayers and their critics remain unsettled because a crucial quantity – the precise amount of oil still in the ground worldwide – remains unknown. Nevertheless, two things are becoming more and more clear: Vast new oilfields just don't seem to be out there, and in existing fields, producers are getting less and less bang for the buck. The oil still in the ground will prove a lot harder to suck out than the oil that's already been pumped and burned.
In those fields first discovered and exploited in the past century, the oil was almost as easy and cheap to extract as Jed Clampett's bubblin' crude. But with many of the fields in production today, oil has to be brought from greater depths, requiring a lot more energy and often necessitating injection of water, steam or various gases.
Such methods may be wrecking mature fields, causing them to dry up more quickly. Energy investment banker Matthew Simmons has been saying that overpumping may already have damaged oilfields in Saudi Arabia and Iran, rendering vast amounts of oil unrecoverable.
In 2000, operators of Mexico's largest oilfield began injecting nitrogen gas into wells. As a result, they temporarily achieved a much higher extraction rate. But this year, the field fell prematurely into permanent decline.
The size of world reserves is not only unknown, it's beyond our control. With that quantity fixed, the chief way for humans to stretch out the oil curve is to cut the rate of consumption. Fast-rising demand in the world's two largest countries, China and India, is said to be worsening the current oil crunch, but before we in the West point fingers, it's important to remember that one average American consumes as much oil as 35 citizens of India.
For decades, Prof. Albert Bartlett of the University of Colorado has been calling attention to the ability of conservation to extend the life of a resource. For example, assume that the nation of West Vehicula calculates that it has about 60 years worth of oil in the ground, given that it's planning to increase consumption at 4 percent per year. Bartlett's simple calculations show that the Vehiculans could stretch the lifetime of that resource to more than 300 years by holding consumption growth to zero.
Won't the problem take care of itself? As prices rise, people will voluntarily cut consumption, right? Well, in a 2003 article, energy economist Andrew McKillop showed that at least during the 1990s, the opposite happened. Each time oil prices rose, world demand rose within six-12 months. And over on the far side of Hubbert's peak, it will be physical reality, not economics, that governs consumption. With supply shrinking year by year, every barrel that comes out of the ground will likely be burned lickety-split.
The view from the top
Environmentalists may be tempted to anticipate an ever-worsening scarcity of oil as just the thing to shock America into conservation and serious development of alternative energy. But what if – and this is not hard at all to envision – the peak prompts a worldwide fossil-fuel rush instead?
Expensive, energy-inefficient and environmentally disastrous efforts to exploit oil and tar sands in Canada, Venezuela and elsewhere could be cranked up to full speed. The militarization of American society could become total, as the government's chief mission becomes control of oil across the globe. (The number-one target, of course, would be the Persian Gulf, where resides 63 percent of the world's remaining oil.) And we would likely exploit our large coal reserves in a big way, breaking new global-warming records as we go.
The best alternative to that nightmare is renewable energy. Geologist Walter Youngquist, author of the 1997 book, Geodestinies, has taken a hard-headed look at the inventory of alternatives to fossil fuels and concluded that to make them work, we'll have to put an end to our profligate ways. He paints a picture of a frugal, restrained society very different from the one we've lived in on the upslope of the oil curve.
Yes, peak oil's in the news, but it's only beginning to seep into the national conciousness. Maybe we'll know the idea is really catching on when Hollywood gets interested. But by the time The Day After the Peak hits your local cineplex, it might turn out to be a reality show.
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Posted by: robedal on Apr 4, 2005 5:42 AM
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Even if global warming didn't exist one can contrast the behaviour of China and the U.S. China is taking a longer term view, making deals and investing in oil production areas around the world, with a view to ensuring supplies for the future. In contast the U.S. has invaded Iraq using an obviously false pretext, is threatening Iran, and tried unsucessfully to foster a coup in Venezuela
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Posted by: yeimaya on Apr 4, 2005 7:03 AM
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It would really help me if your articles focused as much time on what is being done to create hope (even if only a glimmer) as they do on dour circumstances that are so so clear to most of us already.
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Posted by: jhenn on Apr 4, 2005 7:20 AM
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For my part, I just got a Jetta Diesel that gets about 45mpg and runs on biodiesel. And I am planning to make my own biodiesel.
Biodiesel is made from methanol and vegetable oil, so it is completely renewable and supports US agriculture. And any modern diesel engine will happily sip its veggies!
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Posted by: rjp on Apr 4, 2005 7:36 AM
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As the article above points out, slowing demand growth is the most critical factor. Personal life-style changes are honorable, but insufficient, especially with the Bushies denial-based energy policies. (They just cut rewewable energy R&D by $48 million and increased the war budget by 48 billion.)
What's the solution? I don't know. I've been in a funk since November 3. I fear that it will take a climate catastrophe to get this country (and much of the rest of the world) to take these matters seriously. But even then, chan
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Posted by: Dori on Apr 4, 2005 7:56 AM
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If members of Congress know about Hubbert's research why have they not taken immediate emergency measures to stop the trend in the automotive industry toward gas guzzling SUV's and the even worse Humvee?
One reason for squelching the facts is that discussion would develop about the end game oil strategies. Americans might then realize the danger of having oil executives in charge of foreign and military policies.
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Posted by: Virgilioperez on Apr 4, 2005 7:59 AM
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a) Take mass transit, if available in your area....particularly for long commutes.
b)Use Hybrid cars (many models are available now, including SUV´s).....an added bonus is that they are fun to drive
c) Bicycle riding is a lot of fun...great exercise.
Here in Atlanta, the city that has the 5th worst traffic congestion in the US, there is ample opportunity to do all of these three activities...and yet we still see too few people helping out.....We can complain and leave it at that or we can do something small, it may seem, but as explained in the book "the tipping point"....seemingly insiginificant events can help create a massive wave....towards less dependence on oil
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Posted by: nakis on Apr 4, 2005 8:55 AM
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But it will mean nothing without election reform and media reform. Far too many people are clueless and careless. Bush and several automakers are suing California to repeal their new law mandating cleaner vehicles.
Frankly, even if Kerry did win over the neocon cheating and lies he still wouldn't have done what we need to have done.
I have to echo what's been said already here, it's up to the people.
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Posted by: BearDawg on Apr 4, 2005 9:00 AM
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this whole senario reminds me of december 31, 1999 when there were thousands of idiots in line at walmart wanting to buy bottled water before the y2k disaster came upon us. true, y2k disaster never happened, but people didn't pay any attention to it until the very last minute. let's you and i be more attentive.
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Posted by: Aroux on Apr 4, 2005 9:04 AM
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That is, the complexity of our problems requires emergent innovation. That requires a critical mass of interaction, feedback, and pattern recognition. Without combining the left and right, these conditions remain unmet.
There are two options for how change will come. The most probable is that a terrible event will leave us unable to remember who supported big business and who didn't. The other, much less likely, is that we on the left could overcome our fear and anger, justified as it is, and birth a movement to bring both sides together to respectfully listen to each other.
Since I see the left as equally self righteous as the right, the crisis scenario seems more likely. Therefore, I long for the collapse of oil. The longer it takes to arrive, the mo
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Posted by: thehousedog on Apr 4, 2005 10:17 AM
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See, religion, oil and politics are all connected and that is why nothing will be done by our government, big business or the majority of Americans who "know" that prosperity, cheap oil (ANWR not withstanding) and heaven are just around the corner.
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Posted by: gherron on Apr 4, 2005 10:21 AM
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“The direct cost per kilowatt-hour of power generated by winds of at least 14 miles per hour is 2.9 to 3.9 cents, according to a 2001 article in Science by Jacobson and Gilbert Masters, an emeritus professor (teaching) of civil and environmental engineering. That cost competes with that of power produced at new plants utilizing coal (3.5 to 4 cents) or natural gas (3.3 to 3.6 cents). Mighty winds might breathe clean, renewable power into the grid, which in 1999 relied on coal (51 percent) and natural gas (15 percent) to generate 66 percent of U.S. electric power.”
The rest of my rather informative comment had to be edited out f
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Posted by: socrates2 on Apr 4, 2005 11:53 AM
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I can only assume that everyone who posted these thoughtful comments has done two things recently:a) written a column to their local paper highlighting this crisis and alternatives to the fossil-fuel addicted lifestyle.
b) voted/campaigned for a statesman who believes that the oil industry's days of influence in our culture are numbered.
This is a democracy and the First Amendment is _still_ our weapon of choice.
Otherwise, guys, we are preaching to the choir and spinning our wheels...
Keep it up.
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Posted by: Kanefire on Apr 4, 2005 12:38 PM
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by Jeremy Rifkin
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Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil --
by Catherine Austin Fitts (Foreword), Michael C. Ruppert ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------
The first gives an idea of what we could do and the second gives an idea of why we aren't.
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Posted by: tscox on Apr 4, 2005 2:14 PM
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Scientific American
where Matthew Wald argues that to curb global warming, we're better off using hydrogen in stationary settings, where it can displace coal, instead of oil. And even if we erected vast square miles worth of solar arrays to generate hydrogen to run cars, we'd have to run them on something. Just to meet the US annual paving needs with renewable biological products instead of petroleum would require one-third of out entire forest growth every year. The automobile economy just isn't supportable.
Stan Cox
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Posted by: billschwalb on Apr 4, 2005 3:16 PM
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They need to be called on it!
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Posted by: floopmeister on Apr 4, 2005 4:20 PM
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It think it's a mistake to assume that nothing can be done if the US doesn't do it first - the rest of the world is quietly sidelining the US in many areas because, after the last election, there's no other choice.
Russia is discussing selling its oil in Euros, as is Venezuela (and that country is planning to sell what it used to sell to the US to China). Canada is negotiating with China to build a pipeline to the west and sell up to a third of their
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Posted by: floopmeister on Apr 4, 2005 4:21 PM
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China and India has stitched up the oil and gas reserves of Iran, along with the Europeans. Using the Euro as a second oil currency spells the end of the party for the US dollar - it is not coincidental that Iraq was the first country to start selling oil in Euros.
Guys - I hope the progressive voice in the US can help to change your country for the better. But don't make the mistake of thinking that's the only hope for the world. It's not - other countries are neither helpless nor passive in this situation. We are moving into a multipolar world, and the decline of the US is becoming more accepted and studied.
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Posted by: flashfast on Apr 4, 2005 4:30 PM
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Vast oil deposits have been discovered in Australia, capped, buried and marked on a map. Before howling your cries of impossible let me tell you my story, and then make up your own mind.
Oil In Australia?
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Posted by: peter on Apr 4, 2005 7:00 PM
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Solution: You may not like it!
1. Nuclear ( 3000 years with a breeder , 300 without )
2. Coal (200 year supply )
3. massive conservation
4. Less cars and trucks, more rail
5. Wind and solar only about 20 %
6. Magic should take us the rest of the way.
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Posted by: kattmann on Apr 4, 2005 7:45 PM
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Lets see ads for wind,solar systems on tv during prime time. If we can send solar powered machines to mars and have them last twice as long as they were designed, we can put solar panels on 75% of American homes for the same price. Get the oil companies out of position of control over these alt energy supplies, such as writing the regulations.
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Posted by: philonthehill on Apr 5, 2005 3:34 AM
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Posted by: geranium on Apr 5, 2005 10:36 AM
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The need to decrease general consumption drastically is obvious. But most oil consumption happens pre-consumer: in making plastics, in transporting goods, in military efforts. I don't think all that infrastructure is going to change until it absolutely has no choice. As for what you and I can do, we can decrease our need for infrastructure itself. Those who are already cultivating their own energy, food and/or transportation needs are already doing this.
If we lessen our demand on the environment (by consuming less and using less wasteful methods in general) and focus on growing things like hemp that were tried and true in older land-based cultures, wouldn't that give us a distinct advantage in um, sustaining our existence? Not that you can convince the apocalyptic nut jobs who populate much of the u.s. to think in these terms, but I don't exactly mind of they don't make it into the post-oil era with us.
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Posted by: geranium on Apr 5, 2005 10:41 AM
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Posted by: floopmeister on Apr 5, 2005 4:32 PM
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We also have refused to sign the Kyoto agreement along with you guys.
However, there is a lot of alternative stuff happening, particularly with solar. Let's face it - this country is primarily a continent-sized flat hot plate...
The other interesting fact I found out recently is that the most car obsessed country in the world is New Zealand - according to a global poll. Went there a few weeks ago on holiday and the traffic jams in Auckland are insane. Bugger all public transport.
Probably one of the few areas in which the Kiwis are not miles ahead of everyone else...
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Posted by: jearls on Apr 5, 2005 4:49 PM
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analysts have pointed out that retirement fund insurers and other unlikelies are now investing in oil shares as a "sure thing", and these investments can only increase as the prices rise.
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Posted by: maclean on Apr 9, 2005 2:08 PM
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According to geologists, we have consumed about half of the oil the Earth has to offer thus far. Even if we stopped consuming oil "cold turkey" we would see our habbit's lasting effects for decades to come. Instead, we will probably end up burning most of the fossil fuels that lie hidden in the Earth before the end of the century (ie. at an excellerated rate). God only knows what permanent effects this will have on the environment, and whether it will constitute a hospitable environment for life or civilisation as we know it.
It sounds pessimistic, I know, but i don't hear much reverberation in the realm of daily life to convince me that the fog of oil addiction is being cleared away. Where is the mainstream environmental movement? It's late. It has been kidnapped. My guess is that a massive response will only follow serious hardship, or the leadership of an empassioned visionary who might stir us out of the complacency of habbit. Are there any likely candidates?
Those who have converted to a renewable energy lifestyle will enjoy the fruits of their own wisdom and foresight, but unless their practices catch on with the rest of the consuming world, they will be affected also. Climate change knows no boundaries, and does not discriminate.
Meanwhile most of us enjoy the peak of abundant energy. Soon the party will be over, and our children will have to clean up after us.
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Posted by: pattiz1122 on Apr 10, 2005 10:42 AM
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Dear Mike,
The following is a copy of an email that I have sent to some of my friends today. I also sent it to Senator Kerry, the "stupid white men" of the DNC, as well as other senators and congressmen in my state of California. Please let me know if you can help me disseminate this information.
Thank you,
Patti Zahn
CALL TO ACTION
ps: this topic is very important to me, so I'm asking anyone who wants too help me send a world wide internet address regarding the PRICE of OIL, thus GAS, which willl in turn raise the prices of ALL GOODS and SERVICES for people of ALL incomes around the world. I"M PISSED!! Let's call for a WORLD WIDE WORK STOPPAGE, let's call it an "ENERGY DAY", then maybe the PRICE of our GAS will go down.. As long as we continue to pay these outrageous prices the PRICE OF OIL will continue to RISE. Who benefits from this? The Bush Family, Bin Laden Family, The Saudi's , do I need to go any further. Did your WAGES increase by 25% over the past two weeks? Well neither did mine. PLEASE FELLOW AMERICANS AND GLOBAL COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD. SAY NO TO THE PRICE OF OIL.
HAVE MONDAY'S OF EVERY WEEK STARTING MONDAY, APRIL 12, 2005, SET FORTH AS "ENERGY DAY", DON'T GO TO WORK, DON'T DRIVE AND DON'T BUY GAS ON MONDAY'S, until the PRICE of OIL is cut back worldwide.
MAKE A STATEMENT
CANCEL YOUR SUMMER VACATION PLANS NOW
CALL YOUR AIRLINE
HOTELS
CAR RENTAL AGENCIES
JUST SAY NO!!!
WE ARE ALL BEING SCREWED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION. STAND UP AND SAY "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I WON'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!"
Please send this email to all of your friends, business acquaintances, family, and neighbors. WE OUTNUMBER THEM. There are approximately 99% of US and only 1% of THEM.
Respectfully
Patti,
pzahn1122@charter.net
FORWARD THIS TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN/WOMAN AND SENATOR'S.
just copy and paste
Respectfully,
Patti Zahn
pzahn1122@charter.net
Respectfully,
Patti Zahn
pzahn1122@charter.net
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Posted by: Jon Koppenhoefer on Apr 25, 2005 6:14 PM
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Assuming Hubbert's Peak arrives soon--and I believe it will--what is being done to provide for the continued production of these commodities, assuming they are valuable or even necessary?
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Posted by: dreamwizard on Sep 14, 2005 7:57 PM
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1. In the western world up to 75% of the price of fuel is tax. While your governments face is concerned and careing it is secretly lapping up the bugetary surplass. Think of it as a tax increase.This is the Governmental ME ME ME effect, wherebye, low and behold, money is the key incentive. The quickest way to cut the cost of fuel is to cut the tax associated with it. Given an unexpected 25-35% hike in oil prices then the tax contribution should be able to be cut by a similar ammount without effecting the chancellors predictions over the current financial year. You might note that no matter which political party you have voted for in your individual countries, not one of them has made this sacrifice. Hmm
2. While we jump up and down protesting the excesive greed of a few men, how many of us are looking at the realities of the situation and taking steps to aleviate the strain on the worlds natural resourses. A few thousand greeneys here and there live that kind of restrained careful existence. The rest of us, if we are truely honest, care only about the price of fuel and not whether to use it or not. Very rarely do I here debates about how to use less energy, how to save, or store it on a personal level. Essentially how to, dare i say it, consume less.
I think as far as God is concerned the peak of the oil supply curve may not have been reached but the peak of the ME ME ME curve is about to head down hill fast.
3. My advice is, hold tight, we are in for a bumpy ride as the ME ME ME people don't like change, even when it is there own greed that creates the future. And there lies the key greed will save many of us from our own folly. Oil is precious and as I have read a number of times, turning it into CO2 is likely to cost us our future, our environment, and possibly our whole planet, so if more catagory 5 storms emerge, or china's enormous stockpile of oil grows further, or more oil related things just go wrong, then have faith that Heaven is colectively trying to save our worthless butts and to educate us at the same time.
When man stepped out of the primordial ooze he discovered fire, Natures biggest issue with us is whether we can put asside our obsession with it.
Thankyou, Dreamwizard
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Even if global warming didn't exist one can contrast the behaviour of China and the U.S. China is taking a longer term view, making deals and investing in oil production areas around the world, with a view to ensuring supplies for the future. In contast the U.S. has invaded Iraq using an obviously false pretext, is threatening Iran, and tried unsucessfully to foster a coup in Venezuela
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Posted by: yeimaya on Apr 4, 2005 7:03 AM
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It would really help me if your articles focused as much time on what is being done to create hope (even if only a glimmer) as they do on dour circumstances that are so so clear to most of us already.
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Posted by: jhenn on Apr 4, 2005 7:20 AM
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For my part, I just got a Jetta Diesel that gets about 45mpg and runs on biodiesel. And I am planning to make my own biodiesel.
Biodiesel is made from methanol and vegetable oil, so it is completely renewable and supports US agriculture. And any modern diesel engine will happily sip its veggies!
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Posted by: rjp on Apr 4, 2005 7:36 AM
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As the article above points out, slowing demand growth is the most critical factor. Personal life-style changes are honorable, but insufficient, especially with the Bushies denial-based energy policies. (They just cut rewewable energy R&D by $48 million and increased the war budget by 48 billion.)
What's the solution? I don't know. I've been in a funk since November 3. I fear that it will take a climate catastrophe to get this country (and much of the rest of the world) to take these matters seriously. But even then, chan
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Posted by: Dori on Apr 4, 2005 7:56 AM
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If members of Congress know about Hubbert's research why have they not taken immediate emergency measures to stop the trend in the automotive industry toward gas guzzling SUV's and the even worse Humvee?
One reason for squelching the facts is that discussion would develop about the end game oil strategies. Americans might then realize the danger of having oil executives in charge of foreign and military policies.
linked text=Condoleezza Rice>
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Posted by: Virgilioperez on Apr 4, 2005 7:59 AM
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a) Take mass transit, if available in your area....particularly for long commutes.
b)Use Hybrid cars (many models are available now, including SUV´s).....an added bonus is that they are fun to drive
c) Bicycle riding is a lot of fun...great exercise.
Here in Atlanta, the city that has the 5th worst traffic congestion in the US, there is ample opportunity to do all of these three activities...and yet we still see too few people helping out.....We can complain and leave it at that or we can do something small, it may seem, but as explained in the book "the tipping point"....seemingly insiginificant events can help create a massive wave....towards less dependence on oil
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Posted by: nakis on Apr 4, 2005 8:55 AM
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But it will mean nothing without election reform and media reform. Far too many people are clueless and careless. Bush and several automakers are suing California to repeal their new law mandating cleaner vehicles.
Frankly, even if Kerry did win over the neocon cheating and lies he still wouldn't have done what we need to have done.
I have to echo what's been said already here, it's up to the people.
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Posted by: BearDawg on Apr 4, 2005 9:00 AM
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this whole senario reminds me of december 31, 1999 when there were thousands of idiots in line at walmart wanting to buy bottled water before the y2k disaster came upon us. true, y2k disaster never happened, but people didn't pay any attention to it until the very last minute. let's you and i be more attentive.
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Posted by: Aroux on Apr 4, 2005 9:04 AM
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That is, the complexity of our problems requires emergent innovation. That requires a critical mass of interaction, feedback, and pattern recognition. Without combining the left and right, these conditions remain unmet.
There are two options for how change will come. The most probable is that a terrible event will leave us unable to remember who supported big business and who didn't. The other, much less likely, is that we on the left could overcome our fear and anger, justified as it is, and birth a movement to bring both sides together to respectfully listen to each other.
Since I see the left as equally self righteous as the right, the crisis scenario seems more likely. Therefore, I long for the collapse of oil. The longer it takes to arrive, the mo
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Posted by: thehousedog on Apr 4, 2005 10:17 AM
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See, religion, oil and politics are all connected and that is why nothing will be done by our government, big business or the majority of Americans who "know" that prosperity, cheap oil (ANWR not withstanding) and heaven are just around the corner.
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Posted by: gherron on Apr 4, 2005 10:21 AM
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“The direct cost per kilowatt-hour of power generated by winds of at least 14 miles per hour is 2.9 to 3.9 cents, according to a 2001 article in Science by Jacobson and Gilbert Masters, an emeritus professor (teaching) of civil and environmental engineering. That cost competes with that of power produced at new plants utilizing coal (3.5 to 4 cents) or natural gas (3.3 to 3.6 cents). Mighty winds might breathe clean, renewable power into the grid, which in 1999 relied on coal (51 percent) and natural gas (15 percent) to generate 66 percent of U.S. electric power.”
The rest of my rather informative comment had to be edited out f
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Posted by: socrates2 on Apr 4, 2005 11:53 AM
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I can only assume that everyone who posted these thoughtful comments has done two things recently:a) written a column to their local paper highlighting this crisis and alternatives to the fossil-fuel addicted lifestyle.
b) voted/campaigned for a statesman who believes that the oil industry's days of influence in our culture are numbered.
This is a democracy and the First Amendment is _still_ our weapon of choice.
Otherwise, guys, we are preaching to the choir and spinning our wheels...
Keep it up.
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Posted by: Kanefire on Apr 4, 2005 12:38 PM
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by Jeremy Rifkin
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Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil --
by Catherine Austin Fitts (Foreword), Michael C. Ruppert ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------
The first gives an idea of what we could do and the second gives an idea of why we aren't.
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Posted by: tscox on Apr 4, 2005 2:14 PM
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Scientific American
where Matthew Wald argues that to curb global warming, we're better off using hydrogen in stationary settings, where it can displace coal, instead of oil. And even if we erected vast square miles worth of solar arrays to generate hydrogen to run cars, we'd have to run them on something. Just to meet the US annual paving needs with renewable biological products instead of petroleum would require one-third of out entire forest growth every year. The automobile economy just isn't supportable.
Stan Cox
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Posted by: billschwalb on Apr 4, 2005 3:16 PM
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They need to be called on it!
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Posted by: floopmeister on Apr 4, 2005 4:20 PM
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It think it's a mistake to assume that nothing can be done if the US doesn't do it first - the rest of the world is quietly sidelining the US in many areas because, after the last election, there's no other choice.
Russia is discussing selling its oil in Euros, as is Venezuela (and that country is planning to sell what it used to sell to the US to China). Canada is negotiating with China to build a pipeline to the west and sell up to a third of their
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Posted by: floopmeister on Apr 4, 2005 4:21 PM
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China and India has stitched up the oil and gas reserves of Iran, along with the Europeans. Using the Euro as a second oil currency spells the end of the party for the US dollar - it is not coincidental that Iraq was the first country to start selling oil in Euros.
Guys - I hope the progressive voice in the US can help to change your country for the better. But don't make the mistake of thinking that's the only hope for the world. It's not - other countries are neither helpless nor passive in this situation. We are moving into a multipolar world, and the decline of the US is becoming more accepted and studied.
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Posted by: flashfast on Apr 4, 2005 4:30 PM
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Vast oil deposits have been discovered in Australia, capped, buried and marked on a map. Before howling your cries of impossible let me tell you my story, and then make up your own mind.
Oil In Australia?
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Posted by: peter on Apr 4, 2005 7:00 PM
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Solution: You may not like it!
1. Nuclear ( 3000 years with a breeder , 300 without )
2. Coal (200 year supply )
3. massive conservation
4. Less cars and trucks, more rail
5. Wind and solar only about 20 %
6. Magic should take us the rest of the way.
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Posted by: kattmann on Apr 4, 2005 7:45 PM
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Lets see ads for wind,solar systems on tv during prime time. If we can send solar powered machines to mars and have them last twice as long as they were designed, we can put solar panels on 75% of American homes for the same price. Get the oil companies out of position of control over these alt energy supplies, such as writing the regulations.
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Posted by: philonthehill on Apr 5, 2005 3:34 AM
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Posted by: geranium on Apr 5, 2005 10:36 AM
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The need to decrease general consumption drastically is obvious. But most oil consumption happens pre-consumer: in making plastics, in transporting goods, in military efforts. I don't think all that infrastructure is going to change until it absolutely has no choice. As for what you and I can do, we can decrease our need for infrastructure itself. Those who are already cultivating their own energy, food and/or transportation needs are already doing this.
If we lessen our demand on the environment (by consuming less and using less wasteful methods in general) and focus on growing things like hemp that were tried and true in older land-based cultures, wouldn't that give us a distinct advantage in um, sustaining our existence? Not that you can convince the apocalyptic nut jobs who populate much of the u.s. to think in these terms, but I don't exactly mind of they don't make it into the post-oil era with us.
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Posted by: floopmeister on Apr 5, 2005 4:32 PM
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We also have refused to sign the Kyoto agreement along with you guys.
However, there is a lot of alternative stuff happening, particularly with solar. Let's face it - this country is primarily a continent-sized flat hot plate...
The other interesting fact I found out recently is that the most car obsessed country in the world is New Zealand - according to a global poll. Went there a few weeks ago on holiday and the traffic jams in Auckland are insane. Bugger all public transport.
Probably one of the few areas in which the Kiwis are not miles ahead of everyone else...
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Posted by: jearls on Apr 5, 2005 4:49 PM
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analysts have pointed out that retirement fund insurers and other unlikelies are now investing in oil shares as a "sure thing", and these investments can only increase as the prices rise.
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Posted by: maclean on Apr 9, 2005 2:08 PM
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According to geologists, we have consumed about half of the oil the Earth has to offer thus far. Even if we stopped consuming oil "cold turkey" we would see our habbit's lasting effects for decades to come. Instead, we will probably end up burning most of the fossil fuels that lie hidden in the Earth before the end of the century (ie. at an excellerated rate). God only knows what permanent effects this will have on the environment, and whether it will constitute a hospitable environment for life or civilisation as we know it.
It sounds pessimistic, I know, but i don't hear much reverberation in the realm of daily life to convince me that the fog of oil addiction is being cleared away. Where is the mainstream environmental movement? It's late. It has been kidnapped. My guess is that a massive response will only follow serious hardship, or the leadership of an empassioned visionary who might stir us out of the complacency of habbit. Are there any likely candidates?
Those who have converted to a renewable energy lifestyle will enjoy the fruits of their own wisdom and foresight, but unless their practices catch on with the rest of the consuming world, they will be affected also. Climate change knows no boundaries, and does not discriminate.
Meanwhile most of us enjoy the peak of abundant energy. Soon the party will be over, and our children will have to clean up after us.
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Posted by: pattiz1122 on Apr 10, 2005 10:42 AM
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Dear Mike,
The following is a copy of an email that I have sent to some of my friends today. I also sent it to Senator Kerry, the "stupid white men" of the DNC, as well as other senators and congressmen in my state of California. Please let me know if you can help me disseminate this information.
Thank you,
Patti Zahn
CALL TO ACTION
ps: this topic is very important to me, so I'm asking anyone who wants too help me send a world wide internet address regarding the PRICE of OIL, thus GAS, which willl in turn raise the prices of ALL GOODS and SERVICES for people of ALL incomes around the world. I"M PISSED!! Let's call for a WORLD WIDE WORK STOPPAGE, let's call it an "ENERGY DAY", then maybe the PRICE of our GAS will go down.. As long as we continue to pay these outrageous prices the PRICE OF OIL will continue to RISE. Who benefits from this? The Bush Family, Bin Laden Family, The Saudi's , do I need to go any further. Did your WAGES increase by 25% over the past two weeks? Well neither did mine. PLEASE FELLOW AMERICANS AND GLOBAL COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD. SAY NO TO THE PRICE OF OIL.
HAVE MONDAY'S OF EVERY WEEK STARTING MONDAY, APRIL 12, 2005, SET FORTH AS "ENERGY DAY", DON'T GO TO WORK, DON'T DRIVE AND DON'T BUY GAS ON MONDAY'S, until the PRICE of OIL is cut back worldwide.
MAKE A STATEMENT
CANCEL YOUR SUMMER VACATION PLANS NOW
CALL YOUR AIRLINE
HOTELS
CAR RENTAL AGENCIES
JUST SAY NO!!!
WE ARE ALL BEING SCREWED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION. STAND UP AND SAY "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I WON'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!"
Please send this email to all of your friends, business acquaintances, family, and neighbors. WE OUTNUMBER THEM. There are approximately 99% of US and only 1% of THEM.
Respectfully
Patti,
pzahn1122@charter.net
FORWARD THIS TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN/WOMAN AND SENATOR'S.
just copy and paste
Respectfully,
Patti Zahn
pzahn1122@charter.net
Respectfully,
Patti Zahn
pzahn1122@charter.net
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Posted by: Jon Koppenhoefer on Apr 25, 2005 6:14 PM
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Assuming Hubbert's Peak arrives soon--and I believe it will--what is being done to provide for the continued production of these commodities, assuming they are valuable or even necessary?
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Posted by: dreamwizard on Sep 14, 2005 7:57 PM
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1. In the western world up to 75% of the price of fuel is tax. While your governments face is concerned and careing it is secretly lapping up the bugetary surplass. Think of it as a tax increase.This is the Governmental ME ME ME effect, wherebye, low and behold, money is the key incentive. The quickest way to cut the cost of fuel is to cut the tax associated with it. Given an unexpected 25-35% hike in oil prices then the tax contribution should be able to be cut by a similar ammount without effecting the chancellors predictions over the current financial year. You might note that no matter which political party you have voted for in your individual countries, not one of them has made this sacrifice. Hmm
2. While we jump up and down protesting the excesive greed of a few men, how many of us are looking at the realities of the situation and taking steps to aleviate the strain on the worlds natural resourses. A few thousand greeneys here and there live that kind of restrained careful existence. The rest of us, if we are truely honest, care only about the price of fuel and not whether to use it or not. Very rarely do I here debates about how to use less energy, how to save, or store it on a personal level. Essentially how to, dare i say it, consume less.
I think as far as God is concerned the peak of the oil supply curve may not have been reached but the peak of the ME ME ME curve is about to head down hill fast.
3. My advice is, hold tight, we are in for a bumpy ride as the ME ME ME people don't like change, even when it is there own greed that creates the future. And there lies the key greed will save many of us from our own folly. Oil is precious and as I have read a number of times, turning it into CO2 is likely to cost us our future, our environment, and possibly our whole planet, so if more catagory 5 storms emerge, or china's enormous stockpile of oil grows further, or more oil related things just go wrong, then have faith that Heaven is colectively trying to save our worthless butts and to educate us at the same time.
When man stepped out of the primordial ooze he discovered fire, Natures biggest issue with us is whether we can put asside our obsession with it.
Thankyou, Dreamwizard
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